[12:30] <mhz> hi
[12:31] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip Has been updated based on the opinions and suggestions gotten in IRC
[12:31] <mhz> JaneW: hi there
[12:34] <cafuego> specifically: 'rpc failed: 2' in between /scripts/nfs-premount and /scripts/nfs-bottom
[12:36] <mhz> I actually never payed attention to errors as long as clients do boot
[12:36] <mhz> IIRC, Oliver mentioned some errors as 'normal' for this version
[12:36] <mhz> :)
[12:36] <cafuego> This plonks me in a busybox shell, no joy on the booting :-(
[12:36] <mhz> ooohhh
[12:37] <cafuego> The scripts all report 'Done.' but then I end up with: mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory
[12:38] <mhz> oooh
[12:38] <mhz> well, you got me there.
[12:38] <mhz> and had your installation worked ok before getting this errors?
[12:40] <cafuego> Can you tell me the cfg in your  inetd (fopr tftp) and pxelinux.0/default?
[12:40] <cafuego> argh /me lags
[12:41] <mhz_cooking> cafuego: yes, gimme 2 mins
[12:41] <cafuego_> Ack
[12:42] <cafuego_> Any chance you could give me your tftp config line and pxelinux config?
[07:50] <mhz_cooking> cafuego_: ping
[08:22] <cafuego_> mhz: pong
[11:29] <Arago> hello all
[11:29] <Arago> I have a question. Can I ?
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> what about?
[11:43] <Arago> I'm looking for a software like the DERIVE(tm) one
[11:44] <bluefrog-10> sry don't know what it is
[11:44] <Arago> it's a matematical soft used to resolve equation, disequation. Also plot a graph for the function
[11:45] <bluefrog-10> u're runnning ubuntu i suppose?
[11:46] <Arago> yes
[11:47] <bluefrog-10> open applications > add applications and have a look in the edutainment menu 
[11:47] <bluefrog-10> i can see kmplot which could be useful to u maybe
[11:47] <Arago> i'll do it now
[11:47] <Arago> thank
[11:47] <bluefrog-10> you can also use synaptic
[11:48] <bluefrog-10> and use it's sections sorting ability to trace something
[11:48] <bluefrog-10> in both case u should enble the universe repository
[11:48] <bluefrog-10> and eventually muliverse
[11:49] <bluefrog-10> multiverse
[11:49] <Arago> ok thanks for now !
[01:15] <mhz_breakfast> bluefrog-10: also, maybe he could look at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuScientists
[02:09] <mhz_breakfast> re
[02:10] <zakame> hey mhz :)
[02:10] <mhz> zakame: nice to cya
[02:11] <mhz> has anyone here helped ogra with the recipe of current 5.10?
[02:11] <zakame> recipe?
[02:12] <mhz> zakame: hmmm, with the knowhow and actually making all the components work together well for the release
[02:12] <zakame> mhz: ah
[02:12] <mhz> :)
[02:12] <mhz> sorry, I feel a little lazy lately and didnt want to write all that :D
[02:13] <zakame> no problem, just asking as I'm also new too :D
[02:13] <mhz> okidoki
[02:13] <mhz> highvoltage: hi, did you?
[02:14] <mhz> JaneW: ping
[02:14] <highvoltage> mhz: sorry, did I?
[02:14] <mhz> has anyone here helped ogra with the recipe of current 5.10?
[02:15] <highvoltage> ah, sorry. catching up noe.
[02:15] <mhz> recipe= hmmm, with the knowhow and actually making all the components work together well for the release
[02:15] <highvoltage> now.
[02:15] <highvoltage> mhz: i think it's all ogra, really.
[02:15] <mhz> ok
[02:15] <highvoltage> he did the whole edubuntu by himself.
[02:15] <mhz> highvoltage: ever done a customized LiveCd
[02:15] <mhz> ?
[02:15] <highvoltage> yep.
[02:16] <mhz> highvoltage: duh! that's why he's Mr. Edubuntu
[02:16] <highvoltage> i've done a livecd from scratch, and customised knoppix a few times.
[02:16] <mhz> highvoltage: could you help me with some details?
[02:16] <highvoltage> mhz: yes :)
[02:16] <highvoltage> sure.
[02:16] <mhz> thx
[02:17] <highvoltage> edoo: ogra
[02:17] <edoo> ogra is Oliver Grawert
[02:17] <highvoltage> edoo: ogra
[02:17] <edoo> ogra is Oliver Grawert
[02:17] <highvoltage> hmmm..
[02:17] <mhz> I have a meeting tomorrow with one of the important universities here in Chile. Some math teachers have asked to think how to make customized Edubuntu LiveCd's for each carrier
[02:17] <mhz> highvoltage: is edoo a bot?
[02:18] <highvoltage> yep.
[02:18] <highvoltage> edoo: mhz
[02:18] <edoo> highvoltage: I'm not following you...
[02:18] <highvoltage> ok. thought he knew your name too.
[02:18] <mhz> hhehe
[02:18] <highvoltage> edoo: choose highvoltage is stupid or highvoltage is clever
[02:18] <edoo> I choose highvoltage is clever, highvoltage
[02:18] <mhz> LOL
[02:18] <highvoltage> edoo: google for edubuntu
[02:18] <edoo> highvoltage: Google found 'Edubuntu - Linux for Young Human Beings', at "http://www.edubuntu.org/"
[02:18] <zakame> haha
[02:19] <highvoltage> edoo: slashdot
[02:19] <edoo> highvoltage: Slashdot - Updated 2005-11-08 12:35:00 | Vertical Axis Wind Turbine With Push and Pull | Morfik and Rapid Development of Modern Web Apps | No More Science on the ISS Until Further Notice | YouTube Receives $3.5M Funding from Sequoia
[02:19] <mhz> edoo: google for edward ubuntu
[02:19] <edoo> mhz: Google found 'Edward&#39;s Weblog', at "http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/edward?entry=nis_auth_and_ubuntu_group"
[02:19] <mhz> :D
[02:20] <highvoltage> it has karma too.
[02:20] <highvoltage> edoo: mhz++
[02:20] <highvoltage> edoo: karma mhz
[02:20] <edoo> highvoltage: mhz has karma of 1
[02:20] <mhz> nha
[02:20] <mhz> I should have at least 10
[02:21] <mhz> highvoltage: sorry to interrupt your delightful entretainment but..
[02:21] <mhz> I have a meeting tomorrow with one of the important universities here in Chile. Some math teachers have asked to think how to make customized Edubuntu LiveCd's for each carrier
[02:21] <mhz> so,
[02:21] <mhz> I gotta make a list how much effort that would mean
[02:22] <mhz> what kind of infrastructure they should have to do so
[02:22] <neurogeek> mhz, good morning!
[02:23] <mhz> neurogeek: guten morgen
[02:23] <highvoltage> hmmm...
[02:23] <mhz> neurogeek: you speak spanish, right?
[02:23] <highvoltage> i usually worked off the customising knoppix guides.
[02:24] <highvoltage> i wonder if there's a similar one for ubuntu.
[02:24] <highvoltage> that might be the best bet.
[02:24] <highvoltage> edoo: google for customise ubuntu livecs
[02:24] <highvoltage> edoo: google for customise ubuntu livecd
[02:24] <edoo> highvoltage: ERROR: No matches found
[02:24] <edoo> highvoltage: Google found 'Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings', at "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/"
[02:24] <mhz> hehehe
[02:25] <mhz> highvoltage: I can google as well, but I was wondering if you could have some ideas
[02:25] <neurogeek> mhz, si.. jeje
[02:25] <mhz> neurogeek: are you participating in this maracaibo congress?
[02:26] <mhz> highvoltage: ie. how much do you usually take on making your own livecd from scratch and what implements you used
[02:26] <highvoltage> mhz: seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo?
[02:26] <jelkner> anyone here who could help fix a broken idle?
[02:27] <highvoltage> mhz: they were small ones, mostly for my own education. the one i worked hardest at was for a generic gnu/linux installer i want to finish one day.
[02:27] <highvoltage> jelkner: i'm not very good with cars, but i can try?
[02:27] <jelkner> lol, great!
[02:27] <jelkner> a bit of background
[02:28] <jelkner> idle will not start on this system
[02:28] <mhz> jelkner: hi there, let's try
[02:28] <jelkner> it works on the newer edubuntu systems i've setup
[02:28] <jelkner> but this one was a prerelease that has been upgraded
[02:28] <mhz> highvoltage: and in average, how many hours?
[02:28] <jelkner> i've tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but no luck
[02:28] <jelkner> here is the error message:
[02:28] <neurogeek> mhz, yes.. we'll be there talking about Cuaima and about the Venezuelan linux distro :)
[02:28] <highvoltage> i think you could customise and ubuntu livecd in a day or two, if you have the time.
[02:29] <jelkner> jelkner@edubuntu:~$ idle
[02:29] <jelkner> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:29] <jelkner>   File "/usr/bin/idle", line 5, in ?
[02:29] <jelkner>     main()
[02:29] <jelkner>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/idlelib/PyShell.py", line 1350, in main
[02:29] <jelkner>     root = Tk(className="Idle")
[02:29] <neurogeek> mhz, are you going??
[02:29] <jelkner>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1569, in __init__
[02:29] <jelkner>     self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use)
[02:29] <jelkner> _tkinter.TclError: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black"
[02:29] <highvoltage> mhz: i would also try to get in contact with the ubuntu guys who put together the livecd, perhaps they have some scripts that will help you get it down to just a few hours.
[02:30] <highvoltage> jelkner: how did you install idle? apt-get install idle?
[02:30] <mhz> neurogeek: I have no money to yet, but YES! I'd love to go and talk about many stuff, esp. our intent to do the Inst. Tecnologias Libres para L.A.
[02:30] <jelkner> yup
[02:30] <jelkner> and when i removed it, it did --purge
[02:31] <highvoltage> i'm just installing idle too... just a moment...
[02:31] <jelkner> yours will probably work
[02:31] <jelkner> i've only had this problem in this system
[02:31] <mhz> jelkner: sorry, I can't install idle right now so I can reproduce errors :(
[02:31] <mhz> oh
[02:31] <jelkner> which we setup at the end of august and then upgraded
[02:32] <mhz> ohh
[02:32] <mhz> jelkner: is idle a devel app?
[02:32] <jelkner> mhz: yes
[02:32] <neurogeek> mhz, great idea!! i hope you can go and we get a time to talk about stuff
[02:33] <highvoltage> jelkner: apt-get install python-tk
[02:33] <mhz> neurogeek: so far.. funds are tending to zero :)
[02:33] <jelkner> highvoltage: let me try...
[02:33] <highvoltage> that *might* help. as far as i can deduce it looks like you don't have that installed.
[02:33] <neurogeek> mhz, oopps!!
[02:34] <highvoltage> jelkner: no, seems i'm wrong, ignore me :)
[02:34] <mhz> neurogeek: however, I can get to convince one of the institutions here to support us, maybe I can get there
[02:34] <highvoltage> i think that might be one for #ubuntu
[02:34] <highvoltage> or the lists
[02:34] <jelkner> highvoltage: no change
[02:34] <mhz> jelkner: have you installed python-dev ?
[02:34] <jelkner> hold on...
[02:34] <neurogeek> mhz, good luck.. i do hope so!!
[02:35] <mhz> neurogeek: thx
[02:35] <mhz> me too
[02:36] <jelkner> mhz: it shouldn't matter, i installed idle through apt
[02:36] <jelkner> so there shouldn't be missing dependencies
[02:36] <jelkner> i would file a bug report
[02:36] <jelkner> only it is not a general problem
[02:36] <jelkner> a new edubuntu install won't have it
[02:37] <jelkner> but this was an august prerelease that has been upgraded
[02:37] <zakame> jelkner: do you have python2.4-tk installed?
[02:37] <jelkner> zakame: yes, idle depends on it
[02:38] <zakame> jelkner: can you apt-get --reinstall install python2.4-tk and try idle again?
[02:39] <jelkner> zakame: i did that, i even uninstalled idle, python2.4-tk and reinstalled both
[02:39] <jelkner> same problem
[02:41] <mhz> jelkner: weired that problem indeed is :)
[02:42] <zakame> how about updating {tcl,tk}8.4?
[02:42] <jelkner> mhz: i'm going to uninstall all python and tk related stuff that won't break other things
[02:43] <jelkner> then i'll try reinstalling idle
[02:43] <jelkner> let me see how that goes
[02:43] <mhz> jelkner: are you using AMD, x86 or PPC?
[02:44] <jelkner> mhz: x86
[02:44] <jelkner> dual xeon
[02:45] <mhz> ok
[02:45] <mhz> jelkner: tried #python ?
[02:46] <mhz> jelkner: neurogeek manages python very well (IIRC he's a developer on python)
[02:46] <mhz> neurogeek: any ideas with jelkner's issue?
[02:47] <neurogeek> mhz, let me read to see i can be of any help
[02:49] <neurogeek> jelkner, what have you installed so far and what ubuntu version are you running?
[02:50] <mhz> highvoltage: thx
[02:57] <highvoltage> ok, catch you guys a bit later.
[02:57] <highvoltage> bye!
[03:55] <jelkner> any python hackers here at the moment?
[03:56] <jelkner> i'm trying to follow this traceback that is preventing idle from running
[03:56] <jelkner> i've tried uninstalling *all* python packages i could, including idle an tk, but after reinstalling idle, the problem persists
[03:58] <zakame> well, dump idle, use another editor instead :p
[03:58] <neurogeek> jelkner, tell me
[03:59] <neurogeek> jelkner, whats the error??
[03:59] <jelkner> jelkner@edubuntu:~$ idle
[03:59] <jelkner> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:59] <jelkner>   File "/usr/bin/idle", line 5, in ?
[03:59] <jelkner>     main()
[03:59] <jelkner>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/idlelib/PyShell.py", line 1350, in main
[03:59] <jelkner>     root = Tk(className="Idle")
[03:59] <jelkner>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1569, in __init__
[03:59] <jelkner>     self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use)
[03:59] <jelkner> _tkinter.TclError: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black"
[04:00] <jelkner> not much in /usr/bin/idle
[04:00] <jelkner> i don't know where "Black" is coming from
[04:01] <jelkner> so the error is actually coming from tk, yes?
[04:01] <neurogeek> yes
[04:01] <neurogeek> thats the main problem.. 
[04:01] <neurogeek> what version of TK are you using??
[04:03] <vzl> better.
[04:03] <jelkner> neurogeek:  tk8.4 
[04:04] <jelkner> neurogeek: here is the strange part, on an fresh edubuntu install, this problem does not occur
[04:04] <jelkner> this system was an august prerelease install that was updated
[04:05] <jelkner> so there is something that wasn't removed during the upgrades that is causing the problem
[04:05] <jelkner> i've tried uninstalling and reinstalling tk8.4 several times
[04:05] <jelkner> but i can't get rid of the problem
[04:08] <Yagisan> G'day All
[04:09] <zakame> heya Yagisan 
[04:09] <neurogeek> jelkner, lets see.. it shouldn't matter because you are using the same packages
[04:10] <neurogeek> jelkner, sounds you are still missing some deps
[04:11] <Yagisan> So whats up ? I had a rather nice 3 day weekend, which was finished off with terrorist raids a few suburbs away =-O
[04:12] <neurogeek> jelkner, or your libraries are way too wrong
[04:14] <jelkner> neurogeek: so, what can i do?
[04:15] <bluefrog-10>  hi folks, is that ok if I publish an (U/Edu)buntu management script on edubuntu wiki under the following license? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5 
[04:15] <jelkner> i could bite the bullet, and reinstall edubuntu
[04:15] <neurogeek> not yet.. lets see if we cabn work it out
[04:15] <jelkner> moving home directories and getting the info i need from /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow
[04:16] <jelkner> yes, i would rather not have to reinstall
[04:16] <neurogeek> jelkner, did you apt-get update??
[04:16] <jelkner> yes
[04:16] <jelkner> many, many time, since august
[04:16] <neurogeek> jelkner, Ok
[04:16] <jelkner> s/times/time
[04:16] <neurogeek> i would do this then.. i would download tk source code and idel source code to see if it works... 
[04:17] <jelkner> hmm... but that would mean i still have a broken tk on the system
[04:18] <jelkner> which will probably cause other problems in the future
[04:19] <Yagisan> bluefrog-10: IIRC the wiki already is all covered by http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
[04:19] <jelkner> i'm open to trying to get rid of the current tk in a more complete way (did apt-get remove tk8.4 --purge still leave artifacts that are causing this?)
[04:19] <jelkner> but i would prefer to reinstall then to try messing around with source installs
[04:20] <Yagisan> hmm, that reminds me, I need to ask mhz about restoring authorship credits on the wiki
[04:21] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, what do you mean restore?
[04:22] <Burgundavia> bluefrog-10, the wiki is currently under an ambigous license, but is most likely the doc team ones. They are GFDL and CC-by-sa 2.0
[04:24] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: Simply, I wrote a document with my authorship, added stuff from another author that privately mailed me, edited it and fixed some mistakes
[04:24] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: and stuck it on the wiki, while cleaning up the formating, mhz removed the authorship in favour of a community doc
[04:25] <neurogeek> jelkner, Ok.. my thoughts were to compile/install tk and idle in a non-standard dir so you could test if thet problems remained in your packages
[04:25] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, hmm...
[04:25] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: I wish to speak to him first, then revert the removals (and keep the cleanups)
[04:25] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, if you mean a page that lists what you have written, your Homepages is great for that
[04:26] <Burgundavia> any other place is not good
[04:26] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: No, check history on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[04:26] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, we don't put any credits on the wiki
[04:27] <Burgundavia> so I would have removed them as well
[04:27] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: hmm, can you point me to policy on that
[04:27] <Burgundavia> hmm, don't know if we ever wrote it down
[04:28] <Burgundavia> likely the style guide might mention it
[04:28] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: I never saw it anywhere, and I would have taken it into consideration
[04:29] <Burgundavia> the pratical reason we don't do it that a lot of docs have a number of authors
[04:29] <Burgundavia> plus we avoid the whole "thats my doc" thing
[04:30] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: Then you have a bad license for the docs.
[04:31] <Burgundavia> why do you say?
[04:31] <Burgundavia> the attribution part of CC and the GFDL?
[04:31] <Burgundavia> it is there, look in the history
[04:31] <Burgundavia> the license doesn't say you have to identify in the main doc who wrote what, you just have to be able to tell
[04:32] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: the attribution part can cause confusion. confusion is bad
[04:32] <Burgundavia> regardless, those are the licenses we release it under
[04:32] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: I'd rather had been commented out then deleted
[04:32] <Burgundavia> that just means that editors get to read it, yay
[04:33] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, I understand where you are coming from but I have to say I don't agree with you
[04:33] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: That's fine. I just want to discuss the whys, and get it into a formal policy
[04:34] <Burgundavia> sure, join #ubuntu-dco
[04:34] <Burgundavia> doc
[04:34] <Burgundavia> better actually is to write an email to the ubuntu-doc list
[04:34] <Burgundavia> because I am about to leave for work, so will not able to continue this
[04:34] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: because, under my understanding of the license, it was broken by deleting the authorship creditsm without substantial changes in content
[04:35] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: 2:30am here, I'll be in bed soon
[04:35] <Burgundavia> fire that email and we can talk
[04:35] <jelkner> neurogeek: thanks for your help... gotta run...
[05:27] <bluefrog-10> Burgundavia, Yagisan, y for your replys, sry was at school to get my kid...
[05:54] <JaneW> hi all
[05:55] <bluefrog-10> hi
[05:55] <bluefrog-10> have a question for you regarding document licensing on edubuntu wiki if you have time
[05:57] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, sry the previous sentence is directed to you :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> bluefrog-10: try to email the list too
[05:58] <bluefrog-10> !list
[05:58] <bluefrog-10> edoo list
[05:58] <edoo> bluefrog-10: huh?
[05:59] <JaneW> bluefrog-10: yes
[05:59] <bluefrog-10> so far doc on edubuntu are under by-sa/2.5
[05:59] <bluefrog-10> what if i want to publish something under by-nc-sa/2.5?
[06:04] <JaneW> bluefrog-10: are you wanting to publish your content on our wiki under by-nc-sa/2.5?
[06:05] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, I'd like to, yes
[06:05] <JaneW> bluefrog-10:  why would you not want to use  by-sa/2.5?
[06:06] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, selfishness I presume :), I explain myself...
[06:07] <bluefrog-10> I am currently unemployed and spending an awful lot of time on that script of mine (I am no programmer to start with but doing my best) and I don't like the idea of someone just taking the script as it is and publishing it in paper for example...
[06:08] <JaneW> bluefrog-10: script?
[06:10] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, bash script with menus to ease the installation and management of various programs targeting IT guys and non IT people (teachers...)
[06:11] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, programs such as Samba-ldap, changing  skeletons depending of grooup membership and so on...
[06:13] <JaneW> bluefrog-10: we are not actually comfortable with the nc license, and make a point of making all of our content available via GPL and  cc-sa/2.5
[06:13] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, or maybe I can just create a page with a link to my website or would that be considered as being impolite/misconduct?
[06:14] <JaneW> bluefrog-10: I would suggest that a good way to handle this would be for you to publish your script (or whathaveyou) on your own site and we can link to it from our wiki.
[06:14] <JaneW> snap :)
[06:14] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, ok :)
[06:14] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, ty for answering
[06:15] <JaneW> np
[06:18] <bluefrog-10> JaneW, sry what' the cc-sa for, I don't seem to find it on creative commons page
[08:09] <vmarks> hi~
[08:09] <vmarks> mysteriously, my edubuntu machine has stopped booting clients.
[08:09] <vmarks> yet dhcp is on
[08:11] <vmarks> any suggestions are welcome
[08:17] <neurogeek> vmarks, booting clients?? as in thin-clients??
[08:19] <vmarks> yes
[08:20] <vmarks> it's a two-nic server also doing thinclient NAT, and both nics are configured, and it worked only a few hours ago.
[08:22] <neurogeek> vmarks, did you check your ftfp server??
[08:22] <vmarks> no, I didn't.
[08:24] <vmarks> earlier I had some thinclients that could get DHCP but didn't find pxelinux.0 to be a valid image file.
[08:24] <vmarks> since then, I haven't had a thinclient that has worked in the past, working now
[08:25] <neurogeek> when you boot pxe.. you have to check three things.. DHCP server (dhcp conf), TFTP server and pxelinux.cfg files
[08:25] <neurogeek> its probably not finding the right configuration for booting up
[08:25] <vmarks> sure, but the client (known to work
[08:25] <vmarks> )
[08:26] <vmarks> doesn't even get a dhcp address
[08:26] <vmarks> yet dhcp is running.
[08:26] <bluefrog-10> get rid of the leases
[08:26] <vmarks> /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[08:26] <vmarks> stopping and restarting dhcpd hasn't helped.
[08:27] <neurogeek> vmarks, check your dhcp.conf file.. make sure everything is alright there
[08:27] <vmarks> looks correct.
[08:27] <bluefrog-10> don't have anything in the server log about dhcp?
[08:28] <neurogeek> check logs as bluefrog-10 suggests
[08:28] <vmarks> bah humbug.
[08:28] <vmarks> so much for placing this in the science lab this week.
[08:31] <vmarks> okay, the very bottom of the syslog says no free leases on DHCPDISCOVER.
[08:31] <vmarks> so, how to unlease those?
[08:31] <bluefrog-10> as for tftp, I assume that ltsp files are /var/lib/tftpboot/ (or something similar) and not in /tftpboot/lts. If this is the case delete the all dir /tftpboot/lts
[08:31] <vmarks> and, what setting to change in order to prevent this in the future?
[08:31] <bluefrog-10> rm dhcpd.leases
[08:32] <bluefrog-10> in dhcp.conf try to lower the lease release
[08:32] <bluefrog-10> after erasing dhcpd.leases you might have to restart dhcpd
[08:33] <vmarks> dhcp.conf or dhcpd.conf?
[08:33] <bluefrog-10> the one used by edubuntu, hang on having a look
[08:34] <bluefrog-10> must be /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[08:34] <vmarks> I see no mention of leases, only the range.
[08:35] <bluefrog-10> add some
[08:35] <vmarks> 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250
[08:35] <bluefrog-10> default-lease-time 600;
[08:35] <bluefrog-10> max-lease-time 7200;
[08:35] <bluefrog-10> and see what it does with that
[08:35] <bluefrog-10> if still not good, lower them
[08:37] <vmarks> those belong inside the { } with all the other options?
[08:37] <vmarks> and they don't need to be prefaced by the word 'options' ?
[08:42] <bluefrog-10> add them at the beginning of the file
[08:42] <bluefrog-10> underneath authoritative;
[08:44] <vmarks> inside or outside the { }?
[08:44] <bluefrog-10> outside just underneath authoritative;
[08:45] <bluefrog-10> and don't forget to erase  the .leases file
[08:52] <vmarks> thank you
[08:52] <vmarks> it's working better now since the leases have been deleted.
[08:52] <bluefrog-10> sur
[08:52] <vmarks> hopefully adding those lines will help too
[08:53] <vmarks> what could be wrong that some old clients using etherboot wouldn't like the pxelinux.0?
[08:53] <bluefrog-10> if your clients are booting very often you may have to lower the release time
[08:54] <bluefrog-10> not sure if the pxelinux.0 is the file needed to boot ehterboot client
[08:55] <bluefrog-10> in my mind shouold be more a vmlinuz file but I don't know how ogra made his stuff regarding that
[08:56] <bluefrog-10> ogra's the man for you on that one I think 
[08:56] <vmarks> thank you
[08:56] <bluefrog-10> u're welcome
[08:57] <vmarks> that's one step I have to have in place- there are various compaqs and dells in the science lab all with etherboot on them
[08:57] <vmarks> I'd like to reuse them since they've booted k12ltsp in the past without issue
[08:58] <vmarks> on ancient fedore core1
[08:58] <vmarks> (shudder)
[08:58] <bluefrog-10> hang on got something for you
[08:59] <bluefrog-10> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[08:59] <vmarks> I wonder if there's a way to have both working, pxe and non?
[08:59] <bluefrog-10> sure no problem
[09:01] <bluefrog-10> after a quick look at the link i sent u, it seems that both are using same pxelinux.0 file
[09:03] <bluefrog-10> certainly because of the PXELOADER_KEEP_ALL option used to generate the boot floppy
[09:03] <bluefrog-10> as for K12 i think u're out of luck
[09:04] <bluefrog-10> cause K12 is keeping 2 different files. one for pxe the other one for etherboot
[09:04] <bluefrog-10> I think...
[09:06] <bluefrog-10> well apparently there is a vmlinuz file in /var/lib/tftpboot
[09:06] <bluefrog-10> so i guess you should try your K12 floppies
[09:06] <bluefrog-10> you will have to add some stuff in your dhcpd.conf though
[09:08] <bluefrog-10> still with me vmarks ?
[09:13] <vincenzio> vmarks is going to have to pick this up tomorrow
[09:13] <vincenzio> thanks again bluefrog-10
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[11:09] <cafuego_> I get "Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory" (default edubuntu install). /root/dev does indeed not exist. Am I missing some kernel parameter perhaps?
[11:12] <cafuego_> ... and the NFS server never gets as much as a single mount request.