[12:02] <LjL> manveru: but i think (though just think) linux can keep local time in the hw clock and still get the time right for all users
[12:02] <zer0time> yeah, if it results in no change clock settings booting windows linux
[12:02] <manveru> LjL: yeah, of course it can
[12:02] <manveru> LjL: it's just not standard
[12:03] <LjL> zer0time: let me look it up
[12:03] <zer0time> so what is the package
[12:03] <zer0time> thx
[12:03] <LjL> manveru: well, it's standard enough for it to be an option in the setup... but i'm not quite sure how to change it post-install
[12:03] <dennis_p> wel kubuntu does ask during installation but it's a stupid misleading question.
[12:04] <LjL> zer0time: look, try editing /etc/default/rcS and changing the variable "UTC" to "yes"
[12:04] <manveru> LjL: i never got asked about it in the setup... only about my location
[12:04] <LjL> zer0time: (i would actually have thought "no", but that's what the site says... but if it's already to "yes", then set it to "no" ;)
[12:05] <LjL> zer0time: this is from a Debian howto, so it might not really apply to Ubuntu, but i bet it does
[12:05] <corincole> can anyone tell me how to find a freenode admin?
[12:05] <LjL> manveru: hmm? perhaps i just remember this wrong, it's certainly there in debian
[12:05] <zer0time> its set to yes already
[12:05] <LjL> zer0time: well, my guess is that the site i'm reading just got it the other way round... so, just set it to "no", i think
[12:05] <manveru> corincole: why do you need one?
[12:06] <zer0time> well, dont bother anymore, too late for me, need to rest, tomorrow wil be a hard day, thx anyway, for time an patience
[12:06] <dennis_p> hwclock --localtime
[12:06] <dennis_p> that's what you want
[12:06] <corincole> manveru, i want to ask a few irc questions
[12:06] <zer0time> thx dennis_p 
[12:06] <zer0time> good night to you all
[12:06] <corincole> some of which are server specific, so only they would know
[12:07] <manveru> corincole: like?
[12:09] <manveru> corincole: however, you should find everything on http://freenode.net/ since i really doubt you will find an admin that easy
[12:10] <corincole> well, one u might know
[12:10] <seezer> you'll find one, for sure                                                                                                                      
[12:10] <corincole> how easy is it to set up an irc server on a linux pc?
[12:10] <corincole> i mean, LAMP was easy....
[12:10] <seezer> freenode is a quite friendly network
[12:11] <manveru> ircd is really easy to setup
[12:11] <seezer> but thats not the question you need a freenode admin for, right?
[12:11] <corincole> seezer, that was one
[12:11] <corincole> ;)
[12:11] <manveru> so let's get to the rest of the questions :)
[12:11] <seezer> ok.. then it's to the admins for tonight and i can go to bed :)
[12:11] <corincole> wait a sec
[12:11] <seezer> good night
[12:11] <corincole> seezer: night
[12:12] <manveru> gn8 seezer
[12:12] <kkathman> night seezer :)
[12:12] <kkathman> have a good one :)
[12:12] <seezer> if no long one ;)
[12:12] <seezer> n8 kkathman 
[12:12] <corincole> which package would i need to download from synaptic?
[12:12] <corincole> ircd-ircu?
[12:12] <manveru> corincole: there are a couple of servers out there
[12:13] <kkathman> corincole for apache/php/mysql?
[12:13] <manveru> what do you need it for?
[12:13] <kkathman> I personally like xampp
[12:13] <corincole> kkathman: no, for irc server
[12:13] <kkathman> its easy, and foolproof
[12:13] <kkathman> ohh
[12:13] <corincole> manveru: just want to test a few things
[12:13] <kkathman> xampp btw is the improved lampp
[12:13] <corincole> what does it stand for?
[12:14] <corincole> and anyone, how do i get an irc server?
[12:14] <corincole> :)
[12:14] <kkathman> I think you need ircd for an irc server
[12:14] <corincole> which one
[12:14] <manveru> i guess the ircu should be good enough
[12:14] <kkathman> xampp - you can google it...but its at apachefriends.org I think
[12:14] <manveru> it's a pretty standard one - with some security-features
[12:15] <kkathman> ircd-ircu then
[12:15] <manveru> xampp is for cross apache mysql php p? - for more platforms
[12:15] <manveru> it runs on windows, linux, osx...
[12:15] <kkathman> xampp works under multiple platforms, yes
[12:16] <kkathman> thats what I have installed
[12:16] <kkathman> on my linux
[12:16] <kkathman> its very nice, because its no-fuss
[12:16] <manveru> hmm, i used it for windows
[12:16] <kkathman> just install, run
[12:16] <manveru> because the stuff was so hard to get configured on win
[12:17] <kkathman> its a freakin breeze on linux
[12:17] <manveru> but in linux i use lighttpd, and install a postgresql-server
[12:17] <kkathman> I didnt use it on windows
[12:17] <kkathman> whatever xampp worked for me and it was amazingly easy
[12:18] <manveru> yeah
[12:18] <kkathman> literally, follow their steps on the web site - 3 or 4...and its done
[12:18] <manveru> however, i need to get some sleep now :)
[12:18] <kkathman> night :)
[12:21] <corincole> bbl, installing windows lol
[12:26] <mcscruff> i just installed the latest KDE 3.5 beta 2 and i keep getting an arts sound engine problem when i recieve a noise through kopete
[12:26] <_abbenormal> any one know of a way to get 2 nic to play nice
[12:26] <mcscruff> During the previous startup, KNotify crashed while instantiating KNotify. Do you want to try again or disable aRts sound output?
[12:26] <LjL> mcscruff: on the known problems page there is something about arts, which needs to be downgraded
[12:26] <mcscruff> cheers LjL i will take a look
[12:30] <czertik> holla
[12:30] <mcscruff> LjL i cant see it on there
[12:32] <LjL> mcscruff: but, it's the first problem listed for beta2 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[12:33] <mcscruff> i was reading the rls ones :( stupid me
[12:34] <LjL> ;)
[12:35] <dennis_p> Pff, fixing the clock to windows compatible was actually 'sudo base-config' and changing the silly utc/gmt question then abort making further making changes by using the 'esc' key
[12:35] <LjL> oh well
[12:36] <Kejk_PL> have you noticed hight CPU time comsumption by Amarok 1.3.5 in Kubuntu?
[12:37] <LjL> i've noticed that amarok with gstreamer is slow as hell, especially switching songs
[12:37] <dennis_p> I hope the debian dos installation and its confusing questions get replaced by a graphical installer next kubuntu release.
[12:38] <LjL> dennis_p: i'm used to those question enough... i'd rather like an easier way to find out how to change settings later
[12:38] <LjL> dennis_p: base-config, i would never have thought of... but besides base-config, it'd be nice to have an easy way to know what to debconf to change stuff
[12:39] <dennis_p> 'sudo base-config' :in konsole :-) 
[12:39] <mcscruff> how do you downgrade something :S
[12:39] <Kejk_PL> LjL: with gstreamer sound is 'skipping' (like slideshow in 3D), with xine it takes 30 % of CPU. I have 2.5 Athlon
[12:39] <LjL> Kejk_PL: i think i'm currently just using arts with amarok
[12:39] <Kejk_PL> Event when song is paused!
[12:39] <Kejk_PL> arts doent' work :/
[12:40] <Kejk_PL> I'll try Debian version...
[12:40] <LjL> well, i dunno, but i just hope the sound stuff will be fixed soon, cause its currently a bit of a mess
[12:45] <kkathman> Kejk_PL: did you try using the xine engine?
[12:45] <Kejk_PL> LjL: Dmix should be enabled by default (or something like this). And removed all unnecesary OSS.
[12:45] <kkathman> gstreamer has has some issues
[12:46] <Kejk_PL> kkathman: yes - it is taking 30 % of my Athlon 2.5+ :/
[12:46] <kkathman> WOW
[12:46] <kkathman> ouch
[12:46] <Kejk_PL> sometimes 50 %!
[12:47] <Kejk_PL> to make thing funier, if it is stopped it is OK - so this is not amarok fault. If it is playing mp3 or if it is *paused* it takes so much CPU
[12:48] <kkathman> weird
[12:52] <yhager> Anyone knows what to do with the dreaded "couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:" in kmail?
[01:08] <storkur> Is there any default root pass in kubuntu?
[01:09] <_abbenormal> no
[01:09] <Dasnipa`> there is no root account as a matter of fact i believe
[01:09] <Dasnipa`> use 'sudo'
[01:09] <dennis_p> I like having no root account, its like on Mac OS X
[01:10] <_abbenormal> yup thats right been disabled
[01:10] <_abbenormal> im old linux takes some getting use too
[01:10] <storkur> so... if I want to change file like source.list   owner root?
[01:10] <storkur> what do I do?
[01:11] <LjL> sudo yourfavoriteeditor /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <storkur> aha.... thanks
[01:11] <LjL> also, there is stuff you can uncomment in .bashrc (or somesuch) to have autocompletion work even after typing "sudo"
[01:11] <LjL> i find that handy
[01:12] <LjL> yeah, it's the first-before-last paragraph in .bashrc
[01:13] <_abbenormal> cool
[01:15] <angelusco> i installed mono on my kubuntu but it doesn't work, somebody told me that it is like visual studio (microsoft)
[01:16] <_abbenormal> does anyone here know of a way to make ku work with a wireless nic and a intel nic together
[01:16] <Kejk_PL> 1.3.5 packages from kubuntu.org are broken!
[01:17] <dennis_p> bah, who cares for mono, try using ruby language in kdevelop instead
[01:17] <Kejk_PL> amarok packages
[01:17] <Hobbsee> Kejk_PL: how are they broken?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> which version of kde are you using?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> 3.4.3?
[01:17] <LjL> Kejk_PL: i think it's more like gstreamer AND xine AND arts are broken ;)
[01:18] <Kejk_PL> Hobbsee: xine engine is using 20-50 % of CPU, gstreamer is skipping frames, arts doenst work
[01:18] <Hobbsee> which version of kde?
[01:18] <Kejk_PL> 1.3.1 works very well (from Breezy)
[01:19] <Hobbsee> no, of kde, not of amarok lol
[01:19] <Kejk_PL> ups, 1.3.1: arts engine still deosn't work, breezy + all updates
[01:19] <Kejk_PL> but pofully xine is working good in amarok and kaffeine
[01:20] <jsubl2> well sco provides the laugh for the day
[01:20] <Kejk_PL> */pofully/hopefully
[01:20] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:20] <Kejk_PL> Maybe you know -how to change subtitle font in gstreamer engine in kaffeine?
[01:21] <jsubl2> i don't use gstreamer for anything that has a subtitle font sorry
[01:21] <bur[n] er> how do you get kaffeine to use the xine engine?
[01:21] <jsubl2> sudo apt-get install kaffeine-xine
[01:22] <bur[n] er> oh... apt-get install kaffeine-xine :)
[01:22] <bur[n] er> yeah, just found it... i was searching for an option in kaffeine before
[01:22] <Kejk_PL> sh*t, 1.3.1 is taking event more CPU now :/
[01:22] <Kejk_PL> amybe my config is broken
[01:22] <bur[n] er> maybe kaffeine will takeover from totem for me now :)
[01:22] <jsubl2> i am not a kaffeine fan.. so.. not much knowledge there
[01:23] <Kejk_PL> jsubl2: I am using xine too, but it crashes sometimes (especially in kaffein quit)
[01:23] <jsubl2> i apt-get mozilla-mplayer then compile kmplayer by hand
[01:23] <Kejk_PL> jsubl2: hehe, I'm using pure gmplayer ;)
[01:23] <jsubl2> pretty sure the kubuntuforums had a thread about this.
[01:24] <Kejk_PL> yep - for hoary
[01:24] <Kejk_PL> what a pity that mplayer G2 (Generation 2) will never be written :(
[01:25] <jsubl2> how come
[01:25] <Kejk_PL> even this mplayer is dying now :(
[01:26] <jsubl2> that will be a shame... mplayer is the best imho
[01:26] <dennis_p> why will it not be written? what's up with the devs then?
[01:28] <nalioth> dennis_p: have fun with it, it attracts bees
[01:28] <Kejk_PL> Arpi (first developr and maintener) abandoned mplayer. he couldn't change that licence to LGPL (from GPL), so he said "Good bye"
[01:29] <Kejk_PL> after few month he started (alone) writting mplayer g2 (in fakt he started again). I was mentioned to be pluginable, as a libraly - simply complete media framework for Linux
[01:30] <dennis_p> Too bad, but I still like gpl anyway. Goodnight
[01:32] <Kejk_PL> but in July was last post on mplayer-g2 mailing list
[01:32] <Kejk_PL> he wanted change licence after few code steel to commercial projects (like KISS dvd players)
[01:33] <Kejk_PL> have U received my last 4 messages about Arpi's history? I had connection trouble
[01:36] <Kejk_PL> I was great fun compiling new 0.90pre* versions and reading Changelog. Now mplayer can't be improved - for example frame-to-frame seeking in mplayer can't be done :(
[01:38] <Kejk_PL> bye
[01:38] <stbain> later
[01:38] <stbain> oh
[01:38] <stbain> and yes, your messages came through
[01:42] <jrattner1> Does k3b have a plugin to convert mp3 to wav?
[01:44] <Blissex> jrattner1: I think so... But you need to install an MP3 library.
[01:44] <Blissex> !restricted
[01:45] <stbain> :( no ubotu
[01:46] <jrattner1> Blissex, alright thanks
[01:47] <Blissex> jrattner1: there is a page in the Wiki that describes how to get a library to play/convert MP3s
[01:47] <nalioth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:48] <stbain> threeeeeee cheeeeeeeers for nalioth
[01:48] <jrattner1> thanks nalioth 
[01:48] <nalioth> almost as good as a bot, i geuss
[01:52] <stbain> http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ has ubotu's factoids according to bimberi
[01:53] <kkathman> nalioth is a bot, we just treat him better :)
[01:53] <nalioth> thanks professor kkathman :)
[01:53] <kkathman> well we do :)
[01:53] <LjL> you shouldn't mistreat bots
[01:54] <kkathman> I am kidding.. nalioth is a fine and wise person
[01:54] <kkathman> much smarter than the bots :)
[01:59] <Blissex> kkathman: dont diss the bots -- when you are in the Matrix they will be the agents :-)
[02:00] <stbain> Miiiiiiisssssssssssster Anderssssson
[02:04] <kkathman> I dont diss the bots at all :)
[02:07] <LjL> is there any chance that some new packages from Debian will reach Ubuntu before the Dapper release?
[02:08] <LjL> i'm thinking of qalculate-kde specifically (a slick calculator with integrated computer algebra system i'd tell anyone interested in calculators to try)
[02:08] <nalioth> LjL: backports are always promising
[02:09] <LjL> nalioth: i guess there is still no estimate for when the backports repository will open, right? by the way, i suppose that if backports was up and running, packages like amarok 1.3.5 would be released there, and no in an ad-hoc repository, wouldn't they?
[02:10] <crimsun> LjL: kubuntu.org is not ad hoc
[02:10] <nalioth> LjL: any pkg that didnt make the breezy version freeze but are "ready" will most likely end up officially in 'backports'
[02:11] <LjL> crimsun: well perhaps ad-hoc wasn't the right word then, but still, it's not quite one of the "standard" reps is it
[02:11] <crimsun> it doesn't have the ubuntu.com domain, no
[02:12] <LjL> ok, let me put it in another way
[02:12] <LjL> what is the kubuntu.org repository's official purpose and scope?
[02:13] <crimsun> they are official updates that couldn't be included in the archive due to feature freeze, as nalioth implied
[02:13] <LjL> yeah but he also implied that's what backports is for (when it's ready)
[02:14] <crimsun> the two are not mutually exclusive, and backports isn't ready
[02:15] <LjL> they're not mutually exclusive, no, but IMHO it would be nicer to have *one* place for everything... not for "everything", i mean, one place for each logical set of packages
[02:15] <LjL> of course, if backports ain't ready, it ain't ready
[02:16] <nalioth> LjL: give them time to generate some "backports", you'll find quite a few suprises in them when they arrive
[02:16] <LjL> nalioth: positive or negative? :)
[02:16] <nalioth> LjL: that depends on YOU
[02:17] <LjL> you mean, it depends on whether i find broken dependencies a positive or a negative thing? ;)
[02:17] <nalioth> LjL: these backports are not the backports of the past
[02:18] <nalioth> backports was made an official ubuntu project late in hoarys reign, so there wouldn't be the 'broken depends' and "foreign depends" problems
[02:18] <LjL> well, i don't even know about the backports of the past, i started with breezy ;-)
[02:18] <LjL> so, basically, hoary just stood frozen for (nearly) six months without any feature updates?
[02:19] <nalioth> LjL: no, it had "unofficial backports" which had the problems mentioned above
[02:19] <LjL> i see
[02:20] <LjL> well, debian unstable/testing also sometimes gets mad at dependencies when upgrading... one lives with it, if it's reasonably going to be fixed in the next sync
[02:20] <LjL> actually, i should speak in the past tense, as i'm currently using debian stable and don't quite know what's going on with unstable
[02:25] <kkathman> LjL: how often is there a sync?
[02:25] <LjL> kkathman: well, i'm not sure, but daily or like that... i used to run aptitude dist-upgrade every day, and i got new packages every two days or so on average
[02:26] <LjL> kkathman: when using unstable or testing, your distribution basically changes all the time (though often not too noticeably)
[02:26] <LjL> kkathman: that's mostly why i initially didn't quite understand how Ubuntu worked, though i think i'm starting to get the grip on it now
[02:27] <nalioth> LjL: ubuntu and debian are based on the same source, and the differences rapidly diverge from there
[02:27] <LjL> kkathman: stable, on the other hand, is (i think) like Ubuntu, i.e. it gets frozen and remains that way, except that it's got no (official) backports, and releases are much rarer
[02:28] <LjL> nalioth: yeah, but ubuntu also has a different way of managing and presenting updates
[02:28] <nalioth> LjL: as i said, the differences diverge rapidly
[02:28] <LjL> nalioth: this got me quite confused with Ubuntu's "updates", "backports" and all, at the beginning
[02:29] <nalioth> LjL: the only "updates" you get are security updates
[02:29] <nalioth> LjL: backport are for your use, if you choose to use them
[02:29] <LjL> nalioth: and minor not security-related bug fixes from breezy-updates, i think
[02:41] <fdelacruz> gudmorning guys
[02:41] <fdelacruz> where can i find a counterpart of windows fonts
[02:42] <nalioth> fdelacruz: install msttcorefonts
[02:43] <nalioth> !info msttcorefonts
[02:43] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
[02:44] <fdelacruz> nalioth can I try sudp apt-get install msttcorefonts
[02:45] <fdelacruz> hi nalioth can post again the application for fonts
[02:45] <nalioth> fdelacruz: msttcorefonts
[02:46] <nalioth> fdelacruz: you'll have to enable universe and multiverse
[02:46] <fdelacruz> thanks again
[02:47] <fdelacruz> nalioth how can I enable universe and multiverse
[02:47] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fdelacruz about repos
[02:47] <nalioth> fdelacruz: follow ubotu's instructions
[02:47] <chiron> is there a "./kde/Autostart" to start applications for all users instead of just one?
[02:48] <chiron> I'd like to start some xmodmap key settings on all the user accounts on this computer
[02:48] <chiron> or would I have to put that in one of the runlevels?
[02:48] <chiron> !samba
[02:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[02:48] <freeflying> who can tell libkmime.so.2 included in which package
[02:49] <chiron> can I modify the "Mount Windows Shares Permanently" wiki page?
[02:49] <crimsun> freeflying: search using http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[02:50] <chiron> I'd like to add some useful information for adding guest samba shares
[02:50] <freeflying> thanks
[02:50] <chiron> most windows shares are like that
[02:53] <stbain> chiron: it's a wiki... have at it :)
[02:54] <expresso> i just installed kubuntu
[02:54] <expresso> how can i get the nvidia drivers?
[02:54] <crimsun> expresso: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:55] <expresso> thanks crimsun
[02:57] <bettse> are there any sort of virual packages for installing all the components nessicary for develtopment? (gcc, automake, make, binutils, etc.)
[02:58] <nalioth> bettse: install "build-essential"
[02:59] <bettse> thank you nalioth 
[02:59] <expresso> i can't seem to get to root after an install, i don't recall kubuntu asking for a root pwd
[02:59] <nalioth> !root
[02:59] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:00] <expresso> ok, fine. i can't seem to find synaptic?
[03:01] <expresso> because the docs for getting binary drivers for nvidia say to use synaptic
[03:01] <expresso> and these nvidia drivers (nv i assume) are very shaky
[03:01] <crimsun> expresso: you can use Adept or aptitude or apt-get
[03:02] <crimsun> there're all frontends for libapt
[03:02] <crimsun> they're
[03:03] <nalioth> expresso: use adept
[03:03] <expresso> thanks nalioth 
[03:13] <sample> sr nalioth
[03:13] <nalioth> sample: ?
[03:14] <sample> sr this is fdelacruz, Im sorry my machine always disconnected to internet so i use this new machine now
[03:14] <sample> how can I enable universal and multiverse in msttcorefonts
[03:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sample about repos
[03:15] <sample> and how can I install the mscorefonts in kubuntu? I try sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[03:16] <nalioth> sample: that should be sufficient
[03:20] <sample> sr what is the counterpart of synaptic here in kubuntu?
[03:20] <chiron> so is there a global KDE autostart folder that applies to all users?
[03:20] <chiron> sample: adept
[03:20] <sample> k thanks 
[03:25] <sample> sr nalioth im using kubuntu, is the additional repo that uboto send me is the same as the kubuntu?
[03:26] <nalioth> sample: both universe and multiverse are for ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu
[03:26] <sample> k sr thanks
[03:28] <KaoticEvil> blah.
[03:29] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: greetings to you, too
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> hey nalioth 
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> freakin codec packs dont work o_o
[03:33] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: which ones?
[03:33] <KaoticEvil> any of them lol.. i checked adept for every single codec i could find (for MPEG's) and installed them. still cant open any of my MPEG's.
[03:34] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: /msg ubotu w32codecs
[03:34] <KaoticEvil> ty :)
[03:35] <KaoticEvil> doh! *installs java*
[03:36] <sample> sr nalioth msttcorefonts was succesfully instaled what will be the next step?
[03:37] <nalioth> sample: you now can use them in your apps, if you choose
[03:37] <KaoticEvil> i thought i installed java last nite? o.o
[03:38] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: /msg ubotu java
[03:38] <KaoticEvil> already getting it ;)
[03:38] <sample> is tahoma available?
[03:38] <KaoticEvil> but ty :)
[03:39] <nalioth> sample: open a konsole and type "apt-cache show msttcorefonts"
[03:40] <sample> sr nalioth tahoma is not included in the list?
[03:40] <azuron_> hi nalioth 
[03:40] <nalioth> sample: you'll have to find it somewhere else, then
[03:40] <nalioth> azuron_: howdy
[03:40] <azuron_> nalioth: i guess i am more used to ubuntu's user interface. :-/
[03:40] <sample> any idea where can I download that
[03:41] <nalioth> you may use any true type fonts you like, just put them in ~/.fonts    <<< you may have to make this folder
[03:41] <azuron_> nalioth: but i am not used to ubuntu's color theme.
[03:41] <nalioth> azuron_: everything is user configurable
[03:41] <sample> k sr thanks
[03:42] <KaoticEvil> is there any difference between ubuntu and kubuntu? (besides KDE instead of GNOME)
[03:42] <azuron_> nalioth: i can find a KDE similar theme for ubuntu, right?
[03:42] <azuron_> KaoticEvil: no.
[03:43] <KaoticEvil> ok, didnt think so
[03:43] <nalioth> azuron_: there is a qt theme pkg for gnome, i believe
[03:43] <azuron_> ok, i will look for it. thanks, nalioth 
[03:44] <nalioth> azuron_:  gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[03:44] <_abbenormal> can i run 2 network cards if i edit /etc/network/interfaces with both setups
[03:44] <nalioth> _abbenormal: run them to do what?
[03:44] <_abbenormal> one eth0 one wireless
[03:45] <_abbenormal> so an eth0 setting and a wlan setting
[03:45] <azuron_> nalioth: i just have to put it into the console?
[03:46] <nalioth> azuron_: install using adept or 'sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt"
[03:46] <azuron_> nalioth: thanks, today's the 2nd day that i started to use linux
[03:48] <_abbenormal> i guess so i can connect thru a wireless and a hardline connection ie my dsl and a wireless site close to the house making 2 connections to the box
[03:48] <nalioth> _abbenormal: why would you want to network inputs?
[03:48] <nalioth> crap
[03:48] <nalioth> _abbenormal: why would you want two network inputs?
[03:49] <nalioth> _abbenormal: i dont think it'll work, i can't get 2 network interfaces to work at the same time on my boxes
[03:49] <_abbenormal> i dont but im playing with a wireless card and think i should be able to do it
[03:50] <_abbenormal> ive got a linux firewall running 2 nics 
[03:50] <nalioth> i have dual NICs in all my boxes (wireless / wired) adn can only use one at a time
[03:50] <_abbenormal> but thats what im tring to figure out why we cannt run both at the same time
[03:51] <_abbenormal> so we could have a dual connection type
[03:51] <KaoticEvil> can i use apt-get to install a package that ive downloaded?
[03:52] <pupil> umm,. I have to use iwconfig to configure my wlan0 device.  I am usig wpa-psk , how do I use that authentication with iwconfig?
[03:52] <_abbenormal> no that would be dpkg -i for those
[03:52] <KaoticEvil> ok, :)
[03:52] <KaoticEvil> thanks _abbenormal 
[03:52] <bieb> I installed synaptic, but when I run it it tells me it can't find "gksudo"
[03:52] <_abbenormal> stuff you d/l will have a .deb ext and thats how you set those up
[03:52] <KaoticEvil> yeah, that i knew already :)
[03:53] <_julio> hi
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> but ty :)
[03:53] <bieb> is there a "Ksudo"? 
[03:53] <bieb> if so how do I make synaptic use a different sudo?
[03:53] <_abbenormal> just use sudo
[03:54] <_abbenormal> try apt-get remove gksudo then get get sudo
[03:54] <bieb> but synaptic is trying to use gksudo.. where can I change that?
[03:54] <_abbenormal> remove it first
[03:54] <_abbenormal> then get sudo
[03:54] <bieb> It says it can't find gksudo
[03:55] <_abbenormal> kpkg -l gksudo*
[03:55] <_abbenormal> dpkg -l gksudo*
[03:55] <_abbenormal> sorry
[03:55] <pupil> I have to use iwconfig to configure my wlan0 device.  I am usig wpa-psk , how do I use that authentication with iwconfig?
[03:56] <bieb> it says no packages found
[03:56] <_abbenormal> ok try dpkg -l sudo*
[03:56] <bieb> should I install gksudo
[03:56] <_abbenormal> try make sure there is one first
[03:56] <bieb> sudo is there
[03:56] <_abbenormal> apt-cache search gksudo
[03:57] <pupil> _abbenormal: know anything about iwconfig and WPA-PSK authentication?
[03:57] <bieb> I have used sudo before, but how can I tell synaptic to use sudo instead of gksudo?
[03:57] <_abbenormal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[03:58] <_abbenormal> ive never used synaptic i do it all by apt-get or d/l the deb as needed
[03:59] <bieb> yeah I can use apt-get... I just wanted ot check out synaptic
[03:59] <_abbenormal> look at it once did like it but hey never know
[04:00] <_abbenormal> what about adept whats it like
[04:00] <bieb> I havent tried that one
[04:00] <bieb> this is the first time I have used kubuntu or ubuntu even
[04:00] <_abbenormal> it in the system folder
[04:01] <_abbenormal> as a package manager
[04:01] <bieb> hmmm doesn't look too bad
[04:02] <sample> how can I share or how will my windows 98 machine access my kubuntu's shared printer
[04:02] <_abbenormal> ive learned to look at whats in it before i look at something new setting up the new can always be a good learning thing and can go south too as well
[04:02] <bieb> thats true
[04:05] <nalioth> you guys should not use gksudo
[04:05] <nalioth> use kdesu on kde
[04:05] <nalioth> !kdesu
[04:05] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[04:06] <bieb> nalioth.. the reason I had asked about gksudo, is synaptic is asking for it, and I don't know how to tell it to use sudo
[04:09] <nalioth> bieb: kubuntu uses adept as it's standard package manager, use "kdesu adept", and you will get the same results as "gksudo synaptic"
[04:09] <bieb> ok
[04:23] <angelusco> heyall
[04:24] <angelusco> do somebody knows which one is the repertorie for downloading w32codesc ???
[04:27] <laszlok> angelusco: http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[04:29] <angelusco> is that a repertoire for adding on my package manager ?
[04:30] <nalioth> angelusco: no, visit it directly
[04:31] <angelusco> how do i install it? raphink gave me some repertoire for downloading and installing from my package manager, but i lost it, 'cuz accidentally i erased my xserver =)
[04:31] <angelusco> i am so noob in here, hehehe
[04:32] <nalioth> ubotu: tell angelusco about restricted
[04:34] <angelusco> restricted ?, let me c
[04:34] <chiron> what the hell is up with Open Office?
[04:34] <chiron> it's slow as hell
[04:34] <laszlok> angelusco: after you download the file, open a terminal and type: sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[04:34] <angelusco> ok
[04:34] <angelusco> i'm on it
[04:35] <laszlok> chiron: its made that way
[04:36] <laszlok> chiron: it uses a lot of java, and it loads everything even if you only want the word processor part
[04:36] <angelusco> ty about the link ubotu ;)
[04:39] <chiron> laszlok: well that's stupid
[04:40] <chiron> laszlok: there should be a QT port of it
[04:40] <chiron> laszlok: or an alternative program
[04:40] <chiron> laszlok: yes, I know, KOffice
[04:40] <chiron> laszlok: but last time I used KOffice, it wasn't too good
[04:42] <laszlok> chiron: kword is fine for simple word processing
[04:42] <KaoticEvil> wow. i broke kaffeine o_o
[04:43] <chiron> laszlok: it didn't handle MSWord docs too well
[04:43] <laszlok> ya i know everyone thinks its stupid
[04:44] <KaoticEvil> what version of Word?
[04:44] <laszlok> if you're interested read this: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8136
[04:44] <chiron> KaoticEvil: this was awhile ago, so it might have changed
[04:44] <chiron> KaoticEvil: I use the latest version of Word
[04:44] <KaoticEvil> i had some Word 97 docs that KWord handled fine... i think its just the newer version of Word that do that
[04:44] <chiron> KaoticEvil: Office 2003
[04:44] <KaoticEvil> 2003?
[04:44] <KaoticEvil> yeah.. MS changes the format slightly...
[04:45] <chiron> can I save them as MSWord?
[04:45] <chiron> that's my main concern
[04:45] <chiron> I need to save them in a format that is readable my many people
[04:45] <chiron> and MSWord is the universal format
[04:45] <KaoticEvil> i dont know, tbh... i thnk you might be able to save them as Word 97 docs.. maybe even Word 2000
[04:45] <KaoticEvil> sadly, yeah.. it is
[04:45] <angelusco> kaffeine doesn't work, i can't see my videos, kaffeine error : There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[04:45] <KaoticEvil> well, actually... 
[04:46] <KaoticEvil> angelusco:  /msg ubotu w32codecs
[04:46] <KaoticEvil> try that :)
[04:46] <angelusco> i've already installed
[04:46] <chiron> Why is MS Office so fast though?
[04:46] <chiron> MS Office has more features than OpenOffice does and it runs 10X faster
[04:46] <KaoticEvil> chiron:  WordPad handles a lot of DOC files as well...
[04:47] <KaoticEvil> becuase OpenOffice is written in java.
[04:47] <chiron> well who the hell thought of doing that?
[04:47] <KaoticEvil> Sun :P
[04:47] <KaoticEvil> its retarded, i know
[04:47] <chiron> what's wrong with C++ QT or C + GTK?
[04:47] <KaoticEvil> nothing, as far as im concerned...
[04:47] <angelusco> kaoticEvil, i've already installed, sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[04:47] <sample> sr where can I find a documents on how to setup samba server in kubuntu
[04:47] <KaoticEvil> angelusco:  i dont know then.... 
[04:47] <chiron> even though C and GTK would be the best, since it's the most portable
[04:48] <KaoticEvil> im pretty new at this myself..
[04:48] <KaoticEvil> yeah, youre right
[04:48] <chiron> it would be nicer for me to have C++ and QT, but the the gnomers would miss out
[04:48] <angelusco> yesterday i was on ubuntu and i watch it with kaffeine, but today i update to kubuntu and here i can't watch it
[04:48] <chiron> Gnome has piss-poor QT support
[04:48] <chiron> angelusco: how do you like Kubuntu vs Ubuntu?
[04:49] <KaoticEvil> ive only used Gnome a lil bit.. never liked it much
[04:49] <chiron> I've heard a few people say they're switching ever since Mark Shuttleworth announced he's using and backing Kubuntu
[04:49] <chiron> I think that will be a big step towards Kubuntu becoming more popular
[04:49] <angelusco> xserver and i guess i like pretty much the apps that kubuntu has, like konversation, konqueror, kontact
[04:50] <chiron> Kontact is just beautiful
[04:50] <chiron> and Konq is becoming just a great browser
[04:50] <chiron> super fast and featureful
[04:51] <laszlok> angelusco: what type of video file?
[04:51] <angelusco> mepg
[04:51] <stbain> if only KPilot and Kontact could get their act together
[04:51] <angelusco> now i installed xine, and i can see the video but i can't lisent the music
[04:52] <angelusco> brb, dinner is ready
[04:52] <chiron> stbain: what are you talking about?
[04:52] <KaoticEvil> i like the new konq... i gotta give it props
[04:52] <chiron> stbain: KPilot works beautifully with my Tungsten T
[04:52] <chiron> stbain: and Kontact is just super
[04:53] <chiron> KaoticEvil: the new Konq is fantastic
[04:53] <chiron> KaoticEvil: adblock and tons of JS and AJAX support
[04:53] <chiron> KaoticEvil: and I converted from Firefox
[04:53] <chiron> KaoticEvil: that was REALLY hard to let go
[04:53] <laszlok> I just discovered the konqueror web shortcuts feature and it kicks ass
[04:53] <laszlok> angelusco: try installing xine to play it
[04:53] <KaoticEvil> i wnat to know how to get the extra frame on the left tho.. the locations bar
[04:54] <KaoticEvil> see, im a firefox user... discovered it back when it was still in pre-release beta
[04:55] <KaoticEvil> ive got everything setup just the way /i/ like it
[04:55] <KaoticEvil> wb laszlok 
[04:56] <chiron> KaoticEvil: I would call myself a devout firefox user as well
[04:56] <chiron> KaoticEvil: but I didn't jump on the bandwagon until about .8
[04:56] <chiron> KaoticEvil: I had my doubts about it at first
[04:56] <KaoticEvil> will konq import allmy form data, saved passwords, favorites and all that?
[04:57] <sample> sr nalioth any nice resources or link that can help me to setup samba server in my kubuntu
[04:57] <angelusco> now i installed xine, and i can see the video but i can't lisent the music
[04:57] <chiron> wow, OpenOffice used about 300 mb of RAM
[04:57] <laszlok> adblock doesnt work too well for me, i prefer firefox's implementation
[04:57] <laszlok> and google maps still doesnt work so well
[04:57] <chiron> laszlok: what's wrong with Konq adblock?
[04:58] <chiron> laszlok: the only problem is it doesn't have the Filterset G Updater
[04:58] <chiron> laszlok: but that's small considering the potential speed benefits
[04:58] <stbain> cccccccccccrap
[04:58] <chiron> laszlok: and super tight integration
[04:58] <stbain> Adept just crashed
[04:58] <stbain> and now my apt db is locked
[04:58] <chiron> stbain: and?
[04:58] <chiron> stbain: sudo killall adept
[04:58] <stbain> oh it's killed alright
[04:59] <chiron> stbain: it happens to me all the time
[04:59] <chiron> stbain: the way to get it to crash is as follows
[04:59] <chiron> stbain: you have to select a package to remove, then not close it
[04:59] <chiron> stbain: and select another package to be installed
[04:59] <chiron> stbain: then poof
[04:59] <chiron> stbain: no more adept :D
[04:59] <stbain> sounds familiar :)
[05:00] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sample about samba
[05:00] <chiron> stbain: I think I should report that bug
[05:00] <chiron> stbain: I'm too lazy though, and it's probably been reported anyway
[05:00] <stbain> apparently there's a lot of us lazy folks out there
[05:00] <stbain> I hit bugs.kde.org
[05:01] <stbain> to see if anyone else was having the same problem I have w/ my kpilot not syncing notes correctly
[05:01] <stbain> and deleting to-do items
[05:01] <stbain> sure enough... there it was
[05:01] <stbain> from May
[05:01] <stbain> still labeled as unconfirmed
[05:01] <stbain> so I voted it up
[05:04] <KaoticEvil> chiron: will konq import allmy form data, saved passwords, favorites and all that?
[05:05] <chiron> KaoticEvil: from Firefox?
[05:05] <chiron> KaoticEvil: I doubt it
[05:05] <chiron> KaoticEvil: maybe favorites
[05:05] <chiron> KaoticEvil: why in the hell would you care about saved form data or passwords?
[05:05] <chiron> KaoticEvil: if you ever clear your data that all goes away anyway
[05:14] <pupil> anyone here?
[05:14] <nalioth> nope
[05:14] <KaoticEvil>  ive got all my firefox data backed up :)
[05:15] <KaoticEvil> its all in ~/.mozilla/Firefox/<profile>
[05:16] <Sonny_Wertzik> hello
[05:16] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, are u there?
[05:20] <angelusco> when i try to open a video with xine, there is some error about the stream .....(file) use an unsupported codec: Audio Codec: MPEG layer 2/3 (0x0)
[05:21] <angelusco> i can watch the video but i can't listen it
[05:22] <nalioth> angelusco: did you install all the recommeded programs on the restricted page?
[05:23] <angelusco> ya, w32codecs and libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb
[05:23] <angelusco> even i installed some audio mpeg codecs
[05:23] <nalioth> ubotu: tell angelusco about multimedia
[05:24] <angelusco> ubotu is a bot?
[05:24] <ubotu> angelusco: Are you smoking crack?
[05:25] <angelusco> jajaja do care that ?
[05:25] <angelusco> jajaja do u care that ?
[05:28] <fatbrain> Hello, how do I access root account?
[05:28] <angelusco> root account? mmm well, when u want to set something it will ask u the root pwd
[05:29] <fatbrain> angelusco: I'm using some administration tool and it's *telling me* to login as root
[05:29] <nalioth> !root
[05:29] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:29] <fatbrain> webmin or something, samba web adminstration stuff or something in that directionm.
[05:32] <angelusco> how do i know which kind of type is this repository ---> gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[05:32] <angelusco> deb or deb.scr
[05:34] <angelusco> FINALLY, i can ear the sound
[05:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> fatejudger, are u there?
[05:34] <angelusco> tnx every1 for your supporting :)
[05:35] <angelusco> hey sonny. howdy
[05:35] <nalioth> angelusco: any time
[05:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, hey man how are u?
[05:35] <angelusco> fine, so happy 'cuz finally i can see my videos and i can listen it
[05:35] <angelusco> tnx nalioth
[05:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco,  oh ya did u get xine to work?
[05:36] <angelusco> yap, i did it
[05:37] <KaoticEvil> i think my systems too slow for xine.. and kaffeine is just broken
[05:37] <angelusco> exactly i don't know how, but i just installed too many codecs (mpeg audio codecs)
[05:37] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, excellent! it must feel good to accomplish that goal heh.
[05:37] <angelusco> ooooo yeah !!! =)
[05:37] <angelusco> let me c if kaffeine works
[05:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, heh i cant get kaffine to work heh...but i never use it though
[05:38] <angelusco> omg, it works but now there is not working sound, hehehe, well, for the moment i have xine
[05:38] <KaoticEvil> as long as one of em works, eh?
[05:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, ya in gnome i have a problem with totem play same as kaffine
[05:39] <kkathman> anyone know how to remove the "kasbar" from the screen?
[05:39] <angelusco> what could it be?, i will search for the problem, when i get it i will tell u
[05:39] <angelusco> for the moment, next step is to install unreal tournament in here, and play it for testing
[05:40] <kkathman> nm
[05:40] <davedorm> hi dee ho
[05:40] <Sonny_Wertzik> kkathman, ya if u right click it >remove from panel>pane>kasbar
[05:40] <nalioth> kkathman: what is a kasbar?
[05:40] <angelusco> hey sonny_wertzik , did u gave me last days some reposity for downloading w32codecs?
[05:40] <davedorm> rock the kasbar?
[05:40] <kkathman> lol
[05:41] <kkathman> davedorm: yah...I was playin around and messed with something I shouldnt have
[05:41] <angelusco> nalioth i guess is the taskbar, maybe, hehehe i dunno
[05:41] <davedorm> angelusco:  got mine off universe
[05:41] <bimberi> !w32codecs
[05:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, i dont think so
[05:41] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).
[05:41] <angelusco> ooo, so it was raphink
[05:42] <davedorm> so has anyone used a Logitech webcam with Kubuntu successfully??
[05:42] <KaoticEvil> well, now i know why apache wasnt serving my webpages properly.
[05:42] <angelusco> do somebody know about some programming languaje like visual basic?
[05:43] <angelusco> is ubotu a bot?
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> VB? why would you want to know VB?
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> angelusco:  yes, it is
[05:43] <davedorm> u - BOT - u
[05:43] <angelusco> lol, ok thanks 'cuz it was to bad with me, hehehe
[05:43] <nalioth> ubotu: tell angelusco about yourself
[05:44] <angelusco> i am a programmer and i used to programming on vb
[05:44] <KaoticEvil> im a programmer too.. but VB just sucks :P
[05:44] <KaoticEvil> its toally platform-dependant...
[05:44] <KaoticEvil> totally*
[05:45] <angelusco> ya i know, but i can't find some one for linux
[05:45] <davedorm> so... webcam? Phillips driver
[05:45] <davedorm> any luck getting it to work?
[05:45] <KaoticEvil> angelusco:  how much do you know about Object Pascal?
[05:45] <angelusco> well, actually i found some mono.project but i don't know it and some friend told me about other one
[05:45] <KaoticEvil> its a VB'ish language.. totally OO... theres a great linux variant, called FreePascal...
[05:46] <KaoticEvil> and a great IDE for it, called Lazarus... i use both :)
[05:46] <angelusco> pascal??? mmm well i know something, but i need some visual leanguaje
[05:46] <Sonny_Wertzik> We got some real brains in the room hehehe
[05:46] <KaoticEvil> Object Pascal is OO
[05:46] <KaoticEvil> and the best part.. its cross-platofrm :)
[05:46] <angelusco> which brains? i want some of that :)
[05:47] <Sonny_Wertzik> [rogrammers hehe
[05:47] <angelusco> do u mean that i can make some program in linux and use it on windows ?
[05:47] <KaoticEvil> www.kaosoft.us.tt :)
[05:47] <KaoticEvil> angelusco:  wait one.. ill get you a link for FreePascal and for Lazarus
[05:47] <angelusco> hehehe, well actually i am student, i am on the final step
[05:47] <angelusco> ty o much
[05:47] <Sonny_Wertzik> no i mean you have to have brains to program stuff
[05:47] <angelusco> so*
[05:48] <angelusco> lol
[05:48] <KaoticEvil> Sonny_Wertzik:  not really...
[05:48] <angelusco> well, not exatly
[05:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok then u have to have patients hehe
[05:48] <angelusco> thats right
[05:48] <KaoticEvil> patience, yes
[05:48] <KaoticEvil> and LOTS of it
[05:48] <KaoticEvil> lol
[05:49] <angelusco> but if u like it u dont's care about it
[05:49] <kkathman> whew... configuring kicker panels is freaky :)
[05:49] <KaoticEvil> exactly
[05:50] <angelusco> omg, i can c my dvd's on kaffeine, (but no sound) hehehe
[05:50] <kkathman> And Im still not all that happy :(
[05:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> i need immediate gratification... programming is not for me hehe... i have no patients
[05:50] <KaoticEvil> angelusco:  check out http://www.freepascal.org/ and http://lazarus.freepascal.org
[05:50] <davedorm> so... webcam? Phillips driver
[05:50] <davedorm> any luck?
[05:50] <angelusco> hey kaotik and sonny, do u have email?
[05:50] <KaoticEvil> lazarus is an IDE for FreePascal... allows RAD.
[05:50] <angelusco> i mean, could u give it to me for be in contact
[05:51] <KaoticEvil> FreePascal is a Delphi clone..
[05:51] <KaoticEvil> and yes, you can makes apps that run on windows and linux
[05:51] <KaoticEvil> you can find me here :)
[05:51] <angelusco> good
[05:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya i have mail but i get so much spam i might not know who u are and delete it
[05:51] <angelusco> so i will take it and starting to use it
[05:52] <angelusco> lol
[05:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> i get like 120 spams a day
[05:52] <KaoticEvil> lol
[05:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> heh
[05:52] <KaoticEvil> i dont get 120 emails in a MONTH lol
[05:52] <angelusco> np, maybe later we could knows each other, at least in this way and maybe later u could give me your emails
[05:52] <KaoticEvil> hell.. in a YEAR :|
[05:52] <angelusco> i am not available for irc at all
[05:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya sure that sounds ok
[05:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> i see
[05:53] <angelusco> but np, we'll be in contact in here, some times =)
[05:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> angelusco, what country are u in?
[05:53] <KaoticEvil> i need to download those anyway...
[05:53] <angelusco> mexico
[05:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> cool
[05:53] <KaoticEvil> yeah? im in texas :P were practiacally neighbors LOL
[05:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> hehe
[05:53] <KaoticEvil> practically*
[05:53] <angelusco> but i have to work from 8:00am to 2:00 pm and go to the school from 3:00pm to 9:00 pm
[05:54] <angelusco> ya, we are close but to far =)
[05:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> ill be right back... i need to have a smoke
[05:54] <angelusco> oooo, almost forgot this, sorry about my spelling, but i don't speak english
[05:54] <KaoticEvil> isnt thre an applet i can add to my system tray.. shows CPU load? andone for network load too?
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> angelusco:  ive been chatting on various services for about 15 years now....
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> i read fluent typo :P
[05:55] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: yes you can. 
[05:55] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: system monitor
[05:55] <kkathman> KaoticEvil: In in Texas too :)
[05:55] <kkathman> and so is nalioth  :)
[05:56] <KaoticEvil> cool :)
[05:56] <kkathman> its a veritable Texas Extravaganza :)  ok I shouldnt be so peppy
[05:56] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[05:56] <kkathman> KaoticEvil: What part of Texas?
[05:56] <KaoticEvil> near abilene
[05:57] <kkathman> Kewl I went to school in Abilene, two kids go to Texas Tech in Lubbock up the road :)
[05:57] <KaoticEvil> cool
[05:57] <KaoticEvil> how bout you?
[05:57] <kkathman> I live in the Dallas area now, but went to ACU back in the day :)
[05:57] <KaoticEvil> oh cool.. youre about 2 hours from me then :)
[05:58] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok im back
[05:58] <KaoticEvil> wb
[05:58] <Sonny_Wertzik> ty
[05:58] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: where are you plaguing?
[05:58] <KaoticEvil> i must be retarded.. i cant find it o.o
[05:58] <kkathman> KaoticEvil: yep
[05:58] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  ?
[05:58] <Sonny_Wertzik> im using that kxdocker bar with the cpu monitor plugin on it
[05:58] <angelusco> well, tnx every1 hate to go
[05:58] <angelusco> have to go*
[05:59] <KaoticEvil> later angelusco 
[05:59] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: right click on the panel, and select add applet, then "system monitor"
[05:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> later
[05:59] <angelusco> nite all
[05:59] <kkathman> hows that kxdocker workin for ya Sonny_Wertzik ?
[05:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> nity nite
[05:59] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: i'm from Houston, where are YOU from?
[05:59] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  near abilene
[05:59] <kkathman> nalioth: read up 
[05:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> good i finally got the plugins to work too
[05:59] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: 2 hours from you doesnt tell me which direction
[05:59] <KaoticEvil> i guess i dont have it installed :|
[05:59] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  im 2 hours westof dallas
[06:00] <kkathman> nalioth: well I just asked him that a bit ago..and he answered :)
[06:00] <kkathman> but thats ok
[06:00] <kkathman> hehe
[06:00] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: n/m i'm thinking 'gnome-panel' excuse me
[06:00] <KaoticEvil> lol
[06:00] <Sonny_Wertzik> kkathman, good i finally got the plugins to work too
[06:00] <nalioth> and another texan arrives
[06:00] <KaoticEvil> heh.. yup...
[06:00] <kkathman> Sonny_Wertzik: excellent...i hear there are other kickers out there
[06:01] <KaoticEvil> what exactly does the kicker do?
[06:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> kkathman, ya i tried a few but kx has alot of stuff and has a good feel to it
[06:01] <kkathman> KaoticEvil: its like your taskbar.. quick launch, etc
[06:01] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[06:02] <kkathman> Sonny_Wertzik: I quickly looked at kxdocker but had some difficulty with it
[06:02] <KaoticEvil> conky, gkrellm, torsmo, or xosview?
[06:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> kkathman, Kxdocker is confusing as hell to set up until u find a web page that explains it
[06:02] <KaoticEvil> damn... descisions...
[06:02] <KaoticEvil> ah to hell with it.. *installs all of them*
[06:03] <kkathman> lol
[06:04] <KaoticEvil> i can always take out the one(s) i dont like :)
[06:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> the guy who wrote kx is italian and his instructions arent translated very well
[06:04] <kkathman> gkrellm is nice, easy on CPU and is no-fuss
[06:04] <KaoticEvil> thats one thing ive always loved about linux.. the flexibitiliy...
[06:04] <kkathman> conky never worked too well for me, and its a torsmo derivitive...but others like it
[06:04] <KaoticEvil> there is virtually *nothing* that you cant customize.. and i like that
[06:05] <kkathman> I just use one of the SK things
[06:05] <KaoticEvil> i remember using gkrellm on slack
[06:05] <KaoticEvil> "SK"?
[06:05] <kkathman> Superkaramba
[06:05] <KaoticEvil> oh
[06:05] <Sonny_Wertzik> catch u guys later... im going to play some unreal tourney
[06:05] <KaoticEvil> later Sonny_Wertzik 
[06:05] <kkathman> cya Sonny_Wertzik :)
[06:05] <Sonny_Wertzik> take care all
[06:06] <kkathman> Kaotic its eye-candy for KDE
[06:06] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok
[06:06] <kkathman> transparent widgets
[06:06] <KaoticEvil> my machine is too slow for all the eyecandy stuff :(
[06:06] <KaoticEvil> and my video card doubly so
[06:06] <kkathman> yeah dont use that if yer machine is slow
[06:06] <kkathman> gkrellm is probably yer best bet
[06:06] <nalioth> conky!
[06:07] <KaoticEvil> 400MHz celeron, 128MB PC100 SDRAM, and a 1MB onboard Intel i810 video chip :P
[06:07] <kkathman> conky works too, but hard to set up 
[06:07] <kkathman> oh thats not so bad KaoticEvil 
[06:07] <kkathman> a little low on the mem
[06:07] <KaoticEvil> i know
[06:07] <KaoticEvil> ive been unemployed...
[06:07] <kkathman> I'd definitely use gkrellm then
[06:08] <kkathman> KaoticEvil: been there.. not fun... I wish you well :)
[06:08] <KaoticEvil> i *used* to have a dual MP2200 box... 1GB of PC2100 Registered/ECC DDR :)
[06:08] <KaoticEvil> i start my new job tomorrow :D
[06:08] <kkathman> nalioth: loves conky, but wouldnt give me his secrets on how to make it work :)
[06:08] <KaoticEvil> should make about $500 a week :)
[06:08] <kkathman> KaoticEvil: Excellent!
[06:08] <KaoticEvil> indeed
[06:09] <kkathman> its more than $0 right?
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> ill have me a decent box before too long.. .and when i do, im going to make this one my gateway/server :)
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> yeah, about $500 more :P
[06:09] <kkathman> kewl
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> running linux ^_^
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> and *that* will be a whole new venture for me...
[06:09] <nalioth> kkathman: join #conky. they'll help you
[06:09] <kkathman> ahhh you'll get it
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> ive never setup a network with a linux box as the gateway
[06:10] <crimsun> fwiw, I uploaded a newer conky last night
[06:10] <kkathman> nalioth: you help everyone else but wont help me...booo hooo :(
[06:10] <KaoticEvil> oh, cool... it adds K meu entries for me :D *yay*
[06:11] <KaoticEvil> menu*
[06:21] <kkathman> well I have to be up early for an appt, so Im out...cyall
[06:21] <KaoticEvil> later kkathman :)
[06:21] <kkathman> and nalioth you know Im just kidding wid ya :)
[06:21] <davedorm> anyone get a Logitech Webcam working with Ubuntu?  Phillips driver
[06:21] <kkathman> nighters
[06:24] <SuperGuppy> is KDE going to be the new default DE for Ubuntu soon?
[06:24] <crimsun> no
[06:24] <crimsun> Ubuntu will remain GNOME, Kubuntu will remain KDE
[06:24] <SuperGuppy> oh
[06:24] <SuperGuppy> guess i heard that somewhere
[06:24] <SuperGuppy> oh well
[06:24] <crimsun> there's a lot of FUD flying
[06:24] <SuperGuppy> so Kubuntu will still be just a spinoff version
[06:25] <SuperGuppy> kindof a second thought hack
[06:25] <crimsun> no
[06:25] <SuperGuppy> hmm
[06:26] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: there may be xubuntu disks flying around, tho
[06:27] <nalioth> that'd be cool
[06:27] <crimsun> not yet
[06:27] <SuperGuppy> XFree86Ubuntu ?
[06:27] <crimsun> we're in the process of germinating unofficial ones
[06:27] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[06:27] <ubotu> it has been said that xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[06:27] <SuperGuppy> why is xfce popular?
[06:27] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: it's light weight
[06:27] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: runs well on older hardware
[06:27] <SuperGuppy> ic
[06:28] <SuperGuppy> so ppl run it on the old crap they got
[06:28] <nalioth> crimsun: unofficially "official" images would be cool
[06:28] <SuperGuppy> and KDE on the new machines
[06:28] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: actually xfce4 smokes on new hardware
[06:28] <jordan> i can't see live cd 4 kubuntu by now. Why ?
[06:28] <SuperGuppy> nalioth: yea but what if u want Kmail, Konq, KOffice, Kdevelop
[06:28] <SuperGuppy> then you need to install KDE
[06:28] <crimsun> no you don't
[06:29] <crimsun> you just need to install those applications
[06:29] <crimsun> you've always been able to mix-n-match
[06:29] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: no you dont. kde apps can be run anywhere
[06:29] <SuperGuppy> crimsun: so then whats the difference of running KDE with kde apps and XFCE with kde apps?> Just the window managers?
[06:29] <SuperGuppy> KWin vs XFCE?
[06:29] <crimsun> it's not just kwin vs. xfwm4
[06:29] <SuperGuppy> i guess KWin+Kpannel vs XFCE
[06:30] <crimsun> it's a different environment
[06:30] <crimsun> just like gnome is a different environment
[06:30] <SuperGuppy> yea but isn't KDE just kde apps plus KWin and KPannel
[06:30] <crimsun> no, KDE is a ton more
[06:30] <nalioth> kde is a boatload of things, heh
[06:31] <crimsun> there're lots more than just what you see on the screen at any given time. Same for GNOME, same for Xfce.
[06:31] <SuperGuppy> crimsun: i don't understand... do they have hidden services running in the background when you load KDE that you wouldn't get when you loaded say.. KOffice and Kdevelop
[06:31] <crimsun> hidden services? No. Processes that handle communication? Sure.
[06:31] <SuperGuppy> so like cut n paste KDE handles
[06:31] <SuperGuppy> but if you run KOFFICE under XFCE then cut n paste might be different
[06:32] <crimsun> no, it's the same
[06:32] <SuperGuppy> so what is in the KDE "Desktop" that you is slow that makes XFCE + KDE Apps a faster combination?
[06:33] <crimsun> Xfce doesn't provide the piping the same way.
[06:33] <crimsun> same for GNOME
[06:33] <SuperGuppy> hmm
[06:33] <crimsun> if you like KDE, use it.
[06:33] <SuperGuppy> why don't KDE developers do their plumming the XFCE way then if its better
[06:34] <crimsun> no one said it's better
[06:34] <crimsun> try not to think of different desktop environments as "better"
[06:34] <SuperGuppy> oh
[06:34] <crimsun> the real issue is choice
[06:34] <SuperGuppy> just different features
[06:34] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: desktop environments are like cars
[06:35] <nalioth> some people like ford, some like toyota
[06:35] <SuperGuppy> and slower/more features vs. faster/less features
[06:35] <SuperGuppy> nalioth: yea but those that like fords are just plain silly IMO
[06:35] <SuperGuppy> vs toyota
[06:35] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: you get the point
[06:35] <SuperGuppy> toyota is obviously better than fords
[06:36] <crimsun> no, they're not obviously better, and the same argument applies to desktop environments
[06:36] <SuperGuppy> well Ubuntu is better than debian
[06:37] <SuperGuppy> ;-)
[06:37] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: not for some people. it's about choice
[06:37] <crimsun> no, it's not
[06:37] <crimsun> right, like nalioth said, it's about choice
[06:37] <KaoticEvil> i think the best desktop environment/window manager is the one that suits the user the best
[06:37] <SuperGuppy> ok maybe not better than debian.. but better than Fedora :)
[06:37] <crimsun> KaoticEvil: precisely, and that preference may shift as the user adjusts
[06:37] <crimsun> after all, we aren't static.
[06:37] <KaoticEvil> exactly
[06:37] <SuperGuppy> yeap
[06:38] <sample> sr how can I enable swat
[06:38] <SuperGuppy> their preference may shift tward KUbuntu more so than others tho
[06:38] <KaoticEvil> i think KDE is probably the best one for people who are new to linux, and are used to windows...
[06:38] <KaoticEvil> of the ones ive seen, it most closely resembles windows.. making the transition a lot less painless
[06:38] <SuperGuppy> I always thought GNOME was better for windows users because it only has like 5 buttons
[06:39] <KaoticEvil> lol SuperGuppy 
[06:39] <SuperGuppy> don't ask me where to setup a printer in GNOME
[06:39] <davedorm> where do I get kernel headers?
[06:39] <crimsun> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:39] <crimsun> it's not necessary normally to have to compile kernel modules
[06:41] <SuperGuppy> do you guys know if you need to instal the commercial nvidia drivers in ubuntu or will it install them automatically ?
[06:41] <KaoticEvil> hmmmmmmm... apache or apache2?
[06:42] <RaRe> Hello
[06:43] <crimsun> SuperGuppy: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:43] <jordan> hi
[06:43] <RaRe> Anyone willing to help me about partitions? :o
[06:44] <KaoticEvil> RaRe:  what about that?
[06:44] <KaoticEvil> them*
[06:44] <RaRe> well.. I've got 2 drives - primary for winxp (x.x) and slave for kubuntu
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> ok....
[06:45] <RaRe> installed succefully but the partition thinggy didn't turned out as i planned
[06:45] <cyne> how do i disallow internet access to a program in Kubuntu, but allow it access to my LAN ?
[06:45] <sample> sr how can I enable swat
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> RaRe:  how were you trying to get it to work?
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> and how did it turn out?
[06:45] <nalioth> sample: what is swat?
[06:45] <RaRe> I wanted my slave to have 2 partitions 1 - accesible thru my xp and the other for kubuntu only
[06:46] <sample> samba web admin
[06:46] <RaRe> well right now my slave is lost in xp
[06:46] <RaRe> :x
[06:46] <davedorm> wtf is kgcc?
[06:46] <davedorm> says it is missing
[06:46] <cyne> does Kubuntu have a firewall?
[06:46] <RaRe> i also didnt see an option on where to install kubuntu specifically
[06:46] <KaoticEvil> RaRe:  it asks you what partition you want to install it to
[06:47] <nalioth> cyne: it has firewalling capabilities built in, yes
[06:47] <cyne> nalioth: may i ask how to access them?
[06:47] <RaRe> during the partition part of the kubuntu installation - i wasn't sure what i did there
[06:47] <sample> sr nalioth samba web administration tool
[06:47] <SuperGuppy> cyne: probably need to drop to a KTerm and edit your firewall rules in VIM
[06:47] <nalioth> cyne: on a default install, no firewall is necessary, but firestarted is a good frontend
[06:47] <stupendo44> cyne: I use kmyfirewall
[06:47] <RaRe> split my 2nd hd for 30gb and 10gb
[06:47] <cyne> thankyou guys
[06:47] <sample> cause I couldn't login using or any user with my webmin
[06:48] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cyne about firestarter
[06:48] <nalioth> sample: i'm not familiar with samba, as i have no windows boxen
[06:48] <sample> yes sir it a windows and linux authentication
[06:49] <sample> anyway sr thanks
[06:49] <KaoticEvil> RaRe:  what did you use to partition the drive?
[06:50] <RaRe> KaoticEvil: pm :D
[06:51] <KaoticEvil> doh
[06:51] <KaoticEvil> PM always killed my linux partitions when i used it
[06:51] <RaRe> KaoticEvil: ? nono,, lol i mean private message
[06:51] <RaRe> not partition magic
[06:51] <KaoticEvil> oh, heh... 
[06:51] <nalioth> RaRe: you are unable to pm, you are not registered on this network
[06:51] <RaRe> anyways i used the on at kubuntu installation cd
[06:52] <nalioth> ubotu: tell RaRe about register
[06:52] <RaRe> nanlioth :o 
[06:52] <KaoticEvil> heh
[06:52] <jordan> i read Partition magic also
[06:53] <KaoticEvil> wow... konq is WAY faster than FF O.O
[06:53] <RaRe> nanlioth: lol thanx. :x
[06:55] <RaRe> ubotu: tell RaRe about register
[06:56] <KaoticEvil> RaRe:  i dont normally chat in PM...
[06:56] <RaRe> oh okie
[06:58] <KaoticEvil> i didnt use the partitioning tool on the CD... i had previously made my partitions using a slackware install CD, and cfdisk
[06:59] <RaRe> alrighty
[07:00] <RaRe> so i'd just partition my drive before installing. got it
[07:00] <RaRe> now one last question
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> im new to linux as well.. so im probaly not the best choice for getting help... nalioth is very knowledgeable tho...
[07:00] <RaRe> oh, it's alright. ^^
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> i can *try* to help... i do know some things
[07:01] <RaRe> how do i uninstall my kubuntu and beable to find my lost drive back? :o window's command promt doesn't detect my d: drive now
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> it may be hidden...
[07:02] <RaRe> thanx kaotic, your help is very much appreciated :D
[07:02] <KaoticEvil> i know this is goinf to sound strange... but try MS's fdisk... you can unhide partitions with it..
[07:02] <KaoticEvil> as for uninstalling kubunutu... 
[07:02] <KaoticEvil> only way i know of to uninstall *any* OS is to format the drive ;)
[07:02] <RaRe> roger about the fdisk
[07:02] <KaoticEvil> or in your case, partition
[07:02] <RaRe> ^^ thanx <3
[07:03] <KaoticEvil> np
[07:03] <nalioth> windows wont see any drive not formatted in fat or ntfs
[07:04] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  but his entire drive is missing.. hes got it split into partitions :)
[07:04] <KaoticEvil> which makes me think that the partition (probably FAT32) is just hidden...
[07:04] <KaoticEvil> its happened to me before :P
[07:04] <nalioth> i havent owned a windows box in over 5 years
[07:05] <nalioth> i'm not the one to ask about cloaked windows partitions
[07:05] <RaRe> :x
[07:05] <RaRe> i think i changed the format to something like ext23..
[07:05] <RaRe> both of the partition.. i was really messing it up during the installation's partition tool
[07:05] <RaRe> T.T
[07:06] <KaoticEvil> if you changed the format on the partition to ext2 or ext3, windows will not see it at all
[07:06] <KaoticEvil> it doesnt know how to read it
[07:06] <KaoticEvil> RaRe:  wnat my advice?
[07:06] <KaoticEvil> want*
[07:06] <RaRe> w8! i just saw it on window's disk management
[07:06] <RaRe> sure
[07:06] <KaoticEvil> do you know how to use fdisk? the MS one, that is
[07:07] <RaRe> nope.. still surfing for info
[07:07] <KaoticEvil> urgh.. ok
[07:07] <KaoticEvil> the MS fdisk is, IMO, a *lot* easier to use for some one new to partitioning than either of the linux toosl if used (fdisk, and cfdisk)
[07:08] <KaoticEvil> RaRe:  get a Windows 98 boot disk (www.bootdisk.com)
[07:08] <KaoticEvil> and boot from it... then check our fdisk... see if you can figure it out.. make your partitions with it, and then format them... make sure that you only format the shared partition in windows tho
[07:11] <jordan> hi 
[07:11] <stupendo44> toto? where are you, toto?
[07:12] <stupendo44> -- Please enjoy you flight on Freenode International --
[07:14] <jordan> Tnx!
[07:16] <RaRe> Thanx for all the help guys... brb
[07:29] <stupendo44> BlankC: you know, it's healthier to blink more often
[07:31] <ilba7r> !multiload-apple
[07:31] <ubotu> ilba7r: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:32] <nalioth> ilba7r: do you not know where ubotu's brains are kept?
[07:32] <nalioth> ilba7r: his brains have a convenient search function
[07:32] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ilba7r about yourself
[07:39] <ilba7r> thanx nalioth
[07:39] <ilba7r> and i was not playing with ubotu
[07:41] <nalioth> ilba7r: it's better not to !fish !for !info
[07:42] <ilba7r> nalioth its the fastest way
[07:43] <ilba7r> perhaps you an help me
[07:43] <ilba7r> any one know what is a multiload-apple ? and how to list all daemons that are running?
[07:46] <ilba7r> nalioth what is the use of "ubotu" if not to search for facts?
[07:47] <nalioth> ilba7r: ubotu is to give facts to you or someone else. i have a /pm window open with ubotu all the time
[07:47] <nalioth> ilba7r: you can use ubotu in a /pm window and not flood the !channel !with !fishing
[07:48] <ilba7r> point taken but am not fishing i am looking for info
[07:48] <ilba7r> which happen to be for 2 days now
[07:48] <ilba7r> but thanx for the info
[07:55] <KaoticEvil> damn that
[08:03] <cyne> hellooo
[08:03] <cyne> :)
[08:03] <cyne> how do i stop a specific software from accessing the internet?
[08:05] <cyne> is it worth installing firestarter with all those gnome packages?
[08:05] <chiron> cyne: maybe if you're paranoid
[08:07] <chiron> I'm having a little trouble with the KOffice packages?
[08:07] <chiron> has someone had any success in installing them?
[08:08] <cyne> chiron, i have
[08:08] <cyne> i just used kynaptic, easy :)
[08:10] <Madeye>  guys, How to show large icons in navigation tab (the one appear when you click ALT+tab) ?
[08:10] <chiron> cyne: which packages did you install?
[08:11] <cyne> chiron... not sure
[08:12] <robitaille> Finally tried Kubuntu for the first time tonight.  One problem:  my network setting window seems to be a lot taller than the size of my display.  So I don't see the administrator button at the bottom.  Is there a way to resize that window?
[08:14] <nalioth> robitaille: can you right click on the program box in the kicker and select move or anything?
[08:14] <robitaille> nalioth,  yes.  
[08:14] <nalioth> move it to where you can resize the window
[08:15] <robitaille> nalioth,   I can't.  THe top of the nwtwork setting window is at the top of my screen.  THe bottom of it seems to be below the bottom panel
[08:16] <nalioth> robitaille: when you right click on the button in the kicker, and select move, it doesnt allow you to move the actual window?
[08:16] <robitaille> nalioth, yes I can move the window.  But the window is still taller than my display no matter where I move it.
[08:17] <expresso> getting sun's java on kubuntu is quite challenging.
[08:17] <expresso> though, i had challenges getting the nvidia drivers to work.
[08:17] <SuperGuppy> anything 3rd party in linux is challenging
[08:17] <SuperGuppy> if it isn't in the package system, its garbage
[08:18] <robitaille> nalioth,  minimizing/mazimizing it doesn't make a difference.  Trying to resizing it with the keyboard shorthcut doesn't work since I cannot reach the bottom of my window.
[08:18] <SuperGuppy> that is why linux is failing on the desktop. there are no decent 3rd party installation methods because each distribution wants it in a different format
[08:19] <expresso> SuperGuppy: it's only a 3rd party binary driver/jvm, nothing fancy.
[08:19] <SuperGuppy> thats my point
[08:19] <SuperGuppy> its nothing fancy, yet files must be placed manually, and text files must be edited manually
[08:19] <TheKaoticEvil> doh
[08:19] <SuperGuppy> and its just a driver
[08:19] <SuperGuppy> same with java
[08:20] <SuperGuppy> same with ANY installation that isn't done through the distribution's package manager
[08:20] <TheKaoticEvil> brb
[08:20] <expresso> SuperGuppy: i'd imagine i could just run the binary sun jdk installer and install it that way, but then i'd have to probably manually setup the java_home env var and such
[08:20] <nalioth> robitaille: ok. i am not that familiar with kde, i know in gnome you can right click on the program button in the panel and select "move" then you can move the actual windows anywhere you like
[08:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell expresso about java
[08:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell SuperGuppy about java
[08:21] <RaRe> woohoo, I'm on my 1st linux ;) just thought i'd share :x
[08:21] <SuperGuppy> lol
[08:21] <expresso> so, using the package manager is about integration of the software with the operating environment.
[08:21] <SuperGuppy> nalioth: its so complex u need a howto on it
[08:21] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: what is that?
[08:21] <SuperGuppy> and in every other OS known to man you just double click on the icon
[08:21] <robitaille> nalioth,  I'm in the same boat.  I usually use gnome, but decided to give kubuntu a spin tonight
[08:22] <nalioth> robitaille: it is not gnome, heh
[08:22] <expresso> SuperGuppy: not exactly. on windows you have to have administrative privs on the box to install binary jdk
[08:22] <expresso> something more than linux requires.
[08:23] <SuperGuppy> robitaille good choice
[08:23] <robotgeek> nalioth: i downloaded the x86 version of the live cd and am using it on a univ machine
[08:23] <SuperGuppy> most would say that KDE is a step above GNOME right now
[08:23] <robotgeek> i got sick and tired of sshing from putty 
[08:23] <catmeister> Hey, whats up?
[08:23] <expresso> ubotu: i've got to enable mp3 support also? ouch.
[08:23] <ubotu> expresso: Syntax error in line 1
[08:24] <SuperGuppy> yea
[08:24] <SuperGuppy> you have to download mp3 support seperately
[08:24] <SuperGuppy> and DVD player support sepeartely
[08:24] <robitaille> SuperGuppy,  it all depends of your taste.  The important part is that you have the choice between KDE and Gnome.  Now if Kubuntu was only working better for me in my first attempt....
[08:24] <SuperGuppy> and your nvidia drivers seperately
[08:25] <nalioth> expresso: that is because x/k/ubuntu is a truly "free" distro
[08:25] <expresso> SuperGuppy: is there a guide on these things, or just installing is enough? apt-get install mp3-support?
[08:25] <TheKaoticEvil> lol raphink 
[08:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell expresso about mp3
[08:25] <SuperGuppy> expresso: duno i haven't figured out how to get it working
[08:25] <TheKaoticEvil> RaRe even.
[08:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell expresso about nvidia
[08:25] <raphink> TheKaoticEvil: does that mean I am funny when I say nothing?
[08:25] <TheKaoticEvil> congrats RaRe :)
[08:25] <SuperGuppy> ubotu: tell me about nvidia
[08:25] <TheKaoticEvil> raphink:  no, that was a bad autocomplete on my part ... sorry
[08:25] <expresso> nalioth: i've used gentoo for some years, and it seems pretty free.  unstable at times, but free.
[08:26] <raphink> ;)
[08:26] <SuperGuppy> 0127]  <ubotu> Please use private messages, like '/msg ubotu nvidia', rather than posting into the channel needlessly.
[08:26] <nalioth> SuperGuppy: you should be registered to make full use of ubotu
[08:26] <raphink> you woke me up
[08:26] <raphink> :p
[08:26] <SuperGuppy> oh
[08:26] <raphink> hehe j/k
[08:26] <nalioth> expresso: free as in "unencumbered by patented content"
[08:26] <TheKaoticEvil> lol sorry
[08:26] <TheKaoticEvil> raphink:  do you sleep at your comptuer too?
[08:26] <expresso> not to get into some free idiologies (sp?) or distro differences. i just want my mp3, and dvd (decrypted), java, etc.
[08:26] <catmeister> Expresso, apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:26] <raphink> no I'm j/k I got up 15 minutse ago
[08:27] <expresso> catmeister: i found i need the legacy for my vanta card.
[08:27] <nalioth> expresso: ubotu has msgd you lots of info
[08:27] <catmeister> Then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf Change the video identifier and driver both to nvidia
[08:28] <expresso> nalioth: i see the msg's, thanks. is this a bot?
[08:28] <nalioth> ubotu: tell expresso about yourself
[08:28] <TheKaoticEvil> raphink:  oh.. damn... maybe i am the only one who sleeps at his computer :(
[08:28] <raphink> TheKaoticEvil: actually my bed is just over my computer
[08:28] <raphink> or my computer under my bed if you prefer
[08:29] <TheKaoticEvil> raphink:  not quite the same... i tend to fall asleep AT my desk...
[08:29] <raphink> lol
[08:29] <TheKaoticEvil> dammit, i wish that nick would get disconnected already :(
[08:29] <catmeister> I tend to be at the computer in the living room till I pass out. The office is also the babys room.
[08:29] <TheKaoticEvil> i want my nick back lol
[08:30] <nalioth> TheKaoticEvil: /msg nickserv help ghost
[08:30] <nalioth> TheKaoticEvil: ask for help, quit whining
[08:30] <TheKaoticEvil> :P nalioth 
[08:30] <catmeister> Hey, I switched from ubuntu repository wine to wine-hq repository and now its not making the start menu entries.
[08:31] <TheKaoticEvil> im not used to IRC ;)
[08:31] <nalioth> catmeister: are you using ubuntu santioned repos?
[08:31] <nalioth> TheKaoticEvil: you can ghost your nick if you get lost
[08:31] <KaoticEvil> there we are :D
[08:32] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: dont be a weenie and wait til the ghost is ready to go
[08:32] <catmeister> The only non-ubuntu repos are the ones for wine. I wanted to go to .9 the first beta. Finally!
[08:33] <nalioth> catmeister: be safer to compile it from code, imho
[08:34] <catmeister> I thought I would try the official deb package. But, I can always install from source like I was on slackware.
[08:35] <KaoticEvil> ah, there we go :)
[08:36] <nalioth> catmeister: adding non ubuntu repos is not a wise idea
[08:37] <KaoticEvil> can anyone recommend a Dreamweaver-like app?
[08:38] <catmeister> The wine team has heavily tested it under Ubuntu.
[08:38] <chavo> KaoticEvil, nvu or quanta
[08:39] <catmeister> I added the wine projects sourceforge apt repository. 
[08:40] <nalioth> catmeister: not wise. add the deb-src repos if there are any, and have apt build the pkg for you
[08:41] <KaoticEvil> oooooooooo........... nvu is nice looking :D
[08:43] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: dont hold it against nvu that it started as a linspire project
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> as i dont know what linspire is... 
[08:44] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you DONT? good!
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> lol
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> anything like lindows? :P
[08:45] <KaoticEvil> i like the lookNfeel of it...
[08:46] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: yes lindows became linspire
[08:46] <KaoticEvil> ewwwwwwwwww
[08:46] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: a very very bad distro
[08:46] <catmeister> Yeah, I concur.
[08:46] <KaoticEvil> yes, i know.. i saw it in action... or lack thereof
[08:47] <catmeister> Linspire is SLIGHTLY better than Windows. Ugggh.
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> a friend ofm ine actually ran lindows... he said it was going to replace windows in the next 2 or 3 years
[08:48] <KaoticEvil> i laughed at him
[08:49] <catmeister> Linspire: For people who actually like Windows
[08:49] <KaoticEvil> << likes windows
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> i just like linux better ;)
[08:50] <catmeister> Slacksware: very stable but definately showing its age
[08:50] <chiron> robitaille: it's a bug in System Settings
[08:50] <chiron> robitaille: it hasn't been fixed yet
[08:50] <catmeister> Mandriva: Good for beginners but too dumbed down for my taste
[08:51] <chiron> so has anyone installed KOffice using apt?
[08:51] <catmeister> Kubuntu: Well, I mostly like what Ive seen so far. 
[08:52] <chiron> Kubuntu is appealing to many different skill levels because of the debian package system
[08:52] <catmeister> chiron, sudo apt-get install koffice
[08:52] <chiron> catmeister: works, but doesn't run
[08:53] <chiron> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in kword's desktop file. Check your installation !
[08:53] <catmeister> Hmmm... Im installing it now. Lets see what happens when I try to open it.
[08:54] <chiron> k
[08:54] <catmeister> No problem, opened fine.
[08:57] <catmeister> chiron, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall koffice
[09:00] <chiron> catmeister: what version of KDE do you use?
[09:02] <catmeister> 3.4
[09:02] <chiron> catmeister: see, I'm using 3.5
[09:03] <chiron> catmeister: it's probably a beta bug
[09:03] <KaoticEvil> wow.....
[09:03] <catmeister> That could be.
[09:04] <chiron> could other people test to see if KOffice works for them?
[09:04] <catmeister> What Kaotic?
[09:04] <chiron> if we can establish a link between the version of KDE and whether KOffice works or not
[09:04] <chiron> I can report it as a bug
[09:09] <catmeister> When is kde gonna dump arts?
[09:14] <catmeister> Just out of curiousity, anyone a tech/helpdesk/coder for a living? Im helpdesk.
[09:14] <aftertaf> helpdesk :/
[09:14] <aftertaf> & tech
[09:14] <crimsun> all three at various points
[09:14] <blockhead> can someone tell me how to  find uni/multiverse repositories for 5.10?
[09:14] <aftertaf> !repositories
[09:14] <ubotu> How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example soruces.list
[09:16] <RaRe> !resolution
[09:16] <ubotu> resolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:16] <RaRe> <3 ubotu!
[09:17] <mth`MAW> hi guys
[09:17] <catmeister> Im running off a 5.04 initial install, but all packages are at the newest version. So, its more like an updated 5.1.
[09:20] <catmeister> Well, I really need to get to sleep.
[09:22] <chiron> can someone else test the KOffice packages?
[09:22] <chiron> just apt-get koffice
[09:22] <KaoticEvil> chiron:  i just did.. they worked fine for me...
[09:23] <chiron> KDE 3.5?
[09:23] <KaoticEvil> no, sorry :(
[09:23] <chiron> or 3.4.3?
[09:23] <chiron> damn
[09:23] <KaoticEvil> 3.4
[09:23] <chiron> does anyone here have KDE 3.5?
[09:23] <chiron> anybody at all
[09:23] <KaoticEvil> id like to try it :)
[09:23] <chiron> KaoticEvil: then upgrade
[09:23] <chiron> KaoticEvil: it's got great new features
[09:24] <chiron> KaoticEvil: not to mention that it's faster
[09:24] <KaoticEvil> im a lil leary about running a beta WM tho
[09:24] <chiron> KaoticEvil: yeah, I was a little scared
[09:24] <chiron> KaoticEvil: arts doesn't work, so you can't upgrade that
[09:24] <KaoticEvil> doh
[09:24] <chiron> KaoticEvil: and there is this library problem with Akgregator
[09:24] <KaoticEvil> i dont know what that is :P
[09:24] <chiron> KaoticEvil: it works, but it shows an error message
[09:25] <chiron> lol
[09:25] <chiron> KaoticEvil: perhaps you should stay with KDE stable...
[09:25] <KaoticEvil> im planning on it ;)
[09:25] <KaoticEvil> maybe later on in my linux life, ill get brave enough to try a beta WM
[09:31] <chiron> boy, KDE isn't acting too friendly right now
[09:31] <chiron> I'm gonna restart
[09:31] <chiron> lol
[09:31] <blockhead> can someone tell me how to install mozilla-mplayer in 5.10?
[09:32] <blockhead> how much of ubuntuguide.org applies to breezy?
[09:35] <aftertaf> blockhead:  avoid that site. it gives bad advice and can bork your system
[09:35] <blockhead> hmm
[09:36] <aftertaf> blockhead:  sudo apt-get install  mozilla-mplayer <--- jst this minute done the same and it works, i also installed firefox-dev package
[09:36] <blockhead> when i do apt-get update
[09:36] <blockhead> i get a bunch of these
[09:36] <blockhead> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/multiverse/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[09:37] <aftertaf> blockhead:  ok. edit your sources.list
[09:37] <aftertaf> and remove the ca. at the front, then type sudo apt-get update
[09:37] <blockhead> lol
[09:37] <blockhead> ok
[09:39] <blockhead> eek
[09:39] <blockhead> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[09:39] <aftertaf> doh!!!
[09:39] <aftertaf> me not see....... backports!!!!!
[09:40] <crimsun> there are no breezy backports yet
[09:40] <crimsun> comment out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list and update
[09:40] <blockhead> lol
[09:40] <aftertaf> in 3 lines you want this:
[09:40] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:40] <aftertaf> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:40] <blockhead> lol i got it now
[09:40] <blockhead> feel dumb
[09:40] <aftertaf> cruddage.... only line one in pm...
[09:40] <blockhead> thanks'
[09:40] <aftertaf> lol blockhead nm ;)
[09:41] <blockhead> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:41] <blockhead> E: Couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer
[09:41] <blockhead> nooo
[09:43] <aftertaf> blockhead:  pastebin your sources list.
[09:45] <blockhead> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/421514
[09:45] <aftertaf> ok got it.... remove the whole lot and replace with what i sent you on PM.
[09:46] <aftertaf> you need to enable universe and multiverse, and comment out the cd, but easier if you paste what i sent you.
[09:47] <blockhead> thats all?
[09:48] <aftertaf> yep. its condensed :)
[09:48] <blockhead> hehe
[09:48] <blockhead> much thanks
[09:48] <blockhead> im sure ill have another question soon
[09:50] <aftertaf> lol
[10:01] <blockhead> what codec do i need to get mplayer to play avi files?
[10:08] <havard_> so what's up with the size of the kde 3.5b2 libkcal2a package?
[10:08] <havard_> 42mb?
[10:15] <havard_> anyone know why the libkcal2a package in kde3.5b2 is so goddamned enormous?
[10:15] <Tm_T> it holds so much calendar things?
[10:16] <havard_> it's 42mb. that's an awful lot of "calendar things". 
[10:17] <Tm_T> maybe
[10:36] <fimii> okay, is it possible to make a style that would have a wider scroll bar? I am using a touchscreen, and i'm finding that the standard size for a scrool bar is not wide enough.
[10:47] <nalioth> fimii: that all can be adjusted in the preferences
[10:50] <Kalidarn> ive been a long time ubuntu user however im not sure with Kubuntu and the sources.list what do i need to change? All ubuntu=kubuntu?
[10:51] <nissemus> Kalidarn check if you ubuntu has kde debs..
[10:51] <Kalidarn> where could i get a virgin kubuntu sources.list file
[10:51] <nissemus> apt-chache searc kde
[10:51] <nissemus> or smthng.
[10:51] <Kalidarn> no i reinstalled kubuntu :)
[10:51] <Kalidarn> complete installation
[10:52] <Tm_T> Kalidarn: ubuntu = kubuntu
[10:52] <Kalidarn> yes
[10:52] <nalioth> Kalidarn: the same sources.list works for both
[10:52] <Kalidarn> but the apt-get sources.list are different
[10:52] <Kalidarn> mm they are?
[10:52] <nalioth> Kalidarn: they are not different
[10:52] <Tm_T> Kalidarn: same
[10:52] <Kalidarn> i thought it was #deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[10:52] <nalioth> !kubuntu
[10:52] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[10:52] <nalioth> Kalidarn: those are "unofficial" kubuntu pkgs
[10:52] <Kalidarn> AH
[10:52] <Kalidarn> ;)
[10:53] <nalioth> Kalidarn: use them at your own risk, bug reports go to kubuntu.org
[10:53] <bubblenut> Hi, can anyone point me to a nice guide on how to set up dual screen with my laptop?
[10:53] <nissemus> nalioth haha.... use tham at your own risk.
[10:53] <Kalidarn> mm okay
[10:53] <Kalidarn> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu = deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/kubuntu ?
[10:53] <bubblenut> I have an extra screen here on my desk and it seems a waste not to have it working on my laptop :/
[10:53] <nalioth> robotgeek: build it. it builds fine on my hoary
[10:53] <Tm_T> Kalidarn: no, don't change a thing
[10:54] <Kalidarn> mm defaultly my sources.list are
[10:54] <nissemus> bubblenut www.linux.com
[10:54] <robotgeek> nalioth: ahh, no..i'll just wait!
[10:54] <nalioth> Kalidarn: use the default sources.list
[10:54] <Tm_T> Kalidarn: defaults are fine
[10:54] <Kalidarn> deb http://192.168.0.1/kubntu/
[10:54] <nissemus> bubblenut www.howtoforge.com
[10:54] <Kalidarn> as ive been using PXE
[10:54] <nalioth> robotgeek: i built it t'other day w/o a hiccup
[10:54] <Kalidarn> thats why i am going to completly replace it
[10:55] <robotgeek> nalioth: hmm, too much work. 
[10:55] <nissemus> bubblenut www.linuxdoc.org
[10:55] <Kalidarn> security is normal
[10:55] <Kalidarn> but the universe and main resticted arent
[10:55] <nalioth> robotgeek: my apt-get did it
[10:55] <Kalidarn> theyre /kubntu
[10:55] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Kalidarn about sources
[10:56] <robotgeek> nalioth: i know, but my poor laptop. not much juice in there! 
[10:56] <Kalidarn> pefect ;)
[10:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: what's up
[10:56] <ubotu> everything is okay thanks
[10:56] <Tm_T> :)
[10:56] <propagandhi> ubotu: hows things?
[10:56] <ubotu> propagandhi: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:56] <propagandhi> lol
[10:56] <robotgeek> !botabuse
[10:56] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[10:57] <Tm_T> robotgeek: I don't
[10:58] <propagandhi> nobody needs to be the nazi
[10:58] <propagandhi> I abide by the rules
[10:58] <Kalidarn> mm thats straight that the ubuntu sources are EXACTLY the same, this doesnt indicate so in my default sources.list (must be that pXE screws things up)
[10:58] <propagandhi> a comment here and there hardly warrants banning
[10:58] <nalioth> robotgeek: you? i'm afraid that title goes to me
[10:59] <Kalidarn> !robotgeek kick me please
[10:59] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Kalidarn
[10:59] <robotgeek> nalioth: you want it, you got it!
[10:59] <Kalidarn> !robotgeek ban
[10:59] <ubotu> Kalidarn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:59] <Kalidarn> !robotgeek retard
[10:59] <ubotu> Kalidarn: What?
[10:59] <nalioth> Kalidarn: what are you doing?
[10:59] <robotgeek> Kalidarn: what are you trying to pull?
[11:00] <Kalidarn> ?
[11:00] <bimberi> Kalidarn: ubotu is a bot, robotgeek is human - does that help?
[11:00] <Kalidarn> lol
[11:00] <Kalidarn> hahahahaa
[11:01] <Kalidarn> i thought robotgeek was a bot too
[11:01] <propagandhi> http://www.bisonium.com/blog/images/Gates-Jugend.jpg
[11:02] <fimii> so wait... where can i configure how big my scroll bars are...
[11:02] <nalioth> fimii: right click on the offensive bar and see if there are preferences
[11:02] <robotgeek> nalioth: nothing of consequence in 1.3.5/, so i am sticking with what I have
[11:02] <nalioth> fimii: if that doesnt work, i'm sure some of the talented folks can help you further
[11:03] <fimii> right. time to find a real mouse.
[11:03] <nalioth> robotgeek: i only built it cuz ridde11 asked me to (for hoary compatibility)
[11:03] <robotgeek> nalioth: these are the debs you are rolling out?
[11:04] <nalioth> robotgeek: i'im not rolling anything out yet, i built it locally 
[11:04] <nalioth> pbuilder still is giving me the finger
[11:04] <nalioth> robotgeek: did you get any notices recently?
[11:04] <robotgeek> nalioth: uggh, ugly
[11:04] <robotgeek> nalioth: yup, ty
[11:07] <nalioth> robotgeek: interested?
[11:07] <robotgeek> nalioth: nope, running a bit low on cash
[11:07] <bubblenut> nissemus: linux.com returns all it's articles no matter what I search on, and howtoforge.com is completely the oposite, I can't get any search results for dual screen
[11:07] <robotgeek> nalioth: plus, i don't have a desktop machine yet. just waiting for things to settle down
[11:07] <nalioth> robotgeek: your sister doesn't need a 6 unit raid array?
[11:08] <robotgeek> nalioth: yeah, right!
[11:08] <nalioth> robotgeek: pshaw. scsi > firewire adaptor, bingo! instant firewire raid
[11:08] <robotgeek> sweet...
[11:13] <fimii> http://fabulousgeek.com/v/desktop/snapshot1.png.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[11:42] <at1as> bubblenut:  gg: dual head ubuntu
[12:10] <dragonkh> er
[12:24] <bgrah> hallo, habe grade kubuntu auf altnotebook installiert und habe nun leider keine vernnftige Bildschirmauflsung . Welcher x-server wird benutzt und wie stelle ich den ein ?
[12:33] <Kalidarn> why the hell does my net interface change all the damn time
[12:33] <Kalidarn> to 255.0.0.0
[12:33] <Kalidarn> i want 255.255.255.0 soon as i click, Ok and Apply it reverts.
[12:48] <storkur> does anyone know how to install vlc via apt get ?
[12:49] <Kimppa> Hi. I'm trying to get skype to work, but when I make a call, I get an error message saying "problem with sound device" and the call fails. In Skype's options the only sound device available is /dev/dsp
[12:49] <Kimppa> any ideas?
[12:54] <mth`MAW> try an killall artsd before starting skype
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> Kimppa: /dev/dsp is in use by artsd, you can either killall artsd or artsshell suspend before running skype, you can also try running skype through artsdsp skype to get skype to use arts, that way you don't have to suspend or kill artsd.
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> Kimppa: however is running it via artsdsp doesn't work you'll have to resort to suspending or killing artsd.
[01:05] <Kimppa> I tried in gnome and it worked fine. When I booted back to kde, skype worked. Then I put amarok on, and skype stopped working
[01:05] <Kimppa> do you know how to get skype to use artsdsp?
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> Kimppa: that's because the soundserver is set to suspend itself if nothing uses it for a while. So when you ran amarok and put arts to use it grabbed control of /dev/dsp again
[01:08] <Kimppa> ok
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> Kimppa: type artsdsp [program name]  in a shell to get it to run inside arts
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> ie. artsdsp skype - if that's the name of the executable.
[01:11] <Kimppa> Hmm...
[01:11] <Kimppa> kimppa@kleppane:~ $ artsdsp skype
[01:11] <Kimppa> Segmentation fault
[01:12] <Kimppa> can I have amarok and skype both use the same sound engine simultaneosly?
[01:18] <propagandhi> !arabs
[01:18] <ubotu> propagandhi: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:18] <propagandhi> !arabs
[01:18] <ubotu> propagandhi: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:19] <propagandhi> ubotu: arabs
[01:20] <propagandhi> !anus
[01:20] <ubotu> Wish i knew, propagandhi
[01:25] <propagandhi> hey
[01:25] <propagandhi> anyone here
[01:26] <dipnlik> hi propagandhi . if you have a problem, just ask
[01:27] <propagandhi> dipnlik: no prblem just seeing if there was any life
[01:27] <Kimppa> :)
[01:27] <dipnlik> propagandhi: cool, feel free to... well, stay :)
[01:27] <propagandhi> lol
[01:27] <propagandhi> thats good
[01:27] <propagandhi> at least kubuntu still has a place for me
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> Kimppa: sorry - ran out to put my son on the bus. artsdsp WOULD HAVE been to have them both use the same. unofortunately skype doesn't seem to be artsdsp friendly. So you'll have to give up your /dev/dsp to skype totally by suspending or killing. :(
[01:31] <Kimppa> LeeJunFan: no problem. And thank you
[01:31] <Kimppa> If I close amarok completely, then skype will work
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> Kimppa: yeah, it may take a few seconds. You can adjust the time artsd will wait before suspending by opening kcontrol and going to sound & multimedia -> Sound System, and ajust the auto suspend. Probably 1 second is what you'll want.
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> Kimppa: might even be that by default.
[01:34] <Mars> Someone using kxdocker?
[01:34] <Kimppa> hehe, was 60 seconds by default :)
[01:42] <Mars> Hmm
[01:42] <Mars> i dont know how to unable plugin in kxdocker
[01:43] <Mars> cause it is still mounting some drivers
[01:43] <Mars> that i dont want to see on my docker
[02:25] <thedrawer> hi
[02:26] <thedrawer> can someone help me?
[02:27] <icewt> not until you ask the question
[02:29] <thedrawer> oh sorry
[02:30] <thedrawer> was installing java just now
[02:30] <thedrawer> http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=1474.msg5662#msg5662
[02:30] <thedrawer> here's my problem
[02:32] <icewt> what happens if you type firefox in a terminal window?
[02:33] <thedrawer> nothing
[02:33] <thedrawer> I tried typing ./firefox, which made it load for a some time. then nothing.
[02:36] <thedrawer> ideas anyone?
[02:37] <icewt> why did you install firefox that way in the first place? isn't 1.0.7 in the ubuntu repositories? at least for hoary/breezy
[02:38] <manveru> when is 1.5 ready for breezy?
[02:38] <thedrawer> it is?
[02:38] <manveru> 1.0.7 is in...
[02:38] <thedrawer> goddamnit...
[02:38] <manveru> hehe
[02:39] <manveru> next time just use 'apt-cache show mozilla-firefox'
[02:39] <manveru> and you'll see the version
[02:39] <Chousuke> It'll be backported
[02:39] <manveru> 1.0.7-0ubuntu20 (on my side)
[02:40] <Chousuke> But breezy is officially stuck with 1.0.7
[02:40] <Chousuke> which kind of sucks.
[02:40] <Chousuke> 1.5 is good
[02:40] <manveru> yeah, i have only shortcuts for it yet
[02:40] <Chousuke> 1.0.x still have that annoying "must render whole content before displaying" bug
[02:41] <thedrawer> I typed apt-cache show mozilla-firefox in the Konsole, but nothing happened
[02:41] <Chousuke> which is VERY noticeable if you open 20 tabs at the same time
[02:41] <vicks> this is also a bit interesting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion?highlight=%28firefox%29
[02:41] <Chousuke> you have to wait for the tabs all to be rendered before you can browse them at all
[02:42] <manveru> the coolest feature for me is the no-error-popups-anymore feature
[02:42] <thedrawer> who would open 20 tabs at the same time in the first place? :D
[02:42] <manveru> uhm, me :)
[02:42] <manveru> for example while google-searching
[02:42] <manveru> or browsing large galleries
[02:43] <Chousuke> thedrawer: me, every morning
[02:43] <Chousuke> to check some webcomics.
[02:43] <thedrawer> he :D
[02:43] <thedrawer> you can't check them one by one, or two by two? :P
[02:43] <Chousuke> no.
[02:43] <thedrawer> of course not :D
[02:44] <manveru> ^^
[02:44] <Chousuke> it's a lot more convenient to "open links in tabs"
[02:44] <Chousuke> -links
[02:44] <Chousuke> I have them all in a folder.
[02:44] <thedrawer> so anyways how do I start firefox?
[02:44] <manveru> however, 1.5 rocks... if only more plugins where ready
[02:44] <manveru> ok, let's help :)
[02:45] <manveru> what version of kubuntu do you have?
[02:45] <thedrawer> 5.1
[02:45] <manveru> 5.10?
[02:45] <thedrawer> yeah
[02:45] <manveru> ah, k
[02:45] <Chousuke> on 1.5, the limiting factor as to how fast I can browse the comics is bandwidth :P
[02:45] <manveru> upgraded?
[02:45] <thedrawer> ?
[02:45] <manveru> from 5.4
[02:45] <manveru> or clean install
[02:45] <Chousuke> thedrawer: manually installed 1.5? or?
[02:46] <thedrawer> clean
[02:46] <manveru> ok, however - type 'sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[02:46] <thedrawer> chousuke: firefox?
[02:47] <Chousuke> thedrawer: yes.
[02:47] <thedrawer> chousuke: no. I tried to install 1.0.7 :P
[02:48] <thedrawer> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-thedrawer" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:48] <thedrawer> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[02:48] <thedrawer> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[02:49] <manveru> uh :)
[02:49] <Chousuke> thedrawer: 'k.
[02:49] <Chousuke> can't find a link in the menus? ;P
[02:51] <thedrawer> this is weird
[02:51] <qbit> try kdesu kate instead
[02:51] <nalioth> thedrawer: that is what happens when you open kde apps as a superuser and DONT USE kdesu to do it
[02:51] <qbit> yup
[02:52] <thedrawer> ok
[02:52] <nalioth> thedrawer: you'll need to rename that file with the bad permissions 
[02:52] <nalioth> thedrawer: and always use kdesu to open kde gui apps as a superuser
[02:52] <thedrawer> the sources.list?
[02:52] <nalioth> 07:47 < thedrawer> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-thedrawer" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:52] <thedrawer> ok
[02:53] <thedrawer> sorry, I'm a linux-virgin
[02:53] <nalioth> thedrawer: and dont ever open gnome gui apps unless you use gksudo (it does horrible things to your box)
[02:55] <thedrawer> I gave that kdecache-thedrawer -folder full permissions for anyone
[02:56] <nalioth> thedrawer: better to have renamed or removed it. it is temporary in nature (that's why it's in the /var/tmp/ folder)
[02:56] <thedrawer> ok
[02:56] <thedrawer> I got the sources.list file opened now
[02:56] <nalioth> thedrawer: giving things universal permissions is sometimes as bad as the other way
[02:57] <thedrawer> deleted
[02:58] <thedrawer> so what do I do now?
[03:00] <nalioth> thedrawer: got about your business
[03:00] <nalioth> blah
[03:00] <nalioth> thedrawer: continue your business
[03:00] <manveru> thedrawer: ok, back again
[03:01] <manveru> now, could you please take the content of the file, and copy it to http://rafb.net/paste
[03:05] <thedrawer> this is weird
[03:05] <thedrawer> reboot
[03:05] <manveru> ?.?
[03:10] <_thedrawer_> so how did I open that file again
[03:10] <_thedrawer_> ?
[03:10] <_thedrawer_> :P
[03:11] <manveru> why did you restart?
[03:11] <thedrawer> nothing worked
[03:11] <manveru> nothing?
[03:11] <thedrawer> well IRC worked, but that's about it
[03:12] <thedrawer> I couldn't load any web-pages, no nothing
[03:12] <manveru> next time, try restarting your X-server
[03:12] <thedrawer> ok
[03:12] <manveru> just logout and press [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace] 
[03:12] <manveru> (its only my personal dislike of restarting a computer)
[03:12] <thedrawer> thanks
[03:13] <manveru> however, to open the file do 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[03:14] <thedrawer> and where do I paste the contents?
[03:14] <manveru> to http://rafb.net/paste
[03:15] <manveru> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com (this would have been the std one - next time)
[03:16] <thedrawer> pasted
[03:16] <manveru> please give me the url
[03:16] <thedrawer> http://rafb.net/paste/results/VhpMAO66.html
[03:16] <manveru> ty
[03:17] <thedrawer> you're now hacking my pc aren't you? :D
[03:17] <manveru> wow
[03:17] <manveru> of course ;)
[03:17] <thedrawer> so
[03:17] <manveru> i'll give you a new sources.list
[03:17] <thedrawer> ok
[03:17] <thedrawer> cool
[03:17] <manveru> or even better
[03:17] <manveru> i say you how to change yours
[03:18] <thedrawer> uncomment them?
[03:18] <manveru> so you get a bit used to it
[03:18] <manveru> comment the cd-entry
[03:18] <thedrawer> did
[03:18] <manveru> and uncomment every line that starts with deb or deb-src
[03:18] <manveru> except this one: # deb http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[03:18] <manveru> and the deb-src below it
[03:19] <manveru> when you are done - save it
[03:19] <thedrawer> so
[03:19] <manveru> and type 'sudo apt-get update' in the console
[03:19] <thedrawer> what happens now?
[03:19] <thedrawer> ok
[03:20] <manveru> now it takes a while to update
[03:20] <thedrawer> wanna tell me what I just did?
[03:20] <manveru> and after that try 'apt-cache show mozilla-firefox'
[03:20] <manveru> sure
[03:20] <manveru> this is just a bunch of urls
[03:20] <manveru> and now apt-get fetches lists of packages from them
[03:21] <thedrawer> oh
[03:21] <thedrawer> ok
[03:21] <manveru> and they are the mirrors of the packages
[03:21] <manveru> you can browse them with konqueror as well
[03:21] <manveru> to get a feeling how the magic works :)
[03:23] <thedrawer> where did they go?
[03:24] <manveru> hm?
[03:24] <manveru> 'they'?
[03:24] <thedrawer> the things it downloaded
[03:24] <thedrawer> if I want to browse them
[03:24] <manveru> you can browse them via adept
[03:25] <manveru> just do a 'kdesu adept'
[03:25] <manveru> or look in your k-menu
[03:25] <thedrawer> or just click it from the quick menu
[03:25] <manveru> exactly
[03:25] <thedrawer> whoa!
[03:25] <manveru> you could have changed your sources in it as well...
[03:25] <thedrawer> 3dchess!!!
[03:26] <manveru> now try typing firefox in there
[03:26] <manveru> (don't get 3dchess - the name got nothing to do with the graphics)
[03:26] <nalioth> thedrawer: if you enable universe and multiverse you'll have over 11,000 programs to play with
[03:27] <thedrawer> cool
[03:27] <manveru> oops, wrong button
[03:27] <thedrawer> what should I install from these? the firefox and language support?
[03:27] <manveru> exactly
[03:28] <thedrawer> I can get everything from here?
[03:28] <manveru> almost
[03:28] <thedrawer> ok
[03:28] <manveru> there are some very special or very new programs you can't find in there
[03:29] <manveru> like the beta of firefox 1.5 :)
[03:29] <thedrawer> thank you very much!
[03:29] <nalioth> thedrawer: most everything you'll need is available via adept
[03:29] <thedrawer> I actually tried to manually install it as well
[03:29] <nalioth> thedrawer: there are things to be said about stability over "bling"
[03:29] <thedrawer> nalioth: thanks
[03:29] <thedrawer> nalioth: i know
[03:30] <nalioth> thedrawer: iow, unlike windows (where the next version promises less crappiness) in linux, the programs aren't crap to start with
[03:31] <thedrawer> nalioth: why do you think I swtched? :P
[03:32] <manveru> there are many reasons to switch... :)
[03:32] <thedrawer> nalioth:*switched
[03:32] <nalioth> thedrawer: well, i've noticed lots of windows user who have recently switched fall into the "i have to have the latest thing" and cant wait >6 months 
[03:35] <thedrawer> how do I start the firefox now that I've installed it?
[03:36] <nalioth> thedrawer: if it's not in your 'internet' menu, you can start it from "run program"
[03:37] <manveru> if it doesn't show up in your menu, run 'kappfinder'
[03:37] <manveru> it collects missing application and puts them in the menu
[03:38] <thedrawer> it's there, but when I try to run it, it begins to load it and then it dissapears
[03:39] <voicu> can someone help me with kynaptic? if i want to install any package, it wants to uninstall almost all the other packages...
[03:39] <manveru> try to run it in the console
[03:39] <nalioth> thedrawer: remove or rename your ~/.mozilla/firefox   or ~/.firefox directory
[03:39] <nalioth> thedrawer: or do as manveru advises
[03:40] <manveru> to say it better, just type 'firefox'
[03:42] <thedrawer> doesn't work
[03:42] <nalioth> thedrawer: what does the console print out when you type firefox and <enter>?
[03:42] <thedrawer> nothing
[03:43] <thedrawer> just the line that's always there
[03:43] <thedrawer> something@something: 
[03:43] <thedrawer> ~$
[03:44] <thedrawer> I wonder if this has something to do with the symbolic links I created while I was following the tutorial drom the ubuntulinux.org
[03:45] <nalioth> thedrawer: that is probably what it is
[03:45] <nalioth> thedrawer: type /usr/bin/firefox 
[03:46] <thedrawer> no such directory
[03:46] <thedrawer> nevermind :D
[03:46] <thedrawer> but it didn't help
[03:47] <thedrawer> and I'm getting an awful feeling of deja vu right now
[03:49] <manveru> hmm
[03:49] <manveru> the odd thing is that it doesn't throw any error
[03:49] <nalioth> thedrawer: dont follow the forums too closely
[03:50] <manveru> what does 'whereis firefox' say?
[03:50] <stbain> or "which firefox"
[03:50] <Update> do you believe the sentence "The root of all evil" ?
[03:50] <thedrawer> firefox: /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/X11/firefox /usr/share/man/man1/firefox.1.gz
[03:50] <metallic> hello world, a question:
[03:50] <manveru> and the error was 'no such directory'?
[03:50] <Update> metallic
[03:50] <Update> do you believe the sentence "The root of all evil" ?
[03:51] <thedrawer> manveru: no! just forget that line! my bad :)
[03:51] <manveru> metallic: go on - and don't listen to Update :)
[03:51] <metallic> yes yes moment :)
[03:52] <thedrawer> http://whiteninjacomics.com/comics/sculptor.shtml
[03:53] <voicu> can someone help me with kynaptic? if i want to install any package, it wants to uninstall almost all the other packages...
[03:54] <Update> what mdadm ?
[03:54] <Update> what is mdadm ?
[03:54] <stbain> Update: mdadm is the root of all evil
[03:55] <Update> why ?
[03:55] <stbain> errr... wait
[03:55] <metallic> when i add a repository on apt, it search (repository)/debian/sarge/main/amd_64... am i make to make that it holds as i give it (whitout "amd-64"...?
[03:55] <stbain> I got that wrong
[03:55] <Update> stbain, i think you are eviler then mdadm
[03:56] <stbain> ubotu: tell metallic about repositories
[03:56] <stbain> Update: I believe mdadm is used for software RAID configurations
[03:56] <metallic> thanks ubotu, no PM... and thanks stbain!
[03:56] <Update> software RAID ?
[03:57] <stbain> yes
[03:57] <Update> so i can have rais with out having raid ?!
[03:57] <stbain> ubotu is a bot
[03:57] <ubotu> stbain: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:57] <stbain> ubotu: botsnacks
[03:57] <ubotu> thanks stbain :)
[03:57] <Update> so i can have raid with out having raid ?!
[03:57] <metallic> is it a bot?
[03:58] <stbain> yes
[03:58] <stbain> !restrictedformats
[03:58] <ubotu> I heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[03:58] <Update> can i have raid 2 with just one hard drive ?
[03:58] <stbain> ubotu: tell update about raid
[03:58] <Update> cant raid work with 2 partitions ?
[03:59] <Update> stbain, i think i know what raid is 
[04:00] <Update> why is kubuntu shiping cdroms free of charge ?
[04:01] <stbain> wow that wiki page needs some work
[04:02] <metallic> http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/dists/sarge/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: 404
[04:02] <metallic> could not download all repository indexes
[04:02] <manveru> Update: well, if you look at the word 'ubuntu' it just seems natural
[04:02] <Update> metallic this is kubuntu not debian 
[04:03] <metallic> but the *.deb binaries run on kubuntu?
[04:03] <manveru> some of them
[04:03] <metallic> the problem is on architeture, repository i386 and SO amd64... it search bad index file
[04:04] <Update> manveru so its a fishing thing ?
[04:04] <manveru> you have to be careful with .deb files for debian - they have some differences to the (k)ubuntu ones
[04:04] <Update> hunting ?
[04:05] <manveru> Update: no, 'ubuntu'=>'towards humanity' and giving away cds for free is indeed a gift to humanity
[04:05] <Update> has bin laden requested a cdrom yet ?
[04:06] <manveru> he is in custody afaik...
[04:06] <stbain> shhh... that's classified
[04:06] <Update> so i guess ubuntu is worth for something 
[04:07] <manveru> at least for giving you some hours of fun
[04:07] <Update> that depends on wich side of kubuntu you are
[04:07] <vulcanoo> hello
[04:08] <manveru> hey vulcanoo
[04:08] <vulcanoo> i have a probleme with playing mp3 with amarok
[04:08] <vulcanoo> hy manveru
[04:08] <manveru> ubotu: tell vulcanoo about mp3
[04:09] <vulcanoo> when i try to play mp3 there is no sound
[04:09] <vulcanoo> it works fine with xmms
[04:09] <Update> manveru, do you think manging my bank acount using ubuntu yould work ?
[04:09] <metallic> no possibility to use i386 repositories?
[04:09] <manveru> three questions at once :)
[04:10] <manveru> vulcanoo: please check your sound-configuration in amarok
[04:10] <manveru> Update: i do that, using my browser...
[04:10] <manveru> metallic: there is the possibility... i just don't know how
[04:10] <vulcanoo> manveru: ok i have gtseamer engine
[04:10] <manveru> vulcanoo: now check the configuration in xmms
[04:10] <metallic> vulcanoo: install and use the arts engine
[04:11] <metallic> gtseamer don't play mp3
[04:11] <vulcanoo> manveru: ok but now i am not in front of my desktop
[04:11] <manveru> it does - but you have to get gstreamer-mp3 or something like that
[04:11] <vulcanoo> metallic: it is a bug?
[04:11] <Update>  gstreamer i from ubuntu this is kubuntu
[04:11] <manveru> no - a feature...
[04:11] <manveru> only kidding :)
[04:11] <manveru> wait a second, i'll look it up
[04:12] <metallic> it is a bug...? what?
[04:12] <Update> vulcanoo, you need lib-mad you wierdo 
[04:12] <manveru> vulcanoo: have you got the win32codecs
[04:12] <vulcanoo> metallic: gstreamer doesnt play mp3: it is a bug?
[04:12] <_temp> amarok use gstreamer as default and it works with mp3
[04:12] <metallic> nono a feature
[04:13] <Update> amarok uses arts
[04:13] <RaRe> How do i "run as root" - i'm trying to install the nvidia driver but it keeps saying ERROR: nvidia-installer must be run as root
[04:13] <RaRe> can anyone help please?
[04:13] <vulcanoo> manveru: yes i have erevy thing
[04:13] <manveru> RaRe: 'sudo whateveryouwanttodo'
[04:13] <metallic> RaRe
[04:13] <manveru> ubotu: tell RaRe about root
[04:13] <metallic> on shell digit "su" and the root password
[04:13] <RaRe> thank you
[04:13] <RaRe> what's do
[04:13] <Update> but the X wont start :)
[04:13] <vulcanoo> Update: i will try arts
[04:14] <manveru> metallic: there is no root in (k)ubuntu
[04:14] <Update> vulcanoo, you need lib-mad you wierdo 
[04:14] <stbain> there is, but it's disabled
[04:14] <stbain> (root that is)
[04:14] <metallic> yes: "sudo passwd" this set the root password
[04:14] <vulcanoo> why amarok is so complicated to set up?
[04:14] <manveru> metallic: why the hell do you want that?
[04:15] <Update> you gota luv ubuntu security technologies :-)
[04:15] <vulcanoo> please manveru:so gstreamer works with amarok?
[04:15] <manveru> so, need to do some real work now - hope you get along using the great and almighty google
[04:16] <manveru> vulcanoo: maybe - haven't used it
[04:16] <Update> amarok uses arts
[04:16] <Update> amarok uses arts
[04:16] <_temp> I use gstreamer with amarok
[04:16] <Update> isntall ALSA 
[04:16] <manveru> Update: amarok uses what you tell to use
[04:16] <metallic> arts play mp3!
[04:17] <Update> you need lib-mad to play mp3
[04:17] <vulcanoo> ok i will try arts.But what's gstreamer,arts?
[04:17] <manveru> vulcanoo: gstreamer is another sound-engine
[04:17] <Update> ALSA is better
[04:18] <tenco_> is there a package to typeset sheet music in kubuntu?
[04:18] <Update> gstreamer is from gnome :P
[04:18] <vulcanoo> manveru: a sound engine?????
[04:18] <metallic> on ubuntu is very difficulty mp3 playing...
[04:18] <vulcanoo> but what are alsa and oss?
[04:19] <metallic> but on kubuntu it's easy...
[04:19] <Update> its easy ?
[04:19] <manveru> vulcanoo: these are the drivers in the kernel
[04:19] <manveru> !mp3
[04:19] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - click away:)
[04:19] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.10 Stopped
[04:20] <metallic> Update: yes, install arts
[04:20] <metallic> it's included on Kubuntu 5.10 DVD
[04:20] <manveru> metallic: arts is in kde already
[04:20] <Update> how do i get winamp on linux ?
[04:20] <manveru> Update: you don't get winamp on linux
[04:20] <Update> that sucks
[04:20] <manveru> Update: no - amrok is better anyway...
[04:20] <Update> isnt xmms winamp ?
[04:20] <manveru> s/amrok/amarok
[04:21] <Update> no its not
[04:21] <metallic> winamp don't exist for linux, but an winamp-like media player (it run whit the winamp skins) is beep-media-player
[04:21] <manveru> xmms = X MultiMedia System
[04:21] <Update> isnt it noatun ?
[04:21] <manveru> there are loads of mp3-players
[04:21] <Update> noatun is winamp for linux 
[04:21] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[04:21] <manveru> just try some
[04:22] <manveru> noatun sucks (only my opinion)
[04:22] <Tm_T> Update: there is not "winamp for linux"
[04:22] <Update> noatun looks just like winamp
[04:22] <Tm_T> manveru: it does
[04:22] <Tm_T> does not
[04:23] <manveru> well, it doesn't matter for me - nobody says what player i have to use :)
[04:23] <gibarian> Hi everyone
[04:23] <Update> manveru are you vulcano ?
[04:24] <manveru> Update: are you real?
[04:24] <Update> no im my owne invention
[04:24] <gibarian> uh...does anyone know if there's a script for amarok to record streams?
[04:24] <manveru> gibarian: there might be - but there are lots of other programs who could do that
[04:25] <manveru> gibarian: try it on the #amarok channel
[04:25] <Update> YOU NEED LIB-MAD 
[04:25] <Update> YOU NEED LIB-MAD 
[04:25] <Update> YOU NEED LIB-MAD 
[04:25] <Update> YOU NEED LIB-MAD 
[04:25] <gibarian> manveru: thanks
[04:26] <Update> LOL
[04:26] <manveru> too bad i had to add update to my ignore-list... now nobody listens to him anymore
[04:26] <gibarian> what's his problem?
[04:26] <manveru> he has no real friends..
[04:26] <Update> LOL
[04:27] <manveru> maybe not even one who could invite him to google-mail...
[04:27] <Update> i have plenty of friends
[04:27] <gibarian> oh, just like the rest of us?
[04:27] <tenco_> Update: stop that!
[04:27] <manveru> well, i have got some friends :)
[04:28] <manveru> tenco_: just ignore him...
[04:28] <Update> are you sure theyr really your friends ?
[04:28] <gibarian> oh, I don't. I'm quite lonely really...it's me and my computer
[04:28] <Update> theyr only after your tech savvy
[04:28] <Update> LOL
[04:28] <manveru> yeah, but you don't freak out about it
[04:28] <gibarian> manveru: yeah, well, should I? Friends are overrated anyway
[04:29] <manveru> most of them are... but to have one or two true friends is really fine
[04:29] <gibarian> manveru: hmm, well, I'll go and find some friends then...take care
[04:30] <Update> how needs friends when you got a priest 
[04:30] <Update> my boss is my bet friend 
[04:31] <Update> best 
[04:31] <manveru> it appears to me that this channel has no operator
[04:32] <Update> i could be operator in here 
[04:32] <Update> operators shouldnt have any friends
[04:32] <angelusco> lol
[04:32] <angelusco> hey all, and u don't have friends ?
[04:33] <Update> not in here
[04:33] <angelusco> hahaha, cool
[04:33] <Update> i think soo too
[04:33] <Update>  manveru is that way to show friendship ?
[04:34] <Update> CTCP friendship sounds kinky 
[04:34] <angelusco> =) hey, i guess u are up to date with linux right? could u tell me how to install a hp scanjet 4400c ???
[04:34] <angelusco> i can't find how to do that
[04:35] <Update> have you google it ?
[04:35] <angelusco> yap
[04:35] <angelusco> there is only information about it is not supported by sane
[04:35] <Update> do it again and start on the last page
[04:35] <angelusco> how did u make the serach?
[04:35] <angelusco> HP Scanjet 4400c & linux
[04:36] <Update> your ansering your owne questions now are you ?
[04:37] <angelusco> i looked for it like that, but i can't find how to installed it
[04:37] <Update> google shrink & linux 
[04:37] <Update> hi Danny| 
[04:37] <Update> hi _melkor 
[04:37] <Danny|> sup
[04:37] <_melkor> word
[04:38] <Update> we dont use word 
[04:38] <Update> i use kate 
[04:38] <_melkor> so do I
[04:39] <Update> but you have to save using the MS compatible thingy
[04:39] <angelusco> or openoffice
[04:39] <Update> no open office
[04:39] <Update> everthing here starts with a K 
[04:39] <_melkor> have you had any luck installing gnuplot on a kubuntu install?
[04:40] <stbain> kpilot
[04:40] <stbain> err... kplot
[04:40] <_melkor> I need gnuplot for python...
[04:41] <ztonzy> hey :)
[04:41] <Update> ahoy 
[04:41] <ztonzy> updated yesterday to beta
[04:41] <angelusco> my scanner is not supported for linux, lol
[04:41] <_thedrawer_> my firefox doesn't work
[04:41] <ztonzy> and now soundserver crashes at every login
[04:41] <ztonzy> fun!
[04:41] <_thedrawer_> help
[04:41] <_thedrawer_> anyone?
[04:41] <angelusco> i will need to keep windogs on my pc just for my fkcn scanner
[04:41] <ztonzy> I think I go back to Ubuntu ;)
[04:41] <Update> strange HP says it suportes linux
[04:41] <angelusco> #ubuntu
[04:42] <angelusco> oops
[04:42] <angelusco> need to remember commands in here
[04:42] <ztonzy> angelusco, or better, use serverwindow for all suc commands
[04:42] <ztonzy> such*
[04:42] <vulcanoo> OK thanks a lot i will test this evening
[04:43] <_melkor> how about gtk + has anybody tried installing that...wasn't very fun
[04:43] <angelusco> ztonzy, ya i guess
[04:43] <Update> angelusco, next your gona disclose your nicks password
[04:43] <angelusco> disclose my nicks pwd? sorry i don't speak english
[04:43] <vulcanoo> just a remarq: in the listbox sound engine i have inly gstreamer
[04:44] <vulcanoo> ma
[04:44] <vulcanoo> manveru: did you see my message?
[04:44] <Update> hes outr
[04:44] <Update> working or something
[04:44] <manveru> vulcanoo: wich one?
[04:44] <vulcanoo> only one sound engine under amarok
[04:45] <Update> any one rooted kubuntu yet ?
[04:45] <manveru> uhm, yeah
[04:45] <_melkor> Yup
[04:45] <_temp> volcanoo:sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[04:45] <vulcanoo> manveru: so i have to install arts?
[04:45] <manveru> amarok-arts - aRts engine for the amaroK audio player
[04:46] <ztonzy> anyone have kde 3.5 beta 2 ?
[04:46] <_temp> but gstreamer is the default in 5.10?
[04:46] <Update> you need lib-mad for mp3
[04:46] <manveru> this one should help
[04:46] <manveru> it is?
[04:46] <_temp> yeah
[04:46] <manveru> maybe in ubuntu
[04:47] <Update> any one using FUSE  ?
[04:48] <_temp> manveru: Our Kaffeine video player and AmaroK music player now use the GStreamer media framework, a large range of GStreamer plugins are available to support a wide range of different media file formats.
[04:48] <manveru> ah, k
[04:48] <manveru> didn't know about that
[04:48] <manveru> so upgrading the gstreamer is a better idea
[04:48] <Update> GStreamer is from gnome
[04:49] <_melkor> I think my problem is a missing package, which is probably in kynaptic...what packages might I need for x11?
[04:49] <Update> what is your problem ?
[04:49] <_temp> Update: I will just ignore what you're saying
[04:49] <manveru> _temp: yeah, join the club :)
[04:50] <manveru> vulcanoo: ok, try 'apt-cache search gstreamer-*'
[04:50] <Update> hi raphink 
[04:50] <manveru> this should give you a good overview about the extensions for gstreamer
[04:51] <Update> isnt gstreamer for podcasts ?
[04:51] <Update> isnt gstreamer for shoutcasts ??
[04:52] <Update> i mean streaming meadia across the internet
[04:57] <_melkor> When I ./configure in gnuplot directory it seems to go fine.  Then when I make it has an error about a missing makeinfo commmand not found
[04:58] <angelusco> c yall later
[04:58] <angelusco> hey pahink howdy
[04:58] <angelusco> raphink howdy
[05:00] <stbain> heh... _melkor: try this
[05:00] <stbain> in your gnuplot directory
[05:00] <stbain> ../
[05:01] <stbain> rm -rf gnuplot*
[05:01] <stbain> sudo apt-get install gnuplot
[05:01] <angelusco> c ya later, say hi to raphink for me
[05:02] <_melkor> can I just do the sudo apt...
[05:03] <stbain> sure
[05:06] <_melkor> using the sudo apt-get is that similar to using kynaptic?
[05:07] <dennis_p> yes kynaptic and adept are gui's running apt-get
[05:07] <mornfall> dennis_p: wha?
[05:07] <_melkor> would that recognize nescessary packages?
[05:08] <_melkor> or only if they are in the kynaptic data base?
[05:09] <dennis_p> first 'apt-get update' to refresh like the button on kynaptic
[05:09] <Update> hi
[05:12] <dennis_p> I prefered synaptic over manual apt-get as that seemed to fix simple collisions automatically, I guess adept in the kubuntu k-menu does the same.
[05:12] <_melkor> It doesn't like gnuplot
[05:15] <_melkor> so gnuplot was asking about makeinfo, I installed texinfo something or other and now it is cool with that but I still don't have x11
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> heh, Update get kicked much?
[05:16] <Heleborus> hallo
[05:16] <Update> just for your reading pleasure
[05:17] <seaLne> anyone know how you turn off the stupid text completion in the search box in konqueror?
[05:18] <_seezer> seaLne: using beta1 or beta2?
[05:18] <_seezer> (kde)
[05:19] <seaLne> just 3.4.3
[05:19] <seezer> anyway - did you enable 'google advanced search' in your web shortcuts?
[05:19] <seaLne> *i* didn't
[05:20] <seezer> it's no default
[05:20] <seezer> is it enabled?
[05:20] <Update> 
[05:20] <spiral> hi
[05:21] <seaLne> its listed if thats what you mean
[05:21] <Update> lo
[05:21] <seezer> seaLne: i mean if the checkbox is active
[05:21] <seaLne> the "enable web shortcuts" checkbox?
[05:22] <seezer> this and the one beside google advanced search
[05:22] <seaLne> there isn't one beside google advanced search
[05:23] <seezer> hm. this should be it. do you have a 'select search engines...' when you click once on the google logo in the searchbox
[05:23] <seezer> don't know if this existed in 3.4.3
[05:24] <seaLne> if i click on the logo i et a list of search things
[05:24] <gibarian> hello everyone....is there a way to have a fixed mountpoint for a USB mass storage device?
[05:25] <seezer> gibarian: i think suse manages this by reading a ID and having the mountpoint using this id, but don't ask me how they do it. did you try google?
[05:26] <seaLne> seezer: got it i need to right click on the search box then select text completion then change it to none :)
[05:26] <seaLne> seezer: hmm actually that dosen't help
[05:26] <gibarian> yeah, tried google...there was something where someone used udev to have a fixed mountpoint for a stick...but that didn't work out
[05:27] <seezer> seaLne: ah. do you mean the completition of words you typed in there or automatic 'guessing' like google advanced search does?
[05:27] <seaLne> completion of words i type in there
[05:28] <dennis_p> There is a script for kanotix which is more advanced but also based on debian that auto mounts usb
[05:28] <seezer> gibarian: suse uses udev too, but again, no idea of the implementation. there seems to be a usb-device id they read
[05:28] <seaLne> it gets very frustrating when i'm trying to paste a search query in, i have so far searched for ruby bridges about a dozen times today
[05:28] <dennis_p> I was surprised kubuntu does not do it by default yet
[05:28] <seezer> dennis_p: automount or to a fixed mountpoint?
[05:28] <dennis_p> don't know
[05:29] <seezer> automount works fine here - with any usb device
[05:29] <seezer> seaLne: then your right-click thingy should be it.. 
[05:29] <seezer> i like it, so i leave it active :)
[05:31] <libben> HTTP Cache Cleaner just popped up. =) and it been loading for along time. im running firefox. anyone got this too ?
[05:31] <libben> it never seems to stop
[05:34] <gibarian> seeze: thanks...i'll look into it
[05:38] <libben> kan i kill something with xkill if its in the Kde Bar at the bottom?
[05:38] <libben> it never seems to stop
[05:41] <Broxtor> Hi. I'm trying to get lirc to work in Kubuntu, but I get the following error message
[05:41] <Broxtor> readlink() failed for "/dev/lirc"
[05:41] <Broxtor> Does someone know how to solve this?
[05:42] <dennis_p> libben yes had that too in konqueror, only killed kicker though. kubuntu doesn't even have default process manager I think
[05:42] <raphink> sure it does dennis_p 
[05:42] <raphink> ctrl+esc
[05:43] <raphink> gets to the process manager, ksysguard
[05:43] <libben> hmm. it just went away. it was doing something for about 10 mins
[05:43] <raphink> libben: when you need to kill a program, ksysguard can be called by pressing ctrl+esc
[05:43] <raphink> else it can be killed from a console, which is better ;)
[05:44] <dennis_p> ok, last time that did nothing for me. next time you can kill it with ctrl+esc I learned:-)
[05:44] <libben> i couldent find it in console
[05:44] <libben> did ps uxa
[05:44] <wasp_ems> hello
[05:44] <wasp_ems> do u know where i can find decoders to watch movies
[05:44] <libben> but dident find anything that was named something like HTTP Cache Cleaner.
[05:44] <raphink> you can do more than killing with ksysguard dennis_p ;)
[05:44] <raphink> you can reassignate priorities, etc.
[05:44] <raphink> ubotu: tell wasp_ems about w32codecs
[05:44] <dennis_p> I like it for killin! ;-)
[05:45] <raphink> wouldn' t be named this way libben 
[05:45] <libben> what would it be called then =)
[05:45] <raphink> anyone here knows a good digital voice recorder?
[05:46] <raphink> no idea libben ;)
[05:46] <raphink> using ksysguard can help you finding what process is using the proc a lot
[05:46] <wasp_ems> thanx
[05:48] <wasp_ems> although i cannt access the site for some reason..
[05:48] <raphink> hmmm
[05:48] <raphink> wasp_ems: did you search on google ?
[05:48] <tux> #ubuntu
[05:49] <wasp_ems> i am now
[05:49] <raphink> search for `w32codecs ubuntu deb'
[05:49] <judax> wasp_ems: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:50] <judax> wasp_ems: ubotu would have told you that but did not for some reason
[05:50] <raphink> ubotu gave another url
[05:50] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, raphink
[05:50] <raphink> it seems ubotu should be reconfigured for w32codecs
[05:50] <raphink> the url it gives doesn't work
[05:50] <judax> RestrictedFormats wiki page should explain all
[05:51] <raphink> yes judax 
[05:51] <judax> ok, sorry if I caught the tail-end of the conversation
[05:53] <annedore1963> guten tag
[05:53] <raphink> judax: do yo uknow anything about digital voice recorders?
[05:53] <raphink> hier ist Englisch gesprochen annedore1963 
[05:53] <seezer> hier wird :)
[05:53] <raphink> haha
[05:53] <annedore1963> schade...denn das kann ich nicht
[05:53] <raphink> annedore1963: /join #kubuntu-de
[05:54] <annedore1963> ich hab nur eine frage zu kubuntu
[05:54] <raphink> da kannst du Deutsch sprechen
[05:54] <annedore1963> raphink und wie komm ich dahin?habe linox erst ein paar tage
[05:55] <seezer> annedore1963: einfach so eingeben wie es da steht. /join #kubuntu-de
[05:55] <raphink>  /join #kubuntu-de
[05:55] <annedore1963> danke
[05:55] <judax> raphink: no, sorry, have not worked with digital voice recorders
[05:55] <raphink> :)
[05:55] <raphink> ok
[05:55] <annedore1963> by
[05:55] <seezer> ciao
[05:55] <raphink> ciao annedore1963 
[05:56] <annedore1963> da ist keiner und bei euch kann ich wohl auch keine hilfe erwarten obwohl ihr deutsch knnt
[05:56] <raphink> annedore1963: has du das `/join #kubuntu-de' Sache verstanden?
[05:56] <annedore1963> raphink sicher,aber da bin ich alleine
[05:56] <raphink> nein annedore1963 
[05:56] <raphink> da bin ich auch
[05:56] <raphink> und anderen Personen
[05:57] <raphink> how do you say `type' seezer ?
[05:57] <wasp_ems> still cant get w32 codecs..it does not open the link 
[05:57] <dennis_p> raphink: the ogg vorbis codecs are nice for voice so seacrh for support for that and it'll likely have good linux support too
[05:57] <seezer> raphink: tippen
[05:58] <seezer> raphink: you mean to type?
[05:58] <raphink> wasp_ems: did you have a look at the restricted format entry on the wiki?
[05:58] <raphink> seezer: yes to type /join #kubuntu-de
[05:58] <wasp_ems> yes...and when i click the link to download it does not open
[05:58] <wasp_ems> 404 error
[05:58] <judax> wasp_ems: which link?
[05:58] <seezer> yes, its '/join ... tippen'
[05:58] <raphink> annedore1963: du mut `/join #kubuntu-de' tippen
[05:58] <seezer> genau
[05:58] <annedore1963> raphink sicher tu ich das
[05:58] <raphink> dennis_p: i mean a voice recorder, like a machine
[05:59] <raphink> jetzt bist du da
[05:59] <dennis_p> yeah get one with ogg vorbis support
[05:59] <raphink> dennis_p: any suggestion?
[05:59] <raphink> my mom has had several
[05:59] <seezer> ;)
[05:59] <raphink> and all the ones she had were bad
[05:59] <raphink> the last one was an olympus
[05:59] <raphink> and it didn't even work on linux
[05:59] <dennis_p> or do you mean a phone answering machine
[05:59] <wasp_ems> raphink: where else can i find the w32??
[06:00] <judax> wasp_ems: you don't download them from that page
[06:00] <raphink> I'll give you the repos I use wasp_ems 
[06:00] <wasp_ems> ok
[06:00] <judax> wasp_ems: opps, sorry my mistake, it does tell you to do that
[06:01] <raphink> wasp_ems: PM
[06:16] <manveru> is there a kind of top for network-traffic?
[06:18] <DHGE_> manveru: apt-cache search network |grep traffic
[06:18] <manveru> ty :)
[06:18] <Update> any anti bush persons in here ?
[06:18] <adnan> i need help pls
[06:19] <Heleborus> manveru, ntop
[06:19] <adnan> i want to install the yahoo messenger and msn messenger  how ?
[06:19] <Tm_T> Kopete
[06:19] <adnan> what ?
[06:19] <Rockett18> adnan.. you cannot install the windows versions of Yahoo and MSN and instead would have to install Kopete
[06:19] <Tm_T> use Kopete
[06:19] <manveru> Heleborus: how do i use ntop when i have got installed it?
[06:19] <manveru> Heleborus: it seems to be some kind of server
[06:19] <Rockett18> sudo apt-get install kopete
[06:20] <Rockett18> you can access both msn and yahoo from there
[06:20] <adnan> Rockett18: so i have to install kopete?
[06:20] <adnan> im new
[06:20] <Update> apt-get install evil-axis
[06:20] <adnan> and i dont know anything
[06:20] <adnan> soirry if im bothering
[06:20] <jaawood> or gaim
[06:20] <Rockett18> adnan> yep.. or as jaawood says you can also use Gaim
[06:20] <Rockett18> personally I prefer gaim
[06:20] <Update> i use AMSN
[06:20] <jaawood> i personally like it more than kopete, but its your preference
[06:20] <adnan> how i do install al lthis?
[06:21] <jaawood> sudo apt-get install gaim
[06:21] <Rockett18> open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install gaim
[06:21] <jaawood> im not sure if kopete supports jabber, but gaim does i know, which is really nice because it is then compatible with google talk
[06:21] <Update> sudo dosent need password ?
[06:21] <Update> GREAT 
[06:22] <Dasnipa`> sudo needs a password of course
[06:22] <Dasnipa`> it saves the pass for ~15 mins
[06:22] <Dasnipa`> and i imagine theres a way to force the 'unsaving' of it sooner 
[06:22] <jaawood> Dasnipa`, do you know if there is any way to change how long it saves the password for?
[06:22] <Rockett18> haha
[06:22] <Dasnipa`> ^
[06:24] <Update> who cares about passwords
[06:24] <Update> ots a open community FCOL
[06:24] <Update> its a open community FCOL
[06:25] <Update> does O goes into FCOL ?
[06:30] <zephar> hi all
[06:30] <zephar> im new to linux, but really enjoying it so far =)
[06:30] <raphink> :)
[06:30] <raphink> good news :)
[06:32] <zephar> been trying get a couple thigns answered and donno if im typing it confusing on the forums or im just to impatient with excitment as really over years have enjoyed using alternatives to windows
[06:32] <zephar> my first problem is im trying to find a way to use shoutcase reliably
[06:33] <zephar> er shoutcast rofl
[06:34] <zephar> sorry im waking up. ive tried several and seem work ok with the audio but not going to far with video
[06:34] <zephar> is there a way to update the codecs?
[06:35] <_xuniL> vlc player should have the codecs you whant....
[06:36] <zephar> so far vlc will open everthing, but
[06:37] <zephar> VP6.2
[06:37] <zephar> is VP6.2 supported quite yet in linux?
[06:38] <manveru> what is VP6.2?
[06:38] <zephar> its a video codec
[06:39] <zephar> one sec ill get you a link
[06:39] <manveru> np, i speak google
[06:39] <manveru> wait a second
[06:40] <zephar> ok thanx
[06:43] <manveru> looks like some basic support exists...
[06:43] <zephar> cool
[06:43] <zephar> how do I install it? 
[06:44] <zephar> i typed in adept vp6 but nothign comes up ;(
[06:44] <ilba7r> which you recommend kde-desktop or kubuntu-desktop what is the difference?
[06:44] <manveru> well, it is not for ubuntu yet afaik
[06:44] <manveru> it is integrated in medialinux
[06:45] <manveru> ilba7r: i suggest you use kubuntu-desktop - it should have all dependencies that you might need
[06:45] <zephar> ok so if I download medialinux***.deb i can get it that waT?
[06:45] <manveru> no
[06:45] <ilba7r> ok will try it manveru
[06:45] <manveru> medialinux is a distribution for DSPs
[06:45] <ilba7r> thanx
[06:45] <manveru> np
[06:46] <zephar> KUBUNTU seems realyly nice liba7r i went through several flavors and im stuck here now=)
[06:46] <ilba7r> installing it now zephar
[06:46] <manveru> zephar: http://distrowatch.com/medialinux
[06:47] <manveru> the codecs for vp6 are properitary - so i guess it will take some time until we see it widely used
[06:48] <angelusco> #kubuntu-es
[06:48] <angelusco> heyall
[06:48] <zephar> hmmm
[06:49] <zephar> thanx for your help manveru. 
[06:49] <zephar> one more quest dont mind there are some files in the debain repository i need that are not part of the universe ones in kubuntu is there an automated way of getting em just like how i use adept? do i install another program or add a url?
[06:55] <angelusco> KaoticEvil, are u there ?
[07:01] <zephar> theres some debian packages I want whats easiest way to install those do i have to install them by hand or is there an automatred way like how you use adept?
[07:01] <Riddell> zephar: which packages?
[07:02] <angelusco> KaoticEvil, are u there ?
[07:02] <zephar> one example would be mplayer
[07:02] <zephar> theres several games like open civ open tty
[07:02] <Kinomees> what to do with .themerc files ?
[07:03] <Riddell> zephar: mplayer is in multiverse
[07:03] <frank23> zephar: never install packages from debian repositories. there are basically all in universe and multiverse
[07:04] <pollerfume> I tried both mplayer from source and mplayer in mulitverse: the mplayer in the repos has some glitches
[07:04] <manveru> Kinomees: where did you get them?
[07:06] <manveru> Kinomees: these are kde-themes most definitly
[07:06] <Kinomees> yes but how to apply them
[07:06] <Kinomees> ?
[07:06] <manveru> Kinomees: start kcontrol
[07:06] <zephar> i wan open civ though and open tty and there not in adept just double checked shoudl I go to there websites then and installl them that way?
[07:07] <Kinomees> k
[07:07] <manveru> Kinomees: and in the appearance - there should be a styles-entry
[07:07] <manveru> Kinomees: you can add new themes there, just click the 'add theme' button
[07:07] <manveru> Kinomees: not sure these names are all fitting for the english version - just got the german here
[07:08] <Kinomees> it will not recognise that kind of file
[07:08] <manveru> wait a second
[07:08] <manveru> Kinomees: what theme do you havE?
[07:09] <rikva> I have an ext3 disk in my fstab with options "auto,user". I can mount it as user, but I have no write rights. What to do?
[07:09] <Kinomees> green on black
[07:10] <Kinomees> got it from kde-look.org
[07:10] <manveru> Kinomees: no, i mean the one you want to add
[07:10] <manveru> Kinomees: let me try it
[07:11] <manveru> Kinomees: is it a color-style?
[07:12] <Kinomees> no it is a theme/style from www.kde-look.org
[07:12] <manveru> Kinomees: version 1 or 2?
[07:12] <Kinomees> 1
[07:13] <manveru> Kinomees: well, both are for older kde-versions
[07:13] <manveru> Kinomees: there is no guarantee they will work
[07:14] <Kinomees> ok tnx
[07:14] <manveru> Kinomees: i'll not try it, because i will lose my current style then :)
[07:14] <manveru> Kinomees: but i can try to open it
[07:19] <manveru> Kinomees: i guess i have the solution
[07:20] <manveru> do a 'locate *.themerc'
[07:33] <wasp_ems> sp@kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install j2re1.4
[07:33] <wasp_ems> Reading package lists... Done
[07:33] <wasp_ems> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:33] <wasp_ems> Package j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:33] <wasp_ems> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:33] <wasp_ems> is only available from another source
[07:33] <wasp_ems> E: Package j2re1.4 has no installation candidate
[07:33] <wasp_ems> wasp@kubuntu:~$                                       
[07:39] <wasp_ems> hello
[07:40] <wasp_ems> i am trying to access my windows partition but i cant...the file which accesses it is locked...anyone know what i can do?
[07:42] <wasp_ems> can u help me on how to mount windows partition?
[07:43] <jaawood> are you looking to read and write, or just read?
[07:43] <jaawood> i would recommend only reading
[07:43] <wasp_ems> for now just read
[07:44] <jaawood> i borrowed this from the unofficial ubuntu 5.04 guide, but it works fine for newer versions of kubuntu and ubuntu
[07:45] <jaawood> sudo mount /dev/<partition> /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[07:45] <jaawood> replacing <partition> with your windows partition
[07:45] <wasp_ems> ok
[07:45] <jaawood> you don't necessarily have to mount it in /media/windows
[07:46] <jaawood> adn you will probably have to create that directory with $sudo mkdir /media/windows
[07:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:47] <wasp_ems> mmm command not found
[07:48] <jaawood> which command?
[07:48] <wasp_ems> either mounting either mkdir
[07:48] <adnan> how i can install mIRC or bx ? i dont like this irc chat client
[07:48] <adnan> ;/
[07:50] <manveru> adnan: there are lots of clients out there
[07:50] <jaawood> wasp_ems, you should definitely have mount and mkdir, they come standard with all distributions
[07:51] <manveru> adnan: bx == bitchX?
[07:51] <jaawood> what exactly did you enter into the terminal?
[07:51] <wasp_ems> sudo mount/dev/hda1/media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=0222 
[07:52] <adnan> manveru:  yes
[07:52] <adnan> can i install it ?
[07:52] <manveru> adnan: sure...
[07:52] <adnan> how ?
[07:52] <manveru> adnan: only wonder what is better in bitchx but it's a matter of taste
[07:53] <manveru> 'sudo apt-get install bitchx'
[07:53] <morrow> wasp_ems: mount /dev... (missing space)
[07:53] <adnan> manveru:  can i pm you?
[07:53] <manveru> adnan: sure
[07:53] <jaawood> wasp_ems, add spaces between 'mount' and '/dev/hda1' and also between '/dev/hda1' and '/media/windows'
[07:54] <adnan> manveru:  icant pm u.. i'm not registered
[07:54] <manveru> let's go to #adnan
[07:54] <wasp_ems> ok..it does that but how do i create the directory?
[07:55] <jaawood> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[07:55] <skudkiller> someone can help me about "sudo"
[07:56] <wasp_ems> mmm ok...but how do i delete a file from there...fucked it up
[07:56] <KaoticEvil> ubotu:  tell skudkiller about sudo
[07:56] <wasp_ems> how can i delete a directory from media?
[07:56] <jaawood> sudo rmdir /media/windows
[07:57] <jaawood> but make sure your drive isn't mounted
[07:58] <wasp_ems> sudo mount/dev/hda1/media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=0222 
[07:58] <wasp_ems> oups
[07:58] <wasp_ems> sudo mount /dev/hda1/ media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=0222
[07:58] <wasp_ems> mount: mount point media/windows/ does not exist
[07:59] <jaawood> you need to add a '/' before 'media/windows'
[08:00] <wasp_ems> mount: unknown filesystem type 'unmask=0222'
[08:00] <wasp_ems> ok
[08:00] <jaawood> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[08:00] <jaawood> copy that exactly
[08:02] <wasp_ems> check private
[08:21] <wasp_ems> where is the contol center????????????????
[08:22] <wasp_ems> where is the splash screen option?
[08:26] <egats> hi wasp_ems
[08:26] <egats> what seems to be the problem?
[08:29] <Kyaneos> hi
[08:32] <BlankC> wasp_ems: splash is part of /boot/grub/menu.lst its the option called splash
[08:46] <wasp_ems> hello egats...i actually want to change my splash picture
[08:48] <wasp_ems> does any one know where the setting for splash screens is?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> at a guess, in kdm_config
[08:50] <thoreauputic> probably in kcontrol somewhere
[08:50] <wasp_ems> i cant find kcontol though
[08:51] <egats> try the desktop module :)
[08:51] <libben> kcontrol == system settings wasp_ems [18:46]  <manveru> zephar: http://distrowatch.com/medialinux
[08:52] <manveru> ?
[08:52] <manveru> kcontrol == kcontrol
[08:53] <egats> KMenu-->System Settings-->Desktop-->Splash Screen
[08:54] <wasp_ems> found it...thanx
[08:56] <metallic> how i found the file ".xinitrc"???
[08:56] <manveru> metallic: what do you need it for?
[08:57] <metallic> i can add a DE
[08:57] <manveru> a DE?
[08:57] <metallic> yes, XPDE
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> Desktop Environment
[08:57] <manveru> Desktop Environment?
[08:57] <metallic> yes
[08:57] <manveru> ah ,k
[08:58] <manveru> it is in your home-folder for default
[08:58] <manveru> whatever a XPDE is
[08:58] <wincide> hi all :D
[08:59] <thoreauputic> and the Debian/Ubuntu equivalent of .xinitrc is .xsession BTW
[08:59] <metallic> ah...-Decompress the tar.gz in /usr/share as root -Edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this line: /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde (and) -Start X
[08:59] <wincide> i have one question ... does the kubuntu dvd instalation come with the same packages as the kubuntu cd instalation ?? without the live part i mean ...
[09:00] <metallic> ah ok i don't found .xinitrc on my home folder
[09:00] <wasp_ems> well...when i download a prog how do i install it??i write sudo apt-get install and the name of the file, but it does not find it..i just downloaded it on my desktop
[09:01] <metallic> on my home folder don't have .xsession...
[09:01] <egats> wasp_ems: did you download a package, or source?
[09:01] <metallic> Xautorithy
[09:01] <metallic> ?
[09:02] <wasp_ems> package
[09:03] <wasp_ems> well??
[09:04] <metallic> fucker XFCE, crash...
[09:04] <metallic> fucked XFCE...
[09:04] <wasp_ems> egats: ?????
[09:05] <libben> any good direct connect client to reccomend? 
[09:05] <egats> wasp_ems: why not just use Adept?
[09:06] <egats> it's better for n00bs
[09:06] <libben> Synaptic is still the king thou
[09:06] <libben> but adept is getting stronger
[09:07] <manveru> well, adept has some flaws...
[09:07] <wasp_ems> i just downloaded it from a site..cant i just use it?
[09:07] <egats> try adding the path to the filename
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> anyone care to help with a sound problem?
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> xmms keeps giving me an error to check that nothing else is using the sound system
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> and i know there is nothing thats using it
[09:08] <egats> wasp_ems: sudo apt-get install ~/Desktop/package_name
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> it seems to be a random error too
[09:09] <metallic> i can add an link for XPDE (usr/share/xpde/bin/"sh startxpde") on a Kubuntu login screen, which file i must to modify?
[09:09] <wasp_ems> egats: i tried it does not work either
[09:11] <nalioth_zZz> metallic: monkey-see monkey-do a .desktop file in your /usr/share/xsessions/
[09:11] <nalioth_zZz> metallic: do not delete the file you use for a template
[09:11] <egats> wasp_ems: i've never tried apt, sorry
[09:12] <wasp_ems> ok..never mind i will do it through adept
[09:13] <egats> wasp_ems: i don't think you need the  ".deb"
[09:13] <metallic> ah yes... /xsession/... kde.desktop & xfce4.desktop
[09:14] <metallic> ahi ahi ahi the syntax is difficulty...
[09:15] <libben> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_First-Person_Shooters
[09:16] <C0r3Dump> hello
[09:16] <metallic> hi
[09:17] <C0r3Dump> anyone knows an Euro conversor, good, pretty and light
[09:17] <C0r3Dump> ??
[09:17] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[09:17] <egats> i think he means converter
[09:17] <C0r3Dump> yes I thinl thats the correct word
[09:17] <C0r3Dump> converter, not conversor (sorry)
[09:18] <metallic> hi world! Food time... :)
[09:18] <egats> have you searched the repos? i'm sure there's an applet
[09:19] <C0r3Dump> I found (in www.kde-apps.org) keurocalc
[09:19] <at1as> 
[09:19] <egats> so search aptitude or synaptic for keurocalc
[09:19] <wasp_ems> how do i install an rpm package???
[09:20] <C0r3Dump> but nothing in repositories
[09:20] <egats> wasp_ems: you don't.
[09:20] <wasp_ems> why?
[09:20] <egats> wasp_ems: b/c kubuntu is debian based
[09:20] <wasp_ems> and rpm is?
[09:21] <C0r3Dump> (i've done it, nothing in repository, i hava source code, but it not light enough ..)
[09:21] <Dasnipa`> rpm is like hedhat right?
[09:21] <wasp_ems> ok
[09:21] <wasp_ems> thanx
[09:21] <Dasnipa`> you can convert to deb format though
[09:21] <Dasnipa`> i believe
[09:21] <wasp_ems> how?
[09:21] <egats> wasp_ems: get a converter?
[09:21] <nalioth_zZz> converting rpms is not advised
[09:21] <wasp_ems> is it better to download the source?
[09:21] <nalioth_zZz> wasp_ems: what do you want to install?
[09:21] <C0r3Dump> with alien
[09:21] <wasp_ems> moodin
[09:22] <C0r3Dump> alien --to-deb paquete-1.0.rpm
[09:22] <egats> wasp_ems: why not just get the deb package instead?
[09:22] <wasp_ems> if i find it
[09:22] <wasp_ems> anyway thanx alloyt
[09:22] <nalioth> wasp_ems: building from source is always advised  over using non ubuntu things
[09:22] <C0r3Dump> but using alien must be your final chance
[09:23] <nalioth> ubuntulog: tell wasp_ems about checkinstall
[09:23] <zephar> I dont think i have all the reositories setup for adept as I I dont have files like mplayer. what urls should I add in??? I activated all the non active
[09:23] <nalioth> ubotu: tell wasp_ems about checkinstall
[09:23] <nalioth> ubotu: tell zephar about mplayer
[09:23] <C0r3Dump> deb ftp://ftp.cica.es/mirrors/Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free
[09:24] <wasp_ems> thanx nalioth but did that ages ago
[09:24] <C0r3Dump> you can dowload it from here
[09:24] <zephar> thanx nalioth
[09:24] <C0r3Dump> mplayer and w32codec 
[09:25] <nalioth> C0r3Dump: please dont hand out non ubuntu repos, mplayer is available in official repos
[09:25] <nalioth> !info mplayer-586
[09:25] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB
[09:25] <nalioth> C0r3Dump: see? it's in multiverse
[09:25] <nalioth> unofficial repos cause trouble
[09:26] <C0r3Dump> ?? i've been using it for a long time and i have never had problems ....
[09:26] <kinfo> No match for "i've"
[09:27] <C0r3Dump> but i use m-player 386 ,)
[09:27] <nalioth> C0r3Dump: i do things that would make most ubuntu devs cringe, but i dont advise doing them (even tho i've had no problems)
[09:30] <wasp_ems> if i download a package in source...do i install it the same way??
[09:30] <nalioth> wasp_ems: if you grab a source pkg, you'll need to build it
[09:30] <nalioth> wasp_ems: use "checkinstall" intead of "make install"
[09:30] <wasp_ems> i dont know how to build it?
[09:31] <wasp_ems> with checkinstall what will happen?
[09:31] <nalioth> wasp_ems: did you read the info ubotu sent you about checkinstall/
[09:32] <wasp_ems> not yet
[09:33] <nalioth> wasp_ems: do you know how to compile software?
[09:33] <wasp_ems> no
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> can i use more than one package name at a time with apt-get?
[09:33] <wasp_ems> and i did not get exactly what ubotu told me
[09:33] <nalioth> wasp_ems: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[09:34] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you surely may
[09:34] <wasp_ems> ok
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> sweet :>
[09:35] <gambix> hi to all
[09:35] <gambix> i need help about my nvidia driver
[09:35] <gambix> in the forum it seem to be easy ut ...
[09:35] <gambix> Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:36] <gambix> after installation it crash with this error message
[09:36] <gambix> any purpose ?
[09:36] <gambix> i'm on breezy with kde 3.5 beta 2
[09:39] <Cheapie> man i wish i could open lzh in linux
[09:40] <nalioth> Cheapie: you can't?
[09:40] <Cheapie> yeah, i can't even preview i don't think either hmm
[09:41] <Cheapie> nope
[09:41] <nalioth> you should be lzh enabled
[09:42] <Cheapie> very strange
[09:42] <at1as> 
[09:42] <KaoticEvil> Cheapie:  http://www.7-zip.org/ ;)
[09:43] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: Cheapie wants it built into the system
[09:44] <Cheapie> i just want to extract .lzh files :(
[09:44] <etam> hi, do You know how can i extract files from *.bin and *.cue cd image file without mounting it?
[09:44] <nalioth> etam: use binchunker to convert it to iso
[09:44] <KaoticEvil> ah.. ok
[09:44] <etam> nalioth: but i dont want na iso, i need files from it
[09:44] <nalioth> Cheapie: it's strange that you dont have it 
[09:45] <nalioth> etam: i have no clue how to extract things from bin/cue or iso w/o mounting them first
[09:45] <libben> I just plugged in a old saitek gamepad on the soundcard's gameport... and im in system settings. now what.... im in the joystick options. but it appears not to be showing. do i need to restart the box to get it seen by the system?
[09:45] <libben> or can i restart something?
[09:45] <etam> nalioth: so how can i mount it in kubuntu?
[09:45] <etam> nalioth: any program with gui?
[09:46] <nalioth> etam: not to my knowledge
[09:46] <etam> nalioth: and without gui?
[09:47] <nalioth> etam: as i mentioned, i'm not up on mounting things like that
[09:47] <etam> nalioth: ok, thanks
[09:47] <Cheapie> hmm
[09:47] <Cheapie> 4.20 doesn't support lzh
[09:48] <etam> anyone knows something to mount cd images?
[09:48] <etam> like deamontools inwindows
[09:48] <libben> I just plugged in a old saitek gamepad on the soundcard's gameport... and im in system settings. now what.... im in the joystick options. but it appears not to be showing. do i need to restart the box to get it seen by the system?
[09:50] <libben> anyone ?
[09:50] <libben> nalioth: u know anything on getting a gamepad alive?
[09:51] <_thedrawer_> hey
[09:51] <_thedrawer_> how do I restart X?
[09:51] <nalioth> libben: i do not
[09:51] <nalioth> _thedrawer_: ctrl-alt-bksp
[09:54] <C0r3Dump> etam: maybe MountISO or Kiso
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> anyone know an easy way to get newly added apps to show up on my kde menu? :)
[09:54] <KaoticEvil> kappfinder?
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> I just installed koffice and I don't want to do it all by hand.
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: thanks.
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: well that only looks for non kde apps. :(
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> go figure.
[09:56] <bhna> LeeJunFan: menue editor
[09:57] <LeeJunFan> bhna: yeah, the point is not to add 8 applications by hand. Why, when they are kde apps are they not being added to the system menudir?
[09:57] <bhna> LeeJunFan: wich package do you use?
[09:57] <etam> C0r3Dump: thank You
[09:57] <LeeJunFan> bhna: just installed koffice
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> bhna: didn't there used to be a update-menus or some such thing?
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> ah, that was probably before the freedesktop crap and the move to xml for the menu. I love when new standards prompt throwing away things that work for those that aren't finished yet.
[09:59] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan:  tried KAppFinder?
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, it only looks for non-kde apps.
[09:59] <KaoticEvil> doh.. that sucks
[09:59] <bhna> they should. take a lokk at this debs http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice142
[10:00] <bhna> *lookk
[10:00] <bhna> +look
[10:00] <LeeJunFan> Well, I guess I might be able to get away with copying the stuff from /usr/share/applnk/Office to my ~ dir.
[10:00] <LeeJunFan> bhna: looking now.
[10:01] <noirequus> LeeJunFan: did you install it using adept?
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> noirequus: no, synaptic. Therin probably lies the problem eh.
[10:03] <bhna> LeeJunFan: synaptic isn't the prob. you can use adept, synaptic or apt-get install
[10:03] <noirequus> LeeJunFan: not at all, it should update the menus whichever apt method you use
[10:04] <LeeJunFan> it's all in /usr/share/applnk/Office, but of course cp'ing that to my $HOME/.kde/share/applnk doesn't do the trick.
[10:05] <at1as> 
[10:05] <bhna> hae you restart the kicker?
[10:06] <bhna> the menu config is in $Home/.congig/*.xml
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> bhna: yeah, that's what I was just looking for - thanks.
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> bhna: yeah, it doesn't show up in menu editor either.
[10:07] <bhna> LeeJunFan: .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> bhna: yeah, now I wonder if there's a simple command to import the stuff from the applnk dir format to the file.
[10:08] <LeeJunFan> bhna: I'll ask that in #kde.
[10:08] <bhna> LeeJunFan: don't know.
[10:10] <[t0rc] > have there been any issues with Breezy Badger and xorg-fgrlx drivers?
[10:12] <bhna> [t0rc] : www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:16] <[t0rc] > anyone using fglrx drivers on breezy?
[10:23] <Phazeman> can someone please help with mldonkey configuration on kubuntu ?
[10:24] <manveru> what do you need to know Phazeman ?
[10:24] <Phazeman> manveru: i can't get it to have some server list
[10:25] <Phazeman> so i see an empty server list in kmldonkey
[10:25] <Phazeman> also, the CLI connection never works but in mandriva i always used to work with CLI
[10:26] <Phazeman> manveru: any idea ?
[10:27] <manveru> not sure
[10:27] <manveru> you are behind a proxy?
[10:27] <Phazeman> nop...
[10:27] <manveru> firewall?
[10:27] <Phazeman> i'm behind dell router
[10:28] <Phazeman> yes firewall but emule ports enabled
[10:28] <Phazeman> the problem is that i can't get the list itself  !
[10:28] <slow-motion> n8
[10:28] <manveru> well, i have never used this kmldonkey
[10:29] <manveru> i only guess there is something wrong with your firewall
[10:30] <Phazeman> manveru: what do you use ?
[10:30] <Phazeman> you connect to the CLI ?
[10:30] <manveru> no, the only filesharing i do is via torrent
[10:30] <manveru> so i can only guess about your problems
[10:30] <Phazeman> a
[10:30] <Phazeman> nm then...
[10:30] <Phazeman> you use ktorrent ?
[10:31] <manveru> yeah
[10:31] <manveru> but it's not too great...
[10:31] <manveru> i miss something like bitcomet in windows :)
[10:31] <Phazeman> :)
[10:31] <Phazeman> what servers do you use to look for things ?
[10:32] <manveru> well, just random searching and all the stuff on legaltorrents.com
[10:32] <manveru> there are lots of trackers out there and i don't need lots of stuff anyway
[10:33] <Phazeman> thanks
[10:33] <manveru> np
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> torrent is okay as long as you don't need to search.
[10:37] <manveru> it works ok for me
[10:37] <manveru> i listen to electronic music, and this kind of music is created by some random generators anyway :)
[10:37] <LeeJunFan> manveru: hehe, just tried again now that it's in my mind, and it's working for me now too. cool.
[10:38] <manveru> so there is flying a _lot_ around
[10:39] <manveru> someone knows why katapult doesn't like kcontrol?
[10:39] <_choad> Hello
[10:40] <_choad> Hi. Hello. Hi.
[10:40] <manveru> hi :)
[10:42] <LeeJunFan> what a choad.
[10:42] <jjesse> manveru: don't know on the kcontrol question, but katapult -> system settings works
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> lol
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> is there a way to remap my windows key on my keyboard to bring up the K menu?
[10:43] <manveru> hm, yeah - tho i still dislike the system settings a bit
[10:43] <manveru> sure there is
[10:43] <manveru> and a easy one too :)
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> ... how? :P (just a point in the right direction...)
[10:44] <manveru> take a look at system-settings
[10:44] <manveru> wait a second
[10:44] <manveru> :)
[10:45] <manveru> might be better to take a look at kcontrol
[10:45] <KaoticEvil> ok
[10:46] <manveru> in regional-stuff&anotherthing
[10:46] <KaoticEvil> ty
[10:47] <manveru> in keyboard-layout
[10:50] <manveru> at least i thought it was in there
[10:50] <manveru> i checked it in kde2.x the last time...
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> ok, thanks :)
[10:55] <firephoto> are there any xorg 6.9/7 packages available?
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> bbl
[10:56] <server> hey leutz !!   wie kann ich mich in der grafischen oberflsche mit root anmelden ...ha das konto schon mit pw belegt aber der sagt mir das man das nicht darf
[10:57] <_jacques> hi. licq doesn't connect after closing it for the first time. is this a known issue?
[10:58] <linuxania> _jacques: perhaps you should check that from http://www.licq.org/bugs.php
[11:00] <server> one question ... i would like to login (KDE) root acc but it doesnt work..... i have a root pw registered but kde says that root are not allow @ kde.!     How i can login with root acc
[11:01] <manveru> use your userpasssword
[11:02] <server> i dont want to log me in with normal user
[11:02] <server> i want to log in me with root
[11:02] <server> like SUSE for example
[11:02] <Tm_T> server: you should NOT login to KDE as root
[11:03] <server> no way?
[11:03] <server> lol.....shit
[11:03] <Tm_T> I hope you can't because there is no single reason for that
[11:03] <Tm_T> and no point
[11:03] <linuxania> server: why exactly did you want to anyway
[11:07] <server> i want it to become all rights and dont open a console to use admin stuff
[11:11] <firephoto> server: just use kdesu <app>
[11:12] <server> sry but i dont no the app
[11:12] <server> in console i use su root
[11:12] <server> did you mean that?
[11:13] <manveru> no
[11:14] <[t0rc] > I've just installed the xorg-fglrx drivers for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, and they do not work. Help?
[11:14] <manveru> there is no root in (k)ubuntu
[11:14] <firephoto> no from a konsol or the run dialog (alt+f2)  kdesu kate will give you full write privs for kate to anywhere.
[11:14] <firephoto> it prompts for your password.
[11:14] <[t0rc] > !ubotu
[11:14] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot allright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[11:15] <server> no root?? shure?? i use root... and i have only give root pw (to use it)
[11:16] <server> only KDE says that is not allow to login as root
[11:19] <Aapzak> evenin' room
[11:19] <firephoto> server: you don't need to be root login to kde to do root things with a gui..... that's what kdesu does for you. gives your apps running with a root privlege
[11:20] <Aapzak> kdesu does a nice job too
[11:20] <server> ok i understand that i dont log me in with root....... but i will look up what kdesu is.....
[11:20] <Aapzak> only thing: he asks me te remember my password, but he never does remember
[11:21] <server> kde super user?
[11:22] <Aapzak> normally su stands for switch user
[11:22] <server> ok
[11:22] <server> thxx @ all
[11:22] <Aapzak> you're welcome :)
[11:24] <vicks> anybody knows why my breezy live won't recognize my rt2500 wifi (d-link dwl-g122)?
[11:24] <[t0rc] > anyone using fglrx drivers?
[11:25] <bimberi> vicks: it may not be supported "out of the box"
[11:25] <bimberi> !wireless
[11:25] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:25] <Aapzak> both questions, dunno
[11:25] <[t0rc] > !ati
[11:25] <ubotu> well, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[11:25] <bimberi> vicks: have a look there ^^^
[11:26] <vicks> ok thanks
[11:27] <vicks> damn, i cant't connect to internet w/o wifi, and i can''t get ndiswrapper w/o internet
[11:29] <vicks> hm, it's strange the rt2500 page on the wiki says the that it is supposed to work in breezy
[11:45] <[t0rc] > anyone help me with ATI drivesr?