=== highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ looks in [12:22] hey rob^ [12:22] hi Burgundavia [12:22] rob^, I like the idea of StartingWithUbuntu [12:23] did you a specific goal for it? [12:23] well mainly an advanced users guide, for those switching from another linux to Ubuntu [12:23] ok [12:23] just a quick overview, but yeah it needs a bit more work [12:23] do you want me to work on it? [12:24] just ran out of time === mdke looks [12:24] if you want, sure [12:24] I will try over the next few weeks [12:24] I think it was SwitchingToUbuntu.. [12:24] yes [12:24] looks cool [12:25] synaptic is in the menu btw [12:25] we might want to split it into FromAnotherDistro and FromWindows and FromOSX === rob^ looks.. I don't see it === rob^ is blind [12:25] those were ideas for subpages [12:25] Burgundavia, yeah might be a good idea [12:26] let me throw some ideas on those [12:26] sure [12:26] not likely to happen before later next week [12:26] heh [12:26] today is the last day at UBZ [12:27] and I fly home tomorrow and start work again on monday [12:27] yay [12:27] Yep, Monday is the first day of LaunchpadBelowZero as it were :-) [12:27] yes [12:27] Except we get to move up to floor two and have natural light [12:27] you lucky bastard [12:27] cheating! [12:27] natural light is cheating [12:27] who needs natural light? [12:27] natural what? [12:28] I've heard of that.. [12:28] rob^: a specific subset of the electromagnetic radiation emitted from the big ball of burning hydrogen in the sky. [12:28] Hopefully there is more natural light in Montreal than in Victoria these days... [12:28] is quite cloudy today [12:28] somewhat fuggy [12:28] theres a big ball of burning hydrogen in the sky? what sky? [12:28] s/fuggy/foggy [12:28] rob^, btw, you have a "sudo" group on your system? [12:28] yes [12:28] mine doesn't [12:28] strange [12:29] you need to tick "show all groups/users" [12:29] it is an admin group [12:29] i'm looking in /etc/passwd [12:29] mine is admin too [12:29] I've got admin and sudo [12:29] it should be admin for all hoary/breezy [12:30] rob^, what did you install at? [12:30] warty has the specific user in the sudo file [12:30] warty [12:30] ahhh [12:30] I haven't reinstalled in ages.. [12:31] heh === rob^ loves dist-upgrade :) [12:31] strange that it didn't update that when you dist-upgraded [12:31] yeah [12:31] mdke, it was an issue ay back when. I vaguely remember an email on the -devel list [12:31] well feel free to update it with whats current.. [12:32] yeah i changed it [12:32] something about it was too difficult to deal with while doing a dist-upgrade [12:32] upgrading from release to release will not add any user to a new group [12:32] which that change would require [12:32] that is a policy decision [12:33] I wonder what else is "broken" on my desktop; I have been dist-upgrading it since a pre-release of Warty. [12:35] i was thinking [12:36] we don't use the ubuntu website enough on the wiki [12:36] yes [12:36] yeah [12:36] but the current ubuntu website is a godawful mess, to be honest [12:36] heh [12:36] just a bit [12:36] we're nearly finished moving it to moin :) [12:36] this would be a cool page to use [12:37] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ === rob^ hasn't gotten any replies to his email to the devel list about gai yet [12:37] rob^, it is not going to happen [12:37] maybe they are all still hung over.. [12:37] I spoke with several people about the diea [12:37] jeff waugh, etc. [12:37] rob^, i think you can make it clearer that you are suggesting a very minor feature improvement, not a major one [12:38] quite frankly gai is a pain in the butt [12:38] yes, it is a poor app atm [12:38] mdke, I thought I'd done that [12:38] it shows much promise, but unfortunately lacks promise [12:38] s/promise/polish [12:38] i would say it has polish, but not promise :D [12:39] it really needs to find a way to make all packages easily available [12:39] without wasting users' time [12:39] yep [12:39] i'll comment on the thread i think [12:39] Burgundavia, so what they told you: the gai we curentlt have is what we'll have for dapper? [12:40] for anything else use synaptic? [12:40] pretty much [12:40] I thought they want to kill synaptic? [12:40] the repo dialog is going to get a redesign [12:41] we're getting mixed message it seems.... [12:41] synaptic maybe be hidden, but still installed [12:41] it's early days, we'll get a clarification I'm sure [12:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited [12:42] there is no spec for the kind of improvements we are looking for in gai [12:42] thus it is not going to happen [12:42] specs are god! [12:43] presumably a spec won't be necessary for every bugfix? [12:43] no, but that is fairly major changes [12:43] so another god: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDesktopPlan "Top panel icons We will remove the Help icon, but keep the web browser and email icons." [12:43] the non-app stuff [12:43] so the help icon is going away from the panel [12:43] robitaille, i think that's fair, people probably won't use that icon [12:43] robitaille, yes, it is [12:43] rob^: I talked to Unfrgiven about the packaging guide and he will have a svn repo up shortly [12:43] LaserJock, it should go into ours [12:44] LaserJock, I spoke with MOTU's about it [12:44] the help icon is generally the first one that I remove on a new install. It's nice to see that I was right :) [12:44] yes, but once he has a svn repo can't we just take if from there and add it to the docteam one? [12:45] LaserJock, why not just push it directly into ours? [12:45] that way we never deal with the two repos issue [12:45] +1 [12:45] Burgundavia: I don't know he just said that he would have get back to me soon. Maybe if he heard it from you. [12:45] LaserJock, I just pinged him [12:47] Burgundavia: seems he has been idle on irc for 2 days. Email seemed to work today pretty well. [12:47] LaserJock, great! [12:47] ok [12:47] this is what he told me: [12:47] I currently do not have an svn repository but will set one up shortly. [12:47] > > Can I get back to you in the next few days with the details? [12:48] best thing is to ask him to push it to one of us to insert in the docteam repo [12:48] can you email him back and say hey, just give us the file and we will push it into our repo [12:48] ymm yeah just use ours :) [12:48] then we can build it and get it onto help.ubuntu.com [12:48] I wonder if gai is done in python? If it is I'm half tempted to do the change myself and submit a patch.. [12:48] yes, it is written in python [12:49] and patches might be accepted [12:51] hmm] [12:56] ` === rob^ checks out the gnome cvs [12:56] ````````quebecistani keyboard hell! [12:57] jdub, you having fun with your brandnew laptop? [12:57] jdub: poor you [01:01] jdub, french-canadian keyboard problem? :) [01:01] oh man [01:01] this is so much crack :) [01:01] I always refused to get one of these keyboard...and always stayed with us-keyboard style. [01:02] but I have been know to swear a few time at my UK keyboard on my canonical laptop [01:02] s/know/known === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-164-1697.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@66.103.220.217] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@203-158-44-44.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:31] wow, the dg is so pretty [08:31] dg? [08:31] desktop guide === rob^ got interlinking xincluded references working [08:32] where is it? i'd like to do an adaptation for Edubuntu. [08:33] wow...Corey is now a movie star http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/ [08:33] our svn repo under /ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ [08:35] heh [08:36] robitaille: we'll have to give him a hard time about that when he gets back... [08:37] could someone else try making the dg and see if it all works? [08:38] mainly I want to make sure the xrefs work after I xincluded everything :) [08:38] it seems to work here.. [08:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RideTheWildElmo I guess we cannot delete since jdub link to it from his blog :) [08:43] um...?? [08:43] just ask him about it :) [08:44] if you haven't already, grab Mark Shuttleworth's video from that Fanpeople page - it's amusing... [08:46] i'm downloading all of them now... :) [08:46] when did mark grow his hair? [08:46] "My name is Mark, and I'm just some geek from South Africa..." [08:47] i think since he came back from space :) [08:47] heh [08:47] most likely [08:50] there was an article last fall in a sa online magazine commenting on his various air styles. [08:50] s/air/hair [08:51] there was an article in a national newspaper as well. [08:51] I think it was in Die Burger [08:51] and the Argus too. [08:52] one of the first google link about his hair bring this: http://www.netsplit.com/events/2005/lca-miniconfs/lca-miniconfs-016.html [08:54] ha === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-119.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.210] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxboy [n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:26] rob^, yo? === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.192] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp219-172.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:25] lol someone almost made a wiki boo boo on the FrontPage [02:03] jsgotangco [02:03] hi mr afrikaans [02:07] crazy random deletion of the frontpage ;) [02:08] hey mdke [02:10] hello [02:33] hi jsgotangco, sorry, got distracted here. [02:33] :) === jsgotangco is busy jacking up lp karma === highvoltage too [02:34] mhuhahahahahaha! [02:34] we'll never get kharma this cheap again. [02:34] we might as well take advantage of it. [02:34] i got up to 517 in just 2 hours of lp work in rosetta [02:35] wow. [02:36] it seems to give 1 karma point for every line [02:37] yep, i think they'll bring that down though, like 1 point for every 10 translations. [02:38] i think 1 for each line is a bit easy. [02:38] if you look how little bug management currently counts in comparison. [02:39] jsgotangco: when are you starting with your new job again? [02:39] highvoltage: tommorow [02:40] not expecting much on the first day though, just a couple of hi and hellos [02:41] nice. [02:41] I'll see how it pans out in a few days :) [02:42] cool [02:42] what sort of job? [02:43] well its linux admin stuff for an au-based MVNO [02:46] great [02:47] i accepted the job because it'll be my first exporsure to carrier-grade linux [02:47] MVNO? [02:47] mdke: think ringtones, games, logos, etc. services for mobile carriers [02:47] aha [02:47] cool [02:48] i dunno what to expect at the moment, my boss looks cool though (Indian) [02:50] well you'll have fun I'm sure [02:51] mdke: thanks i do hope so too (and fix this career of mine) [02:52] :) [02:53] at least i got a linux-related job finally [02:54] :) [02:54] i quit my last computer-related jobs, yelling i'd rather clean toilets for a living than work with computers again. [02:55] is there such thing as karma ranking in lp? [02:55] s/jobs/job [02:55] let's say top 10 [02:55] there's a top5 on the front page [02:55] so we'll have to wait until we have 10000+ karma [02:55] i don't think we'll get past jordi [02:56] jordi has been idle the past while. someone mentioned that he's not feeling to well. [02:57] but i think you're right, we won't get past him. [02:57] 20000 is totally doable, though. [02:58] highvoltage: our next project should be publishing an LP tips & tricks and blackhat guide hehe [02:58] hehe [02:58] "how to get instant karma without really trying" [02:59] no, we're too 1337 for that :) === jsgotangco gets the feeling that a lot of xubuntu stuff in svn are upstream === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.35.246] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:11] hi bhuvan [03:11] hello [03:14] jsgotangco: ? [03:17] bhuvan: nice one on serverguide [03:18] ok [03:19] jsgotangco, hope you meant w.u.c/ServerGuide [03:19] bhuvan: yes [03:29] good night === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:32] rob^: ping === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spayne|laptop [n=Seb@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@66.103.220.217] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.201.10] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.192] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.192] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@66.103.220.192] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.35.84] has joined #ubuntu-doc