=== jjesse [i=user@69-87-143-121.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=czessi@dslb-084-059-024-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=czessi@dslb-084-059-024-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=user@69-87-143-121.async.iserv.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jubei [n=jubei@ppp216-152.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jubei [n=jubei@ppp216-152.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef is now known as pef_aw === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:48] morning everyone === olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-243-195.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60731.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-024-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-024-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-024-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-024-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6150F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D14FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === icefox [n=ben@katherline.troll.no] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:49] ping _Sime === Drakeson [n=Drakeson@69.158.166.215] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:03] <_Sime> icefox: twang! (I might be available later tonight) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-9-177.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] ok, buzz me when you are around [04:39] I was curious what you ment by the fact that the keyboard was hard to find in the system settings === icefox wrote that app and wants to improve it [04:41] icefox: oh, that part might have been me [04:41] sime wants a new keyboard module thingy [04:41] a new keyboard module thingy? [04:42] something with system settings or in the os? [04:42] icefox: but the finding the keyboard is a problem because there's a "keyboard" module with nothg very useful and there's the "regional" module with all the useful keyboard stuff [04:42] icefox: sime wants a new guidance kcontrol module [04:42] but that's a separate issue [04:45] is the sudo issue still there? (just create another user, add it to adm, and sudo groups, and there we are: login using that new user, sudo smothing, and note that no one asks for the password!) [04:46] Riddell: yah the keyboard stuff is a mess === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] icefox: I think the shortcuts stuff is even worse... [04:47] ok, just making sure we were on the same page, I'll see if I can't do the same work for 3.5 and 4 [04:47] hunger: do you mean the application keyboard shortcuts? [04:47] or shortcuts in general? [04:47] icefox: Botd. [04:47] botd? [04:48] both? [04:48] Drakeson: "admin" group [04:48] Riddell: yeah that one as well [04:48] Drakeson: does it work on the command line? [04:49] icefox: There are "Global shortcuts", "Shortcut sequences" and "Application Shortcuts" in the control center. [04:49] yah [04:49] I want to clean that up [04:49] Riddell: not sure, but told it to someone in #ubuntu, he checked it and approved the bug, but I didn't notice what happened next [04:49] icefox: Then there are more shortcuts to be configured in the apps. [04:50] http://wiki.kde.org/?page=System+Settings [04:50] icefox: And you can set Shortcuts in the menu editor, too. Plus khotkeys (or whatever that gesture/stuff thingy is called). [04:50] icefox: kate even has several inner-app shortcut pages. [04:51] every kde app should have a shortcut configure dialog, but yes kate takes it one more level [04:51] Riddell: it was really scary for me, because it kills security badly. just imagine someone publish ascript that does bad things and contains a sudo line, and you don't even notice what happened. [04:51] icefox: It is a pita to try to find out what a key actually does;-) [04:52] yes [04:56] hunger, icefox: I think it should be possible for the search bar to search through "Shortcut" col as well as the "Action" col there. And also there should be a way to put "Global Shortcuts" some apps define by themselves into keyboard shortcuts module. [04:56] Drakeson: That would help! [04:56] col? [04:56] column? [04:56] column [04:57] Drakeson: Then I only need to find out which config dialog I need to open;-) [04:57] well right now it uses the strings in the desktop file, so if they don't have shortcut we should add them [04:59] what's wrong with some apps like say kopete, which have global shortcuts, without any trace in the module we are talking about. (while some apps like klipper have their shortcuts there) [05:00] desktop applications should have shortcuts there (i.e what goes in kdebase) [05:01] if an app defines global shortcuts I think it must go there as well. [05:04] Riddell: can you check the sudo issue please :D [05:05] Drakeson: what is the issue? [05:06] create a new user, add it to sudo, adm, admin, and login using it. now sudo ls. does it ask for a password? [05:06] for me it doesn't [05:09] Riddell: another thing: I am really sorry I couldn't manage to find a suitable image for the CD sleeve/cover. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:15] Drakeson: do you have SVGs of yor stuff? [05:15] yeah, at the same place, just a moment [05:16] Drakeson: if you get me an SVG of the sort of design you were showing a few days ago I can slap a konqi or kubuntu-girl on it and finish it off [05:16] can kubuntu-girl get a blue background this time? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:17] seaLne: yes defaintly, I was trying to move away from just using blue with the purple but it doesn't work very well [05:17] well, actually it should have Drakeson's backgrounds [05:18] i like the idea of a breezy cd having a picture of someone looking at a hoary cd on it :) [05:18] seaLne: breezy CD cover hadn't been made yet ;-) [05:19] of course I'll need a kubuntu-boy for dapper === Riddell eyes up seaLne [05:19] although if you changed it so that she was holding a breezy cd that would be a very nice recursive image :) [05:19] Riddell: http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/ [05:20] Drakeson: wonderful [05:20] very very sweet [05:21] 64 bits, or 64-bit? [05:22] that's not final ( or even close to final) because it is not possible to print it for cover, so yes I need to spell check :) [05:22] not normally plural i'd have said [05:23] (and sorry for my never ending missssspellings ;) ) [05:23] might also be a good idea to have an indication on the Install CD (that it is the Install CD). But it's very n ice; good stuff! :) [05:24] Drakeson: more just an unconventional way of writing it; not really a seplling mistake ;-) [05:25] anyway, we still need to have something to put on the sleeve, or we can settle on konqi/kubuntu-girl [05:26] I was thinking of a computer lab with lot's of computer running kubuntu, but I couldn't find such a lab yet ;) === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-9-177.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [05:51] what do you think of adding something like this (just the concept, the current one is crap) for the cd cover/sleeve? [05:51] http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/lab1.png [05:53] Drakeson: that could work but it would have to be a real photo I think [05:54] we just need seaLne to install it in a lab at his university quietly one evening [05:56] ;) it would be nice if it is a dense, modern computer lab. [05:56] I couldn't find a picture of a better computer lab in ggi: yet ;) [05:59] I don't have a good camera at the moment. Another idea is something like this: http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/achive.jpg [06:00] Drakeson: hmm, interesting === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F69A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] honestly I think the current konqi is not good looking enough, but I cannot change it now. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === icefox [n=ben@katherline.troll.no] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DrakeSon [n=Drakeson@user41.vpn.utoronto.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-249-78.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:43] Riddell: hello, how can I know packages which will be auto mass synced from debian ? like kdissert, I've uploaded a sync from debian to revu, useless work :/ === pef_aw is now known as pef [06:44] pef: everything is synced from debian at start of release cycle unless there is a version number with "ubuntu" in it [06:44] Riddell: ok, and where can I see sync progression ? [06:44] this is fun, kubuntu-girl just got a job working with badgers [06:45] pef: dapper-changes [06:45] what job? [06:45] pef: you can also ask for a sync from debian fo -ubuntu packages if you don't mind the ubuntu history being wiped out [06:45] Riddell: yes, for already done packages, but what about remaining packages ? [06:45] Drakeson: vetinary [06:46] Drakeson: I presume they will be breezy badgers once she has fixed all their illnesses :) [06:46] cooool :) [06:47] can we have cool/crazy badger image? :D ;) [06:48] pef: dunno, are there packages still to be done? [06:48] or even a silhouette of a real badger may be useful [06:49] not soon, she's not starting yet === olwin is away: Away at the moment [06:52] Riddell: I've added a problem with kmail from kde3.5 beta2 to wikipage [06:53] pef: URL? [06:54] Riddell: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems [06:55] gosh, lots on that page. [06:55] will be very useful for things to look out for when I make proper KDE 3.5 packages [06:56] Riddell: I'm working on this bug :) [06:59] speaking about KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems, does anyone else have the problem that "Create Folder" is grayed-out on my usbpen? [06:59] (pasting a new folder works, mkdir works) [06:59] tvo: No, but then I do not have access to your usb pen:-) [07:00] tvo: let me check with mine. [07:00] well, any usbpen :) [07:01] tvo: "Create New" is greyed out here, too. [07:01] oh, sorry, "Create New" was what I meant yeah [07:02] I'll add it to KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems then [07:02] Anyone else having problems with kdesktop? [07:02] It crashes here whenever I click on anything in the background. === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.35.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel === olwin is back. [07:13] hunger: I think I had that 10 times or so just after upgrading to beta2, but it the problem disappeared.. [07:14] tvo: Stays persistent here:-( [07:14] sebas: your MWG story talks about an "initial charter", that needs to be available online [07:32] pef, Riddell: FWIW debian pkger plan to start pkg 3.5 rc1 next weekend. Maybe keep an eye on #debian-qt-kde? [07:34] you want post wikipage url KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems on? Should I? [07:35] allee: please post it, I have t go on a few minutes :) [07:35] 'k [07:36] pef have a nice internet free evening ;) [07:37] allee: thank you :) [07:37] bye ! [07:37] bye pef [07:38] allee: cool, thanks for the notice === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.35.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel === SSJ [n=simon@host-84-9-145-215.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:58] <_Sime> icefox: ping === _Sime is now known as _Sime|afk === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-156-88-126.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:57] _Sime|afk: pong === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] Drakeson_away: is there a licence on that artwork? === _olwin is away: Away at the moment === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63FD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime|afk is now known as _Sime [11:02] <_Sime> icefox: hey