[12:06] <Keybuk> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/polypaudio
[12:06] <Keybuk> ... note Suggests :p
[12:06] <mdke> gah
[12:08] <mdke> Keybuk, do you remember once resolving a bug with console-data along the lines of "Can't call method choices on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm"?
[12:08] <Keybuk> no, did I?
[12:08] <Keybuk> I don't remember ever touching console-data
[12:08] <pitti> Keybuk: known bug
[12:08] <pitti> Keybuk: guess what the fix is
[12:08] <mdke> yeah, i haven't got a browser right now, so I can't call up bugzilla
[12:09] <mdke> you fixed it for breezy
[12:09] <pitti> Keybuk: I'll ask for removing the package from Debian :-)
[12:09] <mdke> i'm just dist-upgrading to dapper and I see it again :D
[12:10] <mdke> Keybuk, i'll just reopen once I get a browser installed
[12:17] <sabdfl> infinity: ping
[12:19] <jdub> hrm, seb's travelling
[12:19] <pitti> without saying goodbye???
[12:22] <Keybuk> mdke: bet I didn't
[12:22] <mdke> Keybuk, k
[12:22] <mdke> 20 squid?
[12:22] <Keybuk> sure
[12:24] <Keybuk> mdke: ok, btw; I'm not Colin Watson... it was Kamion that fixed that
[12:24] <Keybuk> now, want me to /msg you my paypal details? :P
[12:27] <mdke> erm
[12:28] <mdke> it was no way him
[12:28] <infinity> sabdfl : pong.
[12:30] <sabdfl> infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsplashInitramfs?action=info
[12:31] <mdke> Keybuk, ah bugger
[12:34] <mdke> Keybuk, anyhow you cheated by looking the bug up first
[12:34] <Keybuk> no, I just read the changelog :)
[12:34] <Kamion> IIRC that bug was due to a corrupted debconf db; you might try /usr/share/debconf/fix_db.pl or whatever it is
[12:35] <Kamion> but I haven't actually refreshed my memory on that bug so I could be wrong, shrug
[12:35] <daniels> mdke: scott doesn't fix bugs in existing code, he gets bored and rewrites it in java :P
[12:36] <Keybuk> ...and that was a party-political broadcast by the bendigo party
[12:37] <daniels> don't go knocking bendigo
[12:37] <mdke> i was having it confused with another bug
[12:38] <mdke> that one he fixed
[12:38] <elmo> wagga wagga
[12:38] <mdke> Kamion, yeah that is right, strange that i keep getting it though, maybe a dud cd or something
[12:40] <Kamion> mdke: if it's reproducible then it might well be something else; console-data is an insane heap of loosely-organised shit
[12:40] <daniels> elmo: wooloomooloo
[12:54] <mdke> Kamion, i'll see if that database rebuild command fixes it
[01:00] <mdke> Kamion, yeah that did it
[01:01] <mdke> now to install a desktop
[01:03] <tseng> pitti: bzrtools
[01:03] <pitti> tseng: I already have the latest crack
[01:03] <pitti> tseng: pull returns with a weird exception, and get hangs indefinitely
[01:04] <tseng> =/
[01:04] <tseng> i guess ill run into that tommorow, i need it.
[01:04] <dtf> I wondering why ubuntu doesn't ship Xprint? I was just told it was a showstopper.
[01:05] <tseng> dtf: 
[01:05] <tseng> xprint - Xprint - the X11 print system (binary)
[01:05] <tseng>  ?
[01:05] <slomo> dtf: it's deprecated and broken iirc
[01:06] <dtf> ok, thanks.  I've never used it before and don't know much about.
[01:08] <daniels> dtf: yeah, I told you it was a showstopper because Xprint is complete crack and we avoid it like the bplague
[01:10] <pitti> Kamion: is it ok to commit to the seeds, or shall I wait for you to finish the germinate hacking?
[01:15] <dtf> daniels: thanks
[01:18] <Kamion> pitti: give me a sec, I'm munging
[01:19] <Kamion> pitti: pull/get works just fine with sftp for me
[01:19] <pitti> Kamion: pull actually works now, it threw an exception before (dunno what changed)
[01:19] <pitti> Kamion: get just hangs 
[01:19] <pitti> *shrug*
[01:19] <Kamion> pitti: or, well, do what you want as long as it doesn't touch language packs :)
[01:19] <pitti> get http:// and then pull works fine
[01:19] <Kamion> pitti: it's not hanging, it's just REALLY SLOW
[01:19] <Kamion> leave it for a while and it'll work
[01:19] <pitti> ok, might be that, too 
[01:20] <pitti> I lost my patience after 3 minutes without any screen change
[01:20] <Kamion> bzr's sftp transport is, er, a bit suboptimal right now
[01:20] <pitti> Kamion: I just want to drop some old postgresql stuff
[01:20] <Kamion> that's fine, I need to learn how to merge anyway ...
[01:21] <pitti> Kamion: btw, how often is the mirror at rookery updated from chinstrap?
[01:21] <Kamion> pitti: under 20 minutes
[01:22] <daniels> Kamion: how often does the list of uninstallables get generated? daily?
[01:22] <Kamion> daniels: cron.daily frequency
[01:22] <Kamion> i.e. 30 minutes
[01:24] <pitti> Kamion: wow, my first sftp:// push; it seems to have worked
[01:26] <daniels> ah, cool, mesa is now installable, which means qt is now installable
[01:27] <Treenaks> daniels: but, is it _buildable_ ?
[01:27] <daniels> Treenaks: er, yeah
[01:27] <daniels> it's hard to produce binaries to be installable or otherwise when you can't build it :P
[01:27] <mdke> are bug reports for broken dependencies in dapper actually useful at this stage?
[01:27] <mdke> or just wait
[01:27] <mdke> ?
[01:27] <Treenaks> daniels: Gentubuntu#
[01:43] <mdke_> damn, did someone answer my question up there after I got disconnected?
[01:45] <pitti> mdke: please don't, we can see an automatic report about broken deps already
[01:45] <mdke_> pitti, thanks
[02:02] <mdz> daniels: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dbus_0.50-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:02] <mdz>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/dbus-launch.1.gz', which is also in package dbus-1-utils
[02:05] <daniels> mdz: hrm, there should be a Replaces there
[02:06] <daniels> mdz: what version is dbus-1-utlis?
[02:06] <mdz> Preparing to replace dbus-1-utils 0.36.2-0ubuntu8 (using .../dbus-1-utils_0.50-1ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[02:06] <Robot101> oh I pushed some of the dbus patches upstream
[02:06] <Robot101> dbus-monitor and dbus-something-yada-libtool
[02:07] <daniels> Robot101: oh, cool
[02:07] <daniels> mdz: and ubuntu8 still had dbus-launch in it?
[02:07] <mdz> presumably
[02:07] <daniels> dbus (0.36.2-0ubuntu5) breezy; urgency=low
[02:07] <daniels>   * Move dbus-launch from dbus-1-utils to dbus. This allows KDE to use
[02:07] <daniels>     dbus-launch without pulling in all Gnome dependencies through -utils.
[02:07] <mdz> dpkg certainly seems to think so
[02:08] <mdz> I can no longer verify this
[02:08] <daniels> *shrug*, fixed now
[02:17] <Kamion> all baz seed branches now sealed (kthxbye)
[02:18] <daniels> Kamion: o, sealing actually works now?
[02:18] <daniels> Kamion: last I looked, you could still actually commit to sealed archives
[02:22] <shadeofgrey> hey has anybody seen Hidde?
[02:26] <shadeofgrey> ...pardon me, i know this is the d3evel channel but does anybody here happen to be on the accessibility team for ubuntu?
[02:26] <shadeofgrey> i need to talk to someone from that group asap if possible.
[02:26] <daniels> if you're looking for specific people, try email
[02:27] <shadeofgrey> okay... please forgive me for my intrusion.
[02:30] <zakame> morning all :)
[02:48] <dilinger> Kamion: so, uh, what actually works w/ breezy wrt root on lvm/md?
[02:52] <dredg> IME, root on lvm/md works just fine as long as /boot is a regular grub-supported partition
[02:53] <dilinger> oh, really?
[02:53] <dilinger> that would be greate
[02:53] <dilinger> great
[02:54] <dilinger> well, let's see if a normal install works fine, given how unsupported sx8 itself is
[02:54] <dredg> i've used that setup a number of times
[02:54] <dredg> bunch of servers in my old job were all root on lvm+raid
[02:55] <dredg> where a bunch = 40 or 50
[02:55] <dredg> (running debian sarge, but i've used identical setup with hoary and breezy)
[02:56] <dilinger> Mithrandir: damn, i should taken access to that amd64 box when you offered
[02:57] <dilinger> Mithrandir: is the offer still open?   i need to recompile libparted16-udeb for amd64
[02:57] <dilinger> (w/ a few patches
[03:00] <dilinger> meh, grub doesn't install
[03:02] <desrt> i -so- refuse to sign the code of conduct in the way that it is demanding that i do so
[03:03] <crimsun> at least you can
[03:03] <crimsun> sign-only keys are still unusable for that last I checked
[03:03] <desrt> it's basically handing me a 160bit string and saying "please sign this"
[03:03] <desrt> _ya right_
[03:03] <desrt> no thanks
[03:12] <zul> evening
[03:15] <bddebian> Hello
[03:21] <desrt> aw crap
[03:21] <desrt> my first ever launchpad bug and it has a spelling mistake in it
[03:21] <desrt> i hate that
[03:25] <mpt> desrt, that's what "Edit Description" is for
[03:25] <desrt> mpt; ya.. but it includes my original report still :p
[03:26] <mpt> That should be fixed over the next month or two, desrt 
[03:26] <desrt> my original report still existing or the bug itself?
[03:26] <mpt> The original won't be removed, but it will be hidden by default
[03:27] <desrt> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3996 <- and this one? :)
[03:28] <desrt> it's preventing me from becoming an ubuntu member :)
[03:34] <mpt> interesting
[03:35] <desrt> indeed
[03:35] <mpt> checking that the differences were only cosmetic would be rather hard to automate...
[03:36] <Burgundavia> bon soir mpt, desrt 
[03:36] <mpt> boa noite, Burgundavia 
[03:36] <desrt> at the very least you should allow the user to insert some random string at the bottom
[03:36] <desrt> alternatively you should pass both documents through a regexp that turn any amount of whitespace into a single space
[03:36] <Burgundavia> desrt, do we need to do any more work on power-management-config before I present the idea to the gnome-power list?
[03:36] <desrt> then hash them
[03:36] <desrt> and make sure they're still the same
[03:36] <desrt> Burgundavia; i was planning on talking to richard personally on irc next time i caught him
[03:37] <desrt> Burgundavia; but, really... the parts at the bottom are all that matter
[03:37] <desrt> and they're just about right
[03:37] <Burgundavia> desrt, excellent, I will let you do that
[03:56] <minghua> desrt: if we also have the size of the clear text, then such a birthday attack is much much harder, is that correct?
[03:57] <wasabi_> Man. I have so many friends who use Windows who have switched to Ubuntu.
[03:57] <wasabi_> 6 so far.
[03:57] <wasabi_> Pretty nuts.
[04:01] <mpt> hmmmmm
[04:03] <mpt> desrt, Burgundavia, I think that design needs a bit of work
[04:04] <Burgundavia> mpt, in what way?
[04:05] <mpt> for example
[04:05] <mpt> "Remaining percentage" doesn't really make sense when the battery is *charging*
[04:05] <mpt> "Preferences" should probably have a "..." since the implied action is "change my preferences"
[04:06] <mpt> There should not be a single alert that has six buttons along the bottom, that's just scary :-)
[04:07] <mpt> DapperDesktopPlan talks about a Log Out / Switch alert that is (apparently) separate from the shutdown one
[04:07] <mpt> There's no preferences for automatic sleep/shutdown when running on mains power (e.g. I went away on holiday and forgot to turn off the computer)
[04:08] <mpt> There's a checkbox for "Suspend on lid close", and it's not obvious what the alternative is
[04:09] <mpt> If a password is required when waking the computer, should it automatically be required when unlocking the screensaver? If not, does it matter?
[04:09] <mpt> "Issue warning:" what?
[04:09] <mpt> Why have "one tab"?
[04:09] <Burgundavia> mpt, the plan is to move the menu item to a first class menu item
[04:10] <Burgundavia> first class panel item, that is
[04:10] <mpt> yes, I read that
[04:11] <mpt> Those are all the points I can think of right now
[04:12] <mpt> oh, should there be a slider for turning off the screen separately from hibernation? (XP and OS X have that)
[04:12] <Burgundavia> mpt, can you drop your comments on the spec itself?
[04:13] <mpt> sure
[04:25] <mpt> oh wow
[04:26] <mpt> I just found where gnome-power-manager's panel icon comes from
[04:26] <mpt> http://www.homepage-link.to/solutions/images/power-options.jpg
[04:26] <mpt> it's just recolored :-/
[04:28] <wasabi> oh wow.
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:28] <Burgundavia> you certain?
[04:28] <wasabi> I think it's traced.
[04:28] <wasabi> but not recolored.
[04:28] <wasabi> no, n/m
[04:28] <wasabi> it's not.
[04:28] <wasabi> look at the bottom of hte battery.
[04:28] <wasabi> gpm the plug and battery bottoms line up
[04:29] <wasabi> sure similar though. ;0
[04:29] <mpt> "inspired by"
[04:29] <wasabi> most definatly.
[04:31] <desrt> minghua; i'm confused by your question
[04:34] <desrt> minghua; birthday attack is possible either way
[04:34] <minghua> desrt: what I'm asking is: you said that it's possible to do a birthday attack by construct another text file which have the same SHA1 hash as the social contract people signed
[04:35] <desrt> yes... but not in that order
[04:35] <desrt> given a document it's very difficult to generate a new document with the same hash
[04:36] <desrt> but if you get to generate the document for yourself it's substantially easier to generate a pair of docs with the same hash
[04:36] <minghua> desrt: but if there is someway to specify the size of the file I signed, it's much harder to get two files with the same hash, is that correct?
[04:36] <desrt> no.
[04:36] <desrt> not correct
[04:36] <desrt> generally speaking, imagine a document in which 128 different things can be changed
[04:36] <desrt> this is easy to do
[04:36] <desrt> say replace a word with an equivilent word
[04:36] <desrt> or wrap a line one way or another
[04:36] <minghua> desrt: okay, I see
[04:36] <desrt> or insert an extra space here and remove one there
[04:37] <desrt> all in a way that keeps the filesize...
[04:37] <desrt> then you can generate 2^128 equivilent documents with different hash values...
[04:38] <desrt> the expected number required to do a birthday attack on sha1 is much much smaller
[04:38] <minghua> desrt: not necessarily 2^128 _different_ ones, but I'm not arguing here :-)
[04:38] <desrt> well.. you've just underlined the argument right there
[04:39] <desrt> chances are that you would generate two variants of the document with the same hash value :)
[04:39] <desrt> and by "chances are..." i mean  like 99.999999999[etc] %
[04:40] <minghua> desrt: my understanding is that it's relatively easy to make two file with the same hash, but harder to generate a new file to match a certain hash and size, since you only have one file to modify, is this correct?
[04:40] <desrt> yes.
[04:41] <desrt> exactly.
[04:41] <desrt> you can even remove the "and size" constraint
[04:41] <desrt> and say "it's relatively easy to make two file with the same hash, but harder to generate a new file to match a certain hash, since you only have one file to modify"
[04:43] <desrt> the size constraint is wholy uninteresting since i could pad "i agree to give all of my money to alice" with a bunch of legal mumbojumbo
[04:43] <desrt> until it was the same size as the code of conduct
[04:43] <desrt> plus, i'm not even sure that pgp includes the document size in the signature
[04:43] <desrt> that's a dangerous assumption :)
[04:43] <desrt> all of this being said, of course, i'm using a copy of PGP as packed by ubuntu :)
[04:44] <minghua> desrt: yeah, I just had the wrong impression that size matters
[04:44] <minghua> :-D
[04:44] <desrt> so i guess i can just assume that it's been programmed to send my private key to the launchpad servers :)
[04:44] <minghua> or even you are compiling gnupg yourself, you are using the GCC provided by ubuntu ;-)
[04:44] <desrt> vicious circle
[04:45] <desrt> i also have to read every single line of the source code of gcc and pgp and libc and linux and (etc) to make sure they're all free of backdoors.....
[04:47] <desrt> i should also take an electron microscope to my CPU and make sure intel hasn't installed any backdoors in the hardware..... [this gets ridiculous] 
[04:56] <Keybuk> oops ... it appears that iwj has left the key to his suitcase in the room
[04:57] <Burgundavia> oops
[04:57] <Burgundavia> Keybuk, are you planning to do more "approved specs" emails?
[04:57] <Burgundavia> Keybuk, if not, do you want me to do them?
[04:57] <Keybuk> Burgundavia: yeah, I should do one tomorrow to clean up the last of them
[04:57] <Keybuk> but if you want to instead, go for it
[04:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:58] <Burgundavia> if you were planning to do it, then go ahead
[04:59] <Keybuk> I think we did the last of the approvals today
[04:59] <Keybuk> is nice, a much more sedate pace
[05:01] <Burgundavia> [OT]  does anybody remember a transparent logo from somewhere?
[05:04] <mpt> yes, here's one -->
[05:05] <mpt> *cough*
[05:05] <mpt> What do you mean by "a transparent logo", Burgundavia?
[05:06] <Burgundavia> mpt, like the big one of the back of the cd cases
[05:27] <Kamion> god, bzr push / sftp is insanely slow
[05:27] <Kamion> and I think contains a race condition you could drive a truck through
[05:40] <mpt> Burgundavia, could you just tweak the SVG in Inkscape?
[06:40] <Burgundavia> mpt, yes, I di
[07:43] <dilinger> meh, i'm about to give up.   grub is just utterly broken w/ the sx8 driver
[07:44] <poningru> do it
[07:44] <poningru> its easier than trying
[08:13] <pef> hello
[09:55] <zyga> hello
[10:36] <crimsun> janimo: xterminal should removed from the archive since we have xfce4-terminal
[10:36] <janimo> crimsun, I agree
[10:37] <crimsun> k, I'm off to grab a few hours of shut-eye :-)
[10:37] <janimo> :)
[10:38] <janimo> although xfce4-terminal has Replaces xterminal
[11:06] <shawarma> Can someone tell me where the format of the Release file in a Debian repository is described?
[11:26] <shawarma> Never mind.
[11:53] <Mithrandir> dilinger: yes, offer is still open.
[11:56] <Nafallo> morning Mithrandir :-)
[11:57] <Mithrandir> hiya Nafallo 
[11:57] <Mithrandir> fsvo morning, I guess.
[11:57] <Nafallo> hehe, I've been up since 7 so... ;-)
[11:58] <Mithrandir> I've been up since four or so, five possibly.  (CET)
[11:58] <Nafallo> ehm
[11:58] <Nafallo> WHY? :-P
[11:58] <Mithrandir> because I was on a plane.
[11:58] <Nafallo> ah
[11:59] <Mithrandir> the plane ride from .ca to .nl is too short.
[11:59] <Nafallo> that explain things :-)
[12:01] <Diziet> Hello people.  I have the same problem - I'm walking about, but asleep.
[12:02] <Nafallo> morning Diziet :-)
[12:03] <dtf> Diziet: I've been working on a ff 1.5rc1 build
[12:03] <dtf> Diziet: have you started hacking on it yet?
[12:05] <Mithrandir> Diziet: you might want to insert caffeine into bloodstream.
[12:05] <Diziet> dtf: Yes.
[12:06] <Diziet> I have a working port of Debian's to breezy, but I'm still halfway through merging the patches between Breezy and 1.0.7 upstream.
[12:10] <Diziet> caffeine> Of course.  But I should avoid hacking on code when I'm s/sleep/caffeine/.
[12:11] <dtf> Diziet: I have a working port of Debian's to dapper.  Is there some where I can download your source from?
[12:11] <Diziet> No, it's just floating about here.  I imagine yours is similar to mine.
[12:11] <Diziet> I can give you a copy if you really want it but it's just something I made for testing purposes or I would have uploaded it.
[12:13] <dtf> Are you intrested in setting up a baz repository so we can combine our efforts?  I just join ubuntu so im not really sure of how thing work here.
[12:13] <Nafallo> s/baz/bzr/ :-)
[12:14] <dtf> s/join/joined/ :)
[12:14] <Diziet> I'm partway through and I've been doing it file-by-file and with much messing about; I don't think it'll commit well into an rcs until I'm done.
[12:15] <Diziet> FVO done = have done the merge, but still not of course the finished dapper Firefox.
[12:16] <Diziet> After that I'll definitely upload it and perhaps bzr would be a good thing to apply to the problem.
[12:19] <dtf> Do you have a time frame in mind?  This is my first Ubuntu effort so I'll continue to working locally getting the feel for the "Ubunu way" then start contribuiting patches to you.
[12:20] <Diziet> Well, I'm walking-asleep today but I was going to work on Firefox tomorrow.  I'm not sure how long it'll take but a small number of days (2 maybe).
[12:21] <Diziet> patches> Sure.
[12:21] <Diziet> To be perfectly honest with you I haven't yet used bzr ...
[12:21] <dtf> Cool -- I'll keep lurking and learning and doing bug triage
[12:22] <Diziet> Oh, you're dfarning !
[12:22] <Diziet> I should say thank you for your work on the bugs.  Well done; it's very helpful.
[12:23] <dtf> Yes.  I'm trying to earn my chops here.
[12:24] <Diziet> JOOI, did you find the patch to make sid's build on dapper at all difficult ?  The one I made for breezy was trivial.
[12:25] <Diziet> (I've been at UBZ so haven't been touching any of this for a week and a half.)
[12:57] <Pygi> we freeflying
[12:57] <Pygi> wb*
[12:57] <freeflying> Pygi:hi
[12:57] <Pygi> Hi
[01:15] <Nafallo> seb128: ping/hi! :-)
[01:15] <seb128> Nafallo: pong
[01:16] <Nafallo> seb128: I've took debians screem and uupdated to 0.16.0. something we should put in dapper?
[01:16] <Nafallo> they are at http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/packages/
[01:17] <seb128> do we need to create some diff? what about syncing?
[01:17] <Nafallo> debian haven't updated yet
[01:18] <Nafallo> and I had to change the dbus-depend
[01:18] <seb128> yeah, and but we can wait on them, no? :)
[01:18] <seb128> I'm busy enough without working on screem to be honest
[01:18] <seb128> I'm just back from UBZ and need to catch up with 2 weeks of mails/bugs/packaging/etc
[01:19] <\sh> seb128: back at home? :)
[01:19] <seb128> yeah, good old France
[01:19] <Nafallo> hehe, ofcourse we can. but we have had 0.12 since hoary completly skipping 0.14 so... ;-)
[01:20] <seb128> yeah
[01:20] <seb128> Debian has 0.15.1 than we can sync
[01:20] <seb128> if you find somebody to sponsor your 0.16 feel free too
[01:20] <Nafallo> I've just that one for a while :-)
[01:20] <\sh> seb128: how is the situation in france? I read this morning the newspapers...and it doesn't look good in toulouse...
[01:20] <Nafallo> oki, thanx (/me goes to hunt down Mithrandir) ;-)
[01:21] <seb128> \sh: dunno, I've not read a lot of news this week
[01:21] <seb128> Nafallo: good
[01:21] <seb128> Nafallo: he just travelled back from UBZ at well, so I guess he will catch with sleep and some other stuff too today
[01:22] <Nafallo> seb128: yea, but now I atleast have your permission to bug him :-)
[01:23] <Nafallo> \sh: oh? switched bank yet? :-)
[01:24] <\sh> Nafallo: not now...I had much more serious to deal with :( 
[01:24] <\sh> but i'll do it during this week...
[01:24] <\sh> seb128: and u should sleep 
[01:25] <sivang> seb128: ah, you've just arrived?
[01:25] <seb128> like 2 hours ago
[01:25] <seb128> Nafallo: no, I said that we can probably wait to get the new version with a sync :)
[01:26] <seb128> Nafallo: but you are free to bother somebody for it, just don't blame me
[01:27] <Nafallo> seb128: we could ofcourse, or we upload 0ubuntu1 tomorrow (already talked to Tollef :-)) waiting for debian to catch up. I'm willing to care a little extra for screem as you've probably already figured out :-).
[01:27] <sivang> seb128: then really, you need to go to sleep :-)
[01:28] <seb128> no
[01:28] <Nafallo> everyone * ubz should probably sleep :-P
[01:28] <seb128> sleeping now is using a wrong tz
[01:28] <slomo_> seb128: why didn't you just sync gst-ffmpeg from debian?
[01:29] <\sh> mvo: when did u arrive?
[01:29] <seb128> slomo_: because I don't want to work on the diff of what they cripple from it now
[01:29] <\sh> seb128: i just slept more then 16 hours to catch up
[01:29] <slomo_> seb128: the debian version contains a fix for non-altivec powerpcs... it isn't completly fixed upstream... i worked with lool on it
[01:29] <mvo> \sh: about 1h ago, I'm using my shinny new wlan!
[01:30] <seb128> slomo_: I don't really care right now to be honest, you could as well have done it, nobody touched it for weeks I've updated it
[01:30] <\sh> mvo: wooo...it works? :)
[01:30] <seb128> slomo_: next time ask for a sync or update it
[01:31] <slomo_> seb128: i already requested a sync from elmo a week ago ;)
[01:31] <seb128> slomo_: instead of waiting than somebody does something to complain
[01:31] <seb128> slomo_: k, so no problem I guess, that doesn't block the sync
[01:31] <mvo> \sh: yep, perfectly. my gf loves you for it, because it makes a cable go away that she hated :)
[01:31] <seb128> and at least we get the new version
[01:31] <slomo_> seb128: sorry, i didn't want to complain... i only wanted to know if you had a specific reason for this ;)
[01:32] <seb128> slomo_: no, but do we want to turn off everything than Debian turn off?
[01:32] <\sh> mvo: good to hear...
[01:32] <seb128> mvo: doh, you forgot to get blue hairs
[01:33] <mvo> seb128: yeah, didn't managed to get up in time :/
[01:33] <slomo_> seb128: they turn of all encoders and it's probably wise to do so... with encoders turned on it should be in multiverse as users can get into trouble when using them
[01:33] <slomo_> seb128: at least lool told me that he disabled the encoders for that reason
[01:33] <\sh> seb128: mvo and blue hairs?
[01:34] <seb128> yeah
[01:34] <mvo> \sh: I wanted the same stuff as jbailey 
[01:34] <seb128> slomo_: stop trying to move the world to multiverse
[01:34] <seb128> first vlc
[01:34] <seb128> now that :p
[01:34] <seb128> anyway, lunch time
[01:34] <seb128> bbl
[01:35] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:35] <slomo_> seb128: yes, that was a mistake ;) but some stuff has to be removed from vlc anyway to leave it in universe... and gst-ffmpeg will stay in universe, just with decoders turned off like in debian
[01:35] <\sh> mvirkkil: jeff had blue hairs? i didn't see it yesterday
[01:36] <\sh> mvo that is...
[01:36] <\sh> not mvirkkil 
[01:36] <slomo_> seb128: and ffmpeg will stay in universe too... just to clarify :P
[01:36] <mvo> \sh: not all of his hair, just hanks(?) of it
[01:37] <\sh> mvo: ah :) well...my glasses just filtered that out :)
[01:38] <mvo> haha, true :)
[01:39] <\sh> anyway...i'm just waiting for my good old pizza cab...
[01:40] <\sh> yeah...
[01:40] <\sh> merges
[01:40] <zakame> hi all
[01:41] <pef> zakame: hello !
[01:41] <zakame> hi pef ! :)
[01:51] <slomo_> seb128: and exactly for that reasons i asked on the list... if it is a mistake or isn't... anyway... doesn't matter anymore... if you want to talk with me about it just write me a mail (slomo@ubuntu.com) or talk to me this evening when i'm back ;)
[02:21] <zakame> wb all
[02:49] <Keybuk> Diziet: you left some kind of key in the room
[02:57] <Seveas> Kamion, elmo, mako, awake?
[02:57] <Seveas> CC meeting in 5 minute
[02:57] <Seveas> s
[03:03] <tsume> its mdz :)
[03:03] <tsume> mdz: so what if a lab monkey feels insulted about ubuntu? :P
[03:05] <jsgotangco> hello fang :)
[03:05] <tsume> kiba == fang
[03:08] <Diziet> keybuk: Oh, one of those round ones ?  That'll be the one for my laptop lock.  I have two, so it can come back to me by pigeon post.
[03:10] <pitti> infinity: ping
[03:11] <tsume> jsgotangco: tsume is claw, nail, talon, hoof
[03:11] <jsgotangco> tsume: yes, i was wrong....
[03:11] <tsume> jsgotangco: perfectly okay :)
[03:12] <tsume> jsgotangco: its better than saying "hey you"
[03:12] <jdub> hey jsgotangco 
[03:12] <jdub> i'm sitting next to sascha
[03:13] <jsgotangco> jdub: hey!
[03:13] <jsgotangco> yeah sacha emailed me a few hours ago, say my regards
[03:13] <jsgotangco> jdub: i got email from sonia, she seems pretty upset at you :)
[03:13] <infinity> pitti : pong
[03:13] <zakame> jsgotangco: sacha chua?
[03:13] <jdub> jsgotangco: ugh, yeah :(
[03:14] <jdub> zakame: yes :)
[03:14] <zakame> jdub: wow
[03:14] <jsgotangco> jdub: you might get sucked into signging keys with her
[03:14] <jdub> jsgotangco: i think we made quite the wrong decision for a korean event :(
[03:14] <jdub> jsgotangco: haha, not this time, had to revoke mine :)
[03:15] <jsgotangco> jdub: i just emailed sonia, will wait for her reply tommorow who knows maybe it'll push through its only a 2 day event anyways
[03:15] <jdub> jsgotangco: we're talking to mako about going too, so maybe that will settle her
[03:16] <jdub> i feel really bad :(
[03:16] <zakame> jdub: aww
[03:18] <infinity> pitti : pong
[03:18] <pitti> infinity: hi
[03:18] <pitti> infinity: I added some remarks to the splashdown wiki page
[03:19] <infinity> pitti : Ahh, cool.  I'll fix it up first thing.  Thanks.
[03:19] <sabdfl> Riddell: ping
[03:20] <Riddell> sabdfl: gu
[03:20] <Riddell> hi
[03:37] <trulux> morning
[03:37] <zakame> evening
[03:37] <pef> elmo: ping ?
[03:51] <Burgundavia> seb128, is there supposed to be an O (as in the letter) in the package number of gnome-media?
[03:52] <Riddell> is there an ubuntu gpg key server?
[03:52] <Kinnison> yes
[03:52] <Kinnison> keyserver.ubuntu.com
[03:52] <zakame> Riddell: keyserver.ubuntu.com
[03:53] <Riddell> cool, thanks
[04:17] <pitti> dholbach!
[04:17] <dholbach> hey pitti
[04:17] <dholbach> hi everybody else
[04:19] <Keybuk> heyheyhey
[04:24] <Diziet> If we had localised package descriptions we could have a special locale for randomness.
[04:24] <infinity> Keybuk : Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
[04:26] <Diziet> A friend of mine made a `guru' locale which translates EFOO and SIGFOO as EFOO and SIGFOO FAVO FOO except for PIPE.
[04:30] <Keybuk> . o O { where do SuSE put their source RPMS ? }
[04:38] <Keybuk> hmm, SL-OSS-edge only has udev 072-2
[05:09] <dieman> arugh, start talking on the support chan like you know something and people start msging you directly :|
[05:11] <Diziet> keybuk: Did you see my comment earlier about the mystery key ?
[05:13] <Keybuk> Diziet: no, I missed that
[05:13] <Keybuk> what is it?
[05:17] <Keybuk> 0.75user 0.81system 0:13.42elapsed 11%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
[05:17] <Keybuk> 0inputs+0outputs (1752major+5979minor)pagefaults 0swaps
[05:17] <Keybuk> 13.42s
[05:17] <Keybuk> it's the --quick that makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE
[05:18] <Kinnison> Keybuk: quick?
[05:18] <Keybuk> Kinnison: depmod
[05:18] <Kinnison> Keybuk: You're kidding?
[05:18] <Kinnison> dear gods
[05:19] <Kinnison> What does --quick turn off?
 keybuk: Oh, one of those round ones ?  That'll be the one for my laptop lock.  I have two, so it can come back to me by pigeon post.
[05:20] <Keybuk> quick makes it stat before it reads the module
[05:20] <Kinnison> so quick turns something *ON* ?
[05:20] <Kinnison> that should *so* be the default
[05:20] <Keybuk> usually you run depmod to deliberately regenerate the modules
[05:20] <Keybuk> we so shouldn't be running it on every boot
[05:24] <Kamion> Keybuk: give Diziet's key to me when we're going home and I'll pass it on
[05:24] <Kinnison> jbailey: I get an I/O error on this disc :-(
[05:41] <Riddell> anyone have ubuntu breezy CDs to have and able to tell me the front cover text
[05:41] <Riddell> ?
[05:42] <Diziet> riddell: Just a mo ...
[05:44] <Diziet> riddell: The text on the front of the cardboard pouch, or on the front of the CD ?
[05:44] <Diziet> IBM++
[05:44] <Diziet> No hassle service on my laptop's display fault (just acquired).
[05:45] <Riddell> Diziet: front of the cardboard
[05:45] <jbailey> Kinnison: *pout*
[05:46] <Diziet> `ubuntu' with in smaller letters below `linux for human beings' and then in the corner `Version 5.10 for your PC'.
[05:46] <Diziet> The main `ubuntu' and subtitle is in a white inset with an ubuntu logo at the left.
[05:47] <Riddell> nothing about intel/amd/x86/32-bit ?
[05:47] <Diziet> My capitalisation is as found on the cardboard.
[05:47] <Diziet> There's a lot of text on the back.
[05:47] <Diziet> Including `This PC Edition will run on Intel x86-based system (including Intel Pentium and AMD Athlon).'
[05:47] <Diziet> No mention of 64-bit or 32-bit.
[05:48] <Diziet> The spine (which tends to end up folded flat slightly because it's much wider than the thickness of the whole package) says  `Ubuntu [spot]  linux for human beings       Version 5.10 for your PC'.
[05:48] <Diziet> [spot]  is a greenish dot about the size of an `o'.
[05:50] <Diziet> Why do you ask ?
[05:55] <Riddell> Diziet: I'm making the kubuntu CD cover
[05:55] <Riddell> and my bag with breezy CDs is somewhere between heathrow terminal 4 and here
[05:57] <jsgotangco> oohhhh
[05:58] <Diziet> riddell: Urgh, you left your bag behind ?
[05:58] <Diziet> You should get Claire or someone to give you a copy of the Ubuntu artwork, surely ?
[05:59] <Riddell> Diziet: BA left the bag behind, rather than making it follow me
[06:00] <Diziet> That's clever of them.
[06:01] <Diziet> You flew on from LHR to Edinburgh, then ?
[06:02] <Riddell> yes
[06:03] <Diziet> If it would help I could scan it.
[06:08] <Riddell> Diziet: that would be quiet useful actually if you could
[06:12] <jordi> I need seb.
[06:13] <seb128> jordi: what is that about?
[06:13] <jordi> oh
[06:13] <jordi> you're here already
[06:14] <seb128> elmo: please sync gnome-doc-utils
[06:14] <jordi> seb128: so, SMEG isn't translatable at all.
[06:14] <seb128> jordi: it's fixed with the new version
[06:14] <jordi> seb128: that's crap. Do you know if their official CVS repo is cvs.gnome.org? If so, there's njo activity in a while.
[06:14] <jordi> which new version?
[06:14] <seb128> smeg 0.6
[06:14] <slomo> seb128: sorry if i was a bit harsh to you earlier today... for gst-ffmpeg i would suggest to use debian's version and just re-enable the encoders... that way we won't lose functionality and as nobody complained before let's do it this way until someone complains or until we get someone with legal knowledge to look at it... ok with you?
[06:14] <seb128> Amaranth changed the name too
[06:15] <seb128> slomo: np don't worry. Sure, that's universe package feel free to do this :)
[06:16] <seb128> jordi: I got pinged about that during first week at UBZ but I was quite busy, I'll have a look on it again
[06:17] <slomo> seb128: i want to ask anyway as you care for the whole gnome stack and this is a outer part of it ;) i'll do it then...
[06:18] <seb128> thanks for asking :)
[06:18] <jordi> seb128: good
[06:18] <Diziet> riddell: uploading now.
[06:19] <jordi> if everything is good, smeg will get imported utomatically in dapper
[06:19] <jordi> let me check if it is now, actually
[06:19] <jordi> apparently not yet
[06:20] <jordi> seb128: was your flight good?
[06:20] <jordi> seb128: Do you still have a car
[06:20] <jordi> seb128: or is your neighbourhood in flames?
[06:21] <seb128> jordi: flight was nice, dinner, movies, breakfast and some sleep and we were arrived
[06:22] <seb128> no riot around here, I live in a small quiet town ;)
[06:23] <jordi> seb128: heh, I just found this
[06:23] <jordi> in my favourite daily strip in Spain
[06:23] <jordi> http://www.elpais.es/vineta.html?d_date=20051108&xref=20051108elpepivin_1&type=Tes&anchor=elpporopi
[06:24] <jordi> I think you'll understand the text
[06:24] <jordi> if not, tell me
[06:25] <seb128> jordi: "condenado"?
[06:25] <jordi> sentenced
[06:26] <Diziet> Riddell: right, the first file is pretty much there.
[06:26] <Diziet> Look at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/d/share009.tif and share010.tif (still on its way).
[06:26] <jordi> so "do you have something to say before being sentenced to be the French Minister of Internal affairs?"
[06:27] <seb128> jordi: k, thanks ;)
[06:27] <Diziet> I unfolded the card and took the cds out.  009 is the outside and 010 (uploading now) is the inside.
[06:27] <Diziet> 16Mb TIFF each :-).
[06:29] <Diziet> Riddell: Anyway, I hope that's helpful.  I'm going to go and eat now so I can fall over.
[06:30] <Riddell> Diziet: very helpful, thanks
[06:30] <Diziet> NP
[06:30] <Diziet> Goodnight everyone.
[06:31] <seb128> 'night Diziet
[06:31] <seb128> elmo: glib2.0 sync please
[06:33] <seb128> mdke_: this kind of rent (totem/mozilla) is usually not really useful ...
[06:33] <mdke_> seb128, what's wrong?
[06:34] <seb128> mdke_: just reading your rent about totem package on bugzilla
[06:34] <mdke_> i would hardly call it a rant
[06:34] <seb128> "I know that multimedia is hard but implementing bad solutions
[06:34] <seb128> will give Ubuntu a bad name."
[06:35] <seb128> the solution has nothing Ubuntu specific
[06:35] <seb128> and I don't think totem gives a bad name to Ubuntu
[06:35] <mdke_> seb128, i simply bumped the bug up to major because, as specified in the HelpingWithBugs page, it affects a lot of people
[06:35] <seb128> I've nothing against that
[06:35] <seb128> but against the comment
[06:35] <mdke_> ok
[06:35] <mdke_> seb128, you're misunderstanding my comment
[06:35] <seb128> you are basically say "slacker your work make Ubuntu bad"
[06:36] <mdke_> seb128, i don't mean Ubuntu has introduced the bug, I think however that Ubuntu shouldn't ship a plugin by default if it crashes when playing ogg files
[06:36] <seb128> for something which is nothing Ubuntu specific
[06:36] <seb128> it doesn't crash for me
[06:36] <seb128> what about beeing useful and giving details on your arch, what you do exactly, a backtrace, etc
[06:36] <mdke_> seb128, lemme know what you need and I'll attach it
[06:37] <mdke_> but there are several backtraces already on the bug iirc
[06:37] <seb128> do you use amd64?
[06:37] <mdke_> i386
[06:37] <seb128> hum, k
[06:37] <seb128> I thought the issue might be amd64 specific
[06:37] <seb128> I've no crash on my i386
[06:38] <mdke_> what can i do to help?
[06:38] <seb128> do you use totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[06:38] <mdke_> gstreamer
[06:38] <mdke_> everything is default
[06:38] <seb128> no gst-ffmpeg so?
[06:38] <mdke_> yes, I've installed that, shall i remove it and try?
[06:38] <seb128> yep please
[06:38] <elmo> seb128: mais non, je suis desoler
[06:38] <elmo>  [dpkg-source output:]  dpkg-source: error: file glib2.0_2.8.3.orig.tar.gz has size 3387973 instead of expected 3387955
[06:39] <mdke_> seb128, shall i remove anything else? I also have the plugins and plugins-multiverse
[06:39] <seb128> elmo: grrr, merci quand mme :) Et "gnome-doc-utils"?
[06:39] <pitti> seb128: can you please do a small gst change for me?
[06:39] <seb128> pitti: sure
[06:40] <pitti> seb128: I'll upload a new jack to dapper
[06:40] <seb128> mdke_: that doesn't hurt, so we know if that comes from some other package
[06:40] <mdke_> seb128, i'll do my best
[06:40] <seb128> pitti: the Debian maintainer has dropped the jack sink
[06:40] <pitti> seb128: the build-dep of gst-plugins0.8 has to change s/libjack0.80.0-0/libjack0.100.0-0/
[06:40] <pitti> seb128: that's even better
[06:40] <seb128> pitti: I think I'll just drop it as well
[06:41] <seb128> cool
[06:41] <pitti> seb128: yes, pleeeeeease!
[06:41] <pitti> seb128: I love you for that, you know?
[06:41] <seb128> mdke_: does it crash when opening the file? Or when moving back to an another page?
[06:41] <pitti> seb128: it was the only thing that keeps jack in main
[06:41] <seb128> rock
[06:41] <elmo> seb128: tout fait
[06:41] <seb128> elmo: merci bien
[06:41] <mdke_> seb128, the file doesn't play, then firefox crashes when moving to another page
[06:43] <pitti> seb128: do you have a roadmap for that?
[06:43] <seb128> pitti: for what? gst-plugins0.8? I'll do it now
[06:44] <pitti> seb128: rock
[06:45] <pitti> seb128: k, I unseed gstreamer-jack now
[06:45] <seb128> cool
[06:46] <seb128> dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-dev | grep gl.h
[06:46] <seb128> grumpf
[06:47] <mdke_> seb128, would you know by any chance, what package provides that plugin? I need to reinstall it
[06:47] <seb128> where is gl.h hidding
[06:47] <seb128> mdke_: what plugin? the totem one? totem
[06:47] <seb128> totem-<variant> rather
[06:47] <mdke_> yes that one, thanks
[06:50] <mdke_> seb128, fwiw, this is the info I have in about:plugins http://pastebin.com/421932
[06:53] <mdke_> seb128, i'll test the plugin when I get home, I'm blocked by a content-filter here, so i'll post to the bug if you're not around
[06:53] <seb128> k, thanks
[06:53] <seb128> it refuses to crash here
[06:54] <seb128> with epiphany or firefox
[06:54] <mdke_> odd
[06:54] <mdke_> ok revert later, bye!
[06:55] <mirak> seb128: hi, can I ask you some question about amd64 ?
[06:56] <seb128> sure, but I'm probably not at the best place to reply I use an i386 installation
[06:56] <pitti> mirak: don't stop him merging gst-plugins :-)
[06:56] <mirak> seb128: I was wondering why is there a amd64-generic kernel amd64-k8
[06:56] <mirak> ok
[06:57] <mirak> Ioups
[06:57] <mirak> I mean seems there is a distinction
[06:57] <mirak> I am also wondering if amd64 ubuntu is compiled with SSE and such
[07:01] <Amaranth> amd64 is amd and intel 64-bit processors
[07:02] <Amaranth> so i don't think k8 would be right for the intel ones
[07:02] <Kamion> -generic is used by the installer
[07:03] <Kamion> -k8 and -xeon are optimised for real-amd64 and Intel EM64T respectively
[07:05] <mirak> Kamion: so what exactly do they use ?
[07:05] <mirak> in plus
[07:05] <mirak> SSE ?
[07:08] <fabbione> mirak: a more specific kernel usually enables the features that are available only on that CPU
[07:08] <fabbione> and the kernel is compiled with more specific flags to make better use of some CPU resources
[07:09] <fabbione> a generic one is always required to identify the minimum common denominator, and be sure to be able to boot/install
[07:09] <fabbione> (sort of a safe approach)
[07:09] <fabbione> it doesn't mean that the generic kernel sucks
[07:09] <fabbione> it means that in some specific situation it might be slower
[07:09] <fabbione> that's it
[07:10] <mirak> ah
[07:10] <mirak> apt-build is broken
[07:10] <mirak> it's possible to recompile stuffs with it
[07:17] <Keybuk> jbailey: can I borrow you for a moment
[07:25] <Kamion> elmo: please sync mdcfg, binfmt-support
[07:27] <elmo> Kamion: done
[07:33] <janimo> Kamion, with ubuntu express will thee seed categories be simplified? I.e live goes away?
[07:33] <Kamion> janimo: no
[07:33] <janimo> will there be separate live/install CDs too as now?
[07:33] <Kamion> the install CD will still be supported, it just (hopefully) won't be sent out in shipit any more
[07:33] <seb128> pitti: should I switch the default sink to alsa?
[07:35] <Kamion> elmo: please sync floppy-retriever
[07:38] <elmo> Kamion: done
[07:43] <Kamion> elmo: please sync baseconfig-udeb (sorry for the one-by-ones, I keep thinking "this one's the last")
[07:45] <elmo> Kamion: done
[07:58] <janimo> Kamion, what's the diff between debootstrap and cdebootstrap?
[07:59] <Kamion> janimo: debootstrap works
[08:00] <Kamion> cdebootstrap is a reimplementation for reasons that are now obsolete, and it's never been updated to work with Ubuntu
[08:01] <janimo> thanks
[08:03] <mdke_> seb128, still around?
[08:03] <seb128> mdke_: yep
[08:04] <mdke_> seb128, still reproducing the bug, after removing gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[08:04] <seb128> k, definitively weird bug
[08:05] <mdke> seb128, i removed gstreamer0.8-plugins then did a debfoster and removed everything beginning with gstreamer, but I'm not 100% sure I've got nothing more than the default packages, I might have the occasionally plugin i guess
[08:06] <mdke> seb128, the videos I'm using to test it are those at http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/
[08:06] <seb128> yeah, I've tried on those as well
[08:06] <seb128> it starts playing some frames
[08:06] <seb128> then stop
[08:06] <seb128> but doesn't crash
[08:06] <seb128> I can go back, go to google or whatever
[08:06] <seb128> try another video, etc
[08:06] <mdke> seb128, strange. with me when I navigate away, it crashes
[08:08] <mdke> seb128, can i provide any more help?
[08:09] <seb128> mdke: debug backtrace if you get better ones than the bug one. Does it happen with epiphany-browser ?
[08:09] <mdke> checking
[08:10] <mdke> seb128, no, works fine
[08:11] <seb128> oh, interesting
[08:11] <seb128> I blame firefox so :)
[08:13] <mdke> seb128, what packages should I be building with debug support for a backtrace? do I need to rebuild ff?
[08:13] <seb128> yep
[08:13] <mdke> gah, ok
[08:31] <Kamion> elmo: please sync console-common
[08:48] <slomo> elmo: will we get NEW packages from debian/unstable automatically?
[08:49] <pitti> interesting question - I wait for postgresql-8.1
[09:01] <pitti> elmo: please sync jack-audio-connection-kit
[09:01] <pitti> elmo: (Ubuntu override ok)
[09:01] <lifeless> fabbione: ping
[09:02] <pitti> seb128: thanks for gst
[09:03] <fabbione> lifeless: pong?
[09:04] <spstarr_work> whats happening in Toronto?
[09:04] <spstarr_work> some event w/ ubuntu?
[09:04] <\sh> hmmm....is there any official announcement for this IBM DB2 thingie?
[09:05] <lifeless> fabbione: are you still doing our kernel ?
[09:05] <lifeless> I have a request ...
[09:06] <fabbione> lifeless: -> BenC
[09:06] <fabbione> lifeless: and bugzilla please
[09:06] <lifeless> fabbione: thanks.
[09:06] <lifeless> fabbione: not malone ?
[09:06] <fabbione> lifeless: did we officially switch to malone?
[09:06] <fabbione> if not -> bugzilla
[09:06] <lifeless> fabbione: I thought so
[09:07] <fabbione> i didn't see any mail to -devel or -announce
[09:07] <fabbione> so i doubt there have been a switch
[09:07] <lifeless> just asked
[09:07] <lifeless> no, not yet
[09:07] <fabbione> :)
[09:07] <lifeless> :}-
[09:09] <lifeless> I wonder if kinnison has integration planned? deriving is easy :)
[09:11] <sivang> \sh: will go off tomorrow
[09:12] <lifeless> modprobe snd_bt_sco
[09:12] <lifeless> FATAL: Module snd_bt_sco not found.
[09:12] <lifeless> fabbione: ^^
[09:12] <\sh> sivang: hmm...now it's not a surprise anymore :*
[09:14] <sivang> \sh: hrm oops, well, nobody watched this channel besides developers no? :)
[09:14] <\sh> sivang: u wrote it on -devel...
[09:14] <sivang> \sh: I know :) it was intended, just kidding
[09:14] <\sh> sivang: well....I wonder if heise.de will catch it
[09:15] <sivang> \sh: they are scraping our mls ?
[09:16] <\sh> sivang: many of the heise.de gang are reading MLs, IRC logs, rss feeds...they are geeks not only journalists :)
[09:16] <lifeless> fabbione: ah, we rename the module. bah
[09:16] <sivang> \sh: cool :)
[09:17] <sivang> \sh: anyway, too bad I need to reboot to install windows just to flash my BIOS , couldn't find a non windows needing BIOS flashing way
[09:17] <sivang> \sh: (for the T43)
[09:17] <fabbione> lifeless: meh actually we don't.. that's how it comes out of the kernel
[09:18] <lifeless> fabbione: hmm, not according to their documentation
[09:18] <lifeless> fabbione: ah well.
[09:18] <lifeless> fabbione: how often do we update from their sourcec ?
[09:18] <lifeless> fabbione: and, if I start maintaining the userspace, how do I get the kernel driver updated most easily ?
[09:33] <fabbione> lifeless: we do update drivers on request
[09:33] <fabbione> lifeless: i got the first request from chmj and he was supposed to do userland
[09:33] <fabbione> lifeless: i am pretty sure the driver has been already updated in .14 for dapper
[09:35] <HiddenWolf> sivang, ping
[09:40] <Keybuk> fabbione: do you really want gcc-3.4, jbailey thinks that won't build on sparc
[09:40] <fabbione> Keybuk: i can test it... if you are not in a hurry to do it right now
[09:40] <fabbione> i can wait
[09:40] <lifeless> daniels: any idea of the cuase of this ? ...
[09:41] <lifeless> bluepin 
[09:41] <lifeless> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:41] <lifeless> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:41] <fabbione> Keybuk: i am firing up a test now
[09:41] <CarlFK> when the bios is probing for boot devices, does it load/run anything?  like if I boot from a LiveCD, could something from the HD be run first?
[09:41] <Keybuk> fabbione: ok
[09:46] <mdke> seb128, ping
[09:47] <dilinger> does anyone have an amd64 machine running hoary, or w/ a hoary chroot that i can use temporarily for building on?
[09:48] <seb128> mdke: pong
[09:48] <mdke> seb128, i've rebuilt totem and firefox, and I can't get firefox to run in gdb, any ideas? the error is This GDB was configured as "i486-linux-gnu"..."/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[09:48] <seb128> run firefox
[09:48] <seb128> get the pid
[09:48] <seb128> gdb -p <pid>
[09:51] <kikidonk> mdke: it's because mozilla-firefox is not an executable but a script
[09:54] <fabbione> Keybuk: gcc-3.4 is good.. it builds at least
[09:57] <Keybuk> fabbione: where do the sparc build logs go?
[09:57] <Keybuk> what was the failure on 4?
[09:59] <fabbione> Keybuk: they go to ... hmm.. hold on.. lamont server
[09:59] <fabbione> i can forward it to you
[09:59] <fabbione> but the failure with 4 is gcc-4.0 problem
[09:59] <fabbione> we did check that during breezy
[09:59] <Keybuk> yeah, jeff's convinced that it also failed on gcc 3.4 with the same problem
[10:00] <fabbione> nope
[10:00] <mdke> kikidonk, so what should I do?
[10:00] <fabbione> Keybuk: that was gcc-4
[10:00] <fabbione> he just told him that he was confused
[10:01] <kikidonk> mdke: as seb said
[10:01] <kikidonk> or
[10:01] <kikidonk> gdb sh
[10:01] <Keybuk> ok, if you promise it won't fail again ... :o)  on its way to the archiev
[10:01] <kikidonk> > r /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[10:02] <kikidonk> in the shell
[10:02] <mdke> if I do gdb -p # then firefox crashes
[10:02] <mdke> or freezes, or whatever
[10:03] <mdke> seb128 ^
[10:03] <seb128> (gdb) run
[10:03] <seb128> no
[10:03] <seb128> (gdb) continue
[10:03] <mdke> thanks
[10:03] <seb128> np
[10:09] <mdke> seb128, got something, but I'm not convinced it adds anything to the bug report. lemme know if I should post it http://pastebin.com/422237
[10:10] <seb128> mdke: not really useful, all the strace start with ???
[10:10] <mdke> yeah
[10:11] <mdke> seb128, anything else I can do?
[10:11] <jbailey> Keybuk: Still need me? =)
[10:12] <seb128> mdke: not really, this bug is annoying :/
[10:15] <mdke> seb128, can't you deactivate the plugin with firefox until it is fixed?
[10:15] <seb128> maybe
[10:15] <seb128> need some discussion
[10:22] <Keybuk> jbailey: depends what for
[10:22] <jbailey> Keybuk: Your message earlier in this channel didn't say what for.
[10:22] <jbailey> 13:17 < Keybuk> jbailey: can I borrow you for a moment
[10:23] <mdke> silbs, mail to sounder and devel missing attachment
[10:23] <Keybuk> I'm sure I must have talked to you about that when you were in here last
[10:23] <jbailey> It's possible.  I'm feeling a bit stateless at the moment.
[10:23] <janimo> pitti, will libao2 be switched to alsa as default soon?
[10:24] <pitti> janimo: it's on the spec, yes
[10:33] <mdke> silbs, :)
[10:33] <infinity> elmo : ping.
[10:37] <lamont-away> Keybuk: http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs
[10:42] <infinity> elmo : I suspect python-libxml2 wants to be promoted to main (It's in the build-dep chain for gnome stuff)
[10:47] <Keybuk> lamont-away: I didn't find sparc on there
[10:47] <Keybuk> oh, maybe I looked at the REAL one
[10:49] <dtf> I just set up a prototype ubuntu specific firefox search engines page at http://www.rtklib.org/
[10:50] <dtf> just click a engine link from within firefox and it will install that engine in your search bar
[10:52] <lamont-away> Keybuk: buildd.mmjgroup.com is hppa/sparc, the rest are people.u.c/~lamont/buildLogs
[10:52] <Keybuk> right
[10:52] <Keybuk> I didn't look at the URL :)
[10:52] <Keybuk> I just read that as "lamont's build logs"
[10:55] <dtf> Does this look like something that would be useful to Ubuntu?
[11:00] <dholbach> good night, everybody
[11:05] <daniels> lifeless: ~/.Xauthority doesn't match the server keys
[11:11] <lifeless> daniels: interesting
[11:11] <lifeless> daniels: there is a set_display in bluepin that seems rather confused
[11:12] <lifeless> but as its called by hcid, I can understand that
[11:17] <daniels> if it's called by hcid, then it won't be using your Xauthority
[11:17] <lifeless> right, so set_display is meant to figure out what mine is
[11:17] <lifeless> has the location or anything like that moved ?
[11:31] <daniels> lifeless: no, it's still in $HOME
[11:31] <lifeless> ok
[11:31] <lifeless> I shall fiddle later, thanks
[11:32] <daniels> np
[11:33] <lifeless> jordi: are you using voip ?