| crimsun | _thierry: am I supposed to be awaiting one? | 12:03 |
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| _thierry | cirmsun : well no like RIGHT NOW, but in maybe 10 minutes, you'll get at least one... | 12:03 |
| _thierry | crimsun | 12:03 |
| crimsun | crimsun: ok | 12:05 |
| crimsun | wow, -ENOBRAIN | 12:06 |
| zakame | crimsun: hahaha | 12:06 |
| slomo | crimsun: hehe, don't worry... that happenend to me too some weeks ago ;) | 12:06 |
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| _thierry | what is package for dch? | 12:08 |
| crimsun | devscripts | 12:09 |
| _thierry | thanks | 12:09 |
| Kyral | hmm | 12:10 |
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| Kyral | How do I get it working...its not running | 12:12 |
| _thierry | crimsun : crap, dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S doesn't work on gksu package... is there something that changed? | 12:12 |
| _thierry | ho wait a minute... | 12:12 |
| _thierry | sorry, cdbs wasn't installed | 12:12 |
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| _thierry | debian/rules clean | 12:15 |
| _thierry | test -x debian/rules | 12:15 |
| _thierry | test "`id -u`" = 0 | 12:15 |
| _thierry | make: *** [testroot] Erreur 1 | 12:15 |
| _thierry | crimsun : now I really get an error I don't understand | 12:15 |
| zakame | _thierry: do you have fakeroot? | 12:15 |
| zakame | _thierry: I think you should do dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot -S | 12:15 |
| _thierry | k... installing fakeroot and then going to try | 12:15 |
| slomo | yes that will work | 12:15 |
| _thierry | worked! thanks zakame! | 12:16 |
| zakame | _thierry: no problem :) | 12:16 |
| _thierry | crimsun : by debdiff you mean like file.debdiff or I debdiff to get file.patch? | 12:18 |
| crimsun | _thierry: generate a debdiff between either the .changes, the .dscs, or the .debs | 12:19 |
| _thierry | crimsun : I know but you want a .debdiff file a or .patch file? | 12:19 |
| _thierry | well I don't know, YOU will apply the changes! | 12:20 |
| crimsun | _thierry: whichever's easier for you to generate | 12:20 |
| _thierry | k | 12:20 |
| crimsun | I'm fairly flexible | 12:20 |
| _thierry | crimsun : just sent one for gksu | 12:23 |
| _thierry | crimsun : I'd like to know if that's ok before working on a second one | 12:23 |
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| crimsun | _thierry: ok, looking | 12:26 |
| _thierry | mmm when I try the command grep -E "^Icon=\/usr\/" /usr/share/applications/*.desktop | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dlocate I get xargs : dlocate, no such file or directory... is it because I'm on kubuntu or is there some package missing? | 12:30 |
| crimsun | you have to install dlocate | 12:31 |
| crimsun | (it's not installed by default) | 12:31 |
| crimsun | alternately, you can replace dlocate there with dpkg -S | 12:31 |
| _thierry | crimsun : no package dlocate with apt-get | 12:32 |
| _thierry | k | 12:32 |
| crimsun | dlocate is in universe | 12:32 |
| crimsun | btw, gtksu is in main | 12:32 |
| crimsun | err, gksu | 12:32 |
| _thierry | ho ok! | 12:32 |
| crimsun | you'll have to ask a main uploader for breezy-updates | 12:33 |
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| crimsun | otherwise the debdiff looks fine to me | 12:34 |
| crimsun | err, the diff | 12:34 |
| _thierry | crimsun : and where can I get a main uploader for breezy-updates ? | 12:35 |
| bmonty_laptop | crimsun: the descrepancy is that the ubuntu patch is for a 0.2.5-7ubuntu1 which would be an ubuntu version of the latest from debian, but that isn't in the archive | 12:35 |
| bmonty_laptop | does MoM create that package automatically? | 12:35 |
| crimsun | bmonty_laptop: 0.2.5 _is_ in the archive | 12:36 |
| crimsun | bmonty_laptop: there's no new upstream version at hand here, only the Debian & Ubuntu changes | 12:36 |
| bmonty_laptop | debian is at 0.2.5-7 ubuntu is at 0.2.5-4 | 12:36 |
| bmonty_laptop | or am I missing something? | 12:37 |
| crimsun | see -4ubuntu1 vs. -7ubuntu1 | 12:37 |
| crimsun | there's nothing amiss | 12:37 |
| bmonty_laptop | crimsun: I'm looking at #3193 which has to do with the section the package is in | 12:39 |
| _thierry | crimsun : and where can I get a main uploader for breezy-updates ? | 12:39 |
| bmonty_laptop | if I grab the latest source package the control file lists the section at libs | 12:39 |
| crimsun | _thierry: sh, ajmitch, ogra, siretart, or ask in -devel. | 12:40 |
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| crimsun | bmonty_laptop: reading 3193 | 12:41 |
| bmonty_laptop | crimsun: I think we can just sync in the 0.2.5-7 from debian, since they incorporated the ubuntu patch | 12:41 |
| bmonty_laptop | debain 0.2.5-6 solves 3193 | 12:42 |
| _thierry | ajmitch : I'd like you to upload a change for breezy-update (absolute icon path bug) can I send you my patch by e-mail? | 12:42 |
| bmonty_laptop | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/libl/liblockfile-simple-perl/liblockfile-simple-perl_0.2.5-7/changelog | 12:42 |
| bmonty_laptop | crimsun: sorry, this is kinda trivial, but I want to make sure I understand what is in the merge info and it isn't making since to me right now | 12:43 |
| bmonty_laptop | s/since/sense | 12:43 |
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| slomo | _thierry: that's probably not critical enough for -updates | 12:44 |
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| Burgundavia | Unfrgiven, ping | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | -updates is for critical fixes only | 12:44 |
| crimsun | bmonty_laptop: yes, just ask elmo to sync it and to override the Ubuntu changes | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | mdz has to review *everythin* for -updates | 12:45 |
| bmonty_laptop | crimsun: ok, thats what I thought...thanks for the help | 12:45 |
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| crimsun | bmonty_laptop: np | 12:45 |
| crimsun | _thierry: it's suitable for dapper; just change the distro | 12:45 |
| _thierry | crimsun : and how do I change the distro? | 12:46 |
| crimsun | _thierry: use dch -Ddapper, or just edit it manually | 12:46 |
| _thierry | crimsun : like changing every appearance of breezy in the patch by dapper? | 12:46 |
| crimsun | _thierry: no, just your change | 12:47 |
| crimsun | _thierry: gksu (1.3.0-1ubuntu12) dapper; urgency=low | 12:47 |
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| _thierry | crimsun : not dapper-updates? | 12:48 |
| crimsun | _thierry: can't be dapper-updates, we haven't even released dapper | 12:48 |
| bmonty_laptop | what is the best email for elmo? | 12:48 |
| _thierry | crimsun : ok I see, they I ask again ajmitch or someone like that? | 12:49 |
| crimsun | james.troup@canonical or james.troup@u.c | 12:49 |
| _thierry | then * | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | bmonty_laptop, ohyah@ridethewildelmo.com | 12:49 |
| Kyral | I swear I have to change the "Depends" section to something in control if I make it Arch-Indep | 12:49 |
| crimsun | _thierry: yes | 12:49 |
| bmonty_laptop | thanks | 12:50 |
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| _thierry | ajmitch : ok I have some change for gksu for dapper (absolute icon path bug) can I sen you my patch by e-mail ? | 12:51 |
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| bmonty_laptop | _thierry: you can attach the debdiff to the bug in malone, then anyone with upload rights can take a look at it | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | do I need debhelper for a very simple, small package? | 12:54 |
| _thierry | bmonty_laptop : wich bug? I made the change following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath | 12:55 |
| Burgundavia | _thierry, file a bug on gksudo and attach the patch | 12:55 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: how are you going to generate the deb otherwise? | 12:55 |
| _thierry | ok then | 12:55 |
| bmonty_laptop | _thierry: sorry I assumed you were working on malone bugs... | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: I don't know. This thing just runs make. no ./configure, no nothing. I don't want to overkill it. What is the bare minimum I need in debian/rules? | 12:56 |
| \sh | LaserJock: which package? which software? | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | \sh: http://icculus.org/~jcspray/plotdrop/ | 12:57 |
| _thierry | Burgundavia : are you sure filing a bug is a good idea? Because the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath is pretty long and if we file a bug for each package, it will be very long | 12:59 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: are you using cdbs or anything? | 12:59 |
| Burgundavia | _thierry, that way the bug doesn't get lost being sent to a single person | 01:00 |
| _thierry | Burgundavia : k | 01:00 |
| Burgundavia | _thierry, plus you get karma for filing bugs in malone | 01:00 |
| _thierry | Burgundavia : and what is karma? | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: not yet, probably won't if it is a simple thing | 01:00 |
| Burgundavia | _thierry, anytime you do work in lp, you get karma | 01:00 |
| \sh | _thierry: yeah it's actually a good idea | 01:00 |
| Kyral | I <3 Makefiles | 01:01 |
| Kyral | I mean like normal Makefiles :D | 01:01 |
| \sh | LaserJock: what about the hoary package? | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | _thierry, more bugs are not a bad idea, especially if tere is already a fix for it | 01:01 |
| \sh | LaserJock: is it worth it to work on, or do you think it's better to do a debian/* rewrite? | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | \sh: well, I have never made a package from scratch and I think this prog would be really nice so I wanted to do it all myself | 01:02 |
| Kyral | is LibGnomeUi-2.0 not in Dapper yet? | 01:02 |
| slomo | sure it is | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | \sh: BTW what info could I get from the .deb without the source package? | 01:02 |
| Kyral | tell that to my search pattern | 01:03 |
| slomo | it's in libgnomeui-0 | 01:03 |
| bmonty_laptop | Burgundavia: that email for elmo that you gave me doesn't work | 01:04 |
| Kyral | wouldn't libgnome2-dev install it? | 01:04 |
| Kyral | guess not... | 01:04 |
| slomo | Kyral: libgnomeui-dev will | 01:04 |
| slomo | Kyral: libgnomeui depends on libgnome but not the other way around ;) | 01:04 |
| Kyral | yah | 01:04 |
| Burgundavia | bmonty_laptop, it is a joke | 01:04 |
| Kyral | So is it overkill to have libgnomeui and libgnome in the same builddeps? | 01:04 |
| slomo | Kyral: it doesn't hurt ;) i usually add everything that configure.ac mentions | 01:05 |
| bmonty_laptop | Burgundavia: k :) | 01:05 |
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| Kyral | Yanno what I can't read that thing, I don't understand it ;P | 01:06 |
| Kyral | So i'm gonna keep running PBuilder until I get it right :P | 01:06 |
| slomo | hehe | 01:06 |
| _thierry | crimsun : when I do grep -E "^Icon=\/usr\/" /usr/share/applications/*.desktop | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dlocate I get the options list of dlocate... | 01:06 |
| Kyral | God I love having a local Dapper mirror | 01:07 |
| Kyral | 34 MB worth of packages, downloaded in less than 2 secs | 01:07 |
| crimsun | _thierry: copy and paste error? It works fine here. | 01:07 |
| crimsun | (Dapper) | 01:07 |
| _thierry | thierry@modemcable163:~$ grep -E "^Icon=\/usr\/" /usr/share/applications/*.desktop | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dlocate | 01:08 |
| _thierry | Usage: dlocate [option] [string...] | 01:08 |
| _thierry | Options: | 01:08 |
| _thierry | (no option) string list all records that match | 01:08 |
| _thierry | -S string list records where files match | 01:08 |
| _thierry | -L package list all files in package | 01:08 |
| _thierry | crimsun : any idea? | 01:09 |
| Kyral | Is it a good idea once this thing builds in my Dapper PBuilder to see if it builds in Breezy, Sarge, and Sid? | 01:10 |
| slomo | Kyral: when you want to target these too... yes | 01:10 |
| Kyral | Then is it bad that I named it with an Ubuntu string? :P | 01:10 |
| crimsun | _thierry: doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm not completely functional atm (low blood sugar) | 01:11 |
| slomo | Kyral: no... for ubuntu you'll need -0ubuntu1 ;) | 01:12 |
| Kyral | thats what I did | 01:12 |
| Kyral | I meant if I want to put it in Debian ;P | 01:12 |
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| slomo | when you want this in debian you'll need to make it -1... nothing to worry about now :P the first thing for debian would be to find a sponsor anyway... can be really hard ;) | 01:13 |
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| Kyral | ;P | 01:13 |
| slomo | yes, he for example ;) but he has maybe 5 packages by me in his queue now... and many other things ;) | 01:14 |
| Kyral | I think I also have Simon Law(Izzat right?) who could help me | 01:14 |
| Kyral | he signed my GPG Key at Ubuntu Love | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: yes? | 01:14 |
| Kyral | read up ;P | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | why the ':p' for everything? | 01:15 |
| Kyral | because half the time I'm joking around :D | 01:15 |
| magnon | ":p" is universal | 01:15 |
| Kyral | and I actually don't know why I felt like it? | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | magnon: universal, but not for every sentence.. :) | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: if you want me to sponsor stuff, I might add it to my queue | 01:15 |
| Kyral | hihi | 01:16 |
| Kyral | I think I'll get it into Ubuntu first :D | 01:16 |
| slomo | ajmitch: you'll get another package for your queue soon ;) sda should finally build in experimental ;) | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | slomo: yay | 01:16 |
| Kyral | experimental == sid? | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | no | 01:16 |
| Kyral | or experimental == etch? | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | no | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | debian has stable, testing, unstable | 01:17 |
| crimsun | experimental is just experimental | 01:17 |
| slomo | ajmitch: and i have to try for banshee and deps if they're ready for experimental | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | experimental == experimental | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | and experimental which isn't a distribution to install | 01:17 |
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| Kyral | Wasn't that supposed to be the deal with Sid? | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | this is for stuff not yet for sid | 01:18 |
| Kyral | ooooo | 01:18 |
| Kyral | You don't know how much you have intrigued me | 01:18 |
| crimsun | careful | 01:18 |
| crimsun | down that path, the 'b' word lies | 01:19 |
| Kyral | I assume I can build a PBuilder for it by copying my Sid tgz and other stuff and just upgrading it | 01:19 |
| Kyral | Broken? | 01:19 |
| crimsun | no, the other 'b' | 01:19 |
| Kyral | bad? | 01:19 |
| \sh | siretart: the wrap up talks started already? | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | yes | 01:20 |
| Kyral | I'll just make a PBuilder for it | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | mark is talking now | 01:20 |
| Kyral | oooh | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | what if a package doesn't come with a man page? Do I need to make one? | 01:21 |
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| Kyral | I showed pictures I took at Ubuntu Love, and people thought Mark was a woman | 01:21 |
| \sh | doesn't matter private life is more important right now | 01:21 |
| === Kyral thinks he will build a PBuilder for this "experimental" | ||
| Kyral | I want my packages to be bulletproof after all :D | 01:23 |
| magnon | \sh: group photo now! | 01:24 |
| \sh | fck | 01:24 |
| Kyral | Hey does the new version of dput have REVU in there automatically? | 01:27 |
| bmonty_laptop | according to the changelog it does | 01:27 |
| Kyral | niiiice | 01:27 |
| Kyral | Hohoh! It builds in Dapper! | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: what does? | 01:37 |
| Kyral | FlowDevelop | 01:37 |
| Kyral | now to clean it up | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | cool | 01:37 |
| Kyral | W: flowdesigner source: changelog-should-mention-nmu | 01:38 |
| Kyral | wtf? | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: i think that is a debian thing | 01:38 |
| bmonty_laptop | Kyral: it is saying your name is in the changelog, but you aren't the maintainer | 01:39 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: in debian if someone who is not the "maintainer" uploads something they are supposed to put NMU in the changelog | 01:39 |
| bmonty_laptop | for debian that is a non-maintainer upload (NMU) | 01:39 |
| Kyral | but my name is in the Maintainer field | 01:39 |
| crimsun | disregard it | 01:40 |
| crimsun | it's probably the old -0ubuntuX issue | 01:41 |
| minghua | I think crimsun is correct | 01:45 |
| === Kyral smacks himself | ||
| Kyral | I'm an idiot | 01:45 |
| Kyral | I deleted the orig.tar.gz | 01:45 |
| Kyral | Thank god its still in the Result cache | 01:45 |
| _thierry | crimsun could you check the patch at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bluefish/+bug/3946 just be sure I'm doing alright? | 01:45 |
| crimsun | _thierry: sure | 01:47 |
| crimsun | _thierry: looks fine, thanks. | 01:48 |
| Kyral | E: flowdesigner source: build-depends-indep-without-arch-indep | 01:48 |
| Kyral | wazzat mean | 01:48 |
| minghua | Kyral: run lintian with --info :-) | 01:49 |
| minghua | or some option similar to that | 01:49 |
| minghua | Kyral: I guess it's complaining that you have a Build-Depends-Indep line in debian/control, but don't build any arch:all package | 01:50 |
| Kyral | should this package be an Arch: All package? | 01:50 |
| === Kyral is still confused on the difference between Any and All | ||
| minghua | Kyral: no, arch:all is something architecture independent | 01:52 |
| minghua | therefore the -Indep suffix | 01:52 |
| Kyral | so stuff like interpreted langs? | 01:52 |
| Kyral | ie, Perl, Python, etc? | 01:53 |
| minghua | yes, like perl modules | 01:53 |
| minghua | if the source is C/C++, it should be arch:any | 01:53 |
| Kyral | ty | 01:53 |
| Kyral | how do I know if .ex files are being used? | 01:54 |
| crimsun | _thierry: hmm, that bug has already been fixed in the previous upload | 01:56 |
| crimsun | _thierry: I'm closing it, see the changelog for the current one (http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/b/bluefish/bluefish_1.0.1-0ubuntu3/changelog). I just verified by looking at the patch attached by bddebian. | 01:57 |
| minghua | Kyral: there are not used at all, you need to either modify and rename them, or delete them | 01:57 |
| Kyral | so if I didn't' | 01:57 |
| Kyral | touch 'em delete'em | 01:57 |
| crimsun | _thierry: actually, you should go ahead and close it. | 01:58 |
| crimsun | _thierry: cite the changelog from 1.0.1-0ubuntu3. | 01:58 |
| crimsun | (his wording is imprecise, but his patch is correct) | 01:58 |
| _thierry | crimsun : ok but why was the bug still in the source package? | 02:00 |
| crimsun | no idea, but debian/patches/ contains a patch for it. | 02:00 |
| Kyral | okay trimmed the package down, and the only Lintain errors I am getting are those NMU ones | 02:01 |
| Kyral | linda is clean | 02:01 |
| crimsun | rockin' | 02:01 |
| Kyral | now to see if it still builds ;D | 02:01 |
| _thierry | crimsun : I don't like that, having a patch who's not applied is pretty strange | 02:02 |
| crimsun | _thierry: it's probably suitable to work with a new upstream version | 02:03 |
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| crimsun | (1.0.4, that is) | 02:04 |
| Kyral | Only thign I don't like about this package is how long it takes to compile | 02:05 |
| _thierry | crimsun : ok following your advice, closing the bug | 02:06 |
| _thierry | crimsun : I have also posted #3941 and #3947 | 02:07 |
| _thierry | if you want to take a quick look | 02:08 |
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| crimsun | _thierry: I'll cite your patch in the changelog for 1.0.4-1ubuntu1 | 02:09 |
| _thierry | I don't have the permission to close a malone bug... anyone could help me (give me permission or close a bug for me?) | 02:09 |
| crimsun | I'll close it | 02:09 |
| _thierry | k thanks | 02:09 |
| Kyral | If this builds it will be ready for REVU | 02:10 |
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| minghua | so how the MOTUs are using dapper now? | 02:21 |
| Kyral | I'm not a MOTU but I'm on Dapper | 02:21 |
| minghua | I just tried upgrading my breezy chroot to dapper, but it seems ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable right now | 02:21 |
| minghua | so I had to settle for x-window-system-core and gnome-core | 02:22 |
| Kyral | why the hell is your PBuilder having Ubuntu-Desktop? | 02:22 |
| crimsun | minghua: I'm on Dapper | 02:22 |
| minghua | Kyral: no, I'm not talking about a pbuilder, I'm talking about a chroot I can work in | 02:22 |
| Kyral | ah | 02:22 |
| crimsun | at this point Dapper is fairly stable | 02:23 |
| Kyral | Prolly I didn't have the problem with Ubuntu-Desktop because I don';t have it ;P | 02:23 |
| minghua | I need to work on my scim pacakges (which is X input method, so needs X for testing, and preferrably many X apps) | 02:23 |
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| Kyral | crimsun, since the closest "standard" Ubuntu I have would be to Xubuntu, should I install Xubuntu-Desktop? | 02:23 |
| minghua | crimsun: yes, I agree it's stable (my barebone gnome works fine now) | 02:23 |
| crimsun | Kyral: whichever works for you | 02:24 |
| Kyral | I love having a hodgepodge of stuff :D | 02:24 |
| Kyral | I'm afraid to remove GNOME though... | 02:24 |
| minghua | crimsun: but the problem is that evince, sound-juicer and some other apps are uninstallable right now, which makes ubuntu-desktop broken | 02:24 |
| Kyral | dunno what it would do to my system | 02:24 |
| crimsun | minghua: right | 02:24 |
| minghua | crimsun: and I didn't upgrade from an installed breezy | 02:24 |
| minghua | crimsun: I just upgraded from an X-less breezy chroot | 02:25 |
| minghua | in hindsight, I should have installed ubuntu-desktop in breezy, then upgrade | 02:25 |
| minghua | oh well | 02:25 |
| crimsun | _thierry: uploaded. | 02:26 |
| crimsun | out for dinner, back later. | 02:26 |
| _thierry | crimsun : thanks! you have upload rights?? | 02:27 |
| _thierry | crimsun : I also opened #3951 | 02:28 |
| Kyral | Built | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: installs ok? | 02:35 |
| Kyral | checking | 02:35 |
| Kyral | Seems so | 02:36 |
| Kyral | doesn't have a Desktop file though | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | hmm, can you put one in ? | 02:37 |
| Kyral | I dunno how to make one | 02:37 |
| Kyral | nor where it would go | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | check out wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile | 02:38 |
| Kyral | what if there is no Icon | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | not sure | 02:41 |
| Kyral | This thing doesn't even show up in the Debian Menus | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | Kyral:? | 02:41 |
| Kyral | It isn't listed in the Debian menus | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | If it doesn't have a .desktop file I don't think it will | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | maybe I'm wrong about that though | 02:42 |
| Kyral | No, there are apps in there w/o .desktop files | 02:42 |
| Kyral | Its GUI, but it needs at least a Debian menufile | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: it needs a .desktop file. I don't think it should go in the Debian menu at all | 02:46 |
| Kyral | LaserJock, I'm sayin' if I can't make a .desktop file I can at least make it so it appears in the Debian Menu | 02:47 |
| Kyral | I can make a menufile in the debian dir | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: well, I think we should work on a .desktop file. We have a whol list of packages that appear only on the debian menu. I don't think we should be contribute | 02:48 |
| minghua | That's a good question | 02:49 |
| minghua | I don't know what is ubuntu's position on this issue | 02:49 |
| minghua | I never use debian issue myself | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: take a look at a package that has a .desktop file | 02:49 |
| Kyral | Can I make a .desktop file without modifying the source... | 02:49 |
| Kyral | LaserJock, I did | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | yes, but it in /debian | 02:49 |
| Kyral | And I'm also going for full compatablity with Debian on this one | 02:50 |
| Kyral | IIRC the .desktop files are only used in GNOME and KDE, right? | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | no they are the freedesktop.org standard | 02:50 |
| Kyral | the other WMs use the Debian Menu, right? (Correct me if I am wrong) | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | they shouldn't but they probably do | 02:51 |
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| LaserJock | I think that point is that we should all be moving towards the freedesktop.org standard | 02:51 |
| Kyral | Yanno what I'll make both | 02:52 |
| Kyral | I just want this package to be DONE | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: it is probably ok, but we should not make a package that has only Debian menus. | 02:52 |
| Kyral | You're gonna make me compile this thing again.... | 02:59 |
| Kyral | This thing takes like an hour to compile | 03:02 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: well, as my dad used to say, "it builds character" | 03:05 |
| Kyral | Yanno what | 03:05 |
| Kyral | lets just email the devs with the next pack that this produces and ask them for an icon | 03:06 |
| Kyral | THEN we can make a desktop file | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: that sounds reasonable | 03:06 |
| Kyral | right now I really wish I had HyperThreading | 03:08 |
| Kyral | Because I'm compiling and prelinking at the same time and I somehow think that isn't good for my CPU | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | what kind of machine are you running? | 03:11 |
| Kyral | SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu (Debian) GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.14-ck1-UltimateInsaneFreedomDestinyDarknessAndLight, LIBC 2.3.5, GNU Bash Shell | CPU AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2700+, 2333Mhz, 256KB Cache, 4673 BMIPs | MEM 173/500MB RAM Used, 48/1333MB Swap Used | STORAGE 4.7GB ReiserFS, 6.5GB Ext3, 9.4GB ReiserFS, 10MB TmpFS, 154GB ReiserFS, 251MB TmpFS, 266GB ReiserFS | STATS Uptime 1.93d, Users 1(2), Procs 138(678070), Load 1.80 | X11 1280x1024x24 | 03:11 |
| Kyral | you had to give me an excuse to use that ;P | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: how did you get all that info? | 03:13 |
| Kyral | SystemInfo script | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | cool. I am running on a AMD XP 2100+ (actually an oc 1800+) with 768 MB Ram | 03:15 |
| Kyral | I used to have a 2100 | 03:16 |
| Kyral | then I got this 2700+ | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | I am saving up for an AMD64 | 03:16 |
| Kyral | if you have the right Mobo chipset you are supposed to be able to O/C to 2.9 GHz | 03:16 |
| Kyral | but all I can get is 2.3 | 03:16 |
| Kyral | up from 2.1 | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | I'm at 1.7 :( | 03:17 |
| Kyral | Heard the nForce boards allow you to unlock your chip with just the flip of a BIOS option | 03:17 |
| Kyral | I'll upgrade to AMD64 like next summer | 03:18 |
| Kyral | For me it isn't how fast the chip is, its how fast I can MAKE it go | 03:18 |
| tseng | oh yeah | 03:18 |
| tseng | thats a great idea.. | 03:19 |
| Kyral | so I'll always take the chip that O/C's better | 03:19 |
| tseng | while you are at it, build on reiser4 | 03:19 |
| Kyral | Nah | 03:19 |
| Kyral | tseng, I monitor my temps very carefully | 03:19 |
| Kyral | and I don't feel like jumping my VCore just yet | 03:20 |
| tseng | im not sure what an extra 200mhz buys you these days | 03:20 |
| Kyral | though that should allow me to jump the multiplier more | 03:20 |
| Kyral | Yah I actually want more/faster RAM | 03:20 |
| Kyral | the only bad thing about the 2700+ is that is stock FSB is 333 | 03:20 |
| schweeb | meh, overclocking is for chumps. just spec your hardware appropriately and deal with it | 03:20 |
| tseng | schweeb: <3 | 03:21 |
| Kyral | and I have PC3200, so I need to push it to a 400 MHz FSB | 03:21 |
| Kyral | which can't be done without upping the VCore | 03:21 |
| schweeb | you have a machine that runs Gentoo, don't you :P | 03:21 |
| Kyral | me? | 03:21 |
| schweeb | y | 03:21 |
| Kyral | no, did you not see my stats? | 03:21 |
| Kyral | Ubuntu 6.04 The Dapper Drake | 03:22 |
| tseng | oh man you ran a stats script in here? | 03:22 |
| Kyral | I am insulted! | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | schweeb: I used to run Gentoo on mine | 03:22 |
| tseng | please kindly never do that again | 03:22 |
| Kyral | LaserJock, asked me for my computer stats | 03:22 |
| Kyral | I know I know :P | 03:22 |
| tseng | i dont care who asked you | 03:22 |
| tseng | we dont allow scripts | 03:22 |
| Kyral | Believe me I know. Back on the Undernet it was a bannable offense | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | tseng: sorry for my ignorance, what was the problem? | 03:23 |
| schweeb | not to insult anyone, but my opinion of Gentoo is low for most cases | 03:23 |
| Kyral | schweeb, mine is as well, which is why I was insulted that you suggest that I run Gentoo ;P | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | schweeb: I can understand that. I had fun with it but now I am on Ubuntu only | 03:23 |
| tseng | LaserJock: the problem is that allowing people to run scripts that spit out half a page of useless garbage invites more and more | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | Gentoo is lots of fun. I really like it | 03:23 |
| tseng | LaserJock: so.. zero tolerance | 03:23 |
| Kyral | Yah I wont again | 03:24 |
| tseng | lets all get back to the topic, please | 03:24 |
| schweeb | Kyral: well, there's a certain profile that most Gentoo users fit in, and that includes O/C | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | tseng: oh, OK. sorry about that | 03:24 |
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| Kyral | schweeb, its prolly since I built this thing while I was running XP | 03:24 |
| tseng | schweeb: you too. | 03:24 |
| Kyral | and thus it is quite overpowered for a Linux machine | 03:24 |
| schweeb | tseng: yes yes, I ended it, I was already headed there. | 03:25 |
| === Kyral shuts up | ||
| tseng | schweeb: *hugs* | 03:25 |
| schweeb | tseng: where you living at again? MD? | 03:25 |
| tseng | schweeb: West Chester PA | 03:25 |
| Kyral | WHat would speed up compile times more? Faster CPU or Faster RAM? | 03:25 |
| schweeb | ahh | 03:25 |
| tseng | Kyral: cache, ram, bus, cpu.. | 03:26 |
| tseng | they are all important | 03:26 |
| schweeb | all of the above | 03:26 |
| Kyral | which is cheaper though ;P | 03:26 |
| tseng | probably ram | 03:26 |
| tseng | s/probably // | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | can you put dpatch apply-all in build: ? | 03:27 |
| schweeb | more RAM probably helps more than faster RAM to a certain extent | 03:27 |
| tseng | LaserJock: better somewhere before configure | 03:27 |
| Kyral | espcially since I cannot use the power of PC3200 at the moment | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | tseng: there is no configure | 03:27 |
| tseng | build is ok I guess | 03:27 |
| tseng | there isnt a hard rule | 03:27 |
| tseng | before stuff starts configure/building | 03:28 |
| LaserJock | tseng: as long as it is before make though, right? | 03:28 |
| tseng | yes | 03:28 |
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| minghua | I think a "patch" target would be nice | 03:28 |
| minghua | much more friendly to other people looking at your package | 03:28 |
| minghua | there should be a target that gives the source tree you are going to use for building (and preferably documented) | 03:29 |
| minghua | according to some discussion on planet.debian.org a few weeks ago | 03:30 |
| tseng | somewhere in the "we hate dpatch" slapfest? | 03:30 |
| minghua | it's Joey Hess's opinion by the way | 03:30 |
| tseng | yes we respect joey | 03:30 |
| minghua | tseng: yes, and I think they've got a point | 03:30 |
| tseng | yes | 03:30 |
| minghua | the point about having a target for getting only the patched source tree | 03:31 |
| tseng | we didnt know | 03:31 |
| tseng | dpatch seemed much easier for everyone to us | 03:31 |
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| tseng | lesson learned. | 03:31 |
| tseng | hm i should make a snapshot of muine | 03:32 |
| === Kyral signs | ||
| Kyral | Compiled CLEAN | 03:32 |
| Kyral | and the .menu file I made works | 03:32 |
| minghua | I use dpatch for all my packages too | 03:33 |
| minghua | and I am going to add a debian/README.build for this | 03:33 |
| tseng | its fine for your own packages | 03:33 |
| Kyral | LaserJock, email the devs and tell them that I managed to make a debpack for Ubuntu Dapper that is available upon request | 03:33 |
| tseng | will you put it on REVU? | 03:34 |
| tseng | hi koke | 03:34 |
| Kyral | I kinda want the dev approval first | 03:34 |
| tseng | if he wanted to give you approval he wouldnt have written an open source software | 03:34 |
| tseng | but your call :) | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | can somebody take a look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4130 for me | 03:35 |
| Kyral | I'll upload it to REVU | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: the only thing is the .desktop file | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: you can alway update it later but we need to make sure that gets in | 03:35 |
| Kyral | Yah I'm just tired after working on this thing all day | 03:36 |
| Kyral | dput revu *.changes right? | 03:36 |
| tseng | LaserJock: looks ok to me | 03:36 |
| tseng | LaserJock: nice use of patch/unpatch | 03:36 |
| tseng | but you need to include dpatch.mk | 03:36 |
| tseng | for that to work | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | tseng: right, thanks for reminding me | 03:37 |
| tseng | np | 03:37 |
| minghua | LaserJock: what is the build-stamp file for? | 03:37 |
| minghua | LaserJock: as your install depends on build | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | minghua: i need to take the build-stamp out | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | I am just adjusting the dh_make rules file | 03:38 |
| bmonty_laptop | anyone good with debconf? (check out #3922) | 03:39 |
| Kyral | uploaded to REVU | 03:39 |
| bmonty_laptop | I know what the problem is, but I'm unsure of how to fix it | 03:39 |
| Kyral | bmonty_laptop, mind providing a full link? | 03:39 |
| bmonty_laptop | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mediawiki/+bug/3922 | 03:39 |
| Kyral | Its in REVU | 03:41 |
| Kyral | Now to test it against Breezy, Sarge, and Sid | 03:43 |
| Kyral | Sid build in progress | 03:48 |
| Kyral | We will know in an hour if it builds ;P | 03:51 |
| Kyral | LaserJock, I made a note on the MOTUScience page that FlowDevelop is in REVU | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: ok , good work | 03:55 |
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| Kyral | Check this out | 03:57 |
| Kyral | http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=133 | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | not sure about this one | 04:00 |
| Kyral | nani? | 04:01 |
| minghua | the screenshot looks very OpenGL-ish to me | 04:01 |
| Kyral | It is.... | 04:01 |
| Kyral | is there anything wrong with OGL? | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but I'm not sure if it is significantly different from stuff already in Debian/Ubuntu | 04:02 |
| Kyral | It isn't in Debian/Ubuntu | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | I would like us to make sure that we have the packages already in Ubuntu in good shape | 04:02 |
| minghua | do we have GNOME chemistry utils packaged? | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: but there are other programs that do the same thing | 04:03 |
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| Kyral | ill check | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | minghua: not sure. i think that somebody was looking at it | 04:03 |
| === Kyral shrugs | ||
| Kyral | Can't win them all | 04:03 |
| minghua | quality is more importatnt than quantity | 04:03 |
| === Kyral nods and suddenly collapses backward into his chair | ||
| Kyral | okay...tired. | 04:04 |
| bmonty_laptop | so if a package defaults to use apache2, should the debconf template default to install the config files in the apache2 conf.d? | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | FlowDesigner is nice because it could be a LabView clone potentially which would be very exciting in the experimental science world | 04:04 |
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| minghua | Kyral: I am not against OpenGL, it's just much harder to package | 04:04 |
| bmonty_laptop | LabView is lots of money | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | bmonty_laptop: oh yeah | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | bmonty_laptop: I have to make my own programs because my boss thinks LabView is a waste of time | 04:05 |
| bmonty_laptop | I think the latest is about $2.5k per dev license....just bought it at work a couple of weeks ago | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | bmonty_laptop: yeah, it can be cool for sure. I just don't like the price tag | 04:06 |
| bmonty_laptop | I always thought that the best feature was the instrument libraries...not having to dig though the manuals for the GPIB commands was worth it to me :) | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | bmonty_laptop: man, i wish I could do that. I have to program all the GPIB stuff and National Instuments GPIB drivers still only work on 2.4 kernels | 04:08 |
| bmonty_laptop | I haven't really used labview since probably 95 or 96...my experience with it is probably very dated | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | what kind of header do you need to use dpatch? | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | crap, dpatch is confusing me now | 04:14 |
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| Kyral | It builds in SID | 04:19 |
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| LaserJock | tseng: ping? | 04:33 |
| tseng | yes? | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | I am confused as to what I need to as an include in rules for dpatch | 04:33 |
| tseng | dpatch.mk | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | tseng: isn't that for cdbs? | 04:34 |
| tseng | include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make | 04:34 |
| tseng | no | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | oh, ok | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | thanks | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | is it imperative that a package has a man page? | 04:42 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: programs should all have man pages | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: if one doesn't exist is it ok to make one for it | 05:01 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: actively encourged :) | 05:02 |
| Riddell | makek it in docbook | 05:02 |
| Riddell | make | 05:02 |
| Kyral | Okay, whatever update to Evolution today happened, it broke Beagle | 05:10 |
| Lathiat | im sure lots of thigns are broken ;) | 05:12 |
| Kyral | Yah, but this is the first time something has actually broken on ;P | 05:13 |
| tseng | beagle is working fine with evolution for me | 05:15 |
| Kyral | http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4132 | 05:17 |
| tseng | update evo-sharp | 05:18 |
| Kyral | System is up to dote | 05:18 |
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| bmonty_laptop | can you send email to <bug #>@bugs.launchpad.net to add posts to a bug? | 05:23 |
| Kyral | I reloaded XFCE and its better | 05:23 |
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| bmonty_laptop | time for bed...night all | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | good night bmonty_laptop | 05:49 |
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| LaserJock | any MOTU around? | 07:15 |
| Lathiat | yeh, sup? | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | I am trying to package a small program. It want's to intsall a .glade file in /usr/share/ where should it go? | 07:18 |
| Lathiat | traditionally /usr/share/<package> | 07:20 |
| Lathiat | e.g. /usr/share/avahi/avahi-discover.glade | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | ok, thanks that is what I was thinking | 07:21 |
| Lathiat | some things use /usr/share/<package/interfaces/blah.glade | 07:21 |
| Lathiat | probably more preference in that area than anything | 07:21 |
| minghua|dapper | quite a few use /usr/share/<name>/glade/*.glade as well | 07:22 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | ok | 07:22 |
| minghua|dapper | just do a find /usr/share -name "*.glade" in dapper :-) | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | minghua|dapper: that was very informative ;-) | 07:28 |
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| zakame | heya | 08:23 |
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| zakame | hi all, anyone up? | 08:47 |
| schweeb | I am, kinda | 08:51 |
| zakame | what's up? | 08:59 |
| schweeb | not much, trying to get my server up and runnin again | 09:03 |
| schweeb | nothing real exciting. | 09:03 |
| zakame | hihi | 09:10 |
| zakame | I was hoping a MOTU would revu my package :( | 09:10 |
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| schweeb | sorry, not MOTU yet :( | 09:40 |
| Lathiat | zakame: wassit called? | 09:48 |
| zakame | Lathiat: libmemcache :) | 09:50 |
| zakame | it's at revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=863 | 09:50 |
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| zakame | wb hunger | 10:03 |
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| unormal | @jaldhar: Don't we have an IRC meeting today or am I wrong? | 10:13 |
| zakame | unormal: the motu meeting? | 10:13 |
| unormal | zakame: No, a yast4debian meeting. | 10:14 |
| zakame | unormal: ah | 10:14 |
| Lathiat | that sounds ugly | 10:16 |
| zakame | what? | 10:17 |
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| zakame | wb zyga | 10:19 |
| schweeb | Lathiat: and painful | 10:19 |
| Lathiat | and ugly | 10:19 |
| zyga | zakame: hello :-) | 10:19 |
| zyga | how are you this morning? :) | 10:20 |
| zakame | zyga: making a ticket :) | 10:23 |
| zakame | you? | 10:23 |
| zyga | zakame: fixing everything i18n-wise :) | 10:23 |
| zyga | it's shocking how much stuff just ignores i18n | 10:24 |
| zakame | indeed | 10:24 |
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| zakame | wb magnon | 10:47 |
| magnon | morning :P thanks | 10:47 |
| magnon | I need to go to bed | 10:47 |
| zakame | been up all night? | 10:48 |
| magnon | been out all night | 10:48 |
| magnon | you will get pictures on the wiki. :p | 10:48 |
| zakame | cool! | 10:48 |
| magnon | just had a few drinks with ogra, mark, jdub, etc. in the hotel reception | 10:50 |
| magnon | and now it should be time for sleep soon | 10:50 |
| zakame | ooh, so that's where the revu-wers have gone to! | 10:52 |
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| magnon | yes, that is why reinhardt isn't doing anything :P | 10:53 |
| zyga | magnon: oh, tell ogra I need to talk to him | 10:53 |
| magnon | but the spec for revu2 has been written | 10:53 |
| magnon | zyga: gone to bed, it's kinda 5am | 10:54 |
| zyga | magnon: right :) | 10:54 |
| magnon | I could let him know if I remember | 10:54 |
| magnon | but I don't think any of us will be much online tomorrow... only day off from UBZ and people are traveling too | 10:54 |
| zyga | ubz is coming to an end? :) | 10:55 |
| ivoks | middle :) | 10:55 |
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| magnon | yeah, middle | 10:57 |
| magnon | only launchpad now though | 10:57 |
| magnon | distro people are going home | 10:57 |
| zakame | oh | 10:58 |
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| magnon | except poor pitti who has to work on launchpad :P | 11:01 |
| zakame | awww | 11:01 |
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| shutdownrunner | I'm looking for sb, who could devote 2 minutes to me and help me make a deb package of screem. I mean I have problem with the last stage namely dpkg-buildpackage | 11:12 |
| zakame | what's with dpkg-buildpackage? | 11:13 |
| shutdownrunner | The program compiles fine with ./configure && make, but with dpkg-buildpackage I'm getting this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4151 | 11:13 |
| zakame | hmmm, seems your ./configure forgot to link with some library | 11:15 |
| ivoks | yup | 11:16 |
| ivoks | you don't have one library | 11:16 |
| zakame | do you have libgtk2.0-dev and libglade-dev as build-depends? | 11:16 |
| shutdownrunner | yes I have them. With ./configure && make the program compiles without any problems | 11:17 |
| shutdownrunner | but with dpkg-buildpackage it can't find some libs | 11:17 |
| Nafallo | hmm, sounds like I should upload my screem or something :-P | 11:17 |
| zakame | i screem! :p | 11:17 |
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| zakame | shutdownrunner: could you use debuild, then put the resulting .build in the pastebin? | 11:18 |
| === Nafallo puts screem 0.15.1-1ubuntu1 on http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/packages/ | ||
| ivoks | shutdownrunner: if you run ./configure, it finds out what libs you have | 11:18 |
| shutdownrunner | Nafallo:the latest one is 0.16:) | 11:18 |
| ivoks | shutdownrunner: and builds with them | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | ah, time to update then... | 11:19 |
| ivoks | shutdownrunner: if you run dpkg-buildpackage, then it runs it's own ./configure with options | 11:19 |
| ivoks | shutdownrunner: if you are missing a lib, then it can't build | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | I wonder if debian has it yet | 11:19 |
| === ivoks wants xen :) | ||
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| zakame | shutdownrunner: yes, iirc you have to explicitly set the build flags in debian/rules | 11:20 |
| zakame | wb pef | 11:20 |
| shutdownrunner | ivoks:I'm not missing any lib. It can't find these libs for some unknown reason when build with dpkg-buildpackage | 11:20 |
| ivoks | shutdownrunner: i just told you why | 11:20 |
| pef | hello | 11:20 |
| ivoks | shutdownrunner: i bet you don't gave gnome print development package | 11:21 |
| ivoks | shutdownrunner: libgnomeprint2.2-dev libgnomeprintui2.2-dev | 11:21 |
| ivoks | or something... | 11:22 |
| ivoks | anyway, i have to reboot | 11:23 |
| zakame | tc ivoks | 11:23 |
| shutdownrunner | Nafallo:could you send me your control file for screem? maybe I did make some mistake in it | 11:23 |
| Nafallo | shutdownrunner: just use debian exprimental and uupdate | 11:24 |
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| Nafallo | experimental even | 11:30 |
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| Nafallo | hmm | 11:32 |
| Nafallo | built happily :-) | 11:32 |
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| Nafallo | shutdownrunner: deb-src at the same URL last mentioned :-P | 11:34 |
| Nafallo | and amd64 deb :-) | 11:34 |
| zakame | bye all | 11:41 |
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| shutdownrunner | Nafallo:It's good to hear that it compiles for you. I know that I could compile it from deb-src, but what I want is to learn how to make a package from the beginning to the end:) | 11:52 |
| Nafallo | shutdownrunner: ah, oki. feel free to use the packages I made for reference :-). | 11:53 |
| Nafallo | (ubuntu2 soon to be uploaded to local repo ;-)) | 11:53 |
| shutdownrunner | just a question. this problem with dpkg-buildpackage could be caused only by incorrect control configuration or maybe sth else rules or whatever? | 11:54 |
| Nafallo | shutdownrunner: looks like you have missed a Build-Dep, so yea :-) | 12:01 |
| shutdownrunner | Nafallo:Tack sa mycket. | 12:03 |
| Nafallo | shutdownrunner: sls | 12:07 |
| shutdownrunner | vad betyder det pa engelska | 12:07 |
| Nafallo | shutdownrunner: no problem | 12:08 |
| shutdownrunner | Nafallo:ok:) | 12:09 |
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| hunger | How do I install python stuff? Does that go into /usr/lib/pytho2.4/site-packages or directly into python2.4? | 12:27 |
| alexamici | hunger: usually a distutils modules installs under site-packages (do you use 'python setup.py install'?) | 12:30 |
| hunger | alexamici: Is that the proper place to install a deb into? | 12:30 |
| hunger | alexamici: The Makefile uses: python setup.py install --home="$(DESTDIR)/usr | 12:31 |
| alexamici | hunger: (for python2.4) yes | 12:31 |
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| hunger | Wow, building debs is really easy! Doing it properly is rather hard though. | 12:34 |
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| hunger | dunkelgeist: Have you looked in the rosetta module of launchpad.ubuntu.com? | 12:35 |
| alexamici | hunger: looks like --home tries to install under an unusual place. i have never encountered that | 12:35 |
| hunger | alexamici: So should I leave that out? | 12:35 |
| hunger | alexamici: The files end up in .../tmp/usr/lib/pytho-2.4/site-packages/*, so I think it can stay. | 12:37 |
| alexamici | hunger: if the modules go there i think it's fine to leave it. | 12:38 |
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| hunger | Hey! The whole mess builds now! lintian does not like it too much, but I do get debs and they even seem to have some contents;-) | 12:55 |
| === hunger is happy: His first set of debs. | ||
| Tonio_ | siretart: kdelibs4-dev resolved, I'm uploading the dapper tellico package | 12:57 |
| Mez | Tonio_, you mean the libopenssl thing? | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: it is apparently resolved ;) | 01:01 |
| Mez | yeah | 01:01 |
| Mez | was done a couple of days ago | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: 25 packages waiting for me....... hard day in perspective ;) | 01:02 |
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| zakame | hello all | 01:31 |
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| siretart | just a test | 01:45 |
| siretart | morning everybody! | 01:45 |
| jsgotangco | moin siretart | 01:45 |
| zakame | hi siretart! :) | 01:45 |
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| SloMoSnail | hi everybody :) | 01:46 |
| zakame | hi slomo | 01:46 |
| siretart | hey * | 01:47 |
| siretart | getting up is quite hard sometimes :/ | 01:47 |
| zakame | hehe especially after a party :)) | 01:47 |
| jsgotangco | party? | 01:48 |
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| zakame | wb Seveas | 01:49 |
| Seveas | ty | 01:50 |
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| tseng | unormal: please turn off public away for this channel. thanks. | 02:04 |
| Seveas | unormal, please turn that off in here | 02:04 |
| Seveas | lol :) | 02:04 |
| zakame | hihi | 02:04 |
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| unormal | tseng and Seveas: I don't know how but will leave anyway. Sorry for the inconvenience. | 02:20 |
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| Kyral | Mornin' | 03:37 |
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| bmonty_laptop | good morning everyone | 04:06 |
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| Kyral | morning guys | 04:33 |
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| HiddenWolf | Guys, can I close 3956 as total crack? | 04:50 |
| bmonty_laptop | HiddenWolf: sounds like he needs to install Xen | 04:52 |
| HiddenWolf | My piont exactly | 04:52 |
| HiddenWolf | wontfix/notforus | 04:52 |
| bmonty_laptop | I think it is a valid feature request, but acpi is definately the wrong package | 04:53 |
| HiddenWolf | it's not going to happen for dapper. | 04:53 |
| === Lathiat looks | ||
| HiddenWolf | it /might/ work for dapper+1 if xen hits 1.0 | 04:54 |
| HiddenWolf | even then, OSX and other linux/windows/bsds would need to support this in order to be remotely useful. | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | actually | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | its not such a bad feature request | 04:54 |
| bmonty_laptop | HiddenWolf: yeah | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | you can make grub boot into a specific OS on next boot | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | ditto lilo | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | oh | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | i see it is a bit more than that tho | 04:54 |
| Lathiat | its half-rack ;) | 04:55 |
| Lathiat | crack | 04:55 |
| bmonty_laptop | can launchpad forward bugs to Microsoft? | 04:56 |
| tseng | uh | 04:56 |
| highvoltage | bmonty_laptop: if only. then we could do some large scale DoS attacks using lp. | 05:00 |
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| HiddenWolf | I've changed it to grub, but should probably piont seb128 to it too. | 05:01 |
| bmonty_laptop | i sent an email to 3922@bugs.launchpad.net, but it doesn't show up in the bug....is that supposed to work? | 05:07 |
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| Kyral | yo | 06:39 |
| slomo_ | hi Kyral | 06:39 |
| Kyral | sup | 06:39 |
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| Kyral | hoy Mez! | 06:45 |
| Mez | hi | 06:45 |
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| hub | hi | 07:10 |
| bmonty_laptop | hi hub | 07:11 |
| magnon | hub! | 07:16 |
| hub | hey | 07:18 |
| hub | it is sunday | 07:19 |
| magnon | yes | 07:19 |
| magnon | indeed | 07:19 |
| magnon | hub: any group photos yet? | 07:24 |
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| hub | magnon: haven't downloaded the pictures yet | 07:29 |
| hub | I started doing the dishes from Friday | 07:29 |
| magnon | oh | 07:29 |
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| Kyral | hey all | 08:00 |
| bmonty_laptop | hi Kyral | 08:01 |
| Kyral | damnit the Forums are down | 08:02 |
| slomo_ | oh... what happens when i upload a lesser version than the one in the archvies? ;) | 08:02 |
| Kyral | the older one rules? | 08:02 |
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| === Kyral wonders how long until XChat 2.6.0 enters Sid or Dapper | ||
| Kyral | I have half a mind to package it myself | 08:05 |
| bmonty_laptop | Kyral: what is new in XChat 2.6.0? | 08:06 |
| Kyral | Uhh | 08:06 |
| === Kyral goes to grab the Changelog | ||
| bmonty_laptop | nevermind, I'll check their website | 08:06 |
| Kyral | Yah | 08:06 |
| Kyral | I mean it must be a lot since they jumped version numbers | 08:07 |
| Kyral | http://www.xchat.org/changelog.txt | 08:07 |
| slomo_ | ah... when uploading a older version it gets REJECTED... fine :) | 08:07 |
| bmonty_laptop | hmm...their website seems to be down :( | 08:09 |
| Kyral | You sure? | 08:09 |
| Kyral | click on the link | 08:09 |
| bmonty_laptop | yup, not loading | 08:10 |
| Kyral | Hmm, loads fine for me | 08:10 |
| Kyral | Should I go ahead and make a debpack? | 08:11 |
| bmonty_laptop | sure | 08:11 |
| bmonty_laptop | I'll help if you want | 08:12 |
| Kyral | sure | 08:12 |
| Kyral | Its written in.... | 08:12 |
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| Kyral | Actually this looks easy | 08:14 |
| Kyral | it uses AutoConf!! | 08:14 |
| Kyral | I love it when people make my life easy :D | 08:15 |
| bmonty_laptop | looks like lots of nice changes | 08:16 |
| Kyral | yah | 08:16 |
| bmonty_laptop | I'd start from the existing package | 08:16 |
| Kyral | will it be Arch All or Arch Any though | 08:16 |
| Kyral | uhh, I dunno how to patch ;P | 08:17 |
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| bmonty_laptop | get the original source tarball, extract it, and then copy the debian directory from the existing package | 08:17 |
| Kyral | or the sourceball from the repos | 08:18 |
| bmonty_laptop | my method is to make a new directory, apt-get source xchat, then put the new version source tarball there and extract it | 08:19 |
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| bmonty_laptop | actually, xchat is main, so it probably isn't worth messing with | 08:21 |
| Kyral | meh.... | 08:21 |
| Kyral | Curse my lack upload privs | 08:21 |
| Kyral | I don't care I'll make it anyway so I can put off homework! | 08:22 |
| bmonty_laptop | I might put it in a local archive for now, and then let it upgrade when dapper gets the new version | 08:23 |
| Kyral | do I have to alter control then... | 08:26 |
| Kyral | I copyied the Debian dir from the 2.4.4 ball | 08:26 |
| Kyral | and updated the Changelog | 08:26 |
| bmonty_laptop | I'd try building that and see if it works | 08:27 |
| Kyral | should be good to go then | 08:27 |
| bmonty_laptop | there are a bunch of patches that will probably fail to apply | 08:27 |
| Kyral | Isn't our job to fix things like this? ;P | 08:28 |
| bmonty_laptop | for universe packages through | 08:28 |
| bmonty_laptop | s/through/though | 08:28 |
| Kyral | I don't think the main boys will mind us making life easier for them ;P | 08:29 |
| Kyral | PBuild in progress in the Dapper PBuilder | 08:32 |
| Kyral | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] | 08:32 |
| highvoltage | what does PBuild do? | 08:32 |
| Kyral | Clean build environment | 08:32 |
| bmonty_laptop | highvoltage: pbuilder builds packages in a clean chroot environment | 08:33 |
| highvoltage | ah. | 08:33 |
| Kyral | bmonty_laptop, it looks like its trying to apply a patch that is already fixed | 08:33 |
| bmonty_laptop | basically a base system, plus the build depends for the package you are working on | 08:33 |
| bmonty_laptop | Kyral: yeah, probably need to remove most of the patches in the patch dir | 08:33 |
| Kyral | Should I hit n? | 08:33 |
| bmonty_laptop | Kyral: why not? | 08:34 |
| Kyral | and the build failed ;P | 08:34 |
| Kyral | So nuke all the patches? | 08:34 |
| bmonty_laptop | Kyral: I don't know...some might still be required | 08:35 |
| Kyral | yah | 08:35 |
| Kyral | like the default to freenode | 08:35 |
| Kyral | I'll look at the buildlog and see the trouble | 08:36 |
| lfittl | Kyral: Keep only the following patches and it should work: serverlist, terminal, browser, url-pattern, add_chillfactory, ubuntu, lpi, casecomp | 08:36 |
| Kyral | fix_flashing was the trouble ;P | 08:36 |
| Kyral | what about default to freenode, autoconf, translations? | 08:37 |
| lfittl | you need to modify them to work | 08:37 |
| lfittl | i am currently trying to package this too ;) | 08:37 |
| Kyral | let us join forces | 08:38 |
| lfittl | sure :) | 08:38 |
| lfittl | any idea what the autoconf patch actually does? | 08:39 |
| Kyral | Build in progress | 08:39 |
| Kyral | nope, sounds like it applies a custom config | 08:39 |
| Kyral | DHolbach was the last to touch the package so maybe he knows | 08:40 |
| lfittl | maybe it adds liblaunchpad-integration somewhere to the linking process | 08:40 |
| Kyral | maybe | 08:40 |
| Kyral | freenode default is self-explainitory | 08:40 |
| Kyral | and I have no clue why its failing, you'd think it would work | 08:41 |
| lfittl | where exactly is it failing? | 08:41 |
| Kyral | # Applying patch 36_default_to_freenode.patch | 08:42 |
| Kyral | patching file src/common/servlist.c | 08:42 |
| Kyral | Hunk #1 FAILED at 842. | 08:42 |
| Kyral | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/common/servlist.c.rej | 08:42 |
| lfittl | i think thats because the location of this patch seems to have moved | 08:42 |
| Kyral | like where in the code structure? | 08:42 |
| lfittl | dont know.. | 08:43 |
| highvoltage | how about making irc.ubuntu.com a cname for the freenode server, and make that the default server for ubuntu with #ubuntu-chatters as a default channel? | 08:44 |
| highvoltage | sorry, i'm just butting in on the tail-end here. ignore me :) | 08:44 |
| tseng | uh | 08:44 |
| lfittl | Kyral: lets skip the freenode patch and add it later | 08:45 |
| Kyral | All the patch does is remove the ChatJunkies network as the default and makes Freenode default | 08:45 |
| Kyral | yah | 08:45 |
| Kyral | Odd that patch was originally applied to XChat 2.0.8.... | 08:46 |
| Kyral | Pbuilding again | 08:47 |
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| tsume | would it be possible to include http://www.cacert.org's CA with ca-certificates? | 08:47 |
| lfittl | somewhere in the configure file the -llaunchpad-integration is missing, because my pbuild keeps failing with linking errors | 08:49 |
| Kyral | You mean in like control? | 08:50 |
| Kyral | hold on lemme build it to see | 08:50 |
| tsume | I can install the cert via website, but it would be nice if this were included | 08:50 |
| bmonty_laptop | tsume: file a bug in lanuchpad on ca-certificates | 08:51 |
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| tsume | bmonty_laptop: hmm. alright | 08:52 |
| bmonty_laptop | s/lanuchpad/launchpad | 08:52 |
| Kyral | I think thats what that translation patch does | 08:52 |
| === tsume is tired of patheic verisign. security should be free :) | ||
| Kyral | handles Launchpad | 08:52 |
| bmonty_laptop | tsume: agreed! | 08:52 |
| lfittl | ok then lets try to integrate it again | 08:53 |
| Kyral | gotcha | 08:53 |
| Kyral | hey do you get this | 08:54 |
| Kyral | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file po/xchat.pot | 08:55 |
| Kyral | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file config.guess | 08:55 |
| Kyral | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file config.sub | 08:55 |
| tsume | I guess everyone could create their own CA :) instead of self signing and getting a message all the time, but then the CA list would get HUGE :) | 08:55 |
| bmonty_laptop | tsume: I use my own CA for my servers...people who want to access my services can download my CA cert | 08:56 |
| lfittl | Kyral: no i did not saw this, what does it mean? | 08:56 |
| Kyral | when you do a dpkg-buildpackage | 08:57 |
| tsume | bmonty_laptop: true, I've done that.. but it feels so nice if there is a central station for a CA :) | 08:58 |
| tsume | bmonty_laptop: do you know if firefox/mozilla support multiple CNs? | 08:59 |
| tsume | bmonty_laptop: its the only way to use vhost SSL | 08:59 |
| bmonty_laptop | tsume: not sure, I think as long as it can verify the CA it is happy | 08:59 |
| tsume | bmonty_laptop: without giving an error? ;) | 09:00 |
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| lfittl | Kyral: still searching these errors | 09:00 |
| lfittl | s/error/warning | 09:01 |
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| bmonty_laptop | slomo_: can you please take a look at #3242, and upload if it looks ok (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lbreakout2/+bug/3242) | 09:01 |
| bmonty_laptop | tsume: yeah, if it knows about the CA, and you trust the CA it doesn't give an error afaik | 09:02 |
| tsume | bmonty_laptop: well I meed a invalid error | 09:02 |
| tsume | bmonty_laptop: since I know moz/ff didn't support multiple CNs in the past in one certificate | 09:03 |
| Kyral | I started with a clean source tree | 09:03 |
| lfittl | me too, which patches have you removed? | 09:04 |
| slomo_ | bmonty_laptop: sure | 09:04 |
| bmonty_laptop | tsume: why not use one cert for each vhost? | 09:05 |
| tsume | bmonty_laptop: I mean for all vhosts on one IP address | 09:06 |
| Mithrandir | tsume: sure it does, just use subjectAltName | 09:06 |
| tsume | bmonty_laptop: there is a spec to actually let the client hint the host address, but no browser implements it yet :( | 09:07 |
| tsume | before the cert is downloaded and sent | 09:07 |
| lfittl | what are fuzzy translations? ("1200 translated messages, 2 fuzzy translations.") | 09:08 |
| Kyral | Questionable ones? | 09:08 |
| lfittl | k | 09:08 |
| Kyral | Maybe we actually should let Main handle | 09:10 |
| Kyral | this | 09:10 |
| lfittl | good idea, seems to be a lot of work, especially if we dont know what each patch does | 09:12 |
| lfittl | anything else we could package? | 09:13 |
| slomo_ | lfittl: sure... loads of stuff... look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates | 09:18 |
| Kyral | Can I say that once and for all we will NOT package Azureus? | 09:18 |
| slomo_ | no | 09:19 |
| tsume | Kyral: heh | 09:19 |
| Kyral | Then why haven't we yet? | 09:19 |
| slomo_ | because it needs a complete jre :P | 09:19 |
| tsume | Kyral: because jva sucks | 09:19 |
| slomo_ | it doesn't run with classpath | 09:19 |
| tsume | Krbuild it yourself | 09:20 |
| Kyral | It would allow me to stop dealing with "How do I install Azureus" questions on the Forums | 09:20 |
| slomo_ | when this gets fixed there will be a package | 09:20 |
| tsume | Kyral: then find a way to run Azureus with gcj | 09:20 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: iirc there are azureus packages somewhere | 09:20 |
| Kyral | Yah | 09:20 |
| Kyral | in Debian | 09:20 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: azureus _is_ in debian? | 09:20 |
| slomo_ | tsume: it doesn't run with gcj/gij because of missing classes in classpath | 09:20 |
| Kyral | According to the entry in Universe Canditades | 09:20 |
| pietrus | slomo_: perhaps in contrib? | 09:21 |
| tsume | Kyral: its proprietary to Sun java, its not Free | 09:21 |
| Kyral | Calling up the Debian database | 09:21 |
| lfittl | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/azureus | 09:21 |
| slomo_ | oh | 09:21 |
| Kyral | tsume, I know this ;P | 09:21 |
| slomo_ | it's really in unstable | 09:21 |
| slomo_ | but it's a really old version | 09:21 |
| slomo_ | and many open bugs | 09:22 |
| pietrus | and in contrib | 09:22 |
| Kyral | The contrib part matters why? | 09:22 |
| slomo_ | oh, it is a new version... | 09:22 |
| slomo_ | then let's sync it if it works | 09:23 |
| slomo_ | i'll take care of it | 09:23 |
| Kyral | THANK GOD!! | 09:23 |
| tsume | slomo_: what VM will be using it to run? :P | 09:23 |
| Kyral | I answer like 10 Azureus questions a DAY on the Forums | 09:23 |
| slomo_ | tsume: no idea... i'll take a look at it ;) i hope it will run with gij... | 09:23 |
| Kyral | I;m gonna look at Dopi | 09:24 |
| tsume | slomo_: I wonder if kaffee will be able to run it | 09:24 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: spayne wanted to do it... and be sure you get the new version with bundled entagged-sharp | 09:25 |
| tsume | slomo_: kaffe can run eclipse.. | 09:25 |
| Kyral | Oh spayne is working on it? | 09:25 |
| Kyral | Okay | 09:25 |
| slomo_ | tsume: kaffee is only a jvm iirc... the problem lies with the classlib they all use | 09:25 |
| Kyral | nm then | 09:25 |
| Kyral | He should mark it then | 09:25 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: but i don't know where spayne is... he wasn't here the last week afaik | 09:25 |
| tsume | slomo_: oh, heh. Never really used kaffe much. The classlib it uses is not its own? | 09:25 |
| Kyral | Ill take this one | 09:26 |
| Kyral | http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1101 | 09:26 |
| slomo_ | tsume: it's classpath afaik | 09:26 |
| tsume | slomo_: :/ | 09:27 |
| tsume | slomo_: I didn't realize the package was named classpath :) | 09:27 |
| slomo_ | tsume: but as i don't like java, don't know much about it, etc... better look at it yourself ;) | 09:27 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: perfect :) | 09:27 |
| lfittl | Any good reasons why Planeshift isnt packaged? | 09:27 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: please consinder reading the CLI policy | 09:27 |
| Kyral | CLI? | 09:27 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: and for a sample package... look at cowbell ;) | 09:27 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ | 09:28 |
| Kyral | what does CLI mean (aside from Command Line Interface) | 09:28 |
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| slomo_ | Kyral: Common Language Infrastructure | 09:28 |
| tsume | bleh.. mono | 09:29 |
| Kyral | and why do I need to read this :P | 09:30 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: because you won't get your package approved when you don't comply to that policy ;) | 09:30 |
| slomo_ | tsume: you don't like languages running in a virtual machine, do you? ;) | 09:30 |
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| tsume | slomo_: squeak | 09:31 |
| tsume | slomo_: ruby | 09:31 |
| tsume | slomo_: those are the only two vmed based languages I'll accept :) | 09:31 |
| tsume | C, C++ are just peachy with me | 09:31 |
| Kyral | Okay that is making no sense | 09:31 |
| tsume | Kyral: doesnt need to, its futuristic :) | 09:32 |
| slomo_ | tsume: what about python? ;) | 09:32 |
| Kyral | just tell me what I have to do different than normal ;P | 09:32 |
| tsume | slomo_: python is so last 5 years ago :) | 09:32 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: look at the policy... or take my cowbell package as a base and adjust it ;) | 09:33 |
| slomo_ | tsume: what don't you like about mono? ;) | 09:34 |
| tsume | slomo_: Novell's overzealotized advertising about how great the project is. Which is fact there are several incomplete places in the C# implementation and libraries | 09:35 |
| tsume | slomo_: besides the fact I'm seeing Novell "do it again" to another project really makes me in disgust | 09:35 |
| bmonty_laptop | thanks slomo_ | 09:36 |
| slomo_ | tsume: "do it again"? and it's a complete .net 1.1 implementation currently... only 2.0 isn't complete yet | 09:36 |
| slomo_ | bmonty_laptop: np :) | 09:36 |
| slomo_ | tsume: other than that... yes, novell is a bit verbose about it :P | 09:36 |
| Kyral | slomo_, what shoiuld I look at in Cowbell? | 09:37 |
| Kyral | make it a CDBS package? | 09:37 |
| tsume | slomo_: grep the source for "NOT IMPLEMENTED". There are several parts incomplete. Mainly which part I was trying to use are any of the database classes. Db* are incomplete, SqlDb* are incomplete. XSP is _VERY_ noncompliant, and it doens't emulate the latest version either | 09:37 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: you can probably take the complete package and change some strings in some places to get a working package for gnome-rdp | 09:38 |
| tsume | DbCommandBuilder is one of the MOST important database libraries. The fact it isn't complete is a kick in the face for anyone wanting to do serious work | 09:38 |
| Kyral | You mean like Rules/Control/Watch? | 09:38 |
| tsume | its like a kick in the face when you go.. "oh neat, I can write this in C# on linux" then later just say "oh fuck, novell is doing it again" | 09:39 |
| tsume | slomo_: the DbCommand Builder is just a shell. Its been sitting like that for almost a whole year | 09:39 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: yes... control and rules | 09:39 |
| tsume | slomo_: the the answer was RubyOnRails | 09:39 |
| Kyral | We should really write a DevScript for Mono... | 09:39 |
| tseng | a what? | 09:40 |
| tseng | please explain your idea. | 09:40 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: devscript? | 09:40 |
| tsume | slomo_: plus! XSP hung up, even mod_mono. Its so noncompliant. No script out of even the asp.net books would run correctly. Microsoft had a right to block mono out of the conference. Mono/C# is a pipe dream. | 09:41 |
| Kyral | like to let dh_make handle mono :D | 09:41 |
| tseng | tsume: would you kindly take the FUD elsewhere please | 09:41 |
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| Kyral | chill dude | 09:42 |
| tsume | tseng: its not fud, you want proof? I'll point you to each and every file in the SCM | 09:42 |
| Kyral | Humanity Towards Others | 09:42 |
| Kyral | remember dude | 09:42 |
| tsume | tseng: hell, I'll even reinstall mono and video record how mod_mono and XSP acts(since they are one of the same code base) | 09:42 |
| tseng | XSP is one part of a very large project | 09:43 |
| tseng | you are taking issues in XSP as justification for ROFLCOPTER MONO IS TEH SUCK | 09:43 |
| tseng | so please stop. | 09:43 |
| tsume | tseng: erg, wrong | 09:43 |
| Kyral | Please, #ubuntu-offtopic | 09:43 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: azureus won't get in... it _needs_ sun jdk | 09:43 |
| tsume | tseng: even when I asked for help, they were nice in #mono on gimpIRC. but only could comment how it may be more completed in the future | 09:44 |
| tsume | except kangaroo, he seem sto always be in a bad mood :) | 09:44 |
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| tsume | tseng: maybe I will just video record, make logs. then have a article slashdotted. Maybe this will get their attention to finish what they started. | 09:45 |
| tseng | maybe you can take a step back and look at how big the project is and realize that xsp might not be top priority over fixing bugs and making the core implementation solid | 09:46 |
| tseng | and winforms, gtk# | 09:46 |
| tseng | i see no reason to be so agressively peeved over a free software project | 09:47 |
| Mithrandir | tsume: or you could just provide patches. | 09:47 |
| tseng | if it doesnt work how you want, your only option is to fix it | 09:47 |
| tsume | tseng: okay, now. If we take this to reality and the business world, we would see GUI apps are not so popular and web implementations are. | 09:47 |
| Mithrandir | bitching doesn't help at all. It's just destructive. | 09:47 |
| tsume | tseng: therefore its not very intelligent to work on the GUI side first, it would be better to work on the web side of things | 09:48 |
| Mithrandir | that's why MS is making most of their money off the Office suite, right? | 09:48 |
| Mithrandir | since teh web is obviously the future. | 09:48 |
| tseng | novells customers obviously want winforms | 09:48 |
| tseng | which is why they are dumping cash there | 09:48 |
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| tseng | its certainly their perogative to invest as theyd like | 09:48 |
| Kyral | Please, Please please please take this to another channel | 09:48 |
| tseng | as for mono as an open source project | 09:48 |
| Kyral | I do not like fights | 09:48 |
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| tseng | Kyral: no offense but im pretty sure i own this channel. | 09:49 |
| Kyral | oh | 09:49 |
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| tsume | tseng: novell customers wnat winforms? poppycock :P | 09:49 |
| tsume | tseng: I don't bevelieve they want winforms. I believe people like website based applications | 09:50 |
| tseng | tsume: can you think of another reason its been the biggest feature on the roadmap for sometime? | 09:50 |
| Kyral | I just do not like fighting, at all.....I'm sorry | 09:50 |
| tseng | but you can discuss business strategy with them | 09:50 |
| tseng | as far as we are considered if you find a deficiency in software we ship you can fix it | 09:50 |
| tseng | none of this "poppycock" about slashdotting a flamewar over missing features | 09:51 |
| tsume | tseng: then all hope is lost, people want web scripting and ease | 09:51 |
| tseng | i am finished. | 09:51 |
| tsume | tseng: fine | 09:51 |
| Kyral | sorry tseng | 09:51 |
| tseng | Kyral: ok so, what is your idea about "devscripts" again? | 09:53 |
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| tseng | im not sure I followed you | 09:53 |
| ivoks | hi | 09:53 |
| Kyral | make it so its easier to make a CLI Policy complient package | 09:53 |
| ivoks | anyone ever created cpio archive? :) | 09:53 |
| tseng | you want dh_make to just have a profile? | 09:53 |
| tseng | im not sure there is a precedent for that | 09:53 |
| Kyral | umm, I guess so | 09:53 |
| tseng | besides the "cdbs" package | 09:53 |
| tseng | which is pretty crap | 09:54 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: it isn't that hard to make it compliant | 09:54 |
| tseng | dh_make --cdbs or something | 09:54 |
| Kyral | I dunno. Its more like so people who just want to package something don't have to get into the details ;P | 09:54 |
| tseng | yes its only a build-dep and a few lines | 09:54 |
| Kyral | Yah slomo_ scared me when he showed me the Policy Manual | 09:54 |
| tseng | hm if people cant be arsed to understand the policy there will be bigger problems down the line | 09:54 |
| tseng | our cli-policy? | 09:54 |
| Kyral | Debian Policy for Beginners | 09:55 |
| tseng | it is only a few very short pages | 09:55 |
| Kyral | the Debian CLI Policy | 09:55 |
| Kyral | I dunno, maybe I'm slow today then | 09:55 |
| tseng | yes.. i co-authored that | 09:55 |
| tseng | :) | 09:55 |
| tseng | if you look at that and an existing package | 09:55 |
| Kyral | I'm really makin' an idiot of myself today eh? ;P | 09:55 |
| tseng | it shouldnt take that long | 09:56 |
| tseng | no, not really | 09:56 |
| tseng | i felt like an idiot after i thought i had this packaging business all figured out | 09:56 |
| tseng | and met mdz | 09:56 |
| tseng | i had no idea what he was on about | 09:56 |
| Kyral | lol | 09:57 |
| Kyral | It was funny to see him do the Badger dance at Ubuntu Love :D | 09:57 |
| Kyral | Okay, unpacked and debianized as a CDBS so I can shamelessly ripoff slomo_'s cowbell package | 10:00 |
| tseng | yes, thats a good one | 10:00 |
| slomo_ | tseng: except 2 bugs in cdbs, yes ;) | 10:00 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: but be carefull... some mono packages have a native and a non-native part... maybe you have to change it to arch any | 10:01 |
| Kyral | Its already that way | 10:01 |
| tseng | what package is this? | 10:01 |
| Kyral | GNOME-RDP | 10:02 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: "that way"? | 10:02 |
| Kyral | I mean the control file generated already says Arch Any ;P | 10:02 |
| Kyral | I need CLI-Common... | 10:03 |
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| slomo_ | Kyral: you can make it arch all... it's plain c# | 10:04 |
| Kyral | mono stuff, GTK#, GConf#, Glade#, vte#, knock, tightvnc, ssh, and redesktop | 10:04 |
| Kyral | Yanno I'm just gonna leave it and find out when Pbuilder complains ;P | 10:05 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: look at configure.in | 10:06 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: and please get the minimal version right ;) | 10:06 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: everything you need to know about build-depends is there | 10:06 |
| Kyral | If I knew how to read it ;P | 10:06 |
| slomo_ | read it and try to understand it | 10:07 |
| slomo_ | it isn't that hard | 10:07 |
| slomo_ | but you need to package something else before... superstring-sharp | 10:07 |
| slomo_ | whatever that is | 10:07 |
| Kyral | PKG_CHECK_MODULES? | 10:07 |
| slomo_ | for example | 10:07 |
| slomo_ | but you need to package superstring-sharp before | 10:08 |
| Kyral | which is.... | 10:09 |
| slomo_ | and there is no release for this yet | 10:09 |
| slomo_ | http://svn.myrealbox.com/viewcvs/trunk/monoskel-lib/ | 10:09 |
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| slomo_ | only in svn | 10:09 |
| Kyral | where do you see superstring sharp required? | 10:09 |
| slomo_ | omg | 10:10 |
| Kyral | I mean, am I blind? | 10:10 |
| slomo_ | superstring-sharp... tseng, please look at it... i can't believe it... | 10:10 |
| Kyral | ?????? | 10:10 |
| slomo_ | UNSTABLE_INSTALL_ASSEMBLIES="superstring-sharp" | 10:10 |
| slomo_ | INSTALLED_ASSEMBLIES="`$PKG_CONFIG --variable=Libraries $UNSTABLE_INSTALL_ASSEMBLIES`" | 10:10 |
| Kyral | oh | 10:10 |
| slomo_ | tseng: that's the whole library: http://svn.myrealbox.com/viewcvs/trunk/monoskel-lib/src/SuperString.cs?rev=47283&view=auto | 10:11 |
| Kyral | I told you I don't know how to read this thing! | 10:11 |
| slomo_ | tseng: wtf is this? | 10:11 |
| Kyral | *snicker* | 10:11 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: but you were good with finding PKG_CHECK_MODULES :) | 10:11 |
| Kyral | Yah, because I saw something that looked like Debian control code ;P | 10:11 |
| Kyral | slomo_, I don't thing SuperString# will be hard ;P | 10:12 |
| tseng | is this a joke? | 10:12 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: i don't know if we want this mess | 10:12 |
| slomo_ | tseng: no idea... | 10:12 |
| tseng | its one function | 10:12 |
| slomo_ | yes... and that function is... hmm | 10:13 |
| slomo_ | useless?! | 10:13 |
| tseng | yeah | 10:13 |
| slomo_ | i'll ask abock | 10:13 |
| tseng | yeah | 10:13 |
| Kyral | so GNOME-RDP is on hold | 10:13 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: try to compile without it... this can't be real | 10:13 |
| Kyral | lol | 10:13 |
| tseng | it could just call IndexOf on its own | 10:13 |
| tseng | the function isnt much cleaner looking | 10:14 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: try to compile it without superstring-sharp... maybe it's just a joke... | 10:14 |
| tseng | maybe he means to add more to the class | 10:14 |
| Kyral | slomo_, yah | 10:14 |
| slomo_ | superstring isn't somewhere else in the sources... | 10:15 |
| slomo_ | hmm | 10:15 |
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| tseng | http://svn.myrealbox.com/viewcvs/trunk/monoskel-lib/?rev=47283#dirlist | 10:15 |
| tseng | uh | 10:15 |
| tseng | thats the only code in this whole module? | 10:16 |
| slomo_ | yes | 10:16 |
| tseng | amazing. | 10:16 |
| tseng | he autotooled 1 line of code | 10:16 |
| Kyral | lol | 10:17 |
| Kyral | Should I have this depend on Mono? | 10:18 |
| Kyral | or just mono-mcs? | 10:18 |
| slomo_ | depend? build-depend? | 10:18 |
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| tseng | the policy tells you this :) | 10:18 |
| Kyral | build-dep | 10:18 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: policy... it contains some parts for lazy people ;) | 10:18 |
| Kyral | I assume that cli:Depends will take care of the Depends ;P | 10:19 |
| tseng | yes, mostly | 10:19 |
| tseng | not always | 10:19 |
| slomo_ | in this case it will | 10:19 |
| slomo_ | no it won't | 10:19 |
| tseng | clilibs and shlibs together do not always get code that is p/invoked by c# | 10:19 |
| slomo_ | sqlite | 10:19 |
| tseng | so you have to verify yourself | 10:20 |
| slomo_ | there is no p/invoking in this package ;) | 10:20 |
| Kyral | Yah its telling me it needs Mono 1.1.7 | 10:20 |
| tseng | slomo_: if you do all the checking he wont learn anything :) | 10:20 |
| Kyral | so I should make Mono-mcs be >= 1.1.7 | 10:20 |
| tseng | yep | 10:20 |
| slomo_ | tseng: good point... i'll shut up now ;) | 10:20 |
| Kyral | so libsqlite goes into Depends... | 10:21 |
| slomo_ | maybe | 10:21 |
| slomo_ | you need to check which version it uses | 10:21 |
| Kyral | doesn't say | 10:22 |
| Kyral | needed_dlls="Mono.Data.SqliteClient Mono.Posix" <---Thats all I see referring to SQLite | 10:22 |
| slomo_ | tseng? | 10:22 |
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| slomo_ | Kyral: Mono.Data.SqliteClient can be used with sqlite2 and 3 | 10:23 |
| Kyral | gotcha | 10:24 |
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| Kyral | libsqlite3-0! | 10:24 |
| slomo_ | how did you get this? | 10:24 |
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| Kyral | the package? | 10:24 |
| Kyral | I did an apt-cache search for sqlite :D | 10:25 |
| slomo_ | ok, that's no indication that it's the right one ;) | 10:26 |
| Kyral | when it talks about LibGnome I assume it wants libgnome-cli? | 10:26 |
| slomo_ | tseng: abock says this monoskel thingie was just a demo of how to do autotools stuff... | 10:26 |
| slomo_ | tseng: seems like the gnome-rdp guy copied some parts of it ;) | 10:27 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: no | 10:27 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: almost right ;) | 10:27 |
| Kyral | libgnome-dev | 10:27 |
| Kyral | ahh | 10:27 |
| slomo_ | no | 10:27 |
| Kyral | libgnome2.0-cli | 10:27 |
| slomo_ | yes | 10:27 |
| slomo_ | err | 10:28 |
| slomo_ | only look at what is in the PKG_CHECK_MODULES clals | 10:28 |
| slomo_ | calls | 10:28 |
| Kyral | ah okay | 10:28 |
| Kyral | and the one calling for GTK-Sharp is commented out | 10:29 |
| Kyral | there are two calls for gconf-sharp | 10:31 |
| Kyral | one says GTKSHARP the other GCONFSHARP | 10:31 |
| slomo_ | yes | 10:32 |
| slomo_ | braindead configure | 10:32 |
| slomo_ | please beat upstream... they don't know how to use autotools ;) | 10:32 |
| Kyral | so the libgconf2.0-cil will satisfy both? | 10:32 |
| slomo_ | no | 10:33 |
| slomo_ | seems to be a type | 10:33 |
| slomo_ | the first one should be libgtk2.0-cil probably | 10:33 |
| Kyral | so I need libgtk2.0-cil | 10:33 |
| slomo_ | and libgconf2.0-cil | 10:34 |
| slomo_ | yes | 10:34 |
| Kyral | I should fix this then? The typo | 10:34 |
| slomo_ | no | 10:35 |
| slomo_ | it doesn't really hurt hopefully | 10:35 |
| slomo_ | and it would need a bit harder patching | 10:35 |
| Kyral | if it breaks, then fix it ;P | 10:35 |
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| slomo_ | but please tell upstream about all of this | 10:37 |
| tseng | slomo_: i dont know how to use autotools.. please dont beat me | 10:37 |
| Kyral | how busted it is ;P | 10:37 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: yes | 10:37 |
| slomo_ | tseng: i'm not beating you ;) i thought you maybe know how one can get the sqlite version that is used... | 10:37 |
| slomo_ | anyway... it's sqlite2 by default but you can set it to 3 if you want | 10:38 |
| tseng | hm the connection string has it | 10:38 |
| tseng | yeah | 10:38 |
| Kyral | so where should I put sqlite? | 10:38 |
| tseng | depends | 10:38 |
| tseng | libsqlite0 | 10:38 |
| Kyral | oh, PKG_CHECK_MODULES is calling for Mono | 10:38 |
| Kyral | should be alright... | 10:39 |
| slomo_ | then try it in pbuilder | 10:39 |
| Kyral | Can I blantely ripoff your rules file for cowbell? :P | 10:40 |
| tseng | yes | 10:40 |
| tseng | but you should understand what it does | 10:40 |
| Kyral | the shabang defines where make is | 10:40 |
| Kyral | the second two lines include the CDBS tools for Debhelper and Autotools | 10:40 |
| Kyral | next one just exports a directory to be CURDIR | 10:41 |
| Kyral | ack I need to change one line | 10:41 |
| tseng | that part you should understand | 10:41 |
| tseng | the export | 10:41 |
| Kyral | Yah I know the thing about CURDIR | 10:42 |
| slomo_ | and what is MONO_SHARED_DIR? | 10:42 |
| Kyral | no clue | 10:42 |
| tseng | :) | 10:42 |
| slomo_ | then read the policy ;) | 10:42 |
| Kyral | and my rules has been generated with some extras | 10:42 |
| Kyral | DEB_TAR-SRCDIR, DEB_AUTO_CLEANUP_RCS | 10:42 |
| Kyral | and its including the tarball.mk and simple-patchsys,mk | 10:43 |
| slomo_ | hm? | 10:43 |
| tseng | http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ch-mono.html#s7.3 | 10:43 |
| tseng | please read | 10:43 |
| Kyral | DEB_TAR_SRCDIR := gnome-rdp-0.1.3 | 10:43 |
| Kyral | DEB_AUTO_CLEANUP_RCS := yes | 10:43 |
| slomo_ | why are you doing this? | 10:44 |
| Kyral | I didn't | 10:44 |
| Kyral | when I dh_make I selected CDBS it spat it out | 10:44 |
| slomo_ | hm | 10:44 |
| slomo_ | interesting | 10:44 |
| Kyral | Ahh I get about MONO_SHARED_DIR now | 10:45 |
| tseng | great | 10:45 |
| tseng | you see now we wrote a policy doc for a reason :) | 10:45 |
| Kyral | Now what are those two things at the header now? | 10:45 |
| tseng | which | 10:46 |
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| tseng | oh those are probably not needed | 10:46 |
| Kyral | so nuke the includes for them as well? | 10:46 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: it's for unpacking the tarball and clean up svn/cvs/etc leftover stuff... | 10:46 |
| tseng | if you include gnome.mk | 10:46 |
| Kyral | which I'm not, should I? | 10:47 |
| tseng | most everything is as it should be | 10:47 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: it's only needed when you put the tarball in your sourcedirectory and want it to be unpacked lataer | 10:47 |
| tseng | yes | 10:47 |
| Kyral | just need the include for it right? | 10:47 |
| Kyral | I'll leave the source things in there, I don't really understand what htey do | 10:48 |
| Kyral | whats that binary-fixup line about? | 10:50 |
| slomo_ | binary-fixup? | 10:51 |
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| Kyral | yah in your cowbell rules | 10:51 |
| tseng | i see no such thing | 10:51 |
| Kyral | binary-fixup/cowbell:: | 10:51 |
| Kyral | dh_clideps | 10:51 |
| tseng | common-binary-predeb-indep:: | 10:51 |
| tseng | dh_clideps | 10:51 |
| tseng | this is the latest cowbell | 10:51 |
| Kyral | Ah, where is that...I'm looking at the one in REVU | 10:52 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: what version are you looking at? | 10:52 |
| tseng | and is more correct | 10:52 |
| tseng | that must be ancient | 10:52 |
| tseng | we've beaten slomo into shape since then | 10:52 |
| tseng | now he is smarter than me. | 10:52 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: that was _ages_ ago =) | 10:52 |
| slomo_ | tseng: you don't upload broken tarballs ;) so... no i'm not :P | 10:53 |
| Kyral | Is there a way I can view the latest cowbell online? | 10:53 |
| tseng | packages.ubuntu.com | 10:53 |
| Kyral | I'm at the sourcepackage ;P | 10:53 |
| tseng | perfect | 10:54 |
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| Kyral | can I view the rules file? | 10:54 |
| tseng | yes, its in the diff.gz | 10:54 |
| tseng | you have to read it as a patch | 10:55 |
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| Kyral | so I also need DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES | 10:55 |
| Kyral | but I don't need autotools... | 10:56 |
| slomo_ | when you need it... yes | 10:56 |
| Kyral | do I need autotools for C#? | 10:56 |
| tseng | you can use it | 10:56 |
| slomo_ | in which context? | 10:56 |
| Kyral | the cdbs mk | 10:57 |
| tseng | oh you mean the cdbs class | 10:57 |
| tseng | gnome includes it | 10:57 |
| Kyral | yea | 10:57 |
| tseng | so no | 10:57 |
| Kyral | and I don't need that install/cowbell rule b/c I don't have a manpage as of yet (Just want this thing to build, then I can futz around :D) | 10:58 |
| tseng | sure | 10:59 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: but look at the policy for permissions... that's missing in ccowbell currently :o | 10:59 |
| tseng | mm that nasty find | 10:59 |
| Kyral | eh? | 11:00 |
| tseng | should *that* be a helper scripts? | 11:00 |
| tseng | -s | 11:00 |
| tseng | dh_fixcliperms | 11:00 |
| slomo_ | tseng: yes... let's ask meebey... good idea :) | 11:00 |
| tseng | ok. | 11:00 |
| Kyral | Okay I need to go skating, soo | 11:01 |
| Kyral | I'll finish this later | 11:01 |
| Kyral | thanks for your help guys :D | 11:01 |
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| lfittl | Is it ok if I remove all packages from "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates" that are already in breezy? | 11:43 |
| tseng | yes | 11:46 |
| tseng | or in dapper | 11:46 |
| lfittl | k | 11:47 |
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