LjLmanveru: but i think (though just think) linux can keep local time in the hw clock and still get the time right for all users12:02
zer0timeyeah, if it results in no change clock settings booting windows linux12:02
manveruLjL: yeah, of course it can12:02
manveruLjL: it's just not standard12:02
LjLzer0time: let me look it up12:03
zer0timeso what is the package12:03
LjLmanveru: well, it's standard enough for it to be an option in the setup... but i'm not quite sure how to change it post-install12:03
dennis_pwel kubuntu does ask during installation but it's a stupid misleading question.12:03
LjLzer0time: look, try editing /etc/default/rcS and changing the variable "UTC" to "yes"12:04
manveruLjL: i never got asked about it in the setup... only about my location12:04
LjLzer0time: (i would actually have thought "no", but that's what the site says... but if it's already to "yes", then set it to "no" ;)12:04
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LjLzer0time: this is from a Debian howto, so it might not really apply to Ubuntu, but i bet it does12:05
corincolecan anyone tell me how to find a freenode admin?12:05
LjLmanveru: hmm? perhaps i just remember this wrong, it's certainly there in debian12:05
zer0timeits set to yes already12:05
LjLzer0time: well, my guess is that the site i'm reading just got it the other way round... so, just set it to "no", i think12:05
manverucorincole: why do you need one?12:05
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zer0timewell, dont bother anymore, too late for me, need to rest, tomorrow wil be a hard day, thx anyway, for time an patience12:06
dennis_phwclock --localtime12:06
dennis_pthat's what you want12:06
corincolemanveru, i want to ask a few irc questions12:06
zer0timethx dennis_p 12:06
zer0timegood night to you all12:06
corincolesome of which are server specific, so only they would know12:06
manverucorincole: like?12:07
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manverucorincole: however, you should find everything on http://freenode.net/ since i really doubt you will find an admin that easy12:09
corincolewell, one u might know12:10
seezeryou'll find one, for sure                                                                                                                      12:10
corincolehow easy is it to set up an irc server on a linux pc?12:10
corincolei mean, LAMP was easy....12:10
seezerfreenode is a quite friendly network12:10
manveruircd is really easy to setup12:11
seezerbut thats not the question you need a freenode admin for, right?12:11
corincoleseezer, that was one12:11
manveruso let's get to the rest of the questions :)12:11
seezerok.. then it's to the admins for tonight and i can go to bed :)12:11
corincolewait a sec12:11
seezergood night12:11
corincoleseezer: night12:11
manverugn8 seezer12:12
kkathmannight seezer :)12:12
kkathmanhave a good one :)12:12
seezerif no long one ;)12:12
seezern8 kkathman 12:12
corincolewhich package would i need to download from synaptic?12:12
manverucorincole: there are a couple of servers out there12:12
kkathmancorincole for apache/php/mysql?12:13
manveruwhat do you need it for?12:13
kkathmanI personally like xampp12:13
corincolekkathman: no, for irc server12:13
kkathmanits easy, and foolproof12:13
corincolemanveru: just want to test a few things12:13
kkathmanxampp btw is the improved lampp12:13
corincolewhat does it stand for?12:13
corincoleand anyone, how do i get an irc server?12:14
kkathmanI think you need ircd for an irc server12:14
corincolewhich one12:14
manverui guess the ircu should be good enough12:14
kkathmanxampp - you can google it...but its at apachefriends.org I think12:14
manveruit's a pretty standard one - with some security-features12:14
kkathmanircd-ircu then12:15
manveruxampp is for cross apache mysql php p? - for more platforms12:15
manveruit runs on windows, linux, osx...12:15
kkathmanxampp works under multiple platforms, yes12:15
kkathmanthats what I have installed12:16
kkathmanon my linux12:16
kkathmanits very nice, because its no-fuss12:16
manveruhmm, i used it for windows12:16
kkathmanjust install, run12:16
manverubecause the stuff was so hard to get configured on win12:16
kkathmanits a freakin breeze on linux12:17
manverubut in linux i use lighttpd, and install a postgresql-server12:17
kkathmanI didnt use it on windows12:17
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kkathmanwhatever xampp worked for me and it was amazingly easy12:17
kkathmanliterally, follow their steps on the web site - 3 or 4...and its done12:18
manveruhowever, i need to get some sleep now :)12:18
kkathmannight :)12:18
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corincolebbl, installing windows lol12:21
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mcscruffi just installed the latest KDE 3.5 beta 2 and i keep getting an arts sound engine problem when i recieve a noise through kopete12:26
_abbenormalany one know of a way to get 2 nic to play nice12:26
mcscruffDuring the previous startup, KNotify crashed while instantiating KNotify. Do you want to try again or disable aRts sound output?12:26
LjLmcscruff: on the known problems page there is something about arts, which needs to be downgraded12:26
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mcscruffcheers LjL i will take a look12:26
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mcscruffLjL i cant see it on there12:30
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LjLmcscruff: but, it's the first problem listed for beta2 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems12:32
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mcscruffi was reading the rls ones :( stupid me12:33
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dennis_pPff, fixing the clock to windows compatible was actually 'sudo base-config' and changing the silly utc/gmt question then abort making further making changes by using the 'esc' key12:35
LjLoh well12:35
Kejk_PLhave you noticed hight CPU time comsumption by Amarok 1.3.5 in Kubuntu?12:36
LjLi've noticed that amarok with gstreamer is slow as hell, especially switching songs12:37
dennis_pI hope the debian dos installation and its confusing questions get replaced by a graphical installer next kubuntu release.12:37
LjLdennis_p: i'm used to those question enough... i'd rather like an easier way to find out how to change settings later12:38
LjLdennis_p: base-config, i would never have thought of... but besides base-config, it'd be nice to have an easy way to know what to debconf to change stuff12:38
dennis_p'sudo base-config' :in konsole :-) 12:39
mcscruffhow do you downgrade something :S12:39
Kejk_PLLjL: with gstreamer sound is 'skipping' (like slideshow in 3D), with xine it takes 30 % of CPU. I have 2.5 Athlon12:39
LjLKejk_PL: i think i'm currently just using arts with amarok12:39
Kejk_PLEvent when song is paused!12:39
Kejk_PLarts doent' work :/12:39
Kejk_PLI'll try Debian version...12:40
LjLwell, i dunno, but i just hope the sound stuff will be fixed soon, cause its currently a bit of a mess12:40
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kkathmanKejk_PL: did you try using the xine engine?12:45
Kejk_PLLjL: Dmix should be enabled by default (or something like this). And removed all unnecesary OSS.12:45
kkathmangstreamer has has some issues12:45
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Kejk_PLkkathman: yes - it is taking 30 % of my Athlon 2.5+ :/12:46
Kejk_PLsometimes 50 %!12:46
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Kejk_PLto make thing funier, if it is stopped it is OK - so this is not amarok fault. If it is playing mp3 or if it is *paused* it takes so much CPU12:47
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yhagerAnyone knows what to do with the dreaded "couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:" in kmail?12:52
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storkurIs there any default root pass in kubuntu?01:08
Dasnipa`there is no root account as a matter of fact i believe01:09
Dasnipa`use 'sudo'01:09
dennis_pI like having no root account, its like on Mac OS X01:09
_abbenormalyup thats right been disabled01:10
_abbenormalim old linux takes some getting use too01:10
storkurso... if I want to change file like source.list   owner root?01:10
storkurwhat do I do?01:10
LjLsudo yourfavoriteeditor /etc/apt/sources.list01:11
storkuraha.... thanks01:11
LjLalso, there is stuff you can uncomment in .bashrc (or somesuch) to have autocompletion work even after typing "sudo"01:11
LjLi find that handy01:11
LjLyeah, it's the first-before-last paragraph in .bashrc01:12
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angeluscoi installed mono on my kubuntu but it doesn't work, somebody told me that it is like visual studio (microsoft)01:15
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_abbenormaldoes anyone here know of a way to make ku work with a wireless nic and a intel nic together01:16
Kejk_PL1.3.5 packages from kubuntu.org are broken!01:16
dennis_pbah, who cares for mono, try using ruby language in kdevelop instead01:17
Kejk_PLamarok packages01:17
HobbseeKejk_PL: how are they broken?01:17
Hobbseewhich version of kde are you using?01:17
LjLKejk_PL: i think it's more like gstreamer AND xine AND arts are broken ;)01:17
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Kejk_PLHobbsee: xine engine is using 20-50 % of CPU, gstreamer is skipping frames, arts doenst work01:18
Hobbseewhich version of kde?01:18
Kejk_PL1.3.1 works very well (from Breezy)01:18
Hobbseeno, of kde, not of amarok lol01:19
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Kejk_PLups, 1.3.1: arts engine still deosn't work, breezy + all updates01:19
Kejk_PLbut pofully xine is working good in amarok and kaffeine01:19
jsubl2well sco provides the laugh for the day01:20
Kejk_PLMaybe you know -how to change subtitle font in gstreamer engine in kaffeine?01:20
jsubl2i don't use gstreamer for anything that has a subtitle font sorry01:21
bur[n] erhow do you get kaffeine to use the xine engine?01:21
jsubl2sudo apt-get install kaffeine-xine01:21
bur[n] eroh... apt-get install kaffeine-xine :)01:22
bur[n] eryeah, just found it... i was searching for an option in kaffeine before01:22
Kejk_PLsh*t, 1.3.1 is taking event more CPU now :/01:22
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Kejk_PLamybe my config is broken01:22
bur[n] ermaybe kaffeine will takeover from totem for me now :)01:22
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jsubl2i am not a kaffeine fan.. so.. not much knowledge there01:22
Kejk_PLjsubl2: I am using xine too, but it crashes sometimes (especially in kaffein quit)01:23
jsubl2i apt-get mozilla-mplayer then compile kmplayer by hand01:23
Kejk_PLjsubl2: hehe, I'm using pure gmplayer ;)01:23
jsubl2pretty sure the kubuntuforums had a thread about this.01:23
Kejk_PLyep - for hoary01:24
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Kejk_PLwhat a pity that mplayer G2 (Generation 2) will never be written :(01:24
jsubl2how come01:25
Kejk_PLeven this mplayer is dying now :(01:25
jsubl2that will be a shame... mplayer is the best imho01:26
dennis_pwhy will it not be written? what's up with the devs then?01:26
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naliothdennis_p: have fun with it, it attracts bees01:28
Kejk_PLArpi (first developr and maintener) abandoned mplayer. he couldn't change that licence to LGPL (from GPL), so he said "Good bye"01:28
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Kejk_PLafter few month he started (alone) writting mplayer g2 (in fakt he started again). I was mentioned to be pluginable, as a libraly - simply complete media framework for Linux01:29
dennis_pToo bad, but I still like gpl anyway. Goodnight01:30
Kejk_PLbut in July was last post on mplayer-g2 mailing list01:32
Kejk_PLhe wanted change licence after few code steel to commercial projects (like KISS dvd players)01:32
Kejk_PLhave U received my last 4 messages about Arpi's history? I had connection trouble01:33
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Kejk_PLI was great fun compiling new 0.90pre* versions and reading Changelog. Now mplayer can't be improved - for example frame-to-frame seeking in mplayer can't be done :(01:36
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stbainand yes, your messages came through01:38
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jrattner1Does k3b have a plugin to convert mp3 to wav?01:42
Blissexjrattner1: I think so... But you need to install an MP3 library.01:44
stbain:( no ubotu01:45
jrattner1Blissex, alright thanks01:46
Blissexjrattner1: there is a page in the Wiki that describes how to get a library to play/convert MP3s01:47
stbainthreeeeeee cheeeeeeeers for nalioth01:48
jrattner1thanks nalioth 01:48
naliothalmost as good as a bot, i geuss01:48
stbainhttp://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ has ubotu's factoids according to bimberi01:52
kkathmannalioth is a bot, we just treat him better :)01:53
nalioththanks professor kkathman :)01:53
kkathmanwell we do :)01:53
LjLyou shouldn't mistreat bots01:53
kkathmanI am kidding.. nalioth is a fine and wise person01:54
kkathmanmuch smarter than the bots :)01:54
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Blissexkkathman: dont diss the bots -- when you are in the Matrix they will be the agents :-)01:59
stbainMiiiiiiisssssssssssster Anderssssson02:00
kkathmanI dont diss the bots at all :)02:04
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LjLis there any chance that some new packages from Debian will reach Ubuntu before the Dapper release?02:07
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LjLi'm thinking of qalculate-kde specifically (a slick calculator with integrated computer algebra system i'd tell anyone interested in calculators to try)02:08
naliothLjL: backports are always promising02:08
LjLnalioth: i guess there is still no estimate for when the backports repository will open, right? by the way, i suppose that if backports was up and running, packages like amarok 1.3.5 would be released there, and no in an ad-hoc repository, wouldn't they?02:09
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crimsunLjL: kubuntu.org is not ad hoc02:10
naliothLjL: any pkg that didnt make the breezy version freeze but are "ready" will most likely end up officially in 'backports'02:10
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LjLcrimsun: well perhaps ad-hoc wasn't the right word then, but still, it's not quite one of the "standard" reps is it02:11
crimsunit doesn't have the ubuntu.com domain, no02:11
LjLok, let me put it in another way02:12
LjLwhat is the kubuntu.org repository's official purpose and scope?02:12
crimsunthey are official updates that couldn't be included in the archive due to feature freeze, as nalioth implied02:13
LjLyeah but he also implied that's what backports is for (when it's ready)02:13
crimsunthe two are not mutually exclusive, and backports isn't ready02:14
LjLthey're not mutually exclusive, no, but IMHO it would be nicer to have *one* place for everything... not for "everything", i mean, one place for each logical set of packages02:15
LjLof course, if backports ain't ready, it ain't ready02:15
naliothLjL: give them time to generate some "backports", you'll find quite a few suprises in them when they arrive02:16
LjLnalioth: positive or negative? :)02:16
naliothLjL: that depends on YOU02:16
LjLyou mean, it depends on whether i find broken dependencies a positive or a negative thing? ;)02:17
naliothLjL: these backports are not the backports of the past02:17
naliothbackports was made an official ubuntu project late in hoarys reign, so there wouldn't be the 'broken depends' and "foreign depends" problems02:18
LjLwell, i don't even know about the backports of the past, i started with breezy ;-)02:18
LjLso, basically, hoary just stood frozen for (nearly) six months without any feature updates?02:18
naliothLjL: no, it had "unofficial backports" which had the problems mentioned above02:19
LjLi see02:19
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LjLwell, debian unstable/testing also sometimes gets mad at dependencies when upgrading... one lives with it, if it's reasonably going to be fixed in the next sync02:20
LjLactually, i should speak in the past tense, as i'm currently using debian stable and don't quite know what's going on with unstable02:20
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kkathmanLjL: how often is there a sync?02:25
LjLkkathman: well, i'm not sure, but daily or like that... i used to run aptitude dist-upgrade every day, and i got new packages every two days or so on average02:25
LjLkkathman: when using unstable or testing, your distribution basically changes all the time (though often not too noticeably)02:26
LjLkkathman: that's mostly why i initially didn't quite understand how Ubuntu worked, though i think i'm starting to get the grip on it now02:26
naliothLjL: ubuntu and debian are based on the same source, and the differences rapidly diverge from there02:27
LjLkkathman: stable, on the other hand, is (i think) like Ubuntu, i.e. it gets frozen and remains that way, except that it's got no (official) backports, and releases are much rarer02:27
LjLnalioth: yeah, but ubuntu also has a different way of managing and presenting updates02:28
naliothLjL: as i said, the differences diverge rapidly02:28
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LjLnalioth: this got me quite confused with Ubuntu's "updates", "backports" and all, at the beginning02:28
naliothLjL: the only "updates" you get are security updates02:29
naliothLjL: backport are for your use, if you choose to use them02:29
LjLnalioth: and minor not security-related bug fixes from breezy-updates, i think02:29
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fdelacruzgudmorning guys02:41
fdelacruzwhere can i find a counterpart of windows fonts02:41
naliothfdelacruz: install msttcorefonts02:42
nalioth!info msttcorefonts02:43
ubotumsttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 164 kB02:43
fdelacruznalioth can I try sudp apt-get install msttcorefonts02:44
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fdelacruzhi nalioth can post again the application for fonts02:45
naliothfdelacruz: msttcorefonts02:45
naliothfdelacruz: you'll have to enable universe and multiverse02:46
fdelacruzthanks again02:46
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fdelacruznalioth how can I enable universe and multiverse02:47
naliothubotu: tell fdelacruz about repos02:47
naliothfdelacruz: follow ubotu's instructions02:47
chironis there a "./kde/Autostart" to start applications for all users instead of just one?02:47
chironI'd like to start some xmodmap key settings on all the user accounts on this computer02:48
chironor would I have to put that in one of the runlevels?02:48
uboturumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently02:48
freeflyingwho can tell libkmime.so.2 included in which package02:48
chironcan I modify the "Mount Windows Shares Permanently" wiki page?02:49
crimsunfreeflying: search using http://packages.ubuntu.com/02:49
chironI'd like to add some useful information for adding guest samba shares02:50
chironmost windows shares are like that02:50
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stbainchiron: it's a wiki... have at it :)02:53
expressoi just installed kubuntu02:54
expressohow can i get the nvidia drivers?02:54
crimsunexpresso: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto02:54
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expressothanks crimsun02:55
bettseare there any sort of virual packages for installing all the components nessicary for develtopment? (gcc, automake, make, binutils, etc.)02:57
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naliothbettse: install "build-essential"02:58
bettsethank you nalioth 02:59
expressoi can't seem to get to root after an install, i don't recall kubuntu asking for a root pwd02:59
ubotumethinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo02:59
expressook, fine. i can't seem to find synaptic?03:00
expressobecause the docs for getting binary drivers for nvidia say to use synaptic03:01
expressoand these nvidia drivers (nv i assume) are very shaky03:01
crimsunexpresso: you can use Adept or aptitude or apt-get03:01
crimsunthere're all frontends for libapt03:02
naliothexpresso: use adept03:03
expressothanks nalioth 03:03
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samplesr nalioth03:13
naliothsample: ?03:13
samplesr this is fdelacruz, Im sorry my machine always disconnected to internet so i use this new machine now03:14
samplehow can I enable universal and multiverse in msttcorefonts03:14
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naliothubotu: tell sample about repos03:15
sampleand how can I install the mscorefonts in kubuntu? I try sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts03:15
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naliothsample: that should be sufficient03:16
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samplesr what is the counterpart of synaptic here in kubuntu?03:20
chironso is there a global KDE autostart folder that applies to all users?03:20
chironsample: adept03:20
samplek thanks 03:20
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samplesr nalioth im using kubuntu, is the additional repo that uboto send me is the same as the kubuntu?03:25
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naliothsample: both universe and multiverse are for ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu03:26
samplek sr thanks03:26
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naliothKaoticEvil: greetings to you, too03:29
KaoticEvilhey nalioth 03:31
KaoticEvilfreakin codec packs dont work o_o03:32
naliothKaoticEvil: which ones?03:33
KaoticEvilany of them lol.. i checked adept for every single codec i could find (for MPEG's) and installed them. still cant open any of my MPEG's.03:33
naliothKaoticEvil: /msg ubotu w32codecs03:34
KaoticEvilty :)03:34
KaoticEvildoh! *installs java*03:35
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samplesr nalioth msttcorefonts was succesfully instaled what will be the next step?03:36
naliothsample: you now can use them in your apps, if you choose03:37
KaoticEvili thought i installed java last nite? o.o03:37
naliothKaoticEvil: /msg ubotu java03:38
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KaoticEvilalready getting it ;)03:38
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sampleis tahoma available?03:38
KaoticEvilbut ty :)03:38
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naliothsample: open a konsole and type "apt-cache show msttcorefonts"03:39
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samplesr nalioth tahoma is not included in the list?03:40
azuron_hi nalioth 03:40
naliothsample: you'll have to find it somewhere else, then03:40
naliothazuron_: howdy03:40
azuron_nalioth: i guess i am more used to ubuntu's user interface. :-/03:40
sampleany idea where can I download that03:40
naliothyou may use any true type fonts you like, just put them in ~/.fonts    <<< you may have to make this folder03:41
azuron_nalioth: but i am not used to ubuntu's color theme.03:41
naliothazuron_: everything is user configurable03:41
samplek sr thanks03:41
KaoticEvilis there any difference between ubuntu and kubuntu? (besides KDE instead of GNOME)03:42
azuron_nalioth: i can find a KDE similar theme for ubuntu, right?03:42
azuron_KaoticEvil: no.03:42
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KaoticEvilok, didnt think so03:43
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naliothazuron_: there is a qt theme pkg for gnome, i believe03:43
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azuron_ok, i will look for it. thanks, nalioth 03:43
naliothazuron_:  gtk2-engines-gtk-qt03:44
_abbenormalcan i run 2 network cards if i edit /etc/network/interfaces with both setups03:44
nalioth_abbenormal: run them to do what?03:44
_abbenormalone eth0 one wireless03:44
_abbenormalso an eth0 setting and a wlan setting03:45
azuron_nalioth: i just have to put it into the console?03:45
naliothazuron_: install using adept or 'sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt"03:46
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azuron_nalioth: thanks, today's the 2nd day that i started to use linux03:46
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_abbenormali guess so i can connect thru a wireless and a hardline connection ie my dsl and a wireless site close to the house making 2 connections to the box03:48
nalioth_abbenormal: why would you want to network inputs?03:48
nalioth_abbenormal: why would you want two network inputs?03:48
nalioth_abbenormal: i dont think it'll work, i can't get 2 network interfaces to work at the same time on my boxes03:49
_abbenormali dont but im playing with a wireless card and think i should be able to do it03:49
_abbenormalive got a linux firewall running 2 nics 03:50
naliothi have dual NICs in all my boxes (wireless / wired) adn can only use one at a time03:50
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_abbenormalbut thats what im tring to figure out why we cannt run both at the same time03:50
_abbenormalso we could have a dual connection type03:51
KaoticEvilcan i use apt-get to install a package that ive downloaded?03:51
pupilumm,. I have to use iwconfig to configure my wlan0 device.  I am usig wpa-psk , how do I use that authentication with iwconfig?03:52
_abbenormalno that would be dpkg -i for those03:52
KaoticEvilok, :)03:52
KaoticEvilthanks _abbenormal 03:52
biebI installed synaptic, but when I run it it tells me it can't find "gksudo"03:52
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_abbenormalstuff you d/l will have a .deb ext and thats how you set those up03:52
KaoticEvilyeah, that i knew already :)03:52
KaoticEvilbut ty :)03:53
biebis there a "Ksudo"? 03:53
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biebif so how do I make synaptic use a different sudo?03:53
_abbenormaljust use sudo03:53
_abbenormaltry apt-get remove gksudo then get get sudo03:54
biebbut synaptic is trying to use gksudo.. where can I change that?03:54
_abbenormalremove it first03:54
_abbenormalthen get sudo03:54
biebIt says it can't find gksudo03:54
_abbenormalkpkg -l gksudo*03:55
_abbenormaldpkg -l gksudo*03:55
pupilI have to use iwconfig to configure my wlan0 device.  I am usig wpa-psk , how do I use that authentication with iwconfig?03:55
biebit says no packages found03:56
_abbenormalok try dpkg -l sudo*03:56
biebshould I install gksudo03:56
_abbenormaltry make sure there is one first03:56
biebsudo is there03:56
_abbenormalapt-cache search gksudo03:56
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pupil_abbenormal: know anything about iwconfig and WPA-PSK authentication?03:57
biebI have used sudo before, but how can I tell synaptic to use sudo instead of gksudo?03:57
_abbenormalive never used synaptic i do it all by apt-get or d/l the deb as needed03:58
biebyeah I can use apt-get... I just wanted ot check out synaptic03:59
_abbenormallook at it once did like it but hey never know03:59
_abbenormalwhat about adept whats it like04:00
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biebI havent tried that one04:00
biebthis is the first time I have used kubuntu or ubuntu even04:00
_abbenormalit in the system folder04:00
_abbenormalas a package manager04:01
biebhmmm doesn't look too bad04:01
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samplehow can I share or how will my windows 98 machine access my kubuntu's shared printer04:02
_abbenormalive learned to look at whats in it before i look at something new setting up the new can always be a good learning thing and can go south too as well04:02
biebthats true04:02
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naliothyou guys should not use gksudo04:05
naliothuse kdesu on kde04:05
ubotuUse kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.04:05
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biebnalioth.. the reason I had asked about gksudo, is synaptic is asking for it, and I don't know how to tell it to use sudo04:06
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naliothbieb: kubuntu uses adept as it's standard package manager, use "kdesu adept", and you will get the same results as "gksudo synaptic"04:09
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angeluscodo somebody knows which one is the repertorie for downloading w32codesc ???04:24
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laszlokangelusco: http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/04:27
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angeluscois that a repertoire for adding on my package manager ?04:29
naliothangelusco: no, visit it directly04:30
angeluscohow do i install it? raphink gave me some repertoire for downloading and installing from my package manager, but i lost it, 'cuz accidentally i erased my xserver =)04:31
angeluscoi am so noob in here, hehehe04:31
naliothubotu: tell angelusco about restricted04:32
angeluscorestricted ?, let me c04:34
chironwhat the hell is up with Open Office?04:34
chironit's slow as hell04:34
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laszlokangelusco: after you download the file, open a terminal and type: sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb04:34
angeluscoi'm on it04:34
laszlokchiron: its made that way04:35
laszlokchiron: it uses a lot of java, and it loads everything even if you only want the word processor part04:36
angeluscoty about the link ubotu ;)04:36
chironlaszlok: well that's stupid04:39
chironlaszlok: there should be a QT port of it04:40
chironlaszlok: or an alternative program04:40
chironlaszlok: yes, I know, KOffice04:40
chironlaszlok: but last time I used KOffice, it wasn't too good04:40
laszlokchiron: kword is fine for simple word processing04:42
KaoticEvilwow. i broke kaffeine o_o04:42
chironlaszlok: it didn't handle MSWord docs too well04:43
laszlokya i know everyone thinks its stupid04:43
KaoticEvilwhat version of Word?04:44
laszlokif you're interested read this: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/813604:44
chironKaoticEvil: this was awhile ago, so it might have changed04:44
chironKaoticEvil: I use the latest version of Word04:44
KaoticEvili had some Word 97 docs that KWord handled fine... i think its just the newer version of Word that do that04:44
chironKaoticEvil: Office 200304:44
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KaoticEvilyeah.. MS changes the format slightly...04:44
chironcan I save them as MSWord?04:45
chironthat's my main concern04:45
chironI need to save them in a format that is readable my many people04:45
chironand MSWord is the universal format04:45
KaoticEvili dont know, tbh... i thnk you might be able to save them as Word 97 docs.. maybe even Word 200004:45
KaoticEvilsadly, yeah.. it is04:45
angeluscokaffeine doesn't work, i can't see my videos, kaffeine error : There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins04:45
KaoticEvilwell, actually... 04:45
KaoticEvilangelusco:  /msg ubotu w32codecs04:46
KaoticEviltry that :)04:46
angeluscoi've already installed04:46
chironWhy is MS Office so fast though?04:46
chironMS Office has more features than OpenOffice does and it runs 10X faster04:46
KaoticEvilchiron:  WordPad handles a lot of DOC files as well...04:46
KaoticEvilbecuase OpenOffice is written in java.04:47
chironwell who the hell thought of doing that?04:47
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KaoticEvilSun :P04:47
KaoticEvilits retarded, i know04:47
chironwhat's wrong with C++ QT or C + GTK?04:47
KaoticEvilnothing, as far as im concerned...04:47
angeluscokaoticEvil, i've already installed, sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb04:47
samplesr where can I find a documents on how to setup samba server in kubuntu04:47
KaoticEvilangelusco:  i dont know then.... 04:47
chironeven though C and GTK would be the best, since it's the most portable04:47
KaoticEvilim pretty new at this myself..04:48
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KaoticEvilyeah, youre right04:48
chironit would be nicer for me to have C++ and QT, but the the gnomers would miss out04:48
angeluscoyesterday i was on ubuntu and i watch it with kaffeine, but today i update to kubuntu and here i can't watch it04:48
chironGnome has piss-poor QT support04:48
chironangelusco: how do you like Kubuntu vs Ubuntu?04:48
KaoticEvilive only used Gnome a lil bit.. never liked it much04:49
chironI've heard a few people say they're switching ever since Mark Shuttleworth announced he's using and backing Kubuntu04:49
chironI think that will be a big step towards Kubuntu becoming more popular04:49
angeluscoxserver and i guess i like pretty much the apps that kubuntu has, like konversation, konqueror, kontact04:49
chironKontact is just beautiful04:50
chironand Konq is becoming just a great browser04:50
chironsuper fast and featureful04:50
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laszlokangelusco: what type of video file?04:51
stbainif only KPilot and Kontact could get their act together04:51
angelusconow i installed xine, and i can see the video but i can't lisent the music04:51
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angeluscobrb, dinner is ready04:52
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chironstbain: what are you talking about?04:52
KaoticEvili like the new konq... i gotta give it props04:52
chironstbain: KPilot works beautifully with my Tungsten T04:52
chironstbain: and Kontact is just super04:52
chironKaoticEvil: the new Konq is fantastic04:53
chironKaoticEvil: adblock and tons of JS and AJAX support04:53
chironKaoticEvil: and I converted from Firefox04:53
chironKaoticEvil: that was REALLY hard to let go04:53
laszlokI just discovered the konqueror web shortcuts feature and it kicks ass04:53
laszlokangelusco: try installing xine to play it04:53
KaoticEvili wnat to know how to get the extra frame on the left tho.. the locations bar04:53
KaoticEvilsee, im a firefox user... discovered it back when it was still in pre-release beta04:54
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KaoticEvilive got everything setup just the way /i/ like it04:55
KaoticEvilwb laszlok 04:55
chironKaoticEvil: I would call myself a devout firefox user as well04:56
chironKaoticEvil: but I didn't jump on the bandwagon until about .804:56
chironKaoticEvil: I had my doubts about it at first04:56
KaoticEvilwill konq import allmy form data, saved passwords, favorites and all that?04:56
samplesr nalioth any nice resources or link that can help me to setup samba server in my kubuntu04:57
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angelusconow i installed xine, and i can see the video but i can't lisent the music04:57
chironwow, OpenOffice used about 300 mb of RAM04:57
laszlokadblock doesnt work too well for me, i prefer firefox's implementation04:57
laszlokand google maps still doesnt work so well04:57
chironlaszlok: what's wrong with Konq adblock?04:57
chironlaszlok: the only problem is it doesn't have the Filterset G Updater04:58
chironlaszlok: but that's small considering the potential speed benefits04:58
chironlaszlok: and super tight integration04:58
stbainAdept just crashed04:58
stbainand now my apt db is locked04:58
chironstbain: and?04:58
chironstbain: sudo killall adept04:58
stbainoh it's killed alright04:58
chironstbain: it happens to me all the time04:59
chironstbain: the way to get it to crash is as follows04:59
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chironstbain: you have to select a package to remove, then not close it04:59
chironstbain: and select another package to be installed04:59
chironstbain: then poof04:59
chironstbain: no more adept :D04:59
stbainsounds familiar :)04:59
naliothubotu: tell sample about samba05:00
chironstbain: I think I should report that bug05:00
chironstbain: I'm too lazy though, and it's probably been reported anyway05:00
stbainapparently there's a lot of us lazy folks out there05:00
stbainI hit bugs.kde.org05:00
stbainto see if anyone else was having the same problem I have w/ my kpilot not syncing notes correctly05:01
stbainand deleting to-do items05:01
stbainsure enough... there it was05:01
stbainfrom May05:01
stbainstill labeled as unconfirmed05:01
stbainso I voted it up05:01
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KaoticEvilchiron: will konq import allmy form data, saved passwords, favorites and all that?05:04
chironKaoticEvil: from Firefox?05:05
chironKaoticEvil: I doubt it05:05
chironKaoticEvil: maybe favorites05:05
chironKaoticEvil: why in the hell would you care about saved form data or passwords?05:05
chironKaoticEvil: if you ever clear your data that all goes away anyway05:05
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pupilanyone here?05:14
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KaoticEvil ive got all my firefox data backed up :)05:14
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KaoticEvilits all in ~/.mozilla/Firefox/<profile>05:15
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Sonny_Wertzikfatejudger, are u there?05:16
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angeluscowhen i try to open a video with xine, there is some error about the stream .....(file) use an unsupported codec: Audio Codec: MPEG layer 2/3 (0x0)05:20
angeluscoi can watch the video but i can't listen it05:21
naliothangelusco: did you install all the recommeded programs on the restricted page?05:22
angeluscoya, w32codecs and libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb05:23
angeluscoeven i installed some audio mpeg codecs05:23
naliothubotu: tell angelusco about multimedia05:23
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angeluscoubotu is a bot?05:24
ubotuangelusco: Are you smoking crack?05:24
angeluscojajaja do care that ?05:25
angeluscojajaja do u care that ?05:25
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fatbrainHello, how do I access root account?05:28
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angeluscoroot account? mmm well, when u want to set something it will ask u the root pwd05:28
fatbrainangelusco: I'm using some administration tool and it's *telling me* to login as root05:29
ubotumethinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo05:29
fatbrainwebmin or something, samba web adminstration stuff or something in that directionm.05:29
angeluscohow do i know which kind of type is this repository ---> gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse05:32
angeluscodeb or deb.scr05:32
angeluscoFINALLY, i can ear the sound05:34
Sonny_Wertzikfatejudger, are u there?05:34
angeluscotnx every1 for your supporting :)05:34
angeluscohey sonny. howdy05:35
naliothangelusco: any time05:35
Sonny_Wertzikangelusco, hey man how are u?05:35
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angeluscofine, so happy 'cuz finally i can see my videos and i can listen it05:35
angeluscotnx nalioth05:35
Sonny_Wertzikangelusco,  oh ya did u get xine to work?05:36
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angeluscoyap, i did it05:36
KaoticEvili think my systems too slow for xine.. and kaffeine is just broken05:37
angeluscoexactly i don't know how, but i just installed too many codecs (mpeg audio codecs)05:37
Sonny_Wertzikangelusco, excellent! it must feel good to accomplish that goal heh.05:37
angeluscoooooo yeah !!! =)05:37
angeluscolet me c if kaffeine works05:37
Sonny_Wertzikangelusco, heh i cant get kaffine to work heh...but i never use it though05:38
angeluscoomg, it works but now there is not working sound, hehehe, well, for the moment i have xine05:38
KaoticEvilas long as one of em works, eh?05:38
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Sonny_Wertzikangelusco, ya in gnome i have a problem with totem play same as kaffine05:38
kkathmananyone know how to remove the "kasbar" from the screen?05:39
angeluscowhat could it be?, i will search for the problem, when i get it i will tell u05:39
angeluscofor the moment, next step is to install unreal tournament in here, and play it for testing05:39
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davedormhi dee ho05:40
Sonny_Wertzikkkathman, ya if u right click it >remove from panel>pane>kasbar05:40
naliothkkathman: what is a kasbar?05:40
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angeluscohey sonny_wertzik , did u gave me last days some reposity for downloading w32codecs?05:40
davedormrock the kasbar?05:40
kkathmandavedorm: yah...I was playin around and messed with something I shouldnt have05:41
angelusconalioth i guess is the taskbar, maybe, hehehe i dunno05:41
davedormangelusco:  got mine off universe05:41
Sonny_Wertzikangelusco, i dont think so05:41
ubotumethinks w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).05:41
angeluscoooo, so it was raphink05:41
davedormso has anyone used a Logitech webcam with Kubuntu successfully??05:42
KaoticEvilwell, now i know why apache wasnt serving my webpages properly.05:42
angeluscodo somebody know about some programming languaje like visual basic?05:42
angeluscois ubotu a bot?05:43
KaoticEvilVB? why would you want to know VB?05:43
KaoticEvilangelusco:  yes, it is05:43
davedormu - BOT - u05:43
angeluscolol, ok thanks 'cuz it was to bad with me, hehehe05:43
naliothubotu: tell angelusco about yourself05:43
angeluscoi am a programmer and i used to programming on vb05:44
KaoticEvilim a programmer too.. but VB just sucks :P05:44
KaoticEvilits toally platform-dependant...05:44
angeluscoya i know, but i can't find some one for linux05:45
davedormso... webcam? Phillips driver05:45
davedormany luck getting it to work?05:45
KaoticEvilangelusco:  how much do you know about Object Pascal?05:45
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angeluscowell, actually i found some mono.project but i don't know it and some friend told me about other one05:45
KaoticEvilits a VB'ish language.. totally OO... theres a great linux variant, called FreePascal...05:45
KaoticEviland a great IDE for it, called Lazarus... i use both :)05:46
angeluscopascal??? mmm well i know something, but i need some visual leanguaje05:46
Sonny_WertzikWe got some real brains in the room hehehe05:46
KaoticEvilObject Pascal is OO05:46
KaoticEviland the best part.. its cross-platofrm :)05:46
angeluscowhich brains? i want some of that :)05:46
Sonny_Wertzik[rogrammers hehe05:47
angeluscodo u mean that i can make some program in linux and use it on windows ?05:47
KaoticEvilwww.kaosoft.us.tt :)05:47
KaoticEvilangelusco:  wait one.. ill get you a link for FreePascal and for Lazarus05:47
angeluscohehehe, well actually i am student, i am on the final step05:47
angeluscoty o much05:47
Sonny_Wertzikno i mean you have to have brains to program stuff05:47
KaoticEvilSonny_Wertzik:  not really...05:48
angeluscowell, not exatly05:48
Sonny_Wertzikok then u have to have patients hehe05:48
angeluscothats right05:48
KaoticEvilpatience, yes05:48
KaoticEviland LOTS of it05:48
angeluscobut if u like it u dont's care about it05:49
kkathmanwhew... configuring kicker panels is freaky :)05:49
angeluscoomg, i can c my dvd's on kaffeine, (but no sound) hehehe05:50
kkathmanAnd Im still not all that happy :(05:50
Sonny_Wertziki need immediate gratification... programming is not for me hehe... i have no patients05:50
KaoticEvilangelusco:  check out http://www.freepascal.org/ and http://lazarus.freepascal.org05:50
davedormso... webcam? Phillips driver05:50
davedormany luck?05:50
angeluscohey kaotik and sonny, do u have email?05:50
KaoticEvillazarus is an IDE for FreePascal... allows RAD.05:50
angeluscoi mean, could u give it to me for be in contact05:50
KaoticEvilFreePascal is a Delphi clone..05:51
KaoticEviland yes, you can makes apps that run on windows and linux05:51
KaoticEvilyou can find me here :)05:51
Sonny_Wertzikya i have mail but i get so much spam i might not know who u are and delete it05:51
angeluscoso i will take it and starting to use it05:51
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Sonny_Wertziki get like 120 spams a day05:52
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KaoticEvili dont get 120 emails in a MONTH lol05:52
angelusconp, maybe later we could knows each other, at least in this way and maybe later u could give me your emails05:52
KaoticEvilhell.. in a YEAR :|05:52
angeluscoi am not available for irc at all05:52
Sonny_Wertzikya sure that sounds ok05:52
Sonny_Wertziki see05:53
angeluscobut np, we'll be in contact in here, some times =)05:53
Sonny_Wertzikangelusco, what country are u in?05:53
KaoticEvili need to download those anyway...05:53
KaoticEvilyeah? im in texas :P were practiacally neighbors LOL05:53
angeluscobut i have to work from 8:00am to 2:00 pm and go to the school from 3:00pm to 9:00 pm05:53
angeluscoya, we are close but to far =)05:54
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Sonny_Wertzikill be right back... i need to have a smoke05:54
angeluscooooo, almost forgot this, sorry about my spelling, but i don't speak english05:54
KaoticEvilisnt thre an applet i can add to my system tray.. shows CPU load? andone for network load too?05:54
KaoticEvilangelusco:  ive been chatting on various services for about 15 years now....05:55
KaoticEvili read fluent typo :P05:55
naliothKaoticEvil: yes you can. 05:55
naliothKaoticEvil: system monitor05:55
kkathmanKaoticEvil: In in Texas too :)05:55
kkathmanand so is nalioth  :)05:55
KaoticEvilcool :)05:56
kkathmanits a veritable Texas Extravaganza :)  ok I shouldnt be so peppy05:56
kkathmanKaoticEvil: What part of Texas?05:56
KaoticEvilnear abilene05:56
kkathmanKewl I went to school in Abilene, two kids go to Texas Tech in Lubbock up the road :)05:57
KaoticEvilhow bout you?05:57
kkathmanI live in the Dallas area now, but went to ACU back in the day :)05:57
KaoticEviloh cool.. youre about 2 hours from me then :)05:57
Sonny_Wertzikok im back05:58
naliothKaoticEvil: where are you plaguing?05:58
KaoticEvili must be retarded.. i cant find it o.o05:58
kkathmanKaoticEvil: yep05:58
KaoticEvilnalioth:  ?05:58
Sonny_Wertzikim using that kxdocker bar with the cpu monitor plugin on it05:58
angeluscowell, tnx every1 hate to go05:58
angeluscohave to go*05:58
KaoticEvillater angelusco 05:59
naliothKaoticEvil: right click on the panel, and select add applet, then "system monitor"05:59
angelusconite all05:59
kkathmanhows that kxdocker workin for ya Sonny_Wertzik ?05:59
Sonny_Wertziknity nite05:59
naliothKaoticEvil: i'm from Houston, where are YOU from?05:59
KaoticEvilnalioth:  near abilene05:59
kkathmannalioth: read up 05:59
Sonny_Wertzikgood i finally got the plugins to work too05:59
naliothKaoticEvil: 2 hours from you doesnt tell me which direction05:59
KaoticEvili guess i dont have it installed :|05:59
KaoticEvilnalioth:  im 2 hours westof dallas05:59
kkathmannalioth: well I just asked him that a bit ago..and he answered :)06:00
kkathmanbut thats ok06:00
naliothKaoticEvil: n/m i'm thinking 'gnome-panel' excuse me06:00
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Sonny_Wertzikkkathman, good i finally got the plugins to work too06:00
naliothand another texan arrives06:00
KaoticEvilheh.. yup...06:00
kkathmanSonny_Wertzik: excellent...i hear there are other kickers out there06:00
KaoticEvilwhat exactly does the kicker do?06:01
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Sonny_Wertzikkkathman, ya i tried a few but kx has alot of stuff and has a good feel to it06:01
kkathmanKaoticEvil: its like your taskbar.. quick launch, etc06:01
KaoticEviloh, ok06:01
kkathmanSonny_Wertzik: I quickly looked at kxdocker but had some difficulty with it06:02
KaoticEvilconky, gkrellm, torsmo, or xosview?06:02
Sonny_Wertzikkkathman, Kxdocker is confusing as hell to set up until u find a web page that explains it06:02
KaoticEvildamn... descisions...06:02
KaoticEvilah to hell with it.. *installs all of them*06:02
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KaoticEvili can always take out the one(s) i dont like :)06:04
Sonny_Wertzikthe guy who wrote kx is italian and his instructions arent translated very well06:04
kkathmangkrellm is nice, easy on CPU and is no-fuss06:04
KaoticEvilthats one thing ive always loved about linux.. the flexibitiliy...06:04
kkathmanconky never worked too well for me, and its a torsmo derivitive...but others like it06:04
KaoticEvilthere is virtually *nothing* that you cant customize.. and i like that06:04
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kkathmanI just use one of the SK things06:05
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KaoticEvili remember using gkrellm on slack06:05
Sonny_Wertzikcatch u guys later... im going to play some unreal tourney06:05
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KaoticEvillater Sonny_Wertzik 06:05
kkathmancya Sonny_Wertzik :)06:05
Sonny_Wertziktake care all06:05
kkathmanKaotic its eye-candy for KDE06:06
KaoticEvilah, ok06:06
kkathmantransparent widgets06:06
KaoticEvilmy machine is too slow for all the eyecandy stuff :(06:06
KaoticEviland my video card doubly so06:06
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kkathmanyeah dont use that if yer machine is slow06:06
kkathmangkrellm is probably yer best bet06:06
KaoticEvil400MHz celeron, 128MB PC100 SDRAM, and a 1MB onboard Intel i810 video chip :P06:07
kkathmanconky works too, but hard to set up 06:07
kkathmanoh thats not so bad KaoticEvil 06:07
kkathmana little low on the mem06:07
KaoticEvili know06:07
KaoticEvilive been unemployed...06:07
kkathmanI'd definitely use gkrellm then06:07
kkathmanKaoticEvil: been there.. not fun... I wish you well :)06:08
KaoticEvili *used* to have a dual MP2200 box... 1GB of PC2100 Registered/ECC DDR :)06:08
KaoticEvili start my new job tomorrow :D06:08
kkathmannalioth: loves conky, but wouldnt give me his secrets on how to make it work :)06:08
KaoticEvilshould make about $500 a week :)06:08
kkathmanKaoticEvil: Excellent!06:08
kkathmanits more than $0 right?06:09
KaoticEvilill have me a decent box before too long.. .and when i do, im going to make this one my gateway/server :)06:09
KaoticEvilyeah, about $500 more :P06:09
KaoticEvilrunning linux ^_^06:09
KaoticEviland *that* will be a whole new venture for me...06:09
naliothkkathman: join #conky. they'll help you06:09
kkathmanahhh you'll get it06:09
KaoticEvilive never setup a network with a linux box as the gateway06:09
crimsunfwiw, I uploaded a newer conky last night06:10
kkathmannalioth: you help everyone else but wont help me...booo hooo :(06:10
KaoticEviloh, cool... it adds K meu entries for me :D *yay*06:10
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kkathmanwell I have to be up early for an appt, so Im out...cyall06:21
KaoticEvillater kkathman :)06:21
kkathmanand nalioth you know Im just kidding wid ya :)06:21
davedormanyone get a Logitech Webcam working with Ubuntu?  Phillips driver06:21
SuperGuppyis KDE going to be the new default DE for Ubuntu soon?06:24
crimsunUbuntu will remain GNOME, Kubuntu will remain KDE06:24
SuperGuppyguess i heard that somewhere06:24
SuperGuppyoh well06:24
crimsunthere's a lot of FUD flying06:24
SuperGuppyso Kubuntu will still be just a spinoff version06:24
SuperGuppykindof a second thought hack06:25
naliothSuperGuppy: there may be xubuntu disks flying around, tho06:26
nalioththat'd be cool06:27
crimsunnot yet06:27
SuperGuppyXFree86Ubuntu ?06:27
crimsunwe're in the process of germinating unofficial ones06:27
ubotuit has been said that xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu06:27
SuperGuppywhy is xfce popular?06:27
naliothSuperGuppy: it's light weight06:27
naliothSuperGuppy: runs well on older hardware06:27
SuperGuppyso ppl run it on the old crap they got06:28
naliothcrimsun: unofficially "official" images would be cool06:28
SuperGuppyand KDE on the new machines06:28
naliothSuperGuppy: actually xfce4 smokes on new hardware06:28
jordani can't see live cd 4 kubuntu by now. Why ?06:28
SuperGuppynalioth: yea but what if u want Kmail, Konq, KOffice, Kdevelop06:28
SuperGuppythen you need to install KDE06:28
crimsunno you don't06:28
crimsunyou just need to install those applications06:29
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crimsunyou've always been able to mix-n-match06:29
naliothSuperGuppy: no you dont. kde apps can be run anywhere06:29
SuperGuppycrimsun: so then whats the difference of running KDE with kde apps and XFCE with kde apps?> Just the window managers?06:29
SuperGuppyKWin vs XFCE?06:29
crimsunit's not just kwin vs. xfwm406:29
SuperGuppyi guess KWin+Kpannel vs XFCE06:29
crimsunit's a different environment06:30
crimsunjust like gnome is a different environment06:30
SuperGuppyyea but isn't KDE just kde apps plus KWin and KPannel06:30
crimsunno, KDE is a ton more06:30
naliothkde is a boatload of things, heh06:30
crimsunthere're lots more than just what you see on the screen at any given time. Same for GNOME, same for Xfce.06:31
SuperGuppycrimsun: i don't understand... do they have hidden services running in the background when you load KDE that you wouldn't get when you loaded say.. KOffice and Kdevelop06:31
crimsunhidden services? No. Processes that handle communication? Sure.06:31
SuperGuppyso like cut n paste KDE handles06:31
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SuperGuppybut if you run KOFFICE under XFCE then cut n paste might be different06:31
crimsunno, it's the same06:32
SuperGuppyso what is in the KDE "Desktop" that you is slow that makes XFCE + KDE Apps a faster combination?06:32
crimsunXfce doesn't provide the piping the same way.06:33
crimsunsame for GNOME06:33
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crimsunif you like KDE, use it.06:33
SuperGuppywhy don't KDE developers do their plumming the XFCE way then if its better06:33
crimsunno one said it's better06:34
crimsuntry not to think of different desktop environments as "better"06:34
crimsunthe real issue is choice06:34
SuperGuppyjust different features06:34
naliothSuperGuppy: desktop environments are like cars06:34
naliothsome people like ford, some like toyota06:35
SuperGuppyand slower/more features vs. faster/less features06:35
SuperGuppynalioth: yea but those that like fords are just plain silly IMO06:35
SuperGuppyvs toyota06:35
naliothSuperGuppy: you get the point06:35
SuperGuppytoyota is obviously better than fords06:35
crimsunno, they're not obviously better, and the same argument applies to desktop environments06:36
SuperGuppywell Ubuntu is better than debian06:36
naliothSuperGuppy: not for some people. it's about choice06:37
crimsunno, it's not06:37
crimsunright, like nalioth said, it's about choice06:37
KaoticEvili think the best desktop environment/window manager is the one that suits the user the best06:37
SuperGuppyok maybe not better than debian.. but better than Fedora :)06:37
crimsunKaoticEvil: precisely, and that preference may shift as the user adjusts06:37
crimsunafter all, we aren't static.06:37
samplesr how can I enable swat06:38
SuperGuppytheir preference may shift tward KUbuntu more so than others tho06:38
KaoticEvili think KDE is probably the best one for people who are new to linux, and are used to windows...06:38
KaoticEvilof the ones ive seen, it most closely resembles windows.. making the transition a lot less painless06:38
SuperGuppyI always thought GNOME was better for windows users because it only has like 5 buttons06:38
KaoticEvillol SuperGuppy 06:39
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SuperGuppydon't ask me where to setup a printer in GNOME06:39
davedormwhere do I get kernel headers?06:39
crimsunlinux-headers-$(uname -r)06:39
crimsunit's not necessary normally to have to compile kernel modules06:39
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SuperGuppydo you guys know if you need to instal the commercial nvidia drivers in ubuntu or will it install them automatically ?06:41
KaoticEvilhmmmmmmm... apache or apache2?06:41
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crimsunSuperGuppy: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto06:43
RaReAnyone willing to help me about partitions? :o06:43
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KaoticEvilRaRe:  what about that?06:44
RaRewell.. I've got 2 drives - primary for winxp (x.x) and slave for kubuntu06:44
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RaReinstalled succefully but the partition thinggy didn't turned out as i planned06:45
cynehow do i disallow internet access to a program in Kubuntu, but allow it access to my LAN ?06:45
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samplesr how can I enable swat06:45
KaoticEvilRaRe:  how were you trying to get it to work?06:45
KaoticEviland how did it turn out?06:45
naliothsample: what is swat?06:45
RaReI wanted my slave to have 2 partitions 1 - accesible thru my xp and the other for kubuntu only06:45
samplesamba web admin06:46
RaRewell right now my slave is lost in xp06:46
davedormwtf is kgcc?06:46
davedormsays it is missing06:46
cynedoes Kubuntu have a firewall?06:46
RaRei also didnt see an option on where to install kubuntu specifically06:46
KaoticEvilRaRe:  it asks you what partition you want to install it to06:46
naliothcyne: it has firewalling capabilities built in, yes06:47
cynenalioth: may i ask how to access them?06:47
RaReduring the partition part of the kubuntu installation - i wasn't sure what i did there06:47
samplesr nalioth samba web administration tool06:47
SuperGuppycyne: probably need to drop to a KTerm and edit your firewall rules in VIM06:47
naliothcyne: on a default install, no firewall is necessary, but firestarted is a good frontend06:47
stupendo44cyne: I use kmyfirewall06:47
RaResplit my 2nd hd for 30gb and 10gb06:47
cynethankyou guys06:47
samplecause I couldn't login using or any user with my webmin06:47
naliothubotu: tell cyne about firestarter06:48
naliothsample: i'm not familiar with samba, as i have no windows boxen06:48
sampleyes sir it a windows and linux authentication06:48
sampleanyway sr thanks06:49
KaoticEvilRaRe:  what did you use to partition the drive?06:49
RaReKaoticEvil: pm :D06:50
KaoticEvilPM always killed my linux partitions when i used it06:51
RaReKaoticEvil: ? nono,, lol i mean private message06:51
RaRenot partition magic06:51
KaoticEviloh, heh... 06:51
naliothRaRe: you are unable to pm, you are not registered on this network06:51
RaReanyways i used the on at kubuntu installation cd06:51
naliothubotu: tell RaRe about register06:52
RaRenanlioth :o 06:52
jordani read Partition magic also06:52
KaoticEvilwow... konq is WAY faster than FF O.O06:53
RaRenanlioth: lol thanx. :x06:53
RaReubotu: tell RaRe about register06:55
KaoticEvilRaRe:  i dont normally chat in PM...06:56
RaReoh okie06:56
KaoticEvili didnt use the partitioning tool on the CD... i had previously made my partitions using a slackware install CD, and cfdisk06:58
RaReso i'd just partition my drive before installing. got it07:00
RaRenow one last question07:00
KaoticEvilim new to linux as well.. so im probaly not the best choice for getting help... nalioth is very knowledgeable tho...07:00
RaReoh, it's alright. ^^07:00
KaoticEvili can *try* to help... i do know some things07:01
RaRehow do i uninstall my kubuntu and beable to find my lost drive back? :o window's command promt doesn't detect my d: drive now07:01
KaoticEvilit may be hidden...07:01
RaRethanx kaotic, your help is very much appreciated :D07:02
KaoticEvili know this is goinf to sound strange... but try MS's fdisk... you can unhide partitions with it..07:02
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KaoticEvilas for uninstalling kubunutu... 07:02
KaoticEvilonly way i know of to uninstall *any* OS is to format the drive ;)07:02
RaReroger about the fdisk07:02
KaoticEvilor in your case, partition07:02
RaRe^^ thanx <307:02
naliothwindows wont see any drive not formatted in fat or ntfs07:03
KaoticEvilnalioth:  but his entire drive is missing.. hes got it split into partitions :)07:04
KaoticEvilwhich makes me think that the partition (probably FAT32) is just hidden...07:04
KaoticEvilits happened to me before :P07:04
naliothi havent owned a windows box in over 5 years07:04
naliothi'm not the one to ask about cloaked windows partitions07:05
RaRei think i changed the format to something like ext23..07:05
RaReboth of the partition.. i was really messing it up during the installation's partition tool07:05
KaoticEvilif you changed the format on the partition to ext2 or ext3, windows will not see it at all07:06
KaoticEvilit doesnt know how to read it07:06
KaoticEvilRaRe:  wnat my advice?07:06
RaRew8! i just saw it on window's disk management07:06
KaoticEvildo you know how to use fdisk? the MS one, that is07:06
RaRenope.. still surfing for info07:07
KaoticEvilurgh.. ok07:07
KaoticEvilthe MS fdisk is, IMO, a *lot* easier to use for some one new to partitioning than either of the linux toosl if used (fdisk, and cfdisk)07:07
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KaoticEvilRaRe:  get a Windows 98 boot disk (www.bootdisk.com)07:08
KaoticEviland boot from it... then check our fdisk... see if you can figure it out.. make your partitions with it, and then format them... make sure that you only format the shared partition in windows tho07:08
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jordanhi 07:11
stupendo44toto? where are you, toto?07:11
stupendo44-- Please enjoy you flight on Freenode International --07:12
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RaReThanx for all the help guys... brb07:16
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stupendo44BlankC: you know, it's healthier to blink more often07:29
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ubotuilba7r: Bugger all, i dunno07:31
naliothilba7r: do you not know where ubotu's brains are kept?07:32
naliothilba7r: his brains have a convenient search function07:32
naliothubotu: tell ilba7r about yourself07:32
ilba7rthanx nalioth07:39
ilba7rand i was not playing with ubotu07:39
naliothilba7r: it's better not to !fish !for !info07:41
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ilba7rnalioth its the fastest way07:42
ilba7rperhaps you an help me07:43
ilba7rany one know what is a multiload-apple ? and how to list all daemons that are running?07:43
ilba7rnalioth what is the use of "ubotu" if not to search for facts?07:46
naliothilba7r: ubotu is to give facts to you or someone else. i have a /pm window open with ubotu all the time07:47
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naliothilba7r: you can use ubotu in a /pm window and not flood the !channel !with !fishing07:47
ilba7rpoint taken but am not fishing i am looking for info07:48
ilba7rwhich happen to be for 2 days now07:48
ilba7rbut thanx for the info07:48
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KaoticEvildamn that07:55
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cynehow do i stop a specific software from accessing the internet?08:03
cyneis it worth installing firestarter with all those gnome packages?08:05
chironcyne: maybe if you're paranoid08:05
chironI'm having a little trouble with the KOffice packages?08:07
chironhas someone had any success in installing them?08:07
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cynechiron, i have08:08
cynei just used kynaptic, easy :)08:08
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Madeye guys, How to show large icons in navigation tab (the one appear when you click ALT+tab) ?08:10
chironcyne: which packages did you install?08:10
cynechiron... not sure08:11
robitailleFinally tried Kubuntu for the first time tonight.  One problem:  my network setting window seems to be a lot taller than the size of my display.  So I don't see the administrator button at the bottom.  Is there a way to resize that window?08:12
naliothrobitaille: can you right click on the program box in the kicker and select move or anything?08:14
robitaillenalioth,  yes.  08:14
naliothmove it to where you can resize the window08:14
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robitaillenalioth,   I can't.  THe top of the nwtwork setting window is at the top of my screen.  THe bottom of it seems to be below the bottom panel08:15
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naliothrobitaille: when you right click on the button in the kicker, and select move, it doesnt allow you to move the actual window?08:16
robitaillenalioth, yes I can move the window.  But the window is still taller than my display no matter where I move it.08:16
expressogetting sun's java on kubuntu is quite challenging.08:17
expressothough, i had challenges getting the nvidia drivers to work.08:17
SuperGuppyanything 3rd party in linux is challenging08:17
SuperGuppyif it isn't in the package system, its garbage08:17
robitaillenalioth,  minimizing/mazimizing it doesn't make a difference.  Trying to resizing it with the keyboard shorthcut doesn't work since I cannot reach the bottom of my window.08:18
SuperGuppythat is why linux is failing on the desktop. there are no decent 3rd party installation methods because each distribution wants it in a different format08:18
expressoSuperGuppy: it's only a 3rd party binary driver/jvm, nothing fancy.08:19
SuperGuppythats my point08:19
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SuperGuppyits nothing fancy, yet files must be placed manually, and text files must be edited manually08:19
SuperGuppyand its just a driver08:19
SuperGuppysame with java08:19
SuperGuppysame with ANY installation that isn't done through the distribution's package manager08:20
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expressoSuperGuppy: i'd imagine i could just run the binary sun jdk installer and install it that way, but then i'd have to probably manually setup the java_home env var and such08:20
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naliothrobitaille: ok. i am not that familiar with kde, i know in gnome you can right click on the program button in the panel and select "move" then you can move the actual windows anywhere you like08:20
naliothubotu: tell expresso about java08:21
naliothubotu: tell SuperGuppy about java08:21
RaRewoohoo, I'm on my 1st linux ;) just thought i'd share :x08:21
expressoso, using the package manager is about integration of the software with the operating environment.08:21
SuperGuppynalioth: its so complex u need a howto on it08:21
naliothSuperGuppy: what is that?08:21
SuperGuppyand in every other OS known to man you just double click on the icon08:21
robitaillenalioth,  I'm in the same boat.  I usually use gnome, but decided to give kubuntu a spin tonight08:21
naliothrobitaille: it is not gnome, heh08:22
expressoSuperGuppy: not exactly. on windows you have to have administrative privs on the box to install binary jdk08:22
expressosomething more than linux requires.08:22
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SuperGuppyrobitaille good choice08:23
robotgeeknalioth: i downloaded the x86 version of the live cd and am using it on a univ machine08:23
SuperGuppymost would say that KDE is a step above GNOME right now08:23
robotgeeki got sick and tired of sshing from putty 08:23
catmeisterHey, whats up?08:23
expressoubotu: i've got to enable mp3 support also? ouch.08:23
ubotuexpresso: Syntax error in line 108:23
SuperGuppyyou have to download mp3 support seperately08:24
SuperGuppyand DVD player support sepeartely08:24
robitailleSuperGuppy,  it all depends of your taste.  The important part is that you have the choice between KDE and Gnome.  Now if Kubuntu was only working better for me in my first attempt....08:24
SuperGuppyand your nvidia drivers seperately08:24
naliothexpresso: that is because x/k/ubuntu is a truly "free" distro08:25
expressoSuperGuppy: is there a guide on these things, or just installing is enough? apt-get install mp3-support?08:25
TheKaoticEvillol raphink 08:25
naliothubotu: tell expresso about mp308:25
SuperGuppyexpresso: duno i haven't figured out how to get it working08:25
TheKaoticEvilRaRe even.08:25
naliothubotu: tell expresso about nvidia08:25
raphinkTheKaoticEvil: does that mean I am funny when I say nothing?08:25
TheKaoticEvilcongrats RaRe :)08:25
SuperGuppyubotu: tell me about nvidia08:25
TheKaoticEvilraphink:  no, that was a bad autocomplete on my part ... sorry08:25
expressonalioth: i've used gentoo for some years, and it seems pretty free.  unstable at times, but free.08:25
SuperGuppy0127]  <ubotu> Please use private messages, like '/msg ubotu nvidia', rather than posting into the channel needlessly.08:26
naliothSuperGuppy: you should be registered to make full use of ubotu08:26
raphinkyou woke me up08:26
raphinkhehe j/k08:26
naliothexpresso: free as in "unencumbered by patented content"08:26
TheKaoticEvillol sorry08:26
TheKaoticEvilraphink:  do you sleep at your comptuer too?08:26
expressonot to get into some free idiologies (sp?) or distro differences. i just want my mp3, and dvd (decrypted), java, etc.08:26
catmeisterExpresso, apt-get install nvidia-glx08:26
raphinkno I'm j/k I got up 15 minutse ago08:26
expressocatmeister: i found i need the legacy for my vanta card.08:27
naliothexpresso: ubotu has msgd you lots of info08:27
catmeisterThen edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf Change the video identifier and driver both to nvidia08:27
expressonalioth: i see the msg's, thanks. is this a bot?08:28
naliothubotu: tell expresso about yourself08:28
TheKaoticEvilraphink:  oh.. damn... maybe i am the only one who sleeps at his computer :(08:28
raphinkTheKaoticEvil: actually my bed is just over my computer08:28
raphinkor my computer under my bed if you prefer08:28
TheKaoticEvilraphink:  not quite the same... i tend to fall asleep AT my desk...08:29
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TheKaoticEvildammit, i wish that nick would get disconnected already :(08:29
catmeisterI tend to be at the computer in the living room till I pass out. The office is also the babys room.08:29
TheKaoticEvili want my nick back lol08:29
naliothTheKaoticEvil: /msg nickserv help ghost08:30
naliothTheKaoticEvil: ask for help, quit whining08:30
TheKaoticEvil:P nalioth 08:30
catmeisterHey, I switched from ubuntu repository wine to wine-hq repository and now its not making the start menu entries.08:30
TheKaoticEvilim not used to IRC ;)08:31
naliothcatmeister: are you using ubuntu santioned repos?08:31
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naliothTheKaoticEvil: you can ghost your nick if you get lost08:31
KaoticEvilthere we are :D08:31
naliothKaoticEvil: dont be a weenie and wait til the ghost is ready to go08:32
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catmeisterThe only non-ubuntu repos are the ones for wine. I wanted to go to .9 the first beta. Finally!08:32
naliothcatmeister: be safer to compile it from code, imho08:33
catmeisterI thought I would try the official deb package. But, I can always install from source like I was on slackware.08:34
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KaoticEvilah, there we go :)08:35
naliothcatmeister: adding non ubuntu repos is not a wise idea08:36
KaoticEvilcan anyone recommend a Dreamweaver-like app?08:37
catmeisterThe wine team has heavily tested it under Ubuntu.08:38
chavoKaoticEvil, nvu or quanta08:38
catmeisterI added the wine projects sourceforge apt repository. 08:39
naliothcatmeister: not wise. add the deb-src repos if there are any, and have apt build the pkg for you08:40
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KaoticEviloooooooooo........... nvu is nice looking :D08:41
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naliothKaoticEvil: dont hold it against nvu that it started as a linspire project08:43
KaoticEvilas i dont know what linspire is... 08:44
naliothKaoticEvil: you DONT? good!08:44
KaoticEvilanything like lindows? :P08:44
KaoticEvili like the lookNfeel of it...08:45
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naliothKaoticEvil: yes lindows became linspire08:46
naliothKaoticEvil: a very very bad distro08:46
catmeisterYeah, I concur.08:46
KaoticEvilyes, i know.. i saw it in action... or lack thereof08:46
catmeisterLinspire is SLIGHTLY better than Windows. Ugggh.08:47
KaoticEvila friend ofm ine actually ran lindows... he said it was going to replace windows in the next 2 or 3 years08:47
KaoticEvili laughed at him08:48
catmeisterLinspire: For people who actually like Windows08:49
KaoticEvil<< likes windows08:49
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KaoticEvili just like linux better ;)08:50
catmeisterSlacksware: very stable but definately showing its age08:50
chironrobitaille: it's a bug in System Settings08:50
chironrobitaille: it hasn't been fixed yet08:50
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catmeisterMandriva: Good for beginners but too dumbed down for my taste08:50
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chironso has anyone installed KOffice using apt?08:51
catmeisterKubuntu: Well, I mostly like what Ive seen so far. 08:51
chironKubuntu is appealing to many different skill levels because of the debian package system08:52
catmeisterchiron, sudo apt-get install koffice08:52
chironcatmeister: works, but doesn't run08:52
chironkoffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in kword's desktop file. Check your installation !08:53
catmeisterHmmm... Im installing it now. Lets see what happens when I try to open it.08:53
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catmeisterNo problem, opened fine.08:54
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catmeisterchiron, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall koffice08:57
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chironcatmeister: what version of KDE do you use?09:00
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chironcatmeister: see, I'm using 3.509:02
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chironcatmeister: it's probably a beta bug09:03
catmeisterThat could be.09:03
chironcould other people test to see if KOffice works for them?09:04
catmeisterWhat Kaotic?09:04
chironif we can establish a link between the version of KDE and whether KOffice works or not09:04
chironI can report it as a bug09:04
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catmeisterWhen is kde gonna dump arts?09:09
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catmeisterJust out of curiousity, anyone a tech/helpdesk/coder for a living? Im helpdesk.09:14
aftertafhelpdesk :/09:14
aftertaf& tech09:14
crimsunall three at various points09:14
blockheadcan someone tell me how to  find uni/multiverse repositories for 5.10?09:14
ubotuHow to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example soruces.list09:14
uboturesolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto09:16
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RaRe<3 ubotu!09:16
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mth`MAWhi guys09:17
catmeisterIm running off a 5.04 initial install, but all packages are at the newest version. So, its more like an updated 5.1.09:17
catmeisterWell, I really need to get to sleep.09:20
chironcan someone else test the KOffice packages?09:22
chironjust apt-get koffice09:22
KaoticEvilchiron:  i just did.. they worked fine for me...09:22
chironKDE 3.5?09:23
KaoticEvilno, sorry :(09:23
chironor 3.4.3?09:23
chirondoes anyone here have KDE 3.5?09:23
chironanybody at all09:23
KaoticEvilid like to try it :)09:23
chironKaoticEvil: then upgrade09:23
chironKaoticEvil: it's got great new features09:23
chironKaoticEvil: not to mention that it's faster09:24
KaoticEvilim a lil leary about running a beta WM tho09:24
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chironKaoticEvil: yeah, I was a little scared09:24
chironKaoticEvil: arts doesn't work, so you can't upgrade that09:24
chironKaoticEvil: and there is this library problem with Akgregator09:24
KaoticEvili dont know what that is :P09:24
chironKaoticEvil: it works, but it shows an error message09:24
chironKaoticEvil: perhaps you should stay with KDE stable...09:25
KaoticEvilim planning on it ;)09:25
KaoticEvilmaybe later on in my linux life, ill get brave enough to try a beta WM09:25
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chironboy, KDE isn't acting too friendly right now09:31
chironI'm gonna restart09:31
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blockheadcan someone tell me how to install mozilla-mplayer in 5.10?09:31
blockheadhow much of ubuntuguide.org applies to breezy?09:32
aftertafblockhead:  avoid that site. it gives bad advice and can bork your system09:35
aftertafblockhead:  sudo apt-get install  mozilla-mplayer <--- jst this minute done the same and it works, i also installed firefox-dev package09:36
blockheadwhen i do apt-get update09:36
blockheadi get a bunch of these09:36
blockheadFailed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/multiverse/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 80] 09:36
aftertafblockhead:  ok. edit your sources.list09:37
aftertafand remove the ca. at the front, then type sudo apt-get update09:37
blockheadFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 80] 09:39
aftertafme not see....... backports!!!!!09:39
crimsunthere are no breezy backports yet09:40
crimsuncomment out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list and update09:40
aftertafin 3 lines you want this:09:40
aftertafdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse09:40
aftertafdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse09:40
blockheadlol i got it now09:40
blockheadfeel dumb09:40
aftertafcruddage.... only line one in pm...09:40
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aftertaflol blockhead nm ;)09:40
blockheadBuilding dependency tree... Done09:41
blockheadE: Couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer09:41
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aftertafblockhead:  pastebin your sources list.09:43
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aftertafok got it.... remove the whole lot and replace with what i sent you on PM.09:45
aftertafyou need to enable universe and multiverse, and comment out the cd, but easier if you paste what i sent you.09:46
blockheadthats all?09:47
aftertafyep. its condensed :)09:48
blockheadmuch thanks09:48
blockheadim sure ill have another question soon09:48
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blockheadwhat codec do i need to get mplayer to play avi files?10:01
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havard_so what's up with the size of the kde 3.5b2 libkcal2a package?10:08
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havard_anyone know why the libkcal2a package in kde3.5b2 is so goddamned enormous?10:15
Tm_Tit holds so much calendar things?10:15
havard_it's 42mb. that's an awful lot of "calendar things". 10:16
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fimiiokay, is it possible to make a style that would have a wider scroll bar? I am using a touchscreen, and i'm finding that the standard size for a scrool bar is not wide enough.10:36
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naliothfimii: that all can be adjusted in the preferences10:47
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Kalidarnive been a long time ubuntu user however im not sure with Kubuntu and the sources.list what do i need to change? All ubuntu=kubuntu?10:50
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nissemusKalidarn check if you ubuntu has kde debs..10:51
Kalidarnwhere could i get a virgin kubuntu sources.list file10:51
nissemusapt-chache searc kde10:51
nissemusor smthng.10:51
Kalidarnno i reinstalled kubuntu :)10:51
Kalidarncomplete installation10:51
Tm_TKalidarn: ubuntu = kubuntu10:52
naliothKalidarn: the same sources.list works for both10:52
Kalidarnbut the apt-get sources.list are different10:52
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Kalidarnmm they are?10:52
naliothKalidarn: they are not different10:52
Tm_TKalidarn: same10:52
Kalidarni thought it was #deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main10:52
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/10:52
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naliothKalidarn: those are "unofficial" kubuntu pkgs10:52
naliothKalidarn: use them at your own risk, bug reports go to kubuntu.org10:53
bubblenutHi, can anyone point me to a nice guide on how to set up dual screen with my laptop?10:53
nissemusnalioth haha.... use tham at your own risk.10:53
Kalidarnmm okay10:53
Kalidarndeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu = deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/kubuntu ?10:53
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bubblenutI have an extra screen here on my desk and it seems a waste not to have it working on my laptop :/10:53
naliothrobotgeek: build it. it builds fine on my hoary10:53
Tm_TKalidarn: no, don't change a thing10:53
Kalidarnmm defaultly my sources.list are10:54
nissemusbubblenut www.linux.com10:54
robotgeeknalioth: ahh, no..i'll just wait!10:54
naliothKalidarn: use the default sources.list10:54
Tm_TKalidarn: defaults are fine10:54
nissemusbubblenut www.howtoforge.com10:54
Kalidarnas ive been using PXE10:54
naliothrobotgeek: i built it t'other day w/o a hiccup10:54
Kalidarnthats why i am going to completly replace it10:54
robotgeeknalioth: hmm, too much work. 10:55
nissemusbubblenut www.linuxdoc.org10:55
Kalidarnsecurity is normal10:55
Kalidarnbut the universe and main resticted arent10:55
naliothrobotgeek: my apt-get did it10:55
Kalidarntheyre /kubntu10:55
naliothubotu: tell Kalidarn about sources10:55
robotgeeknalioth: i know, but my poor laptop. not much juice in there! 10:56
Kalidarnpefect ;)10:56
Tm_Tubotu: what's up10:56
ubotueverything is okay thanks10:56
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propagandhiubotu: hows things?10:56
ubotupropagandhi: Did you get hit by a windmill?10:56
ubotuYou can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.10:56
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Tm_Trobotgeek: I don't10:57
propagandhinobody needs to be the nazi10:58
propagandhiI abide by the rules10:58
Kalidarnmm thats straight that the ubuntu sources are EXACTLY the same, this doesnt indicate so in my default sources.list (must be that pXE screws things up)10:58
propagandhia comment here and there hardly warrants banning10:58
naliothrobotgeek: you? i'm afraid that title goes to me10:58
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Kalidarn!robotgeek kick me please10:59
ubotuSyntax error in line 1, Kalidarn10:59
robotgeeknalioth: you want it, you got it!10:59
Kalidarn!robotgeek ban10:59
ubotuKalidarn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?10:59
Kalidarn!robotgeek retard10:59
ubotuKalidarn: What?10:59
naliothKalidarn: what are you doing?10:59
robotgeekKalidarn: what are you trying to pull?10:59
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bimberiKalidarn: ubotu is a bot, robotgeek is human - does that help?11:00
Kalidarni thought robotgeek was a bot too11:01
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fimiiso wait... where can i configure how big my scroll bars are...11:02
naliothfimii: right click on the offensive bar and see if there are preferences11:02
robotgeeknalioth: nothing of consequence in 1.3.5/, so i am sticking with what I have11:02
naliothfimii: if that doesnt work, i'm sure some of the talented folks can help you further11:02
fimiiright. time to find a real mouse.11:03
naliothrobotgeek: i only built it cuz ridde11 asked me to (for hoary compatibility)11:03
robotgeeknalioth: these are the debs you are rolling out?11:03
naliothrobotgeek: i'im not rolling anything out yet, i built it locally 11:04
naliothpbuilder still is giving me the finger11:04
naliothrobotgeek: did you get any notices recently?11:04
robotgeeknalioth: uggh, ugly11:04
robotgeeknalioth: yup, ty11:04
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naliothrobotgeek: interested?11:07
robotgeeknalioth: nope, running a bit low on cash11:07
bubblenutnissemus: linux.com returns all it's articles no matter what I search on, and howtoforge.com is completely the oposite, I can't get any search results for dual screen11:07
robotgeeknalioth: plus, i don't have a desktop machine yet. just waiting for things to settle down11:07
naliothrobotgeek: your sister doesn't need a 6 unit raid array?11:07
robotgeeknalioth: yeah, right!11:08
naliothrobotgeek: pshaw. scsi > firewire adaptor, bingo! instant firewire raid11:08
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at1asbubblenut:  gg: dual head ubuntu11:42
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bgrahhallo, habe grade kubuntu auf altnotebook installiert und habe nun leider keine vernnftige Bildschirmauflsung . Welcher x-server wird benutzt und wie stelle ich den ein ?12:24
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Kalidarnwhy the hell does my net interface change all the damn time12:33
Kalidarni want soon as i click, Ok and Apply it reverts.12:33
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storkurdoes anyone know how to install vlc via apt get ?12:48
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KimppaHi. I'm trying to get skype to work, but when I make a call, I get an error message saying "problem with sound device" and the call fails. In Skype's options the only sound device available is /dev/dsp12:49
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Kimppaany ideas?12:49
mth`MAWtry an killall artsd before starting skype12:54
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LeeJunFanKimppa: /dev/dsp is in use by artsd, you can either killall artsd or artsshell suspend before running skype, you can also try running skype through artsdsp skype to get skype to use arts, that way you don't have to suspend or kill artsd.01:02
LeeJunFanKimppa: however is running it via artsdsp doesn't work you'll have to resort to suspending or killing artsd.01:03
KimppaI tried in gnome and it worked fine. When I booted back to kde, skype worked. Then I put amarok on, and skype stopped working01:05
Kimppado you know how to get skype to use artsdsp?01:05
LeeJunFanKimppa: that's because the soundserver is set to suspend itself if nothing uses it for a while. So when you ran amarok and put arts to use it grabbed control of /dev/dsp again01:08
LeeJunFanKimppa: type artsdsp [program name]  in a shell to get it to run inside arts01:09
LeeJunFanie. artsdsp skype - if that's the name of the executable.01:09
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Kimppakimppa@kleppane:~ $ artsdsp skype01:11
KimppaSegmentation fault01:11
Kimppacan I have amarok and skype both use the same sound engine simultaneosly?01:12
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ubotupropagandhi: I don't know, could you explain it?01:18
ubotupropagandhi: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about01:18
propagandhiubotu: arabs01:19
ubotuWish i knew, propagandhi01:20
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propagandhianyone here01:25
dipnlikhi propagandhi . if you have a problem, just ask01:26
propagandhidipnlik: no prblem just seeing if there was any life01:27
dipnlikpropagandhi: cool, feel free to... well, stay :)01:27
propagandhithats good01:27
propagandhiat least kubuntu still has a place for me01:27
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LeeJunFanKimppa: sorry - ran out to put my son on the bus. artsdsp WOULD HAVE been to have them both use the same. unofortunately skype doesn't seem to be artsdsp friendly. So you'll have to give up your /dev/dsp to skype totally by suspending or killing. :(01:31
KimppaLeeJunFan: no problem. And thank you01:31
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KimppaIf I close amarok completely, then skype will work01:31
LeeJunFanKimppa: yeah, it may take a few seconds. You can adjust the time artsd will wait before suspending by opening kcontrol and going to sound & multimedia -> Sound System, and ajust the auto suspend. Probably 1 second is what you'll want.01:33
LeeJunFanKimppa: might even be that by default.01:33
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MarsSomeone using kxdocker?01:34
Kimppahehe, was 60 seconds by default :)01:34
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Marsi dont know how to unable plugin in kxdocker01:42
Marscause it is still mounting some drivers01:43
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Marsthat i dont want to see on my docker01:43
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thedrawercan someone help me?02:26
icewtnot until you ask the question02:27
thedraweroh sorry02:29
thedrawerwas installing java just now02:30
thedrawerhere's my problem02:30
icewtwhat happens if you type firefox in a terminal window?02:32
thedrawerI tried typing ./firefox, which made it load for a some time. then nothing.02:33
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thedrawerideas anyone?02:36
icewtwhy did you install firefox that way in the first place? isn't 1.0.7 in the ubuntu repositories? at least for hoary/breezy02:37
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manveruwhen is 1.5 ready for breezy?02:38
thedrawerit is?02:38
manveru1.0.7 is in...02:38
manverunext time just use 'apt-cache show mozilla-firefox'02:39
manveruand you'll see the version02:39
ChousukeIt'll be backported02:39
manveru1.0.7-0ubuntu20 (on my side)02:39
ChousukeBut breezy is officially stuck with 1.0.702:40
Chousukewhich kind of sucks.02:40
Chousuke1.5 is good02:40
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manveruyeah, i have only shortcuts for it yet02:40
Chousuke1.0.x still have that annoying "must render whole content before displaying" bug02:40
thedrawerI typed apt-cache show mozilla-firefox in the Konsole, but nothing happened02:41
Chousukewhich is VERY noticeable if you open 20 tabs at the same time02:41
vicksthis is also a bit interesting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion?highlight=%28firefox%2902:41
Chousukeyou have to wait for the tabs all to be rendered before you can browse them at all02:41
manveruthe coolest feature for me is the no-error-popups-anymore feature02:42
thedrawerwho would open 20 tabs at the same time in the first place? :D02:42
manveruuhm, me :)02:42
manverufor example while google-searching02:42
manveruor browsing large galleries02:42
Chousukethedrawer: me, every morning02:43
Chousuketo check some webcomics.02:43
thedrawerhe :D02:43
thedraweryou can't check them one by one, or two by two? :P02:43
thedrawerof course not :D02:43
Chousukeit's a lot more convenient to "open links in tabs"02:44
ChousukeI have them all in a folder.02:44
thedrawerso anyways how do I start firefox?02:44
manveruhowever, 1.5 rocks... if only more plugins where ready02:44
manveruok, let's help :)02:44
manveruwhat version of kubuntu do you have?02:45
manveruah, k02:45
Chousukeon 1.5, the limiting factor as to how fast I can browse the comics is bandwidth :P02:45
manverufrom 5.402:45
manveruor clean install02:45
Chousukethedrawer: manually installed 1.5? or?02:45
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manveruok, however - type 'sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list'02:46
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thedrawerchousuke: firefox?02:46
Chousukethedrawer: yes.02:47
thedrawerchousuke: no. I tried to install 1.0.7 :P02:47
thedrawerError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-thedrawer" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:48
thedrawerLink points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"02:48
thedrawerkate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.02:48
manveruuh :)02:49
Chousukethedrawer: 'k.02:49
Chousukecan't find a link in the menus? ;P02:49
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thedrawerthis is weird02:51
qbittry kdesu kate instead02:51
nalioththedrawer: that is what happens when you open kde apps as a superuser and DONT USE kdesu to do it02:51
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nalioththedrawer: you'll need to rename that file with the bad permissions 02:52
nalioththedrawer: and always use kdesu to open kde gui apps as a superuser02:52
thedrawerthe sources.list?02:52
nalioth07:47 < thedrawer> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-thedrawer" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:52
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thedrawersorry, I'm a linux-virgin02:53
nalioththedrawer: and dont ever open gnome gui apps unless you use gksudo (it does horrible things to your box)02:53
thedrawerI gave that kdecache-thedrawer -folder full permissions for anyone02:55
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nalioththedrawer: better to have renamed or removed it. it is temporary in nature (that's why it's in the /var/tmp/ folder)02:56
thedrawerI got the sources.list file opened now02:56
nalioththedrawer: giving things universal permissions is sometimes as bad as the other way02:56
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thedrawerso what do I do now?02:58
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nalioththedrawer: got about your business03:00
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nalioththedrawer: continue your business03:00
manveruthedrawer: ok, back again03:00
manverunow, could you please take the content of the file, and copy it to http://rafb.net/paste03:01
thedrawerthis is weird03:05
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_thedrawer_so how did I open that file again03:10
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manveruwhy did you restart?03:11
thedrawernothing worked03:11
thedrawerwell IRC worked, but that's about it03:11
thedrawerI couldn't load any web-pages, no nothing03:12
manverunext time, try restarting your X-server03:12
manverujust logout and press [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace] 03:12
manveru(its only my personal dislike of restarting a computer)03:12
manveruhowever, to open the file do 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'03:13
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thedrawerand where do I paste the contents?03:14
manveruto http://rafb.net/paste03:14
manveruhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com (this would have been the std one - next time)03:15
manveruplease give me the url03:16
thedraweryou're now hacking my pc aren't you? :D03:17
manveruof course ;)03:17
manverui'll give you a new sources.list03:17
manveruor even better03:17
manverui say you how to change yours03:17
thedraweruncomment them?03:18
manveruso you get a bit used to it03:18
manverucomment the cd-entry03:18
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manveruand uncomment every line that starts with deb or deb-src03:18
manveruexcept this one: # deb http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse03:18
manveruand the deb-src below it03:18
manveruwhen you are done - save it03:19
manveruand type 'sudo apt-get update' in the console03:19
thedrawerwhat happens now?03:19
manverunow it takes a while to update03:20
thedrawerwanna tell me what I just did?03:20
manveruand after that try 'apt-cache show mozilla-firefox'03:20
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manveruthis is just a bunch of urls03:20
manveruand now apt-get fetches lists of packages from them03:20
manveruand they are the mirrors of the packages03:21
manveruyou can browse them with konqueror as well03:21
manveruto get a feeling how the magic works :)03:21
thedrawerwhere did they go?03:23
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thedrawerthe things it downloaded03:24
thedrawerif I want to browse them03:24
manveruyou can browse them via adept03:24
manverujust do a 'kdesu adept'03:25
manveruor look in your k-menu03:25
thedraweror just click it from the quick menu03:25
manveruyou could have changed your sources in it as well...03:25
manverunow try typing firefox in there03:26
manveru(don't get 3dchess - the name got nothing to do with the graphics)03:26
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nalioththedrawer: if you enable universe and multiverse you'll have over 11,000 programs to play with03:26
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manveruoops, wrong button03:27
thedrawerwhat should I install from these? the firefox and language support?03:27
thedrawerI can get everything from here?03:28
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manveruthere are some very special or very new programs you can't find in there03:28
manverulike the beta of firefox 1.5 :)03:29
thedrawerthank you very much!03:29
nalioththedrawer: most everything you'll need is available via adept03:29
thedrawerI actually tried to manually install it as well03:29
nalioththedrawer: there are things to be said about stability over "bling"03:29
thedrawernalioth: thanks03:29
thedrawernalioth: i know03:29
nalioththedrawer: iow, unlike windows (where the next version promises less crappiness) in linux, the programs aren't crap to start with03:30
thedrawernalioth: why do you think I swtched? :P03:31
manveruthere are many reasons to switch... :)03:32
nalioththedrawer: well, i've noticed lots of windows user who have recently switched fall into the "i have to have the latest thing" and cant wait >6 months 03:32
thedrawerhow do I start the firefox now that I've installed it?03:35
nalioththedrawer: if it's not in your 'internet' menu, you can start it from "run program"03:36
manveruif it doesn't show up in your menu, run 'kappfinder'03:37
manveruit collects missing application and puts them in the menu03:37
thedrawerit's there, but when I try to run it, it begins to load it and then it dissapears03:38
voicucan someone help me with kynaptic? if i want to install any package, it wants to uninstall almost all the other packages...03:39
manverutry to run it in the console03:39
nalioththedrawer: remove or rename your ~/.mozilla/firefox   or ~/.firefox directory03:39
nalioththedrawer: or do as manveru advises03:39
manveruto say it better, just type 'firefox'03:40
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thedrawerdoesn't work03:42
nalioththedrawer: what does the console print out when you type firefox and <enter>?03:42
thedrawerjust the line that's always there03:43
thedrawersomething@something: 03:43
thedrawerI wonder if this has something to do with the symbolic links I created while I was following the tutorial drom the ubuntulinux.org03:44
nalioththedrawer: that is probably what it is03:45
nalioththedrawer: type /usr/bin/firefox 03:45
thedrawerno such directory03:46
thedrawernevermind :D03:46
thedrawerbut it didn't help03:46
thedrawerand I'm getting an awful feeling of deja vu right now03:47
manveruthe odd thing is that it doesn't throw any error03:49
nalioththedrawer: dont follow the forums too closely03:49
manveruwhat does 'whereis firefox' say?03:50
stbainor "which firefox"03:50
Updatedo you believe the sentence "The root of all evil" ?03:50
thedrawerfirefox: /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/X11/firefox /usr/share/man/man1/firefox.1.gz03:50
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metallichello world, a question:03:50
manveruand the error was 'no such directory'?03:50
Updatedo you believe the sentence "The root of all evil" ?03:50
thedrawermanveru: no! just forget that line! my bad :)03:51
manverumetallic: go on - and don't listen to Update :)03:51
metallicyes yes moment :)03:51
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voicucan someone help me with kynaptic? if i want to install any package, it wants to uninstall almost all the other packages...03:53
Updatewhat mdadm ?03:54
Updatewhat is mdadm ?03:54
stbainUpdate: mdadm is the root of all evil03:54
Updatewhy ?03:55
stbainerrr... wait03:55
metallicwhen i add a repository on apt, it search (repository)/debian/sarge/main/amd_64... am i make to make that it holds as i give it (whitout "amd-64"...?03:55
stbainI got that wrong03:55
Updatestbain, i think you are eviler then mdadm03:55
stbainubotu: tell metallic about repositories03:56
stbainUpdate: I believe mdadm is used for software RAID configurations03:56
metallicthanks ubotu, no PM... and thanks stbain!03:56
Updatesoftware RAID ?03:56
Updateso i can have rais with out having raid ?!03:57
stbainubotu is a bot03:57
ubotustbain: Did you get hit by a windmill?03:57
stbainubotu: botsnacks03:57
ubotuthanks stbain :)03:57
Updateso i can have raid with out having raid ?!03:57
metallicis it a bot?03:57
ubotuI heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'03:58
Updatecan i have raid 2 with just one hard drive ?03:58
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stbainubotu: tell update about raid03:58
Updatecant raid work with 2 partitions ?03:58
Updatestbain, i think i know what raid is 03:59
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Updatewhy is kubuntu shiping cdroms free of charge ?04:00
stbainwow that wiki page needs some work04:01
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metallichttp://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/dists/sarge/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: 40404:02
metalliccould not download all repository indexes04:02
manveruUpdate: well, if you look at the word 'ubuntu' it just seems natural04:02
Updatemetallic this is kubuntu not debian 04:02
metallicbut the *.deb binaries run on kubuntu?04:03
manverusome of them04:03
metallicthe problem is on architeture, repository i386 and SO amd64... it search bad index file04:03
Updatemanveru so its a fishing thing ?04:04
manveruyou have to be careful with .deb files for debian - they have some differences to the (k)ubuntu ones04:04
Updatehunting ?04:04
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manveruUpdate: no, 'ubuntu'=>'towards humanity' and giving away cds for free is indeed a gift to humanity04:05
Updatehas bin laden requested a cdrom yet ?04:05
manveruhe is in custody afaik...04:06
stbainshhh... that's classified04:06
Updateso i guess ubuntu is worth for something 04:06
manveruat least for giving you some hours of fun04:07
Updatethat depends on wich side of kubuntu you are04:07
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manveruhey vulcanoo04:08
vulcanooi have a probleme with playing mp3 with amarok04:08
vulcanoohy manveru04:08
manveruubotu: tell vulcanoo about mp304:08
vulcanoowhen i try to play mp3 there is no sound04:09
vulcanooit works fine with xmms04:09
Updatemanveru, do you think manging my bank acount using ubuntu yould work ?04:09
metallicno possibility to use i386 repositories?04:09
manveruthree questions at once :)04:09
manveruvulcanoo: please check your sound-configuration in amarok04:10
manveruUpdate: i do that, using my browser...04:10
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manverumetallic: there is the possibility... i just don't know how04:10
vulcanoomanveru: ok i have gtseamer engine04:10
manveruvulcanoo: now check the configuration in xmms04:10
metallicvulcanoo: install and use the arts engine04:10
metallicgtseamer don't play mp304:11
vulcanoomanveru: ok but now i am not in front of my desktop04:11
manveruit does - but you have to get gstreamer-mp3 or something like that04:11
vulcanoometallic: it is a bug?04:11
Update gstreamer i from ubuntu this is kubuntu04:11
manveruno - a feature...04:11
manveruonly kidding :)04:11
manveruwait a second, i'll look it up04:11
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metallicit is a bug...? what?04:12
Updatevulcanoo, you need lib-mad you wierdo 04:12
manveruvulcanoo: have you got the win32codecs04:12
vulcanoometallic: gstreamer doesnt play mp3: it is a bug?04:12
_tempamarok use gstreamer as default and it works with mp304:12
metallicnono a feature04:12
Updateamarok uses arts04:13
RaReHow do i "run as root" - i'm trying to install the nvidia driver but it keeps saying ERROR: nvidia-installer must be run as root04:13
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RaRecan anyone help please?04:13
vulcanoomanveru: yes i have erevy thing04:13
manveruRaRe: 'sudo whateveryouwanttodo'04:13
manveruubotu: tell RaRe about root04:13
metallicon shell digit "su" and the root password04:13
RaRethank you04:13
RaRewhat's do04:13
Updatebut the X wont start :)04:13
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vulcanooUpdate: i will try arts04:13
manverumetallic: there is no root in (k)ubuntu04:14
Updatevulcanoo, you need lib-mad you wierdo 04:14
stbainthere is, but it's disabled04:14
stbain(root that is)04:14
metallicyes: "sudo passwd" this set the root password04:14
vulcanoowhy amarok is so complicated to set up?04:14
manverumetallic: why the hell do you want that?04:14
Updateyou gota luv ubuntu security technologies :-)04:15
vulcanooplease manveru:so gstreamer works with amarok?04:15
manveruso, need to do some real work now - hope you get along using the great and almighty google04:15
manveruvulcanoo: maybe - haven't used it04:16
Updateamarok uses arts04:16
Updateamarok uses arts04:16
_tempI use gstreamer with amarok04:16
Updateisntall ALSA 04:16
manveruUpdate: amarok uses what you tell to use04:16
metallicarts play mp3!04:16
Updateyou need lib-mad to play mp304:17
vulcanoook i will try arts.But what's gstreamer,arts?04:17
manveruvulcanoo: gstreamer is another sound-engine04:17
UpdateALSA is better04:17
tenco_is there a package to typeset sheet music in kubuntu?04:18
Updategstreamer is from gnome :P04:18
vulcanoomanveru: a sound engine?????04:18
metallicon ubuntu is very difficulty mp3 playing...04:18
vulcanoobut what are alsa and oss?04:18
metallicbut on kubuntu it's easy...04:19
Updateits easy ?04:19
manveruvulcanoo: these are the drivers in the kernel04:19
ubotump3 is, like, a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - click away:)04:19
Glin|JolWinamp  5.10 Stopped04:19
metallicUpdate: yes, install arts04:20
metallicit's included on Kubuntu 5.10 DVD04:20
manverumetallic: arts is in kde already04:20
Updatehow do i get winamp on linux ?04:20
manveruUpdate: you don't get winamp on linux04:20
Updatethat sucks04:20
manveruUpdate: no - amrok is better anyway...04:20
Updateisnt xmms winamp ?04:20
Updateno its not04:21
metallicwinamp don't exist for linux, but an winamp-like media player (it run whit the winamp skins) is beep-media-player04:21
manveruxmms = X MultiMedia System04:21
Updateisnt it noatun ?04:21
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manveruthere are loads of mp3-players04:21
Updatenoatun is winamp for linux 04:21
Tm_TamaroK <304:21
manverujust try some04:21
manverunoatun sucks (only my opinion)04:22
Tm_TUpdate: there is not "winamp for linux"04:22
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Updatenoatun looks just like winamp04:22
Tm_Tmanveru: it does04:22
Tm_Tdoes not04:22
manveruwell, it doesn't matter for me - nobody says what player i have to use :)04:23
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gibarianHi everyone04:23
Updatemanveru are you vulcano ?04:23
manveruUpdate: are you real?04:24
Updateno im my owne invention04:24
gibarianuh...does anyone know if there's a script for amarok to record streams?04:24
manverugibarian: there might be - but there are lots of other programs who could do that04:24
manverugibarian: try it on the #amarok channel04:25
UpdateYOU NEED LIB-MAD 04:25
UpdateYOU NEED LIB-MAD 04:25
UpdateYOU NEED LIB-MAD 04:25
UpdateYOU NEED LIB-MAD 04:25
gibarianmanveru: thanks04:25
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manverutoo bad i had to add update to my ignore-list... now nobody listens to him anymore04:26
gibarianwhat's his problem?04:26
manveruhe has no real friends..04:26
manverumaybe not even one who could invite him to google-mail...04:27
Updatei have plenty of friends04:27
gibarianoh, just like the rest of us?04:27
tenco_Update: stop that!04:27
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manveruwell, i have got some friends :)04:27
manverutenco_: just ignore him...04:28
Updateare you sure theyr really your friends ?04:28
gibarianoh, I don't. I'm quite lonely really...it's me and my computer04:28
Updatetheyr only after your tech savvy04:28
manveruyeah, but you don't freak out about it04:28
gibarianmanveru: yeah, well, should I? Friends are overrated anyway04:28
manverumost of them are... but to have one or two true friends is really fine04:29
gibarianmanveru: hmm, well, I'll go and find some friends then...take care04:29
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Updatehow needs friends when you got a priest 04:30
Updatemy boss is my bet friend 04:30
Updatebest 04:31
manveruit appears to me that this channel has no operator04:31
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Updatei could be operator in here 04:32
Updateoperators shouldnt have any friends04:32
angeluscohey all, and u don't have friends ?04:32
Updatenot in here04:33
angeluscohahaha, cool04:33
Updatei think soo too04:33
Update manveru is that way to show friendship ?04:33
UpdateCTCP friendship sounds kinky 04:34
angelusco=) hey, i guess u are up to date with linux right? could u tell me how to install a hp scanjet 4400c ???04:34
angeluscoi can't find how to do that04:34
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Updatehave you google it ?04:35
angeluscothere is only information about it is not supported by sane04:35
Updatedo it again and start on the last page04:35
angeluscohow did u make the serach?04:35
angeluscoHP Scanjet 4400c & linux04:35
Updateyour ansering your owne questions now are you ?04:36
angeluscoi looked for it like that, but i can't find how to installed it04:37
Updategoogle shrink & linux 04:37
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Updatehi Danny| 04:37
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Updatehi _melkor 04:37
Updatewe dont use word 04:38
Updatei use kate 04:38
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_melkorso do I04:38
Updatebut you have to save using the MS compatible thingy04:39
angeluscoor openoffice04:39
Updateno open office04:39
Updateeverthing here starts with a K 04:39
_melkorhave you had any luck installing gnuplot on a kubuntu install?04:39
stbainerr... kplot04:40
_melkorI need gnuplot for python...04:40
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ztonzyhey :)04:41
Updateahoy 04:41
ztonzyupdated yesterday to beta04:41
angeluscomy scanner is not supported for linux, lol04:41
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_thedrawer_my firefox doesn't work04:41
ztonzyand now soundserver crashes at every login04:41
angeluscoi will need to keep windogs on my pc just for my fkcn scanner04:41
ztonzyI think I go back to Ubuntu ;)04:41
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Updatestrange HP says it suportes linux04:41
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angelusconeed to remember commands in here04:42
ztonzyangelusco, or better, use serverwindow for all suc commands04:42
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vulcanooOK thanks a lot i will test this evening04:42
_melkorhow about gtk + has anybody tried installing that...wasn't very fun04:43
angeluscoztonzy, ya i guess04:43
Updateangelusco, next your gona disclose your nicks password04:43
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angeluscodisclose my nicks pwd? sorry i don't speak english04:43
vulcanoojust a remarq: in the listbox sound engine i have inly gstreamer04:43
vulcanoomanveru: did you see my message?04:44
Updatehes outr04:44
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Updateworking or something04:44
manveruvulcanoo: wich one?04:44
vulcanooonly one sound engine under amarok04:44
Updateany one rooted kubuntu yet ?04:45
manveruuhm, yeah04:45
_tempvolcanoo:sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg04:45
vulcanoomanveru: so i have to install arts?04:45
manveruamarok-arts - aRts engine for the amaroK audio player04:45
ztonzyanyone have kde 3.5 beta 2 ?04:46
_tempbut gstreamer is the default in 5.10?04:46
Updateyou need lib-mad for mp304:46
manveruthis one should help04:46
manveruit is?04:46
manverumaybe in ubuntu04:46
Updateany one using FUSE  ?04:47
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_tempmanveru: Our Kaffeine video player and AmaroK music player now use the GStreamer media framework, a large range of GStreamer plugins are available to support a wide range of different media file formats.04:48
manveruah, k04:48
manverudidn't know about that04:48
manveruso upgrading the gstreamer is a better idea04:48
UpdateGStreamer is from gnome04:48
_melkorI think my problem is a missing package, which is probably in kynaptic...what packages might I need for x11?04:49
Updatewhat is your problem ?04:49
_tempUpdate: I will just ignore what you're saying04:49
manveru_temp: yeah, join the club :)04:49
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manveruvulcanoo: ok, try 'apt-cache search gstreamer-*'04:50
Updatehi raphink 04:50
manveruthis should give you a good overview about the extensions for gstreamer04:50
Updateisnt gstreamer for podcasts ?04:51
Updateisnt gstreamer for shoutcasts ??04:51
Updatei mean streaming meadia across the internet04:52
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_melkorWhen I ./configure in gnuplot directory it seems to go fine.  Then when I make it has an error about a missing makeinfo commmand not found04:57
angeluscoc yall later04:58
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angeluscohey pahink howdy04:58
angeluscoraphink howdy04:58
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stbainheh... _melkor: try this05:00
stbainin your gnuplot directory05:00
stbainrm -rf gnuplot*05:01
stbainsudo apt-get install gnuplot05:01
angeluscoc ya later, say hi to raphink for me05:01
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_melkorcan I just do the sudo apt...05:02
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_melkorusing the sudo apt-get is that similar to using kynaptic?05:06
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dennis_pyes kynaptic and adept are gui's running apt-get05:07
mornfalldennis_p: wha?05:07
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_melkorwould that recognize nescessary packages?05:07
_melkoror only if they are in the kynaptic data base?05:08
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dennis_pfirst 'apt-get update' to refresh like the button on kynaptic05:09
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dennis_pI prefered synaptic over manual apt-get as that seemed to fix simple collisions automatically, I guess adept in the kubuntu k-menu does the same.05:12
_melkorIt doesn't like gnuplot05:12
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_melkorso gnuplot was asking about makeinfo, I installed texinfo something or other and now it is cool with that but I still don't have x1105:15
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LeeJunFanheh, Update get kicked much?05:16
Updatejust for your reading pleasure05:16
seaLneanyone know how you turn off the stupid text completion in the search box in konqueror?05:17
_seezerseaLne: using beta1 or beta2?05:18
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seaLnejust 3.4.305:19
seezeranyway - did you enable 'google advanced search' in your web shortcuts?05:19
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seaLne*i* didn't05:19
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seezerit's no default05:20
seezeris it enabled?05:20
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seaLneits listed if thats what you mean05:21
seezerseaLne: i mean if the checkbox is active05:21
seaLnethe "enable web shortcuts" checkbox?05:21
seezerthis and the one beside google advanced search05:22
seaLnethere isn't one beside google advanced search05:22
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seezerhm. this should be it. do you have a 'select search engines...' when you click once on the google logo in the searchbox05:23
seezerdon't know if this existed in 3.4.305:23
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seaLneif i click on the logo i et a list of search things05:24
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gibarianhello everyone....is there a way to have a fixed mountpoint for a USB mass storage device?05:24
seezergibarian: i think suse manages this by reading a ID and having the mountpoint using this id, but don't ask me how they do it. did you try google?05:25
seaLneseezer: got it i need to right click on the search box then select text completion then change it to none :)05:26
seaLneseezer: hmm actually that dosen't help05:26
gibarianyeah, tried google...there was something where someone used udev to have a fixed mountpoint for a stick...but that didn't work out05:26
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seezerseaLne: ah. do you mean the completition of words you typed in there or automatic 'guessing' like google advanced search does?05:27
seaLnecompletion of words i type in there05:27
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dennis_pThere is a script for kanotix which is more advanced but also based on debian that auto mounts usb05:28
seezergibarian: suse uses udev too, but again, no idea of the implementation. there seems to be a usb-device id they read05:28
seaLneit gets very frustrating when i'm trying to paste a search query in, i have so far searched for ruby bridges about a dozen times today05:28
dennis_pI was surprised kubuntu does not do it by default yet05:28
seezerdennis_p: automount or to a fixed mountpoint?05:28
dennis_pdon't know05:28
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seezerautomount works fine here - with any usb device05:29
seezerseaLne: then your right-click thingy should be it.. 05:29
seezeri like it, so i leave it active :)05:29
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libbenHTTP Cache Cleaner just popped up. =) and it been loading for along time. im running firefox. anyone got this too ?05:31
libbenit never seems to stop05:31
gibarianseeze: thanks...i'll look into it05:34
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libbenkan i kill something with xkill if its in the Kde Bar at the bottom?05:38
libbenit never seems to stop05:38
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BroxtorHi. I'm trying to get lirc to work in Kubuntu, but I get the following error message05:41
Broxtorreadlink() failed for "/dev/lirc"05:41
BroxtorDoes someone know how to solve this?05:41
dennis_plibben yes had that too in konqueror, only killed kicker though. kubuntu doesn't even have default process manager I think05:42
raphinksure it does dennis_p 05:42
raphinkgets to the process manager, ksysguard05:43
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libbenhmm. it just went away. it was doing something for about 10 mins05:43
raphinklibben: when you need to kill a program, ksysguard can be called by pressing ctrl+esc05:43
raphinkelse it can be killed from a console, which is better ;)05:43
dennis_pok, last time that did nothing for me. next time you can kill it with ctrl+esc I learned:-)05:44
libbeni couldent find it in console05:44
libbendid ps uxa05:44
wasp_emsdo u know where i can find decoders to watch movies05:44
libbenbut dident find anything that was named something like HTTP Cache Cleaner.05:44
raphinkyou can do more than killing with ksysguard dennis_p ;)05:44
raphinkyou can reassignate priorities, etc.05:44
raphinkubotu: tell wasp_ems about w32codecs05:44
dennis_pI like it for killin! ;-)05:44
raphinkwouldn' t be named this way libben 05:45
libbenwhat would it be called then =)05:45
raphinkanyone here knows a good digital voice recorder?05:45
raphinkno idea libben ;)05:46
raphinkusing ksysguard can help you finding what process is using the proc a lot05:46
wasp_emsalthough i cannt access the site for some reason..05:48
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raphinkwasp_ems: did you search on google ?05:48
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wasp_emsi am now05:49
raphinksearch for `w32codecs ubuntu deb'05:49
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judaxwasp_ems: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats05:49
judaxwasp_ems: ubotu would have told you that but did not for some reason05:50
raphinkubotu gave another url05:50
ubotuI haven't a clue, raphink05:50
raphinkit seems ubotu should be reconfigured for w32codecs05:50
raphinkthe url it gives doesn't work05:50
judaxRestrictedFormats wiki page should explain all05:50
raphinkyes judax 05:51
judaxok, sorry if I caught the tail-end of the conversation05:51
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annedore1963guten tag05:53
raphinkjudax: do yo uknow anything about digital voice recorders?05:53
raphinkhier ist Englisch gesprochen annedore1963 05:53
seezerhier wird :)05:53
annedore1963schade...denn das kann ich nicht05:53
raphinkannedore1963: /join #kubuntu-de05:53
annedore1963ich hab nur eine frage zu kubuntu05:54
raphinkda kannst du Deutsch sprechen05:54
annedore1963raphink und wie komm ich dahin?habe linox erst ein paar tage05:54
seezerannedore1963: einfach so eingeben wie es da steht. /join #kubuntu-de05:55
raphink /join #kubuntu-de05:55
judaxraphink: no, sorry, have not worked with digital voice recorders05:55
raphinkciao annedore1963 05:55
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annedore1963da ist keiner und bei euch kann ich wohl auch keine hilfe erwarten obwohl ihr deutsch knnt05:56
raphinkannedore1963: has du das `/join #kubuntu-de' Sache verstanden?05:56
annedore1963raphink sicher,aber da bin ich alleine05:56
raphinknein annedore1963 05:56
raphinkda bin ich auch05:56
raphinkund anderen Personen05:56
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raphinkhow do you say `type' seezer ?05:57
wasp_emsstill cant get w32 codecs..it does not open the link 05:57
dennis_praphink: the ogg vorbis codecs are nice for voice so seacrh for support for that and it'll likely have good linux support too05:57
seezerraphink: tippen05:57
seezerraphink: you mean to type?05:58
raphinkwasp_ems: did you have a look at the restricted format entry on the wiki?05:58
raphinkseezer: yes to type /join #kubuntu-de05:58
wasp_emsyes...and when i click the link to download it does not open05:58
wasp_ems404 error05:58
judaxwasp_ems: which link?05:58
seezeryes, its '/join ... tippen'05:58
raphinkannedore1963: du mut `/join #kubuntu-de' tippen05:58
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annedore1963raphink sicher tu ich das05:58
raphinkdennis_p: i mean a voice recorder, like a machine05:58
raphinkjetzt bist du da05:59
dennis_pyeah get one with ogg vorbis support05:59
raphinkdennis_p: any suggestion?05:59
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raphinkmy mom has had several05:59
raphinkand all the ones she had were bad05:59
raphinkthe last one was an olympus05:59
raphinkand it didn't even work on linux05:59
dennis_por do you mean a phone answering machine05:59
wasp_emsraphink: where else can i find the w32??05:59
judaxwasp_ems: you don't download them from that page06:00
raphinkI'll give you the repos I use wasp_ems 06:00
judaxwasp_ems: opps, sorry my mistake, it does tell you to do that06:00
raphinkwasp_ems: PM06:01
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manveruis there a kind of top for network-traffic?06:16
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DHGE_manveru: apt-cache search network |grep traffic06:18
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manveruty :)06:18
Updateany anti bush persons in here ?06:18
adnani need help pls06:18
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Heleborusmanveru, ntop06:19
adnani want to install the yahoo messenger and msn messenger  how ?06:19
adnanwhat ?06:19
Rockett18adnan.. you cannot install the windows versions of Yahoo and MSN and instead would have to install Kopete06:19
Tm_Tuse Kopete06:19
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manveruHeleborus: how do i use ntop when i have got installed it?06:19
manveruHeleborus: it seems to be some kind of server06:19
Rockett18sudo apt-get install kopete06:19
Rockett18you can access both msn and yahoo from there06:20
adnanRockett18: so i have to install kopete?06:20
adnanim new06:20
Updateapt-get install evil-axis06:20
adnanand i dont know anything06:20
adnansoirry if im bothering06:20
jaawoodor gaim06:20
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Rockett18adnan> yep.. or as jaawood says you can also use Gaim06:20
Rockett18personally I prefer gaim06:20
Updatei use AMSN06:20
jaawoodi personally like it more than kopete, but its your preference06:20
adnanhow i do install al lthis?06:20
jaawoodsudo apt-get install gaim06:21
Rockett18open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install gaim06:21
jaawoodim not sure if kopete supports jabber, but gaim does i know, which is really nice because it is then compatible with google talk06:21
Updatesudo dosent need password ?06:21
UpdateGREAT 06:21
Dasnipa`sudo needs a password of course06:22
Dasnipa`it saves the pass for ~15 mins06:22
Dasnipa`and i imagine theres a way to force the 'unsaving' of it sooner 06:22
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jaawoodDasnipa`, do you know if there is any way to change how long it saves the password for?06:22
Updatewho cares about passwords06:24
Updateots a open community FCOL06:24
Updateits a open community FCOL06:24
Updatedoes O goes into FCOL ?06:25
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zepharhi all06:30
zepharim new to linux, but really enjoying it so far =)06:30
raphinkgood news :)06:30
zepharbeen trying get a couple thigns answered and donno if im typing it confusing on the forums or im just to impatient with excitment as really over years have enjoyed using alternatives to windows06:32
zepharmy first problem is im trying to find a way to use shoutcase reliably06:32
zepharer shoutcast rofl06:33
zepharsorry im waking up. ive tried several and seem work ok with the audio but not going to far with video06:34
zepharis there a way to update the codecs?06:34
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_xuniLvlc player should have the codecs you whant....06:35
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zepharso far vlc will open everthing, but06:36
zepharis VP6.2 supported quite yet in linux?06:37
manveruwhat is VP6.2?06:38
zepharits a video codec06:38
zepharone sec ill get you a link06:39
manverunp, i speak google06:39
manveruwait a second06:39
zepharok thanx06:40
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manverulooks like some basic support exists...06:43
zepharhow do I install it? 06:43
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zephari typed in adept vp6 but nothign comes up ;(06:44
ilba7rwhich you recommend kde-desktop or kubuntu-desktop what is the difference?06:44
manveruwell, it is not for ubuntu yet afaik06:44
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manveruit is integrated in medialinux06:44
manveruilba7r: i suggest you use kubuntu-desktop - it should have all dependencies that you might need06:45
zepharok so if I download medialinux***.deb i can get it that waT?06:45
ilba7rok will try it manveru06:45
manverumedialinux is a distribution for DSPs06:45
zepharKUBUNTU seems realyly nice liba7r i went through several flavors and im stuck here now=)06:46
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ilba7rinstalling it now zephar06:46
manveruzephar: http://distrowatch.com/medialinux06:46
manveruthe codecs for vp6 are properitary - so i guess it will take some time until we see it widely used06:47
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zepharthanx for your help manveru. 06:49
zepharone more quest dont mind there are some files in the debain repository i need that are not part of the universe ones in kubuntu is there an automated way of getting em just like how i use adept? do i install another program or add a url?06:49
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angeluscoKaoticEvil, are u there ?06:55
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zephartheres some debian packages I want whats easiest way to install those do i have to install them by hand or is there an automatred way like how you use adept?07:01
Riddellzephar: which packages?07:01
angeluscoKaoticEvil, are u there ?07:02
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zepharone example would be mplayer07:02
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zephartheres several games like open civ open tty07:02
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Kinomeeswhat to do with .themerc files ?07:02
Riddellzephar: mplayer is in multiverse07:03
frank23zephar: never install packages from debian repositories. there are basically all in universe and multiverse07:03
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pollerfumeI tried both mplayer from source and mplayer in mulitverse: the mplayer in the repos has some glitches07:04
manveruKinomees: where did you get them?07:04
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manveruKinomees: these are kde-themes most definitly07:06
Kinomeesyes but how to apply them07:06
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manveruKinomees: start kcontrol07:06
zephari wan open civ though and open tty and there not in adept just double checked shoudl I go to there websites then and installl them that way?07:06
manveruKinomees: and in the appearance - there should be a styles-entry07:07
manveruKinomees: you can add new themes there, just click the 'add theme' button07:07
manveruKinomees: not sure these names are all fitting for the english version - just got the german here07:07
Kinomeesit will not recognise that kind of file07:08
manveruwait a second07:08
manveruKinomees: what theme do you havE?07:08
rikvaI have an ext3 disk in my fstab with options "auto,user". I can mount it as user, but I have no write rights. What to do?07:09
Kinomeesgreen on black07:09
Kinomeesgot it from kde-look.org07:10
manveruKinomees: no, i mean the one you want to add07:10
manveruKinomees: let me try it07:10
manveruKinomees: is it a color-style?07:11
Kinomeesno it is a theme/style from www.kde-look.org07:12
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manveruKinomees: version 1 or 2?07:12
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manveruKinomees: well, both are for older kde-versions07:13
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manveruKinomees: there is no guarantee they will work07:13
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Kinomeesok tnx07:14
manveruKinomees: i'll not try it, because i will lose my current style then :)07:14
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manveruKinomees: but i can try to open it07:14
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manveruKinomees: i guess i have the solution07:19
manverudo a 'locate *.themerc'07:20
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wasp_emssp@kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install j2re1.407:33
wasp_emsReading package lists... Done07:33
wasp_emsBuilding dependency tree... Done07:33
wasp_emsPackage j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.07:33
wasp_emsThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or07:33
wasp_emsis only available from another source07:33
wasp_emsE: Package j2re1.4 has no installation candidate07:33
wasp_emswasp@kubuntu:~$                                       07:33
wasp_emsi am trying to access my windows partition but i cant...the file which accesses it is locked...anyone know what i can do?07:40
wasp_emscan u help me on how to mount windows partition?07:42
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jaawoodare you looking to read and write, or just read?07:43
jaawoodi would recommend only reading07:43
wasp_emsfor now just read07:43
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jaawoodi borrowed this from the unofficial ubuntu 5.04 guide, but it works fine for newer versions of kubuntu and ubuntu07:44
jaawoodsudo mount /dev/<partition> /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=022207:45
jaawoodreplacing <partition> with your windows partition07:45
jaawoodyou don't necessarily have to mount it in /media/windows07:45
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jaawoodadn you will probably have to create that directory with $sudo mkdir /media/windows07:46
wasp_emsmmm command not found07:47
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jaawoodwhich command?07:48
wasp_emseither mounting either mkdir07:48
adnanhow i can install mIRC or bx ? i dont like this irc chat client07:48
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manveruadnan: there are lots of clients out there07:50
jaawoodwasp_ems, you should definitely have mount and mkdir, they come standard with all distributions07:50
manveruadnan: bx == bitchX?07:51
jaawoodwhat exactly did you enter into the terminal?07:51
wasp_emssudo mount/dev/hda1/media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=0222 07:51
adnanmanveru:  yes07:52
adnancan i install it ?07:52
manveruadnan: sure...07:52
adnanhow ?07:52
manveruadnan: only wonder what is better in bitchx but it's a matter of taste07:52
manveru'sudo apt-get install bitchx'07:53
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morrowwasp_ems: mount /dev... (missing space)07:53
adnanmanveru:  can i pm you?07:53
manveruadnan: sure07:53
jaawoodwasp_ems, add spaces between 'mount' and '/dev/hda1' and also between '/dev/hda1' and '/media/windows'07:53
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adnanmanveru:  icant pm u.. i'm not registered07:54
manverulet's go to #adnan07:54
wasp_emsok..it does that but how do i create the directory?07:54
jaawoodsudo mkdir /media/windows07:55
skudkillersomeone can help me about "sudo"07:55
wasp_emsmmm ok...but how do i delete a file from there...fucked it up07:56
KaoticEvilubotu:  tell skudkiller about sudo07:56
wasp_emshow can i delete a directory from media?07:56
jaawoodsudo rmdir /media/windows07:56
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jaawoodbut make sure your drive isn't mounted07:57
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wasp_emssudo mount/dev/hda1/media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=0222 07:58
wasp_emssudo mount /dev/hda1/ media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=022207:58
wasp_emsmount: mount point media/windows/ does not exist07:58
jaawoodyou need to add a '/' before 'media/windows'07:59
wasp_emsmount: unknown filesystem type 'unmask=0222'08:00
jaawoodsudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=022208:00
jaawoodcopy that exactly08:00
wasp_emscheck private08:02
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wasp_emswhere is the contol center????????????????08:21
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wasp_emswhere is the splash screen option?08:22
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egatshi wasp_ems08:26
egatswhat seems to be the problem?08:26
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BlankCwasp_ems: splash is part of /boot/grub/menu.lst its the option called splash08:32
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wasp_emshello egats...i actually want to change my splash picture08:46
wasp_emsdoes any one know where the setting for splash screens is?08:48
thoreauputicat a guess, in kdm_config08:50
thoreauputicprobably in kcontrol somewhere08:50
wasp_emsi cant find kcontol though08:50
egatstry the desktop module :)08:51
libbenkcontrol == system settings wasp_ems [18:46]  <manveru> zephar: http://distrowatch.com/medialinux08:51
manverukcontrol == kcontrol08:52
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egatsKMenu-->System Settings-->Desktop-->Splash Screen08:53
wasp_emsfound it...thanx08:54
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metallichow i found the file ".xinitrc"???08:56
manverumetallic: what do you need it for?08:56
metallici can add a DE08:57
manverua DE?08:57
metallicyes, XPDE08:57
KaoticEvilDesktop Environment08:57
manveruDesktop Environment?08:57
manveruah ,k08:57
manveruit is in your home-folder for default08:58
manveruwhatever a XPDE is08:58
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wincidehi all :D08:58
thoreauputicand the Debian/Ubuntu equivalent of .xinitrc is .xsession BTW08:59
metallicah...-Decompress the tar.gz in /usr/share as root -Edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this line: /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde (and) -Start X08:59
wincidei have one question ... does the kubuntu dvd instalation come with the same packages as the kubuntu cd instalation ?? without the live part i mean ...08:59
metallicah ok i don't found .xinitrc on my home folder09:00
wasp_emswell...when i download a prog how do i install it??i write sudo apt-get install and the name of the file, but it does not find it..i just downloaded it on my desktop09:00
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metallicon my home folder don't have .xsession...09:01
egatswasp_ems: did you download a package, or source?09:01
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metallicfucker XFCE, crash...09:04
metallicfucked XFCE...09:04
wasp_emsegats: ?????09:04
libbenany good direct connect client to reccomend? 09:05
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egatswasp_ems: why not just use Adept?09:05
egatsit's better for n00bs09:06
libbenSynaptic is still the king thou09:06
libbenbut adept is getting stronger09:06
manveruwell, adept has some flaws...09:07
wasp_emsi just downloaded it from a site..cant i just use it?09:07
egatstry adding the path to the filename09:07
KaoticEvilanyone care to help with a sound problem?09:07
KaoticEvilxmms keeps giving me an error to check that nothing else is using the sound system09:08
KaoticEviland i know there is nothing thats using it09:08
egatswasp_ems: sudo apt-get install ~/Desktop/package_name09:08
KaoticEvilit seems to be a random error too09:08
metallici can add an link for XPDE (usr/share/xpde/bin/"sh startxpde") on a Kubuntu login screen, which file i must to modify?09:09
wasp_emsegats: i tried it does not work either09:09
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nalioth_zZzmetallic: monkey-see monkey-do a .desktop file in your /usr/share/xsessions/09:11
nalioth_zZzmetallic: do not delete the file you use for a template09:11
egatswasp_ems: i've never tried apt, sorry09:11
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wasp_emsok..never mind i will do it through adept09:12
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egatswasp_ems: i don't think you need the  ".deb"09:13
metallicah yes... /xsession/... kde.desktop & xfce4.desktop09:13
metallicahi ahi ahi the syntax is difficulty...09:14
C0r3Dumpanyone knows an Euro conversor, good, pretty and light09:17
kinfoi don't understand.09:17
egatsi think he means converter09:17
C0r3Dumpyes I thinl thats the correct word09:17
C0r3Dumpconverter, not conversor (sorry)09:17
metallichi world! Food time... :)09:18
egatshave you searched the repos? i'm sure there's an applet09:18
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C0r3DumpI found (in www.kde-apps.org) keurocalc09:19
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egatsso search aptitude or synaptic for keurocalc09:19
wasp_emshow do i install an rpm package???09:19
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C0r3Dumpbut nothing in repositories09:20
egatswasp_ems: you don't.09:20
egatswasp_ems: b/c kubuntu is debian based09:20
wasp_emsand rpm is?09:20
C0r3Dump(i've done it, nothing in repository, i hava source code, but it not light enough ..)09:21
Dasnipa`rpm is like hedhat right?09:21
Dasnipa`you can convert to deb format though09:21
Dasnipa`i believe09:21
egatswasp_ems: get a converter?09:21
nalioth_zZzconverting rpms is not advised09:21
wasp_emsis it better to download the source?09:21
nalioth_zZzwasp_ems: what do you want to install?09:21
C0r3Dumpwith alien09:21
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C0r3Dumpalien --to-deb paquete-1.0.rpm09:22
egatswasp_ems: why not just get the deb package instead?09:22
wasp_emsif i find it09:22
wasp_emsanyway thanx alloyt09:22
naliothwasp_ems: building from source is always advised  over using non ubuntu things09:22
C0r3Dumpbut using alien must be your final chance09:22
naliothubuntulog: tell wasp_ems about checkinstall09:23
zepharI dont think i have all the reositories setup for adept as I I dont have files like mplayer. what urls should I add in??? I activated all the non active09:23
naliothubotu: tell wasp_ems about checkinstall09:23
naliothubotu: tell zephar about mplayer09:23
C0r3Dumpdeb ftp://ftp.cica.es/mirrors/Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free09:23
wasp_emsthanx nalioth but did that ages ago09:24
C0r3Dumpyou can dowload it from here09:24
zepharthanx nalioth09:24
C0r3Dumpmplayer and w32codec 09:24
naliothC0r3Dump: please dont hand out non ubuntu repos, mplayer is available in official repos09:25
nalioth!info mplayer-58609:25
ubotumplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB09:25
naliothC0r3Dump: see? it's in multiverse09:25
naliothunofficial repos cause trouble09:25
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C0r3Dump?? i've been using it for a long time and i have never had problems ....09:26
kinfoNo match for "i've"09:26
C0r3Dumpbut i use m-player 386 ,)09:27
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naliothC0r3Dump: i do things that would make most ubuntu devs cringe, but i dont advise doing them (even tho i've had no problems)09:27
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wasp_emsif i download a package in source...do i install it the same way??09:30
naliothwasp_ems: if you grab a source pkg, you'll need to build it09:30
naliothwasp_ems: use "checkinstall" intead of "make install"09:30
wasp_emsi dont know how to build it?09:30
wasp_emswith checkinstall what will happen?09:31
naliothwasp_ems: did you read the info ubotu sent you about checkinstall/09:31
wasp_emsnot yet09:32
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naliothwasp_ems: do you know how to compile software?09:33
KaoticEvilcan i use more than one package name at a time with apt-get?09:33
wasp_emsand i did not get exactly what ubotu told me09:33
naliothwasp_ems: join #kubuntu-offtopic please09:33
naliothKaoticEvil: you surely may09:34
KaoticEvilsweet :>09:34
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gambixhi to all09:35
gambixi need help about my nvidia driver09:35
gambixin the forum it seem to be easy ut ...09:35
gambixFailed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)09:35
gambixafter installation it crash with this error message09:36
gambixany purpose ?09:36
gambixi'm on breezy with kde 3.5 beta 209:36
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Cheapieman i wish i could open lzh in linux09:39
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naliothCheapie: you can't?09:40
Cheapieyeah, i can't even preview i don't think either hmm09:40
naliothyou should be lzh enabled09:41
Cheapievery strange09:42
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KaoticEvilCheapie:  http://www.7-zip.org/ ;)09:42
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naliothKaoticEvil: Cheapie wants it built into the system09:43
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Cheapiei just want to extract .lzh files :(09:44
etamhi, do You know how can i extract files from *.bin and *.cue cd image file without mounting it?09:44
naliothetam: use binchunker to convert it to iso09:44
KaoticEvilah.. ok09:44
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etamnalioth: but i dont want na iso, i need files from it09:44
naliothCheapie: it's strange that you dont have it 09:44
naliothetam: i have no clue how to extract things from bin/cue or iso w/o mounting them first09:45
libbenI just plugged in a old saitek gamepad on the soundcard's gameport... and im in system settings. now what.... im in the joystick options. but it appears not to be showing. do i need to restart the box to get it seen by the system?09:45
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libbenor can i restart something?09:45
etamnalioth: so how can i mount it in kubuntu?09:45
etamnalioth: any program with gui?09:45
naliothetam: not to my knowledge09:46
etamnalioth: and without gui?09:46
naliothetam: as i mentioned, i'm not up on mounting things like that09:47
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etamnalioth: ok, thanks09:47
Cheapie4.20 doesn't support lzh09:47
etamanyone knows something to mount cd images?09:48
etamlike deamontools inwindows09:48
libbenI just plugged in a old saitek gamepad on the soundcard's gameport... and im in system settings. now what.... im in the joystick options. but it appears not to be showing. do i need to restart the box to get it seen by the system?09:48
libbenanyone ?09:50
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libbennalioth: u know anything on getting a gamepad alive?09:50
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_thedrawer_how do I restart X?09:51
naliothlibben: i do not09:51
nalioth_thedrawer_: ctrl-alt-bksp09:51
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C0r3Dumpetam: maybe MountISO or Kiso09:54
LeeJunFananyone know an easy way to get newly added apps to show up on my kde menu? :)09:54
LeeJunFanI just installed koffice and I don't want to do it all by hand.09:54
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: thanks.09:55
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: well that only looks for non kde apps. :(09:55
LeeJunFango figure.09:55
bhnaLeeJunFan: menue editor09:56
LeeJunFanbhna: yeah, the point is not to add 8 applications by hand. Why, when they are kde apps are they not being added to the system menudir?09:57
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bhnaLeeJunFan: wich package do you use?09:57
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etamC0r3Dump: thank You09:57
LeeJunFanbhna: just installed koffice09:57
LeeJunFanbhna: didn't there used to be a update-menus or some such thing?09:58
LeeJunFanah, that was probably before the freedesktop crap and the move to xml for the menu. I love when new standards prompt throwing away things that work for those that aren't finished yet.09:59
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan:  tried KAppFinder?09:59
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: yeah, it only looks for non-kde apps.09:59
KaoticEvildoh.. that sucks09:59
bhnathey should. take a lokk at this debs http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice14209:59
LeeJunFanWell, I guess I might be able to get away with copying the stuff from /usr/share/applnk/Office to my ~ dir.10:00
LeeJunFanbhna: looking now.10:00
noirequusLeeJunFan: did you install it using adept?10:01
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LeeJunFannoirequus: no, synaptic. Therin probably lies the problem eh.10:01
bhnaLeeJunFan: synaptic isn't the prob. you can use adept, synaptic or apt-get install10:03
noirequusLeeJunFan: not at all, it should update the menus whichever apt method you use10:03
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LeeJunFanit's all in /usr/share/applnk/Office, but of course cp'ing that to my $HOME/.kde/share/applnk doesn't do the trick.10:04
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bhnahae you restart the kicker?10:05
bhnathe menu config is in $Home/.congig/*.xml10:06
LeeJunFanbhna: yeah, that's what I was just looking for - thanks.10:06
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LeeJunFanbhna: yeah, it doesn't show up in menu editor either.10:06
bhnaLeeJunFan: .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu10:07
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LeeJunFanbhna: yeah, now I wonder if there's a simple command to import the stuff from the applnk dir format to the file.10:07
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LeeJunFanbhna: I'll ask that in #kde.10:08
bhnaLeeJunFan: don't know.10:08
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[t0rc] have there been any issues with Breezy Badger and xorg-fgrlx drivers?10:10
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bhna[t0rc] : www.ubuntuforums.org10:12
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[t0rc] anyone using fglrx drivers on breezy?10:16
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Phazemancan someone please help with mldonkey configuration on kubuntu ?10:23
manveruwhat do you need to know Phazeman ?10:24
Phazemanmanveru: i can't get it to have some server list10:24
Phazemanso i see an empty server list in kmldonkey10:25
Phazemanalso, the CLI connection never works but in mandriva i always used to work with CLI10:25
Phazemanmanveru: any idea ?10:26
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manverunot sure10:27
manveruyou are behind a proxy?10:27
Phazemani'm behind dell router10:27
Phazemanyes firewall but emule ports enabled10:28
Phazemanthe problem is that i can't get the list itself  !10:28
manveruwell, i have never used this kmldonkey10:28
manverui only guess there is something wrong with your firewall10:29
Phazemanmanveru: what do you use ?10:30
Phazemanyou connect to the CLI ?10:30
manveruno, the only filesharing i do is via torrent10:30
manveruso i can only guess about your problems10:30
Phazemannm then...10:30
Phazemanyou use ktorrent ?10:30
manverubut it's not too great...10:31
manverui miss something like bitcomet in windows :)10:31
Phazemanwhat servers do you use to look for things ?10:31
manveruwell, just random searching and all the stuff on legaltorrents.com10:32
manveruthere are lots of trackers out there and i don't need lots of stuff anyway10:32
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LeeJunFantorrent is okay as long as you don't need to search.10:36
manveruit works ok for me10:37
manverui listen to electronic music, and this kind of music is created by some random generators anyway :)10:37
LeeJunFanmanveru: hehe, just tried again now that it's in my mind, and it's working for me now too. cool.10:37
manveruso there is flying a _lot_ around10:38
manverusomeone knows why katapult doesn't like kcontrol?10:39
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_choadHi. Hello. Hi.10:40
manveruhi :)10:40
LeeJunFanwhat a choad.10:42
jjessemanveru: don't know on the kcontrol question, but katapult -> system settings works10:42
KaoticEvilis there a way to remap my windows key on my keyboard to bring up the K menu?10:43
manveruhm, yeah - tho i still dislike the system settings a bit10:43
manverusure there is10:43
manveruand a easy one too :)10:43
KaoticEvil... how? :P (just a point in the right direction...)10:43
manverutake a look at system-settings10:44
manveruwait a second10:44
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manverumight be better to take a look at kcontrol10:45
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manveruin regional-stuff&anotherthing10:46
manveruin keyboard-layout10:47
manveruat least i thought it was in there10:50
manverui checked it in kde2.x the last time...10:50
KaoticEvilok, thanks :)10:54
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firephotoare there any xorg 6.9/7 packages available?10:55
serverhey leutz !!   wie kann ich mich in der grafischen oberflsche mit root anmelden ...ha das konto schon mit pw belegt aber der sagt mir das man das nicht darf10:56
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_jacqueshi. licq doesn't connect after closing it for the first time. is this a known issue?10:57
linuxania_jacques: perhaps you should check that from http://www.licq.org/bugs.php10:58
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serverone question ... i would like to login (KDE) root acc but it doesnt work..... i have a root pw registered but kde says that root are not allow @ kde.!     How i can login with root acc11:00
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manveruuse your userpasssword11:01
serveri dont want to log me in with normal user11:02
serveri want to log in me with root11:02
serverlike SUSE for example11:02
Tm_Tserver: you should NOT login to KDE as root11:02
serverno way?11:03
Tm_TI hope you can't because there is no single reason for that11:03
Tm_Tand no point11:03
linuxaniaserver: why exactly did you want to anyway11:03
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serveri want it to become all rights and dont open a console to use admin stuff11:07
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firephotoserver: just use kdesu <app>11:11
serversry but i dont no the app11:12
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serverin console i use su root11:12
serverdid you mean that?11:12
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[t0rc] I've just installed the xorg-fglrx drivers for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, and they do not work. Help?11:14
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manveruthere is no root in (k)ubuntu11:14
firephotono from a konsol or the run dialog (alt+f2)  kdesu kate will give you full write privs for kate to anywhere.11:14
firephotoit prompts for your password.11:14
[t0rc] !ubotu11:14
ubotuYep, that's me! I'm a bot allright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.11:14
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serverno root?? shure?? i use root... and i have only give root pw (to use it)11:15
serveronly KDE says that is not allow to login as root11:16
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Aapzakevenin' room11:19
firephotoserver: you don't need to be root login to kde to do root things with a gui..... that's what kdesu does for you. gives your apps running with a root privlege11:19
Aapzakkdesu does a nice job too11:20
serverok i understand that i dont log me in with root....... but i will look up what kdesu is.....11:20
Aapzakonly thing: he asks me te remember my password, but he never does remember11:20
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serverkde super user?11:21
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Aapzaknormally su stands for switch user11:22
serverthxx @ all11:22
Aapzakyou're welcome :)11:22
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vicksanybody knows why my breezy live won't recognize my rt2500 wifi (d-link dwl-g122)?11:24
[t0rc] anyone using fglrx drivers?11:24
bimberivicks: it may not be supported "out of the box"11:25
ubotuI guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards11:25
Aapzakboth questions, dunno11:25
[t0rc] !ati11:25
ubotuwell, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=1011:25
bimberivicks: have a look there ^^^11:25
vicksok thanks11:26
vicksdamn, i cant't connect to internet w/o wifi, and i can''t get ndiswrapper w/o internet11:27
vickshm, it's strange the rt2500 page on the wiki says the that it is supposed to work in breezy11:29
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[t0rc] anyone help me with ATI drivesr?11:45
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