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judaxquiet in here tonight01:29
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judaxyou installed dapper?01:33
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mdkesort of01:33
judaxyou are a brave and adventurous man01:33
mdkebored01:34
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mdkeit will enable me to learn a bit of dpkg tho01:35
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judaxyes, being bored can lead to some fun01:36
mdke:)01:36
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mdkejudax, sorry, diconnected, did you say how you were?01:56
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Kinnisonciao02:07
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Burgundaviabon soir all03:35
Burgundaviagrr, sorry for the spam03:35
mgalvinhi Burgundavia03:35
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Burgundaviais there an ubuntu marketing channel03:54
BurgundaviaMadpilot, ping03:54
robitailleBurgundavia,  not that I know.03:54
Burgundaviagrr03:55
Burgundaviahad a good chat with Malcolm, the canonical marketing guy03:55
Burgundaviaat ubz, that is03:55
robitailleBurgundavia,  the ubuntuforum group do their weekly meeting on #spreadmeeting  ...03:56
Burgundaviagrr03:57
Burgundaviawe have official channels for meeting03:57
robitailleBurgundavia,  do you know why my name is in  ExampleContent in the example video section?03:57
Burgundaviacause you have good ogg vides03:57
Burgundaviavideos03:57
Burgundaviaof the family, lik03:57
robitailleBurgundavia,  I told them to do them on ubuntu-meeting, but they turned me down   http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1003:58
robitailleBurgundavia,  oh that's why.  I was surprised to see my name in there :)03:58
Burgundaviaas long as you don't mind04:00
robitaillenah; I'll figure out with jdub something to do.     it's a interesting  spec.  A lot of cool little things in there to do.04:03
BurgundaviaI need to find our create some "this is an ms office doc that you can open in openoffice"04:05
Burgundaviahow big is the insert in a dvd case?04:24
Burgundaviathe paper cover thingy04:24
Burgundavianever mind04:52
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MadpilotBurgundavia: pong05:25
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bhuvanrob^: ping06:21
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BurgundaviaMadpilot, I was thinking about getting Ubuntu CDs into the GVPL catalogue06:40
BurgundaviaMadpilot, any idea how easy that is?06:40
Madpilotyou mean circulating copies of the LiveCDs or something?06:40
Burgundaviayes06:41
Burgundaviain a dvd case06:41
Madpilotcool idea - we do have a CDROM collection, remember06:41
Burgundaviait was an idea that nelson of the osi raised06:41
Burgundaviaat UBZ06:42
Madpilotcool06:42
Burgundaviaso I figured I could trial at GVPL before seeing if I could get a whole lot of libraries across Canada to do it06:42
MadpilotI'm not actually sure who's in charge of the CDROM collection at Central; at the branches it's the Branch Heads, of course06:43
Burgundaviathe reason I thought DVD case was then we could put a little book inside as well06:43
Burgundaviaabout Ubuntu Canada and where to get extra help06:43
Madpilothave you seen the handout PDF I've been working on?06:44
Burgundaviathe one with the huge block of text?06:44
Madpilotyeah06:45
Madpilotenglish one side, french other06:45
Burgundavianice idea, but implementation, imho06:45
Madpilotit is a big block of text, isn't it?06:45
Madpilotit's a straight copy of the ubuntu.ca wiki's text06:45
Burgundaviaouch06:45
Madpilothttp://ubuntu.ca/wiki/index.php/CD_Insert06:46
BurgundaviaI have most of a DVD cover already done06:46
Burgundaviajust needs to back cover text and the side text06:46
Madpilotemail me a pic?06:46
Burgundaviahttp://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotubuntudvdcoversvgink.png06:47
Madpilotlooks good - make the black lines much skinnier06:48
Burgundaviain random other news, I am strongly considering dropping firefox as my browser entirely06:48
Madpilotfor epiph?06:48
Burgundaviathe black lines are going to be gone, they are merely guides06:48
Madpilotj06:48
Madpilotbleh... "let's hit random keys" :)06:48
BurgundaviaI use epiphany at work and on my laptop06:49
BurgundaviaI have started to really like the bookmarks06:49
Burgundaviaand search/address bar in one06:49
MadpilotI'll have to try it at some point - can it import Opera bookmark files?06:49
Burgundaviashould be able to06:50
Burgundaviait does bookmarks very differently though06:50
Burgundaviait is not folders, they are tags06:50
Burgundaviaand you can search them simply by typing in the address bar06:50
Madpilotcool...06:50
Burgundaviaeither by tag name or bookmark name06:50
MadpilotOpera does inline search inside the bookmark panel already - Epiph has just eliminated the bookmark panel, I guess06:51
Burgundaviayes06:51
Burgundaviaff can do something similar to O in a sidebar06:51
Madpilotmeh... it still has seperate Reload & Stop buttons - I've always liked how O just used one button for both roles06:54
BurgundaviaI hated that06:54
Burgundaviawell, I just dropped #ubuntu06:55
Madpilotyou never have to use both functions at once, that I've found - why not have them on the same button?06:55
BurgundaviaI found I used to use both06:55
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Burgundaviarobitaille, try it on your work machine or your laptop06:56
robitaillemy work machine is Mandrake 10.1 :)06:57
robitailleI'll give it a try on my laptop06:57
robitailleBut tonight the experiment on the laptop is to install Kubuntu for the 1st time06:57
MadpilotEpiph has the same over-simplified font choices that FF suffers from - worse, even06:57
BurgundaviaMadpilot, same rendering engine06:57
Burgundaviabut I have found epip to be much lighter on ram/cpu06:58
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Burgundaviaespecially the latter06:58
Burgundavialess is more, but there are few things that would be nice06:58
MadpilotI'm currently running eight virtual desktops, all full. I can't be bothered to worry about one app's RAM/CPU usage ;)06:58
BurgundaviaI really notice FF's06:59
Burgundaviait is worse than pretty much everything else I run06:59
robitailleit reminds me of the arguments for using Phoenix instead of Mozilla few years back:  leaner, less ram, etc :)06:59
MadpilotOpera chucks up 100% CPU usage on oversized pages sometimes, but so does FF...06:59
Burgundavianever had epip do that, except for flash stuff06:59
Burgundaviarobitaille, I suspect that the overhead is the XUL stuff07:00
Madpilot... simplistic popup handling too - no "Allow only selected popups", just "Yes/No"...07:02
Burgundaviayes, another nasty bug07:02
Burgundaviain other random news, I am installing Vector Linux on a laptop for the Ben Isitt campaign tomorrow07:04
Madpilotwhat's Vector Linux, and why aren't they getting Ubuntu?07:05
Burgundaviathe laptop is a P10007:05
Burgundaviavector linux is designed for extremely lowend systems07:05
Madpilotouch... never mind :)07:05
Burgundaviacurrent has w95 on it07:05
robitailleto follow the theme of the day on ubuntu-ca, what is Ben's position on foss :)07:06
Burgundaviawell, they had BSD running in the office, amongst the windows machines07:08
Burgundaviait is all about spending less money on IT in general07:08
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robitailleI widh my office at the same position (spend less money on IT...)07:09
robitailles/widh/wish07:09
Burgundaviawhile on the plane I read a report from becta about english schools saving money on foss07:10
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Burgundaviawelcome back Madpilot 07:11
Burgundaviafunny how we are with 5 clicks of each other, but end up on different servers07:11
MadpilotI didn't go anywhere, you did07:11
Madpilotoddities abound07:11
Burgundaviafrom each person perspective, the other person quite07:11
Burgundavias/quite/quit07:12
Madpilotyeah, I know07:12
Madpilotso F5 doen't work for Force Reload in Epiph - does in FF, Opera & (I think) IE...07:12
Burgundaviarobitaille, Madpilot join #funnyatwork for a second07:12
Burgundaviarobitaille, you seen this? http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotubuntudvdcoversvgink.png07:22
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robitailleBurgundavia,  nice07:23
Burgundaviait is the beginning of a DVD cover07:24
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Burgundaviathis was a good talk at UBZ07:25
Burgundaviahttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/evaluate-ubuntu-guide07:25
Burgundaviawe talked about what we documented and how the system could improve to eliminate the docs07:25
Burgundaviawow, the vector linux iso is 390 megs07:28
highvoltagevector linux is nice (or it was at least the last time i tried it)07:29
highvoltageback then the iso was 210 MB :)07:29
highvoltageand the only desktop environment it had was xfce.07:29
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Burgundaviahighvoltage, you are shuttleworth foundation, no?07:30
Madpilotthe Breezy ISOs were actually slightly smaller than the Hoary ones...07:30
highvoltageBurgundavia: well, ne and a bunch of other people, yes :)07:31
Burgundaviahighvoltage, indeed07:31
highvoltages/ne/me07:31
Madpilotactually, I'm wrong... all the Breezy ISOs are slightly larger than their Hoary versions... nevermind...07:31
Burgundaviaand for dapper, there are no language packs left to boot...07:32
robitailleone of these days they will have to remove OOo to save space  on the CDs :)07:33
Burgundaviaindeed07:34
Burgundaviahad a good "discussion" with hub, the upstream of abiword about OpenDoc support07:35
Burgundaviahe doesn't see it as a big priority07:35
robitaillehe should; OpenDoc is very much in the news these days07:36
Madpilotsee also MS vs Mass...07:36
robitailleI always assumed if you can support OOo format, OpenDoc shouldn't be very far behind from a technical point of view07:36
Burgundaviahe and the rest of the abiword docs need to read an essay I read called "users don't care about your program, they care about their data"07:37
Madpilotdoes abiword use OOo1 formats?07:37
Burgundaviano07:37
Burgundaviaabiword and gnumeric use their own hacked up format07:37
robitailleI really want to do my next talk at work about MS vs Mass, as an example of the potential use of foss in a government setting07:37
Burgundaviawhich OO doesn't support07:37
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MadpilotBurgundavia: got a URL for that essay?07:38
Burgundavianope07:38
Burgundaviaah, here07:38
Burgundaviahttp://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/23/18221607:38
poningrucould have sworn abiword now supports open documents07:39
poningruerr the oasis thingie07:39
Burgundaviathe suppor tis very basic07:39
poningruah ic07:39
Burgundaviaand I doubt it will be default07:40
Burgundaviawhen the support is their, I am going to file a bug stating "OpenDoc format should be the default save format for abiword"07:40
Burgundaviaand watch hub explode07:40
Burgundavias/their/there07:40
highvoltageBurgundavia: cool :)07:40
Madpilotodt is great - a friend sent me an MS .doc that was about 350Kb, resaved as odt it was about 17Kb...07:40
highvoltagei'll back you on that.07:40
robitaillesounds like a bounty to bring Abiword within a year at the level of OOo Writer, and use it as the default for Ubuntu.07:41
Burgundaviayes07:41
robitaille(support for full OpenDoc)07:41
highvoltageBurgundavia: i saw you on a ubz video, you look much younger on video than on a previous photo i saw on the web :)07:41
Burgundaviahighvoltage, I am only 23!07:41
poningruonly?07:41
poningruthats old07:41
robitaillehighvoltage,  he is young!07:41
poningrugeezer07:42
poningru:)07:42
highvoltagewell, on the photo i saw, i think you looked like 35 or something... i'll track it down again some time.07:42
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poningruwont turn 22 till next september07:42
highvoltagei felt ancient when i turned 2107:42
highvoltagei think i'll feel better when i turn 24.07:42
Burgundaviahighvoltage, my hackergotchi?07:42
poningruyeah /me feels that right now07:42
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Burgundaviahighvoltage, top of planet.u.c right now07:44
highvoltageyes, i don't think you have a jackergotchi: https://launchpad.net/people/cburger07:44
highvoltageBurgundavia: yes, that's the one. you look older on planet :)07:44
highvoltage(and more canadian)07:45
BurgundaviaJaneW and marilize thought I was funnier and happier than my hackergotchi lead them to believe07:45
robitailleI wonder how a canadian looks like :)07:45
highvoltagerobitaille: on top of planet, currently :)07:45
Madpilotyour hackergotchi looks slightly psychotic, actually...07:45
Madpilot:)07:46
robitaillehighvoltage,  I live in the same town than Burgundavia :)07:46
highvoltagerobitaille: oh, look outside then ;)07:46
Burgundaviahighvoltage, in case you missed it, Madpilot is my older brother, and he, myself and robitaille all live in Victoria07:46
highvoltageah yes. my memory is already going!07:47
highvoltagewhen is your birthday?07:47
Burgundaviamine is Aug 18th07:47
robitaillebut some people think I don't sound canadian enough.    Must be the french canadian accent07:47
highvoltagethe only time we see canada on TV in south africa is when the americans make fun of them.07:48
highvoltageor when that fat guy with the glasses makes a film about guns.07:48
MadpilotMichael Moore?07:48
highvoltageyes, Michael Moore.07:48
Madpilothighvoltage: you're in RSA?07:49
highvoltageyep.07:49
Burgundaviamarilize said to me on monday or tuesday "burger, thats a common name in south africa"07:50
Madpilotcool. I was actually born in Cape Town; my father (and Burgundavia's) is from SA... small world...07:50
Burgundaviato which I replied "well, I am half-south african"07:50
highvoltagecool!07:50
Burgundaviahighvoltage, you speak/write afrikaans?07:50
highvoltageyep.07:51
highvoltageand translate on launchpad.07:51
highvoltageafrikaans is my first language.07:51
Burgundaviasomebody in #inkscape is looking for a dutch person, figured you might be able to muddle your way through07:51
Burgundaviaor not07:51
Burgundaviathey need a native speaker07:51
highvoltagecheck how i'm raking up those karma: https://launchpad.net/people/jonathan07:51
highvoltagedutch is a bit tough... let me try just for fun.07:52
robitaillefinally installed and tried Kubuntu for the first time ever.  It's so blue... 07:54
Burgundaviaso if FC407:54
highvoltagesee you guys later...07:55
Burgundaviahad my two seat mates on the plane looking at my laptop07:55
robitailleI used to like blue in my days of RHL/FC1.  But a year of brown tones has cured that it seems07:55
Burgundaviaas I was wearing my new Ubuntu t-shirt and my laptop now has an Ubuntu sticker on it07:55
Madpilotso did you do some U evangalism?07:56
Burgundaviano07:56
BurgundaviaI was feeling sick and had no U cds on me07:56
BurgundaviaI have to crash08:00
Burgundaviasee you all tomorrow night08:00
rob^bhuvan, pong08:00
rob^been at work all day08:01
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bhuvanrob^: ping10:18
bhuvanmdke: ping10:19
Madpilotbhuvan: you missed rob^, he left about an hour ago10:24
bhuvanyeah, i saw his PM :)10:24
Madpilotk10:24
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bhuvanrob^: ping :)10:39
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QriousHello people.02:24
QriousI'm hoping to contribute to Ubuntu somehow & thought helping out the docteam might be an idea. Is there anything I can help with?02:25
Qriouswell don't all jump at once.02:26
jdub:)02:27
jdubQrious: probably a bad time02:27
jdubQrious: i'd suggesdt joining the ailing list and introducing ourself02:27
jdubyourself02:27
Qriousk, guess I'll try that02:28
Qriousthanks man02:28
Qriouslater then02:31
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rob^?02:51
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bhuvanrob^: free ?02:57
rob^bhuvan, for the next 5 minutes02:58
bhuvanok02:58
rob^whats up?02:58
bhuvanjust a quick chat! can you let me know the status of generic/Makefile patch ?02:58
bhuvanlook into it when you get some time, fine02:59
rob^to the best of my knowledge it hasn't been applied02:59
bhuvanyeah03:00
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rob^there wasn't an entry for the server guide in /ubuntu ?03:00
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rob^hi jsgotangco 03:00
bhuvanit's in generic/serverguide03:00
jsgotangcoheya03:01
jjessemorinng team :)03:01
rob^morn jjesse 03:01
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jsgotangcohello03:03
rob^hmm bhuvan that patch failed for the makefile..03:09
bhuvan?03:09
rob^patching file Makefile03:09
rob^Hunk #1 succeeded at 35 (offset 2 lines).03:09
rob^Hunk #2 FAILED at 73.03:09
rob^1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file Makefile.rej03:09
bhuvancan you try 'patch -p0 < Makefile.diff' from generic/serverguide/C dir ?03:10
bhuvani also suggest you do 'svn update' before applying this patch..03:11
bhuvanreason being, mdke have made couple of changes in that Makefile just before i prepared this patch03:12
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rob^done the makefile03:12
bhuvanrob^, ok03:12
rob^bhuvan, all three have been done now03:14
bhuvanrob^, wonderful, thankx03:14
rob^np03:14
mgalvinhey rob^03:24
rob^hi mgalvin 03:24
mgalvinwe will certainly be as open as possible and keep you guys in the loop03:24
rob^nice, thanks :)03:24
rob^I'm sure you will mgalvin, I just have been chasing up specs a bit on there lately is all03:25
mgalvinshould be nice to be able to have docs that say, hey you need a web server, start with this, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-instant-web-server to act as a base03:26
rob^yeah I agree03:26
jjessecongrats rob^  on membership :)03:41
rob^thanks jjesse 03:42
jjesseper sabdfl question on the meeting, what is holding up docs being translated thru rossetta?03:42
Belutzrob^, congrats :-)03:42
rob^jjesse, nothing now03:43
jjessebut there was something?03:43
rob^just lack of people translating I think03:43
rob^well I made a couple of changes to the Desktop Guide that will help lift the burden of translating a bit03:44
rob^for dapper anyway03:44
rob^I sent an email to the list a few hours ago about it03:44
rob^anyway, time for bed03:44
rob^night03:44
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Burgundaviaugh, I forgot to reset my alarm clock for daylight savings time03:50
jsgotangcohehe03:51
jsgotangcoanyone favor adding bhuvan to ubuntu-doc lp team?03:51
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jsgotangcoand request svn access to elmo?03:51
Burgundaviasounds good to me03:51
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rob^jsgotangco, +103:52
jsgotangcook Option C now practiced in ubuntu-doc :D03:53
jsgotangcomdke?03:55
jsgotangcomdke_: ?03:55
jsgotangcojjesse: ?03:55
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bhuvanjsgotangco: can we post details of CCM to our mailing list, fix up some time to propose leaderships ?04:15
jsgotangcoleaderships?04:15
bhuvanyeah, as per ccm, we must propose 3 leaders on behalf of our team ?04:16
bhuvanwho can nominate ubuntu members to cc in future ?04:16
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jjessehmm there isn't a kubuntu-docs package in rosetta (that I can find) anyone know how to add it?04:34
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Burgundaviawhiprush, push to the fridges new feed http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47135/index.html04:38
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jsgotangcoBelutz: !!!!!!04:50
Belutzjsgotangco, !!!!!! :-)04:51
highvoltageBelutz: congrats. i'm up soon. wish me lick!04:51
highvoltages/lick/luck04:51
Belutzgood luck highvoltage 04:51
jsgotangcohighvoltage: -1 for jacking up on lp karma04:51
jsgotangcohehehe04:51
Belutzlol04:51
highvoltage:(04:52
jsgotangcomuhahahha04:53
Belutzwew... i'm so excited04:53
jsgotangcoBelutz: nice one i hope to go back to jakarta someday04:54
jsgotangcoand meet up with you04:54
Belutzyou're very welcome :-)04:55
Belutzi would like to see edubuntu to be suitable for elementary schools in here04:55
Belutzgot to do a lot of translating04:55
jsgotangcoyeah bring on the karma machine04:56
Belutzyup04:56
Belutzmay the good karma in lp will give me good karma in life.... lol04:57
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judaxgreetings07:10
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jjessehiya judax 07:59
mdkeevenin08:18
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mdkejjesse, the absence of the revision history can't be a licence violation, as far as I can see, I agree with you that removal of it is a good idea08:29
jjessemdke:  the docs at least for kubuntu just look cleaner08:30
mdkejjesse, yeah we should definitely do that for all the docs IMHO08:31
mdkeanyway I've been skimreading the licences08:31
mdkei don't see that there can be any problem08:31
jjesseas the lawyer you would understand it better :P08:31
mdkein theory ;)08:31
jjesseproposed cd cover for kubuntu: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/cd-sleeve-1.png08:34
mdkenice08:36
mdkewhy the person?08:36
jjessedon't remember exactly, riddell's been using the person in other things08:36
jjessehttp://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php08:37
mdkecool08:38
mdkei ought to try kde soon08:38
mdkeI installed dapper yesterday, and the only thing installable was xubuntu, so i went with that08:38
jjessedidn't even know there was a build of dapper already08:38
mdkeno there isn't a cd build08:38
mdkei dist-upgraded08:39
jjesseah08:39
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nickrudany wikiteam people around?10:45
mdkenickrud, what's up10:47
nickrudI was hoping for someone to review some changes to RestrictedFormats10:47
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mdkenickrud, are the changes drastic?10:47
nickrudhttp://pinutos.dyndns.org/MyWiki/RestrictedFormats10:48
nickrudreorganize, do some realplayer and legal disclaimers10:48
mdkeyou posted already to the ML didn't you?10:49
nickrudno, I was starting here :)10:49
mdkenickrud, strange we had a similar mail to the list recently about that page10:49
mdkeeither that or i dreamed it10:51
nickrudI see something from september, but that wasn't me10:51
mdkenickrud, post to the list, i can't have a look now but I will, or someone else will10:52
nickrudok, thanks10:52
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