[12:10] <tseng> awesome
[12:31] <daniels> jbailey: will you be terribly annoyed with me if I upload glibc?
[01:58] <daniels> Unpacking libc6-dev-amd64 (from .../libc6-dev-amd64_2.3.5-1ubuntu12_i386.deb) ...
[01:58] <daniels> i'm rather scared now
[01:59] <kikidonk> tseng: do you still have your evolution contacts with evo 2.6 ?
[01:59] <kikidonk> or is there some manipulation to get them bakc
[02:22] <daniels> lamont-away: 'finally'?
[02:37] <lamont-away> well, 'twas a long-ish day
[02:37] <lamont-away> not as long as, say ours.
[02:37] <lamont-away> er, yours
[02:38] <daniels> well, just one day makes it not long at all ;) i arrived two days after I left
[02:44] <daniels> tseng: so what is it you said that monodoc was waiting on?
[02:44] <daniels> tseng: dbus 0.50-1ubuntu1 is failing everywhere due to monodoc stuff; I forgot that before I uploaded
[03:17] <bmonty> anyone here use gnat?
[03:54] <daniels> pitti: 'morning
[03:54] <pitti> Hi daniels! Had a safe trip home?
[03:56] <daniels> yeah, fine thanks.  how was dinner?
[04:00] <pitti> daniels: funny. We had a good time figuring out who was who, given a small story/fact about everyone
[04:00] <pitti> daniels: and before we wandered through the city for two hours solving questions in teams
[04:02] <daniels> pitti: heh, cool
[07:11] <tseng> daniels: new monodoc uploaded a few days ago
[07:15] <tseng> daniels: hm ill look at that tonight
[09:40] <daniels> ts	ta
[09:43] <justnulli> what happend to libapache2-request-perl in breezy?
[09:47] <HiddenWolf> daniels, what's that supposed to mean?
[09:49] <daniels> tseng: ta
[09:49] <daniels> HiddenWolf: that irssi's paste detection semantics still bite
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> daniels, you're the xorg guy, use something graphical and flashy. :)
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> HiddenWolf: as opposed to say, functional
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> HrdwrBoB, of course! ;)
[09:51] <daniels> HiddenWolf: gnome-terminal?
[09:52] <HiddenWolf> daniels, =)
[09:52] <daniels> reminds me of bero, who used to be the red hat kde maintainer
[09:52] <daniels> never really used X much.  had something ludicrous like 17 VTs.
[09:53] <HiddenWolf> bug report "konqueror is broke" -> him: "what's konqueror?"
[10:24] <HiddenWolf> Right, i'm off, selling ubuntu. :)
[10:26] <highvoltage> HiddenWolf: good luck
[10:26] <HiddenWolf> highvoltage, thanks. :)
[10:51] <dtf> I am trying to wrap my head around dpatch. What is a good example package the uses dpatch well?
[11:53] <poningru> can someone update this
[11:53] <poningru> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/
[11:54] <poningru> its really really old
[12:35] <lucas> hi
[12:35] <HiddenWolf> jdub, ping
[12:36] <lucas> how do ubuntu works wrt to translations ? for example, the french translation is far from being usable by non-english-speaking people.
[12:36] <lucas> Are the packages going to be updated during the breezy lifetime ?
[12:36] <HiddenWolf> lucas, language packs are imported from Rosetta. https://launchpad.net/rosetta
[12:37] <HiddenWolf> lucas, yes
[12:37] <lucas> yeah, but how often ?
[12:37] <HiddenWolf> lucas, when there's a significant change
[12:37] <janimo> HiddenWolf so breezy-updates can contain translations too not just security/dataloss fixes?
[12:37] <lucas> ok
[12:37] <HiddenWolf> janimo, that's the plan. But they won't be updated for a couple of strings.
[12:37] <lucas> thanks HiddenWolf 
[12:39] <HiddenWolf> lucas, so your best bet is to poke #ubuntu-fr to translate ubuntu on rosetta, and then badger someone here to update the language packs
[12:39] <maswan> Whee, the breezy release made front page of the newsletter of SUNET (our NREN)
[12:40] <lucas> HiddenWolf: ok
[12:40] <Nafallo> lol
[12:40] <maswan> in swedish: http://basun.sunet.se/sunetten/Nr-2005-5.pdf
[12:43] <Nafallo> maswan: *asg*, hacker-attack? maybe you should tell them about dapper already ;-)
[12:52] <maswan> Nafallo: Just a communication issue, I told my netmasters, they didn't tell their upstream. :)
[12:52] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:53] <Nafallo> so when the real hacker-attack comes they will think Ubuntu is released and ignore it *evil grin*
[01:00] <lucas> what's the template name for the translation of the "system" menu in gnome ?
[01:00] <lucas> it seems it's not gnome-panel
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> ask #ubuntu
[01:01] <Nafallo> lucas: should be control-center AFAIK
[01:02] <lucas> doesn't seem so
[01:02] <lucas> do you know if it's possible to search for a string, like "Log out" ?
[01:03] <HiddenWolf> that's definatly control center
[01:03] <WaterSevenUb> lucas, #ubuntu-translators
[01:03] <Nafallo> not that I'm aware of, you might wanna talk to #launchpad though
[01:03] <lucas> ok
[01:03] <Nafallo> or rather what WaterSevenUb said :-)
[01:03] <lucas> yup, I'll try that
[03:15] <slomo> lamont-away, infinity: please remove banshee (for amd64) and galago-sharp (for every arch) from dep-wait
[03:40] <zakame> heya
[04:36] <Keybuk> \o/ dapper
[04:36] <zakame> what's up?
[04:50] <HiddenWolf> sabdfl, ping
[04:50] <HiddenWolf> jdub, ping
[04:54] <sabdfl> HiddenWolf: pong
[04:54] <sabdfl> jdub is on the road
[04:55] <HiddenWolf> sabdfl, remember we talked a few weeks back?
[04:56] <HiddenWolf> mind if I query you?
[04:56] <sabdfl> HiddenWolf: you'll need to remind me
[05:02] <janimo> sabdfl, do you think it's too late to make a xubuntu install CD from breezy packages now?
[05:03] <Nafallo> *buntu 5.10 and xubuntu 5.11? :-)
[05:03] <janimo> ;)
[05:03] <Nafallo> people will upgrade like crazy ;-)
[05:04] <janimo> I didn't think of that
[05:08] <wasabi> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[05:08] <wasabi> That's unexpected.
[05:09] <sabdfl> janimo: it may be possible to craft an unofficial cd, if the xfce packages are all rocking
[05:09] <sabdfl> but i would recommend rather doing a minimal ubuntu install, then pulling in the xubuntu-desktop
[05:09] <sabdfl> and focusing attention on dapper, where we can do it properly
[05:09] <janimo> sabdfl, that's how people currently install
[05:10] <janimo> and I wondered if they'd be better off with all the stuff on CD
[05:10] <sabdfl> janimo: can you craft unofficial cd's?
[05:10] <sabdfl> i would be happy to point at them from the web site
[05:10] <janimo> especially since people with poorer hw could have lower bandwidth too
[05:11] <janimo> sabdfl, I could try to do it, several people already tried I was asking if it can be done with canonical buildd
[05:11] <janimo> if not we'll try unoficially on xubuntu-devel
[06:29] <ogra> sabayon (2.12.1-0ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low
[06:29] <ogra>  .
[06:29] <ogra>      - Work with remote X displays
[06:29] <seb128> erf
[06:48] <janimo> I get warning with BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 after apt-get update
[06:48] <janimo> even though apt-key lists that ket as the ubuntu ftp key 
[06:48] <janimo> any suggestions?
[06:49] <Kinnison> might be catching an archive mid-update
[06:49] <Kinnison> apt-get update again
[06:49] <janimo> ok, thanks
[06:50] <ernstp> was playing around with GDebi
[06:50] <janimo> just curious hmm how long does an archive update take? same warning after a minute 
[06:50] <Kinnison> which archive are you using?
[06:51] <janimo> ubuntu dapper including universe
[06:51] <Kinnison> odd
[06:51] <Kinnison> elmo: any idea ^^^ ?
[06:51] <janimo> this used to happen to me from time to time but I ignired them
[06:51] <janimo> but I became curious
[06:52] <janimo> isn't this supposed to be an atomic change on the servers?
[06:52] <Kinnison> I don't believe the mirror syncs are atomic, no
[06:53] <hunger> janimo: I guess it should be an atomic change... but is not as it would lock the server for too long.
[06:53] <janimo> the warning message is misleading though, as the key does not change
[06:54] <janimo> oh well it's not that important but as I said it made me curious as it;'s not the first time it happens
[06:55] <hunger> janimo: Happens to me too occasionally. Goes away after a while. I guess you can try to ask the server admins for ideas if you can find them;-)
[06:55] <janimo> it's the default us.ubuntu server :)
[06:55] <janimo> so I don't know if it's a mirroring problem
[06:56] <janimo> anyway thanks
[07:22] <tvo> fabbione: ping (about ubuntulog)
[07:22] <fabbione> tvo: pong...
[07:23] <tvo> fabbione: is it possible to add ubuntulog to #katapult, the development channel of katapult (kubuntu katapult team)
[07:24] <mpt> smurf, ping
[07:24] <fabbione> tvo: no sorry. i only take main channels. i can't handle to log per apps channel
[07:24] <fabbione> tvo: you can smurf.. i think he has another log bot around
[07:25] <tvo> fabbione: ok, thanks
[07:25] <fabbione> no problem
[07:25] <Keybuk> jbailey: do you have any particular preference for the /etc/modules file, or the new /lib/modules/boot directory-o-symlinks ?
[07:26] <smurf> mpt: ?
[07:28] <mpt> smurf, w.r.t. your comment about how the keyboard layout detector will change
[07:28] <smurf> tvo: I'd recommend that you run your own logging bot someplace -- it's just a standard supybot setup
[07:28] <mpt> smurf, have you come up with the wording of what you'll ask people to do?
[07:29] <smurf> mpt: No -- feel free to think of something
[07:30] <mpt> heh, that's what I was trying to do :-)
[07:30] <mpt> mental block
[07:30] <smurf> heh
[07:30] <tvo> smurf: ok, thanks.  I don't have a server myself, but I'll tell some other guy who has about supybot..
[07:30] <jbailey> Keybuk: What sort of preferences do you want?
[07:30] <mpt> "Type the first of the characters on the list that is present on your keyboard"
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[07:31] <smurf> mpt:  .. the first character that ...
[07:31] <smurf> mpt:  .. the first character (starting from the left) that ...
 Type the first character that ...
[07:32] <mpt> smurf, how many will there be at once?
[07:32] <smurf> (where the arrow points to the left-most character)
[07:33] <ptlo> smurf, mpt: couldn't the detection be arranged so that user can type *any* character from the list? and if this doesn't narrow the types enough, create another list, and ask user to type another char (just my 2c, and i'm nobody in ubuntu dev universe :)
[07:33] <smurf> mpt: the first string will have one of every script we know of
[07:33] <smurf> ptlo: no
[07:33] <smurf> the problem is that you have keyboards which are supersets of one another
[07:34] <mpt> i.e. turn the decision tree into a decision sieve
[07:34] <smurf> so the alternative is to ask repeatedly "do you have the "" key". On a US keyboard that's ten stupid questions, far too many
[07:34] <ptlo> i see
[07:35] <smurf> we have that now. It's awkward, and I want to produce an extended tree that's error-tolerant
[07:35] <the--dud> the way I've always thought, is that people know which language they type
[07:35] <smurf> i.e. if you miss the first letter that *may* be OK if I find another way to distinguish the keymaps..
[07:35] <the--dud> they know what sort of keyboard they have?
[07:35] <smurf> the--dud: no
[07:36] <smurf> the--dud: many people don't, or they have surplus keyboards, or they are in a mixed-language region
[07:36] <the--dud> hrm
[07:36] <smurf> I've seen some rather strange bugs along these lines
[07:36] <smurf> the--dud: ever wondered why we decided to build the keymap guesser in the first place?  ;-)
[07:37] <the--dud> I figured it was a case of over-friendliness lol
[07:37] <mpt> thanks smurf 
[08:55] <jcole> hi guys, i ordered some ubuntu cds and it seems like it's taking quite a while (shipit.ubuntu.com 2005-10-13: 140 CDs sent to shipping company)... i'm in california... does it usually take this long? do the cds come from outside the us?
[08:56] <mdke> I'm afriad you'll have to be a bit patient
[08:56] <mdke> they take a while to send out and they come from Europe
[08:56] <jcole> i want them NOW, lol
[08:56] <mdke> have you got a deadline for them?
[08:56] <mdke> if so, you should be able to apply for priority, if you have a look at shipit it will tell you how iirc
[08:56] <jcole> no, but i've promised quite a few people
[08:57] <mdke> jcole, the general rule is 4-6 weeks
[08:58] <jcole> mdke: ok
[08:59] <slomo> mine arrived today :)
[09:00] <mdke> lucky ;)
[09:59] <Keybuk> gnargh
[10:07] <Kinnison> Keybuk: ?
[10:07] <Keybuk> Kinnison: s/unstable/dapper/
[10:08] <Kinnison> Keybuk: *snigger*
[10:12] <tseng> daniels: ping
[10:12] <daniels> tseng: good morning freedom and/or lovers
[10:12] <tseng> daniels: yeah.. dbus
[10:12] <daniels> yeah ...
[10:12] <tseng> upstream is jacked, they call a hardcoded "monodoc" a zillion times
[10:13] <daniels> what should they be doing?
[10:13] <tseng> autotools
[10:13] <slomo> and they have broken configure which looks for "monodoc" in PATH
[10:13] <tseng> make a variable that we can pass/patch
[10:13] <tseng> for the monodoc binary
[10:13] <slomo> or do it right and don't look/use "monodoc" but mdassembler/monodocer
[10:13] <tseng> because "monodoc" was a terrible wrapper to everything, it was never very correct
[10:14] <daniels> hrm
[10:15] <daniels> so what should it be on an ubuntu system?
[10:15] <tseng> mdassembler is the latest crack
[10:15] <daniels> i just made it variable-tastic, but what should I override it to?
[10:15] <slomo> daniels: you either need to patch autofoo stuff, disable it for now until upstream fixes it or wait for mono-tools to get into universe and after that into main and build-depend on monodoc-browser
[10:16] <tseng> slomo: eh it shouldnt use that stupid wrapper in any case
[10:16] <daniels> is mdassembler a drop-in replacement for monodoc, or do I need to change arguments?
[10:17] <slomo> no... for monodoc --get-sourcesdir use "pkg-config monodoc --variable=sourcesdir"
[10:17] <slomo> for monodoc --assemble use mdassembler
[10:17] <slomo> for monodoc --update use monodocer
[10:18] <slomo> and in configure just disable the check if "monodoc" is in path... the pkg-config one is sufficient
[10:24] <daniels> i assume i need 1.19 or above for this, not .16?
[10:24] <slomo> daniels: it's broken too in debian/experimental btw... it will FTBFS now
[10:24] <slomo> yes
[10:27] <carl> I think apt-get install linux-686 put ^M's in /boot/grub/menu.lst - anyone want this in bugzilla?
[10:30] <Keybuk> did jdub's 770 ever arrive?
[10:31] <jdub> Keybuk: no
[10:31] <jdub> don't think they sent it, never got a confirmation email
[10:35] <daniels> tseng, slomo: thanks
[10:35] <tseng> daniels: no.. thank you oh wizard of autocrack
[10:36] <slomo> daniels: np :) how did you fix it? patching generated autofoo stuff and sources or rebuilding autofoo stuff while building the package?
[10:36] <daniels> mdz: does mcpp need a main inclusion report or can we just seed it?
[10:36] <mdz> new source package, needs a report
[10:36] <daniels> slomo: patched configure.in and Makefile.am to be sane, re-ran autoreconf -v --reinstall
[10:36] <daniels> mdz: hrm, okay
[10:36] <slomo> daniels: ok, thanks :)
[10:39] <daniels> slomo: np
[10:48] <daniels> elmo: could you please promote mesa-common-dev to main?
[10:49] <elmo> daniels: you know mesa is trying to pull in lesstif aTM?
[10:49] <elmo> done m-c-d in any event
[10:49] <daniels> elmo: i fixed that in 0ubuntu2?
[10:50] <elmo> ah, ok, I haven't rerun cron.sync  in a while
[10:50] <daniels> argh, no I didn't
[10:50] <Treenaks> daniels: did the X thing actually build in dapper yet?
[10:50] <daniels> thanks for the catch; -swrast-dev still had it, but much of a muchness
[10:50] <daniels> Treenaks: nope
[10:50] <Treenaks> daniels: (or, could you send me a 'how to build a register extracter')
[10:51] <daniels> heh
[10:51] <daniels> so, what you need to do, is open /dev/mem, seek to your card's base memory address
[10:52] <Treenaks> daniels: the one lspci -v gives me?
[10:52] <daniels> then read out the bits of RADEON_FP_GEN_CNTL (offset 0x0284)
[10:52] <daniels> compare between fglrx and radeon
[10:52] <daniels> that'll do for a start
[10:52] <daniels> Treenaks: yeah
[10:53] <Treenaks> daniels: the 64k memory bit, or the 128M bit?
[10:53] <daniels> elmo: (libgl1-mesa-swrast-dev still had it as a install-time depends, but that's in universe anyway, so)
[10:54] <daniels> Treenaks: i think the 64k one, yeah
[10:54] <daniels> the 128MB one should just be your framebuffer
[10:54] <Treenaks> daniels: ok, I'll hack around a bit on the plane tomorrow :)
[10:54] <daniels> cool
[10:54] <daniels> try not to hang your machine
[10:55] <elmo> NO PRESSURE
[10:55] <daniels> i'm pretty sure fp_gen_cntl is 4 bytes wide
[10:55] <daniels> elmo: MAXIMUM PRESSURE
[10:56] <Treenaks> daniels: sync; sync; try
[10:56] <Treenaks> daniels: rebooting is easy
[10:56] <Treenaks> (and if I stay with read()s, it should be hard to break stuff, I guess)
[10:58] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, BOOM!
[10:58] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: ?!
[10:59] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, it just broke. ;)
[10:59] <elmo> daniels: anastacia/germinate doesn't see the distinction, they want to promote, l-m-s-d to main, so they want to promote lesstif too)
[10:59] <elmo> (fyi)
[10:59] <daniels> Treenaks: also 0x0250, 0x0254
[11:00] <daniels> Treenaks: 0x0350 and 0x0354 maybe as well, but that's less probable
[11:00] <daniels> elmo: oh.  why do they want to promote l-m-s-d?
[11:00] <elmo> oh, they don't, it's already in main
[11:01] <elmo> no, it's not, argh, I'm going INSANE
[11:02] <elmo>  o libgl1-mesa-swrast libgl1-mesa-swrast-dev mesa-common-dev            {mesa}
[11:02] <elmo>    [Reverse-Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev, libgl1-mesa-swrast-dev, libosmesa6-dev] 
[11:02] <elmo> ^-- someone with more sleep than me, pls decode that, kthxbye
[11:02] <Pygi> bye
[11:04] <daniels> elmo: that looks like one of aj's scripts
[11:04] <daniels> elmo: understandable output is for SUCKERS
[11:04] <Treenaks> daniels: those are byte offsets?
[11:05] <daniels> oh, I see
[11:05] <daniels> Treenaks: yeah
[11:05] <Treenaks> daniels: ok
[11:05] <daniels> elmo: can we demote libosmesa6-dev?
[11:07] <elmo> daniels: according to melanie, yes - it must be explicitly seeded; if you (/can convince someone to) fix that, I can demote it
[11:08] <Kamion> hey, good opportunity to test bzr seed commits
[11:08] <Kamion> I'll do that
[11:08] <Kamion> testing before it's important is for LOSERS
[11:08] <tseng> Kamion++
[11:09] <daniels> heh
[11:09] <daniels> elmo, Kamion: thanks
[11:09] <Pygi> Hey Kamion
[11:10] <daniels> hrngh
[11:10] <daniels> the python module we need for bzr sftp access doesn't appear to be packaged
[11:10] <daniels> also, its source is maintained in tla
[11:11] <tseng> daniels: jbailey packages it
[11:11] <tseng> daniels: in his nightlies
[11:11] <daniels> ah
[11:11] <tseng> bzrtools has sftp stuffs
[11:11] <Kamion> ... as SeedManagement says
[11:12] <daniels> Kamion: (actually, Seedmanagement doesn't mention paramiko; i just grabbed the bzr source and installed)
[11:12] <daniels> actually, it does mention it, I'm just shit.
[11:12] <Kamion> revno: 469
[11:12] <Kamion> committer: cjwatson@flatline.org.uk
[11:12] <Kamion> go me. anyway.
[11:15] <Kinnison> Kamion: *g*
[11:17] <Keybuk> which one of the dozen ways are you going to document?
[11:18] <Kinnison> [DEFAULT] 
[11:18] <Kinnison> email=blar
[11:18] <Kinnison> I imagine
[11:18] <Kamion> right
[11:18] <Kamion> pitti: http://bazaar.canonical.com/IntroductionToBzr has documentation of per-branch userids
[11:52] <lamont-away> jbailey: any chance that the new klibc is what we need for initramfs on hppa?
[11:52] <lamont-away> or is that still pending?
[11:53] <jbailey> lamont-away: No chance.
[11:53] <lamont-away> right
[11:53] <lamont-away> just curious, mind you. :-)