[12:22] <Burgundavia> hey rob^ 
[12:22] <rob^> hi Burgundavia 
[12:22] <Burgundavia> rob^, I like the idea of StartingWithUbuntu
[12:23] <Burgundavia> did you a specific goal for it?
[12:23] <rob^> well mainly an advanced users guide, for those switching from another linux to Ubuntu
[12:23] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:23] <rob^> just a quick overview, but yeah it needs a bit more work
[12:23] <Burgundavia> do you want me to work on it?
[12:24] <rob^> just ran out of time
[12:24] <rob^> if you want, sure
[12:24] <Burgundavia> I will try over the next few weeks
[12:24] <rob^> I think it was SwitchingToUbuntu..
[12:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:24] <mdke> looks cool
[12:25] <mdke> synaptic is in the menu btw
[12:25] <Burgundavia> we might want to split it into FromAnotherDistro and FromWindows and FromOSX
[12:25] <Burgundavia> those were ideas for subpages
[12:25] <rob^> Burgundavia, yeah might be a good idea
[12:26] <Burgundavia> let me throw some ideas on those
[12:26] <rob^> sure
[12:26] <Burgundavia> not likely to happen before later next week
[12:26] <rob^> heh
[12:26] <Burgundavia> today is the last day at UBZ
[12:27] <Burgundavia> and I fly home tomorrow and start work again on monday
[12:27] <rob^> yay
[12:27] <Kinnison> Yep, Monday is the first day of LaunchpadBelowZero as it were :-)
[12:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:27] <Kinnison> Except we get to move up to floor two and have natural light
[12:27] <Burgundavia> you lucky bastard
[12:27] <mdke> cheating!
[12:27] <mdke> natural light is cheating
[12:27] <robitaille> who needs natural light?
[12:27] <rob^> natural what?
[12:28] <rob^> I've heard of that..
[12:28] <Kinnison> rob^: a specific subset of the electromagnetic radiation emitted from the big ball of burning hydrogen in the sky.
[12:28] <robitaille> Hopefully there is more natural light in Montreal than in Victoria these days...
[12:28] <Burgundavia> is quite cloudy today
[12:28] <Burgundavia> somewhat fuggy
[12:28] <rob^> theres a big ball of burning hydrogen in the sky? what sky?
[12:28] <Burgundavia> s/fuggy/foggy
[12:28] <mdke> rob^, btw, you have a "sudo" group on your system?
[12:28] <rob^> yes
[12:28] <mdke> mine doesn't
[12:28] <mdke> strange
[12:29] <rob^> you need to tick "show all groups/users"
[12:29] <Burgundavia> it is an admin group
[12:29] <mdke> i'm looking in /etc/passwd
[12:29] <mdke> mine is admin too
[12:29] <rob^> I've got admin and sudo
[12:29] <Burgundavia> it should be admin for all hoary/breezy
[12:30] <mdke> rob^, what did you install at?
[12:30] <Burgundavia> warty has the specific user in the sudo file
[12:30] <rob^> warty
[12:30] <mdke> ahhh
[12:30] <rob^> I haven't reinstalled in ages..
[12:31] <mdke> heh
[12:31] <mdke> strange that it didn't update that when you dist-upgraded
[12:31] <rob^> yeah
[12:31] <robitaille> mdke,  it was an issue ay back when.  I vaguely remember an email on the -devel list
[12:31] <rob^> well feel free to update it with whats current..
[12:32] <mdke> yeah i changed it
[12:32] <robitaille> something about it was too difficult to deal with while doing a dist-upgrade
[12:32] <Burgundavia> upgrading from release to release will not add any user to a new group
[12:32] <Burgundavia> which that change would require
[12:32] <Burgundavia> that is a policy decision
[12:33] <robitaille> I wonder  what else is "broken" on my desktop; I have been dist-upgrading it since a pre-release of Warty.
[12:35] <mdke> i was thinking
[12:36] <mdke> we don't use the ubuntu website enough on the wiki
[12:36] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:36] <rob^> yeah
[12:36] <Burgundavia> but the current ubuntu website is a godawful mess, to be honest
[12:36] <rob^> heh
[12:36] <rob^> just a bit
[12:36] <mdke> we're nearly finished moving it to moin :)
[12:36] <mdke> this would be a cool page to use
[12:37] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[12:37] <Burgundavia> rob^, it is not going to happen
[12:37] <rob^> maybe they are all still hung over..
[12:37] <Burgundavia> I spoke with several people about the diea
[12:37] <Burgundavia> jeff waugh, etc.
[12:37] <mdke> rob^, i think you can make it clearer that you are suggesting a very minor feature improvement, not a major one
[12:38] <rob^> quite frankly gai is a pain in the butt
[12:38] <mdke> yes, it is a poor app atm
[12:38] <rob^> mdke, I thought I'd done that
[12:38] <Burgundavia> it shows much promise, but unfortunately lacks promise
[12:38] <Burgundavia> s/promise/polish
[12:38] <mdke> i would say it has polish, but not promise :D
[12:39] <mdke> it really needs to find a way to make all packages easily available
[12:39] <mdke> without wasting users' time
[12:39] <rob^> yep
[12:39] <mdke> i'll comment on the thread i think
[12:39] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  so what they told you: the gai  we curentlt have is what we'll have for dapper?
[12:40] <robitaille> for anything else use synaptic?
[12:40] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[12:40] <rob^> I thought they want to kill synaptic?
[12:40] <Burgundavia> the repo dialog is going to get a redesign
[12:41] <robitaille> we're getting mixed message it seems....
[12:41] <Burgundavia> synaptic maybe be hidden, but still installed
[12:41] <mdke> it's early days, we'll get a clarification I'm sure
[12:41] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited
[12:42] <Burgundavia> there is no spec for the kind of improvements we are looking for in gai
[12:42] <Burgundavia> thus it is not going to happen
[12:42] <mdke> specs are god!
[12:43] <mdke> presumably a spec won't be necessary for every bugfix?
[12:43] <Burgundavia> no, but that is fairly major changes
[12:43] <robitaille> so another god:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDesktopPlan   "Top panel icons   We will remove the Help icon, but keep the web browser and email icons."
[12:43] <Burgundavia> the non-app stuff
[12:43] <robitaille> so the help icon is going away from the panel
[12:43] <mdke> robitaille, i think that's fair, people probably won't use that icon
[12:43] <Burgundavia> robitaille, yes, it is
[12:43] <LaserJock> rob^: I talked to Unfrgiven about the packaging guide and he will have a svn repo up shortly
[12:43] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, it should go into ours
[12:44] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, I spoke with MOTU's about it
[12:44] <robitaille> the help icon is generally the first one that I remove on a new install.  It's nice to see that I was right :)
[12:44] <LaserJock> yes, but once he has a svn repo can't we just take if from there and add it to the docteam one?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, why not just push it directly into ours?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> that way we never deal with the two repos issue
[12:45] <mdke> +1
[12:45] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I don't know he just said that he would have get back to me soon. Maybe if he heard it from you.
[12:45] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, I just pinged him
[12:47] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: seems he has been idle on irc for 2 days. Email seemed to work today pretty well.
[12:47] <rob^> LaserJock, great!
[12:47] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:47] <LaserJock> this is what he told me:
[12:47] <LaserJock> I currently do not have an svn repository but will set one up shortly.
[12:47] <LaserJock> > > Can I get back to you in the next few days with the details?
[12:48] <mdke> best thing is to ask him to push it to one of us to insert in the docteam repo
[12:48] <Burgundavia> can you email him back and say hey, just give us the file and we will push it into our repo
[12:48] <rob^> ymm yeah just use ours :)
[12:48] <Burgundavia> then we can build it and get it onto help.ubuntu.com
[12:48] <rob^> I wonder if gai is done in python? If it is I'm half tempted to do the change myself and submit a patch..
[12:48] <Burgundavia> yes, it is written in python
[12:49] <Burgundavia> and patches might be accepted
[12:51] <rob^> hmm] 
[12:56] <jdub> `
[12:56] <jdub> ````````quebecistani keyboard hell!
[12:57] <Burgundavia> jdub, you having fun with your brandnew laptop?
[12:57] <Kinnison> jdub: poor you
[01:01] <robitaille> jdub,  french-canadian keyboard problem?  :)
[01:01] <jdub> oh man
[01:01] <jdub> this is so much crack :)
[01:01] <robitaille> I always refused to get one of these keyboard...and always stayed with us-keyboard style.
[01:02] <robitaille> but I have been know to swear a few time at my UK keyboard on my canonical laptop
[01:02] <robitaille> s/know/known
[08:31] <rob^> wow, the dg is so pretty 
[08:31] <highvoltage> dg?
[08:31] <rob^> desktop guide
[08:32] <highvoltage> where is it? i'd like to do an adaptation for Edubuntu.
[08:33] <robitaille> wow...Corey is now a movie star   http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/
[08:33] <rob^> our svn repo under /ubuntu/desktopguide/C/
[08:35] <rob^> heh
[08:36] <Madpilot> robitaille: we'll have to give him a hard time about that when he gets back... 
[08:37] <rob^> could someone else try making the dg and see if it all works?
[08:38] <rob^> mainly I want to make sure the xrefs work after I xincluded everything :)
[08:38] <rob^> it seems to work here..
[08:42] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RideTheWildElmo        I guess we cannot delete since jdub link to it from  his blog :)
[08:43] <Madpilot> um...??
[08:43] <rob^> just ask him about it :)
[08:44] <Madpilot> if you haven't already, grab Mark Shuttleworth's video from that Fanpeople page - it's amusing...
[08:46] <highvoltage> i'm downloading all of them now... :)
[08:46] <rob^> when did mark grow his hair?
[08:46] <Madpilot> "My name is Mark, and I'm just some geek from South Africa..."
[08:47] <highvoltage> i think since he came back from space :)
[08:47] <rob^> heh
[08:47] <rob^> most likely
[08:50] <robitaille> there was an article last fall in a sa online magazine commenting on his various air styles.  
[08:50] <robitaille> s/air/hair
[08:51] <highvoltage> there was an article in a national newspaper as well.
[08:51] <highvoltage> I think it was in Die Burger
[08:51] <highvoltage> and the Argus too.
[08:52] <robitaille> one of the first google link about his hair bring this:  http://www.netsplit.com/events/2005/lca-miniconfs/lca-miniconfs-016.html
[08:54] <Madpilot> ha
[11:26] <mdke> rob^, yo?
[01:25] <jsgotangco> lol someone almost made a wiki boo boo on the FrontPage
[02:03] <highvoltage> jsgotangco
[02:03] <jsgotangco> hi mr afrikaans
[02:07] <mdke> crazy random deletion of the frontpage ;)
[02:08] <jsgotangco> hey mdke 
[02:10] <mdke> hello
[02:33] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco, sorry, got distracted here.
[02:33] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:34] <highvoltage> mhuhahahahahaha!
[02:34] <highvoltage> we'll never get kharma this cheap again.
[02:34] <highvoltage> we might as well take advantage of it.
[02:34] <jsgotangco> i got up to 517 in just 2 hours of lp work in rosetta
[02:35] <highvoltage> wow.
[02:36] <jsgotangco> it seems to give 1 karma point for every line
[02:37] <highvoltage> yep, i think they'll bring that down though, like 1 point for every 10 translations.
[02:38] <highvoltage> i think 1 for each line is a bit easy.
[02:38] <highvoltage> if you look how little bug management currently counts in comparison.
[02:39] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: when are you starting with your new job again?
[02:39] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: tommorow
[02:40] <jsgotangco> not expecting much on the first day though, just a couple of hi and hellos
[02:41] <highvoltage> nice.
[02:41] <jsgotangco> I'll see how it pans out in a few days :)
[02:42] <mdke> cool
[02:42] <mdke> what sort of job?
[02:43] <jsgotangco> well its linux admin stuff for an au-based MVNO
[02:46] <mdke> great
[02:47] <jsgotangco> i accepted the job because it'll be my first exporsure to carrier-grade linux
[02:47] <mdke> MVNO?
[02:47] <jsgotangco> mdke: think ringtones, games, logos, etc. services for mobile carriers
[02:47] <mdke> aha
[02:47] <mdke> cool
[02:48] <jsgotangco> i dunno what to expect at the moment, my boss looks cool though (Indian)
[02:50] <mdke> well you'll have fun I'm sure
[02:51] <jsgotangco> mdke: thanks i do hope so too (and fix this career of mine)
[02:52] <mdke> :)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> at least i got a linux-related job finally
[02:54] <highvoltage> :)
[02:54] <highvoltage> i quit my last computer-related jobs, yelling i'd rather clean toilets for a living than work with computers again.
[02:55] <jsgotangco> is there such thing as karma ranking in lp?
[02:55] <highvoltage> s/jobs/job
[02:55] <jsgotangco> let's say top 10
[02:55] <highvoltage> there's a top5 on the front page
[02:55] <highvoltage> so we'll have to wait until we have 10000+ karma
[02:55] <jsgotangco> i don't think we'll get past jordi
[02:56] <highvoltage> jordi has been idle the past while. someone mentioned that he's not feeling to well.
[02:57] <highvoltage> but i think you're right, we won't get past him.
[02:57] <highvoltage> 20000 is totally doable, though.
[02:58] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: our next project should be publishing an LP tips & tricks and blackhat guide hehe
[02:58] <highvoltage> hehe
[02:58] <jsgotangco> "how to get instant karma without really trying"
[02:59] <highvoltage> no, we're too 1337 for that :)
[03:11] <jsgotangco> hi bhuvan
[03:11] <bhuvan> hello
[03:14] <bhuvan> jsgotangco: ?
[03:17] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: nice one on serverguide
[03:18] <bhuvan> ok
[03:19] <bhuvan> jsgotangco, hope you meant w.u.c/ServerGuide
[03:19] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: yes
[03:29] <jsgotangco> good night
[03:32] <bhuvan> rob^: ping