[12:03] _thierry: am I supposed to be awaiting one? [12:03] <_thierry> cirmsun : well no like RIGHT NOW, but in maybe 10 minutes, you'll get at least one... [12:03] <_thierry> crimsun [12:05] crimsun: ok [12:06] wow, -ENOBRAIN [12:06] crimsun: hahaha [12:06] crimsun: hehe, don't worry... that happenend to me too some weeks ago ;) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] <_thierry> what is package for dch? [12:09] devscripts [12:09] <_thierry> thanks [12:10] hmm === Kyral beats his crontab [12:12] How do I get it working...its not running [12:12] <_thierry> crimsun : crap, dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S doesn't work on gksu package... is there something that changed? [12:12] <_thierry> ho wait a minute... [12:12] <_thierry> sorry, cdbs wasn't installed === viviersf [n=cain@66.103.220.226] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] <_thierry> debian/rules clean [12:15] <_thierry> test -x debian/rules [12:15] <_thierry> test "`id -u`" = 0 [12:15] <_thierry> make: *** [testroot] Erreur 1 [12:15] <_thierry> crimsun : now I really get an error I don't understand [12:15] _thierry: do you have fakeroot? [12:15] _thierry: I think you should do dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot -S [12:15] <_thierry> k... installing fakeroot and then going to try [12:15] yes that will work [12:16] <_thierry> worked! thanks zakame! [12:16] _thierry: no problem :) [12:18] <_thierry> crimsun : by debdiff you mean like file.debdiff or I debdiff to get file.patch? [12:19] _thierry: generate a debdiff between either the .changes, the .dscs, or the .debs [12:19] <_thierry> crimsun : I know but you want a .debdiff file a or .patch file? [12:20] <_thierry> well I don't know, YOU will apply the changes! [12:20] _thierry: whichever's easier for you to generate [12:20] <_thierry> k [12:20] I'm fairly flexible [12:23] <_thierry> crimsun : just sent one for gksu [12:23] <_thierry> crimsun : I'd like to know if that's ok before working on a second one === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] _thierry: ok, looking [12:30] <_thierry> mmm when I try the command grep -E "^Icon=\/usr\/" /usr/share/applications/*.desktop | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dlocate I get xargs : dlocate, no such file or directory... is it because I'm on kubuntu or is there some package missing? [12:31] you have to install dlocate [12:31] (it's not installed by default) [12:31] alternately, you can replace dlocate there with dpkg -S [12:32] <_thierry> crimsun : no package dlocate with apt-get [12:32] <_thierry> k [12:32] dlocate is in universe [12:32] btw, gtksu is in main [12:32] err, gksu [12:32] <_thierry> ho ok! [12:33] you'll have to ask a main uploader for breezy-updates === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:34] otherwise the debdiff looks fine to me [12:34] err, the diff [12:35] <_thierry> crimsun : and where can I get a main uploader for breezy-updates ? [12:35] crimsun: the descrepancy is that the ubuntu patch is for a 0.2.5-7ubuntu1 which would be an ubuntu version of the latest from debian, but that isn't in the archive [12:35] does MoM create that package automatically? [12:36] bmonty_laptop: 0.2.5 _is_ in the archive [12:36] bmonty_laptop: there's no new upstream version at hand here, only the Debian & Ubuntu changes [12:36] debian is at 0.2.5-7 ubuntu is at 0.2.5-4 [12:37] or am I missing something? [12:37] see -4ubuntu1 vs. -7ubuntu1 [12:37] there's nothing amiss [12:39] crimsun: I'm looking at #3193 which has to do with the section the package is in [12:39] <_thierry> crimsun : and where can I get a main uploader for breezy-updates ? [12:39] if I grab the latest source package the control file lists the section at libs [12:40] _thierry: sh, ajmitch, ogra, siretart, or ask in -devel. === minghua [n=minghua@adsl-69-153-128-173.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] bmonty_laptop: reading 3193 [12:41] crimsun: I think we can just sync in the 0.2.5-7 from debian, since they incorporated the ubuntu patch [12:42] debain 0.2.5-6 solves 3193 [12:42] <_thierry> ajmitch : I'd like you to upload a change for breezy-update (absolute icon path bug) can I send you my patch by e-mail? [12:42] http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/libl/liblockfile-simple-perl/liblockfile-simple-perl_0.2.5-7/changelog [12:43] crimsun: sorry, this is kinda trivial, but I want to make sure I understand what is in the merge info and it isn't making since to me right now [12:43] s/since/sense === ajmitch has to get gpg key processed first [12:44] _thierry: that's probably not critical enough for -updates === Burgundavia [n=corey@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] Unfrgiven, ping [12:44] -updates is for critical fixes only [12:45] bmonty_laptop: yes, just ask elmo to sync it and to override the Ubuntu changes [12:45] mdz has to review *everythin* for -updates [12:45] crimsun: ok, thats what I thought...thanks for the help === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] bmonty_laptop: np [12:45] _thierry: it's suitable for dapper; just change the distro [12:46] <_thierry> crimsun : and how do I change the distro? [12:46] _thierry: use dch -Ddapper, or just edit it manually [12:46] <_thierry> crimsun : like changing every appearance of breezy in the patch by dapper? [12:47] _thierry: no, just your change [12:47] _thierry: gksu (1.3.0-1ubuntu12) dapper; urgency=low === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [12:48] <_thierry> crimsun : not dapper-updates? [12:48] _thierry: can't be dapper-updates, we haven't even released dapper [12:48] what is the best email for elmo? [12:49] <_thierry> crimsun : ok I see, they I ask again ajmitch or someone like that? [12:49] james.troup@canonical or james.troup@u.c [12:49] <_thierry> then * [12:49] bmonty_laptop, ohyah@ridethewildelmo.com [12:49] I swear I have to change the "Depends" section to something in control if I make it Arch-Indep [12:49] _thierry: yes [12:50] thanks === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] <_thierry> ajmitch : ok I have some change for gksu for dapper (absolute icon path bug) can I sen you my patch by e-mail ? === blablablabla [n=maniac@i3ED6E0C9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] _thierry: you can attach the debdiff to the bug in malone, then anyone with upload rights can take a look at it [12:54] do I need debhelper for a very simple, small package? [12:55] <_thierry> bmonty_laptop : wich bug? I made the change following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath [12:55] _thierry, file a bug on gksudo and attach the patch [12:55] LaserJock: how are you going to generate the deb otherwise? [12:55] <_thierry> ok then [12:56] _thierry: sorry I assumed you were working on malone bugs... [12:56] crimsun: I don't know. This thing just runs make. no ./configure, no nothing. I don't want to overkill it. What is the bare minimum I need in debian/rules? [12:57] <\sh> LaserJock: which package? which software? [12:57] \sh: http://icculus.org/~jcspray/plotdrop/ [12:59] <_thierry> Burgundavia : are you sure filing a bug is a good idea? Because the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath is pretty long and if we file a bug for each package, it will be very long [12:59] LaserJock: are you using cdbs or anything? [01:00] _thierry, that way the bug doesn't get lost being sent to a single person [01:00] <_thierry> Burgundavia : k [01:00] _thierry, plus you get karma for filing bugs in malone [01:00] <_thierry> Burgundavia : and what is karma? [01:00] crimsun: not yet, probably won't if it is a simple thing [01:00] _thierry, anytime you do work in lp, you get karma [01:00] <\sh> _thierry: yeah it's actually a good idea [01:01] I <3 Makefiles [01:01] I mean like normal Makefiles :D [01:01] <\sh> LaserJock: what about the hoary package? [01:01] _thierry, more bugs are not a bad idea, especially if tere is already a fix for it [01:01] <\sh> LaserJock: is it worth it to work on, or do you think it's better to do a debian/* rewrite? [01:02] \sh: well, I have never made a package from scratch and I think this prog would be really nice so I wanted to do it all myself [01:02] is LibGnomeUi-2.0 not in Dapper yet? [01:02] sure it is [01:02] \sh: BTW what info could I get from the .deb without the source package? [01:03] tell that to my search pattern [01:03] it's in libgnomeui-0 [01:04] Burgundavia: that email for elmo that you gave me doesn't work [01:04] wouldn't libgnome2-dev install it? [01:04] guess not... [01:04] Kyral: libgnomeui-dev will [01:04] Kyral: libgnomeui depends on libgnome but not the other way around ;) [01:04] yah [01:04] bmonty_laptop, it is a joke [01:04] So is it overkill to have libgnomeui and libgnome in the same builddeps? [01:05] Kyral: it doesn't hurt ;) i usually add everything that configure.ac mentions [01:05] Burgundavia: k :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty_laptop listens to the joke whoosing past his head [01:06] Yanno what I can't read that thing, I don't understand it ;P [01:06] So i'm gonna keep running PBuilder until I get it right :P [01:06] hehe [01:06] <_thierry> crimsun : when I do grep -E "^Icon=\/usr\/" /usr/share/applications/*.desktop | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dlocate I get the options list of dlocate... [01:07] God I love having a local Dapper mirror [01:07] 34 MB worth of packages, downloaded in less than 2 secs [01:07] _thierry: copy and paste error? It works fine here. [01:07] (Dapper) [01:08] <_thierry> thierry@modemcable163:~$ grep -E "^Icon=\/usr\/" /usr/share/applications/*.desktop | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dlocate [01:08] <_thierry> Usage: dlocate [option] [string...] [01:08] <_thierry> Options: [01:08] <_thierry> (no option) string list all records that match [01:08] <_thierry> -S string list records where files match [01:08] <_thierry> -L package list all files in package [01:09] <_thierry> crimsun : any idea? [01:10] Is it a good idea once this thing builds in my Dapper PBuilder to see if it builds in Breezy, Sarge, and Sid? [01:10] Kyral: when you want to target these too... yes [01:10] Then is it bad that I named it with an Ubuntu string? :P [01:11] _thierry: doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm not completely functional atm (low blood sugar) [01:12] Kyral: no... for ubuntu you'll need -0ubuntu1 ;) [01:12] thats what I did [01:12] I meant if I want to put it in Debian ;P === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] when you want this in debian you'll need to make it -1... nothing to worry about now :P the first thing for debian would be to find a sponsor anyway... can be really hard ;) === Kyral looks at ajmitch [01:13] ;P [01:14] yes, he for example ;) but he has maybe 5 packages by me in his queue now... and many other things ;) [01:14] I think I also have Simon Law(Izzat right?) who could help me [01:14] he signed my GPG Key at Ubuntu Love [01:14] Kyral: yes? [01:15] read up ;P [01:15] why the ':p' for everything? [01:15] because half the time I'm joking around :D [01:15] ":p" is universal [01:15] and I actually don't know why I felt like it? [01:15] magnon: universal, but not for every sentence.. :) [01:15] Kyral: if you want me to sponsor stuff, I might add it to my queue [01:16] hihi [01:16] I think I'll get it into Ubuntu first :D [01:16] ajmitch: you'll get another package for your queue soon ;) sda should finally build in experimental ;) [01:16] slomo: yay [01:16] experimental == sid? [01:16] no [01:16] or experimental == etch? [01:16] no [01:17] debian has stable, testing, unstable [01:17] experimental is just experimental [01:17] ajmitch: and i have to try for banshee and deps if they're ready for experimental [01:17] experimental == experimental [01:17] and experimental which isn't a distribution to install === markuman [n=supermar@p50927BAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] Wasn't that supposed to be the deal with Sid? [01:18] this is for stuff not yet for sid [01:18] ooooo [01:18] You don't know how much you have intrigued me [01:18] careful [01:19] down that path, the 'b' word lies [01:19] I assume I can build a PBuilder for it by copying my Sid tgz and other stuff and just upgrading it [01:19] Broken? [01:19] no, the other 'b' [01:19] bad? [01:20] <\sh> siretart: the wrap up talks started already? [01:20] yes [01:20] I'll just make a PBuilder for it [01:20] mark is talking now [01:20] oooh [01:21] what if a package doesn't come with a man page? Do I need to make one? === \sh has a phone call now....:( [01:21] I showed pictures I took at Ubuntu Love, and people thought Mark was a woman [01:21] <\sh> doesn't matter private life is more important right now === Kyral thinks he will build a PBuilder for this "experimental" [01:23] I want my packages to be bulletproof after all :D [01:24] \sh: group photo now! [01:24] <\sh> fck [01:27] Hey does the new version of dput have REVU in there automatically? [01:27] according to the changelog it does [01:27] niiiice [01:36] Hohoh! It builds in Dapper! [01:37] Kyral: what does? [01:37] FlowDevelop [01:37] now to clean it up [01:37] cool [01:38] W: flowdesigner source: changelog-should-mention-nmu [01:38] wtf? [01:38] Kyral: i think that is a debian thing [01:39] Kyral: it is saying your name is in the changelog, but you aren't the maintainer === yota [n=seb@home.nmeos.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Tlportation] [01:39] Kyral: in debian if someone who is not the "maintainer" uploads something they are supposed to put NMU in the changelog [01:39] for debian that is a non-maintainer upload (NMU) [01:39] but my name is in the Maintainer field [01:40] disregard it [01:41] it's probably the old -0ubuntuX issue [01:45] I think crimsun is correct === Kyral smacks himself [01:45] I'm an idiot [01:45] I deleted the orig.tar.gz [01:45] Thank god its still in the Result cache [01:45] <_thierry> crimsun could you check the patch at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bluefish/+bug/3946 just be sure I'm doing alright? [01:47] _thierry: sure [01:48] _thierry: looks fine, thanks. [01:48] E: flowdesigner source: build-depends-indep-without-arch-indep [01:48] wazzat mean [01:49] Kyral: run lintian with --info :-) [01:49] or some option similar to that [01:50] Kyral: I guess it's complaining that you have a Build-Depends-Indep line in debian/control, but don't build any arch:all package [01:50] should this package be an Arch: All package? === Kyral is still confused on the difference between Any and All [01:52] Kyral: no, arch:all is something architecture independent [01:52] therefore the -Indep suffix [01:52] so stuff like interpreted langs? [01:53] ie, Perl, Python, etc? [01:53] yes, like perl modules [01:53] if the source is C/C++, it should be arch:any [01:53] ty [01:54] how do I know if .ex files are being used? [01:56] _thierry: hmm, that bug has already been fixed in the previous upload [01:57] _thierry: I'm closing it, see the changelog for the current one (http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/b/bluefish/bluefish_1.0.1-0ubuntu3/changelog). I just verified by looking at the patch attached by bddebian. [01:57] Kyral: there are not used at all, you need to either modify and rename them, or delete them [01:57] so if I didn't' [01:57] touch 'em delete'em [01:58] _thierry: actually, you should go ahead and close it. [01:58] _thierry: cite the changelog from 1.0.1-0ubuntu3. [01:58] (his wording is imprecise, but his patch is correct) [02:00] <_thierry> crimsun : ok but why was the bug still in the source package? [02:00] no idea, but debian/patches/ contains a patch for it. [02:01] okay trimmed the package down, and the only Lintain errors I am getting are those NMU ones [02:01] linda is clean [02:01] rockin' [02:01] now to see if it still builds ;D [02:02] <_thierry> crimsun : I don't like that, having a patch who's not applied is pretty strange [02:03] _thierry: it's probably suitable to work with a new upstream version === Kyral has to make a cronjob that automatically updates his PBuilders every night while he sleeps [02:04] (1.0.4, that is) [02:05] Only thign I don't like about this package is how long it takes to compile [02:06] <_thierry> crimsun : ok following your advice, closing the bug [02:07] <_thierry> crimsun : I have also posted #3941 and #3947 [02:08] <_thierry> if you want to take a quick look === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] _thierry: I'll cite your patch in the changelog for 1.0.4-1ubuntu1 [02:09] <_thierry> I don't have the permission to close a malone bug... anyone could help me (give me permission or close a bug for me?) [02:09] I'll close it [02:09] <_thierry> k thanks [02:10] If this builds it will be ready for REVU === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] so how the MOTUs are using dapper now? [02:21] I'm not a MOTU but I'm on Dapper [02:21] I just tried upgrading my breezy chroot to dapper, but it seems ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable right now [02:22] so I had to settle for x-window-system-core and gnome-core [02:22] why the hell is your PBuilder having Ubuntu-Desktop? [02:22] minghua: I'm on Dapper [02:22] Kyral: no, I'm not talking about a pbuilder, I'm talking about a chroot I can work in [02:22] ah [02:23] at this point Dapper is fairly stable [02:23] Prolly I didn't have the problem with Ubuntu-Desktop because I don';t have it ;P [02:23] I need to work on my scim pacakges (which is X input method, so needs X for testing, and preferrably many X apps) === lllmanulll [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] crimsun, since the closest "standard" Ubuntu I have would be to Xubuntu, should I install Xubuntu-Desktop? [02:23] crimsun: yes, I agree it's stable (my barebone gnome works fine now) [02:24] Kyral: whichever works for you [02:24] I love having a hodgepodge of stuff :D [02:24] I'm afraid to remove GNOME though... [02:24] crimsun: but the problem is that evince, sound-juicer and some other apps are uninstallable right now, which makes ubuntu-desktop broken [02:24] dunno what it would do to my system [02:24] minghua: right [02:24] crimsun: and I didn't upgrade from an installed breezy [02:25] crimsun: I just upgraded from an X-less breezy chroot [02:25] in hindsight, I should have installed ubuntu-desktop in breezy, then upgrade [02:25] oh well [02:26] _thierry: uploaded. [02:26] out for dinner, back later. [02:27] <_thierry> crimsun : thanks! you have upload rights?? [02:28] <_thierry> crimsun : I also opened #3951 [02:34] Built [02:35] Kyral: installs ok? [02:35] checking [02:36] Seems so [02:36] doesn't have a Desktop file though [02:37] hmm, can you put one in ? [02:37] I dunno how to make one [02:37] nor where it would go [02:38] check out wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile [02:40] what if there is no Icon [02:41] not sure [02:41] This thing doesn't even show up in the Debian Menus [02:41] Kyral:? [02:42] It isn't listed in the Debian menus [02:42] If it doesn't have a .desktop file I don't think it will [02:42] maybe I'm wrong about that though [02:42] No, there are apps in there w/o .desktop files [02:46] Its GUI, but it needs at least a Debian menufile [02:46] Kyral: it needs a .desktop file. I don't think it should go in the Debian menu at all [02:47] LaserJock, I'm sayin' if I can't make a .desktop file I can at least make it so it appears in the Debian Menu [02:48] I can make a menufile in the debian dir [02:48] Kyral: well, I think we should work on a .desktop file. We have a whol list of packages that appear only on the debian menu. I don't think we should be contribute [02:49] That's a good question [02:49] I don't know what is ubuntu's position on this issue [02:49] I never use debian issue myself [02:49] Kyral: take a look at a package that has a .desktop file [02:49] Can I make a .desktop file without modifying the source... [02:49] LaserJock, I did [02:49] yes, but it in /debian [02:50] And I'm also going for full compatablity with Debian on this one [02:50] IIRC the .desktop files are only used in GNOME and KDE, right? [02:50] no they are the freedesktop.org standard [02:50] the other WMs use the Debian Menu, right? (Correct me if I am wrong) [02:51] they shouldn't but they probably do === Kyral falls down [02:51] I think that point is that we should all be moving towards the freedesktop.org standard [02:52] Yanno what I'll make both [02:52] I just want this package to be DONE [02:52] Kyral: it is probably ok, but we should not make a package that has only Debian menus. [02:59] You're gonna make me compile this thing again.... [03:02] This thing takes like an hour to compile === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral sighs and revs the PBuilder again [03:05] Kyral: well, as my dad used to say, "it builds character" [03:05] Yanno what [03:06] lets just email the devs with the next pack that this produces and ask them for an icon [03:06] THEN we can make a desktop file [03:06] Kyral: that sounds reasonable [03:08] right now I really wish I had HyperThreading [03:10] Because I'm compiling and prelinking at the same time and I somehow think that isn't good for my CPU [03:11] what kind of machine are you running? [03:11] SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu (Debian) GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.14-ck1-UltimateInsaneFreedomDestinyDarknessAndLight, LIBC 2.3.5, GNU Bash Shell | CPU AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2700+, 2333Mhz, 256KB Cache, 4673 BMIPs | MEM 173/500MB RAM Used, 48/1333MB Swap Used | STORAGE 4.7GB ReiserFS, 6.5GB Ext3, 9.4GB ReiserFS, 10MB TmpFS, 154GB ReiserFS, 251MB TmpFS, 266GB ReiserFS | STATS Uptime 1.93d, Users 1(2), Procs 138(678070), Load 1.80 | X11 1280x1024x24 [03:11] you had to give me an excuse to use that ;P [03:13] Kyral: how did you get all that info? [03:13] SystemInfo script [03:15] cool. I am running on a AMD XP 2100+ (actually an oc 1800+) with 768 MB Ram [03:16] I used to have a 2100 [03:16] then I got this 2700+ [03:16] I am saving up for an AMD64 [03:16] if you have the right Mobo chipset you are supposed to be able to O/C to 2.9 GHz [03:16] but all I can get is 2.3 [03:17] up from 2.1 [03:17] I'm at 1.7 :( [03:17] Heard the nForce boards allow you to unlock your chip with just the flip of a BIOS option [03:18] I'll upgrade to AMD64 like next summer [03:18] For me it isn't how fast the chip is, its how fast I can MAKE it go [03:18] oh yeah [03:19] thats a great idea.. [03:19] so I'll always take the chip that O/C's better [03:19] while you are at it, build on reiser4 [03:19] Nah [03:19] tseng, I monitor my temps very carefully [03:20] and I don't feel like jumping my VCore just yet [03:20] im not sure what an extra 200mhz buys you these days [03:20] though that should allow me to jump the multiplier more [03:20] Yah I actually want more/faster RAM [03:20] the only bad thing about the 2700+ is that is stock FSB is 333 [03:20] meh, overclocking is for chumps. just spec your hardware appropriately and deal with it [03:21] schweeb: <3 [03:21] and I have PC3200, so I need to push it to a 400 MHz FSB [03:21] which can't be done without upping the VCore [03:21] you have a machine that runs Gentoo, don't you :P [03:21] me? [03:21] y [03:21] no, did you not see my stats? [03:22] Ubuntu 6.04 The Dapper Drake [03:22] oh man you ran a stats script in here? [03:22] I am insulted! [03:22] schweeb: I used to run Gentoo on mine [03:22] please kindly never do that again [03:22] LaserJock, asked me for my computer stats [03:22] I know I know :P [03:22] i dont care who asked you [03:22] we dont allow scripts [03:22] Believe me I know. Back on the Undernet it was a bannable offense [03:23] tseng: sorry for my ignorance, what was the problem? [03:23] not to insult anyone, but my opinion of Gentoo is low for most cases [03:23] schweeb, mine is as well, which is why I was insulted that you suggest that I run Gentoo ;P [03:23] schweeb: I can understand that. I had fun with it but now I am on Ubuntu only [03:23] LaserJock: the problem is that allowing people to run scripts that spit out half a page of useless garbage invites more and more [03:23] Gentoo is lots of fun. I really like it [03:23] LaserJock: so.. zero tolerance [03:24] Yah I wont again [03:24] lets all get back to the topic, please [03:24] Kyral: well, there's a certain profile that most Gentoo users fit in, and that includes O/C [03:24] tseng: oh, OK. sorry about that === schweeb reigns himself in [03:24] schweeb, its prolly since I built this thing while I was running XP [03:24] schweeb: you too. [03:24] and thus it is quite overpowered for a Linux machine [03:25] tseng: yes yes, I ended it, I was already headed there. === Kyral shuts up [03:25] schweeb: *hugs* [03:25] tseng: where you living at again? MD? [03:25] schweeb: West Chester PA [03:25] WHat would speed up compile times more? Faster CPU or Faster RAM? [03:25] ahh [03:26] Kyral: cache, ram, bus, cpu.. [03:26] they are all important [03:26] all of the above [03:26] which is cheaper though ;P [03:26] probably ram [03:26] s/probably // [03:27] can you put dpatch apply-all in build: ? [03:27] more RAM probably helps more than faster RAM to a certain extent [03:27] LaserJock: better somewhere before configure [03:27] espcially since I cannot use the power of PC3200 at the moment [03:27] tseng: there is no configure [03:27] build is ok I guess [03:27] there isnt a hard rule [03:28] before stuff starts configure/building [03:28] tseng: as long as it is before make though, right? [03:28] yes === Kyral makes a note to purchase some more RAM that can O/C well [03:28] I think a "patch" target would be nice [03:28] much more friendly to other people looking at your package [03:29] there should be a target that gives the source tree you are going to use for building (and preferably documented) [03:30] according to some discussion on planet.debian.org a few weeks ago [03:30] somewhere in the "we hate dpatch" slapfest? [03:30] it's Joey Hess's opinion by the way [03:30] yes we respect joey [03:30] tseng: yes, and I think they've got a point [03:30] yes [03:31] the point about having a target for getting only the patched source tree [03:31] we didnt know [03:31] dpatch seemed much easier for everyone to us === koke [n=koke@66.103.220.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] lesson learned. [03:32] hm i should make a snapshot of muine === Kyral signs [03:32] Compiled CLEAN [03:32] and the .menu file I made works [03:33] I use dpatch for all my packages too [03:33] and I am going to add a debian/README.build for this [03:33] its fine for your own packages [03:33] LaserJock, email the devs and tell them that I managed to make a debpack for Ubuntu Dapper that is available upon request [03:34] will you put it on REVU? [03:34] hi koke [03:34] I kinda want the dev approval first [03:34] if he wanted to give you approval he wouldnt have written an open source software [03:34] but your call :) [03:35] can somebody take a look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4130 for me [03:35] I'll upload it to REVU [03:35] Kyral: the only thing is the .desktop file [03:35] Kyral: you can alway update it later but we need to make sure that gets in [03:36] Yah I'm just tired after working on this thing all day [03:36] dput revu *.changes right? [03:36] LaserJock: looks ok to me [03:36] LaserJock: nice use of patch/unpatch [03:36] but you need to include dpatch.mk [03:36] for that to work [03:37] tseng: right, thanks for reminding me [03:37] np [03:37] LaserJock: what is the build-stamp file for? [03:37] LaserJock: as your install depends on build [03:38] minghua: i need to take the build-stamp out [03:38] I am just adjusting the dh_make rules file [03:39] anyone good with debconf? (check out #3922) [03:39]