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Riddellwhiprush: I'm not afraid I just can't be bothered to dig out the e-mail addres so far, you need a web form toot sweet12:02
whiprushRiddell: jdub is the guy with that access.12:02
whiprushalso, you can click "contribute" on the left and there's a submission thing12:03
whiprushwhere you can preview, edit, etc. etc.12:03
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Riddellwhiprush: I see no contribute link12:08
whiprushhmm12:08
whiprushRiddell: I think jdub needs to add you or something. 12:09
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Riddelljdub: add me!12:10
Riddellhow do I log in?12:10
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sabdflmpt: ping12:25
sabdflseb128: ping12:25
robitailleRiddell,  jdub needs to create an account for you.  Then you go to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/user12:25
Riddelljdub: poke poke12:26
Keybukwhiprush: jdub is looking for you and is somewhat angry12:27
whiprushKeybuk: about?12:28
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mvosabdfl: you was looking for me earlier?12:32
Riddellmvo: kubuntu-package-manager changed implemented12:32
mvoRiddell: looking at it now12:33
sabdflmvo: yes, i just wanted to close the loop on the UI for turning on the commercial channel in Add Applications12:33
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seb128sabdfl: pong12:34
mvosabdfl: ok, would you like to be more specific in the spec (or change anything)? or change something in it?12:34
sabdflseb128: DapperDesktopPlan is approved, with one outstanding issue12:34
seb128sabdfl: I'll have a look, thanks12:35
sabdflmpt's comment regarding the clickability of the [x]  on the updates notifier alert panel12:38
sabdflwe should consider that, and get mockups12:38
sabdfli'd like it to look classy12:38
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KeybukKinniwinnibums: approved12:51
KinnisonKeybuk: wuv yoo12:52
Keybuk*ELBOW SEX*12:52
Kinnisonyay12:54
mptsabdfl, where should such mockups be posted?12:56
mpton a separate wiki page?12:57
slomolamont, infinity: please remove banshee from dep-wait for amd64... the missing build-dep is no longer needed12:58
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lamontslomo: that's one that _does_ require us.  thanks01:00
slomolamont: hehe np :) you will make Nafallo_away very happy ;)01:02
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mptThey're dropping like flies!01:53
Aegir:o01:56
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siimohi does ubuntu's nautilus / metacity use some sort of patch that speed up nautilus desktop icon behaviour?03:48
siimoi'd like to know how to access the cvs to find this out myself.. 03:50
tsengthere is no cvs03:50
tsengthe source packages are right on the mirrors with everything els03:51
siimooh ok thanks03:51
tsengpackages.ubuntu.com03:51
tsengthis will give you links to the diff.gz for every package03:51
siimothanks i found it :)03:53
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Nafalloinfinity: ping08:21
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MezNafallo, it's 2:23 am here :D08:23
zakamehi all08:23
NafalloMez: baah. you're still online so... ;-)08:24
Nafallomorning zakame 08:24
MezNafallo, for the simple reason I've been in the bar drinking with Daniel Silverstone08:24
zakameafternoone Nafallo :)08:24
Mezeveryone had already gone to bed08:24
NafalloMez: hehe, ETA till infinity/lamont wakes up? :-)08:24
Mez6-7 hours08:25
Mezmost ppl are meeting for breakfast in about 608:25
Mezso give it an hour and ahalf after that08:25
Mezand bingo08:25
Mezbobs your uncle08:25
Mezanyways,08:25
Meznight all08:25
Nafallooki, so that makes it 15-16 sometime local ;-)08:25
NafalloMez: gnight dude, and thanks :-)08:25
zakamenight Mez :)08:26
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SuperLagtseng: you around?09:01
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zygamorning10:19
zygahas anyone seen ogra?10:22
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shutdownrunnerI'm looking for sb, who could devote 2 minutes to me and help me make a deb package of screem. I mean I have problem with the last stage namely dpkg-buildpackage.11:09
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HiddenWolfshutdownrunner, your best bet is #ubuntu-motu. this is for main development.11:11
shutdownrunnercze marcin11:11
shutdownrunneraha. thanks HiddenWolf11:12
marcinshutdownrunner: hej.. niestety zaraz znikam - chcialem posiedziec na ircu ale rodzina nie pozwala :|11:15
marcinshutdownrunner: I hope that you understand Polish - more than 'cze' ;)11:15
shutdownrunnerjestem z Wawy:)11:16
marcinshutdownrunner: aaa no to wiele wyjania ;)11:16
marcinshutdownrunner: see you11:16
HiddenWolfshutdownrunner, please keep it in english, thanks.11:17
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pefhello11:20
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N6REJhow do I find out how to package and submit a widget for possible inclussion?12:17
N6REJanyone?12:19
mdkehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources is a good start12:20
N6REJok, ty!12:20
N6REJits nothing fancy but someone besides me might like it.12:20
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dunkelgeistany translator in here?12:34
melodiehello :)12:34
dunkelgeisthi12:34
dunkelgeisti'm trying to find some help to make a translation of ubuntu12:34
dunkelgeisti want to translate it to a language that doesn't appear in the rosetta list12:35
dunkelgeistand don't know how to add it to start doing something12:35
melodiedoes someone know how come the 2.6.12-9-k7 kernel in my system, and no kernel-source related on the repositories ? does the 2.6.11_2.6.11-7 stand for it  please ?12:36
Lathiatdunkelgeist: you could file a bug against rosetta12:37
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dunkelgeisteeem...12:37
dunkelgeistsorry i don't understand you12:37
dunkelgeistmy english is a little poor...12:37
Lathiatmelodie: thats a #ubuntu question, thsi channel is for development, but fyi the package is linux-source not kernel-source12:37
Lathiatdunkelgeist: hold a second12:38
dunkelgeistok, thx12:38
melodieok Lathiat thank you12:38
Lathiatdunkelgeist: im not sur if it sthe right thing to do, but if you goto https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bugs you can report a bug on rosetta that it should let you translate in your language12:40
dunkelgeisthmmm12:40
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dunkelgeistso in that list there are meant to be all the languages that exist?12:40
Lathiatdunkelgeist: i dont know, probably not12:41
Lathiatdunkelgeist: what language?12:41
dunkelgeisttamazigh12:41
dunkelgeistits the language that people from the riff (north africa) used to speak12:41
dunkelgeistnow it's prohibited by the moroccan king12:42
dunkelgeistbut it exists12:42
dunkelgeistand a lot of people speaks it12:42
melodieLathiat, excuse me, on the forums no-one seems to know the difference within linux-sources and kernel-sources: is there a difference that can be observed ? :)12:43
dunkelgeistin rosetta there is tamashek, that is the language of the tuareg people, very similar but not the same12:43
Lathiatmelodie: just a different name thats more specific12:45
Lathiatdunkelgeist: well, only thing I can say is file a bug and someone who knows what to do shoudl be able to help12:46
dunkelgeistthx Lathiat12:46
melodieLathiat, this gui on #ubuntu says : " i suppose linux-sources are the sources for the whole distro, while kernel-sources are the sources just for the kernel"12:46
dunkelgeisti'll do it right now12:46
Lathiatmelodie: can we move this to #ubuntu please, i will join there12:46
melodieLathiat, with pleasure, thanks :)12:47
dunkelgeistok, that's it, now i just have to wait i suppose12:51
Lathiatdunkelgeist: yep, you should get email when the bug is changed12:54
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jsgotangcohey zakame 01:29
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zakameheya01:40
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HiddenWolfjbailey, ping01:56
tsengSuperLag: yes01:58
jsgotangcoheya tseng 01:59
tsenghi jerome01:59
jsgotangconice weekend to you :)02:02
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Lathiathrm, since breezy-backports is listed in the default sources.list , can w eat least get a blank archive created or something  02:21
mdkeheh02:21
mdkeso many people have been saying that for so long, my hope is gone02:21
mdkeit's a pretty large bug though02:22
Lathiatelmo: about?02:22
Lathiatmm i'll email02:22
jbaileyHiddenWolf: pong, but only here for 2 or 3 minutes.02:22
HiddenWolfjbailey, what's up with that lsb compliance spec02:27
HiddenWolf"we won't comply?"02:28
HiddenWolfor "let's comply, it's easy, but useless save for PR"02:28
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MezIf I see elmo at breakfast I'll poke him02:30
Lathiatokw02:31
Lathiatell i emailed him02:31
jbaileyHiddenWolf: Mostly a cross between the two.02:32
HiddenWolfjbailey, so why is it even a spec? :)02:33
jbaileyHiddenWolf: It ought to be easy to comply.  It looks like we might be compliant, but we shouldn't care enough to fix it if we're not.02:33
jbaileyHiddenWolf: Ask whoever created it.  I was merely assigned to it, and that spec is the result of the bof.02:34
jbaileySometimes the answer to a bof is "don't do this"02:34
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jbaileyHere's the basic problem I had:02:35
jbaileyThe testsuite is horribly broken.02:35
jbaileyThere are a pile of errata against it.02:35
jbaileyBut the fact that the testsuite is that broken implies a few things:02:35
jbailey1) They didn't actually *test* the testsuite.02:35
jbailey2) Some people have probably certified against the broken testsuite.02:35
jbaileySo therefore certification against it is probably meaningless anyway.02:36
Lathiatlsb testsuite?02:36
jbaileyYeah.02:36
Lathiatrighto02:36
Lathiatjust try to comply with LSB as best as possible wthout using the crappy test suite? :)02:36
Lathiatseems silly to have a crap test suite02:37
jbaileyLathiat: We likely already *do* comply with what they intend, given the versions of software we have on the system.02:37
Lathiatme nods02:37
Lathiatwith a / in there02:37
jbaileyLathiat: So compliance becomes a side effect.  Certification would be interesting, but not worth committing resources to right now.02:38
jsgotangcowow02:38
jsgotangcoi like 1) then02:38
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jbaileyAnything else before I go?02:42
jsgotangcospread love to the world02:43
jbaileyAlways! =)  Peace, friends.02:44
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tsenginfinity: lamont-away please clear dep-wait for galago-sharp03:28
tsenginfinity: lamont-away and banshee03:28
Treenakstseng: good morning03:30
tsengmorning Treenaks 03:30
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Treenakstseng: I _think_ most people are trying to cope with their hangovers 03:31
tsengclever03:31
Mithrandirtseng, treenaks.  :-)03:31
TreenaksMithrandir: GOOD MORNING03:32
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Treenakshis03:33
Treenaksbut only 14kb/s up03:33
Treenaksso no go for my UBZ-gallery yet03:33
ajmitchhi03:37
Mithrandiranybody know if (and if so, how) I can get python to not save the byte-compiled file on disk?03:38
TreenaksMithrandir: it only does that for included files by default right?03:39
Mithrandiryes03:39
Mithrandirwell, imported.03:39
Treenaksyeah.. I'm using C-sp33k03:39
MithrandirI could possibly work around it by copying the file to a memfile and run execfile on that.03:39
TreenaksI've seen people do all kinds of tricks for this03:40
Treenaksbut there must be a simple command line option or something similar03:40
Mithrandiryou would think so03:42
TreenaksMithrandir: make the directory non-writable ;)03:45
MithrandirTreenaks: not an option, really.03:45
MithrandirI'm pondering just looking at the python source03:45
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HiddenWolfSome weekly bug summary info for bugzilla.gnome.org. Last updated: Sun Nov 6 15:00:22 UTC 2005.04:03
HiddenWolfTotal Reports: 18620 (605 reports opened and 395 reports closed in the last 7 days.04:03
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HiddenWolfyouch04:03
Treenakstijd voor werk ;)04:11
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HiddenWolfTreenaks, LANGUAGE. ;)04:21
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kikidonkis dapper drake going to break severly during the devel stage, like breezy did, or is it "safe" to use dapper ?05:07
Lathiatit will probably break to varyign degrees during the cycle, its by no means safe05:07
kikidonkwell i understand the risks05:10
kikidonkbut breezy did some nasty things with Xserver for example05:10
kikidonkLathiat: are you running dapper drake for example :)05:11
tsengI am05:11
kikidonkand ?05:11
Lathiatkikidonk: yes and it broke my kde, so yeh :)05:11
kikidonklol05:11
tsengLathiat: oh man. i tried kde, it was so broken that it broke gnome05:11
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tsengit did some crazy evil stuff to my gnome theme settings05:11
kikidonkok, so it's generally broken :)05:11
Lathiattseng: heh05:11
tsengno.. just kde :)05:12
Lathiatit does have some gtk compat thing05:12
kikidonkoh !05:12
Lathiatto make the theme the same05:12
Lathiatno idea what it does exactl05:12
kikidonkkde is broken anyway :P05:12
tsengyeah it went nuts05:12
Lathiatwoo kde05:12
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kikidonki'm really wanting to give it a try05:12
kikidonkbut i'm afraid :)05:12
tsengkikidonk: gnome stuff works great05:12
kikidonkthere is no easy way back, i suppose05:12
tsenghm05:14
tsengPlaces -> Search for Files should be beagle --no-tray in dapper+105:14
tsengs/beagle/best05:14
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zygacarlos: hello05:21
zygacarlos: I had some good results and some bad experiences with .desktop files 05:21
pittizyga: looking forward to hear about them :-)05:22
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zygapitti: short we can give it a go :)05:22
zygaI've patched most of default install to include correct domains05:22
zygas/pachages/packages/05:23
zygapitti: if you see ogra around bash him for hwdb-client without i18n ;-)05:24
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zygatseng: do you know beagle well?05:32
hileFYI, first somehow working version of initramfs-cryptsetup for dapper (additional hook package to support cryptsetup encrypted root filesystem on dapper) http://ner.dy.fi/deb/05:37
hilejust a tiny script ... WorksForMe(tm) ;)05:38
dilingerhile: i'll give you a cookie if you can get it to allow filesystems to not automatically be mounted, but instead have mount prompt for a password when manually mounting it05:38
dilingerone of my pet peeves wrt the cryptsetup stuff that's in sarge05:38
hilewell, that's completely different thing, this is only for root filesystem ....05:40
dilingerah, ok05:41
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hilebut yeah, I'd like to have at least LUKS detection and passphrase questions directly in mount/umount (detach the dm-crypt volume when umounted as well)05:42
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hileso, with LUKS-partition, you could just say mount /dev/hda9 /foobar and it would detect encryption etc.05:43
hilesomeone is working on a patch, no idea about the status of these patches05:43
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infinityhile : Please file bugs in either the Debian BTS, the Ubuntu bugzilla, or both, so I can track the patches.05:52
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johannesdoes anyone know if the alsa-driver/libs in the repos. were compiled with pcm.jack support? im trying to get alsa apps to use jackd by default by configuring /etc/asound.conf, according to: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Jack#Configuring_software_to_use_JACK05:53
hileinfinity: it's not a patch, it's new package05:54
hilethere are already a couple of bugs for this in ubuntu bts05:54
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slomo_is someone with a G3 here?05:56
vuntzcarlos: ping?05:58
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hileubuntu bugzilla #15662 at leest was one of the bugs ...05:58
carlosvuntz, pong05:58
vuntzcarlos: I'm looking for your instructions to vote in the referendum. Do not leave :-)05:59
carlosvuntz, cool, thank you!05:59
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vuntzcarlos: see /query06:02
tsengzyga: yes i "know" beagle06:07
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zygatseng: is it possible that beagle deletes something in $HOME ?06:13
tsengzyga: anythings possible, but i doubt that06:14
zygatseng: I've installed beagle and all of a sudden I've lost all evolution emails and epiphany bookmarks 06:14
zygaand yes, both directories have been purged06:14
tsengi dont even recall it doing anything with epiphany bookmarks06:14
tsengabove and beyond parsing plain text06:14
tsengit does everything with evolution via libevolution-cil06:15
zygaI was playing with varios command line beagle stuff to find configuration06:15
tsengand im not sure it even *looks* at any dotfiles06:15
zygathen I'm out of ideas06:15
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msg43Hi06:37
dtfIs dapper ready for firefox 1.5rc1? I've been hacking on the debian package in exp this weekend.06:37
msg43I was wondering how you guys hacked the gnome shutdown menu.06:37
pittidtf: Diziet|ubz did a fair amount of hacking on it already06:40
dtfpitti: is there a package any where?06:41
pittinot a public one yet06:41
dtfI've got a working .deb and I am add branding and patches now06:42
KamionJTE rocks; I just built a full breezy install CD set with source CDs and jigdo files in 15 minutes, as opposed to the hour or so it used to take06:43
pittiwow06:44
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pittidholbach!06:46
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msg43I was wondering how you guys hacked the gnome shutdown menu?06:50
seb128with emacs06:50
pittiVIM RULEZ06:50
carlosseb128, you don't have enough fingers to use emacs!06:51
pittimsg43: (just don't expect serious answers after a long party night after a long work week at UBZ :-) )06:51
msg43pitti, I'd really like to know06:52
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pittimsg43: we added a patch to support powermanagement-interface06:52
seb128msg43: the question is not clear enough06:52
msg43pitti, were can I find this patch? I use another distro than ubuntu06:53
highvoltageseb128: good answer (emacs) ;)06:53
seb128msg43: basically gdm is patched to use pmi and gnome-session to speak to gdmflexiserver to get the capability from pmi06:53
msg43oh06:53
seb128msg43: that's quite ubuntu specific06:53
msg43so its not easy06:53
msg43dam06:53
seb128msg43: pmi is an ubuntu hack for power management06:53
msg43I got a script to suspend my system06:53
seb128msg43: no, not trivial06:53
pittipmi isn't particularly scary06:53
pittijust a shallow shell script for different arches06:54
msg43oh I see06:54
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msg43I really like ubuntu because it a great easy linux system06:54
msg43I would use it if there was no such thing as archlinux06:54
seb128msg43: is that a "build from source" distro,06:56
seb128?06:56
msg43seb128, no I hate build from source distros. Archlinux is a bit like slackware and a bit like gentoo. It uses a package management system called pacman which as similarites to apt-get.06:58
msg43When you install arch it install the basics, then you have to configure your fstab and that stuff06:58
seb128yeah, but like slackware and gentoo you need to build your packages06:58
msg43then you just do pacman -S package06:58
msg43seb128, yeah thats true06:58
msg43with arch you don't06:59
msg43and arch uses what is called "rolling updates"06:59
msg43thus you never had to reinstall to upgrade your system06:59
seb128k06:59
seb128anyway I've to go for now06:59
seb128bbl06:59
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opiHi there, any Ruby/Ubuntu hacker around? I just noticed that standard Ruby build on Breezy is missing mkmf.rb, and thus I can't configure/gem any new packages07:11
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opiOK, fixed it ;)07:16
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gordoho07:22
gordohi*07:22
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pittiHi sabdfl! Alive again? :-)07:57
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zygajust for the record, I don't know what has happened in the last 5 hours but after installing beagle I've lost: my mail, my contacts *AND* my gpg personality... 08:14
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johannesdoes somebody know if the alsa-drivers/libs in the repos. were compiled with jack pcm support? i'm trying to configure asound to use jack by default, so that all alsa apps can use jack. or is this possible? it seems to be in Gentoo at least: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Jack#Configuring_software_to_use_JACK10:20
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kentjohannes: Since you are a swede - you are more than welcome to join us in #ubuntu.se  - we cant help you but we take pride in huge idle-time and OT-talks.  :)10:25
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kikidonktseng: jumping in dapper right now, hoping that everything keeps working :)11:58
tsengnice11:58
kikidonkfear, fear11:58
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Treenaks(day 1)11:59
Treenaksover the next few weeks, I'll do videos as well :)11:59

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