[09:48] <Tonio_> morning everyone
[03:49] <icefox> ping _Sime 
[04:03] <_Sime> icefox: twang! (I might be available later tonight)
[04:39] <icefox> ok, buzz me when you are around
[04:39] <icefox> I was curious what you ment by the fact that the keyboard was hard to find in the system settings
[04:41] <Riddell> icefox: oh, that part might have been me
[04:41] <Riddell> sime wants a new keyboard module thingy
[04:41] <icefox> a new keyboard module thingy?
[04:42] <icefox> something with system settings or in the os?
[04:42] <Riddell> icefox: but the finding the keyboard is a problem because there's a "keyboard" module with nothg very useful and there's the "regional" module with all the useful keyboard stuff
[04:42] <Riddell> icefox: sime wants a new guidance kcontrol module
[04:42] <Riddell> but that's a separate issue
[04:45] <Drakeson> is the sudo issue still there? (just create another user, add it to adm, and sudo groups, and there we are: login using that new user, sudo smothing, and note that no one asks for the password!)
[04:46] <icefox> Riddell: yah the keyboard stuff is a mess
[04:47] <hunger> icefox: I think the shortcuts stuff is even worse...
[04:47] <icefox> ok, just making sure we were on the same page, I'll see if I can't do the same work for 3.5 and 4
[04:47] <icefox> hunger: do you mean the application keyboard shortcuts?
[04:47] <icefox> or shortcuts in general?
[04:47] <hunger> icefox: Botd.
[04:47] <icefox> botd?
[04:48] <icefox> both?
[04:48] <Riddell> Drakeson: "admin" group
[04:48] <Drakeson> Riddell: yeah that one as well
[04:48] <Riddell> Drakeson: does it work on the command line?
[04:49] <hunger> icefox: There are "Global shortcuts", "Shortcut sequences" and "Application Shortcuts" in the control center.
[04:49] <icefox> yah
[04:49] <icefox> I want to clean that up
[04:49] <Drakeson> Riddell: not sure, but told it to someone in #ubuntu, he checked it and approved the bug, but I didn't notice what happened next
[04:49] <hunger> icefox: Then there are more shortcuts to be configured in the apps.
[04:50] <icefox> http://wiki.kde.org/?page=System+Settings
[04:50] <hunger> icefox: And you can set Shortcuts in the menu editor, too. Plus khotkeys (or whatever that gesture/stuff thingy is called).
[04:50] <hunger> icefox: kate even has several inner-app shortcut pages.
[04:51] <icefox> every kde app should have a shortcut configure dialog, but yes kate takes it one more level
[04:51] <Drakeson> Riddell: it was really scary for me, because it kills security badly. just imagine someone publish ascript that does bad things and contains a sudo line, and you don't even notice what happened.
[04:51] <hunger> icefox: It is a pita to try to find out what a key actually does;-)
[04:52] <icefox> yes
[04:56] <Drakeson> hunger, icefox: I think it should be possible for the search bar to search through "Shortcut" col as well as the "Action" col there. And also there should be a way to put "Global Shortcuts" some apps define by themselves into keyboard shortcuts module.
[04:56] <hunger> Drakeson: That would help!
[04:56] <icefox> col?
[04:56] <icefox> column?
[04:56] <Drakeson> column
[04:57] <hunger> Drakeson: Then I only need to find out which config dialog I need to open;-)
[04:57] <icefox> well right now it uses the strings in the desktop file, so if they don't have shortcut we should add them
[04:59] <Drakeson> what's wrong with some apps like say kopete, which have global shortcuts, without any trace in the module we are talking about. (while some apps like klipper have their shortcuts there)
[05:00] <icefox> desktop applications should have shortcuts there (i.e what goes in kdebase)
[05:01] <Drakeson> if an app defines global shortcuts I think it must go there as well.
[05:04] <Drakeson> Riddell: can you check the sudo issue please :D
[05:05] <Riddell> Drakeson: what is the issue?
[05:06] <Drakeson> create a new user, add it to sudo, adm, admin, and login using it. now sudo ls. does it ask for a password?
[05:06] <Drakeson> for me it doesn't
[05:09] <Drakeson> Riddell: another thing: I am really sorry I couldn't manage to find a suitable image for the CD sleeve/cover.
[05:15] <Riddell> Drakeson: do you have SVGs of yor stuff?
[05:15] <Drakeson> yeah, at the same place, just a moment
[05:16] <Riddell> Drakeson: if you get me an SVG of the sort of design you were showing a few days ago I can slap a konqi or kubuntu-girl on it and finish it off
[05:16] <seaLne> can kubuntu-girl get a blue background this time?
[05:17] <Riddell> seaLne: yes defaintly, I was trying to move away from just using blue with the purple but it doesn't work very well
[05:17] <Riddell> well, actually it should have Drakeson's backgrounds
[05:18] <seaLne> i like the idea of a breezy cd having a picture of someone looking at a hoary cd on it :)
[05:18] <apokryphos> seaLne: breezy CD cover hadn't been made yet ;-)
[05:19] <Riddell> of course I'll need a kubuntu-boy for dapper
[05:19] <seaLne> although if you changed it so that she was holding a breezy cd that would be a very nice recursive image :)
[05:19] <Drakeson> Riddell: http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/
[05:20] <Riddell> Drakeson: wonderful
[05:20] <apokryphos> very very sweet
[05:21] <apokryphos> 64 bits, or 64-bit?
[05:22] <Drakeson> that's not final ( or even close to final) because it is not possible to print it for cover, so yes I need to spell check :)
[05:22] <seaLne> not normally plural i'd have said
[05:23] <Drakeson> (and sorry for my never ending missssspellings ;) )
[05:23] <apokryphos> might also be a good idea to have an indication on the Install CD (that it is the Install CD). But it's very n ice; good stuff! :)
[05:24] <apokryphos> Drakeson: more just an unconventional way of writing it; not really a seplling mistake ;-)
[05:25] <Drakeson> anyway, we still need to have something to put on the sleeve, or we can settle on konqi/kubuntu-girl
[05:26] <Drakeson> I was thinking of a computer lab with lot's of computer running kubuntu, but I couldn't find such a lab yet ;)
[05:51] <Drakeson> what do you think of adding something like this (just the concept, the current one is crap) for the cd cover/sleeve?
[05:51] <Drakeson> http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/lab1.png
[05:53] <Riddell> Drakeson: that could work but it would have to be a real photo I think
[05:54] <Riddell> we just need seaLne to install it in a lab at his university quietly one evening
[05:56] <Drakeson> ;) it would be nice if it is a dense, modern computer lab.
[05:56] <Drakeson> I couldn't find a picture of a better computer lab in ggi: yet ;)
[05:59] <Drakeson> I don't have a good camera at the moment. Another idea is something like this: http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/achive.jpg
[06:00] <Riddell> Drakeson: hmm, interesting
[06:01] <Drakeson> honestly I think the current konqi is not good looking enough, but I cannot change it now. 
[06:43] <pef_aw> Riddell: hello, how can I know packages which will be auto mass synced from debian ? like kdissert, I've uploaded a sync from debian to revu, useless work :/
[06:44] <Riddell> pef: everything is synced from debian at start of release cycle unless there is a version number with "ubuntu" in it
[06:44] <pef> Riddell: ok, and where can I see sync progression ?
[06:44] <Riddell> this is fun, kubuntu-girl just got a job working with badgers
[06:45] <Riddell> pef: dapper-changes
[06:45] <DrakeSon> what job?
[06:45] <Riddell> pef: you can also ask for a sync from debian fo -ubuntu packages if you don't mind the ubuntu history being wiped out
[06:45] <pef> Riddell: yes, for already done packages, but what about remaining packages ?
[06:45] <Riddell> Drakeson: vetinary
[06:46] <Riddell> Drakeson: I presume they will be breezy badgers once she has fixed all their illnesses :)
[06:46] <Drakeson> cooool :)
[06:47] <Drakeson> can we have cool/crazy badger image? :D ;)
[06:48] <Riddell> pef: dunno, are there packages still to be done?
[06:48] <Drakeson> or even a silhouette of a real badger may be useful
[06:49] <Riddell> not soon, she's not starting yet
[06:52] <pef> Riddell: I've added a problem with kmail from kde3.5 beta2 to wikipage
[06:53] <Riddell> pef: URL?
[06:54] <pef> Riddell: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[06:55] <Riddell> gosh, lots on that page.  
[06:55] <Riddell> will be very useful for things to look out for when I make proper KDE 3.5 packages
[06:56] <pef> Riddell: I'm working on this bug :)
[06:59] <tvo> speaking about KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems, does anyone else have the problem that "Create Folder" is grayed-out on my usbpen?
[06:59] <tvo> (pasting a new folder works, mkdir works)
[06:59] <hunger> tvo: No, but then I do not have access to your usb pen:-)
[07:00] <hunger> tvo: let me check with mine.
[07:00] <tvo> well, any usbpen :)
[07:01] <hunger> tvo: "Create New" is greyed out here, too.
[07:01] <tvo> oh, sorry, "Create New" was what I meant yeah
[07:02] <tvo> I'll add it to KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems then
[07:02] <hunger> Anyone else having problems with kdesktop?
[07:02] <hunger> It crashes here whenever I click on anything in the background.
[07:13] <tvo> hunger: I think I had that 10 times or so just after upgrading to beta2, but it the problem disappeared..
[07:14] <hunger> tvo: Stays persistent here:-(
[07:14] <Riddell> sebas: your MWG story talks about an "initial charter", that needs to be available online
[07:32] <allee> pef, Riddell: FWIW debian pkger plan to start pkg 3.5 rc1 next weekend.  Maybe keep an eye on #debian-qt-kde?
[07:34] <allee> you want post wikipage url KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems on?  Should I?
[07:35] <pef> allee: please post it, I have t go on a few minutes :)
[07:35] <allee> 'k
[07:36] <allee> pef have a nice internet free evening ;)
[07:37] <pef> allee: thank you :)
[07:37] <pef> bye !
[07:37] <allee> bye pef
[07:38] <Riddell> allee: cool, thanks for the notice
[07:58] <_Sime> icefox: ping
[08:57] <icefox> _Sime|afk: pong
[10:31] <Riddell> Drakeson_away: is there a licence on that artwork?
[11:02] <_Sime> icefox: hey