[12:02] <Riddell> whiprush: I'm not afraid I just can't be bothered to dig out the e-mail addres so far, you need a web form toot sweet
[12:02] <whiprush> Riddell: jdub is the guy with that access.
[12:03] <whiprush> also, you can click "contribute" on the left and there's a submission thing
[12:03] <whiprush> where you can preview, edit, etc. etc.
[12:08] <Riddell> whiprush: I see no contribute link
[12:08] <whiprush> hmm
[12:09] <whiprush> Riddell: I think jdub needs to add you or something. 
[12:10] <Riddell> jdub: add me!
[12:10] <Riddell> how do I log in?
[12:25] <sabdfl> mpt: ping
[12:25] <sabdfl> seb128: ping
[12:25] <robitaille> Riddell,  jdub needs to create an account for you.  Then you go to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/user
[12:26] <Riddell> jdub: poke poke
[12:27] <Keybuk> whiprush: jdub is looking for you and is somewhat angry
[12:28] <whiprush> Keybuk: about?
[12:32] <mvo> sabdfl: you was looking for me earlier?
[12:32] <Riddell> mvo: kubuntu-package-manager changed implemented
[12:33] <mvo> Riddell: looking at it now
[12:33] <sabdfl> mvo: yes, i just wanted to close the loop on the UI for turning on the commercial channel in Add Applications
[12:34] <seb128> sabdfl: pong
[12:34] <mvo> sabdfl: ok, would you like to be more specific in the spec (or change anything)? or change something in it?
[12:34] <sabdfl> seb128: DapperDesktopPlan is approved, with one outstanding issue
[12:35] <seb128> sabdfl: I'll have a look, thanks
[12:38] <sabdfl> mpt's comment regarding the clickability of the [x]  on the updates notifier alert panel
[12:38] <sabdfl> we should consider that, and get mockups
[12:38] <sabdfl> i'd like it to look classy
[12:51] <Keybuk> Kinniwinnibums: approved
[12:52] <Kinnison> Keybuk: wuv yoo
[12:52] <Keybuk> *ELBOW SEX*
[12:54] <Kinnison> yay
[12:56] <mpt> sabdfl, where should such mockups be posted?
[12:57] <mpt> on a separate wiki page?
[12:58] <slomo> lamont, infinity: please remove banshee from dep-wait for amd64... the missing build-dep is no longer needed
[01:00] <lamont> slomo: that's one that _does_ require us.  thanks
[01:02] <slomo> lamont: hehe np :) you will make Nafallo_away very happy ;)
[01:53] <mpt> They're dropping like flies!
[01:56] <Aegir> :o
[03:48] <siimo> hi does ubuntu's nautilus / metacity use some sort of patch that speed up nautilus desktop icon behaviour?
[03:50] <siimo> i'd like to know how to access the cvs to find this out myself.. 
[03:50] <tseng> there is no cvs
[03:51] <tseng> the source packages are right on the mirrors with everything els
[03:51] <siimo> oh ok thanks
[03:51] <tseng> packages.ubuntu.com
[03:51] <tseng> this will give you links to the diff.gz for every package
[03:53] <siimo> thanks i found it :)
[08:21] <Nafallo> infinity: ping
[08:23] <Mez> Nafallo, it's 2:23 am here :D
[08:23] <zakame> hi all
[08:24] <Nafallo> Mez: baah. you're still online so... ;-)
[08:24] <Nafallo> morning zakame 
[08:24] <Mez> Nafallo, for the simple reason I've been in the bar drinking with Daniel Silverstone
[08:24] <zakame> afternoone Nafallo :)
[08:24] <Mez> everyone had already gone to bed
[08:24] <Nafallo> Mez: hehe, ETA till infinity/lamont wakes up? :-)
[08:25] <Mez> 6-7 hours
[08:25] <Mez> most ppl are meeting for breakfast in about 6
[08:25] <Mez> so give it an hour and ahalf after that
[08:25] <Mez> and bingo
[08:25] <Mez> bobs your uncle
[08:25] <Mez> anyways,
[08:25] <Mez> night all
[08:25] <Nafallo> oki, so that makes it 15-16 sometime local ;-)
[08:25] <Nafallo> Mez: gnight dude, and thanks :-)
[08:26] <zakame> night Mez :)
[09:01] <SuperLag> tseng: you around?
[10:19] <zyga> morning
[10:22] <zyga> has anyone seen ogra?
[11:09] <shutdownrunner> I'm looking for sb, who could devote 2 minutes to me and help me make a deb package of screem. I mean I have problem with the last stage namely dpkg-buildpackage.
[11:11] <HiddenWolf> shutdownrunner, your best bet is #ubuntu-motu. this is for main development.
[11:11] <shutdownrunner> cze marcin
[11:12] <shutdownrunner> aha. thanks HiddenWolf
[11:15] <marcin> shutdownrunner: hej.. niestety zaraz znikam - chcialem posiedziec na ircu ale rodzina nie pozwala :|
[11:15] <marcin> shutdownrunner: I hope that you understand Polish - more than 'cze' ;)
[11:16] <shutdownrunner> jestem z Wawy:)
[11:16] <marcin> shutdownrunner: aaa no to wiele wyjania ;)
[11:16] <marcin> shutdownrunner: see you
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> shutdownrunner, please keep it in english, thanks.
[11:20] <pef> hello
[12:17] <N6REJ> how do I find out how to package and submit a widget for possible inclussion?
[12:19] <N6REJ> anyone?
[12:20] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources is a good start
[12:20] <N6REJ> ok, ty!
[12:20] <N6REJ> its nothing fancy but someone besides me might like it.
[12:34] <dunkelgeist> any translator in here?
[12:34] <melodie> hello :)
[12:34] <dunkelgeist> hi
[12:34] <dunkelgeist> i'm trying to find some help to make a translation of ubuntu
[12:35] <dunkelgeist> i want to translate it to a language that doesn't appear in the rosetta list
[12:35] <dunkelgeist> and don't know how to add it to start doing something
[12:36] <melodie> does someone know how come the 2.6.12-9-k7 kernel in my system, and no kernel-source related on the repositories ? does the 2.6.11_2.6.11-7 stand for it  please ?
[12:37] <Lathiat> dunkelgeist: you could file a bug against rosetta
[12:37] <dunkelgeist> eeem...
[12:37] <dunkelgeist> sorry i don't understand you
[12:37] <dunkelgeist> my english is a little poor...
[12:37] <Lathiat> melodie: thats a #ubuntu question, thsi channel is for development, but fyi the package is linux-source not kernel-source
[12:38] <Lathiat> dunkelgeist: hold a second
[12:38] <dunkelgeist> ok, thx
[12:38] <melodie> ok Lathiat thank you
[12:40] <Lathiat> dunkelgeist: im not sur if it sthe right thing to do, but if you goto https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bugs you can report a bug on rosetta that it should let you translate in your language
[12:40] <dunkelgeist> hmmm
[12:40] <dunkelgeist> so in that list there are meant to be all the languages that exist?
[12:41] <Lathiat> dunkelgeist: i dont know, probably not
[12:41] <Lathiat> dunkelgeist: what language?
[12:41] <dunkelgeist> tamazigh
[12:41] <dunkelgeist> its the language that people from the riff (north africa) used to speak
[12:42] <dunkelgeist> now it's prohibited by the moroccan king
[12:42] <dunkelgeist> but it exists
[12:42] <dunkelgeist> and a lot of people speaks it
[12:43] <melodie> Lathiat, excuse me, on the forums no-one seems to know the difference within linux-sources and kernel-sources: is there a difference that can be observed ? :)
[12:43] <dunkelgeist> in rosetta there is tamashek, that is the language of the tuareg people, very similar but not the same
[12:45] <Lathiat> melodie: just a different name thats more specific
[12:46] <Lathiat> dunkelgeist: well, only thing I can say is file a bug and someone who knows what to do shoudl be able to help
[12:46] <dunkelgeist> thx Lathiat
[12:46] <melodie> Lathiat, this gui on #ubuntu says : " i suppose linux-sources are the sources for the whole distro, while kernel-sources are the sources just for the kernel"
[12:46] <dunkelgeist> i'll do it right now
[12:46] <Lathiat> melodie: can we move this to #ubuntu please, i will join there
[12:47] <melodie> Lathiat, with pleasure, thanks :)
[12:51] <dunkelgeist> ok, that's it, now i just have to wait i suppose
[12:54] <Lathiat> dunkelgeist: yep, you should get email when the bug is changed
[01:29] <jsgotangco> hey zakame 
[01:40] <zakame> heya
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> jbailey, ping
[01:58] <tseng> SuperLag: yes
[01:59] <jsgotangco> heya tseng 
[01:59] <tseng> hi jerome
[02:02] <jsgotangco> nice weekend to you :)
[02:21] <Lathiat> hrm, since breezy-backports is listed in the default sources.list , can w eat least get a blank archive created or something  
[02:21] <mdke> heh
[02:21] <mdke> so many people have been saying that for so long, my hope is gone
[02:22] <mdke> it's a pretty large bug though
[02:22] <Lathiat> elmo: about?
[02:22] <Lathiat> mm i'll email
[02:22] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: pong, but only here for 2 or 3 minutes.
[02:27] <HiddenWolf> jbailey, what's up with that lsb compliance spec
[02:28] <HiddenWolf> "we won't comply?"
[02:28] <HiddenWolf> or "let's comply, it's easy, but useless save for PR"
[02:30] <Mez> If I see elmo at breakfast I'll poke him
[02:31] <Lathiat> okw
[02:31] <Lathiat> ell i emailed him
[02:32] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: Mostly a cross between the two.
[02:33] <HiddenWolf> jbailey, so why is it even a spec? :)
[02:33] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: It ought to be easy to comply.  It looks like we might be compliant, but we shouldn't care enough to fix it if we're not.
[02:34] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: Ask whoever created it.  I was merely assigned to it, and that spec is the result of the bof.
[02:34] <jbailey> Sometimes the answer to a bof is "don't do this"
[02:35] <jbailey> Here's the basic problem I had:
[02:35] <jbailey> The testsuite is horribly broken.
[02:35] <jbailey> There are a pile of errata against it.
[02:35] <jbailey> But the fact that the testsuite is that broken implies a few things:
[02:35] <jbailey> 1) They didn't actually *test* the testsuite.
[02:35] <jbailey> 2) Some people have probably certified against the broken testsuite.
[02:36] <jbailey> So therefore certification against it is probably meaningless anyway.
[02:36] <Lathiat> lsb testsuite?
[02:36] <jbailey> Yeah.
[02:36] <Lathiat> righto
[02:36] <Lathiat> just try to comply with LSB as best as possible wthout using the crappy test suite? :)
[02:37] <Lathiat> seems silly to have a crap test suite
[02:37] <jbailey> Lathiat: We likely already *do* comply with what they intend, given the versions of software we have on the system.
[02:37] <Lathiat> me nods
[02:37] <Lathiat> with a / in there
[02:38] <jbailey> Lathiat: So compliance becomes a side effect.  Certification would be interesting, but not worth committing resources to right now.
[02:38] <jsgotangco> wow
[02:38] <jsgotangco> i like 1) then
[02:42] <jbailey> Anything else before I go?
[02:43] <jsgotangco> spread love to the world
[02:44] <jbailey> Always! =)  Peace, friends.
[03:28] <tseng> infinity: lamont-away please clear dep-wait for galago-sharp
[03:28] <tseng> infinity: lamont-away and banshee
[03:30] <Treenaks> tseng: good morning
[03:30] <tseng> morning Treenaks 
[03:31] <Treenaks> tseng: I _think_ most people are trying to cope with their hangovers 
[03:31] <tseng> clever
[03:31] <Mithrandir> tseng, treenaks.  :-)
[03:32] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: GOOD MORNING
[03:33] <Treenaks> his
[03:33] <Treenaks> but only 14kb/s up
[03:33] <Treenaks> so no go for my UBZ-gallery yet
[03:37] <ajmitch> hi
[03:38] <Mithrandir> anybody know if (and if so, how) I can get python to not save the byte-compiled file on disk?
[03:39] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: it only does that for included files by default right?
[03:39] <Mithrandir> yes
[03:39] <Mithrandir> well, imported.
[03:39] <Treenaks> yeah.. I'm using C-sp33k
[03:39] <Mithrandir> I could possibly work around it by copying the file to a memfile and run execfile on that.
[03:40] <Treenaks> I've seen people do all kinds of tricks for this
[03:40] <Treenaks> but there must be a simple command line option or something similar
[03:42] <Mithrandir> you would think so
[03:45] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: make the directory non-writable ;)
[03:45] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: not an option, really.
[03:45] <Mithrandir> I'm pondering just looking at the python source
[04:03] <HiddenWolf> Some weekly bug summary info for bugzilla.gnome.org. Last updated: Sun Nov 6 15:00:22 UTC 2005.
[04:03] <HiddenWolf> Total Reports: 18620 (605 reports opened and 395 reports closed in the last 7 days.
[04:03] <HiddenWolf> youch
[04:11] <Treenaks> tijd voor werk ;)
[04:21] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, LANGUAGE. ;)
[05:07] <kikidonk> is dapper drake going to break severly during the devel stage, like breezy did, or is it "safe" to use dapper ?
[05:07] <Lathiat> it will probably break to varyign degrees during the cycle, its by no means safe
[05:10] <kikidonk> well i understand the risks
[05:10] <kikidonk> but breezy did some nasty things with Xserver for example
[05:11] <kikidonk> Lathiat: are you running dapper drake for example :)
[05:11] <tseng> I am
[05:11] <kikidonk> and ?
[05:11] <Lathiat> kikidonk: yes and it broke my kde, so yeh :)
[05:11] <kikidonk> lol
[05:11] <tseng> Lathiat: oh man. i tried kde, it was so broken that it broke gnome
[05:11] <tseng> it did some crazy evil stuff to my gnome theme settings
[05:11] <kikidonk> ok, so it's generally broken :)
[05:11] <Lathiat> tseng: heh
[05:12] <tseng> no.. just kde :)
[05:12] <Lathiat> it does have some gtk compat thing
[05:12] <kikidonk> oh !
[05:12] <Lathiat> to make the theme the same
[05:12] <Lathiat> no idea what it does exactl
[05:12] <kikidonk> kde is broken anyway :P
[05:12] <tseng> yeah it went nuts
[05:12] <Lathiat> woo kde
[05:12] <kikidonk> i'm really wanting to give it a try
[05:12] <kikidonk> but i'm afraid :)
[05:12] <tseng> kikidonk: gnome stuff works great
[05:12] <kikidonk> there is no easy way back, i suppose
[05:14] <tseng> hm
[05:14] <tseng> Places -> Search for Files should be beagle --no-tray in dapper+1
[05:14] <tseng> s/beagle/best
[05:21] <zyga> carlos: hello
[05:21] <zyga> carlos: I had some good results and some bad experiences with .desktop files 
[05:22] <pitti> zyga: looking forward to hear about them :-)
[05:22] <zyga> pitti: short we can give it a go :)
[05:22] <zyga> I've patched most of default install to include correct domains
[05:23] <zyga> s/pachages/packages/
[05:24] <zyga> pitti: if you see ogra around bash him for hwdb-client without i18n ;-)
[05:32] <zyga> tseng: do you know beagle well?
[05:37] <hile> FYI, first somehow working version of initramfs-cryptsetup for dapper (additional hook package to support cryptsetup encrypted root filesystem on dapper) http://ner.dy.fi/deb/
[05:38] <hile> just a tiny script ... WorksForMe(tm) ;)
[05:38] <dilinger> hile: i'll give you a cookie if you can get it to allow filesystems to not automatically be mounted, but instead have mount prompt for a password when manually mounting it
[05:38] <dilinger> one of my pet peeves wrt the cryptsetup stuff that's in sarge
[05:40] <hile> well, that's completely different thing, this is only for root filesystem ....
[05:41] <dilinger> ah, ok
[05:42] <hile> but yeah, I'd like to have at least LUKS detection and passphrase questions directly in mount/umount (detach the dm-crypt volume when umounted as well)
[05:43] <hile> so, with LUKS-partition, you could just say mount /dev/hda9 /foobar and it would detect encryption etc.
[05:43] <hile> someone is working on a patch, no idea about the status of these patches
[05:52] <infinity> hile : Please file bugs in either the Debian BTS, the Ubuntu bugzilla, or both, so I can track the patches.
[05:53] <johannes> does anyone know if the alsa-driver/libs in the repos. were compiled with pcm.jack support? im trying to get alsa apps to use jackd by default by configuring /etc/asound.conf, according to: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Jack#Configuring_software_to_use_JACK
[05:54] <hile> infinity: it's not a patch, it's new package
[05:54] <hile> there are already a couple of bugs for this in ubuntu bts
[05:56] <slomo_> is someone with a G3 here?
[05:58] <vuntz> carlos: ping?
[05:58] <hile> ubuntu bugzilla #15662 at leest was one of the bugs ...
[05:58] <carlos> vuntz, pong
[05:59] <vuntz> carlos: I'm looking for your instructions to vote in the referendum. Do not leave :-)
[05:59] <carlos> vuntz, cool, thank you!
[06:02] <vuntz> carlos: see /query
[06:07] <tseng> zyga: yes i "know" beagle
[06:13] <zyga> tseng: is it possible that beagle deletes something in $HOME ?
[06:14] <tseng> zyga: anythings possible, but i doubt that
[06:14] <zyga> tseng: I've installed beagle and all of a sudden I've lost all evolution emails and epiphany bookmarks 
[06:14] <zyga> and yes, both directories have been purged
[06:14] <tseng> i dont even recall it doing anything with epiphany bookmarks
[06:14] <tseng> above and beyond parsing plain text
[06:15] <tseng> it does everything with evolution via libevolution-cil
[06:15] <zyga> I was playing with varios command line beagle stuff to find configuration
[06:15] <tseng> and im not sure it even *looks* at any dotfiles
[06:15] <zyga> then I'm out of ideas
[06:37] <msg43> Hi
[06:37] <dtf> Is dapper ready for firefox 1.5rc1? I've been hacking on the debian package in exp this weekend.
[06:37] <msg43> I was wondering how you guys hacked the gnome shutdown menu.
[06:40] <pitti> dtf: Diziet|ubz did a fair amount of hacking on it already
[06:41] <dtf> pitti: is there a package any where?
[06:41] <pitti> not a public one yet
[06:42] <dtf> I've got a working .deb and I am add branding and patches now
[06:43] <Kamion> JTE rocks; I just built a full breezy install CD set with source CDs and jigdo files in 15 minutes, as opposed to the hour or so it used to take
[06:44] <pitti> wow
[06:46] <pitti> dholbach!
[06:50] <msg43> I was wondering how you guys hacked the gnome shutdown menu?
[06:50] <seb128> with emacs
[06:50] <pitti> VIM RULEZ
[06:51] <carlos> seb128, you don't have enough fingers to use emacs!
[06:51] <pitti> msg43: (just don't expect serious answers after a long party night after a long work week at UBZ :-) )
[06:52] <msg43> pitti, I'd really like to know
[06:52] <pitti> msg43: we added a patch to support powermanagement-interface
[06:52] <seb128> msg43: the question is not clear enough
[06:53] <msg43> pitti, were can I find this patch? I use another distro than ubuntu
[06:53] <highvoltage> seb128: good answer (emacs) ;)
[06:53] <seb128> msg43: basically gdm is patched to use pmi and gnome-session to speak to gdmflexiserver to get the capability from pmi
[06:53] <msg43> oh
[06:53] <seb128> msg43: that's quite ubuntu specific
[06:53] <msg43> so its not easy
[06:53] <msg43> dam
[06:53] <seb128> msg43: pmi is an ubuntu hack for power management
[06:53] <msg43> I got a script to suspend my system
[06:53] <seb128> msg43: no, not trivial
[06:53] <pitti> pmi isn't particularly scary
[06:54] <pitti> just a shallow shell script for different arches
[06:54] <msg43> oh I see
[06:54] <msg43> I really like ubuntu because it a great easy linux system
[06:54] <msg43> I would use it if there was no such thing as archlinux
[06:56] <seb128> msg43: is that a "build from source" distro,
[06:56] <seb128> ?
[06:58] <msg43> seb128, no I hate build from source distros. Archlinux is a bit like slackware and a bit like gentoo. It uses a package management system called pacman which as similarites to apt-get.
[06:58] <msg43> When you install arch it install the basics, then you have to configure your fstab and that stuff
[06:58] <seb128> yeah, but like slackware and gentoo you need to build your packages
[06:58] <msg43> then you just do pacman -S package
[06:58] <msg43> seb128, yeah thats true
[06:59] <msg43> with arch you don't
[06:59] <msg43> and arch uses what is called "rolling updates"
[06:59] <msg43> thus you never had to reinstall to upgrade your system
[06:59] <seb128> k
[06:59] <seb128> anyway I've to go for now
[06:59] <seb128> bbl
[07:11] <opi> Hi there, any Ruby/Ubuntu hacker around? I just noticed that standard Ruby build on Breezy is missing mkmf.rb, and thus I can't configure/gem any new packages
[07:16] <opi> OK, fixed it ;)
[07:22] <gordo> ho
[07:22] <gordo> hi*
[07:57] <pitti> Hi sabdfl! Alive again? :-)
[08:14] <zyga> just for the record, I don't know what has happened in the last 5 hours but after installing beagle I've lost: my mail, my contacts *AND* my gpg personality... 
[10:20] <johannes> does somebody know if the alsa-drivers/libs in the repos. were compiled with jack pcm support? i'm trying to configure asound to use jack by default, so that all alsa apps can use jack. or is this possible? it seems to be in Gentoo at least: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Jack#Configuring_software_to_use_JACK
[10:25] <kent> johannes: Since you are a swede - you are more than welcome to join us in #ubuntu.se  - we cant help you but we take pride in huge idle-time and OT-talks.  :)
[11:58] <kikidonk> tseng: jumping in dapper right now, hoping that everything keeps working :)
[11:58] <tseng> nice
[11:58] <kikidonk> fear, fear
[11:59] <Treenaks> (day 1)
[11:59] <Treenaks> over the next few weeks, I'll do videos as well :)