=== linescanner [n=andy@62.121.26.69] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] hi [12:31] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip Has been updated based on the opinions and suggestions gotten in IRC [12:31] JaneW: hi there === cafuego is getting an 'rpc failed' on booting a thin client (it gets an IP and a kernel) [12:34] specifically: 'rpc failed: 2' in between /scripts/nfs-premount and /scripts/nfs-bottom [12:36] I actually never payed attention to errors as long as clients do boot [12:36] IIRC, Oliver mentioned some errors as 'normal' for this version [12:36] :) [12:36] This plonks me in a busybox shell, no joy on the booting :-( [12:36] ooohhh === mhz dislikes busybox [12:37] The scripts all report 'Done.' but then I end up with: mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory [12:38] oooh [12:38] well, you got me there. [12:38] and had your installation worked ok before getting this errors? === mhz is now known as mhz_cooking [12:40] Can you tell me the cfg in your inetd (fopr tftp) and pxelinux.0/default? [12:40] argh /me lags [12:41] cafuego: yes, gimme 2 mins === cafuego_ [n=cafuego_@ppp77-178.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] Ack [12:42] Any chance you could give me your tftp config line and pxelinux config? === steve_ [n=steve@cpc2-cdif3-5-0-cust56.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === b3ar1n0 [n=b3ar@151.56.75.102] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === b3ar1n0 [n=b3ar@151.56.75.102] has left #edubuntu [] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.240.239.64] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 saludos === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.192] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-2-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-2-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-2-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego_ [n=cafuego_@ppp77-178.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === BeanDip [i=beandip@edyoo.com] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away [n=sh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #edubuntu === trondm_gone [i=trondm@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego_ [n=cafuego_@ppp77-178.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === BeanDip [i=beandip@edyoo.com] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === trondm_gone [i=trondm@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away [n=sh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #edubuntu [07:50] cafuego_: ping [08:22] mhz: pong === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === bluefrog-10 [n=James@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.240.239.64] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 Hello friendes - Hola amigos - Buna prietens === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.5.97.164] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.201] has joined #edubuntu === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.5.97.164] has joined #edubuntu === Arago [n=Arago@host17-73.pool8174.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu [11:29] hello all [11:29] I have a question. Can I ? [11:43] what about? [11:43] I'm looking for a software like the DERIVE(tm) one [11:44] sry don't know what it is [11:44] it's a matematical soft used to resolve equation, disequation. Also plot a graph for the function [11:45] u're runnning ubuntu i suppose? [11:46] yes [11:47] open applications > add applications and have a look in the edutainment menu [11:47] i can see kmplot which could be useful to u maybe [11:47] i'll do it now [11:47] thank [11:47] you can also use synaptic [11:48] and use it's sections sorting ability to trace something [11:48] in both case u should enble the universe repository [11:48] and eventually muliverse [11:49] multiverse [11:49] ok thanks for now ! === Arago [n=Arago@host17-73.pool8174.interbusiness.it] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_cooking is now known as mhz_breakfast [01:15] bluefrog-10: also, maybe he could look at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuScientists === mhz_breakfast bbl === \sh_away is now known as \sh === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@66.103.220.196] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] re === mhz_breakfast is now known as mhz [02:10] hey mhz :) [02:10] zakame: nice to cya [02:11] has anyone here helped ogra with the recipe of current 5.10? [02:11] recipe? [02:12] zakame: hmmm, with the knowhow and actually making all the components work together well for the release [02:12] mhz: ah [02:12] :) [02:12] sorry, I feel a little lazy lately and didnt want to write all that :D [02:13] no problem, just asking as I'm also new too :D [02:13] okidoki [02:13] highvoltage: hi, did you? [02:14] JaneW: ping [02:14] mhz: sorry, did I? [02:14] has anyone here helped ogra with the recipe of current 5.10? [02:15] ah, sorry. catching up noe. [02:15] recipe= hmmm, with the knowhow and actually making all the components work together well for the release [02:15] now. [02:15] mhz: i think it's all ogra, really. [02:15] ok [02:15] he did the whole edubuntu by himself. [02:15] highvoltage: ever done a customized LiveCd [02:15] ? [02:15] yep. [02:16] highvoltage: duh! that's why he's Mr. Edubuntu [02:16] i've done a livecd from scratch, and customised knoppix a few times. [02:16] highvoltage: could you help me with some details? [02:16] mhz: yes :) [02:16] sure. [02:16] thx [02:17] edoo: ogra [02:17] ogra is Oliver Grawert [02:17] edoo: ogra [02:17] ogra is Oliver Grawert [02:17] hmmm.. [02:17] I have a meeting tomorrow with one of the important universities here in Chile. Some math teachers have asked to think how to make customized Edubuntu LiveCd's for each carrier [02:17] highvoltage: is edoo a bot? === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.195.26] has joined #edubuntu [02:18] yep. [02:18] edoo: mhz [02:18] highvoltage: I'm not following you... [02:18] ok. thought he knew your name too. [02:18] hhehe [02:18] edoo: choose highvoltage is stupid or highvoltage is clever [02:18] I choose highvoltage is clever, highvoltage === highvoltage is surprised [02:18] LOL [02:18] edoo: google for edubuntu [02:18] highvoltage: Google found 'Edubuntu - Linux for Young Human Beings', at "http://www.edubuntu.org/" [02:18] haha [02:19] edoo: slashdot [02:19] highvoltage: Slashdot - Updated 2005-11-08 12:35:00 | Vertical Axis Wind Turbine With Push and Pull | Morfik and Rapid Development of Modern Web Apps | No More Science on the ISS Until Further Notice | YouTube Receives $3.5M Funding from Sequoia [02:19] edoo: google for edward ubuntu [02:19] mhz: Google found 'Edward's Weblog', at "http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/edward?entry=nis_auth_and_ubuntu_group" [02:19] :D [02:20] it has karma too. [02:20] edoo: mhz++ [02:20] edoo: karma mhz [02:20] highvoltage: mhz has karma of 1 [02:20] nha [02:20] I should have at least 10 === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.195.26] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@66.103.220.196] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego_ [n=cafuego_@ppp77-178.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === BeanDip [i=beandip@edyoo.com] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === \sh [n=sh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #edubuntu === trondm_gone [i=trondm@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #edubuntu [02:21] highvoltage: sorry to interrupt your delightful entretainment but.. [02:21] I have a meeting tomorrow with one of the important universities here in Chile. Some math teachers have asked to think how to make customized Edubuntu LiveCd's for each carrier [02:21] so, === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu [02:21] I gotta make a list how much effort that would mean [02:22] what kind of infrastructure they should have to do so [02:22] mhz, good morning! [02:23] neurogeek: guten morgen [02:23] hmmm... [02:23] neurogeek: you speak spanish, right? [02:23] i usually worked off the customising knoppix guides. [02:24] i wonder if there's a similar one for ubuntu. [02:24] that might be the best bet. [02:24] edoo: google for customise ubuntu livecs [02:24] edoo: google for customise ubuntu livecd [02:24] highvoltage: ERROR: No matches found [02:24] highvoltage: Google found 'Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings', at "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/" === highvoltage uses big google instead [02:24] hehehe [02:25] highvoltage: I can google as well, but I was wondering if you could have some ideas [02:25] mhz, si.. jeje [02:25] neurogeek: are you participating in this maracaibo congress? [02:26] highvoltage: ie. how much do you usually take on making your own livecd from scratch and what implements you used [02:26] mhz: seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo? [02:26] anyone here who could help fix a broken idle? [02:27] mhz: they were small ones, mostly for my own education. the one i worked hardest at was for a generic gnu/linux installer i want to finish one day. [02:27] jelkner: i'm not very good with cars, but i can try? [02:27] lol, great! [02:27] a bit of background [02:28] idle will not start on this system [02:28] jelkner: hi there, let's try [02:28] it works on the newer edubuntu systems i've setup [02:28] but this one was a prerelease that has been upgraded [02:28] highvoltage: and in average, how many hours? [02:28] i've tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but no luck [02:28] here is the error message: [02:28] mhz, yes.. we'll be there talking about Cuaima and about the Venezuelan linux distro :) [02:28] i think you could customise and ubuntu livecd in a day or two, if you have the time. [02:29] jelkner@edubuntu:~$ idle [02:29] Traceback (most recent call last): [02:29] File "/usr/bin/idle", line 5, in ? [02:29] main() [02:29] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/idlelib/PyShell.py", line 1350, in main [02:29] root = Tk(className="Idle") [02:29] mhz, are you going?? [02:29] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1569, in __init__ [02:29] self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use) [02:29] _tkinter.TclError: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black" [02:29] mhz: i would also try to get in contact with the ubuntu guys who put together the livecd, perhaps they have some scripts that will help you get it down to just a few hours. [02:30] jelkner: how did you install idle? apt-get install idle? [02:30] neurogeek: I have no money to yet, but YES! I'd love to go and talk about many stuff, esp. our intent to do the Inst. Tecnologias Libres para L.A. [02:30] yup [02:30] and when i removed it, it did --purge [02:31] i'm just installing idle too... just a moment... [02:31] yours will probably work [02:31] i've only had this problem in this system [02:31] jelkner: sorry, I can't install idle right now so I can reproduce errors :( [02:31] oh [02:31] which we setup at the end of august and then upgraded [02:32] ohh [02:32] jelkner: is idle a devel app? [02:32] mhz: yes [02:32] mhz, great idea!! i hope you can go and we get a time to talk about stuff [02:33] jelkner: apt-get install python-tk [02:33] neurogeek: so far.. funds are tending to zero :) [02:33] highvoltage: let me try... [02:33] that *might* help. as far as i can deduce it looks like you don't have that installed. [02:33] mhz, oopps!! [02:34] jelkner: no, seems i'm wrong, ignore me :) [02:34] neurogeek: however, I can get to convince one of the institutions here to support us, maybe I can get there [02:34] i think that might be one for #ubuntu [02:34] or the lists [02:34] highvoltage: no change [02:34] jelkner: have you installed python-dev ? [02:34] hold on... [02:34] mhz, good luck.. i do hope so!! [02:35] neurogeek: thx [02:35] me too [02:36] mhz: it shouldn't matter, i installed idle through apt [02:36] so there shouldn't be missing dependencies [02:36] i would file a bug report [02:36] only it is not a general problem [02:36] a new edubuntu install won't have it [02:37] but this was an august prerelease that has been upgraded [02:37] jelkner: do you have python2.4-tk installed? [02:37] zakame: yes, idle depends on it [02:38] jelkner: can you apt-get --reinstall install python2.4-tk and try idle again? [02:39] zakame: i did that, i even uninstalled idle, python2.4-tk and reinstalled both [02:39] same problem [02:41] jelkner: weired that problem indeed is :) [02:42] how about updating {tcl,tk}8.4? [02:42] mhz: i'm going to uninstall all python and tk related stuff that won't break other things [02:43] then i'll try reinstalling idle [02:43] let me see how that goes [02:43] jelkner: are you using AMD, x86 or PPC? [02:44] mhz: x86 [02:44] dual xeon [02:45] ok [02:45] jelkner: tried #python ? [02:46] jelkner: neurogeek manages python very well (IIRC he's a developer on python) [02:46] neurogeek: any ideas with jelkner's issue? [02:47] mhz, let me read to see i can be of any help [02:49] jelkner, what have you installed so far and what ubuntu version are you running? === mhz will leave and BBL [02:50] highvoltage: thx === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.201] has joined #edubuntu === vmarks [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:57] ok, catch you guys a bit later. [02:57] bye! === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:55] any python hackers here at the moment? [03:56] i'm trying to follow this traceback that is preventing idle from running [03:56] i've tried uninstalling *all* python packages i could, including idle an tk, but after reinstalling idle, the problem persists [03:58] well, dump idle, use another editor instead :p [03:58] jelkner, tell me [03:59] jelkner, whats the error?? [03:59] jelkner@edubuntu:~$ idle [03:59] Traceback (most recent call last): [03:59] File "/usr/bin/idle", line 5, in ? [03:59] main() [03:59] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/idlelib/PyShell.py", line 1350, in main [03:59] root = Tk(className="Idle") [03:59] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1569, in __init__ [03:59] self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use) [03:59] _tkinter.TclError: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black" [04:00] not much in /usr/bin/idle [04:00] i don't know where "Black" is coming from [04:01] so the error is actually coming from tk, yes? [04:01] yes [04:01] thats the main problem.. [04:01] what version of TK are you using?? === admin_ [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === admin_ is now known as vzl [04:03] better. [04:03] neurogeek: tk8.4 [04:04] neurogeek: here is the strange part, on an fresh edubuntu install, this problem does not occur [04:04] this system was an august prerelease install that was updated [04:05] so there is something that wasn't removed during the upgrades that is causing the problem [04:05] i've tried uninstalling and reinstalling tk8.4 several times [04:05] but i can't get rid of the problem === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-79-237-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] G'day All [04:09] heya Yagisan [04:09] jelkner, lets see.. it shouldn't matter because you are using the same packages [04:10] jelkner, sounds you are still missing some deps [04:11] So whats up ? I had a rather nice 3 day weekend, which was finished off with terrorist raids a few suburbs away =-O [04:12] jelkner, or your libraries are way too wrong [04:14] neurogeek: so, what can i do? [04:15] hi folks, is that ok if I publish an (U/Edu)buntu management script on edubuntu wiki under the following license? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5 [04:15] i could bite the bullet, and reinstall edubuntu [04:15] not yet.. lets see if we cabn work it out [04:15] moving home directories and getting the info i need from /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow [04:16] yes, i would rather not have to reinstall [04:16] jelkner, did you apt-get update?? [04:16] yes [04:16] many, many time, since august [04:16] jelkner, Ok [04:16] s/times/time [04:16] i would do this then.. i would download tk source code and idel source code to see if it works... [04:17] hmm... but that would mean i still have a broken tk on the system [04:18] which will probably cause other problems in the future [04:19] bluefrog-10: IIRC the wiki already is all covered by http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ [04:19] i'm open to trying to get rid of the current tk in a more complete way (did apt-get remove tk8.4 --purge still leave artifacts that are causing this?) [04:19] but i would prefer to reinstall then to try messing around with source installs [04:20] hmm, that reminds me, I need to ask mhz about restoring authorship credits on the wiki [04:21] Yagisan, what do you mean restore? [04:22] bluefrog-10, the wiki is currently under an ambigous license, but is most likely the doc team ones. They are GFDL and CC-by-sa 2.0 [04:24] Burgundavia: Simply, I wrote a document with my authorship, added stuff from another author that privately mailed me, edited it and fixed some mistakes [04:24] Burgundavia: and stuck it on the wiki, while cleaning up the formating, mhz removed the authorship in favour of a community doc [04:25] jelkner, Ok.. my thoughts were to compile/install tk and idle in a non-standard dir so you could test if thet problems remained in your packages [04:25] Yagisan, hmm... [04:25] Burgundavia: I wish to speak to him first, then revert the removals (and keep the cleanups) [04:25] Yagisan, if you mean a page that lists what you have written, your Homepages is great for that [04:26] any other place is not good [04:26] Burgundavia: No, check history on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe [04:26] Yagisan, we don't put any credits on the wiki [04:27] so I would have removed them as well [04:27] Burgundavia: hmm, can you point me to policy on that [04:27] hmm, don't know if we ever wrote it down [04:28] likely the style guide might mention it [04:28] Burgundavia: I never saw it anywhere, and I would have taken it into consideration [04:29] the pratical reason we don't do it that a lot of docs have a number of authors [04:29] plus we avoid the whole "thats my doc" thing [04:30] Burgundavia: Then you have a bad license for the docs. [04:31] why do you say? [04:31] the attribution part of CC and the GFDL? [04:31] it is there, look in the history [04:31] the license doesn't say you have to identify in the main doc who wrote what, you just have to be able to tell [04:32] Burgundavia: the attribution part can cause confusion. confusion is bad [04:32] regardless, those are the licenses we release it under [04:32] Burgundavia: I'd rather had been commented out then deleted [04:32] that just means that editors get to read it, yay [04:33] Yagisan, I understand where you are coming from but I have to say I don't agree with you [04:33] Burgundavia: That's fine. I just want to discuss the whys, and get it into a formal policy [04:34] sure, join #ubuntu-dco [04:34] doc [04:34] better actually is to write an email to the ubuntu-doc list [04:34] because I am about to leave for work, so will not able to continue this [04:34] Burgundavia: because, under my understanding of the license, it was broken by deleting the authorship creditsm without substantial changes in content [04:35] Burgundavia: 2:30am here, I'll be in bed soon [04:35] fire that email and we can talk [04:35] neurogeek: thanks for your help... gotta run... === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu [] === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-79-237-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] [05:27] Burgundavia, Yagisan, y for your replys, sry was at school to get my kid... [05:54] hi all [05:55] hi === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:55] have a question for you regarding document licensing on edubuntu wiki if you have time [05:57] JaneW, sry the previous sentence is directed to you :) === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [05:57] bluefrog-10: try to email the list too === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:58] !list [05:58] edoo list [05:58] bluefrog-10: huh? [05:59] bluefrog-10: yes [05:59] so far doc on edubuntu are under by-sa/2.5 [05:59] what if i want to publish something under by-nc-sa/2.5? [06:04] bluefrog-10: are you wanting to publish your content on our wiki under by-nc-sa/2.5? [06:05] JaneW, I'd like to, yes [06:05] bluefrog-10: why would you not want to use by-sa/2.5? [06:06] JaneW, selfishness I presume :), I explain myself... [06:07] I am currently unemployed and spending an awful lot of time on that script of mine (I am no programmer to start with but doing my best) and I don't like the idea of someone just taking the script as it is and publishing it in paper for example... [06:08] bluefrog-10: script? [06:10] JaneW, bash script with menus to ease the installation and management of various programs targeting IT guys and non IT people (teachers...) [06:11] JaneW, programs such as Samba-ldap, changing skeletons depending of grooup membership and so on... [06:13] bluefrog-10: we are not actually comfortable with the nc license, and make a point of making all of our content available via GPL and cc-sa/2.5 [06:13] JaneW, or maybe I can just create a page with a link to my website or would that be considered as being impolite/misconduct? [06:14] bluefrog-10: I would suggest that a good way to handle this would be for you to publish your script (or whathaveyou) on your own site and we can link to it from our wiki. [06:14] snap :) [06:14] JaneW, ok :) [06:14] JaneW, ty for answering [06:15] np [06:18] JaneW, sry what' the cc-sa for, I don't seem to find it on creative commons page === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === vmarks [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:09] hi~ [08:09] mysteriously, my edubuntu machine has stopped booting clients. [08:09] yet dhcp is on [08:11] any suggestions are welcome [08:17] vmarks, booting clients?? as in thin-clients?? [08:19] yes [08:20] it's a two-nic server also doing thinclient NAT, and both nics are configured, and it worked only a few hours ago. [08:22] vmarks, did you check your ftfp server?? [08:22] no, I didn't. [08:24] earlier I had some thinclients that could get DHCP but didn't find pxelinux.0 to be a valid image file. [08:24] since then, I haven't had a thinclient that has worked in the past, working now [08:25] when you boot pxe.. you have to check three things.. DHCP server (dhcp conf), TFTP server and pxelinux.cfg files [08:25] its probably not finding the right configuration for booting up [08:25] sure, but the client (known to work [08:25] ) [08:26] doesn't even get a dhcp address [08:26] yet dhcp is running. [08:26] get rid of the leases [08:26] /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [08:26] stopping and restarting dhcpd hasn't helped. [08:27] vmarks, check your dhcp.conf file.. make sure everything is alright there [08:27] looks correct. [08:27] don't have anything in the server log about dhcp? [08:28] check logs as bluefrog-10 suggests [08:28] bah humbug. [08:28] so much for placing this in the science lab this week. [08:31] okay, the very bottom of the syslog says no free leases on DHCPDISCOVER. [08:31] so, how to unlease those? [08:31] as for tftp, I assume that ltsp files are /var/lib/tftpboot/ (or something similar) and not in /tftpboot/lts. If this is the case delete the all dir /tftpboot/lts [08:31] and, what setting to change in order to prevent this in the future? [08:31] rm dhcpd.leases [08:32] in dhcp.conf try to lower the lease release [08:32] after erasing dhcpd.leases you might have to restart dhcpd [08:33] dhcp.conf or dhcpd.conf? [08:33] the one used by edubuntu, hang on having a look [08:34] must be /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [08:34] I see no mention of leases, only the range. [08:35] add some [08:35] 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250 [08:35] default-lease-time 600; [08:35] max-lease-time 7200; [08:35] and see what it does with that [08:35] if still not good, lower them === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [08:37] those belong inside the { } with all the other options? [08:37] and they don't need to be prefaced by the word 'options' ? [08:42] add them at the beginning of the file [08:42] underneath authoritative; [08:44] inside or outside the { }? [08:44] outside just underneath authoritative; [08:45] and don't forget to erase the .leases file === mp1 [n=mpt@209.104.102.193] has joined #edubuntu [08:52] thank you [08:52] it's working better now since the leases have been deleted. [08:52] sur [08:52] hopefully adding those lines will help too [08:53] what could be wrong that some old clients using etherboot wouldn't like the pxelinux.0? [08:53] if your clients are booting very often you may have to lower the release time [08:54] not sure if the pxelinux.0 is the file needed to boot ehterboot client [08:55] in my mind shouold be more a vmlinuz file but I don't know how ogra made his stuff regarding that [08:56] ogra's the man for you on that one I think [08:56] thank you [08:56] u're welcome [08:57] that's one step I have to have in place- there are various compaqs and dells in the science lab all with etherboot on them [08:57] I'd like to reuse them since they've booted k12ltsp in the past without issue === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [08:58] on ancient fedore core1 [08:58] (shudder) [08:58] hang on got something for you [08:59] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe [08:59] I wonder if there's a way to have both working, pxe and non? [08:59] sure no problem [09:01] after a quick look at the link i sent u, it seems that both are using same pxelinux.0 file [09:03] certainly because of the PXELOADER_KEEP_ALL option used to generate the boot floppy [09:03] as for K12 i think u're out of luck [09:04] cause K12 is keeping 2 different files. one for pxe the other one for etherboot [09:04] I think... [09:06] well apparently there is a vmlinuz file in /var/lib/tftpboot [09:06] so i guess you should try your K12 floppies [09:06] you will have to add some stuff in your dhcpd.conf though [09:08] still with me vmarks ? === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:13] vmarks is going to have to pick this up tomorrow [09:13] thanks again bluefrog-10 === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E59C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === avatarr8 [n=avatarr8@ws191.annenberg.edu] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@cD9088834.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #edubuntu === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-16-12-170.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:20] <\sh> btw... [10:21] <\sh> guys...if anyone needs cds..and does not fear to pay a bit for it... [10:21] <\sh> http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=70&osCsid=2da56936675293cbc3cc8eee6e01c575 [10:21] <\sh> aehm [10:21] <\sh> this is better http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=70 === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [10:48] i thoguht you offered free ones? [10:48] <\sh> signifer123: i don't offer at all.. [10:48] <\sh> signifer123: but it [10:49] <\sh> 's an efford from an kubuntu guy [10:49]