[07:23] <nickrud> anyone awake?
[07:24] <bhuvan> nickrud, yes
[07:24] <nickrud> I've been working a bit on the restrictedformats page, I was wondering if someone would take a look. http://pinutos.dyndns.org/MyWiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:25] <nickrud> mostly the media stuff at the moment. I've kinda changed the focus a bit
[07:26] <wezzer> looks pretty nice
[07:27] <nickrud> I'm thinking that more focus on actual use, rather than the abstract way it's been is a way to go.
[07:28] <nickrud> plus, it's good practice 
[07:33] <bhuvan> nickrud, sounds nice over all
[07:33] <bhuvan> nickrud, but what's the reason behind removing gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[07:35] <nickrud> none, that's one reason it needs a bit of proofreading
[07:36] <nickrud> when I cut and pasted, I pasted over it, I guess and missed it
[07:36] <rob^> mdke, yo homie!
[07:37] <nickrud> this, java, and a few other things have bothered me for months. I think focusing on usage will slow down the changes to them
[07:37] <nickrud> plus, no more marillat
[07:40] <bhuvan> rob^: i'm thinking of preparing the template for server guide based on current wiki spec
[07:40] <rob^> the xml template?
[07:40] <bhuvan> let me know if you have already done or have other plans?
[07:40] <rob^> there is a template on the wiki page
[07:41] <rob^> just needs more love
[07:41] <bhuvan> yeah, current guide is fully based on faqguide. 
[07:41] <bhuvan> we must remove couple of sections and make it compatible with w.u.c/ServerGuide
[07:41] <rob^> kind of disregard the faq guide, have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide
[07:41] <rob^> bhuvan, sure that is all part of it
[07:42] <rob^> for instance I have removed all of the server stuff from the desktop guide already that was included in the faq guide
[07:43] <bhuvan> ok
[07:43] <bhuvan> but clarify, do we really need getting started, where can i download ubuntu, etc.
[07:44] <rob^> as a reference check out the bsd user guide
[07:44] <rob^> and feel free to use things from the unreleased and not finished Ubuntu user guide found in our repo
[07:45] <bhuvan> ok
[07:46] <bhuvan> but intended audience are admin/experienced users, right ?
[07:46] <rob^> yes
[07:46] <rob^> but still make it accessable to everyone with a little knowledge
[07:46] <bhuvan> ok
[07:47] <bhuvan> so, just to be clear, we need not remove topics, but we may add new topics based on w.u.c/ServerGuide ?
[07:48] <rob^> feel free to change the template on ServerGuide how you see fit
[07:49] <bhuvan> ok. i already added couple of topics in ServerGuide
[07:49] <rob^> when your happy let me or mdke know and we'll take a look
[07:55] <rob^> grr some nob has got my email address and thinks it is some kind of support service..
[07:56] <bhuvan> :)
[07:57] <Madpilot> rob^: I got an email like that today as well - I'd been the last person to edit the wiki's scanner page, it seems...
[07:57] <rob^> idiots
 just a bit confused...
[07:57] <rob^> I even gave the guy links to the forums, irc and help.ubuntu.com and the wiki and he still kept asking me stupid questions..
[07:59] <Madpilot> OK, that might actually be idiocy. My guy just asked one question about the article he thought I'd written; I sent him back to the forums & told him a bit about how the wiki works..
[07:59] <rob^> and just not reply :0
[07:59] <rob^> :)
[07:59] <rob^> my reply: "You will need to register for an account on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:59] <rob^> and post it yourself.."
[08:00] <rob^> (yes this was after I have given him that link twice already)
[08:00] <rob^> (in the last 30 minutes)
[08:02] <Madpilot> bleh...
[08:02] <Madpilot> was this via email or IRC?
[08:02] <rob^> email
[08:02] <rob^> direct
[08:03] <rob^> ie to my email account, not via a list
[08:03] <Madpilot> bleh again...
[08:03] <rob^> he must have gotten my email from the wiki or something
[08:03] <Madpilot> yeah...
[08:03] <Madpilot> contemplating removing my email addy from the wiki - Ubuntu folks who want it can get it thru Launchpad
[08:06] <rob^> hmm
[09:04] <mdke> rob^, ping?
[09:07] <rob^> mdke pong
[09:07] <mdke> aha
[09:07] <mdke> rob^, get my PM?
[09:07] <rob^> no
[09:07] <rob^> brb
[09:08] <mdke> rob^, i gtg to work, i just wanted to know what you've done to the desktop guide with all that olink, perhaps you could mail the list about it?
[09:11] <rob^> back
[09:12] <rob^> sure I was planning to, just haven't had the time
[09:12] <rob^> I have xincluded everything, the database and olink stuff was to get the xrefs to work
[09:13] <rob^> in the desktop guide at least
[09:13] <mdke> didn't they work before?
[09:14] <rob^> when you split things into multiple documents with xinclude you need to create a database of xref, olinks etc
[09:14] <mdke> right
[09:14] <mdke> it has made the makefile really complicated...
[09:15] <rob^> heh yeah
[09:15] <mdke> i'm concerned because don't forget someone is gonna have to copy all that stuff for every language it get's translated to...
[09:15] <rob^> its not that hard to understand once you get the hang of it
[09:15] <mdke> and alter each path
[09:16] <rob^> sure, I'm just testing a few things, maybe I'll use a variable or something to make the makefile simpler
[09:17] <mdke> there is a database file in the root of trunk too
[09:17] <rob^> yes, the olink db
[09:17] <rob^> not sure if it will be needed 
[09:17] <mdke> why is it in trunk?
[09:18] <rob^> because it represents the html build directory format, it would be universal for all documents if we used olinks
[09:18] <mdke> ok i gtg now
[09:19] <rob^> it could be moved into /build or /common and the directories fixed up, but I'm not sure if we need it
[09:19] <mdke> we can talk later
[09:19] <rob^> ok
[09:19] <rob^> i gtg to lug meeting anyway
[09:19] <rob^> bye
[12:02] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[02:09] <jsgotangco> hi all
[02:11] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[02:12] <highvoltage> how's the new job? sitting on irc already? :)
[02:12] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:12] <jsgotangco> i arrived home a few hours ago
[02:12] <jsgotangco> its pretty much start-up mode atm
[02:12] <jsgotangco> everything in chaos
[02:13] <highvoltage> oh, right. sorry, i tend to forget about timezones :)
[02:13] <jsgotangco> lol incidentally, the head of the company is from zimbabwe who relocated to au
[02:13] <jsgotangco> kind of reminded me of sabdfl
[02:15] <jsgotangco> he saw me instralling ubuntu and he said "hey i know that word"
[02:15] <jsgotangco> he has no idea about th e linux distro though
[02:25] <jjesse> morning
[02:26] <jjesse> lots of changes to svn since friday when i left :)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> hey jjesse 
[02:28] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco 
[02:28] <jjesse> just finished reading the log of the meeting on friday
[02:28] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:28] <jsgotangco> chaotic if you ask me
[02:29] <jjesse> me too, couldn't follow things very well, was wondering if anything really got decided
[02:55] <jsgotangco> jjesse: do you want to continue the QuickTour for Dapper or do we focus on a new doc?
[02:55] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i mean QuickGuide
[03:11] <jjesse> we talked about doing the Quicktour
[03:17] <apokryphos> jjesse: any list of docs to do? I figure I might as well get my feet soaked now =)
[03:20] <jjesse> apokrphos check out wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs
[03:21] <apokryphos> ack, sorry about that
[03:34] <jjesse> apokryphos: check KubuntuDocs for the list
[03:49] <apokryphos> jjesse: thanks; I'll take a look