[12:02] <davedorm> and it hangs on the AVI
[12:02] <davedorm> grrrr
[12:02] <Spudchat> i use the xine engine for avis
[12:02] <davedorm> yeah, I am not used to Kaffeine
[12:03] <PJeremy> davedorm: then use what you're used to ;)
[12:03] <davedorm> I like KDE and all but I don't like Kaffeine, Konversation, Kopete
[12:03] <davedorm> Amorok
[12:03] <PJeremy> you don't have to use them..
[12:03] <davedorm> yeah, the install is less than 24 hours old, I am just trying them all out
[12:04] <davedorm> it finally started the AVI but it's just a blue screen
[12:04] <PJeremy> amarok is pretty good, so is konversation, don't like kaffeine and kopete either..
[12:04] <davedorm> that's my hardware's fault.... there is a way around that
[12:04] <davedorm> I had the same problem in Xine
[12:05] <leppards1> davedorm: i also have the same problem.. the avi plays, i can hear the sound... but a blue screen 
[12:06] <davedorm> yeah, my laptop is old... it's related to low video memory
[12:06] <leppards1> however.. when  i vnc'ed into the machine and the avi is visible on the vnc window 
[12:12] <davedorm> and another thing... 
[12:12] <davedorm> lol
[12:12] <davedorm> my clock is on UTC
[12:12] <davedorm> not sure why
[12:13] <PJeremy> maybe you didn't set it properly during the installation?
[12:13] <seezer> davedorm: ls -l /etc/localtime
[12:13] <davedorm> could be
[12:14] <davedorm> not there
[12:14] <Hobbsee> davedorm: your clock is on UTC, and you want it set at local time?
[12:14] <davedorm> yeah
[12:14] <Hobbsee> *nods* - give me a sec
[12:14] <seezer> davedorm: whicht is?
[12:15] <seezer> -t
[12:15] <davedorm> Hobbsee:  I set it to Eastern with the clock as a temp measure
[12:15] <Hobbsee> davedorm: http://www.mepis.org/node/7678 - 3rd post from the bottom
[12:15] <Hobbsee> i've sent that to a couple of people, and it's worked for them
[12:15] <davedorm> mepis? lol
[12:15] <Hobbsee> *shrugs* yeah
[12:15] <dennis_p> unix uses UTC + location windows uses local time
[12:16] <Hobbsee> i think it's a kde thing, and mepis and kubuntu run kde, so...
[12:17] <egats> having trouble getting my wifi working. anyone familiar with configuring network settings in kubuntu?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> davedorm: use sudo -s -H instead of using instead of setting the root password
[12:22] <egats> anyone?
[12:24] <davedorm> Hobbsee:  it did not work
[12:24] <Hobbsee> davedorm: darn
[12:25] <davedorm> yah... I guess I could just set it to EST in my BIOS
[12:25] <davedorm> I'll be back
[12:26] <egats> so no one in here is wireless?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> egats: sorry, i dont have a wireless card
[12:27] <rafael> alguem ja instalou o mysql?
[12:27] <egats> all i want to do is enable it
[12:27] <egats> but when i click enable, it immediately disables itself again
[12:28] <rafael> brazil?
[12:29] <fatejudger> I am having the hardest time playing media with gstreamer
[12:29] <fatejudger> mpg files don't work
[12:29] <fatejudger> neither to divx files
[12:29] <fatejudger> wmv videos don't work either
[12:29] <fatejudger> what packages do I need to fix this?
[12:29] <PJeremy> w32codecs
[12:30] <fatejudger> I tried getting that package
[12:30] <fatejudger> but it was only 10k
[12:30] <PJeremy> !w32codecs
[12:30] <ubotu> rumour has it, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).
[12:30] <fatejudger> thanks
[12:31] <PJeremy> you're welcome
[12:31] <rafael> somebody already installed mysql?
[12:32] <rafael> please
[12:32] <rafael> somebody already installed mysql?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> rafael: try in #mysql
[12:32] <Hobbsee> if no one answers here
[12:33] <egats> is there a better channel for my question?
[12:33] <egats> i've already asked here, and in #kde
[12:33] <redwards> hello all can someone answer a question for me? what is the best program for creating icons?
[12:33] <crimsun> redwards: the Gimp
[12:34] <crimsun> just my $0.02, of course
[12:34] <PJeremy> egats: try #ubuntu
[12:34] <dennis_p> rafael: mysql on ubuntu also mentioned in http://www.abarbaccia.com/ 
[12:34] <redwards> cool thanks crimsun
[12:34] <fatejudger> don't I need to get a gstreamer package along with the w32codecs?
[12:35] <PJeremy> crimsun: which is more powerful, krita or gimp?
[12:35] <fatejudger> PJeremy: the gimp
[12:35] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: you could do, then make sure you register the gstreamer
[12:35] <dennis_p> depends on which version :-)
[12:36] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: ?
[12:36] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that sentence didn't make much sense
[12:36] <Hobbsee> sorry...
[12:37] <Hobbsee> if you do get some of the plugins, make sure you put a "gst-register-0.8" at the end, and then they'll start to work
[12:37] <bimberi> fatejudger: have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (under Codecs)
[12:39] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: is there a way to unregister plugins?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: um...run the register command again after you've removed them?  not sure why you'd want to
[12:40] <kairu0> wow konqueror isnt slow anymore
[12:41] <dennis_p> kairu0: since when/
[12:41] <kairu0> dennis_p, lol. it used to take about 5 seconds to resolve dns here
[12:42] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well ffmpeg isn't working
[12:42] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I don't know which plugins to get
[12:42] <kairu0> ahhh i forgot. i dont use konqueror because i cant type spanish accents in qt apps. back to firefox :)
[12:42] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I thought there was one that read the "w32codecs" package
[12:44] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#sect-music-and-movies
[12:46] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: see if that helps you a little
[12:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: doesn't work
[12:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: kaffeine will just randomly close
[12:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I even tried running it in the console and watching the output
[12:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but no errors occur
[12:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: not sure if this will make any difference, but you can run it with a different engine
[12:56] <fatejudger> yeah, I know I can use xine
[12:56] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but that kind of defeats the purpose
[12:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: the weird thing is that I have it working fine on other Kubuntu computers
[12:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: this could be a KDE 3.5 beta Kaffeine problem
[12:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[12:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: do you have KDE 3.5 beta?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> beta 1, yes
[12:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I have beta 2
[12:58] <Hobbsee> check on the wiki as to whether it's a known problem
[12:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it isn't
[12:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but that doesn't mean it isn't a Beta 2 problem
[12:58] <Hobbsee> true
[12:59] <fatejudger> maybe I could get someone else in here to check to see if their Beta 2 Kaffeine works fine
[01:00] <fatejudger> if it is a Beta 2 problem, I should be able to downgrade kaffeine and have it work fine again
[01:03] <troth> im trying to burn a cd for the first time with K3b, it gives this error Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format: what am i missing?
[01:04] <troth> the unsupported format is an mp3
[01:05] <bimberi> troth: try installing the k3b-mp3 package
[01:06] <troth> k ill look for that now
[01:06] <PJeremy> troth: starting with breezy, k3b comes without mp3 support by default afaik
[01:06] <troth> i see, i am on breezy
[01:07] <bimberi> PJeremy: yes indeed :) - as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:07] <PJeremy> bimberi: thought i had read it somewhere :)
[01:07] <bimberi> :)
[01:07] <nexu> ok how do i change the order of my sound device loading in kubuntu ?
[01:07] <troth> restricted, right like java and that, i see
[01:07] <nexu> with alsa
[01:07] <PJeremy> http://pastebin.com/420011 << transcode error, any help appreciated
[01:09] <Flixor> yo nexu join kubuntu-nl that is in your own languages 
[01:09] <nexu> i dont want to speak in my own language, i want solution
[01:09] <nexu> and english is fine for me
[01:09] <troth> bimberi: that was it, thx
[01:09] <Flixor> he he he always a stuburn little man 
[01:10] <bimberi> troth: yw :)
[01:10] <Flixor> but nexu its me werner 
[01:10] <nexu> Flixor: and beside, dutch is not my own language just because i'm from the .nl hostname
[01:10] <Flixor> lol 
[01:11] <nexu> ow, whats up with this name than Flixor ?
[01:11] <Flixor> this is my new irc name 
[01:11] <nexu> ow
[01:11] <Flixor> anyway how are  you doing 
[01:12] <nexu> anyway, i'm pissed ashell, i cant unload the modules cuz it say device is busy but lsof tells me they are not busy
[01:12] <nexu> and changing the files in /etc to change the loading order of the snd_* devices doesnt work either
[01:12] <Flixor> ehm well i thought you where a gentoo user nexu what happend 
[01:12] <nexu> so i'm pissed and looking for a solutio
[01:12] <nexu> i was reinstalling my box and just put on kubuntu for temporary
[01:13] <Flixor> so  you are going back to gentoo as soon as possible i guess 
[01:13] <nexu> and i got 3 snd devices in my box, onboard, video-in card, and sblive...and i dont want to disable any of them, just change the order
[01:13] <nexu> no, i want to have sound asap
[01:13] <nexu> i feel like working in windows again
[01:14] <nexu> all the shit hidden underneath a pile of source code
[01:15] <nexu> i fucking hate debian alsa-scripts
[01:16] <nalioth> nexu: we all understand vulgar terms, and need no further education
[01:18] <nexu> nalioth: lol
[01:18] <nexu> nalioth: :)
[01:18] <nexu> guess this place doesnt know the answer i'm seeking for anyway ..
[01:19] <Flixor> well nexu why dont you ask laclasse 
[01:19] <Flixor> he is the debian expert 
[01:20] <Flixor> btw nexu mail me your phone number 
[01:20] <nexu> he is gonna gimme the 101 steps to fix something simple again
[01:20] <Flixor> yeah that is always the case with him lol 
[01:20] <nexu> to fix sound problems, he is gonna tell me to apt-get upgrade first
[01:22] <Hobbsee> kairu0: prepared for some bugs?
[01:22] <PJeremy> http://pastebin.com/420011 << transcode error, any help appreciated
[01:23] <Flixor> nexu, did you already send me an email 
[01:23] <kairu0> Hobbsee, have you experienced them?
[01:23] <nexu> no
[01:23] <Flixor> do it now before i go to bed 
[01:23] <nexu> Flixor: i cant do shit without music
[01:23] <nexu> Flixor: and right now, i 'm not even getting static on my speakers
[01:24] <Hobbsee> kairu0: some of them, yeah
[01:24] <Flixor> well disable the other two and send me your number 
[01:24] <nalioth> nexu: please watch your language, there are ladies present
[01:24] <PJeremy> there are?
[01:24] <kairu0> Hobbsee, artsd?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:24] <Hobbsee> kairu0: yeah, had that one, it's a nuisance
[01:25] <Hobbsee> PJeremy: yes, you're talking to one
[01:25] <PJeremy> i thought you were some sort of hobbit. ;)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:25] <Hobbsee> no hobbit
[01:26] <nexu> nalioth: blaming it on a ladies is weak, just say that you dont like cussing around, no need to say the ladies wants that..
[01:26] <Hobbsee> well, i dont like swearing, and i'm a lady - will that do?
[01:26] <nalioth> nexu: it is impolite to use vulgarities in open society
[01:26] <Hobbsee> that too
[01:27] <nexu> nalioth: that sounds like a communism, i though the open society was the ability to speak whats on your mind
[01:27] <PJeremy> nexu: do you even know what communism is?
[01:27] <nexu> PJeremy: yes i lived in one thank you
[01:27] <nalioth> nexu: yes, you can speak your mind, but do it in a polite fashion please
[01:27] <PJeremy> nexu: which?
[01:28] <nexu> nalioth: yes i can do that, but no need to give an excuse with it
[01:29] <PJeremy> nexu: where did you live?
[01:29] <nexu> would be more helpfull if you people stop make how to talk here more important than providing a little bit of help in the topic i was seeking help for
[01:30] <nexu> which is ... alsa ... kubuntu
[01:31] <nalioth> nexu: but how to talk is just as important as your question. if someone sees you speaking in a manner they dont like, they may not answer you
[01:31] <Delvien> Anyone know why my system has been upgraded to i686 and does that help at all or is it a hinder on my pc ?
[01:31] <nalioth> Delvien: do you have over 768mb ram?
[01:33] <nexu> nalioth: hows that statement is gonna help me with my problem? i already stopped talking 'vulgarities' , but you still have to keep pushing on enforcing your nettique policy toward me ... that actually make me even more pissed off
[01:33] <Noah0504> I'm updating my source.list so I can upgrade to Breezy.  The first line is: deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted   Do I need to do anything with this line?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Noah0504: stick a # in front of it
[01:33] <Noah0504> Thanks.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> so that it wont try and read from the hoary cd
[01:34] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:34] <Delvien> nalioth nope i have 512
[01:34] <PJeremy> why keep the line at all, just delete it
[01:34] <nalioth> Delvien: then you've neither gained nor lost anything
[01:34] <Delvien> nalioth sorry didnt see your reply , im in windows right now
[01:34] <Noah0504> Hopefully I'll see you from 5.10.
[01:34] <Noah0504> haha
[01:34] <Hobbsee> :) hopefully
[01:34] <Delvien> nalioth whats the difference then?
[01:34] <Delvien> than*
[01:34] <crimsun> nexu: the solution is simple. Ubuntu 5.10 provides a set-default-soundcard script. Essentially what you need to do is modify ~/.asoundrc to contain the line "defaults.pcm.card X" where X is the card # (begins at 0)
[01:34] <nexu> Flixor: btw, i dont use my phone atm
[01:34] <nalioth> 686 addresses over 768mb ram mostly
[01:35] <Delvien> nalioth o
[01:35] <nexu> crimsun: already did that
[01:35] <PJeremy> Delvien: then was correct ;) not than..
[01:35] <nexu> crimsun: still not working
[01:35] <crimsun> nexu: did you restart each ALSA app?
[01:35] <Delvien> nalioth KDE has super memory leakageproblems
[01:35] <nexu> crimsun: how about i restarted the entire box ?
[01:35] <Delvien> pJeremy ah, i been cleaning so sniffing bleach all day :)  hehe
[01:35] <nexu> crimsun: and no, that didnt helped
[01:35] <crimsun> nexu: moreover, messing with /etc/modules is bound to cause problems
[01:35] <nexu> crimsun: nothing is muted
[01:36] <Delvien> mIRC sucks, god
[01:36] <crimsun> nexu: are you using ALSA directly or through arts?
[01:36] <nexu> crimsun: i dont want to brag, but i'm not completely moron on that. i used to use Lfs , but i just dont know how to work out with alsa-base that comes with kunbutu
[01:36] <nexu> crimsun: directly and arts both doesnt gimme sound
[01:36] <crimsun> nexu: don't mess with our scripts; you'll end up in a murkier mess
[01:36] <nexu> crimsun: infact, non of the devices has sound
[01:36] <crimsun> nexu: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:37] <nexu> crimsun: 0 [CMI8738MC6 ] : CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 (model 55) at 0xd800, irq 10 1 [Bt878 ] : Bt87x - Brooktree Bt878 Brooktree Bt878 at 0xd6800000, irq 11 2 [Live ] : EMU10K1 - Sound Blaster Live! Sound Blaster Live! (rev.10) at 0xd400, irq 10
[01:37] <crimsun> nexu: do you intend to switch the default card constantly?
[01:37] <nexu> crimsun: putting on default on hw:2,0 doesnt work either
[01:38] <nexu> crimsun: well no, i want it to like i had before, 1) i can determine myself the order of the deviceloading 
[01:38] <nexu> 2) sound coming out any of them
[01:38] <crimsun> nexu: defaults.pcm.card 2  should suffice
[01:38] <nexu> alreayd did that dude, but thanx
[01:38] <nexu> no it doesnt help
[01:38] <crimsun> nexu: assuming you've stopped/killed arts, what's the output from amixer -c2 ?
[01:39] <nexu> tho it seems to be active if i uses mplayer on that device
[01:39] <crimsun> (use kubuntu.pastebin)
[01:41] <nexu> http://pastebin.com/420053
[01:41] <crimsun> nexu: surprise, PCM is muted.
[01:42] <crimsun> amixer -c2 sset 'PCM' on
[01:42] <crimsun> moreover, the output jack is muted.
[01:42] <crimsun> amixer -c2 sset 'SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[01:43] <nexu> crimsun: no
[01:43] <nexu> crimsun: i did that no so long ago
[01:43] <nexu> crimsun: i forgot to switch it on again
[01:43] <nexu> crimsun: sorry i didnt switch it on before pastebin
[01:44] <crimsun> after you've unmuted both those switches, tell me if aplay foo.wav works.
[01:44] <PJeremy> http://pastebin.com/420011 << could someone help me with transcode?
[01:45] <nexu> crimsun: but do you know how to change the order of the device loading in ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[01:45] <nexu> crimsun: i think i'll be able to get it working once i get it like before in all the other distro i worked with
[01:45] <crimsun> nexu: that depends where you want to determine the order.
[01:45] <nexu> crimsun: the order of whats shows up in /proc/asound/cards
[01:46] <crimsun> nexu: you can do it at hotplug- (boot)time via /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base by using negative index masks
[01:46] <Delvien> Does anyone know why my apps dont sleep when not in use ? they take up alot of VM when i top after about 30 mins of idle, its still using ALOT of memory
[01:46] <nexu> crimsun: explain negative index masks pls
[01:46] <crimsun> nexu: Or, once you've loaded them, you can change the default card by using ~/.asoundrc and restarting the ALSA app(s)
[01:46] <Blissex> Delvien: thats fine.
[01:47] <nexu> crimsun: i have edited that file before
[01:47] <crimsun> nexu: negative index masks are negative integers passed as the index parameter to modprobe
[01:47] <nexu> crimsun: but what i changed didnt helped
[01:47] <nexu> crimsun: any example lines?
[01:47] <crimsun> nexu: e.g., sudo modprobe snd-cmipci index=-2
[01:47] <Delvien> Blissex it worries me because in Gnome it wasnt using this much , and ive noticed my ram ( laptop ) is running hot
[01:47] <crimsun> nexu: prevents the cmi card from being card 0
[01:47] <nexu> crimsun: ah yes i have seen something similiar
[01:47] <Delvien> Blissex and my CPU runs hot too , its crazy
[01:48] <nexu> crimsun: ah yes thanks . thats what i 've been looking for
[01:48] <nexu> crimsun: <3 
[01:48] <nexu> :D
[01:48] <crimsun> nexu: the disadvantage of using negative index masks is that it requires unloading and reloading the drivers to take effect
[01:48] <nexu> crimsun: thats no problem , i prefere this solution 
[01:48] <crimsun> nexu: o
[01:48] <crimsun> k
[01:48] <Delvien> Blissex CPU in XP = 28 C, Linux Kubuntu = 40 C running Firefox and playing music on both
[01:48] <Blissex> Delvien: laptops often just run hit, and that fine.
[01:49] <Delvien> Blissex nah my laptops cpu never goes over 42 C in windows , Even when playing Battlefield 2
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Delvien: low temperature for your laptop there!
[01:49] <Blissex> Delvien: in any case look at something called 'laptop-mode' and various power saving advices at http://WWW.TuxMobil.com/
[01:49] <Delvien> Hobbsee yeah but i can only get it in Windows
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Delvien: mine boots at 45 C usually sits between 50 and 65 with normal running
[01:50] <Delvien> hobbsee 65!!! 
[01:50] <kairu0> my cpu's temp is a mystery to me
[01:50] <Hobbsee> what do you mean you can only get it in windows?
[01:50] <Delvien> hobbsee thats kinda dangerous
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ksensors exists
[01:50] <Hobbsee> toshiba satellites are known to overheat a bit...
[01:51] <Delvien> Hobbsee no no , i can read the temps in linux, but i can only get it that low under windows, Thats with the fan on LOW... 
[01:51] <Hobbsee> it'll hit upwards of 70 when running a graphics intensive game...
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ah right, yep
[01:51] <Delvien> Hobbsee 65 is to the point of reducing life of a CPU
[01:52] <Hobbsee> really?  ouch
[01:52] <Delvien> hobbsee i beleive 75-85 is close to death
[01:52] <Hobbsee> this laptop has always run that hot
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ooh fun
[01:52] <PJeremy> Delvien: well. i've had a amd1333mhz fsb233 at 89 ;)
[01:52] <Delvien> Hobbsee ever think about applying Arctic Silver 5?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> PJeremy: wow lol
[01:53] <Hobbsee> arctic silver 5?  wonder what that is
[01:53] <Delvien> Pjeremy laptop ? 
[01:53] <PJeremy> Delvien: of course it died shortly after...
[01:53] <PJeremy> Delvien: no
[01:53] <Delvien> Hobbsee CPU / HEatsink heat transfer adhesive\
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[01:53] <nexu> crimsun: the reason i prefere the change the card device order is some of the linuxgames i run always grab hw=0,0
[01:53] <Delvien> Pjeremy aye desktops are a bit different
[01:53] <PJeremy> i've had two amd 1333mhz fsb 233 fry...
[01:53] <crimsun> nexu: sure
[01:54] <nexu> crimsun: it works good now, thx
[01:54] <PJeremy> crimsun: do you know transcode?
[01:54] <Delvien> Hobbsee best out there., And this is not uncommon , but the manufacturer of the Toshiba might of missed the adhesive heat transfer step, Ive seen it before where the heat sink is just sitting on top of the CPU, and it was on a Toshiba Qosimo g25 
[01:55] <Hobbsee> right
[01:56] <crimsun> nexu: np
[01:56] <crimsun> PJeremy: I've done some maintainership work on it, otherwise no.
[01:56] <Knowerrors> anybody know of good superkaramba kde addons that let you have multiple desktop kicker like bars... one for time and montoring applets, one for open programs, and one for menu/program launch icons?
[01:57] <PJeremy> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/420011 with the transcode from the repos..
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: not sure if you'd have to use superkaramba for it, you may be able to add extra panels and go from there
[02:00] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: there's quite a few programs for launchers etc; you might want to check out some of the docks available for kde
[02:01] <crimsun> PJeremy: packaging error, file a bug in malone please, and I'll look at it
[02:02] <Flixor> nexu are  you on nl.chatjunkies.org 
[02:02] <crimsun> (http://launchpad.net/malone)
[02:04] <nmorse> Is there a wiki somewhere on getting lilo working on Kubuntu?
[02:04] <davedorm> hmm
[02:04] <davedorm> now I have another issue
[02:04] <davedorm> cannot play video/AVI/MPG/MOV I just get a blue screen and audio
[02:05] <nmorse> Installed w32codecs?
[02:05] <davedorm> yes
[02:05] <nmorse> What video player?
[02:05] <davedorm> it has to do with my video driver, I had this problem b4 under Mepis
[02:05] <davedorm> Kaffeine
[02:05] <nmorse> Ok
[02:06] <davedorm> I just don't recall how I fixed it... ran Xine with a switch
[02:06] <nmorse> Install kaffeine-xine or the gstreamer packages for the various video formats
[02:06] <nmorse> Then switch Kaffeine's engine to Kaffeine instead of Kaffeine-Gstreamer
[02:07] <davedorm> I'll try that
[02:08] <PJeremy> crimsun: what should i choose as title for the bug? and should i just copy the output from pastebin into the bug report?
[02:09] <davedorm> installing kaffeine-xine right now
[02:10] <davedorm> well crap... 
[02:10] <davedorm> how do I change the engine?
[02:11] <nmorse> It's in one of the top menus.
[02:11] <nmorse> It's not in settings.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> settings, player engines
[02:11] <Hobbsee> pick the one you want
[02:11] <nmorse> Ok, it is in settings
[02:11] <nmorse> That's what I get for being in Knoppix at the moment
[02:12] <crimsun> PJeremy: yes, copy the pastebin content. Title should be the specific error regarding dts
[02:13] <PJeremy> dts?
[02:13] <PJeremy> eh of course
[02:14] <PJeremy> crimsun:  so pretty much title== the line with dts_init ?
[02:14] <nmorse> Great, now I can't even get GRUB to reinstall
[02:14] <crimsun> PJeremy: yep, just trim it to the relevant issue
[02:15] <Hobbsee> nmorse: any error messages?  past them to pastebin
[02:15] <PJeremy> heh first bugreport :)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> PJeremy: nice, congratulations
[02:16] <nmorse> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/420092
[02:17] <nmorse> davedorm, did that fix the problem?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> nmorse: preface it with "sudo" and try again
[02:18] <nmorse> I'm root right now
[02:18] <Hobbsee> mm ok then
[02:18] <nmorse> I'm chroot'ed in from a Knoppix cd because GRUB won't work
[02:18] <Hobbsee> tried reinstalling grub from the (k)ubuntu cd?
[02:19] <nmorse> The install cd's use the new debian-installer which makes such a thing a pain
[02:19] <nmorse> With an old Debian Woody CD, this would take no time at all
[02:19] <Hobbsee> installer doesnt seem to take that long here
[02:19] <Hobbsee> !reinstallgrub
[02:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, reinstallgrub is to reinstall GRUB, follow the guide at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652
[02:20] <nalioth> !recovergrub
[02:20] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, recovergrub is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:20] <PJeremy> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[02:21] <icewt> are there any good Java-IDEs for KDE?
[02:21] <nalioth> icewt: eclipse is not a good java-ide?
[02:21] <PJeremy> Hobbsee: albeit i'd rather not have to do it ;)
[02:21] <icewt> nalioth: i haven't tried any ide yet
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hehe true...but you'd like a fix for it
[02:21] <PJeremy> Hobbsee: most certainly :)
[02:22] <nalioth> icewt: "eclipse" is "the" java ide
[02:22] <nmorse> I'm going to try some more crap with the Ubuntu LiveCD's then
[02:23] <PJeremy> how long does a bugfix usually take?
[02:23] <icewt> nalioth: hmm.. and it's also written in java. i guess that means it's quite heavy?
[02:23] <crimsun> PJeremy: it will only be fixed in Dapper
[02:23] <PJeremy> crimsun: okay, so i should compile transcode myself then i assume?
[02:23] <nalioth> icewt: isn't all java?
[02:24] <crimsun> PJeremy: yes. apt-get build-dep transcode && apt-get -b source transcode
[02:26] <icewt> nalioth: err.. what do you mean? i guess there are some ides for java programming out there that are not written in java
[02:27] <davedorm> ok
[02:27] <davedorm> that sorta worked
[02:27] <nalioth> icewt: i have no idea about them. you have kdevelop for KDE
[02:27] <davedorm> still cannot see quicktime video
[02:27] <nalioth> davedorm: install libquicktime0
[02:28] <davedorm> ohhh
[02:28] <davedorm> ok
[02:29] <davedorm> I found libquicktime1
[02:29] <davedorm> is that the same?
[02:29] <nalioth> davedorm: yes
[02:29] <davedorm> kk
[02:30] <PJeremy> icewt: there are many java ides written in c or c++, jcreator for example
[02:30] <icewt> i'm looking for something fairly simple and light for now
[02:31] <nalioth> icewt: kate
[02:32] <PJeremy> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/420114 uhm what am i supposed to do now?
[02:33] <PJeremy> icewt: nedit
[02:33] <icewt> nalioth: can i do anything else than write the code with kate? i mean, is it more than just a text editor when it comes to java?
[02:34] <crimsun> PJeremy: install fakeroot, then use fakeroot apt-get -b source transcode
[02:34] <nalioth> icewt: nedit has syntax highlighting, iirc, also quanta, bluefish and screem. perhaps nvu may have some functionality
[02:37] <icewt> hmm.. well, at least kate has a terminal emulator. i guess it might be enough for now. just going to do some simple programs.
[02:38] <icewt> thank you
[02:38] <nalioth> icewt: you have many options
[02:40] <icewt> so it seems ;)
[02:41] <PJeremy> icewt: in windows i used jcreator, pretty good one, eclipse is the best for linux (and windows), but nedit/kate/nano/etc are good enough for coding :)
[02:42] <PJeremy> in my opinion..
[02:48] <Knowerrors> Hey all, is a firewall program needed or is iptables fine the way it is as kubuntu installs?
[02:49] <nalioth> Knowerrors: by default, no 'firewall' is needed
[02:50] <apokryphos> !firewall
[02:50] <ubotu> it has been said that firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter. see !firestarter
[02:51] <PJeremy> crimsun: it's done compiling but i still get the same error
[02:51] <Knowerrors> thats what I though, just hoping the default config is leaving me secure... testing on sygate site right now
[02:52] <crimsun> PJeremy: then you'll need to wait til it's fixed
[02:53] <PJeremy> crimsun: crap... can i do the exact same with mencoder as i wanted to do with transcode?
[02:54] <crimsun> PJeremy: probably, but it's probably more difficult
[02:54] <nalioth> more diffecult
[02:54] <crimsun> PJeremy: again, I don't use either on a regular basis at all
[02:54] <PJeremy> crimsun: neither do i, i just copied that line from a howto
[02:54] <davedorm> allrighty then
[02:55] <PJeremy> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709 <<this howto
[02:55] <davedorm> it works
[02:55] <davedorm> thanks for the help with all these little hangups
[02:57] <crimsun> PJeremy: I'll try to look at it this coming week
[02:57] <crimsun> PJeremy: what's the malone bug #?
[02:57] <PJeremy> crimsun: 3964
[02:59] <PJeremy> thanks crimsun :)
[02:59] <crimsun> actually I'll go ahead and upload the fix now
[02:59] <crimsun> it'll be in Dapper
[03:03] <PJeremy> crimsun: so it'll be in backports as well?
[03:04] <crimsun> PJeremy: presumably, though I don't have anything to do with backports
[03:04] <nalioth> PJeremy: one can only hope
[03:05] <PJeremy> nalioth: indeed.
[03:05] <PJeremy> crimsun: thank you very much for your help :)
[03:06] <crimsun> PJeremy: np.
[03:06] <Knowerrors> anybody have good link for properly configuring ssh?
[03:06] <dutch> evening crimsun, have a gud weekend ?
[03:07] <nalioth> Knowerrors: configuring it for what?
[03:07] <Knowerrors> so its properly secure from hacking...
[03:08] <nalioth> Knowerrors: um. it only works for your user/pass what else do you want?
[03:08] <Knowerrors> I did a scan at sygate website, and the port its on is open... should I close that port unless Im using ssh at the moment?
[03:08] <nalioth> Knowerrors: you are fine.
[03:09] <nalioth> Knowerrors: nobody is gonna hack you thru port 22
[03:09] <Knowerrors> ahhhhh, sigh relief, okeedoke, just makin sure
[03:09] <Knowerrors> Id assume theyd loose patience too being as my connection is so slow
[03:09] <nalioth> matter of fact, nobody is gonna hack you through any port
[03:10] <Knowerrors> how come
[03:10] <nalioth> Knowerrors: you're using linux
[03:12] <Knowerrors> so you're saying, because of the built in security/permissions of linux files system/access, that its just too hard/ not worth it?
[03:13] <nalioth> Knowerrors: correct. as long as you dont log in as root (which is diffecult to do in k/ubuntu) you are fine
[03:16] <Knowerrors> should I bother installing firestarter or clamav?  Any point to that- besides over caution
[03:16] <nalioth> Knowerrors: i only use clamav to scan things i forward in my email
[03:17] <nalioth> to protect my windows using email correspondants
[03:19] <Knowerrors> Nice, won't bother then
[03:19] <nalioth> Knowerrors: the only use "I" have for firestarter is to enable "internet connection sharing"
[03:21] <Knowerrors> ok, may install that then... I like to have easy control
[03:22] <pupil> Where do I find the sources.lst file for apt ?
[03:22] <nalioth> ubotu: tell pupil about sources
[03:22] <Knowerrors> while I got you, Im getting an error at the end of my boot up that says "KDSETKEYCODE Invalid argument failed to set scancode 5D to keycode 256" any ideas on that nalioth?
[03:22] <pupil> nalioth: I just installed kubuntu
[03:22] <nalioth> Knowerrors: no clue
[03:22] <nalioth> pupil: ok
[03:24] <pupil> nalioth: what I'm trying to find out is "where" is the sources.lst file ?
[03:24] <Knowerrors> pupil: /etc/apt/
[03:24] <pupil> I don't have anything in there,. are you saying I should put the in there?
[03:25] <pupil> them
[03:25] <nalioth> pupil: i HOPE you have a sources.list
[03:25] <pupil> and how do I check if my version is hoary,. or breezy?
[03:25] <nalioth> pupil: in a console, type "lsb_release -a"
[03:25] <PJeremy> pupil: cat /etc/issue
[03:25] <pupil> found it
[03:26] <Knowerrors> I been browsing kde-look for a while looking at kde improvements and karamba, anybody recommend some good ones they use with kubuntu?
[03:26] <poimen> how I kwon were is located my USB printer???
[03:27] <beast> Knowerrors: liquid-weather ;-)
[03:29] <Knowerrors> nice... any more?  something that lets me launch apps, browse files, do settings in the desktop, like Symphony/Mezzo setup?
[03:31] <Knowerrors> poimen: (K) > Utilities > Printing Manager > add Printer
[03:32] <poimen> Knowerrors It does not apears in the list :(
[03:33] <crimsun> !tell [g2]  about repos
[03:34] <pupil> other than kate,. is there another editor I can use in kubuntu?
[03:34] <pupil> and vi
[03:34] <apokryphos> very very many
[03:34] <nalioth> pupil: a boatload
[03:35] <pupil> I just want another graphical one,. cause evertime I try and use sudo kate, it crashes
[03:35] <nalioth> pupil: nedit
[03:35] <apokryphos> that's because..... !idea, you should NEVER  sudo {GUIAPP}
[03:35] <pupil> apokryphos: what should I do then?
[03:35] <apokryphos> !kdesu
[03:35] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[03:35] <nalioth> apokryphos: pupil just switched to kubuntu from ubuntu
[03:35] <apokryphos> oh ok
[03:35] <nalioth> pupil: what was wrong with ubuntu?
[03:35] <pupil> ok
[03:36] <apokryphos> pupil: just alt+f2 -> kdesu kate
[03:36] <pupil> nalioth: nothin,. was just tryhing out kubuntu,. 
[03:36] <nalioth> pupil: ah, then you must learn all the kde-centric stuff
[03:36] <pupil> nalioth: I have to say though,. thus far,. kubuntu is much lighter,. quicker if you willo
[03:36] <pupil> indeed
[03:36] <nalioth> pupil: heh
[03:36] <apokryphos> =)
[03:37] <pupil> nalioth: I can use the sources generated by source-o-matic?
[03:38] <apokryphos> sure
[03:38] <nalioth> pupil: if you wish
[03:38] <pupil> nalioth: got a better soource list I should use?'
[03:38] <pupil> cause I enabled everhing,. 
[03:38] <pupil> everthing
[03:38] <pupil> everything
[03:38] <nalioth> i use the standard !sources one
[03:39] <pupil> nalioth: no mulitiverse universe etc?
[03:39] <apokryphos> pupil: it has those
[03:39] <pupil> # Bleeding edge wine packages (packages)
[03:39] <pupil> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[03:39] <nalioth> pupil: /msg ubotu sources     the breezy one contains uni and multi
[03:39] <pupil> do you use that?
[03:40] <nalioth> pupil: i only use main security uni and multi
[03:40] <pupil> nalioth: any paticular reason why?
[03:40] <nalioth> pupil: i dont use "non official" repos
[03:40] <apokryphos> not updates? ;-)
[03:41] <nalioth> apokryphos: i use official repos (and obviously havent memorized all of them)
[03:41] <crimsun> PJeremy: uploaded. http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2005-November/000442.html
[03:42] <redguy> is OOo 2.0 likely to be in updates soon?
[03:42] <nalioth> redguy: i'm sure it will show up in backports when it's ready
[03:43] <Knowerrors> nalioth: I got a usb digital camera, doesn't show up at all in konq or on the desktop, though it worked fine with my other debian installs, any fixes ideas?
[03:43] <pupil> nalioth: do you use backports?
[03:43] <redguy> nalioth: are there backports for breezy?
[03:43] <nalioth> pupil: i do not
[03:43] <bimberi> !ooo2
[03:43] <ubotu> Test packages for OpenOffice.org 2 are available - http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-October/012520.html
[03:43] <nalioth> redguy: not yet
[03:43] <redguy> #ubuntu /topic says "there are no breezy backports"
[03:43] <nalioth> Knowerrors: i believe you need gphoto or something like that for camera interfaceing (dont have a camera, so don't know for sure)
[03:44] <pupil> nalioth: can I see the sources.list you use, I want to see what you have enabled
[03:44] <apokryphos> redguy: they don't exist yet, yes
[03:44] <pupil> nalioth: so that means you do not enable universe multiverse,. correct ?
[03:45] <Knowerrors> well, it opened on other debian as a usb flash drive
[03:45] <Knowerrors> or as simply another hard drive in konq
[03:45] <nalioth> pupil: universe and multiverse are "official"
[03:46] <PJeremy> crimsun: cool, thanks. how do i update it now? 
[03:46] <pupil> nalioth: should I do kdesu apt-get update ?
[03:46] <nalioth> pupil: no. kdesu adept
[03:48] <apokryphos> pupil: only use kdesu when you want to run a GUI application with root permissions
[03:48] <pupil> apokryphos: ic,. 
[03:49] <redguy> bimberi: thanks
[03:49] <nalioth> pupil: adept is the KDE counterpart to synaptic
[03:49] <pupil> ohh,. 
[03:49] <bimberi> redguy: np :)
[03:50] <crimsun> PJeremy: can't do anything yet, it has to be built. However, you can download the Dapper source in 33 minutes and compile it.
[03:50] <redguy> there's one more thing I don't really understand
[03:51] <PJeremy> crimsun: could you tell me the steps i have to do to download+build it now please, because it's 3:50 am here and i'm pretty knackered.
[03:52] <redguy> if a stable software package is released upstream (i.e. the stable OOo2) isn't it supposed to be in breezy-updates repo?
[03:52] <pupil> I keep getting failed to fetch when I apt-get update
[03:52] <apokryphos> pupil: pastebin the errors, then produce the link here
[03:53] <redguy> since the OO I'm using on from a default breezy installation is far from stable
[03:53] <pupil> apokryphos: I know why,. its my sources.list file
[03:53] <pupil> apokryphos: changing it to de.ubuntu
[03:53] <apokryphos> redguy: things going in -updates are pretty purely up to the packager, I'd say. Though of course sometimes it's a very good idea to
[03:54] <crimsun> PJeremy: the diffs won't be published for another 10 minutes+MirrorTransitTime
[03:54] <crimsun> PJeremy: so about 30 minutes
[03:54] <crimsun> PJeremy: you're better off tackling it later in the day
[03:54] <nalioth> redguy: not after a version freeze, no
[03:54] <PJeremy> redguy: 1.9.129 is pretty stable here.. fresh debs of OOo2 can be found at: http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/  but they're compiled for debian afaik
[03:55] <pupil> nalioth: what mirror do I use man,. ubuntu doesn' work,. de.ubuntu doesn't work what do I use?
[03:55] <pupil> nalioth: for mulitiverse universe
[03:55] <apokryphos> pupil: please pastebin the errors
[03:56] <nalioth> pupil: where do you live/
[03:56] <PJeremy> crimsun: yea i think so too, but i just think i'll be pretty helpless if you're not around ;)
[03:56] <crimsun> PJeremy: just ping me later in the day; I check in periodically.
[03:56] <PJeremy> crimsun: okay, will do. thank you :)
[03:56] <nalioth> PJeremy: crimsun is not the only one here who can answer your questions
[03:57] <redguy> PJeremy, nalioth: not that I lost any data with OOo 1.9.129, but it crashed several times. The recovery thingie worked fine.
[03:57] <nalioth> redguy: i'd say to look for it in backports
[03:57] <crimsun> PJeremy: right, many people here are knowledgeable
[03:57] <bimberi> pupil: "de.ubuntu"? shouldn't that be "de.archive.ubuntu" (.com)
[03:58] <pupil> bimberi: it is,. 
[03:58] <bimberi> pupil: k
[03:58] <pupil> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/420182
[03:58] <PJeremy> nalioth: crimsun: yea i know, but since you know+fixed the problem i thought you might the best support
[03:59] <apokryphos> pupil: disable backports; they don't exist, as we mentioned.
[03:59] <pupil> apokryphos: didnt see that message,. thanks
[03:59] <nalioth> pupil: backports doesnt exist for anyhone
[03:59] <pupil> ok,. no probs
[04:01] <PJeremy> either way, good night nalioth and crimsun and thanks. night everyone.
[04:01] <redguy> theres one more annoyance in my Kubuntu desktop. Does anyone happen to know why might kicker segfault while closing a KDE session?
[04:04] <apokryphos> there's a bugreport on that I think; lemme see if I can dig it up
[04:05] <apokryphos> hm, still an open bug; seems to happen to only a few: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12096
[04:06] <pupil> for some reason I always thought konqueror was slower,. but everthing seems to open much faster in kubuntu than in ubuntu
[04:06] <pupil> and I'm not knocking ubuntu
[04:06] <apokryphos> there's a known fix it seems; just needs to be packaged/patched up
[04:06] <apokryphos> pupil: Konqueror is speeedy 
[04:07] <redguy> apokryphos: hrmmm, should file in my backtrace perhaps
[04:08] <apokryphos> redguy: wouldn't really help if it's the same. The problem is known...
[04:08] <pupil> how is xfce with kubuntu ?
[04:08] <apokryphos> xfce isn't bad; worth trying out
[04:09] <apokryphos> !xubuntu
[04:09] <ubotu> xubuntu is, like, Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[04:09] <Knowerrors> Anyone know how to get a portable digital camera to show up in konq, as a drive, when plugged in by usb, to offload the pics
[04:09] <pupil> apokryphos: Gnome slows my machine down a little,. kubuntu is definately faster., so I don't think I'll be trying xubuntu
[04:10] <redguy> apokryphos: but maybe it would indicate that there's interest in that bug :-)
[04:10] <apokryphos> redguy: wouldn't hurt to drop a message, sure.
[04:11] <redguy> wondering if enlightenment desktop ubuntu would be ebuntu or enubuntu
[04:11] <apokryphos> I'm quite sure it'll never happen :P
[04:11] <redguy> didn't know that there is this xubuntu thing
[04:11] <apokryphos> not any time in the forseable future, anyway
[04:12] <apokryphos> redguy: it's just starting up; they'll hopefully have a release for dapper
[04:12] <redguy> why? isn't enlightenment like almost-to-be-released?
[04:13] <apokryphos> redguy: heh, I doubt it
[04:13] <apokryphos> 0.16 was last official stable, and that was years ago
[04:14] <pupil> does xfce4 use gnome libraries?
[04:14] <aptidude> Hey all, I just installed kbuntu - am trying to get w32codecs to work from reading the media support page, but it still doesn;t work, is there a special gstreamer plugin i need or something?
[04:14] <Knowerrors> Whats needed to get BUM working?  I installed it plus depends, but when I click its icon, nothing comes up
[04:17] <apokryphos> pupil: it uses GTK, yeah
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: perhaps you should try #proctology if there's something wrong with your BUM :)
[04:18] <pupil> apokryphos: which means what exactly,. GTK is gnome libraries?
[04:18] <apokryphos> pupil: GTK = GIMP toolkit; it's what GNOME uses, yes
[04:19] <apokryphos> what Qt is to KDE, GTK is to GNOME
[04:19] <Knowerrors> naw, just need more fiber LeeJunFan
[04:19] <pupil> apokryphos: I guess I'll figure that out later,. 
[04:20] <pupil> apokryphos: well.. I don't want anything related to gnome on my system, so far kubuntu is flying, so I want to keep it that way, what window manager should I use that goes well with QT,. 
[04:20] <pupil> or rather kde
[04:20] <apokryphos> pupil: kwin obviously
[04:20] <pupil> Not that I have a prob with kde
[04:20] <apokryphos> what's wrong with it that you need to change it? :P
[04:21] <pupil> apokryphos: nothing,. I simply like variety
[04:21] <apokryphos> and  XFCE is a full-blown Desktop Environment -- not just a windows manager
[04:21] <pupil> apokryphos: so that said,. should I just install XFCE ?
[04:21] <apokryphos> pupil: you can get plenty of variety by altering the look etc. Get loving http://kdelook.org :)
[04:22] <apokryphos> I'd say it's not a bad idea to give all the major DEs a good shot
[04:22] <pupil> apokryphos: indeed
[04:22] <pupil> I have tried a number of them,. some need more tinkering than otheres,. 
[04:22] <apokryphos> but I still won't stick with anything other than kde ;-)
[04:23] <pupil> I've used fluxbox, XFCE, blackbox, gnome,.enlightment, kde of course, I dunno what else
[04:23] <apokryphos> there's a lot to learn about each one
[04:23] <pupil> apokryphos: no doubt
[04:23] <apokryphos> it's one thing to try them out briefly, and another thing to really get to know them
[04:23] <pupil> apokryphos: thats for sure
[04:23] <Knowerrors> I get this http://rafb.net/paste/results/o02LG168.html in /var/log/messages when I plug in my usb camera, any ideas to fix?
[04:24] <pupil> apokryphos: whats your desktop look like right now?
[04:25] <apokryphos> pupil: like this: http://giannaros.org/screen1.jpg
[04:25] <apokryphos> erm, http://giannaros.org/public/screen1.jpg
[04:26] <redguy> apokryphos: what about rumors about SuSE swithing to Gnome? Do you think that this won't affect KDE development in general?
[04:27] <apokryphos> it's Novell that's switching to GNOME only
[04:27] <apokryphos> wasn't it SuSE that switched to KDE as default not too long ago?
[04:28] <apokryphos> and if you believe the TUX magazine, gnome-usage is actually going down :/
[04:28] <apokryphos> would be interesting to get some actual representative statistics, but it wouldn't be easy to do.
[04:29] <masterloki> hi there can someone tell me why when I try to set my netcofig with system setting -> network setting to manual it always erase the IP I put on gateway??
[04:29] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: BUM is installed in the menu to run with gksudo, instead of kdesu, changed that and its all good
[04:29] <masterloki> is this a bug on KDE or something?
[04:30] <redguy> apokryphos: AFAIR SuSE was KDE centric from the beginning
[04:31] <redguy> apokryphos: it's Qt lincensing issues propably that made Novell make this move
[04:31] <redguy> apokryphos: and GTK# also perhaps
[04:31] <pupil> how do they get the bar to look like this: 
[04:31] <pupil> http://kdelook.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=30792&file1=30792-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=mountain
[04:32] <apokryphos> redguy: re: license, I doubt it
[04:32] <apokryphos> pupil: the thing at the bottom is kxdocker
[04:33] <pupil> apokryphos: I can use that instead of the bar I have?
[04:34] <apokryphos> if you want
[04:34] <apokryphos> I find it annoying after a while :P
[04:34] <pupil> or does it change the panel
[04:34] <pupil> annoying how?
[04:35] <apokryphos> pupil: give it a shot; it's in the repositories
[04:36] <apokryphos> it doesn't change the panel -- as you can see in that screenshot, the person there didn't even remove the kde panel
[04:36] <redguy> apokryphos: why? If they would want to create some closed source utilities for corporate users, they would have to pay Trolltech if they were still using Qt, wouldn't they?
[04:36] <apokryphos> it's just at the top
[04:36] <redguy> erm, grammar problems... s/would want/wanted/
[04:37] <pupil> apokryphos: why does it say gnome?
[04:38] <redguy> pupil: it's the wallpaper I think.
[04:38] <apokryphos> redguy: yes
[04:38] <apokryphos> pupil: just the wallpaper
[04:40] <pupil> how do I remove kxdocker?
[04:41] <pupil> I killed it
[04:42] <bimberi> pupil: sudo aptitude remove kxdocker
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bimberi: what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> they're both command line, and both package managers...
[04:44] <redguy> Hobbsee: aptitude is a front-end to apt-get
[04:44] <bimberi> Hobbsee: aptitude is better at managing dependencies (eg. removing unneeded ones when removing a package)
[04:44] <bimberi> s/unneeded/no longer needed/
[04:45] <redguy> Hobbsee: erm, not really... they are both fron-ends to dpkg.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[04:45] <Hobbsee> redguy: true
[04:46] <redguy> Hobbsee: and of course aptitude doesn't have super-cow powers
[04:46] <nalioth> redguy: of course it does
[04:46] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: or apokryphos , any ideas on that camera error Im getting?
[04:46] <nalioth> redguy: you just can't hear the moo
[04:46] <masterloki> Is there a way to find out wich process it using 100% CPU??
[04:46] <bimberi> masterloki: top
[04:46] <redguy> nalioth: hah, so there are super-cows that don't moo?
[04:47] <nalioth> redguy: aptitude iirc, is a smart front-end to apt-get
[04:47] <apokryphos> calling them frontends to dpkg is stretching it
[04:47] <redguy> nalioth: where I live, super-cow always come with a moo :-)
[04:47] <apokryphos> nalioth: front-end to apt, not apt-get really
[04:48] <masterloki> Ok better now
[04:49] <redguy> off to sleep
[04:49] <redguy> bye
[04:49] <jsubl2> Knowerrors: i always apt-get install digikam digikamimageplugins kipi-plugins and that supports my camera fine.
[04:50] <masterloki> is some running azureus? it always takes 100% CPU
[04:51] <nalioth> apokryphos: frontend to libapt, you technically mean?
[04:51] <Knowerrors> I already have those installed... problem is, camera used to pop up as a drive in other debian install, in this one, doesn't come up as any device
[04:51] <Knowerrors> I get this http://rafb.net/paste/results/o02LG168.html when I turn on the camera
[04:52] <apokryphos> nalioth: libapt-pkg, really
[04:53] <apokryphos> and that's an effort of libapt-front (group of debian developers) -- to create a better API for apt than libapt-pkg
[04:53] <apokryphos> Adept is the first GUI pack manager to use it, too
[04:54] <apokryphos> gogo gadjet debtags! =)
[04:55] <jsubl2> Knowerrors: did you try brining up digikam and see if it can autodetect  the camera
[05:23] <kkathman> hello all :)
[05:24] <kkathman> apokryphos: thanks for the help...krusader installed no probs
[05:25] <apokryphos> kkathman: I guess you'd have to fire it up to actually test it; ouch ;-)
[05:25] <kkathman> I did...was no problems
[05:25] <kkathman> theyve made some major advances
[05:25] <kkathman> apokryphos: the version thats in the repos is really way behind 
[05:32] <bieb> hello
[05:33] <kkathman> apokryphos: thats kewl...Im just not a konqueror fan..thought its a very adequate file manager
[05:34] <bieb> I am new to Kubuntu, How do I show App folders in the K menu? There are a multimedia apps, but the folder doesn't show in the K menu
[05:35] <nalioth> bieb: there is not "apps" folder that i know of
[05:36] <kkathman> nalioth: not really, but you could build one if you wanted to I suppose
[05:36] <bieb> I mean, under the "All Applications", there is Internet, System etc.. I know there are multimedia apps, but I don't see how to show that folder
[05:37] <nalioth> bieb: ah, that folder
[05:37] <kkathman> uhm.. move your cursor over the "Multimedia" option and then click an app?
[05:37] <bieb> What I am saying... is the multimedia folder does not show in that list
[05:37] <kkathman> That shows 17 apps and a "more" on my system
[05:38] <kkathman> bieb: I have no idea what "folder" you are talking about
[05:39] <nalioth> kkathman: he wants to open a folder marked "internet" that matches the menu items
[05:39] <bieb> maybe folder is the wrong term.... its a menu
[05:40] <bieb> no what I want is to show the multimedia menu, under the main K menu
[05:40] <crankysis> quick question, does ubunto have a quick install CD
[05:40] <thoreauputic> quick install?
[05:41] <nalioth> crankysis: depends on the speed of your system
[05:41] <thoreauputic> it has a live Cd and install CDs yes
[05:41] <crankysis> yeah a startup installer CD and it grabs the remainer of the install from the internet
[05:41] <nalioth> crankysis: not yet, no
[05:41] <thoreauputic> oh a network installer...
[05:41] <crankysis> ahh but it is in the works?
[05:41] <kkathman> thoreauputic: amen :)
[05:41] <crankysis> yeah network installer
[05:42] <crankysis> is one being developped
[05:42] <crankysis> ?
[05:42] <kkathman> bieb: ok..what happens when you open the K-menu, and move your mouse over the word "Multimedia"
[05:43] <thoreauputic> crankysis: currently you would have to use the debian one and point it at ubuntu repositories - not really convenient
[05:43] <kkathman> bieb: dont you get another menu with all the apps?
[05:43] <bieb> KKathman... there is no "Multimedia" that is the issue, how do I show that menu?
[05:43] <niki> I know you don't need to switch to root, but how do I do it anyway?
[05:43] <kkathman> bieb:  you are running kubuntu?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> niki:  sudo -i will give you a root shell
[05:43] <bieb> yes
[05:44] <kkathman> bieb: and you have a K menu button at the bottom of your screen at the far left?
[05:44] <bieb> yes
[05:44] <crankysis> so I could use the debian install CD?
[05:44] <crankysis> err quick install CD?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> sounds like the menu got stuffed sommehow...
[05:45] <kkathman> bieb:  And when you click that...you see Development, Games, Graphics, Internet, Multimedia....?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> crankysis: if you know what you are doing, yes
[05:45] <thoreauputic> crankysis: but you have to point it in the ubuntu direction :)
[05:45] <bieb> KKathman... read this.. The other menus are there... but not multimedia.. I just want to know where to go to show that menu
[05:46] <kkathman> ohh.. hmm I dont know why it wouldnt be there....did you close or delete it?
[05:46] <niki> How do  I select dual monitors in Kubuntu?  In display All I see is screen 1
[05:46] <thoreauputic> bieb: you might have to edit the menu - this sounds rather unusual
[05:46] <kkathman> thoreauputic: hehe
[05:48] <kkathman> bieb: if for some VERY odd reason you dont have multimedia...right click on the K at the bottom left, choose Menu Editor and then...add what you want
[05:48] <bieb> ok
[05:48] <bieb> thanks
[05:48] <thoreauputic> crankysis: BTW calling netinstall "quick install" is kind of confusing...
[05:53] <kkathman> hey _seezer :)
[06:03] <niki> Question:  I have Two Harddrives, One Windows, and One Kubuntu.  I want grub give me the  choice to load the Kubuntu or windows.  How do I edit grub.conf to do this?
[06:05] <nalioth> niki: it did not find your drives during the install?
[06:05] <niki> nope
[06:05] <niki> Well the windows install is on a Raid controller
[06:05] <niki> split between two HDD's
[06:18] <cfh_dev> Where's the menu for setting key mappings?
[06:23] <novosirj> Admin mode is fixed in Breezy?
[06:23] <novosirj> Hmm...
[06:23] <novosirj> I coulda sworn I had the problem since.
[06:24] <novosirj> Anyone awake?
[06:26] <ilba7r> in breezy when i use the shutdown reboot under gnome. The pc shutdown all operation but does not reboot. I have to unplug it from the power source then turn it on manually is there any way to correct that. This is also true for shutdown
[06:27] <novosirj> Not sure I'd ask that one in here...
[06:28] <novosirj> This is Kubuntu, not Ubuntu... so there might be people using GNOME, but I'm not one of them.
[06:28] <Delvien> Woot Doom3 plays GREAT in linux
[06:28] <ilba7r> its the same under kde or gnome
[06:28] <nalioth> ilba7r: it's your acpi
[06:28] <Delvien> whats the same ilba7r
[06:29] <ilba7r> nailioth do i need to reinstall it then. It only happened after i upgraded from hoary
[06:29] <nalioth> ilba7r: i'd ask in #ubuntu there are more brains there
[06:30] <ilba7r> i am trying that now thanx nalioth
[06:30] <ilba7r> delvien its a problem i have with reboot
[06:30] <novosirj> Anyone know how to make hibernate an option?
[06:30] <Delvien> ilba7r maybe i can help :/ whats seems to be the problem
[06:31] <novosirj> It was briefly.
[06:31] <novosirj> Now it seems to be missing.
[06:31] <novosirj> What I'd really like is for the power button to hibernate.
[06:31] <novosirj> But there are no config options for the power button in KDE, only the lid, etc.
[06:31] <Delvien> under klaptop ACPI config i beleive
[06:31] <ilba7r> in breezy when i use the shutdown or reboot. The pc shutdown all operation but does not reboot. I have to unplug it from the power source then turn it on manually is there any way to correct that. This is also true for shutdown
[06:32] <ilba7r> so i need to check the acpi config ok thanx delvien
[06:32] <Delvien> ilba7r hmm  how long do you wait?
[06:32] <ilba7r> for ever
[06:32] <Delvien> ilba7r no sorry that was aimed to novosirj
[06:32] <Delvien> ilba7r but i would check anyway
[06:32] <ilba7r> no problem thanks for trying to help though
[06:33] <Delvien> ilba7r hmm  how long do you wait?
[06:33] <Delvien> ilba7r before you plug it in and reboot
[06:33] <ilba7r> delvien it does never finish the job. I get a message reboot and the pc just hangs
[06:34] <Delvien> ilba7r if im not mistaken right after it says TERM signal etc, it tries to shut down X , have youj been getting any other errors lately?
[06:34] <ilba7r> nope
[06:34] <Delvien> ilba7r it could be an X problem
[06:35] <ilba7r> it terminates everything
[06:35] <Delvien> ilba7r hmm , then hangs?
[06:35] <Delvien> ilba7r or do you get a blinking cursor
[06:35] <ilba7r> all servers too. Just when it say Rebooting it hangs on. So i think it is just the final step
[06:35] <Delvien> thats wierd, new installation?
[06:36] <ilba7r> nope upgrade from horay
[06:36] <Delvien> ilba7r ah, sorry i cant help ya, might be a upgrade issue, i would search the forums see if anyone else has the same problem
[06:36] <Delvien> ilba7r ive never seen a prob like this , sorry bro :(
[06:37] <ilba7r> thank you for trying and am doing that right now
[06:37] <Delvien> cool good luck
[06:37] <Delvien> illl search too
[06:37] <novosirj> Was it broken before you updated?
[06:42] <Delvien> i forget how to i mount an iso ?
[06:44] <novosirj> via loopback.
[06:44] <novosirj> I forget exactly how it's done.
[06:44] <novosirj> But that's a clue anyway.
[06:44] <crimsun> sudo modprobe loop && sudo mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt
[06:44] <novosirj> There ya go.
[06:46] <DShepherd> Delvien: you using Ubuntu breezy?
[06:46] <Delvien> aye
[06:46] <DShepherd> check your starter guide in the help section
[06:47] <DShepherd> should be right there under tips and tricks
[06:47] <DShepherd> Delvien: ok?
[06:47] <Delvien> kk
[06:50] <Knowerrors> Hey all, I plugin in my camera to the usb port and get this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/o02LG168.html in /var/log/message file, can anybody help please?
[06:51] <_bart> i can't play any video with kaffeine! - what is the deal?
[07:07] <icewt> aptndude: try to install kaffeine-xine and select it in settings -> player engine
[07:15] <egats> anyone awake?
[07:15] <yudi> does anyone know how to install freeradius from kubuntu (without installed it from freeradius-1.0.5.tar.gz that can be downloaded from freeradius.org)? i use kubuntu v5.04 
[07:16] <icewt> depends on the problem ;)
[07:16] <yudi> i just don't know about apt-get install freeradius ?
[07:16] <egats> i've gotten myself very confused
[07:17] <kkathman> yudi:  I dont know, is freeradius in the repos?
[07:17] <egats> yudi: have you searched adept for freeradius?
[07:18] <kkathman> freeradius - a high-performance and highly configurable RADIUS server
[07:18] <kkathman> yes its there at least in 5.10
[07:18] <kkathman> yudi you should try sudo apt-get install freeradius  see if thats ok
[07:18] <egats> is there a command to figure out what version of a driver i'm using for my wifi card?
[07:19] <kkathman> egats do you know what the driver is?
[07:19] <kkathman> if so, you can do an apt-get -v <driver>
[07:19] <kkathman> possibly
[07:19] <egats> i _think_ the filename is acx_pci.ko
[07:20] <kkathman> was it loaded on boot?
[07:20] <egats> it's the default that comes with breezy
[07:20] <kkathman> maybe dmesg has a record of it
[07:20] <Parisi> acx?
[07:21] <egats> yes. the acx100.
[07:21] <Parisi> I had a acx111
[07:21] <Parisi> What is the problem?
[07:21] <egats> i'm trying to get my card to play nice with kismet
[07:22] <Parisi> Does it work at all?
[07:22] <egats> well, sort of. kismet runs, and finds a few networks
[07:22] <Parisi> gee, dont think i have downloading anything this fast before
[07:22] <Parisi> almost 700 kb/s
[07:22] <egats> but most of the data is missing
[07:22] <yudi> about freeradius installation: E: Couldn't find package freeradius
[07:22] <egats> like, for channel, it says "---"
[07:23] <egats> and for WEP, it says "N" for all, even though i know some are WEP
[07:23] <Parisi> egats Have you checked the config file for kismet?
[07:23] <egats> yes
[07:23] <Parisi> I would suggest a better chipset for things like that.
[07:23] <icewt> yudi: it's in universe
[07:23] <Parisi> Since the support on the acx isnt native or is it?
[07:23] <egats> support for what?
[07:24] <Parisi> Linux.
[07:24] <Parisi> For the acx100
[07:24] <yudi> icewt: what do you mean?
[07:24] <egats> well, i've been to acx100.sourceforge.net
[07:25] <Parisi> I see.
[07:25] <egats> they have linux drivers (although kubuntu comes with a set already)
[07:25] <Parisi> Well, thats kinda hard to diagnose.
[07:25] <icewt> yudi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:25] <Parisi> All of that is experimental
[07:25] <egats> i also found on houseofcraig the firmware for my chip
[07:26] <yudi> icewt: is this what you mean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository?
[07:26] <Parisi> I can only suggest that you may try a different driver or card.
[07:26] <Parisi> Or check the config files.
[07:26] <yudi> without the "?"
[07:26] <egats> Paris: that's what i'm trying to do
[07:26] <Parisi> egats Ya, sounds good.
[07:26] <egats> i'm just confusing myself
[07:26] <Parisi> Heh, arent we all.
[07:27] <egats> so i downloaded the firmware (.bin's) but it just says to put them in a certain directory
[07:27] <Parisi> I have a atheros card, and even that is sorta buggy
[07:27] <egats> doesn't say anything about flashing. how could they make it to the chip?
[07:27] <icewt> yudi: i can't seem to get that url work. however, it's all explained in the url i pasted
[07:27] <Parisi> So i just stick with wired for now, faster and more reliable anyways.
[07:27] <yudi> ok
[07:28] <Parisi> egats Doesnt breezy have a graphical front end for the wrapper ?
[07:28] <icewt> yudi: and the kubuntu part is in the bottom of the page
[07:28] <Parisi> I have yet to try Kubuntu from the Kubuntu iso, i hope its less resource hog than Gnome
[07:28] <Parisi> Gnome is just slugish.
[07:29] <egats> i can't use a wrapper with kismet
[07:29] <egats> how would i find out if it's a wrapped driver?
[07:30] <Parisi> Well, try looking for the module loaded
[07:30] <Parisi> Maybe its a different module?
[07:32] <egats> i'm unfamiliar with what a "module" is
[07:32] <egats> is that different than "package"?
[07:33] <egats> how do i get a list of loaded modules?
[07:33] <Parisi> Yes, module is sorta like a driver loaded on the background that serves as the bridge between the hardware and the OS
[07:33] <Parisi> Its just a driver
[07:33] <Parisi> For the card.
[07:33] <egats> oh.
[07:33] <Parisi> type 
[07:34] <Parisi> "lsmod" to list modules loaded
[07:34] <egats> oh, yeah. i already did that. lol.
[07:34] <yudi> icewt: there is no synaptic.. i just found kynaptic at here,... and then i did Edit -> Find about freeradius or radius and i can't find it
[07:35] <egats> Paris: it definitely is acx_pci
[07:36] <egats> but the next listing after that is "firmware_pci" with a "used by" value of acx_pci
[07:37] <egats> i think my big confusing is about how firmware and the driver work together
[07:38] <yudi> icewt: i try to enabling from web site information with ALT + F2 then type adept then OK and there is command not found
[07:38] <egats> i thought the firmware was flashed onto the chip, not stored on the disk
[07:38] <Parisi> egats It is flashed on the hardware, i am not sure why you need the firmware, you must be trying a different procedure.
[07:39] <Parisi> egats With the ndsiwrapper you do not need the firmware as far as i know.
[07:39] <icewt> yudi: ah, well, i guess hoary doesn't include adept
[07:39] <egats> as i said before, i don't think i'm using ndiswrapper
[07:39] <nalioth> icewt: not unless you built it
[07:40] <egats> Paris: these sites keep telling me "the driver looks for the firmware in" (some path)
[07:40] <icewt> yudi: well, you can do it by hand with some text editor
[07:40] <egats> that's the part i don't understand. why would the driver be looking for a firmware image?
[07:40] <yudi> can you give more information of it icewt 
[07:41] <icewt> yudi: try    kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:41] <Parisi> egats Try googling it.
[07:41] <egats> :'-(
[07:42] <egats> i've been googling and surfing the forums for 6 hours now
[07:42] <egats> there's just so much i don't understand about linux, and about what i'm reading
[07:43] <icewt> yudi: and find the line that doesn't have # in front of it and has "main" and "restricted" in it. add "universe" and "multiverse" to it
[07:43] <yudi> icewt: i try that command at console and found this error: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server   then    Xlib: No protocol specified    and    kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[07:43] <egats> i wouldn't have come in here for help if i could do it on my own
[07:44] <icewt> yudi: err.. did you try it in a terminal emulator?
[07:44] <icewt> yudi: alt+2 -> konsole
[07:45] <icewt> err.. alt+F2
[07:45] <Parisi> egats I understand your frustration/
[07:46] <yudi> ok
[07:47] <egats> Paris: frustration was an hour ago. now i'm just depressed.
[07:48] <Parisi> egats heh, sounds like you need a new hobby.
[07:49] <Parisi> egats Pick a new wireless card, will save you lots of trouble.
[07:53] <egats> Paris: what would be the absolute best wifi card (maximum native linux support, rfmon, plays nice with kismet, etc)?
[07:54] <Parisi> egats Well, the prism seems to be popular but i find it a little outdated these days, your best bet would be one of the atheros based cards, those are natively supported under both Linux and BSD.
[07:55] <Parisi> egats And they are not too expensive either.
[07:55] <Parisi> I have a Netgear wg311t, But i do not like it too much.
[07:55] <nalioth> Parisi: names and are they usb format?
[07:55] <Parisi> But its supported fine.
[07:56] <Parisi> nalioth Most of these are in the USB format as well, its just how it communicates with the machine, the chipset itself does not change.,
[07:57] <Parisi> Ah, ibook, that i cannot tell you.
[07:57] <Parisi> I would stick with OSX if apple hardware.
[07:57] <nalioth> Parisi: no, the question is: ootb linux supported usb wifi sticks
[07:58] <Parisi> I going to buy a Powerbook one of these days just for that.
[07:58] <nalioth> whether it's an ibook or not doesnt matter
[07:59] <Parisi> I'll tell you what:
[07:59] <Parisi> http://customerproducts.atheros.com/customerproducts/
[07:59] <Parisi> Take your pick.
[07:59] <Parisi> My card will be listed there.
[08:00] <nalioth> thank you much
[08:00] <Parisi> http://customerproducts.atheros.com/customerproducts/ResultsPageBasic.asp
[08:00] <Parisi>  108 Mbps Wireless PCI Adapter - Model WG311T
[08:00] <Parisi> 
[08:00] <Parisi>  PCI
[08:00] <Parisi> 
[08:00] <Parisi>  802.11b/g
[08:00] <Parisi> 
[08:00] <Parisi>  AR5005UG
[08:00] <Parisi> My bad, i apologize.
[08:01] <Parisi> http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WG111T.php
[08:01] <Parisi> Here's one.
[08:01] <Parisi> I wouldnt recommend Netgear tho.
[08:01] <nalioth> Parisi: i need usb
[08:01] <nalioth> not pci
[08:01] <nexu> i saw a very nice usb wifi adapter with a buildin AP scanner 
[08:01] <Parisi> That is USB
[08:02] <Parisi> The wg111
[08:02] <Parisi> brb,
[08:02] <nalioth> the wg111 is atheros based?
[08:04] <aptndude> i installed kubuntu today - very nice looking d.e., but i can't play any video with kaffeine! - I have installed w32codecs and ran gst-register-0.8, what am i missing?
[08:04] <nalioth> ubotu: tell aptndude about multimedia
[08:04] <Parisi> nalioth According to that, yes.
[08:06] <nalioth> Parisi: so what hoops are needed to run one of those sticks?
[08:07] <Parisi> Hoops?
[08:07] <Parisi> I'll brb, testing some guitar software for win.
[08:08] <nalioth> a very knowledgable user in #ubuntu recommended a netgear ma111 to me (cuz he used on on his ibook, and reported it worked ootb)
[08:08] <nalioth> Parisi: my ma111 is obviously a mutant, b/c it doesnt work or respond to testing at all
[08:08] <Parisi> Hey that might work, what chipset is that based on.
[08:08] <Parisi> Hmm..
[08:09] <Parisi> I see.
[08:12] <icewt> aptndude: kaffeine-xine
[08:17] <egats> "iwconfig wlan0" says my card *is* in monitor mode! :)
[08:17] <egats> so, that wasn't the problem. kismet is still acting weird.
[08:17] <egats> the "status" pane actually found a network with the MAC id of my router, but still <no ssid> and WEP=N (both of which are wrong)
[08:23] <yomoyomo> hello everyone :)
[08:25] <egats> hi, yo
[08:26] <chakie_work> what package would contain the normal man-pages for the standard library C functions?
[08:26] <chakie_work> such as fprintf(), exit() etc
[08:27] <crimsun> chakie_work: manpages-dev
[08:27] <chakie_work> it's a slight annoyance in the rectum to have to guess the params to funcs :) 
[08:28] <chakie_work> crimsun: ah, ok, thanks
[08:28] <chakie_work> slightly badly named package
[08:28] <chakie_work> i saw the package, but it made me thinkg of stuff for developing man-pages
[08:33] <egats> anyone know what the normal mode is called for wifi? (opposite of rfmon)
[08:36] <aftertaf> egats:  not working, i think (judging by everyones messages)
[08:38] <egats> lol
[08:43] <Delvien> hehe linux is funny with resources.
[08:44] <Delvien> still a very powerful OS tho, i love it , and once i started it, i found XP to be slow, unresponsive , and all around broken
[08:46] <aptndude> nalioth: ahhh thanks for the pointer - right on right on - b e a utiful
[09:01] <Yomoyomo> anybody here use mol?
[09:20] <lexhider> I changed the appropriate FileAssociation setting, but I still can't open a *.ram with the RealPlayer10 I installed. Can anyone help me out?
[09:22] <aftertaf> lexhider:  if you roght click your ram file and choose realplayer, does it work?
[09:23] <lexhider> check out the links at: http://www.abc.net.au/broadband/. I can't directly click on the *.ram files. I am only given the choice to SaveAs or to open with Kaffeine even though realplayer is 1st in order infront of kaffeine
[09:26] <lexhider> I tried a different ram link from a different site and the answer to the 1st question is yes, I can open ram files with RealPlayer. This doesn't help me in this situation though.
[09:34] <lexhider> figured it out
[09:35] <lexhider> 1st there are 2 different file associations
[09:35] <lexhider> x-pn-realaudio
[09:35] <lexhider> vnd-rn-realaudio
[09:36] <lexhider> and there is some embedding setting for it to open in Kaffeine gstreamer, which was causing the problem.
[10:04] <propagandhi> anyone here
[10:04] <KaoticEvil> anyone awake in here?
[10:06] <robin_> I still got little problems with HAL
[10:07] <KaoticEvil> im having problems keeping my system running...
[10:07] <KaoticEvil> lol... it seems like it hits standby mode... but ive got power management disabled in the BIOS...
[10:08] <robin_> when I connect my iPod, it opens two tabs in konqueror, of which one is pointing to wrong mount point. Other prob is that, I can't umount the iPod, because I'm not root, and it isn't listed in /etc/fstab
[10:08] <robin_> KaoticEvil: it goes into standby automatically ?
[10:09] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[10:09] <KaoticEvil> twice.. i was adjusting my settings, and then bam... keyboard lights go off, monitor turns off...
[10:09] <robin_> KaoticEvil: and what if you turn on power management in your BIOS
[10:09] <KaoticEvil> mouse if still powered (USB), and the tower itself is still on
[10:10] <KaoticEvil> well, this is the only distro to do that... had Slack 9 and 10.2, SuSE 9.1, Gentoo, and Vector Linux... 
[10:10] <KaoticEvil> none of those did it.. only kubuntu...
[10:11] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: it COULD be X falling over rather than power management
[10:11] <KaoticEvil> i dont think it actually *is* standby mode tho... because the tower itself stays totally powered
[10:11] <robin_> KaoticEvil: can you login a console ctrl+alt+f1
[10:12] <nikkia> robin_: if X has fallen over and taken the keyboard out, probably not :)
[10:12] <KaoticEvil> i dont know... im relatively new to linux ;)
[10:12] <KaoticEvil> ill try it.. brb
[10:12] <robin_> nikkia: you got a point :)
[10:13] <nikkia> robin_: i've seen it do that, its very annoying, usually a problem with video drivers, and usually when using ATI :)
[10:13] <KaoticEvil> i think youre right...
[10:13] <KaoticEvil> i think X is dying on me
[10:13] <robin_> KaoticEvil: what is your graka ?
[10:13] <robin_> KaoticEvil: eh GPU ?
[10:13] <KaoticEvil> because when i hit the power button, it does like its supposed to do... safe shutdown
[10:14] <KaoticEvil> onboard intel 810x chip
[10:14] <robin_> KaoticEvil: hmm wait a minute, I got that on my laptop
[10:14] <KaoticEvil> its an old HP pavilion box... 400 MHz celeron
[10:14] <robin_> KaoticEvil: was something wrong  with
[10:14] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: so you're not going to be using 3D games anyway :)
[10:14] <robin_> KaoticEvil: refresh rate or something like taht
[10:14] <KaoticEvil> no, im not lol
[10:14] <KaoticEvil> not afaik
[10:14] <KaoticEvil> it runs for a while, then just dies
[10:15] <robin_> KaoticEvil: try to run into console, and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-zorg
[10:15] <robin_> KaoticEvil: try to run into console, and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> and yes, nikkia, it IS very annoying :P
[10:15] <robin_> I only don't know how to skip booting in X
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> me either...
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> well, X starts, and runs... until i try to change graphical settings :P (lookNfeel
[10:15] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: so, reconfigure X with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the vesa driver
[10:16] <KaoticEvil> ok.. its in the other room... one sec
[10:16] <nalioth> nikkia: where have you been? howdy!
[10:16] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: if by some chance, it IS using vesa, you could try the i810 driver, but i imagine thats what its using now
[10:16] <nikkia> nalioth: playing WoW under windows :P
[10:16] <nikkia> was on holiday all week, so was on WoW all week
[10:16] <KaoticEvil> theres an i810 driver?
[10:17] <nalioth> nikkia: well i'm glad the evil orcs let you out of prison, to be with us
[10:17] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: yes
[10:17] <robin_> KaoticEvil: i810 should work, probably something wrong with refresh rate
[10:17] <KaoticEvil> ive never messed about with X configuration...
[10:17] <robin_> KaoticEvil: first thing to do is going to console with ctrl+alt+f1, than
[10:17] <nikkia> robin_: i would try vesa first, and make sure it doesn't fall over with that
[10:17] <KaoticEvil> except once to get my mnouse working :P
[10:17] <robin_> nikkia: ok
[10:17] <nikkia> IME, intel's provided drivers are utter trash
[10:17] <KaoticEvil> lol
[10:17] <KaoticEvil> intel is just utter trash, IMO :P
[10:17] <nikkia> if it still crashes with vesa, then something else is wrong
[10:17] <robin_> KaoticEvil: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[10:18] <robin_> KaoticEvil: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
[10:18] <nikkia> robin, you can do the dpkg-reconfigure with X running, then just hit ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X
[10:18] <robin_> KaoticEvil: you can also look into /var/log/Xorg (?) or somehting like that
[10:18] <nikkia> its a lot friendlier that way
[10:18] <robin_> nikkia: really ?
[10:18] <robin_> nikkia: ok
[10:18] <KaoticEvil> hmmm.. that is easier ;)
[10:18] <robin_> nikkia: I knew about restarting, but thought dpkg gives warning 
[10:18] <nikkia> robin, dpkg-reconfigure only touches the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file afaik, and thats only read by X at startup, so no worries about changing it while X is running
[10:19] <KaoticEvil> but i like to get my hands dirty.... cant learn any other way ;)
[10:19] <robin_> KaoticEvil: do what suits you best :)
[10:19] <nikkia> robin_: if you do auto detect hw, yes, it'll be a problem, but he's not going to do that, because he wants to force vesa :)
[10:19] <nikkia> (and auto detect MAY work, if your video driver supports multiple X sessions, which most do under xorg, xfree would be a different story
[10:19] <robin_> nikkia: true true
[10:22] <KaoticEvil> lovely.... ive not tried to do anything as root yet... but just now realized that i never set a root passwd...
[10:22] <KaoticEvil> is there a default or something?
[10:22] <Kaiser_Away> use sudo
[10:22] <KaoticEvil> err...
[10:22] <robin_> sudo
[10:22] <KaoticEvil> not familar with it
[10:22] <KaoticEvil> always used su
[10:22] <robin_> KaoticEvil: well it is easy
[10:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> the root password is your password for the KDE controll center etc
[10:22] <robin_> KaoticEvil: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:22] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[10:22] <robin_> KaoticEvil: same pass as your first user
[10:22] <nalioth> there is no root account
[10:23] <robin_> well it is disabled
[10:23] <KaoticEvil> doh.. that seems a little silly to me ;)
[10:23] <robin_> you can also run sudo su, so your back into su again:)
[10:23] <aftertaf> KaoticEvil:  stops newb damage a little bit...
[10:24] <nalioth> robin_: please dont advise that, advise sudo -s instead
[10:24] <robin_> nalioth: oh, what's wrong with sudo su ?
[10:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: wouldent sudo -i be better?
[10:25] <nalioth> robin_: root access is disabled in *buntu for a reason
[10:25] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: either way works fine -s or -i
[10:25] <robin_> nalioth: I know, but what's the difference between sudo -s and sudo su
[10:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: i just thought because of the full root env, but yeh, same shell :)
[10:27] <nalioth> robin_: sudo su is redundant, and it has no time limit
[10:27] <robin_> nalioth: ok
[10:27] <robin_> nalioth: didn't knew
[10:27] <robin_> I got an problem too, who can help me
[10:27] <robin_> I still got little problems with HAL
[10:27] <robin_> when I connect my iPod, it opens two tabs in konqueror, of which one is pointing to wrong mount point. Other prob is that, I can't umount the iPod, because I'm not root, and it isn't listed in /etc/fstab
[10:28] <KaoticEvil> well.. it was using the i810 driver
[10:28] <KaoticEvil> i changed it to VESA.. and now it wont go above 800*600 o_o
[10:29] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: but does it do the crashing anymore ?
[10:29] <KaoticEvil> i dont know
[10:29] <KaoticEvil> it was random
[10:29] <nikkia> oh, from what you said it sounded like it happened every time :/
[10:29] <robin_> KaoticEvil: check the log!
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> in /var/log/X<something> ?
[10:30] <robin_> yes
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> ok
[10:30] <robin_> KaoticEvil: your computer is another room ?
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> yup :P
[10:30] <robin_> KaoticEvil: install ssh, and work remote
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> gonna fire up a client in there...
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> this box is windows 
[10:30] <robin_> KaoticEvil: so what
[10:30] <robin_> KaoticEvil: install putty
[10:30] <KaoticEvil> and its not mine ;)
[10:31] <robin_> KaoticEvil: k
[10:31] <KaoticEvil> ill fire up a client in there
[10:31] <KaoticEvil> brb
[10:33] <KaoticEvil> ok, here we are
[10:34] <robin_> welcome back
[10:34] <KaoticEvil> ty
[10:34] <KaoticEvil> oh, and i was wrong... its down to 640*480 :P
[10:34] <KaoticEvil> opening the log...
[10:35] <KaoticEvil> i gotta admit... i do like this distro :)
[10:35] <robin_> KaoticEvil: hehe
[10:35] <raphink> :)
[10:35] <KaoticEvil> ok, what am i looking for in the log file?
[10:35] <robin_> well what about errors :)
[10:36] <KaoticEvil> :P
[10:36] <KaoticEvil> smartass :P
[10:36] <robin_> thx
[10:37] <KaoticEvil> ok, checking both logs... no errors, actually..
[10:37] <robin_> KaoticEvil: hmm
[10:37] <KaoticEvil> both the current (using VESA) and the backup (using i810)
[10:37] <robin_> KaoticEvil: ok well,try again i810 and change refresh right
[10:38] <KaoticEvil> ... ok
[10:38] <KaoticEvil> sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg right?
[10:38] <robin_> roger
[10:38] <KaoticEvil> cool :>
[10:38] <robin_> eh no
[10:38] <robin_> reconfigure actually
[10:38] <robin_> sorry
[10:38] <robin_> :D
[10:39] <robin_> but don't know if that matters
[10:39] <KaoticEvil> oh, heh... well, it was in my bash history anyway ;)
[10:40] <KaoticEvil> hmmmmmmm......... i got an idea... but ill work that out later 
[10:41] <robin_> KaoticEvil: ?
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> i thnk ill chang eit to 16-bit color as well.... slack seemed to do better like that
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> ok, restarting X... brb
[10:46] <KaoticEvil> wow///
[10:46] <robin_> KaoticEvil: it worked ?
[10:46] <KaoticEvil> that REALLY fux0red it up LOL
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> X wont even start now :P
[10:47] <robin_> hmm
[10:47] <robin_> KaoticEvil: did you select the right refresh ?
[10:47] <robin_> and resolution
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> yup
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> and yup
[10:47] <robin_> well, I think there should be an error message now in the log :D
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> i cant get to it now ;)
[10:48] <robin_> KaoticEvil: console ?
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> cant get to it
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> X tries to start, dies, and then leaves me hanging at one of the boot processes lol
[10:49] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: what happens if you hit enter :)
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> i know computers.... been working on them for 16 years...
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> but it was all M$ stuff lol
[10:50] <robin_> DOS is almost same as Linux console
[10:50] <KaoticEvil> i know] 
[10:50] <KaoticEvil> im very familiar with DOS... grew up on it ;)
[10:50] <KaoticEvil> and enter does nothing
[10:50] <robin_> who didnt' :)
[10:50] <KaoticEvil> lol
[10:50] <KaoticEvil> anyone coming up today? :P
[10:50] <KaoticEvil> all they get is a GUI... they dont know anything about CLI's
[10:51] <robin_> yes it's a shame
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> yes, it is
[10:51] <robin_> they can only click :
[10:51] <robin_> )
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> yup
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> you cant learn a damned thing about a computer by clicking on it
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> and its only mac users that can just click... windows people can click AN right-click :P
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> and*
[10:52] <robin_> yeah MAC is a way behind :)
[10:52] <raphink> mac users can right click too KaoticEvil 
[10:52] <raphink> since Mac OS 8
[10:52] <raphink> about 7 years ago
[10:53] <robin_> yes, but not with default mouse :)
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> lol :P
[10:53] <raphink> oh well
[10:53] <raphink> they use Ctrl+click
[10:53] <robin_> I know
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[10:53] <raphink> but then if you buy a decent mouse for your mac
[10:53] <raphink> you can right click
[10:53] <raphink> I used to have a 5 buttons mouse on mac os
[10:53] <raphink> and it worked fine
[10:53] <robin_> :)
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> i havent used a mac since.... wow.... i think it was OS8.. maybe 7... back in high school :P
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> i remember using ResEdit to make them say "Welcome to MacIntrash" tho heh... teacher used to SCREAM at me...
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> he couldnt figure out what i was doing.. pissed him off LOLOL
[10:55] <KaoticEvil> any ideas, robin_?
[10:55] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: the best 'hack' was loading up tetris on the programmer's (debug) button :)
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> lol
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> never did that... heard about it tho...
[10:56] <robin_> KaoticEvil: KaoticEvil well actually, I think I pass the question over to nikkia 
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> i used to have fun playin aruondin MacControl... i got the techer level password.. it let me move the CPL out of startup ;)
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> heh robin_...
[10:56] <raphink> KaoticEvil: I used to play with resedit and resorcerer a lo(t
[10:57] <raphink> my Mac would welcome me with `Welcome to Raph'OS'
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> RedEdit was awesome
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> lol
[10:57] <raphink> with nice notes arout it
[10:57] <raphink> :)
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> do they still include it as part of the OS?
[10:57] <raphink> then it would play a music at boot
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[10:57] <raphink> when I was 14
[10:57] <raphink> I spent about 16 hours
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> heh... soundslike something i would do :P
[10:57] <raphink> hacking a game in asm 68k
[10:57] <raphink> to access the higher levels
[10:58] <raphink> lol
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> damn dude....
[10:58] <raphink> with no asm manual
[10:58] <raphink> lol
[10:58] <raphink> that was fun
[10:58] <robin_> nerd
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> never got that far into it... 
[10:58] <robin_> :P
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> LOL indeed...
[10:58] <raphink> that's the worse I did though
[10:58] <raphink> I had a whole listing of the subfunctions of the program
[10:58] <raphink> in asm
[10:58] <raphink> that I had written by hand
[10:58] <raphink> since I had no printer
[10:58] <raphink> lol
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> i used to use debug for manual file recovey... reading up data raw from the harddrive... editing it in hex... ugh, that sucked
[10:58] <raphink> sadly all the subfunctions or quite
[10:59] <raphink> were named anon
[10:59] <raphink> so it wouldn't help
[10:59] <raphink> so I had to identify the function of each anon
[10:59] <raphink> using the debugger
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> wow
[10:59] <raphink> that was fun :)
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> what game?
[10:59] <raphink> it was a kalaha game
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> heh
[10:59] <raphink> I was frustrated
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> you ARE a nerd :P
[10:59] <raphink> because I couldn't play higher levels
[10:59] <raphink> or use other rules
[10:59] <raphink> yetthey were included
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> why couldnt you play them?
[11:00] <raphink> so I removed a bra in the program
[11:00] <raphink> so it wouldn't ask me the SN
[11:00] <raphink> ;)
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> lol
[11:00] <raphink> and would consider I was registered
[11:00] <raphink> :)
[11:00] <raphink> it worked fine
[11:00] <raphink> I was surprised :)
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> the original cracker, right here ladies and gentelmen :P
[11:00] <raphink> then I changed the images 
[11:01] <raphink> so my name would be included in the trailer
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> good grief
[11:01] <raphink> lol
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[11:01] <raphink> it said
[11:01] <raphink> specially hacked by : raphink
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> you code in ASM at all?
[11:01] <raphink> no 
[11:01] <raphink> not at all
[11:01] <raphink> I don't code
[11:01] <raphink> lol
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> damn
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> you should.. its a lotta fun
[11:01] <raphink> well havent' coded much that is
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> << amatuer programmer
[11:01] <raphink> I code mostly in html/php/mysql
[11:01] <raphink> and I used to code in ada and c for my school
[11:02] <raphink> that was frustrating
[11:02] <robin_> c++ all the way
[11:02] <raphink> because I had coded a game in ada
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> those arent programing langs ;)
[11:02] <raphink> not only was it slow
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> well, ada and c are..
[11:02] <raphink> but I had used the jewl libraries
[11:02] <nikkia> i much prefer Ada over C++
[11:02] <raphink> so I can't port my game to linux
[11:02] <nikkia> and i've been programming in C++ since 1991
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> FreePascal here :)
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> i was trying to learn C++... but i got too frustrated
[11:02] <raphink> then I had to learn fortran 95 at school
[11:02] <robin_> never used Ada, only C, C++, Java, and scripting, little bit python, php, perl.
[11:02] <raphink> that disgusted me from programming I guess
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> i can do html fairly well
[11:03] <nikkia> the only thing about Ada that i don't like, is the lack of libraries, but thats not really the language's fault :)
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> Delphi i can also do pretty good...
[11:03] <robin_> MSVB :)
[11:03] <raphink> KaoticEvil: I'm used to making html/php/mysql/css/javascript
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> ugh!
[11:03] <raphink> but that's not programming really
[11:03] <robin_> indeed
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> nope ;)
[11:03] <nikkia> i'm not even going to start listing the languages i've programmed in :P
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> lol
[11:04] <KaoticEvil> anyway... nikkia... got any ideas for me? :D
[11:04] <robin_> yeah nikkia help the poor guy
[11:04] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: not sure what the problem is, really, you could just let it auto-detect the settings, but then you'd need to stop X first :)
[11:04] <KaoticEvil> CSS isnt really that much different than HTML... except it pretty much just handles formatting
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> well, now it wont run at all :P
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> is there a way to just get it to boot to a console?
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> instead of starting X right away?
[11:06] <raphink> KaoticEvil: you can even install only a server
[11:06] <raphink> without a console
[11:06] <raphink> if you don't need X
[11:06] <nalioth> ubotu: tell KaoticEvil about bum
[11:06] <robin_> KaoticEvil: just hit ctrl+alt+f1
[11:06] <raphink> choose `server' when installing
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> no, i need X...
[11:07] <raphink> hehe
[11:07] <KaoticEvil> its my desktop machine :P
[11:07] <KaoticEvil> i aint tryin to use lynx or links :P
[11:07] <KaoticEvil> i much prefer Firefox ;)
[11:09] <fatbrain> Firefox doesn't do KDE, that sucks :|
[11:09] <fatbrain> and I'm to lazy to fix the Qt theme thnigie.
[11:09] <aljosa> what's the name of (un)rar package?
[11:10] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: sadly, no, for some reason, the ubuntu people decided to get rid of the old method of booting without X, don't know why really
[11:10] <nikkia> aljosa: there are two
[11:10] <nikkia> unrar-free and unrar-nonfree iirc
[11:10] <aftertaf> aljosa:  unrar :)
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> wow... this sucks...
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> nikkia> mandrake was like that as well
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> at least it was in 7.2
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> so was a version of RedHat i tried...7.<something>
[11:11] <aljosa> nikkia: what's the difference?
[11:11] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: supporting booting without X *does* make some aspects of package management more complicated (you need to maintain 2 runlevels rather than 1) but IMO, not enough to justify getting rid of a useful feature
[11:12] <nikkia> alexandros: 'free' is a open source implementation that doesn't handle a lot of new rar files, 'nonfree' is the 'free' (but not Open Source) version of unrar from the winrar people
[11:12] <KaoticEvil> well, i like the ability to be able to bootr directly into X.... 
[11:12] <nikkia> aljosa: rather :P
[11:12] <KaoticEvil> BUT... i also like being able to stop at a console if i need to
[11:12] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: *nod*
[11:13] <aljosa> in which repository? i don't seem to have it
[11:13] <aljosa> nikkia: in which repository? i don't seem to have it
[11:13] <nikkia> !find unrar-nonfree
[11:13] <nikkia> !info unrar-nonfree
[11:13] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[11:14] <nikkia> there, in multiverse
[11:14] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: its trivial to add the functionality back, if you want to
[11:14] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: sudo rm /etc/rc3.d/S21kdm
[11:14] <robin_> hmm, amarok did crash my whole linux :/
[11:14] <nikkia> KaoticEvil: then specify runlevel 3 to boot without X
[11:14] <nikkia> (the default should be runlevel 2)
[11:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'unrar-nonfree' returned no results.
[11:15] <nikkia> ubotu: you're stupid :P
[11:15] <ubotu> nikkia: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:16] <nalioth> !info unrar-nonfree
[11:16] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[11:16] <nikkia> nalioth: exactly, but !find didn't find it *shrug*
[11:16] <nalioth> find rar
[11:16] <nalioth> !find rar
[11:17] <KaoticEvil> ok
[11:17] <KaoticEvil> now im getting a "no screens found" error :|
[11:18] <KaoticEvil> which is BS... because i KNOW that card/monitor will handle 1024*768*24@75Hz
[11:19] <KaoticEvil> ok, got X running again :>
[11:19] <KaoticEvil> yay :) *does a happy dance*
[11:20] <nalioth> evidentally 'rar' returns too many results, ubotu fed me in a /PM
[11:23] <propagandhi> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5482
[11:24] <KaoticEvil> ok... if i vanish suddenly, its because X died on me again :P
[11:26] <KaoticEvil> ok, i know basically how apt-get works... where can i go to see a list of available packages?
[11:27] <fatbrain> KaoticEvil: apt-cache ? (guessing, heh)
[11:27] <Tm_T> yu
[11:27] <Tm_T> man apt ;)
[11:27] <KaoticEvil> :P
[11:27] <Tm_T> packages.ubuntu.com
[11:27] <KaoticEvil> ah, there we go :)
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> thats what i was after... thanks :)
[11:28] <robin_> apt-cache search unrar-nonfree | grep non-free
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> kubuntu 5.10 is breezy, right?
[11:28] <Tm_T> yes
[11:28] <robin_> yes
[11:29] <KaoticEvil> ok, thought so
[11:29] <Tm_T> Yesser
[11:29] <robin_> KaoticEvil: you can use apt:/ in konqueror
[11:29] <KaoticEvil> im not TOTALLY ignorant :P
[11:29] <robin_> it's a kio slave
[11:29] <KaoticEvil> oh yeah?
[11:29] <KaoticEvil> really... now thats cool :D
[11:29] <Tm_T> you can use the force too
[11:30] <KaoticEvil> the more i use linux, the more i like it, really
[11:30] <robin_> that's the way it goes
[11:30] <Tm_T> in this case, force is teh command line
[11:30] <KaoticEvil> lol Tim_t
[11:30] <Tm_T> tim?
[11:30] <KaoticEvil> yup, thats what im using :)
[11:30] <Tm_T> :(
[11:30] <KaoticEvil> meh... thought i saw an i :P
[11:30] <Tm_T> whois tim
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> i tohught i saw an "i: in there tm.. sorry..
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> used to mIRC and auto-complete ;) i cant find anything like that in Konversation
[11:32] <Tm_T> err
[11:32] <Tm_T> :/
[11:32] <KaoticEvil> tab doesnt work ;)
[11:32] <Tm_T> well, I don't use gui irc clients
[11:32] <Tm_T> use the force in irc too ;)
[11:33] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> lol... i do... ive gotten lazy since i got a GUI :P
[11:33] <Tm_T> err
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> i can still get around just fine using the force :P
[11:33] <Tm_T> what's the lazy part?
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> lol... using a GUI :P
[11:33] <Tm_T> I'm lazy, thats why I don't use gui if I don't have to
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> DOSShell :P
[11:33] <robin_> i'm using irssi too :)
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> copy/paste.. all that ;)
[11:34] <robin_> but that's because it's running on my server 24/7
[11:34] <Tm_T> I can do copy/paste in Konsole
[11:34] <robin_> and I want to be connect at all times ;)
[11:34] <Tm_T> robin_: same here * 3
[11:35] <robin_> only the logs take up a lot of space
[11:35] <robin_> :)
[11:35] <KaoticEvil> lol
[11:35] <Tm_T> not quite
[11:36] <KaoticEvil> ok, there we go... got autocomplete :)
[11:36] <Tm_T> less than 200MB /year
[11:36] <KaoticEvil> yall log chat?
[11:36] <robin_> got 420MB using irc since 1.5 year
[11:36] <Tm_T> and publish some stats
[11:36] <KaoticEvil> thas kinda scary lol
[11:36] <KaoticEvil> thats*
[11:36] <Tm_T> robin_: not much, if there's many channels
[11:37] <robin_> hmm no more than 1.5 year
[11:37] <Tm_T> personal best: over 1000 lines in one day in one channel
[11:38] <Tm_T> every day in one week :p
[11:38] <Tm_T> ;-P
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> damn
[11:39] <robin_> no about 1.5 year
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> sounds like something i used to do in my chat rooms :P
[11:41] <KaoticEvil>  ok... whats the difference between "Linux Console" and "shell" in konsole?
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> is there a difference?
[11:41] <robin_> hmm, other colour scheme ?
[11:42] <robin_> I got an error using linux console :)
[11:48] <nikkia> i think TERM is set differently
[11:49] <nikkia> oh, wait, you mean the 'New Linux console' option ?
[11:50] <nikkia> its a difference in how the shell is started, and thus which bash initialization is done
[12:03] <apokryphos> nikkia!!
[12:03] <pieterjan> hello?
[12:03] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[12:03] <pieterjan> I have a little question
[12:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: we've missed ya ;-)
[12:04] <nikkia> apokryphos: sure you have :P
[12:04] <pieterjan> I would like to turn on/off dma
[12:04] <pieterjan> my dvd's won't play properly
[12:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: good to know you're alive 8)
[12:04] <bimberi> !dma
[12:04] <pieterjan> is there a graphical way to do this
[12:04] <nikkia> apokryphos: i was on holiday, and playing WoW under windows most of the week :P
[12:04] <bimberi> !+dma
[12:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: ah, I thought it was late-November you were taking it
[12:05] <bimberi> heh
[12:05] <pieterjan> bimberi, where do I have to write !+dma?
[12:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm taking 2 days at the start of next month
[12:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: then from the 19th dec or so til the 4th or so of jan
[12:05] <bimberi> pieterjan: /msg ubotu dma (in your irc client)
[12:05] <apokryphos> pieterjan: /msg ubotu dma
[12:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: so you have been taking a genuine holiday? 8)
[12:06] <apokryphos> good to hear
[12:06] <bimberi> waah, ubotu won't let me use + anymore
[12:06] <bimberi> :(
[12:06] <pieterjan> !+dma?
[12:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: boss wanted me to work for half of it...
[12:06] <apokryphos> bimberi: what does he say?
[12:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: I hope you told him where to stick it :P
[12:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: pointed out that there was more than 2 days worth of work, so me working 2 days of my holiday would make FA difference in the long run
[12:06] <bimberi> "No, I won't harass the entire channel for you, bimberi."
[12:06] <apokryphos> haha
[12:07] <at1as> 
[12:07] <pieterjan> thanks
[12:07] <bimberi> pieterjan: !+dma was supposed to make the factoid appear here in the channel
[12:07] <bimberi> no botsnacks for ubotu tonight :P
[12:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: so you back to work now?
[12:08] <nikkia> yeah
[12:09] <apokryphos> I'm officially on "reading week" -- prime time for me to catch up on work. Now I just need to take advantage of it =)
[12:09] <chakie_work> hm, amarok can't play songs on my newly installed kubuntu. tried all engines i find. it just skips over the songs
[12:10] <chx> hi. how could I check Firefox about which Java it uses?
[12:10] <apokryphos> chakie: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[12:10] <chakie_work> ah, those were the plugins
[12:11] <chakie_work> i did that at home a few weeks ago, but couldn't remember what i did
[12:11] <chakie_work> apokryphos: thanks a lot
[12:11] <chx> hmmm ~/.java/deployment/log in here , plugin142.trace has a november date... so that's the one
[12:12] <volker> are there any edbian repositories, that i can add to kubuntus, without haveing to much problems??
[12:12] <apokryphos> not really
[12:12] <volker> i miss many progrmas in kubuntu
[12:12] <apokryphos> like?
[12:12] <volker> kile
[12:12] <apokryphos> !info kile
[12:12] <ubotu> kile: (KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment), section universe/tex, is optional. Version: 1:1.8.1-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1240 kB, Installed size: 5508 kB
[12:13] <apokryphos> volker: which happens to be in the repos :)
[12:13] <volker> mplayer
[12:13] <apokryphos> which is also in the repos
[12:13] <apokryphos> !tell volker about repositories
[12:13] <apokryphos> volker: enable the extra ones; the page I linked you to tells you how.
[12:13] <volker> thanks
[12:16] <pieterjan> another question: (I'm using kubuntu). I have mounted an external drive in /media/godfather/ but when I'm looking @ external devices, I only find my floppy and my cdrom drive
[12:17] <pieterjan> when I'm going to the map /media I find my external hard disk
[12:21] <KaoticEvil> well, im not sure exactly what did it...
[12:21] <KaoticEvil> but im chuggin away happily now :)
[12:21] <KaoticEvil> "apt-get"ting like a fool :P
[12:21] <KaoticEvil> thanks robin_ , and nikkia for your help :D
[12:23] <stdoubt> yoohoo
[12:23] <puckman> hooyoo
[12:23] <stdoubt> heya 4:23 here
[12:23] <puckman> I have not said this in weeks now..... time to say it.
[12:23] <apokryphos> =)
[12:24] <KaoticEvil> apt-get is just the shit... for real
[12:24] <stdoubt> kubuntu by default it seems, mounts all storage media??
[12:24] <puckman> Apart from missing Photoshop I have not used my mac for ages, just sits there in the corner :P
[12:25] <KaoticEvil> if you tell it to during install, yeah
[12:25] <KaoticEvil> lol
[12:25] <KaoticEvil> gimp is agood image editor tho :)
[12:26] <stdoubt> I have several HDDs in my PC --under debian, the user has access (rwx-rw-rw user user)
[12:26] <KaoticEvil> i had some problems with X earlier... and i was thinking about going back to slack... now... im not so sure
[12:26] <stdoubt> but under kubuntu I'm seeing (rwx-r-x-r-x root root)
[12:26] <KaoticEvil> change /etc/fstab ?
[12:27] <stdoubt> yep ,    user,noauto,defaults
[12:27] <stdoubt> for each device
[12:27] <KaoticEvil> hmmmmm
[12:27] <KaoticEvil> i dunno
[12:27] <stdoubt> remounted but all files on HDDs are user root wtf?!?!
[12:28] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: may i ask you not to apt-get non ubuntu repos
[12:28] <KaoticEvil> ineed to check and see if i even have rw access as user to my old FAT32 partition
[12:28] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: ?
[12:28] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: apt-get and it's bretheren are wonderful, but dont use non official repos
[12:28] <KaoticEvil> oh, im not
[12:28] <KaoticEvil> im just usin the default
[12:29] <robin_> KaoticEvil: great
[12:29] <KaoticEvil> and they ARE great... a HELLUVA lot easier than SuSE's YOU
[12:29] <KaoticEvil> i wouldnt even know HOW to use any other repository :P
[12:30] <stdoubt> whay would debian see files with user USER ; and kubuntu sees the same files as user ROOT?!?!? arrrrrggg
[12:30] <KaoticEvil> now.. the test...
[12:30] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: universe and multiverse are ok to include in the default, be wary of all others
[12:30] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: i have no idea how to change the sources from the defaults... nor do i really care to... id ptobably get myself into trouble if i did :P
[12:31] <robin_> KaoticEvil: piece of cake
[12:31] <KaoticEvil> im still getting used to linux.. and kubuntu...
[12:31] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: adding universe and multiverse will probably make you so happy you'll need therapy
[12:31] <nalioth> ubotu: tell KaoticEvil about repos
[12:32] <KaoticEvil> whoa..
[12:32] <KaoticEvil> ill save that to a TXT for later ;)
[12:32] <KaoticEvil> thanks :)
[12:32] <KaoticEvil> ok... time to try installing an RPM....
[12:32] <robin_> KaoticEvil: try synaptic
[12:32] <robin_> KaoticEvil: _no_ !
[12:32] <KaoticEvil> i wouldnt... if i didnt have to...
[12:33] <KaoticEvil> this doesnt come any other way... wait.. yes it does.. theres a DEB for it too :D
[12:33] <robin_> KaoticEvil: shame on you!
[12:33] <KaoticEvil> lol
[12:33] <KaoticEvil> ive no choice man :P
[12:34] <KaoticEvil> hey, i got the DEB man :P i didnt see it :P
[12:34] <KaoticEvil> :P
[12:34] <stdoubt> anyone  know how to make Konqueror show a cetain view mode and keep it?
[12:35] <stdoubt> detailed list view for example?
[12:37] <KaoticEvil> ok.. wth?
[12:37] <KaoticEvil> ive got libssl0.9.7 installed... it says it needs libssl0.9.6.. and it doesnt work?! is it that version specific? :(
[12:38] <stdoubt> what u trying to install?
[12:38] <robin_> KaoticEvil: what are u trying to install, If I may ask
[12:38] <KaoticEvil> yaho messenger
[12:38] <KaoticEvil> yahoo*
[12:38] <robin_> KaoticEvil: lol
[12:38] <stdoubt> oy
[12:38] <KaoticEvil> bah :P
[12:38] <robin_> KaoticEvil: use _kopete_
[12:38] <KaoticEvil> i do..
[12:38] <stdoubt> apt-get gaim
[12:38] <robin_> KaoticEvil: no gaim
[12:38] <robin_> that's for gnome
[12:39] <KaoticEvil> but i have certain account that i like seperate ;)
[12:39] <robin_> ugly also
[12:39] <KaoticEvil> gaim works on K too..
[12:39] <KaoticEvil> and yes, it is ugly :P
[12:39] <KaoticEvil> but then again, so is kopete :P i want trillian for linux ;)
[12:39] <robin_> KaoticEvil: yes, but you can add multiple accounts on kopete
[12:39] <KaoticEvil> you can on gaim too
[12:39] <robin_> KaoticEvil: _kopete_ is _really_ good
[12:39] <KaoticEvil> i know... i like it
[12:39] <stdoubt> can anyone tell me how to change access permissions to HDDs? 'sudo chmod' and 'sudo chown' don't work (wtf)
[12:39] <robin_> KaoticEvil: so why do you want to use yahoo messenger ??
[12:39] <robin_> KaoticEvil: as you can use yahoo in kopete.
[12:40] <robin_> don't make sense to me
[12:40] <KaoticEvil> *but* there one account that i have that i like to be sperate form all the other accounts...
[12:40] <KaoticEvil> likein doze... i use faceless_jason in messenger, and my other yahoo accounts are in trillian
[12:40] <KaoticEvil> i like it to be seperate :P
[12:40] <pieterjan> hey
[12:40] <pieterjan> I have a little problem
[12:41] <KaoticEvil> can i remove libssl0.9.7 and install libssl0.9.6 ?
[12:41] <robin_> KaoticEvil: they can help you with that :)
[12:41] <pieterjan> when trying to login in the 'control panel' of ubuntu
[12:41] <pieterjan> it refuses my root password
[12:41] <robin_> !root
[12:41] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:41] <stdoubt> it accept your default user pw?
[12:42] <pieterjan> thanks
[12:42] <pieterjan> I don't have to give my user pw
[12:42] <stdoubt> ubuntu is rootless
[12:42] <robin_> !root
[12:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:42] <robin_> !sudo
[12:42] <ubotu> [sudo]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:42] <robin_> !su
[12:42] <ubotu> Wish i knew, robin_
[12:42] <robin_> ubotu: np
[12:42] <ubotu> robin_: I give up, what is it?
[12:42] <robin_> :)
[12:42] <KaoticEvil> lol
[12:43] <pieterjan> I added a root user in some file some weeks ago, I think it has something to do with that (I cannot explain it properly in english, someone who speaks dutch in the room?)
[12:44] <robin_> ja
[12:44] <robin_> ben Nederlands
[12:44] <apokryphos> argh
[12:45] <pieterjan> ah schitterend
[12:46] <robin_> pieterjan: use /msg
[12:46] <robin_> not all ppl speak dutch here.. (yet)
[12:46] <robin_> :)
[12:46] <robin_> pieterjan: use /msg robin_
[12:47] <apokryphos> I'm pretty sure there's a dutch kubuntu channel; check that link in topic
[12:47] <pieterjan> deed ik maar weet niet of bericht toe kwam
[12:47] <robin_> pieterjan: nope
[12:47] <NutterUK> anyone know if it is possioble to use a livecd using a usb pen?
[12:47] <pieterjan> I'll have to register I think
[12:47] <robin_> it will be a livestick tha ;)
[12:47] <robin_> pieterjan: no
[12:47] <redguy> NutterUK: as long as your BIOS supports booting from USB, yes
[12:47] <robin_> pieterjan: neither am I
[12:47] <apokryphos> #kubuntu-de exists =)
[12:48] <NutterUK> redguy: my bios has about 4 sifferent usb devices i can choose but non of them work
[12:48] <PJeremy|sleep> apokryphos: de is german :p
[12:48] <apokryphos> heh; ah, looking for dutch
[12:49] <redguy> NutterUK: explain 'none of them work'
[12:49] <KaoticEvil> ok, i absolutely CANNOT find where to add repositiries.
[12:49] <pieterjan> msg is'nt working here
[12:49] <pieterjan> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[12:49] <apokryphos> pieterjan: so register; /msg nickserv register password
[12:49] <NutterUK> well put damnsmall linux on my usb pen, tried each different booting devices in my bios and it does not start with it
[12:50] <stdoubt> KaoticEvil: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:51] <pieterjan> wanneer ik in de terminal sudo 1x gebruikt heb (daar werkt 't wel) vraagt ie er zelfs niet meer om, maar ik kan ook nergens meer in systeembeheermodus geraken
[12:51] <redguy> NutterUK: reading http://linuxgazette.net/113/kapil.html might help you
[12:51] <NutterUK> redguy: thanks
[12:52] <robin_> adept sucks
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> lol
[12:52] <apokryphos> ouch
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> but its perfect for lazy people like me ;)
[12:52] <apokryphos> robin_: what don't you like about it?
[12:52] <robin_> no sry, it is good, but I like synaptic better
[12:53] <robin_> synaptic got better over-view
[12:53] <robin_> more options
[12:53] <robin_> a hell more options
[12:53] <robin_> I don't reall think there is need for a replacement
[12:53] <robin_> synaptic looks nice enough with kde theming.
[12:53] <apokryphos> robin_: Synaptic is GTK
[12:53] <redguy> KaoticEvil: well, in my adept to add a repository I would go Adept->Manage repositories
[12:53] <apokryphos> so it can't come with default Kubuntu install
[12:54] <KaoticEvil> redguy: i just found adept ;)
[12:54] <robin_> apokryphos: I know, ok well, just try to copy synaptic exactly in QT/KDE
[12:54] <mornfall> robin_: heh, why
[12:54] <mornfall> robin_: you are of course free to do that
[12:54] <apokryphos> robin_: synaptic has a lot of downfalls, of course
[12:54] <mornfall> robin_: (the last attempt to do that ended up with *cough* kynaptic *cough*)
[12:54] <robin_> mornfall: kynaptic sucks
[12:55] <mornfall> robin_: it's a kde port of synaptic, same code base etc...
[12:55] <pieterjan> I get following error: there was an error settin up inter-process communications for KDE. the message returned by the system was: authentication rejected, reason: none of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed please check that the 'dcopserver' program is running!
[12:55] <mornfall> robin_: it's just a bit on the not finished side
[12:56] <robin_> well come on, you think adept is just as good as synaptic ?
[12:56] <mornfall> robin_: and well, synaptic will be ported to libapt-front, eventually
[12:56] <robin_> it's missing a lot of functionallity
[12:56] <apokryphos> I know it's not; adept was just born :)
[12:56] <mornfall> robin_: i think it's better for the stuff it has... it's of course pretty minimal, but it's being worked on
[12:56] <robin_> I know, but didn't think it was ready for breezy
[12:56] <KaoticEvil> wow
[12:56] <mornfall> (well, better... there are things better and there are things worse... but it's not inferior in all respects)
[12:57] <KaoticEvil> ya know... i dont think ive used command line THIS much since i first got DOSShell...
[12:57] <robin_> true
[12:57] <mornfall> robin_: it's either kynaptic or adept as it is
[12:57] <mornfall> robin_: pick default :)
[12:57] <robin_> adept :)
[12:57] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: watch out, the terminal is very seductive
[12:57] <mornfall> robin_: and we did exactly that
[12:57] <robin_> and than I will isntall synaptic with it :)
[12:57] <robin_> :P
[12:57] <mornfall> robin_: *shrug* many people are ok with adept
[12:58] <mornfall> robin_: even now
[12:58] <robin_> hehe np :)
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: i know it ;)
[12:58] <robin_> I should stop complaining
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> i just added universe :O
[12:58] <robin_> maybe I should put my development skills to good use :)
[12:58] <mornfall> robin_: you can start contributing today :-)
[12:59] <mornfall> robin_: good with c++?
[12:59] <apokryphos> I'm sure help would be welcome
[12:59] <robin_> c++ yes
[12:59] <mornfall> apokryphos: coding help only from people who can actually code though :-)
[12:59] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: add multiverse too, and we'll see you in a few months
[12:59] <apokryphos> sure
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> wow.. this is gonna be great :D
[12:59] <robin_> but not much of experience in QT/KDE
[12:59] <mornfall> robin_: nm, libapt-front is stl
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> LOL nalioth.. ive only got a 20GB drive ;) :P (linkage, please :D )
[01:00] <mornfall> robin_: what about agile/xp development style? :)
[01:00] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: the link ubotu sent you will tell you about uni and multi
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> ok
[01:00] <robin_> mornfall: are u and apokryphos developers of adept ?
[01:00] <mornfall> robin_: no, only me
[01:00] <robin_> mornfall: ok, sry for saying it sucks :)
[01:00] <mornfall> robin_: np, i can handle that :)
[01:01] <stdoubt> can anyone help me explain this behavior?::: chmod 666 makes a directory drwx-r--r--;;;;that's just plain wrong -then chmod 777 gives: drwx-r-x-r-x.....seriously wtf?
[01:01] <KaoticEvil> what are backports?
[01:01] <apokryphos> you shouldn't ever chmod a directory to 666
[01:02] <stdoubt> "sudo chmod 666 /media/hdb1" = drwx-r-r-- <---where are my w's????
[01:02] <mornfall> apokryphos: only if you are satanist :)
[01:02] <robin_> be able to access the directory would be handy
[01:02] <redguy> stdoubt: maybe the fs you're on a read-only filesystem?
[01:02] <pieterjan> how can I open the file /etc/sudoers in kubuntu?
[01:02] <apokryphos> pieterjan: what do you want to change?
[01:02] <mornfall> robin_: most of adept and large chunks of libapt-front were written and tested in ~2 months (for libapt-front, in 2 people, adept only myself), that's why it's so basic :)
[01:03] <pieterjan> I don't know yet, maybe adding a user
[01:03] <chemaja_> apokryphos: never? what about /tmp?
[01:03] <mornfall> (and i have a day job, luckily it was holiday time @ uni)
[01:03] <chemaja_> apokryphos: or any other sticky dir for that matter?
[01:03] <robin_> mornfall: yes, I understand
[01:03] <stdoubt> redguy: mount shows as (rw)
[01:03] <robin_> mornfall: but that's also a big ugly thing of kubuntu it isn't tested enough
[01:03] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: backports are programs from the future
[01:03] <robin_> mornfall: points to HAL fix
[01:04] <redguy> stdoubt: ro was my only shot, sorry :-)
[01:04] <KaoticEvil> kinda like beta's?
[01:04] <robin_> it should be tested, before it will be released
[01:04] <mornfall> robin_: well, i think adept is quite stable, considering the tight schedule
[01:04] <robin_> just like you can't use the control centre with 1024x768.
[01:04] <mornfall> robin_: as for kubuntu as whole, yeah, i completely agree
[01:04] <KaoticEvil> adept crashed on me when i added a repoisity :P
[01:04] <mornfall> bah
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> so im just pico'ing the sources.list file ;)
[01:05] <mornfall> what about reporting it huh
[01:05] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: not at all. ubuntu releases every 6 months. only programs of a certain version can fit into each release before it goes "gold"
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok
[01:05] <robin_> mornfall: ok, not adept, but the rest .. it looks not good tested
[01:05] <mornfall> bugs.kde.org :)
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> is it safe to add them to apt-get?
[01:05] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: programs from the next release (while under developement) are "back ported" to the current release
[01:05] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: not yet, it isnt (they dont exist yet)
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> doh
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> ok
[01:06] <KaoticEvil> i just added multiverse...
[01:06] <stdoubt> if sudo can't let me chmod a directory so my user can write to it then it's broken :-(
[01:06] <apokryphos> pieterjan: better to talk here
[01:06] <apokryphos> pieterjan: where do you get that?
[01:07] <KaoticEvil> doh
[01:07] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: pico? evil. try nano instead
[01:07] <KaoticEvil> nano?
[01:07] <KaoticEvil> console app?
[01:07] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: yes nano
[01:08] <KaoticEvil> hmmm.. in a sec.. gotta smoke :P
[01:08] <apokryphos> pieterjan: ok, go to K Menu -> System Settings, then users and groups from there
[01:08] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: i'm the resident F/OSS zealot
[01:08] <aftertaf> KaoticEvil:  !cigarette
[01:08] <robin_> mornfall: maybe when I have some time, I could examine adept's code, and make my contribution to the community :)
[01:09] <aftertaf> robin_:  hehe/...  and ppl like me contribute by using it and mentioning bugs / suggestions ;)
[01:09] <robin_> aftertaf: that's how it works
[01:09] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:09] <robin_> also the amarok ppl are great, ask yesterday a feature, today it was implemented
[01:09] <robin_> really great.
[01:11] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: nano is picos "Free Software" clone
[01:11] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: pico is non-free software
[01:11] <apokryphos> interesting
[01:12] <nalioth> apokryphos: a chink in your omniscience?
[01:12] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok
[01:12] <KaoticEvil> why am i getting 404's? :-\
[01:12] <apokryphos> nalioth: impossible!
[01:12] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: why are you visiting nonexistant pages?
[01:13] <vicks> can one search the repos on www?
[01:13] <nalioth> vicks: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:13] <vicks> thnx
[01:14] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  :P
[01:14] <KaoticEvil> im not... apt-get is ;)
[01:14] <KaoticEvil> i forgot a space heh
[01:14] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: heh
[01:14] <apokryphos> ok, I was going to guess at backports 8)
[01:14] <KaoticEvil> lol
[01:14] <KaoticEvil> damned tpyos :P
[01:15] <KaoticEvil> im going to end up making my drive one partition again....
[01:15] <KaoticEvil> are there non-destructive partitioning tools for *nix? (something on the line of Partion Magic?)
[01:16] <apokryphos> I've had problems with PM a couple of times in the past
[01:16] <apokryphos> possible tools: gparted, qtparted
[01:16] <KaoticEvil> i never have... well, with formatting ext2/3 partitions i have.. but other than that, none
[01:17] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: we dont need non destructive partitioning tools, we have the "mount" and "fstab" to integrate our storage
[01:18] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: ive got 3 partitions currently... / (hda1), swap (hda2) and /windows/data (hda3, vfat)... i may need to borrow some of my free space on hda3 for installation ;)
[01:18] <KaoticEvil> it currently holds all my data from windows.. MP3's and the like
[01:19] <vicks> has anyone tried lphoto. looks like a cute app. perhaps it should be in the repos?
[01:20] <KaoticEvil> wow.. that was fast :O
[01:20] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you can mount the windows drive, if you wish
[01:20] <KaoticEvil> it is ;)
[01:20] <KaoticEvil> its at /windows/data
[01:21] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: then why "make one partition" ?
[01:21] <KaoticEvil> well... that way i can move all the data files (MP3's, docs, etc, etc) to ~ and have the rest of the space free for installing things :P
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> ok.. apache works... how do i check my IP address? (DHCP configured)
[01:22] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: in a terminal, ifconfig
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> ta :)
[01:23] <KaoticEvil> ugh.. gotta reconfigure port forwarding *again*
[01:26] <^rob^> hi
[01:26] <^rob^> does live cd has install option?
[01:27] <^rob^> I want to try breezy - i have hoary now! - maybe i'll change trough packages! - not shure yet!
[01:28] <apokryphos> it doesn't, no
[01:28] <apokryphos> hopefully Dapper will, however
[01:29] <KaoticEvil> breezy is cool :)
[01:29] <^rob^> apokryphos: you were talking to me?
[01:29] <apokryphos> yes
[01:29] <KaoticEvil> dapper... next release?
[01:29] <^rob^> what's Dapper - ,....a
[01:29] <^rob^> aha
[01:29] <apokryphos> Dapper Drake, yup
[01:29] <^rob^> ok :)
[01:29] <apokryphos> Ubuntu 6.04
[01:30] <^rob^> i'll upgrade tru packages then
[01:30] <KaoticEvil> man.. i used to be a devout "slack"er...
[01:30] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: we all will
[01:31] <^rob^> KaoticEvil: me too - but since i've seen Debian APt SuperCow Power - i switched
[01:31] <^rob^> ;)
[01:31] <KaoticEvil> kubuntu... ive *finally* found a distro that TOTALLY eliminates the need for windows :)
[01:31] <apokryphos> =)
[01:31] <KaoticEvil> thats the problem i was having... always found *something* that i couldnt do... 
[01:31] <^rob^> KaoticEvil: ;)
[01:31] <KaoticEvil> <3 kubuntu :)
[01:32] <^rob^> They're effort deserve some money! :)
[01:32] <robin_food> mornfall: where can I get the svn / cvs version of adept ?
[01:32] <^rob^> robin_food: ck sourceforge or freshmeat
[01:32] <apokryphos> robin_food: it's in kde trunk
[01:33] <apokryphos> robin_food: playground/sysadmin
[01:33] <robin_> k
[01:34] <KaoticEvil> can some one try to access my webserver from an external network, please?
[01:34] <KaoticEvil> its http://kaoticevil.ath.cx
[01:34] <mornfall> robin_: svn.debian.org for libapt-front, svn.kde.org, /trunk/playground/sysadmin/ept for adept
[01:35] <mornfall> robin_: do you have accounts on those?
[01:35] <bobuse> KaoticEvil: it works
[01:35] <mornfall> robin_: (first needs alioth account, second kde svn account)
[01:35] <KaoticEvil> sweet! :D
[01:35] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: close it up, bubba
[01:35] <KaoticEvil> first time ive *ever* gotten a webserver to run
[01:35] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: just trying to get it working for now :) 
[01:35] <KaoticEvil> to run on linux*
[01:35] <robin_> mornfall: anonymous ?
[01:36] <KaoticEvil> iuve already got HTML to add to it :)
[01:36] <robin_> mornfall: or is that not possible
[01:36] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: then you're in business
[01:36] <KaoticEvil> as soon as i find where TO put them :P (pico's httpd.conf)
[01:36] <apokryphos> mornfall: no need for a kde account... anonymous svn works fine, no?
[01:37] <KaoticEvil> how long does sudo retain the password?
[01:37] <apokryphos> 15 mins by default, IIRC
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> but sudo -s is indefinate? or until i close the console window?
[01:38] <apokryphos> yes
[01:38] <apokryphos> sudo -i is better though
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> whats that do?
[01:39] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: they are functionally the same command
[01:39] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[01:39] <apokryphos> KaoticEvil: see man sudo; it sets up the environment more appropriately
[01:39] <KaoticEvil> ok
[01:41] <KaoticEvil> hmmmm.. ok
[01:41] <KaoticEvil> ok, lets see if i can break Firefox and Thunderbird again :)
[01:43] <robin_> who decide if a package is ready to get in kubuntu ?
[01:44] <nikkia> nalioth: i occasionally used sudo prior to 2001ish, but the real kicker for me to use sudo, was MacOS X
[01:45] <nalioth> nikkia: yes, that's where i was influenced
[01:45] <nikkia> altho the first OS X install i did, i created a root password, out of ignorance+legacy :)
[01:46] <nalioth> nikkia: you mean "just plain tradition!" lol
[01:47] <nikkia> nalioth: yes, 'legacy'
[01:47] <nikkia> nalioth: too used to ssh -l root ...
[01:47] <KaoticEvil> and........... did i break it?
[01:47] <nikkia> (yes, i was stupid enough back then to enable root login over ssh :P
[01:47] <KaoticEvil> no! w00t!
[01:47] <nalioth> nikkia: at least it was over ssh   :
[01:48] <nikkia> nalioth: i haven't enabled telnetd for a LONG time
[01:48] <KaoticEvil> ssh... secure shell... remote console?
[01:48] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: calm down, bubba, you'll soon be doin this all in your sleep
[01:48] <KaoticEvil> im just askin man ;)
[01:48] <KaoticEvil> like i said.. im not a complete n00b... ive been working on computers for the last 16 years ;)
[01:49] <nikkia> nalioth: and i certainly haven't enabled the rlogin stuff since about 1991, when i was pointed at the huge security issues with it :)
[01:49] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you can forward your local machine either via shell or x to remote machines
[01:49] <KaoticEvil> just new to linux ;) (and not totally so there either)
[01:49] <KaoticEvil> whoa.. cool
[01:49] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you've heard of 'x forwarding" ?
[01:49] <KaoticEvil> nope
[01:49] <KaoticEvil> let me see if i can guess...
[01:50] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you got good pipes on both ends, you can run X apps on your local box (when set up properly) from anywhere in the world
[01:50] <KaoticEvil> basically, you run the x server on one machine, and a client connects from another machine, and gets the X data?
[01:50] <nikkia> nalioth: don't even need good pipes :)
[01:50] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: and remote shell is childs play
[01:50] <KaoticEvil> heh i was right ;)
[01:50] <KaoticEvil> sounds a bit like VNC...
[01:50] <nikkia> nalioth: i've ssh -X'ed to my work's 512/128 connection and managed to do work ok
[01:50] <nikkia> nalioth: altho, for some reason eclipse doesn't like being ssh -X'ed
[01:51] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: linux is only limited by you
[01:51] <apokryphos> the quotable nalioth ;-)
[01:51] <KaoticEvil> lol
[01:52] <KaoticEvil> well, at the moment, its pretty crippled ;) :P
[01:53] <nalioth> well, cyl, time for my daily language lessons
[01:53] <KaoticEvil> later Nakkel 
[01:53] <KaoticEvil> are ty for the help :)
[01:54] <KaoticEvil> noirequus:  even...
[01:54] <noirequus> KaoticEvil: i'm always in and out
[01:55] <noirequus> nikkia knows FAR more than I, tho
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> im sure yall will be seein a lot of me :P
[02:52] <apokryphos> daaim; digikam's redeye elimination is pretty darn good
[03:03] <juho> hi
[03:03] <juho> hmm, i have some kind of problem with my Dcgui :)
[03:23] <dragonkh> hi
[03:23] <dragonkh> hello
[03:23] <dragonkh> I was just reading bash.org it really had me in stitches of laughter - its so damn funny 1
[03:23] <dragonkh> !
[03:23] <ubotu> dragonkh: Wish i knew
[03:23] <dragonkh> ubotu: um ?
[03:23] <ubotu> dragonkh: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:24] <dragonkh> ubuto I wasnt talking to you ?
[03:24] <dragonkh> ubuto who are you ?
[03:24] <apokryphos> !ubotu
[03:24] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:24] <dragonkh> oops!
[03:26] <apokryphos> dragonkh: hahaha, yeah, it's pretty funny
[03:26] <apokryphos> http://bash.org/?99835
[03:30] <dragonkh> hahah
[03:33] <kjMAX> I took a box that was running WinXP and wiped it, put Kubuntu on it, and I config'd my own kernel.  Is it possible I chose an IDE driver that is not ideal for my particular hardware?  Filesystem usage seems slow, and it seems to slow down the system as a whole as well.  I am running one big / slice on ext3
[03:34] <kjMAX> I don't even remember if there were multiple choices under the IDE/ATA section, but I don't have access to a box to check right now
[03:36] <dragonkh> kjMAX: maybe check hdparm 
[03:37] <robin_> jjesse: turn on dma
[03:37] <robin_> kjMAX: turn on dma
[03:38] <kjMAX> So there is a separate option in the kernel config for DMA?  That I might have disabled
[03:39] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kjMAX about dma
[03:39] <kjMAX> I know DMA
[03:41] <kjMAX> it's just bugging me, I set it up for VDR for a friend, yesterday I was copying a bunch of files to a Samba share, which weas going quite slow, and I figured it was Samba, but what was annoying was that this file copying totally killed the system performance as a whole, loike responsiveness
[03:41] <kjMAX> it's an Athlon 1800 with 512MB ram and a recent 200GB HD, so it's not old slow hardware
[03:56] <Adkron> alright if my kubuntu is not plugged into the network I installed on then I have no network connection and no windows manager
[03:56] <Adkron> any ideas
[03:57] <PJeremy> nalioth: hi, would you happen to know where i can get the new transcode package and how to build it?
[03:58] <nalioth> PJeremy: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[04:02] <Tm_T> fucking ddos
[04:02] <Tm_T> uhm, sorry
[04:03] <_str> Tm_T: dldos?
[04:04] <Tm_T> no
[04:04] <Tm_T> ddos
[04:06] <Tm_T> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddos
[04:10] <storkur> Anyone know how to fix a sound problem in kubuntu, latest driver installed and only alert sound is working not CD and MP3
[04:11] <PJeremy> !restricted
[04:11] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[04:11] <_str> !javadebs
[04:11] <ubotu> Sun Java debs packaged for Ubuntu. Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy))
[04:16] <eric> anglais ou francais ici
[04:17] <nalioth> anglais, s'il vous plait
[04:17] <nalioth> !fr
[04:17] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[04:17] <eric> ha ok sorry my englis is poor 
[04:17] <nalioth> c'est bon
[04:17] <eric> ok thanks
[04:17] <kkathman> greetings :)
[04:18] <PJeremy> morning kkathman 
[04:18] <kkathman> Hey there PJeremy :)
[04:18] <Hhhhh> hello, is it possible to make a xubuntu install with a kubuntu CD instead of an ubuntu one?
[04:19] <nalioth> Hhhhh: surely it is
[04:21] <kkathman> Hhhhh: xubuntu?
[04:22] <kkathman> Hhhhh:  you mean, ubuntu + XFCE ?
[04:22] <nalioth> kkathman: that is what Hhhhh requested info re
[04:22] <storkur> Anyone know how to fix a sound problem in kubuntu, latest driver installed and only alert sound is working not CD and MP3
[04:22] <kkathman> nalioth: just making sure it wasnt a mistake in typing
[04:23] <kkathman> Hey aftertaf :)
[04:24] <nalioth> kkathman: aftertaf is suffering flaky relay syndrome
[04:24] <Yoshiki>  !%)
[04:26] <kkathman> nalioth: ahhh the dreaded FRS
[04:38] <Adkron> If I boot my laptop up, and it is not connected to a network I get no kde.  I get the loading screen, and then I get a blue background with a mouse pointer, that is all.  sometimes I will get an error about the .dcopserver not running, but it is.
[04:40] <Kejk_PL> Adkron: you have to up you loopback device
[04:40] <Kejk_PL> it should be done at start, but probably it is a bug in Ububtu/Kubuntu
[04:41] <Adkron> Kejk_PL: even if I bring it up it doesn't work
[04:41] <Adkron> it is up right now
[04:42] <Kejk_PL> is it have 127.0.0.1 IP?
[04:42] <Adkron> yes
[04:42] <Kejk_PL> ping localhost works?
[04:42] <Adkron> and I can ping localhost even though eth0 isn't enabled
[04:42] <Adkron> if I give eth0 an ip it still won't work
[04:42] <Adkron> I tried the static ip thing
[04:43] <Kejk_PL> maybe /etc/hosts is broken?
[04:44] <Adkron> Kejk_PL: I'll see what I find
[04:45] <Kejk_PL> Adkron: I commented out all IPv6 lines - now I have only one line: 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost       ubuntu
[04:45] <Kejk_PL> sometimes dhclient btokes "lo"
[04:45] <Kejk_PL> brokes "lo"
[04:46] <Kejk_PL> try:
[04:46] <Kejk_PL> ifdown -a
[04:46] <Kejk_PL> and then
[04:46] <ztonzy> :)
[04:46] <ztonzy> hi apokryphos 
[04:46] <Kejk_PL> ifup lo
[04:46] <Kejk_PL> then /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:47] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey man; how've you been? :)
[04:48] <Adkron> Kejk_PL: I'll try
[04:48] <ztonzy> apokryphos, trying Kubuntu again...as always Konqueor fails on me...
[04:48] <ztonzy> it sucks
[04:48] <apokryphos> ztonzy: still problems on Breezy stable? :(
[04:49] <ztonzy> apokryphos, is it ?
[04:49] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Breezy has been stable as of Oct. 13, yup
[04:49] <ztonzy> apokryphos, have used Ubuntu with no big problem...but Kubuntu and Konqueror always seem to fail
[04:50] <apokryphos> ztonzy: it might be worth trying out the kde 3.5 beta2 packages, as well, if you're still having problems with Breezy (stable version)
[04:50] <ztonzy> apokryphos, still ? installed KDE during weekend and this is first time Konqueor crashed , but yes...I am not impressed :-\
[04:51] <Adkron> Kejk_PL: still a no go.
[04:52] <apokryphos> ztonzy: sad to hear. Try out the kde 3.5 packages out
[04:52] <ztonzy> apokryphos, how to do that ? :)
[04:52] <apokryphos> ztonzy: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[04:52] <Kejk_PL> Adkron: if it ping localhost (and 127.0.0.1), it should work. I have no idea why it isn't...
[04:53] <Adkron> Kejk_PL: I can ping loaclhost.  I've been all over the forums and google.  Can't find an answer any where.  I have heard of a few other people having the same problem
[04:53] <Adkron> Kejk_PL: I had it on FreeBSD before and I just enabled DHCP and it worked
[04:54] <ztonzy> hmmm
[04:54] <ztonzy> apokryphos, first add the key and then apt-get 3.5 beta 2 ?
[04:54] <ztonzy> strange...
[04:55] <apokryphos> ztonzy: first make sure that you have kubuntu-desktop installed
[04:55] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I have
[04:55] <apokryphos> ztonzy: then get the key, change your sources.list, and finally sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:55] <nalioth> ztonzy: it's as easy as falling off a log
[04:56] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hmm need to update sourcelist before adding key ??
[04:56] <apokryphos> ztonzy: no
[04:56] <ztonzy> nalioth, no...it doesnt look that easy to me
[04:56] <apokryphos> ztonzy: which part?
[04:56] <ztonzy> "gpg: can't open `kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg': file or directory does not exist"
[04:57] <Riddell> ztonzy: download the file
[04:57] <nalioth> ztonzy: the instructions are very good on the page
[04:57] <ztonzy> :P
[04:57] <ztonzy> sorry...
[04:57] <apokryphos> ztonzy: wget http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg && sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[04:57] <nalioth> ztonzy: read the isntructions on adding his key
[04:59] <ztonzy> thanks all!
[04:59] <ztonzy> :) apt-get now
[04:59] <apokryphos> cool
[04:59] <ztonzy> hmm slow server
[05:00] <apokryphos> several mirrors there; but the default kubuntu.org one was pacey for me when I used it
[05:00] <ztonzy> yay...faster now
[05:01] <ztonzy> sorry for the moaning :)
[05:01] <Adkron> Oh well I guess I'll just have to install gentoo
[05:01] <apokryphos> Riddell: has it been decided yet whether 3.5 official will be in backports?
[05:02] <Riddell> apokryphos: I'll make packages for breezy
[05:02] <apokryphos> Riddell: yup; I just mean... will they go into Ubuntu backports repo?
[05:02] <nalioth> Riddell: if i'm gonna build ppc pkgs for hoary, which version should i do ?
[05:05] <Riddell> apokryphos: dunno, I'll need to discuss that with mez etc
[05:08] <ztonzy> apokryphos, then I need reboot or relogin ?
[05:08] <apokryphos> ztonzy: just a relogin
[05:08] <ztonzy> apokryphos, thanks
[05:09] <robin_> any nzbget users here?
[05:10] <nalioth> robin_: i use knzb, fwiw
[05:10] <robin_> nalioth: does it work with nzbget server ?
[05:11] <nalioth> i have no idea what nzbget server is
[05:11] <regeya> yeah, what's nzbget
[05:11] <robin_> nalioth: http://www.sf.net/projects/nzbget
[05:11] <Mars_^> Someone had problem with compiling ksmoothdock?
[05:12] <robin_> i'm the maintainer of a GUI Client for the server for win32/linux (http://www.sf.net/project/fastnzb)
[05:12] <nalioth> robin_: you're a real live dev? 
[05:13] <robin_> nalioth: when I got time
[05:13] <nalioth> i considered nzbget, but couldnt figure it out
[05:13] <robin_> nalioth: it is a little project.
[05:13] <nalioth> so i settled on knzb (cause the kde nzb thing is atrocious)
[05:15] <robin_> nalioth: well nzbget is nice, if you have a server for downloading stuff
[05:15] <nalioth> robin_: do you mean a news server?
[05:15] <robin_> nalioth: no
[05:16] <robin_> nalioth: I got an server running nzbget, which connects with a news server
[05:16] <nalioth> robin_: that sounds complicated
[05:16] <robin_> nalioth: with my main PC or laptop I can send nzb files to my server, and the server starts downloading for the newsgroup servers of my ISP
[05:16] <Mars_^> What is the best macOS similar docker
[05:16] <Mars_^> ?
[05:17] <nalioth> robin_: is that how nzbget works ?, or the way YOU work it?
[05:17] <XtremXpert> Anybody using DSL BONDING on ubuntu
[05:17] <robin_> nalioth: most users use it that way
[05:17] <XtremXpert> ??
[05:17] <nalioth> Mars_^: either gdesklets, adesklets or superkarambe
[05:17] <apokryphos> Mars^: kxdocker, probably
[05:17] <robin_> nalioth: it is not complicate
[05:17] <robin_> d
[05:17] <nalioth> robin_: i'll have to get with you later for more discussion
[05:17] <robin_> nalioth: you don't have to leave your desktop PC on..
[05:17] <nalioth> it's past my bedtime
[05:17] <robin_> nalioth: cya
[05:18] <apokryphos> 'night nalioth
[05:18] <nalioth_zZz> y'all be safe
[05:21] <Mars^> what is the best MacOs similar docker?
[05:21] <apokryphos> Mars^: look up -- people answered
[05:22] <Niomi> i find gdesklets to be pretty buggy, so i wouldn't recomend that one. it's not for KDE anyway, i don't think.
[05:26] <Mars^> apokryphos, problem is that it disconnected me before i could read it :/
[05:26] <apokryphos> [16:17:17]  <nalioth> Mars_^: either gdesklets, adesklets or superkarambe
[05:26] <apokryphos> [16:17:20]  <apokryphos> Mars^: kxdocker, probably
[05:32] <robin_> I like kaffeine, it always crash, you can count on it :/
[05:34] <kkathman> robin_: what engine are you using?
[05:34] <laszlok> kaffeine only ever crashes when I close it, but I wanted it to go away anyway
[05:35] <robin_> kkathman: xine
[05:36] <kkathman> robin_: ahh ok...cuz, like laszlok, it only "crashes" when it closes occasionally
[05:36] <robin_> kkathman: yes
[05:36] <robin_> kkathman: that's a bad thing
[05:36] <robin_> kkathman: well i will stich to mplayer
[05:39] <apokryphos> robin_: are you on breezy?
[05:39] <apokryphos> oh yeah, wait.. /me remembers. I think there's an open bug on that
[05:40] <apokryphos> hm, looks like that guy didn't report it
[05:40] <apokryphos> robin_: please file a bug report, if you can. bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:41] <laszlok> how do you install the mplayer gui?
[05:41] <apokryphos> laszlok: make sure you have gmplayer, then just alt+f2 -> gmplayer
[05:42] <laszlok> Couldnt find package gmplayer
[05:42] <dab> hi
[05:43] <apokryphos> laszlok: maybe you have it already then; go on to step 2
[05:43] <apokryphos> hi dab
[05:43] <laszlok> wow thats odd, i do have it installed
[05:44] <dab> everyone once in awhile my computer completely freezes on my new breezy (my old hoary, on a different hard disk, works just fine). i can move the mouse (but no click-through). i have no idea where to begin -- 
[05:44] <apokryphos> not that odd; good idea to bring it in with mplayer
[05:45] <manveru> dabugas: do you use renderaccel with a nvidia?
[05:46] <manveru> dabugas: because i have the same problem sometimes... without any reason (but most of the time while opening a kopete-window)
[05:46] <dabugas> manveru: i get it in freeciv and angband, but i can watch a full dvd without a problem
[05:47] <dabugas> manveru: i have GeForce2 MX/MX 400 with the 'nv' driver (not the 'nvidia')
[05:47] <manveru> dabugas: well, i rarely play on my computer... so don't know about it
[05:47] <manveru> dabugas: i have a geforce 4200 ti... with the nvidia-driver - so no common base here
[05:47] <dabugas> manveru: it has happened in other situations, though
[05:48] <dabugas> manveru: in my case everything freezes, no keyboard input, but i can move the mouse
[05:48] <manveru> it never happens on my laptop (wich has no nvidia-card)
[05:49] <manveru> yeah, but clicking has no effect - and you can't switch - using the [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1...] 
[05:49] <dabugas> it shouldn't be the card, because hoary seems to work fine
[05:49] <manveru> but you use a different xorg-server
[05:49] <dabugas> i don't think i tried switching to a term but alt+ctrl+del and alt+ctrl+backspace do nothing
[05:49] <dabugas> yeah i have xorg on both
[05:50] <manveru> check the versions
[05:50] <dabugas> ah, sorry, misread. ignore last comment.
[05:51] <dabugas> well, breezy has the xserver-xorg-driver-nv package which was absent in hoary.
[05:52] <dabugas> you think the problem is in the driver itself?
[06:10] <davedorm> hey all
[06:10] <davedorm> how do I see if my webcam works in Kubuntu
[06:20] <obsvuugj> salut
[06:20] <obsvuugj> hi
[06:21] <obsvuugj> how do I shutdown the computer ? in the K menu I have Log Out ! no Shut Down :(
[06:22] <_xuniL> press log out and then... shut down
[06:22] <_xuniL> "turn off computer
[06:22] <_xuniL> "
[06:23] <obsvuugj> I don't have turn off the computer! I have only "End current session"
[06:24] <_xuniL> hmm.. i atleast got it :(
[06:26] <_xuniL> well you could try this in console... i think you shouldent turn off computer like this but init 0
[06:26] <_xuniL> know it works on suse
[06:28] <obsvuugj> _xuniL> or sudo halt ;)
[06:29] <_xuniL> buy init 0 works right?
[06:30] <obsvuugj> _xuniL> I don't know
[06:30] <_xuniL> k
[06:31] <frank23> they fixed the kcontrol bug?? Joy!
[06:47] <slicslak> it would be nice to have an rsync browser built into konq.  browse the dir struct via ssh, down/uploads are done with rsync.  i don't know of any app that does this.  anyone?
[06:50] <_system> first time user
[06:51] <_system> finally online!
[06:51] <_system> Is there a noob room ?
[06:52] <Tm_T> yes
[06:52] <Tm_T> #noob
[06:52] <Riddell> _system: welcome along
[06:52] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:52] <_system> thanks!
[06:52] <_system> JOIN #noob
[06:52] <Riddell> _system: here is always good for kubuntu chat and questions
[06:52] <Riddell> _system: /join
[06:53] <_system> oops..thanks R
[06:57] <Tm_T> hmm, I wonder what that #noob really contains
[06:57] <Tm_T> just thought people understand it as joke
[06:57] <Tm_T> apparently not
[07:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: I didn't understand it as a joke, use smileys on jokes
[07:25] <Mars> Hi
[07:25] <Mars> What program do you use as a dvd player?
[07:26] <_xuniL> xine!
[07:26] <Tm_T> Riddell: I should, but then I'm supposed to use smileys all the time :p
[07:26] <Tm_T> Mars: kmplayer, mplayer, xine, gxine, kaffeine, <your favourite>
[07:28] <hussam_> Will dapper's kernel be compiled with gcc-4.0 or gcc-3.4 like breezy?
[07:29] <Riddell> hussam_: not sure, fabbione is the one to ask
[07:30] <hussam_> Riddell: ok thanks
[07:38] <_stephan> Ich htte mal ne Frage zu Firefox: Unter Debian konnte ich immer in Foren geschriebene aber nicht verlinkte http-Links makieren und mittels mittlerer Maustaste sofort aufrufen. Das geht jetzt unter kubuntu nicht mehr. Wei jemand was sich da verndert hat?
[07:41] <Update> hello
[07:41] <neoncode> hello there
[07:42] <seezer> _stephan: versuchs lieber in englisch
[07:42] <_stephan> seezer: hehe.. hab ich gerade gemerkt :-)
[07:42] <seezer> _stephan: edit > preferences > tabbed browsing > features > load urls from the clipboard on middle-click
[07:42] <Update> are this channels over taken ?
[07:43] <_stephan> seezer: thank you 
[07:43] <seezer> Update: by masses of kubuntu users?
[07:43] <Update> no buy the FUD brigade
[07:44] <kkathman> overtaken?
[07:45] <neoncode> FUD?
[07:45] <seezer> Update: why do you think?
[07:46] <kkathman> and why on earth would anyone want to "take over" a kubuntu channel  LOL :)
[07:48] <at1as> BECAUSE ALL OSes OTHER THAN KUBUNTU ARE NOT FREE AND WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH!!!!
[07:48] <at1as> 
[07:49] <neoncode> What about ubuntu?
[07:49] <neoncode> that's free!
[07:49] <at1as> NOBODY EVER GOT FIRED FOR BUYING KUBUNTU!
[07:49] <at1as> NO! NO! NO!  THEY ONLY THINK THEY'RE FREE!
[07:49] <kkathman> uhmm isnt ubuntu free?
[07:49] <neoncode> wait, if kubuntu is free, then how can you buy it?
[07:49] <seezer> at1as: could you hit shift once?
  Sorry, I was doing my best FUD imitation....
[07:49] <at1as>  ;)
[07:49] <at1as> heheh
[07:49] <kkathman> rofl
[07:50] <Tm_T> at1as: do again and I'll make sure you day sloooowly
[07:50] <Tm_T> s/day/die/
[07:50] <neoncode> lol
[07:50] <Broxtor> Hi. I read everywhere on the net that it is pretty complicated to get lirc working under hoary. Has this improved in Breezy?
[07:51] <kkathman> Broxtor: yeah very hard... you type iirc at the konsole....worked in hoary too
[07:51] <neoncode> I had no problems getting IRC to work with breezy. I just installed it and opened konversation
[07:51] <angelusco> hola a todos, HI Everybody
[07:51] <seezer> irc != lirc
[07:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: lirc ..
[07:51] <Broxtor> seezer: Thanks!
[07:51] <kkathman> hey angelusco :)
[07:52] <Tm_T> Linux InfraRed Control (?)
[07:52] <angelusco> could somebody tell me how to use mono ???
[07:52] <kkathman> ohh  my bad...looked like iirc
[07:52] <angelusco> hello kkathman
[07:52] <Broxtor> kkathman: I think I've got IRC working....
[07:52] <Broxtor> ;-0
[07:52] <Broxtor> ;-)
[07:52] <angelusco> sup rsphink
[07:52] <neoncode> annnnndd amaroK crashed agean... .
[07:53] <angelusco> sup raphink *
[07:53] <Update> amaroK is crack
[07:53] <seezer> angelusco: i bet http://www.mono-project.com will do ;)
[07:53] <Update> LOL
[07:53] <neoncode> what's wrong with it? It seemed ok to me...
[07:53] <angelusco> #kubuntu-es
[07:53] <at1as> amarok rules (when it's not crashing)
[07:54] <seezer> 1.3.5 is pretty stable
[07:54] <angelusco> seezer, well actually i was reading that site but i couln't run mono
[07:54] <Update>  amarok roles
[07:54] <angelusco> just installed it
[07:54] <Update> rolls
[07:54] <neoncode> I'd tell you what version i have... if I could get into it... :(
[07:54] <seezer> angelusco: and now you want to _run_ mono?
[07:55] <apokryphos> neoncode: dpkg -l|grep amarok
[07:55] <apokryphos> my amarok never crashes... 
[07:55] <angelusco> yap, when i do click on the icon in my desktop it only open some folder, but not the program
[07:56] <neoncode> I have 1.3.1-0ubuntu4 apparently...
[07:56] <Update> i bet amarok is sposored by RIAA 
[07:56] <neoncode> Update: why do you think that?
[07:56] <seezer> angelusco: mono is no programm. its a framework, compiler etc
[07:56] <Update> because it makes sence
[07:56] <seezer> angelusco: just get mono applications - or do you want to code for/with mono?
[07:57] <neoncode> update: why does it make sence? are you messing with me? 
[07:58] <angelusco> i mean i used to make some programs on visual basic (microsoft) but now i want to drop that garbage but i can't cu'z i can's make programs on linux (kubuntu)
[07:58] <Update> because amarok makes a list of mp3s and do tell about it some here on the net
[07:58] <Update> im telling you amarok is a snitch program
[07:59] <kkathman> Update...its not against the law to play mp3s on your computer...and amarok isnt p2p
[07:59] <seezer> angelusco: better read the manuals and docs on mono-project.com again. they tell you everything.
[07:59] <insanekane> angelusco: try gambas :)
[07:59] <angelusco> bbl
[07:59] <angelusco> i will c u on the night or maybe tomorrow
[07:59] <angelusco> need to work
[08:00] <seezer> angelusco: "mono" is just framework,compiler,libraries. monodevelop is perhaps what you're searching for
[08:00] <seezer> it's an IDE for mono
[08:00] <neoncode> err i'm new to IRC what does "[18:58]  * seezer shows neoncode /ignore" mean?...
[08:00] <Update> i got kubuntu thru p2p
[08:01] <kkathman> Update: dont know why...there are hundreds of download site :)
[08:01] <kkathman> sites 
[08:01] <seezer> neoncode: first, that there is a ignorelist you could use to get rid of guys like Update, and second that you could just use a brainbased filter and don't react on his sweet trolling
[08:01] <Update> ive got proff
[08:02] <neoncode> ohh!... he's a troll?... Ohh..
[08:03] <seezer> neoncode: he just got my personal tag. decide yourself.
[08:03] <Update> im taged now :)
[08:03] <neoncode> "personal tag"?
[08:03] <Update> what else is news ?
[08:04] <_xuniL> are there a way to turn the pc to standby?
[08:04] <Update> no toe tag
[08:04] <_xuniL> ??
[08:05] <Update> BBroxtor is a pig
[08:05] <rikva> !hibernate
[08:05] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, rikva
[08:05] <rikva> !ssuspend
[08:05] <ubotu> rikva: Are you smoking crack?
[08:05] <rikva> nevermind.
[08:05] <_xuniL> are there a way to turn linux in standby?
[08:05] <rikva> _xuniL: search on software suspend @ google
[08:05] <mth`MAW> Good evening
[08:05] <_xuniL> ooc ok..
[08:06] <_xuniL> http://www.suspend2.net/
[08:06] <Update> any one cracked kubuntu yet ?
[08:07] <_xuniL> cracked?
[08:07] <neoncode> cracked?
[08:07] <_xuniL> what is it to crack?
[08:07] <kkathman> _xuniL and neoncode just ignore him he's just trying to troll
[08:07] <_xuniL> k
[08:07] <Update> broken in 
[08:08] <neoncode> what was the synax of that ignore command agean?
[08:08] <Update> any one hacked a felow kubuntu user yet ?
[08:08] <_xuniL> rikva finding hibernate in adept its that the right dont whant to install from sourcE?
[08:09] <Update> i ear kubuntu dosent have firewall heh 
[08:09] <rikva> _xuniL: i have no idea, i never used it
[08:09] <Update> thats why its called breeezzyyyy
[08:09] <rikva> Update: what is your point?
[08:09] <kkathman> neoncode: just do /ignore  name
[08:10] <kkathman> rikva: same thing...we get trolls all the time..just  /ignore them
[08:10] <neoncode> Ahh sweet relief
[08:10] <_xuniL> testing the hibernate thing now..
[08:10] <rikva> kkathman: are there no ops here?
[08:10] <kkathman> rikva:  yes there are
[08:10] <Update> SIGN A PETITION
[08:11] <kkathman> part of the "philosophy" is that these people want you to kick them to instigate...so its just better to /ignore
[08:12] <neoncode> if someone is on your ignore list can they read your messages?
[08:12] <rikva> kkathman: i get the point... don't feed the trolls =)
[08:12] <kkathman> neoncode: yes
[08:12] <kkathman> rikva: kind of like animals :)
[08:13] <neoncode> K, sorry for my newbish'ness everyone.
[08:13] <kkathman> np neoncode 
[08:13] <robin_> what's wrong with Update ?
[08:14] <kkathman> robin_: /ignore him
[08:14] <robin_> kkathman: roger that
[08:14] <neoncode> just for future refrence, how do you un-ignore people?
[08:15] <kkathman> hehe
[08:15] <robin_> neoncode what about /unignore 
[08:16] <neoncode> [19:16]  [421]  unignore Unknown command
[08:16] <robin_> neoncode: you are not using irssi (!)
[08:16] <neoncode> Robin_:... what's that?
[08:16] <kkathman> if you use konversation its easy
[08:17] <robin_> neoncode: paradise on earth
[08:17] <neoncode> robin_: very discriptive. so what is it?
[08:17] <robin_> neoncode: an cli based irc client
[08:17] <neoncode> and yes I use konversation
[08:17] <robin_> neoncode: ncurses
[08:18] <neoncode> robin_: what?
[08:18] <robin_> neoncode: just an irc client for non-gui environments 
[08:18] <robin_> neoncode: capice?
[08:18] <robin_> :)
[08:18] <neoncode> capice?
[08:18] <robin_> neoncode: nvm
[08:18] <neoncode> I said I was new to this...
[08:19] <kkathman> to turn ignore off...its simply /ignore off name
[08:19] <kkathman> default is on
[08:20] <kkathman> or it might be /ignore name off  but I dont think it makes any difference
[08:20] <robin_> neoncode: np, you understand what irssi is now /
[08:20] <neoncode> robin_: a CLI based IRC client
[08:21] <robin_> !irssi
[08:21] <ubotu> irssi is, like, http://f0rked.com/core/irssi
[08:21] <neoncode> robin_: I like GUI's though... but that's just the windows user in me talking with it's last dieing breath
[08:21] <robin_> neoncode: hehe i'm using a GUI, but the irc client is running on my server 24/7
[08:22] <kkathman> but if you are in kubuntu, why would you want to use a konsole IRC?
[08:22] <robin_> neoncode: i'm remote logged in with ssh on my server to use irssi :)
[08:22] <robin_> kkathman: because I do turn off my desktop, but not my server.
[08:22] <kkathman> ahh ok..that makes sense
[08:22] <kkathman> but I'd think you are a bit different than most :)
[08:23] <kkathman> not a bad way...just different :)
[08:23] <robin_> :)
[08:23] <robin_> well I'm not the only one, which use it this way though
[08:24] <kkathman> since I have multiple linux and windows boxes here on my network at home
[08:24] <robin_> kkathman: well my linux box isn't do much, it is a mail server, and I use it for IRC :)
[08:25] <robin_> *doing
[08:25] <kkathman> robin_: I would like to turn mine into a development server for web sites
[08:25] <robin_> kkathman: oh true, I have a cvs server on it.
[08:25] <kkathman> I've just not researched what I need to do
[08:25] <kkathman> CVS is part of it sure
[08:26] <at1as> 
[08:28] <neoncode> I have a litte network at my home too, sorry I was AFK.
[08:30] <neoncode> Oh does linux have any kind of equivilent of the windows task manager so I can forsefully end programs?
[08:30] <manveru> neoncode: there are lots of tools for that
[08:31] <neoncode> manveru: such as? amaroK is now frozen...
[08:31] <manveru> try [ctrl] +[alt] +[esc]  and click on it
[08:32] <neoncode> Opps...
[08:32] <manveru> you could also go to the commandline and type 'killall amarok'
[08:33] <manveru> and there are of course graphical tools, like ksysguard
[08:33] <neoncode> It was minimised to the system tray thingy and I held that and clicked on the task bar and well... it worked alright...
[08:33] <manveru> ^^
[08:33] <manveru> kicker should come back
[08:33] <at1as> 
[08:33] <manveru> at1as: you are not kicker... are you?
[08:33] <neoncode> Is there a keybord shortcut for the command line?
[08:34] <manveru> yeah
[08:34] <neoncode> what?
[08:34] <kkathman> neoncode: Ksysguard
[08:34] <kkathman> if you are in Kubuntu that is
[08:34] <robin_> what is the short-key to get in the google search box in konqueror like ctrl+k in Firefox ?
[08:35] <manveru> i use yakuake for the command-line
[08:35] <robin_> manveru: yeah yakuake is good.
[08:35] <kkathman> neoncode: at the CLI you can use ps -au  or ps -aux (x gives you the system processes)
[08:35] <neoncode> What is the keyboard shortcut for the command line...I killed my kciker and and need a command line to bring it back...
[08:35] <robin_> manveru: except shift+insert doesn't work for me
[08:35] <robin_> neoncode: alt+f2 -> konsole
[08:36] <kkathman> neoncode: alt-F2
[08:36] <kkathman> or alt-F2 kicker
[08:36] <robin_> what is the short-key to get in the google search box in konqueror like ctrl+k in Firefox ?
[08:36] <manveru> robin_: yeah, have the same problem - i have to cut&paste via mouse
[08:36] <neoncode> robin_ Ctrl + H I think....
[08:36] <manveru> you can lookup all of konquerors shortcuts in the options
[08:37] <robin_> manveru: yeah me2
[08:37] <robin_> neoncode: doesn't work
[08:37] <neoncode> Ahh lovely I got my taskbar back
[08:37] <robin_> manveru: oh, will take a look
[08:37] <kkathman> hehe neoncode 
[08:38] <robin_> manveru: hmm don't see them, could you tell where they are listed exactly ?
[08:38] <manveru> wait a sec
[08:38] <neoncode> CTRL + K!!!
[08:38] <neoncode> that;s it
[08:38] <robin_> neoncode: no that's firefox
[08:38] <robin_> neoncode: at least, not working here
[08:38] <manveru> not working for me as well
[08:38] <neoncode> I thought you ment firefox?
[08:38] <manveru> robin_: it's in options>shortcuts
[08:39] <robin_> neoncode: lol, no konqueror
[08:39] <robin_> manveru: yes I see, stupid me..
[08:39] <neoncode> Ah...
[08:39] <robin_> manveru: now I need to find the google / search entry
[08:41] <robin_> hmm it says ctrl+s
[08:41] <manveru> the 'focus searchbar' seems like the closest to me
[08:41] <manveru> but it doesn't do that
[08:42] <robin_> manveru: I changed it to CTRL+K, and now it work
[08:42] <robin_> manveru: bug ?
[08:43] <manveru> maybe...
[08:43] <manveru> i don't use it so i never noticed it
[08:43] <robin_> well it works now, i'm happy :)
[08:43] <neoncode> what's the name of the system tray program thing... ive lost that now...
[08:43] <kkathman> prolly not a bug..but possibly an enhancement request :)
[08:43] <robin_> neoncode: you are losing it 
[08:43] <robin_> neoncode: is everything crashing ??
[08:43] <neoncode> no
[08:43] <manveru> neoncode: just right-click on kicker... and search a bit in the [add program] 
[08:44] <kkathman> lol
[08:44] <manveru> not sure how it is called in english...
[08:44] <kkathman> neoncode: right click the kicker...add to panel, applet...system tray
[08:45] <neoncode> it's grayed out and also selected already
[08:45] <manveru> then remove it
[08:45] <kkathman> thats what manveru was saying
[08:45] <manveru> and add it again
[08:45] <neoncode> it's grayed out, clicking does nothing
[08:45] <manveru> didn't know it was called applet
[08:47] <manveru> kkathman: how can i add a shortcut to '3ddesk' in kde?
[08:47] <neoncode> Oooo!! remove from tray... wait I removed it then added it agean and it still is not there.....
[08:48] <manveru> well
[08:48] <manveru> maybe it's not visible to you
[08:48] <manveru> and it is at some odd position
[08:48] <manveru> in this case - delete your kicker-configuration
[08:49] <max> hi
[08:49] <Update> LO
[08:50] <Update> L
[08:50] <neoncode> Oh! Wait I found it I trrned handles back to visible in the congiuration and it was beetween virtual desktops and programs list. but it has nothing on it...
[08:50] <manveru> ^^
[08:51] <neoncode> >_>;;
[08:51] <flixor> nexu, hy how are you doing is your box oke
[08:55] <neoncode> whoa. Did I just get kicked or something. I just suddenly seemed to log back on...
[08:55] <kkathman> neoncode:  yes
[08:56] <kkathman> [13:54]  <-- neoncode has left this server. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[08:56] <neoncode> Ohh... but I was not kicked by an op? just a connection error... I hope...
[08:56] <kkathman> no
[08:56] <kkathman> not kicked :)
[08:56] <neoncode> That's good
[08:57] <kkathman> hehe
[08:57] <kkathman> its very very rare that someone gets kicked
[08:57] <neoncode> that's kinna good
[08:57] <Robdor> are the backports for breezy available yet?
[08:57] <crimsun> no.
[08:57] <kkathman> Robdor: no
[08:57] <neoncode> backports?
[08:58] <kkathman> neoncode: backports are kind of "alternative" sources for certain applications
[08:59] <neoncode> kkathman: Ah ok.. sorry everyone for asking about everything...
[08:59] <manveru> somebody who is using konversation here?
[08:59] <crimsun> backports are newer versions of software from the development branch backported to the most recent stable release
[08:59] <kkathman> no problem...its how you learn
[08:59] <neoncode> KKathman: ok..
[08:59] <kkathman> thats the technical explanation :)
[08:59] <neoncode> Manveru: I am!
[08:59] <kkathman> manveru: me too
[09:00] <manveru> i just accidentally deactivated the bar with [options]  [help]  and stuff
[09:00] <manveru> how do i get it back?
[09:00] <kkathman> ctrl-m
[09:00] <manveru> ty :)
[09:00] <kkathman> if I understand your question
[09:00] <manveru> yeah, just didn't know how to call it
[09:00] <neoncode> you know that phrase in brackets that comes up when you leave. can you edit that?
[09:00] <manveru> menubar might be a good word
[09:00] <kkathman> well anyway
[09:01] <manveru> Qt: 3.3.4
[09:01] <manveru> KDE: 3.4.3
[09:01] <manveru> kde-config: 1.0
[09:01] <manveru> ah, sorry
[09:01] <manveru> going to #test :)
[09:01] <manveru> just found out about the shortcuts ^^
[09:01] <neoncode> what's #test?
[09:01] <kkathman> ?
[09:02] <neoncode> appart from a chanel
[09:02] <neoncode> I know that much
[09:02] <manveru> a channel
[09:02] <kkathman> some channel I suppose
[09:02] <neoncode> but what;s it for?
[09:02] <manveru> ...
[09:02] <manveru> for testing :)
[09:02] <kkathman> no clue never been there
[09:02] <neoncode> I guessed that much, for testing what?
[09:02] <manveru> it's for people like me who want to test 'stuff'
[09:03] <neoncode> like "/me" and stuff
[09:03] <manveru> exactly
[09:03] <neoncode> Ooo
[09:03] <manveru> the /google is cool
[09:03] <laserline> Hello all, How can I add the "My Computer" on the kubuntu desktop ?
[09:03] <neoncode> does kubunut have a "my computer"?
[09:04] <manveru> laserline: what is _your computer_ ?
[09:04] <neoncode> *kubuntu
[09:04] <manveru> would feel odd if i had my computer on my desktop
[09:04] <jjesse> my computer is for windows
[09:04] <laserline> manveru the "My Computer" Icon 
[09:04] <laserline> manveru Like I did in Gnome..
[09:04] <neoncode> I think he means like on windows with a list of all mounted drives and such
[09:04] <jjesse> if you just open up konq it looks almost the same as my computer?
[09:04] <laserline> neoncode yeah... that's it.
[09:04] <kkathman> laserline: closest thing is the System Settings...its on your K-menu, just find it and drag it to the desktop
[09:04] <manveru> it's been a while since i used windows or gnome
[09:05] <neoncode> I now have a hatrid for windows
[09:05] <laserline> But I don't see an Icon for my mounted windows partitons - they are on the fstab and I can see them in gnome...
[09:05] <firephoto> it would be the "Home" icon that is a kde default (not distro default)
[09:06] <neoncode> The irony is I heard that microsoft's new wireless network service that they are getting installed actualy useses liunx for it's servers... that's what I think I read somewhere...
[09:06] <laserline> Is there a way to add other mounted drives to the Storage ?
[09:06] <robin_> neoncode: well hotmail have run on Linux for years, nothing new, MS nows the power of Linux :)
[09:07] <robin_> *know
[09:07] <robin_> s
[09:07] <kkathman> laserline: go to the System Settings - Desktop - Behavior - tab for Device Icons
[09:07] <manveru> robin_: so they are not the _one OS to rule them all_ anymore?
[09:07] <kkathman> if they are samba shares you can enable the icons there
[09:07] <laserline> kkathman I was there, and checked the "show icons for mounted devices.." still nothing happens (I refreshed the desktop too)
[09:07] <neoncode> robin_: evan with their anti-linux "get the(microsoft funded research) facts" campain
[09:08] <neoncode> manveru: I don't think windows was ever "the one OS to rule them all"
[09:08] <kkathman> laserline: right click the desktop - create new - link to Device...and see if your shares are listed under NFS
[09:08] <robin_> hehe not really no.
[09:08] <laserline> kkathman they are listed there
[09:09] <manveru> neoncode: at least they where, if you believe them
[09:09] <neoncode> they just copyed apple for the GUI
[09:09] <kkathman> laserline: then just create a link there then
[09:09] <laserline> kkathman When I choose link to Harddisk device I get them.
[09:09] <kkathman> right
[09:09] <neoncode> and besides, Gmail > Hotmail by far
[09:10] <kkathman> laserline: but not under NFS?
[09:10] <robin_> well but google works with the NSA right :)
[09:10] <robin_> or for.
[09:10] <neoncode> They do?
[09:10] <laserline> kkathman I see them under NFS too
[09:10] <robin_> conspiracy theory
[09:10] <kkathman> laserline: choose that and create your icon
[09:10] <neoncode> and this means?
[09:10] <firephoto> i think it was a current/ex cia dood that was hired early on... ;)
[09:11] <laserline> kkathman 1. Why NFS? 2. How can I add this icon to the Storage in Konquereo
[09:11] <robin_> neoncode: some pple think it is.
[09:11] <neoncode> Well I like google... better than micro$uck
[09:12] <kkathman> laserline: if you create the icon, and the share is good, Konqueror will automatically open
[09:12] <neoncode> google should make an OS! GoogleOS!
[09:12] <robin_> firephoto: not CIA, but NSA
[09:12] <kkathman> neoncode: thats coming soon I think
[09:12] <neoncode> lol
[09:13] <neoncode> they've made everything else
[09:13] <robin_> you can earn dollars from google when you have a link on your website to firefox downloads with googlebar.
[09:13] <laserline> kkathman That works, but what I want is diffrent. I would like it to be like in windows, where I see all my mounted drives, instead of haveing drive icons. I saw it in a diffrent distro, but don't know how to do it here...
[09:13] <robin_> it is in the new adsense program.
[09:13] <kkathman> laserline: you can see that in konq
[09:13] <robin_> good pr for firefox I think.
[09:14] <robin_> down with IE.
[09:14] <robin_> before IE7 is launched :)
[09:14] <neoncode> i never saw the need of the google search bar in firefox
[09:14] <neoncode> we already have one
[09:14] <neoncode> built in
[09:14] <neoncode> and IE is the spawn of satan
[09:14] <laserline> kkathman Yeah, but when I link it, Konq doesn't show the icon....
[09:14] <robin_> neoncode: me neither, but like the idea
[09:14] <robin_> google is tracking to much information
[09:15] <spiral> hi
[09:15] <neoncode> have you seen the screen shots of IE7? the interface is vrtualy a clone of firefox
[09:15] <robin_> everything is linked all your e-mails, search history
[09:15] <robin_> whatever
[09:15] <robin_> neoncode: don't agree, because they have tabs ??
[09:15] <neoncode> and that search bar thing
[09:15] <robin_> I think Longhorn looks nice, but I don't want such a resource eating OS.
[09:15] <neoncode> robin_: it's vista now
[09:16] <robin_> vista longhorn, whocares.
[09:16] <robin_> crap
[09:16] <neoncode> I was looking into it before I moved to firefox
[09:16] <laserline> kkathman you understand what I mean ?
[09:16] <neoncode> is that TCPA junk actualy true?
[09:16] <laserline> kkathman I only have in storage "floppy Drive" and "OneTouch160GB (external usb2 drive) but my windows partitiones aren't there....
[09:17] <robin_> neoncode: TCPA ?
[09:17] <kkathman> laserline: start Konqueror, then choose the left panel under ROOT...then choose /media...all of your shares will be there
[09:17] <neoncode> Trusted Computeing
[09:17] <robin_> enlighten me
[09:17] <neoncode> hold on
[09:17] <robin_> what does it do :)
[09:18] <nexu> flixor: zup ?
[09:18] <laserline> kkathman left panel ?
[09:18] <flixor> join kubuntu-nl please 
[09:18] <neoncode> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing
[09:18] <neoncode> read that
[09:19] <robin_> neoncode: Yes Sir !
[09:19] <kkathman> laserline: dont your have a little panel on your Konq that has icons on it..like a house, a start a folder, a clock and a flag
[09:19] <nexu> flixor: no one there
[09:19] <kkathman> far left
[09:19] <neoncode> robin_: XD
[09:19] <flixor> no one there kubuntu-nl
[09:19] <flixor> impossible
[09:19] <flixor> i am there with 6 others nexu
[09:19] <kkathman> if not, go to the address line and type /media
[09:19] <laserline> kkathman you mean when I start konq I see the konq homepage (storage, trash, etc...)
[09:20] <neoncode> rofl : "[20:18]  <-- Danny| has left this server. ("MMORPG. Mostly Men Online Roleplaying Girls.")"
[09:21] <DewKnight> Hello... I have a problem and I want to know if anybody might be able to help me out. I have described the problem here: http://surmunity.com/showthread.php?p=139507
[09:21] <robin_> neoncode: I don't like the idea about Trusted_Computing
[09:22] <kkathman> laserline: just type /media 
[09:22] <neoncode> robin_: that's the main reson I ditched microsoft for linux
[09:22] <kkathman> laserline: in the address box
[09:22] <neoncode> It was an impluse desision.. XP
[09:22] <robin_> neoncode: ok, but now you can't play games anymore :)
[09:23] <neoncode> robin_: WINE, clegra?
[09:23] <robin_> neoncode: cedaga you mean
[09:23] <robin_> neoncode: clegra sounds like a disease
[09:23] <neoncode> robin_: yes
[09:23] <neoncode> rofl
[09:23] <neoncode> but WINE sounds ok
[09:23] <neoncode> I heard they got a beta version now
[09:23] <robin_> yeah some work, some don't
[09:23] <neoncode> after 13 years of development
[09:23] <DewKnight> anybody have any ideas...?
[09:24] <Drakeson> neoncode: I am using an internet service provider in canada which has recently got a proxy/firewall/filter/crap ... from microsoft.
[09:24] <laserline> kkathman I did that before logging here... I only see my floppy and my usb external drive. but not my other partitions. note that they are mounted properly.
[09:24] <robin_> I like ID games, they make native games voor LInux.
[09:24] <neoncode> do you know if morrowint works?
[09:24] <Drakeson> seems MS did a lot of thing to them. Internet Explorer under wine grabs pages much much faster Konq/Firefox. 
[09:24] <neoncode> *morrowind
[09:24] <robin_> neoncode: morrowind
[09:24] <robin_> neoncode: don't think so.
[09:24] <neoncode> robbin: damn
[09:24] <Drakeson> They had previously got linux support but now just tell the I have linux and the agent at the help desk is about to kill you
[09:24] <robin_> neoncode: what's wrong with your typo's :)
[09:24] <neoncode> robin: what do you mean?
[09:25] <robin_> neoncode: nvm, you make a lot of typo's np
[09:25] <kkathman> laserline: odd... very odd then, cuz mine show up fine
[09:25] <neoncode> robin: tiard(I carn't spell ether....)
[09:25] <DewKnight> I would really appreciate any help that anybody could give for my issue here: http://surmunity.com/showthread.php?p=139507
[09:25] <robin_> neoncode: lol
[09:26] <nexu> ?
[09:26] <robin_> where are u from ?
[09:26] <robin_> neoncode: 
[09:26] <kkathman> laserline: did you happen to make one of those icons for a samba share?
[09:26] <neoncode> robbin: England.
[09:26] <robin_> it is robin
[09:26] <flixor> what nexu ?? cant you join the channel
[09:26] <neoncode> I know...
[09:26] <robin_> neoncode: ok, well I suck in English, so don't mind my typo's either ;)
[09:27] <neoncode> robbin: you?
[09:27] <robin_> neoncode: the netherlands.
[09:27] <robin_> The Netherlands, Holland, whatever.
[09:27] <neoncode> robin: oh, ho.
[09:28] <robin_> ho ?
[09:28] <neoncode> nvm
[09:28] <robin_> k
[09:28] <robin_> you bet
[09:28] <neoncode> lol
[09:28] <robin_> too bad wine isn't working on amd64 linux
[09:28] <kkathman> oops guess he got frustrated
[09:28] <DewKnight> ok.. thanks much....
[09:28] <robin_> Maybe I should install i386 version.
[09:29] <neoncode> robin: why does it not work in amd64 linux anyway?
[09:29] <robin_> neoncode: there is no wine for amd64.
[09:29] <neoncode> robin_: I know but why?
[09:29] <robin_> neoncode: probably they can't get it to work, or maybe it isn't technically possible.
[09:30] <robin_> neoncode: I don't know what the real reason is.
[09:30] <manveru> i've got a card-reader here, but when i plug a card in, there is no popup
[09:30] <hedge> Can someone please help me with a clus for this error? [4294682.779000]  device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[09:30] <hedge> [4294682.779000]  device-mapper: error adding target to table
[09:30] <neoncode> what's the diffrence beetween i368 programs and amd64 ones anyway?
[09:30] <hedge> clue that is
[09:30] <DewKnight> alright a question.. can anybody even see what I am writing?
[09:30] <neoncode> I can!
[09:30] <robin_> neoncode: 32 and 64-bit
[09:30] <manveru> DewKnight: i, for one, can :)
[09:30] <robin_> DewKnight: yes, but we ignore you :)
[09:30] <DewKnight> ok then, so I'm just being ignored, just making sure.
[09:31] <robin_> DewKnight: no, not true, kidding.
[09:31] <manveru> somebody can help me with cardreader?
[09:31] <robin_> manveru: I don't know anything about cardreaders.
[09:31] <neoncode> robin: I knew that but do they have to make the source code radicly diffrent?
[09:31] <DewKnight> just uh.. kind of frustrated... this problem could mean my job
[09:31] <robin_> neoncode: I haven't a clue
[09:31] <neoncode> lol
[09:32] <robin_> DewKnight: what's up ?
[09:32] <robin_> DewKnight: I didn't see your problem
[09:32] <manveru> neoncode: they are differently compiled...
[09:32] <DewKnight> this: http://surmunity.com/showthread.php?t=16140
[09:33] <DewKnight> can't get a customer's backup files off of the drive in kubuntu, won't mount any other hard drives for some reason
[09:33] <neoncode> manveru: so what stops you from takeing the WINE source and compile them with a 64 bit compiler?
[09:33] <torotux> hey :D
[09:33] <hedge> Can someone please help me with a clue for this error? [4294682.779000]  device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[09:33] <torotux> somebody speak spanish
[09:33] <torotux> ahola!
[09:33] <torotux> hola!!
[09:33] <gerardocb> hola torotux
[09:33] <robin_> speak english or leave
[09:33] <manveru> neoncode: why would i want to do that?
[09:33] <torotux> wena
[09:33] <gerardocb> que pena que voy de salida
[09:33] <torotux> :D!
[09:34] <torotux> puxis
[09:34] <torotux> olle
[09:34] <robin_> ole ole
[09:34] <robin_> bye
[09:34] <torotux> como installo la beta2 del kde 3.5
[09:34] <neoncode> manveru: not spisifitcly you just genraly?
[09:34] <torotux> ya agrege los repositorios
[09:34] <neoncode> ahhh the power of /ignore
[09:34] <torotux> so 
[09:34] <torotux> hey :d
[09:34] <torotux> i am from chile
[09:34] <manveru> neoncode: well, the generality needs a 64bit-machine and a 64bit-compiler
[09:34] <torotux> latin amrerica
[09:34] <torotux> :D
[09:35] <torotux> somebody can help me 
[09:35] <manveru> neoncode: i haven't got the first, the second is every common gcc
[09:35] <torotux> i need to install wine with a graphic interface to kde
[09:35] <robin_> If you speak english, maybe someone will
[09:35] <torotux> :D thX
[09:35] <robin_> DewKnight: I read the msg
[09:35] <torotux> LOL
[09:35] <torotux> can help me plz
[09:35] <DewKnight> any ideas what might be happening?
[09:36] <neoncode> manveru: I ment that they siad that there was not a 64 bit version of WINE. what stops the WINE developers from compileing WINE with gcc under 64 bit?
[09:36] <robin_> DewKnight: well, what have you actualy done to mount it ?
[09:36] <robin_> DewKnight: I mean which cmds ?
[09:36] <kkathman> torotux: wine really doesnt have a "graphic" interface to kde
[09:36] <torotux> thnx
[09:36] <manveru> neoncode: dunno - they have really nasty code - so there might arise some problems (since they are not emulating)
[09:36] <kkathman> ubotu tell torotux about wine
[09:36] <robin_> torotux: well there is
[09:36] <DewKnight> well, I don't actually know much about linux, I have tried just clicking on the drive and it gets that error, do not know the commands to mount the drive via the.. shell is it..?
[09:36] <torotux> thX
[09:36] <torotux> :D
[09:36] <robin_> torotux: some gtk thing
[09:37] <robin_> torotux: old, don't know name, look in apt
[09:37] <DewKnight> sorry, I only use linux to recover files from hard drives that windows can't see.. I know almost nothing
[09:37] <kkathman> torotux: read that post that ubotu just sent
[09:37] <torotux> THx :D
[09:37] <robin_> DewKnight: okay, that's explain it
[09:37] <manveru> DewKnight: this one is easy
[09:37] <torotux> :D
[09:37] <torotux> some page in spanish
[09:37] <torotux> plz
[09:37] <robin_> DewKnight: well you are on the PC right now ?
[09:37] <manveru> DewKnight: do you know what filesystem the target-drive has?
[09:37] <robin_> DewKnight: you have to mount it through console.
[09:37] <DewKnight> the target drive is Fat32
[09:37] <robin_> DewKnight: ??
[09:38] <robin_> DewKnight: windows ?
[09:38] <neoncode> manveru: Ahh
[09:38] <robin_> Will_: why do you want to mount it in Linux ?
[09:38] <manveru> DewKnight: alright - the command is 'mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mount/hda1' (this has to be fitted to your needs
[09:38] <robin_> DewKnight: why do you want to mount it in linux
[09:38] <robin_> DewKnight: anyway, do what manveru says
[09:38] <kkathman> torotux: try this channel  #kubuntu-es
[09:38] <neoncode> Well it's getting confuseing only hearing half of the conversasion as i /ignored torotux so i'm gona go. thanks for your help everyone
[09:39] <DewKnight> the drive that has the backup files on it is the drive that has kubuntu loaded on it, I am trying to get these files from linux, to the laptop, which ruins windows. the laptop drive has a fat32 filesystem
[09:39] <robin_> neoncode: cay
[09:39] <robin_> neoncode: cya
[09:39] <manveru> neoncode: torotux doesn't say much :)
[09:39] <manveru> however...
[09:39] <torotux> then u :D
[09:39] <torotux> i am noob in this program :D
[09:39] <robin_> just /ignore him, rude but true
[09:39] <kkathman> torotux: they speak spanish in #kubuntu-es
[09:40] <torotux> thx
[09:40] <torotux> :D
[09:40] <DewKnight> and by fitted to my needs.. what exactly does that mean?
[09:40] <torotux> i am read now the howto :D to install wine :D
[09:40] <kkathman> ok
[09:40] <manveru> DewKnight: how many harddisks does your laptop have? :) (one i guess - so the command is right anyway)
[09:40] <torotux> so i need some help to install kde3.5 beta 2 in my kubuntu 
[09:41] <DewKnight> it is just the main hard drive with kubuntu installed on it, then this second drive
[09:41] <torotux> i have the repositories
[09:41] <robin_> DewKnight: so that will be hda2
[09:41] <robin_> DewKnight: type fdisk -l
[09:41] <robin_> DewKnight: and you will see all partitions
[09:42] <robin_> DewKnight: than you can also see the filesystems types
[09:44] <DewKnight> fdisk -l doesn't show anything, just goes to a new line. Also it gives me the error that only root can do that when trying to mount the hard drive
[09:44] <robin_> DewKnight: so be root
[09:44] <torotux> somebody use kmess?
[09:44] <robin_> DewKnight: sudo fdisk -l;
[09:44] <robin_> DewKnight: sudo fdisk -l
[09:45] <robin_> DewKnight: and use the pass of the first user.
[09:45] <manveru> DewKnight: the same goes for mounting
[09:46] <DewKnight> I thought I was.. when I set it up I just did the defaults.. when trying to use the username root, it gives me a login failed.. i tried the password that I set on the computer, as well as just blank, and just root... doesn't log in... Is there a default password for root in kubuntu..?
[09:46] <manveru> DewKnight: you have to use your username-password for sudo
[09:46] <manveru> DewKnight: there is no password for root
[09:47] <robin_> DewKnight: just login with your normal account
[09:47] <robin_> DewKnight: and use sudo
[09:47] <robin_> DewKnight: sudo fdisk -l //enter your normal pass
[09:50] <DewKnight> ok, the drive is showing up as /dev/hdc1 and filesystem is: W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[09:51] <DewKnight> when trying the mount, I tried just replacing the hda1 that was in there to hdc1 but it gavce me: mount: mount point /mount/hdc1 does not exist
[09:51] <robin_> DewKnight: does /mount/hdc1 exist ?
[09:51] <robin_> DewKnight: you must first create a mountpoint
[09:51] <robin_> DewKnight: mkdir /mnt/hdc1
[09:52] <robin_> DewKnight: and than mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1
[09:52] <robin_> DewKnight: and than mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1 -t vfat
[09:52] <robin_> DewKnight: the second one ;)
[09:53] <manveru> http://qurl.net/mT
[09:53] <_pumpkin> hi all. anyone know about belkin wireless PCMCIA cards.?
[09:53] <robin_> _pumpkin: I think you can get on the internet with those
[09:54] <_pumpkin> robin_:  do ou know where to get the drivers? 
[09:54] <manveru> _pumpkin: i guess you are better off in #ubuntu-laptop
[09:54] <robin_> _pumpkin: not really, what chip is it using ?
[09:54] <_pumpkin> cool
[09:54] <_pumpkin> not sure
[09:55] <robin_> _pumpkin: if it is broadcom, you probably must use ndiswrapper
[09:55] <robin_> _pumpkin: lspci -v ?
[09:55] <_pumpkin> is it writen on the back of the card?
[09:55] <DewKnight> damnit I can't tell you guys how much I am thankful. I am copying it over now, and I have all of this printed out for future reference
[09:56] <manveru> http://qurl.net/mU
[09:56] <manveru> _pumpkin: try that link
[09:56] <_pumpkin> #ubuntu-laptop
[09:56] <_pumpkin> oops
[09:56] <robin_> DewKnight: np
[09:57] <DewKnight> alright umm.. one more question... How would I copy everything from my /homne/admin/folder-here directory to this new drive? When doing it via just the graphical interface, it gives me errors that I don't have permission.. is there a simple command to copy an entire folder plus subdirectories and files to the new drive...?
[09:57] <_pumpkin> manveru: thanks.. mn this is odd. Im using a azerty keyboard.. lol
[09:58] <robin_> DewKnight: one thing, the files are Linux stuff right
[09:58] <robin_> DewKnight: should it not be backuped with the correct permissions ?
[09:58] <robin_> DewKnight: than you should create a tarball of it, and store that on the fat32 
[09:59] <robin_> DewKnight: but if you don't think that is needed, you can use cp -a /source /target
[09:59] <DewKnight> The files that I backed up originally are all windows files (My documents, mostly music to be specific). How would one create a tarbell of all of that, and then copy it over to the drive? As I don't have permissions to create stuff on the drive at the moment.....
[09:59] <robin_> or cp -av if you want to see what it is copying.
[10:00] <robin_> DewKnight: if it are windows files, you dont' need to create a tarball
[10:00] <DewKnight> ok thanks
[10:00] <robin_> DewKnight: but you can't copy to the fat32 ?
[10:00] <robin_> DewKnight: you probably need to give a rw flag while mounting..
[10:00] <robin_> DewKnight: have to do a search for that, one sec.
[10:01] <robin_> DewKnight: probably something like mount -t vfat -o=rw /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1 , but don't know for sure..
[10:02] <robin_> DewKnight: mount -o rw -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1
[10:03] <robin_> DewKnight: but first umount it, because you already have mount it.
[10:03] <DewKnight> thanks, just a sec
[10:03] <robin_> DewKnight: don't know if it work, I don't have fat32 can't try it out
[10:05] <robin_> DewKnight: otherwise, you run sudo cp -a /target /source 
[10:05] <DewKnight> how does one unmount?
[10:05] <kkathman> umount
[10:05] <DewKnight> unmount: command not found
[10:05] <DewKnight> oh
[10:06] <robin_> DewKnight: -n
[10:10] <Knowerrors> Hi all, I get this in /var/log/message http://rafb.net/paste/results/o02LG168.html when I plug in my digital camera to the usb, can't access camera, someone know how to fix this?
[10:10] <Phazeman> Knowerrors: first of all - why would you do that to your camera ?
[10:11] <Phazeman> never plug your whole camera into the computer with usb
[10:11] <robin_> DewKnight: I gtg, but I think others here can help you further
[10:11] <DewKnight> It looks like it is copying, should have done -av
[10:11] <DewKnight> but it seems to be copying over fine.
[10:11] <Phazeman> you know that USB is going with voltage, and if something will go wrong, your camera is going babay
[10:11] <DewKnight> Thank you so much for helping out with my stupidness
[10:11] <Knowerrors> Phazeman: thats the only way to plug it in to the computer
[10:11] <Phazeman> Knowerrors: try working with card reader
[10:12] <Knowerrors> don't have one...
[10:12] <kkathman> not stupid DewKnight  just learning :)
[10:12] <Phazeman> Knowerrors: you better get yourself one if you want to keep your camera working
[10:12] <Phazeman> Knowerrors: i, personaly, burnt 1 canon camera out with a bad USB connection
[10:13] <Phazeman> ok.. i need help myself :) anybody here uses a DI 614+ router with ADSL ?
[10:16] <flixor> guys, what sources  should i  add to get hugin and its dependencies
[10:17] <etam> hi there
[10:17] <etam> how to install all header files for gcc?
[10:17] <flixor> build-essential ?? etam 
[10:18] <etam> flixor: what do you mean?
[10:19] <etam> flixor: you know, your question is strange
[10:19] <flixor> maybe you should install the build-essential for the header files 
[10:20] <flixor> why is it strange etam i am trying to install a program called hugin, and maybe there are more sources wich i could use to install it because in the standard sources its not
[10:20] <etam> flixor: how can i do it?
[10:21] <flixor> sudo apt-get install build-essential on the commandline
[10:21] <etam> thanks
[10:22] <kkathman> flixor: on you hugin...have you done an apt-get build-dep ?
[10:23] <kkathman> except I dont see hugin in the repos
[10:24] <flixor> no its not in ubuntu 
[10:24] <DewKnight> Thanks again everyone!
[10:28] <kkathman> flixor: ok...did you download it from a source then?
[10:28] <kkathman> flixor: like a deb or something?
[10:28] <kkathman> ubotu is back!
[10:29] <ubotu> kkathman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:29] <Tm_T> kkathman: are you?
[10:29] <flixor> kkathman, well i downloaded the source 
[10:29] <flixor> but i get compile errors wich i can resolve
[10:29] <kkathman> flixor: what kind of errors?
[10:30] <flixor> ehm let me compile it again one sec
[10:30] <kkathman> flixor: usually you should get dependency errors in the ./configure  but not always
[10:30] <flixor> no in the configure i resolved all the error messages 
[10:30] <flixor> but when i do the make thats when i get an error
[10:30] <kkathman> flixor: ok... well thats possible
[10:31] <kkathman> flixor: but I am told its usually because its a bad package
[10:31] <flixor> lol, well this pacakges is probabely the best pacakge to make panorama photo's
[10:32] <etam> flixor: thanks it works :)
[10:32] <flixor> on linux that is 
[10:32] <flixor> cool etam :) if you are happy whe are allso happy 
[10:32] <etam> flixor: maybe you tell me how can i get with apt the manpages of C functions?
[10:32] <etam> and if you are happy then i am happy :)
[10:34] <etam> flixor: can you tell me what apt package has the manpages of C functions?
[10:34] <LjL> manpages-dev
[10:35] <kkathman> LjL: I wonder if you could help me with a permissions issue?
[10:35] <flixor> etam i dont now if it exists but do a man man on the console
[10:35] <kkathman> if you have time
[10:35] <LjL> kkathman: don't think honestly, i'm never liked unix permissions too much! but you can try :)
[10:36] <kkathman> haha
[10:36] <etam> thanks
[10:36] <flixor> lol 
[10:36] <kkathman> me iether
[10:36] <kkathman> well I can wait a bit then :)
[10:36] <flixor> sorry etam, it appears i gave you false information 
[10:36] <seezer> kkathman: whats your problem?
[10:36] <etam> ok, the manpages-dev works :)
[10:37] <etam> be happy now ;)
[10:37] <torotux> hey
[10:39] <N1omi> how can i stop KDE from switching desktops on ctrl+tab?
[10:40] <flixor> well the easiest way is not to use it N1omi 
[10:40] <seezer> N1omi: kontrol center - regional & accessibility - shortcuts
[10:41] <kkathman> seezer:  thanks... I have 3 boxes here... Box A = linux file server   Box B = Linux dev box  BoxC = Windows
[10:42] <kkathman> seezer: I want to move files from Box C to Box A while Im on Box B.... I have created directories on Box A...and chmod 777 on everything
[10:42] <N1omi> seezer, thanks! :D
[10:42] <kkathman> seezer: but I cant get permissions to copy entire trees over...presumably, cuz its stopping the folder creation (mkdirs)
[10:42] <seezer> kkathman: move by? smb? ftp? ssh?
[10:43] <N1omi> flixor, ctrl+tab changes tabs in firefox, so i don't want KDE doing anything when i use that shortcut
[10:43] <kkathman> seezer: at this point Im just using Krusader, but doesnt matter what I use
[10:43] <kkathman> seezer:  I have smb shares set up 
[10:43] <flixor> kee 
[10:44] <seezer> you can copy 1 file or directory but no subdir or file under a dir?
[10:45] <seezer> sounds like a weird umask - or 'creation mask' in smb.conf
[10:46] <seezer> what permissions do the copied files on A have?
[10:46] <kkathman> seezer: they are on Windows, so no permissions
[10:47] <seezer> you copy from C(win) to A(linux) i thought?
[10:47] <kkathman> seezer: yes
[10:47] <kkathman> Im on B tho
[10:47] <seezer> and no single file gets copied?
[10:47] <kkathman> trying to move them 
[10:47] <propagandhi> not long now till kde 3.5 RC1
[10:48] <kkathman> seezer: well, I think FILES would be, its just that directories with files under them are stopping the copy
[10:48] <kkathman> seezer: for instance I had to go to Box A to sudo mkdir a directory before
[10:49] <seezer> kkathman: then please copy one file and an empty dir from C to A (from B) like you did before
[10:49] <seezer> and show me 'ls -l /your/path'
[10:50] <seezer> perhaps newly created directories get permissions where you can't write below them anymore
[10:50] <kkathman> seezer: well I can do that, but what I am trying to copy, is a parent directory, with multiple sub-directories each with multiple files...so you can see how it would be better to just copy the entire tree
[10:50] <seezer> (samba gives them _new_ permissions when you copy them onto the machine)
[10:51] <seezer> so let's the what they get
[10:51] <seezer> ... s/the/see/
[10:51] <kkathman> seezer:  can I change that
[10:51] <kkathman> ohh ok
[10:51] <kkathman> one sec
[10:51] <Mars_^> Hi
[10:51] <Mars_^> Someone using kxdcker?>
[10:52] <Mars_^> I cant unable xMount plugin
[10:53] <Mars_^> and all time it shows me mounts at begining
[10:53] <neoncode> Is there a way to remove this 
[10:53] <kkathman> seezer:  it wont let me copy at all anything
[10:53] <neoncode> sorry I hit enter preiturely
[10:53] <kkathman> anything from C to A
[10:53] <seezer> kkathman: :)
[10:53] <neoncode> *premiturely... whatever
[10:53] <kkathman> seezer: I think thats not good :(
[10:54] <seezer> ok, check smb.conf - is the share read only?
[10:54] <seezer> kkathman: but should be no big problem - this is linux :)
[10:54] <neoncode> is there away to remove this "no root account" thing? I can log on as root but I want to have to put my root password in when useing sudo and when GUI apps ask for the root pass...
[10:54] <kkathman> let me check in smb.conf
[10:56] <seezer> neoncode: i think you just have to add a password for root
[10:56] <seezer> neoncode: sudo passwd root
[10:56] <kkathman> seezer: sorry I have no idea where to look for that
[10:56] <neoncode> seezer: I have
[10:57] <seezer> ok - one after each other :)
[10:58] <seezer> kkathman: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-6.html
[10:58] <kkathman> ahh okie doke
[10:58] <seezer> those are examples for samba shares
[10:59] <angelus0_o> heyall, how do i set my hp scanjet 4400c ???
[10:59] <seezer> now see if your used share has 'read only = yes' or something
[10:59] <kkathman> seezer yah I set it up just fine..and it works
[10:59] <seezer> :)
[10:59] <kkathman> I can copy from C to B just fine
[10:59] <seezer> neoncode: ok, and now? you want sudo to ask for your root password?
[10:59] <murtaugh> does anyone know if there is a known bug with kio_audio_cd crashing breezy w/ kde 3.5 b2?
[10:59] <kkathman> well maybe I just have to create the directories manually I guess
[11:00] <neoncode> seezer: yes and when a GUI app asks for my root pass i want to enter my root pass not my user one
[11:01] <seezer> neoncode: second, just browsing the manpage
[11:01] <seezer> ah here we go.
[11:01] <neoncode> seezer:?
[11:01] <seezer> neoncode: just add 'rootpw' (the word) in /etc/sudoers
[11:01] <seezer> there is a line 'Defaults'
[11:02] <seezer> just add it with a comma
[11:03] <neoncode> my /etc/sudoers file is empty
[11:03] <angelusco> hey, how do i set my grub ??? i want that the first option be windows, and after kubuntu also a few more seconds
[11:04] <seezer> neoncode: no. try again with sudo.
[11:04] <murtaugh> angelusco, its in /boot/grub/menu.lst  Be very careful though
[11:04] <angelusco> ya i know is there but i can't set it, 'cuz i am not the root, but it doesn't ask me for the pwd
[11:05] <neoncode> seezer: to open it?
[11:05] <seezer> yes
[11:06] <neoncode> ahh
[11:06] <angelusco> how can i be in console mode like root ?
[11:06] <neoncode> is says "# This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root."
[11:06] <neoncode> *it says
[11:06] <murtaugh> angelusco, press alt-f2 and type konsole
[11:06] <seezer> neoncode: oh sorry, yes.
[11:07] <murtaugh> angelusco, then type "sudo" before any command you want to run as root
[11:07] <angelusco> ok, one more question, how do i edit some file on kde (kubuntu)
[11:07] <angelusco> i know that is gedit but over gnome
[11:08] <LjL> angelusco: you can use nano in the console, or Kate in KDE
[11:08] <neoncode> Hmm i'm gonna try something. see you later...
[11:08] <seezer> ok..
[11:14] <lithium> hi all
[11:15] <lithium> how do i set the style, color and fonts, for apps like adept which run via sudo?
[11:15] <LjL> lithium: i think i've done "sudo kcontrol" to do that
[11:18] <lithium> LjL: mmm. adept doesn't use the setting. it runs via kdesu
[11:19] <LjL> lithium: well, "kdesu kcontrol" then ;-)
[11:22] <lithium> great
[11:26] <distrojunkie> hi, i have a printer shared from mac os x via samba, though it won't print from kubuntu, the samba log on os x says document-format-not-supported, is this a driver issue or os x?
[11:27] <_StarScream> distrojunkie: might be a filter issue
[11:28] <distrojunkie> sorry, how do you mean filter?
[11:29] <_StarScream> distrojunkie: well i think the applications use filterst to 'convert' the files to something the printer will understand
[11:29] <_StarScream> i don't understand it fully my self
[11:30] <distrojunkie> ok thanks
[11:39] <ksz`shrinkyjL[os> how do i set a default printer, because it says i cant because im not root
[11:39] <ksz`shrinkyjL[os> do i have to use sudo
[11:39] <ksz`shrinkyjL[os> and how?
[11:42] <icewt> system settings -> printers -> Administrator Mode... | and if the button doesn't work, either kdesu kcontrol or update your system (so the button will be fixed)
[11:45] <ksz`shrinkyjL[os> icewt thanks
[11:47] <[t0rc] > when I start up kubuntu, it goes to a command line login screen (no gui). how do I fix that? I tried logging in, then sudo, then kdm and got nothin...
[11:50] <[t0rc] > any help or suggestions?
[11:51] <zer0time> hi
[11:51] <zer0time> How can i reconfigure kubuntu clock?
[11:51] <zer0time> it changes clock settings in my bios
[11:52] <manveru> that is ntpd doing (afaik)
[11:52] <zer0time> well, how can I change it
[11:53] <manveru> i just gave you a precious piece of information to google for it :)
[11:53] <manveru> i don't know how to change it
[11:53] <manveru> and i wouldn't want to change it, because it keeps my bios-clock synched
[11:53] <zer0time> i only need to know
[11:54] <zer0time> what pakage I have to reconfigure
[11:54] <manveru> i don't think you can reconfigure it with apt
[11:54] <manveru> the package should be ntpd
[11:54] <zer0time> dpkg, 
[11:55] <manveru> whatever...
[11:55] <zer0time> that package is not installed
[11:55] <dennis_p> zer0time: k menu > system prefs > date and time > disable ntp service
[11:56] <manveru> kde has it's own ntp-service?
[11:57] <dennis_p> well 'set date and timne automatically' (via kubuntu paid server)
[11:57] <zer0time> dont see option
[11:58] <dennis_p> uncheck 'set date and time automatically'
[11:58] <dennis_p> first click 'Administrator Mode' in Date and Time
[11:59] <LjL> zer0time: out of curiosity, why do you want to remove time updating? it's there to make your clock more precise
[12:00] <zer0time> not remove it, I just dont want it to change my bios clock settings
[12:00] <dennis_p> probably because his WIndows reads the UTC time as being local time
[12:00] <zer0time> for some reason, I misconfigured it
[12:00] <LjL> dennis_p: actually, i've experienced more the opposite... linux tries to keep the hw clock as UTC, while windows wants local
[12:00] <LjL> dennis_p: but that gets asked during Ubuntu installation, i think
[12:01] <zer0time> exactly, 
[12:01] <zer0time> what package is that?
[12:01] <manveru> yeah, linux sets it to UTC to get the local time for every user on the system right
[12:01] <manveru> and windows suggests that there is only one user anyway...
[12:01] <LjL> zer0time: ok, so what you'd like to do is change that setting you got wrong during installation, *not* actually stop ntpd, right?