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| Burgundavia | hey rob^ | 12:22 |
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| rob^ | hi Burgundavia | 12:22 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, I like the idea of StartingWithUbuntu | 12:22 |
| Burgundavia | did you a specific goal for it? | 12:23 |
| rob^ | well mainly an advanced users guide, for those switching from another linux to Ubuntu | 12:23 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 12:23 |
| rob^ | just a quick overview, but yeah it needs a bit more work | 12:23 |
| Burgundavia | do you want me to work on it? | 12:23 |
| rob^ | just ran out of time | 12:24 |
| === mdke looks | ||
| rob^ | if you want, sure | 12:24 |
| Burgundavia | I will try over the next few weeks | 12:24 |
| rob^ | I think it was SwitchingToUbuntu.. | 12:24 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 12:24 |
| mdke | looks cool | 12:24 |
| mdke | synaptic is in the menu btw | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | we might want to split it into FromAnotherDistro and FromWindows and FromOSX | 12:25 |
| === rob^ looks.. I don't see it | ||
| === rob^ is blind | ||
| Burgundavia | those were ideas for subpages | 12:25 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, yeah might be a good idea | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | let me throw some ideas on those | 12:26 |
| rob^ | sure | 12:26 |
| Burgundavia | not likely to happen before later next week | 12:26 |
| rob^ | heh | 12:26 |
| Burgundavia | today is the last day at UBZ | 12:26 |
| Burgundavia | and I fly home tomorrow and start work again on monday | 12:27 |
| rob^ | yay | 12:27 |
| Kinnison | Yep, Monday is the first day of LaunchpadBelowZero as it were :-) | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 12:27 |
| Kinnison | Except we get to move up to floor two and have natural light | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | you lucky bastard | 12:27 |
| mdke | cheating! | 12:27 |
| mdke | natural light is cheating | 12:27 |
| robitaille | who needs natural light? | 12:27 |
| rob^ | natural what? | 12:27 |
| rob^ | I've heard of that.. | 12:28 |
| Kinnison | rob^: a specific subset of the electromagnetic radiation emitted from the big ball of burning hydrogen in the sky. | 12:28 |
| robitaille | Hopefully there is more natural light in Montreal than in Victoria these days... | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | is quite cloudy today | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | somewhat fuggy | 12:28 |
| rob^ | theres a big ball of burning hydrogen in the sky? what sky? | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | s/fuggy/foggy | 12:28 |
| mdke | rob^, btw, you have a "sudo" group on your system? | 12:28 |
| rob^ | yes | 12:28 |
| mdke | mine doesn't | 12:28 |
| mdke | strange | 12:28 |
| rob^ | you need to tick "show all groups/users" | 12:29 |
| Burgundavia | it is an admin group | 12:29 |
| mdke | i'm looking in /etc/passwd | 12:29 |
| mdke | mine is admin too | 12:29 |
| rob^ | I've got admin and sudo | 12:29 |
| Burgundavia | it should be admin for all hoary/breezy | 12:29 |
| mdke | rob^, what did you install at? | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | warty has the specific user in the sudo file | 12:30 |
| rob^ | warty | 12:30 |
| mdke | ahhh | 12:30 |
| rob^ | I haven't reinstalled in ages.. | 12:30 |
| mdke | heh | 12:31 |
| === rob^ loves dist-upgrade :) | ||
| mdke | strange that it didn't update that when you dist-upgraded | 12:31 |
| rob^ | yeah | 12:31 |
| robitaille | mdke, it was an issue ay back when. I vaguely remember an email on the -devel list | 12:31 |
| rob^ | well feel free to update it with whats current.. | 12:31 |
| mdke | yeah i changed it | 12:32 |
| robitaille | something about it was too difficult to deal with while doing a dist-upgrade | 12:32 |
| Burgundavia | upgrading from release to release will not add any user to a new group | 12:32 |
| Burgundavia | which that change would require | 12:32 |
| Burgundavia | that is a policy decision | 12:32 |
| robitaille | I wonder what else is "broken" on my desktop; I have been dist-upgrading it since a pre-release of Warty. | 12:33 |
| mdke | i was thinking | 12:35 |
| mdke | we don't use the ubuntu website enough on the wiki | 12:36 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 12:36 |
| rob^ | yeah | 12:36 |
| Burgundavia | but the current ubuntu website is a godawful mess, to be honest | 12:36 |
| rob^ | heh | 12:36 |
| rob^ | just a bit | 12:36 |
| mdke | we're nearly finished moving it to moin :) | 12:36 |
| mdke | this would be a cool page to use | 12:36 |
| mdke | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ | 12:37 |
| === rob^ hasn't gotten any replies to his email to the devel list about gai yet | ||
| Burgundavia | rob^, it is not going to happen | 12:37 |
| rob^ | maybe they are all still hung over.. | 12:37 |
| Burgundavia | I spoke with several people about the diea | 12:37 |
| Burgundavia | jeff waugh, etc. | 12:37 |
| mdke | rob^, i think you can make it clearer that you are suggesting a very minor feature improvement, not a major one | 12:37 |
| rob^ | quite frankly gai is a pain in the butt | 12:38 |
| mdke | yes, it is a poor app atm | 12:38 |
| rob^ | mdke, I thought I'd done that | 12:38 |
| Burgundavia | it shows much promise, but unfortunately lacks promise | 12:38 |
| Burgundavia | s/promise/polish | 12:38 |
| mdke | i would say it has polish, but not promise :D | 12:38 |
| mdke | it really needs to find a way to make all packages easily available | 12:39 |
| mdke | without wasting users' time | 12:39 |
| rob^ | yep | 12:39 |
| mdke | i'll comment on the thread i think | 12:39 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia, so what they told you: the gai we curentlt have is what we'll have for dapper? | 12:39 |
| robitaille | for anything else use synaptic? | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | pretty much | 12:40 |
| rob^ | I thought they want to kill synaptic? | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | the repo dialog is going to get a redesign | 12:40 |
| robitaille | we're getting mixed message it seems.... | 12:41 |
| Burgundavia | synaptic maybe be hidden, but still installed | 12:41 |
| mdke | it's early days, we'll get a clarification I'm sure | 12:41 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited | 12:41 |
| Burgundavia | there is no spec for the kind of improvements we are looking for in gai | 12:42 |
| Burgundavia | thus it is not going to happen | 12:42 |
| mdke | specs are god! | 12:42 |
| mdke | presumably a spec won't be necessary for every bugfix? | 12:43 |
| Burgundavia | no, but that is fairly major changes | 12:43 |
| robitaille | so another god: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDesktopPlan "Top panel icons We will remove the Help icon, but keep the web browser and email icons." | 12:43 |
| Burgundavia | the non-app stuff | 12:43 |
| robitaille | so the help icon is going away from the panel | 12:43 |
| mdke | robitaille, i think that's fair, people probably won't use that icon | 12:43 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille, yes, it is | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | rob^: I talked to Unfrgiven about the packaging guide and he will have a svn repo up shortly | 12:43 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock, it should go into ours | 12:43 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock, I spoke with MOTU's about it | 12:44 |
| robitaille | the help icon is generally the first one that I remove on a new install. It's nice to see that I was right :) | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | yes, but once he has a svn repo can't we just take if from there and add it to the docteam one? | 12:44 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock, why not just push it directly into ours? | 12:45 |
| Burgundavia | that way we never deal with the two repos issue | 12:45 |
| mdke | +1 | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: I don't know he just said that he would have get back to me soon. Maybe if he heard it from you. | 12:45 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock, I just pinged him | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: seems he has been idle on irc for 2 days. Email seemed to work today pretty well. | 12:47 |
| rob^ | LaserJock, great! | 12:47 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | this is what he told me: | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | I currently do not have an svn repository but will set one up shortly. | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | > > Can I get back to you in the next few days with the details? | 12:47 |
| mdke | best thing is to ask him to push it to one of us to insert in the docteam repo | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | can you email him back and say hey, just give us the file and we will push it into our repo | 12:48 |
| rob^ | ymm yeah just use ours :) | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | then we can build it and get it onto help.ubuntu.com | 12:48 |
| rob^ | I wonder if gai is done in python? If it is I'm half tempted to do the change myself and submit a patch.. | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | yes, it is written in python | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | and patches might be accepted | 12:49 |
| rob^ | hmm] | 12:51 |
| jdub | ` | 12:56 |
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| jdub | ````````quebecistani keyboard hell! | 12:56 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, you having fun with your brandnew laptop? | 12:57 |
| Kinnison | jdub: poor you | 12:57 |
| robitaille | jdub, french-canadian keyboard problem? :) | 01:01 |
| jdub | oh man | 01:01 |
| jdub | this is so much crack :) | 01:01 |
| robitaille | I always refused to get one of these keyboard...and always stayed with us-keyboard style. | 01:01 |
| robitaille | but I have been know to swear a few time at my UK keyboard on my canonical laptop | 01:02 |
| robitaille | s/know/known | 01:02 |
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| rob^ | wow, the dg is so pretty | 08:31 |
| highvoltage | dg? | 08:31 |
| rob^ | desktop guide | 08:31 |
| === rob^ got interlinking xincluded references working | ||
| highvoltage | where is it? i'd like to do an adaptation for Edubuntu. | 08:32 |
| robitaille | wow...Corey is now a movie star http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/ | 08:33 |
| rob^ | our svn repo under /ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ | 08:33 |
| rob^ | heh | 08:35 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: we'll have to give him a hard time about that when he gets back... | 08:36 |
| rob^ | could someone else try making the dg and see if it all works? | 08:37 |
| rob^ | mainly I want to make sure the xrefs work after I xincluded everything :) | 08:38 |
| rob^ | it seems to work here.. | 08:38 |
| robitaille | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RideTheWildElmo I guess we cannot delete since jdub link to it from his blog :) | 08:42 |
| Madpilot | um...?? | 08:43 |
| rob^ | just ask him about it :) | 08:43 |
| Madpilot | if you haven't already, grab Mark Shuttleworth's video from that Fanpeople page - it's amusing... | 08:44 |
| highvoltage | i'm downloading all of them now... :) | 08:46 |
| rob^ | when did mark grow his hair? | 08:46 |
| Madpilot | "My name is Mark, and I'm just some geek from South Africa..." | 08:46 |
| highvoltage | i think since he came back from space :) | 08:47 |
| rob^ | heh | 08:47 |
| rob^ | most likely | 08:47 |
| robitaille | there was an article last fall in a sa online magazine commenting on his various air styles. | 08:50 |
| robitaille | s/air/hair | 08:50 |
| highvoltage | there was an article in a national newspaper as well. | 08:51 |
| highvoltage | I think it was in Die Burger | 08:51 |
| highvoltage | and the Argus too. | 08:51 |
| robitaille | one of the first google link about his hair bring this: http://www.netsplit.com/events/2005/lca-miniconfs/lca-miniconfs-016.html | 08:52 |
| Madpilot | ha | 08:54 |
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| mdke | rob^, yo? | 11:26 |
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| jsgotangco | lol someone almost made a wiki boo boo on the FrontPage | 01:25 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco | 02:03 |
| jsgotangco | hi mr afrikaans | 02:03 |
| mdke | crazy random deletion of the frontpage ;) | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 02:08 |
| mdke | hello | 02:10 |
| highvoltage | hi jsgotangco, sorry, got distracted here. | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 02:33 |
| === jsgotangco is busy jacking up lp karma | ||
| === highvoltage too | ||
| highvoltage | mhuhahahahahaha! | 02:34 |
| highvoltage | we'll never get kharma this cheap again. | 02:34 |
| highvoltage | we might as well take advantage of it. | 02:34 |
| jsgotangco | i got up to 517 in just 2 hours of lp work in rosetta | 02:34 |
| highvoltage | wow. | 02:35 |
| jsgotangco | it seems to give 1 karma point for every line | 02:36 |
| highvoltage | yep, i think they'll bring that down though, like 1 point for every 10 translations. | 02:37 |
| highvoltage | i think 1 for each line is a bit easy. | 02:38 |
| highvoltage | if you look how little bug management currently counts in comparison. | 02:38 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: when are you starting with your new job again? | 02:39 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: tommorow | 02:39 |
| jsgotangco | not expecting much on the first day though, just a couple of hi and hellos | 02:40 |
| highvoltage | nice. | 02:41 |
| jsgotangco | I'll see how it pans out in a few days :) | 02:41 |
| mdke | cool | 02:42 |
| mdke | what sort of job? | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | well its linux admin stuff for an au-based MVNO | 02:43 |
| mdke | great | 02:46 |
| jsgotangco | i accepted the job because it'll be my first exporsure to carrier-grade linux | 02:47 |
| mdke | MVNO? | 02:47 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: think ringtones, games, logos, etc. services for mobile carriers | 02:47 |
| mdke | aha | 02:47 |
| mdke | cool | 02:47 |
| jsgotangco | i dunno what to expect at the moment, my boss looks cool though (Indian) | 02:48 |
| mdke | well you'll have fun I'm sure | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: thanks i do hope so too (and fix this career of mine) | 02:51 |
| mdke | :) | 02:52 |
| jsgotangco | at least i got a linux-related job finally | 02:53 |
| highvoltage | :) | 02:54 |
| highvoltage | i quit my last computer-related jobs, yelling i'd rather clean toilets for a living than work with computers again. | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | is there such thing as karma ranking in lp? | 02:55 |
| highvoltage | s/jobs/job | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | let's say top 10 | 02:55 |
| highvoltage | there's a top5 on the front page | 02:55 |
| highvoltage | so we'll have to wait until we have 10000+ karma | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | i don't think we'll get past jordi | 02:55 |
| highvoltage | jordi has been idle the past while. someone mentioned that he's not feeling to well. | 02:56 |
| highvoltage | but i think you're right, we won't get past him. | 02:57 |
| highvoltage | 20000 is totally doable, though. | 02:57 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: our next project should be publishing an LP tips & tricks and blackhat guide hehe | 02:58 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | "how to get instant karma without really trying" | 02:58 |
| highvoltage | no, we're too 1337 for that :) | 02:59 |
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| jsgotangco | hi bhuvan | 03:11 |
| bhuvan | hello | 03:11 |
| bhuvan | jsgotangco: ? | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | bhuvan: nice one on serverguide | 03:17 |
| bhuvan | ok | 03:18 |
| bhuvan | jsgotangco, hope you meant w.u.c/ServerGuide | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | bhuvan: yes | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | good night | 03:29 |
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| bhuvan | rob^: ping | 03:32 |
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