=== mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/polypaudio [12:06] ... note Suggests :p [12:06] gah [12:08] Keybuk, do you remember once resolving a bug with console-data along the lines of "Can't call method choices on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm"? [12:08] no, did I? [12:08] I don't remember ever touching console-data [12:08] Keybuk: known bug [12:08] Keybuk: guess what the fix is [12:08] yeah, i haven't got a browser right now, so I can't call up bugzilla [12:09] you fixed it for breezy [12:09] Keybuk: I'll ask for removing the package from Debian :-) [12:09] i'm just dist-upgrading to dapper and I see it again :D [12:10] Keybuk, i'll just reopen once I get a browser installed [12:17] infinity: ping [12:19] hrm, seb's travelling [12:19] without saying goodbye??? [12:22] mdke: bet I didn't [12:22] Keybuk, k [12:22] 20 squid? [12:22] sure === Keybuk offers his hand to shake === mdke shakes === mdke reboots to stable system [12:24] mdke: ok, btw; I'm not Colin Watson... it was Kamion that fixed that [12:24] now, want me to /msg you my paypal details? :P === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-183-44.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Go] [12:27] erm [12:28] it was no way him [12:28] sabdfl : pong. === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:30] infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsplashInitramfs?action=info === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] Keybuk, ah bugger [12:34] Keybuk, anyhow you cheated by looking the bug up first [12:34] no, I just read the changelog :) [12:34] IIRC that bug was due to a corrupted debconf db; you might try /usr/share/debconf/fix_db.pl or whatever it is [12:35] but I haven't actually refreshed my memory on that bug so I could be wrong, shrug [12:35] mdke: scott doesn't fix bugs in existing code, he gets bored and rewrites it in java :P [12:36] ...and that was a party-political broadcast by the bendigo party === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] don't go knocking bendigo [12:37] i was having it confused with another bug [12:38] that one he fixed [12:38] wagga wagga [12:38] Kamion, yeah that is right, strange that i keep getting it though, maybe a dud cd or something === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shinmen [n=shinmen@nat1.inalambrica.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] mdke: if it's reproducible then it might well be something else; console-data is an insane heap of loosely-organised shit [12:40] elmo: wooloomooloo === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] Kamion, i'll see if that database rebuild command fixes it === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as gman [01:00] Kamion, yeah that did it === gman is now known as Gman [01:01] now to install a desktop === pitti grumbles at bzr pull/get not working with sftp:// with the seeds [01:03] pitti: bzrtools [01:03] tseng: I already have the latest crack === dtf [n=dtf@ppp-70-226-173-236.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] tseng: pull returns with a weird exception, and get hangs indefinitely [01:04] =/ [01:04] i guess ill run into that tommorow, i need it. [01:04] I wondering why ubuntu doesn't ship Xprint? I was just told it was a showstopper. [01:05] dtf: [01:05] xprint - Xprint - the X11 print system (binary) [01:05] ? [01:05] dtf: it's deprecated and broken iirc [01:06] ok, thanks. I've never used it before and don't know much about. [01:08] dtf: yeah, I told you it was a showstopper because Xprint is complete crack and we avoid it like the bplague === harrytuttle [n=harrytut@host82-81.pool80180.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === harrytuttle [n=harrytut@host82-81.pool80180.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:10] Kamion: is it ok to commit to the seeds, or shall I wait for you to finish the germinate hacking? === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] daniels: thanks [01:18] pitti: give me a sec, I'm munging [01:19] pitti: pull/get works just fine with sftp for me === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] Kamion: pull actually works now, it threw an exception before (dunno what changed) [01:19] Kamion: get just hangs [01:19] *shrug* [01:19] pitti: or, well, do what you want as long as it doesn't touch language packs :) [01:19] get http:// and then pull works fine [01:19] pitti: it's not hanging, it's just REALLY SLOW [01:19] leave it for a while and it'll work [01:19] ok, might be that, too [01:20] I lost my patience after 3 minutes without any screen change [01:20] bzr's sftp transport is, er, a bit suboptimal right now [01:20] Kamion: I just want to drop some old postgresql stuff [01:20] that's fine, I need to learn how to merge anyway ... === pitti creates a test case for Kamion :) [01:21] Kamion: btw, how often is the mirror at rookery updated from chinstrap? [01:21] pitti: under 20 minutes [01:22] Kamion: how often does the list of uninstallables get generated? daily? [01:22] daniels: cron.daily frequency [01:22] i.e. 30 minutes [01:24] Kamion: wow, my first sftp:// push; it seems to have worked [01:26] ah, cool, mesa is now installable, which means qt is now installable [01:27] daniels: but, is it _buildable_ ? [01:27] Treenaks: er, yeah [01:27] it's hard to produce binaries to be installable or otherwise when you can't build it :P [01:27] are bug reports for broken dependencies in dapper actually useful at this stage? [01:27] or just wait [01:27] ? [01:27] daniels: Gentubuntu# === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-253-68.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] damn, did someone answer my question up there after I got disconnected? === pitti [n=pitti@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] mdke: please don't, we can see an automatic report about broken deps already [01:45] pitti, thanks === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] daniels: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dbus_0.50-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack): [02:02] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/dbus-launch.1.gz', which is also in package dbus-1-utils === Cimmerian [n=crom@80.239.71.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kikidonk [n=kikidonk@ip-83-134-2-27.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@adsl-149-14-55.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] mdz: hrm, there should be a Replaces there [02:06] mdz: what version is dbus-1-utlis? [02:06] Preparing to replace dbus-1-utils 0.36.2-0ubuntu8 (using .../dbus-1-utils_0.50-1ubuntu2_i386.deb) ... [02:06] oh I pushed some of the dbus patches upstream === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] dbus-monitor and dbus-something-yada-libtool [02:07] Robot101: oh, cool [02:07] mdz: and ubuntu8 still had dbus-launch in it? [02:07] presumably [02:07] dbus (0.36.2-0ubuntu5) breezy; urgency=low [02:07] * Move dbus-launch from dbus-1-utils to dbus. This allows KDE to use [02:07] dbus-launch without pulling in all Gnome dependencies through -utils. [02:07] dpkg certainly seems to think so === Kamion goes round sealing the baz seed branches [02:08] I can no longer verify this [02:08] *shrug*, fixed now [02:17] all baz seed branches now sealed (kthxbye) [02:18] Kamion: o, sealing actually works now? [02:18] Kamion: last I looked, you could still actually commit to sealed archives === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:22] hey has anybody seen Hidde? === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] ...pardon me, i know this is the d3evel channel but does anybody here happen to be on the accessibility team for ubuntu? [02:26] i need to talk to someone from that group asap if possible. [02:26] if you're looking for specific people, try email [02:27] okay... please forgive me for my intrusion. === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@adsl-149-14-55.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.192] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio is now known as otavio[off] [02:30] morning all :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] Kamion: so, uh, what actually works w/ breezy wrt root on lvm/md? [02:52] IME, root on lvm/md works just fine as long as /boot is a regular grub-supported partition [02:53] oh, really? [02:53] that would be greate [02:53] great [02:54] well, let's see if a normal install works fine, given how unsupported sx8 itself is [02:54] i've used that setup a number of times [02:54] bunch of servers in my old job were all root on lvm+raid [02:55] where a bunch = 40 or 50 [02:55] (running debian sarge, but i've used identical setup with hoary and breezy) [02:56] Mithrandir: damn, i should taken access to that amd64 box when you offered [02:57] Mithrandir: is the offer still open? i need to recompile libparted16-udeb for amd64 [02:57] (w/ a few patches [03:00] meh, grub doesn't install === desrt makes a face at launchpad [03:02] i -so- refuse to sign the code of conduct in the way that it is demanding that i do so [03:03] at least you can [03:03] sign-only keys are still unusable for that last I checked [03:03] it's basically handing me a 160bit string and saying "please sign this" [03:03] _ya right_ [03:03] no thanks === desrt files a bug === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] evening === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] Hello === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] aw crap [03:21] my first ever launchpad bug and it has a spelling mistake in it [03:21] i hate that [03:25] desrt, that's what "Edit Description" is for [03:25] mpt; ya.. but it includes my original report still :p [03:26] That should be fixed over the next month or two, desrt [03:26] my original report still existing or the bug itself? [03:26] The original won't be removed, but it will be hidden by default [03:27] https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3996 <- and this one? :) [03:28] it's preventing me from becoming an ubuntu member :) === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] interesting [03:35] indeed [03:35] checking that the differences were only cosmetic would be rather hard to automate... [03:36] bon soir mpt, desrt [03:36] boa noite, Burgundavia [03:36] at the very least you should allow the user to insert some random string at the bottom [03:36] alternatively you should pass both documents through a regexp that turn any amount of whitespace into a single space [03:36] desrt, do we need to do any more work on power-management-config before I present the idea to the gnome-power list? [03:36] then hash them [03:36] and make sure they're still the same [03:36] Burgundavia; i was planning on talking to richard personally on irc next time i caught him [03:37] Burgundavia; but, really... the parts at the bottom are all that matter [03:37] and they're just about right [03:37] desrt, excellent, I will let you do that === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-159-108.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-212-149.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] desrt: if we also have the size of the clear text, then such a birthday attack is much much harder, is that correct? [03:57] Man. I have so many friends who use Windows who have switched to Ubuntu. [03:57] 6 so far. [03:57] Pretty nuts. [04:01] hmmmmm [04:03] desrt, Burgundavia, I think that design needs a bit of work [04:04] mpt, in what way? [04:05] for example [04:05] "Remaining percentage" doesn't really make sense when the battery is *charging* === raphxl [n=raph@smtp.xlprog-nc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] "Preferences" should probably have a "..." since the implied action is "change my preferences" [04:06] There should not be a single alert that has six buttons along the bottom, that's just scary :-) [04:07] DapperDesktopPlan talks about a Log Out / Switch alert that is (apparently) separate from the shutdown one [04:07] There's no preferences for automatic sleep/shutdown when running on mains power (e.g. I went away on holiday and forgot to turn off the computer) [04:08] There's a checkbox for "Suspend on lid close", and it's not obvious what the alternative is [04:09] If a password is required when waking the computer, should it automatically be required when unlocking the screensaver? If not, does it matter? [04:09] "Issue warning:" what? [04:09] Why have "one tab"? [04:09] mpt, the plan is to move the menu item to a first class menu item [04:10] first class panel item, that is [04:10] yes, I read that [04:11] Those are all the points I can think of right now [04:12] oh, should there be a slider for turning off the screen separately from hibernation? (XP and OS X have that) [04:12] mpt, can you drop your comments on the spec itself? [04:13] sure === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-0-58-245.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sandis [n=sandis@80.249.194.56] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] oh wow [04:26] I just found where gnome-power-manager's panel icon comes from [04:26] http://www.homepage-link.to/solutions/images/power-options.jpg [04:26] it's just recolored :-/ === StoneTable [n=stone@1380bhost162.starwoodbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] oh wow. [04:28] hmm [04:28] you certain? [04:28] I think it's traced. [04:28] but not recolored. [04:28] no, n/m [04:28] it's not. [04:28] look at the bottom of hte battery. [04:28] gpm the plug and battery bottoms line up [04:29] sure similar though. ;0 [04:29] "inspired by" [04:29] most definatly. [04:31] minghua; i'm confused by your question [04:34] minghua; birthday attack is possible either way [04:34] desrt: what I'm asking is: you said that it's possible to do a birthday attack by construct another text file which have the same SHA1 hash as the social contract people signed [04:35] yes... but not in that order [04:35] given a document it's very difficult to generate a new document with the same hash [04:36] but if you get to generate the document for yourself it's substantially easier to generate a pair of docs with the same hash [04:36] desrt: but if there is someway to specify the size of the file I signed, it's much harder to get two files with the same hash, is that correct? [04:36] no. [04:36] not correct [04:36] generally speaking, imagine a document in which 128 different things can be changed [04:36] this is easy to do [04:36] say replace a word with an equivilent word [04:36] or wrap a line one way or another [04:36] desrt: okay, I see [04:36] or insert an extra space here and remove one there [04:37] all in a way that keeps the filesize... [04:37] then you can generate 2^128 equivilent documents with different hash values... [04:38] the expected number required to do a birthday attack on sha1 is much much smaller [04:38] desrt: not necessarily 2^128 _different_ ones, but I'm not arguing here :-) [04:38] well.. you've just underlined the argument right there [04:39] chances are that you would generate two variants of the document with the same hash value :) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-159-108.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:39] and by "chances are..." i mean like 99.999999999[etc] % [04:40] desrt: my understanding is that it's relatively easy to make two file with the same hash, but harder to generate a new file to match a certain hash and size, since you only have one file to modify, is this correct? === minghua hopes it is === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] yes. [04:41] exactly. [04:41] you can even remove the "and size" constraint === raphxl [n=raph@smtp.xlprog-nc.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:41] and say "it's relatively easy to make two file with the same hash, but harder to generate a new file to match a certain hash, since you only have one file to modify" [04:43] the size constraint is wholy uninteresting since i could pad "i agree to give all of my money to alice" with a bunch of legal mumbojumbo [04:43] until it was the same size as the code of conduct === minghua is then going to assume ubuntu is "not evil" and happily sign the code of conduct :-) [04:43] plus, i'm not even sure that pgp includes the document size in the signature [04:43] that's a dangerous assumption :) [04:43] all of this being said, of course, i'm using a copy of PGP as packed by ubuntu :) [04:44] desrt: yeah, I just had the wrong impression that size matters [04:44] :-D [04:44] so i guess i can just assume that it's been programmed to send my private key to the launchpad servers :) [04:44] or even you are compiling gnupg yourself, you are using the GCC provided by ubuntu ;-) [04:44] vicious circle [04:45] i also have to read every single line of the source code of gcc and pgp and libc and linux and (etc) to make sure they're all free of backdoors..... [04:47] i should also take an electron microscope to my CPU and make sure intel hasn't installed any backdoors in the hardware..... [this gets ridiculous] === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@66.103.220.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] oops ... it appears that iwj has left the key to his suitcase in the room [04:57] oops === mdz [n=mdz@66.103.220.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] Keybuk, are you planning to do more "approved specs" emails? [04:57] Keybuk, if not, do you want me to do them? [04:57] Burgundavia: yeah, I should do one tomorrow to clean up the last of them [04:57] but if you want to instead, go for it [04:57] ok [04:58] if you were planning to do it, then go ahead [04:59] I think we did the last of the approvals today [04:59] is nice, a much more sedate pace [05:01] [OT] does anybody remember a transparent logo from somewhere? [05:04] yes, here's one --> [05:05] *cough* [05:05] What do you mean by "a transparent logo", Burgundavia? 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[n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] janimo: xterminal should removed from the archive since we have xfce4-terminal [10:36] crimsun, I agree [10:37] k, I'm off to grab a few hours of shut-eye :-) [10:37] :) [10:38] although xfce4-terminal has Replaces xterminal === ptlo [n=Senko@217.14.217.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6298B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=Senko@217.14.217.17] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:06] Can someone tell me where the format of the Release file in a Debian repository is described? === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio[off] is now known as otavio === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] Never mind. === zakame 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[11:56] morning Mithrandir :-) [11:57] hiya Nafallo [11:57] fsvo morning, I guess. [11:57] hehe, I've been up since 7 so... ;-) === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] I've been up since four or so, five possibly. (CET) [11:58] ehm [11:58] WHY? :-P [11:58] because I was on a plane. [11:58] ah [11:59] the plane ride from .ca to .nl is too short. [11:59] that explain things :-) === bobuse [n=dumoulin@cfp6018.clermont.cemagref.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bobuse [n=dumoulin@cfp6018.clermont.cemagref.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:01] Hello people. I have the same problem - I'm walking about, but asleep. [12:02] morning Diziet :-) [12:03] Diziet: I've been working on a ff 1.5rc1 build [12:03] Diziet: have you started hacking on it yet? === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] Diziet: you might want to insert caffeine into bloodstream. [12:05] dtf: Yes. [12:06] I have a working port of Debian's to breezy, but I'm still halfway through merging the patches between Breezy and 1.0.7 upstream. === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] caffeine> Of course. But I should avoid hacking on code when I'm s/sleep/caffeine/. [12:11] Diziet: I have a working port of Debian's to dapper. Is there some where I can download your source from? [12:11] No, it's just floating about here. I imagine yours is similar to mine. [12:11] I can give you a copy if you really want it but it's just something I made for testing purposes or I would have uploaded it. [12:13] Are you intrested in setting up a baz repository so we can combine our efforts? I just join ubuntu so im not really sure of how thing work here. [12:13] s/baz/bzr/ :-) [12:14] s/join/joined/ :) [12:14] I'm partway through and I've been doing it file-by-file and with much messing about; I don't think it'll commit well into an rcs until I'm done. [12:15] FVO done = have done the merge, but still not of course the finished dapper Firefox. === susus [n=sz@p5089D31F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] After that I'll definitely upload it and perhaps bzr would be a good thing to apply to the problem. [12:19] Do you have a time frame in mind? This is my first Ubuntu effort so I'll continue to working locally getting the feel for the "Ubunu way" then start contribuiting patches to you. [12:20] Well, I'm walking-asleep today but I was going to work on Firefox tomorrow. I'm not sure how long it'll take but a small number of days (2 maybe). [12:21] patches> Sure. [12:21] To be perfectly honest with you I haven't yet used bzr ... [12:21] Cool -- I'll keep lurking and learning and doing bug triage [12:22] Oh, you're dfarning ! [12:22] I should say thank you for your work on the bugs. Well done; it's very helpful. [12:23] Yes. I'm trying to earn my chops here. [12:24] JOOI, did you find the patch to make sid's build on dapper at all difficult ? The one I made for breezy was trivial. [12:25] (I've been at UBZ so haven't been touching any of this for a week and a half.) === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-072-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-48-60.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=chatzill@195.29.212.226] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying is back. [12:57] we freeflying [12:57] wb* [12:57] Pygi:hi [12:57] Hi === bob2_ [i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnozamo@h173n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StoneTable [n=stone@1380bhost162.starwoodbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] seb128: ping/hi! :-) [01:15] Nafallo: pong [01:16] seb128: I've took debians screem and uupdated to 0.16.0. something we should put in dapper? [01:16] they are at http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/packages/ [01:17] do we need to create some diff? what about syncing? [01:17] debian haven't updated yet [01:18] and I had to change the dbus-depend [01:18] yeah, and but we can wait on them, no? :) [01:18] I'm busy enough without working on screem to be honest [01:18] I'm just back from UBZ and need to catch up with 2 weeks of mails/bugs/packaging/etc [01:19] <\sh> seb128: back at home? :) [01:19] yeah, good old France [01:19] hehe, ofcourse we can. but we have had 0.12 since hoary completly skipping 0.14 so... ;-) [01:20] yeah [01:20] Debian has 0.15.1 than we can sync [01:20] if you find somebody to sponsor your 0.16 feel free too [01:20] I've just that one for a while :-) [01:20] <\sh> seb128: how is the situation in france? I read this morning the newspapers...and it doesn't look good in toulouse... [01:20] oki, thanx (/me goes to hunt down Mithrandir) ;-) [01:21] \sh: dunno, I've not read a lot of news this week [01:21] Nafallo: good [01:21] Nafallo: he just travelled back from UBZ at well, so I guess he will catch with sleep and some other stuff too today === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ [01:22] seb128: yea, but now I atleast have your permission to bug him :-) === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh had a nice jetlag...and this morning i reclaimed my lost luggage...and had a nice meeting with one of the people at our county gourt [01:23] \sh: oh? switched bank yet? :-) [01:24] <\sh> Nafallo: not now...I had much more serious to deal with :( [01:24] <\sh> but i'll do it during this week... [01:24] <\sh> seb128: and u should sleep [01:25] seb128: ah, you've just arrived? [01:25] like 2 hours ago [01:25] Nafallo: no, I said that we can probably wait to get the new version with a sync :) [01:26] Nafallo: but you are free to bother somebody for it, just don't blame me === mvo waves at \sh [01:27] seb128: we could ofcourse, or we upload 0ubuntu1 tomorrow (already talked to Tollef :-)) waiting for debian to catch up. I'm willing to care a little extra for screem as you've probably already figured out :-). [01:27] seb128: then really, you need to go to sleep :-) === \sh waves at mvo :) [01:28] no [01:28] everyone * ubz should probably sleep :-P [01:28] sleeping now is using a wrong tz [01:28] seb128: why didn't you just sync gst-ffmpeg from debian? [01:29] <\sh> mvo: when did u arrive? === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] slomo_: because I don't want to work on the diff of what they cripple from it now [01:29] <\sh> seb128: i just slept more then 16 hours to catch up [01:29] seb128: the debian version contains a fix for non-altivec powerpcs... it isn't completly fixed upstream... i worked with lool on it [01:29] \sh: about 1h ago, I'm using my shinny new wlan! [01:30] slomo_: I don't really care right now to be honest, you could as well have done it, nobody touched it for weeks I've updated it [01:30] <\sh> mvo: wooo...it works? :) [01:30] slomo_: next time ask for a sync or update it [01:31] seb128: i already requested a sync from elmo a week ago ;) [01:31] slomo_: instead of waiting than somebody does something to complain [01:31] slomo_: k, so no problem I guess, that doesn't block the sync [01:31] \sh: yep, perfectly. my gf loves you for it, because it makes a cable go away that she hated :) [01:31] and at least we get the new version [01:31] seb128: sorry, i didn't want to complain... i only wanted to know if you had a specific reason for this ;) [01:32] slomo_: no, but do we want to turn off everything than Debian turn off? [01:32] <\sh> mvo: good to hear... [01:32] mvo: doh, you forgot to get blue hairs [01:33] seb128: yeah, didn't managed to get up in time :/ [01:33] seb128: they turn of all encoders and it's probably wise to do so... with encoders turned on it should be in multiverse as users can get into trouble when using them [01:33] seb128: at least lool told me that he disabled the encoders for that reason [01:33] <\sh> seb128: mvo and blue hairs? [01:34] yeah [01:34] \sh: I wanted the same stuff as jbailey [01:34] slomo_: stop trying to move the world to multiverse [01:34] first vlc [01:34] now that :p [01:34] anyway, lunch time [01:34] bbl === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] hehe [01:35] seb128: yes, that was a mistake ;) but some stuff has to be removed from vlc anyway to leave it in universe... and gst-ffmpeg will stay in universe, just with decoders turned off like in debian [01:35] <\sh> mvirkkil: jeff had blue hairs? i didn't see it yesterday === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] <\sh> mvo that is... [01:36] <\sh> not mvirkkil [01:36] seb128: and ffmpeg will stay in universe too... just to clarify :P [01:36] \sh: not all of his hair, just hanks(?) of it [01:37] <\sh> mvo: ah :) well...my glasses just filtered that out :) [01:38] haha, true :) [01:39] <\sh> anyway...i'm just waiting for my good old pizza cab... === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] <\sh> yeah... [01:40] <\sh> merges === mvo goes for lunch too === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] hi all [01:41] zakame: hello ! 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[02:49] Diziet: you left some kind of key in the room === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dereks__ [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@209.104.102.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:57] Kamion, elmo, mako, awake? [02:57] CC meeting in 5 minute [02:57] s === bradb_ [n=bradb@66.103.220.209] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdzzz [n=mdz@66.103.220.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] its mdz :) [03:03] mdz: so what if a lab monkey feels insulted about ubuntu? :P [03:05] hello fang :) [03:05] kiba == fang === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A635DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] keybuk: Oh, one of those round ones ? That'll be the one for my laptop lock. I have two, so it can come back to me by pigeon post. === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.195.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] infinity: ping [03:11] jsgotangco: tsume is claw, nail, talon, hoof [03:11] tsume: yes, i was wrong.... [03:11] jsgotangco: perfectly okay :) [03:12] jsgotangco: its better than saying "hey you" === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] hey jsgotangco [03:12] i'm sitting next to sascha === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] jdub: hey! [03:13] yeah sacha emailed me a few hours ago, say my regards [03:13] jdub: i got email from sonia, she seems pretty upset at you :) [03:13] pitti : pong === jkbys [n=jkbys@218-251-52-236.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] jsgotangco: sacha chua? [03:13] jsgotangco: ugh, yeah :( [03:14] zakame: yes :) [03:14]