[01:29] <judax> quiet in here tonight
[01:33] <judax> you installed dapper?
[01:33] <mdke> sort of
[01:33] <judax> you are a brave and adventurous man
[01:34] <mdke> bored
[01:35] <mdke> it will enable me to learn a bit of dpkg tho
[01:36] <judax> yes, being bored can lead to some fun
[01:36] <mdke> :)
[01:56] <mdke> judax, sorry, diconnected, did you say how you were?
[02:07] <Kinnison> ciao
[03:35] <Burgundavia> bon soir all
[03:35] <Burgundavia> grr, sorry for the spam
[03:35] <mgalvin> hi Burgundavia
[03:54] <Burgundavia> is there an ubuntu marketing channel
[03:54] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, ping
[03:54] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  not that I know.
[03:55] <Burgundavia> grr
[03:55] <Burgundavia> had a good chat with Malcolm, the canonical marketing guy
[03:55] <Burgundavia> at ubz, that is
[03:56] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  the ubuntuforum group do their weekly meeting on #spreadmeeting  ...
[03:57] <Burgundavia> grr
[03:57] <Burgundavia> we have official channels for meeting
[03:57] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  do you know why my name is in  ExampleContent in the example video section?
[03:57] <Burgundavia> cause you have good ogg vides
[03:57] <Burgundavia> videos
[03:57] <Burgundavia> of the family, lik
[03:58] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  I told them to do them on ubuntu-meeting, but they turned me down   http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10
[03:58] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  oh that's why.  I was surprised to see my name in there :)
[04:00] <Burgundavia> as long as you don't mind
[04:03] <robitaille> nah; I'll figure out with jdub something to do.     it's a interesting  spec.  A lot of cool little things in there to do.
[04:05] <Burgundavia> I need to find our create some "this is an ms office doc that you can open in openoffice"
[04:24] <Burgundavia> how big is the insert in a dvd case?
[04:24] <Burgundavia> the paper cover thingy
[04:52] <Burgundavia> never mind
[05:25] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: pong
[06:21] <bhuvan> rob^: ping
[06:40] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I was thinking about getting Ubuntu CDs into the GVPL catalogue
[06:40] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, any idea how easy that is?
[06:40] <Madpilot> you mean circulating copies of the LiveCDs or something?
[06:41] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:41] <Burgundavia> in a dvd case
[06:41] <Madpilot> cool idea - we do have a CDROM collection, remember
[06:41] <Burgundavia> it was an idea that nelson of the osi raised
[06:42] <Burgundavia> at UBZ
[06:42] <Madpilot> cool
[06:42] <Burgundavia> so I figured I could trial at GVPL before seeing if I could get a whole lot of libraries across Canada to do it
[06:43] <Madpilot> I'm not actually sure who's in charge of the CDROM collection at Central; at the branches it's the Branch Heads, of course
[06:43] <Burgundavia> the reason I thought DVD case was then we could put a little book inside as well
[06:43] <Burgundavia> about Ubuntu Canada and where to get extra help
[06:44] <Madpilot> have you seen the handout PDF I've been working on?
[06:44] <Burgundavia> the one with the huge block of text?
[06:45] <Madpilot> yeah
[06:45] <Madpilot> english one side, french other
[06:45] <Burgundavia> nice idea, but implementation, imho
[06:45] <Madpilot> it is a big block of text, isn't it?
[06:45] <Madpilot> it's a straight copy of the ubuntu.ca wiki's text
[06:45] <Burgundavia> ouch
[06:46] <Madpilot> http://ubuntu.ca/wiki/index.php/CD_Insert
[06:46] <Burgundavia> I have most of a DVD cover already done
[06:46] <Burgundavia> just needs to back cover text and the side text
[06:46] <Madpilot> email me a pic?
[06:47] <Burgundavia> http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotubuntudvdcoversvgink.png
[06:48] <Madpilot> looks good - make the black lines much skinnier
[06:48] <Burgundavia> in random other news, I am strongly considering dropping firefox as my browser entirely
[06:48] <Madpilot> for epiph?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> the black lines are going to be gone, they are merely guides
[06:48] <Madpilot> j
[06:48] <Madpilot> bleh... "let's hit random keys" :)
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I use epiphany at work and on my laptop
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I have started to really like the bookmarks
[06:49] <Burgundavia> and search/address bar in one
[06:49] <Madpilot> I'll have to try it at some point - can it import Opera bookmark files?
[06:50] <Burgundavia> should be able to
[06:50] <Burgundavia> it does bookmarks very differently though
[06:50] <Burgundavia> it is not folders, they are tags
[06:50] <Burgundavia> and you can search them simply by typing in the address bar
[06:50] <Madpilot> cool...
[06:50] <Burgundavia> either by tag name or bookmark name
[06:51] <Madpilot> Opera does inline search inside the bookmark panel already - Epiph has just eliminated the bookmark panel, I guess
[06:51] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:51] <Burgundavia> ff can do something similar to O in a sidebar
[06:54] <Madpilot> meh... it still has seperate Reload & Stop buttons - I've always liked how O just used one button for both roles
[06:54] <Burgundavia> I hated that
[06:55] <Burgundavia> well, I just dropped #ubuntu
[06:55] <Madpilot> you never have to use both functions at once, that I've found - why not have them on the same button?
[06:55] <Burgundavia> I found I used to use both
[06:56] <Burgundavia> robitaille, try it on your work machine or your laptop
[06:57] <robitaille> my work machine is Mandrake 10.1 :)
[06:57] <robitaille> I'll give it a try on my laptop
[06:57] <robitaille> But tonight the experiment on the laptop is to install Kubuntu for the 1st time
[06:57] <Madpilot> Epiph has the same over-simplified font choices that FF suffers from - worse, even
[06:57] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, same rendering engine
[06:58] <Burgundavia> but I have found epip to be much lighter on ram/cpu
[06:58] <Burgundavia> especially the latter
[06:58] <Burgundavia> less is more, but there are few things that would be nice
[06:58] <Madpilot> I'm currently running eight virtual desktops, all full. I can't be bothered to worry about one app's RAM/CPU usage ;)
[06:59] <Burgundavia> I really notice FF's
[06:59] <Burgundavia> it is worse than pretty much everything else I run
[06:59] <robitaille> it reminds me of the arguments for using Phoenix instead of Mozilla few years back:  leaner, less ram, etc :)
[06:59] <Madpilot> Opera chucks up 100% CPU usage on oversized pages sometimes, but so does FF...
[06:59] <Burgundavia> never had epip do that, except for flash stuff
[07:00] <Burgundavia> robitaille, I suspect that the overhead is the XUL stuff
[07:02] <Madpilot> ... simplistic popup handling too - no "Allow only selected popups", just "Yes/No"...
[07:02] <Burgundavia> yes, another nasty bug
[07:04] <Burgundavia> in other random news, I am installing Vector Linux on a laptop for the Ben Isitt campaign tomorrow
[07:05] <Madpilot> what's Vector Linux, and why aren't they getting Ubuntu?
[07:05] <Burgundavia> the laptop is a P100
[07:05] <Burgundavia> vector linux is designed for extremely lowend systems
[07:05] <Madpilot> ouch... never mind :)
[07:05] <Burgundavia> current has w95 on it
[07:06] <robitaille> to follow the theme of the day on ubuntu-ca, what is Ben's position on foss :)
[07:08] <Burgundavia> well, they had BSD running in the office, amongst the windows machines
[07:08] <Burgundavia> it is all about spending less money on IT in general
[07:09] <robitaille> I widh my office at the same position (spend less money on IT...)
[07:09] <robitaille> s/widh/wish
[07:10] <Burgundavia> while on the plane I read a report from becta about english schools saving money on foss
[07:11] <Burgundavia> welcome back Madpilot 
[07:11] <Burgundavia> funny how we are with 5 clicks of each other, but end up on different servers
[07:11] <Madpilot> I didn't go anywhere, you did
[07:11] <Madpilot> oddities abound
[07:11] <Burgundavia> from each person perspective, the other person quite
[07:12] <Burgundavia> s/quite/quit
[07:12] <Madpilot> yeah, I know
[07:12] <Madpilot> so F5 doen't work for Force Reload in Epiph - does in FF, Opera & (I think) IE...
[07:12] <Burgundavia> robitaille, Madpilot join #funnyatwork for a second
[07:22] <Burgundavia> robitaille, you seen this? http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotubuntudvdcoversvgink.png
[07:23] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  nice
[07:24] <Burgundavia> it is the beginning of a DVD cover
[07:25] <Burgundavia> this was a good talk at UBZ
[07:25] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/evaluate-ubuntu-guide
[07:25] <Burgundavia> we talked about what we documented and how the system could improve to eliminate the docs
[07:28] <Burgundavia> wow, the vector linux iso is 390 megs
[07:29] <highvoltage> vector linux is nice (or it was at least the last time i tried it)
[07:29] <highvoltage> back then the iso was 210 MB :)
[07:29] <highvoltage> and the only desktop environment it had was xfce.
[07:30] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you are shuttleworth foundation, no?
[07:30] <Madpilot> the Breezy ISOs were actually slightly smaller than the Hoary ones...
[07:31] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: well, ne and a bunch of other people, yes :)
[07:31] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, indeed
[07:31] <highvoltage> s/ne/me
[07:31] <Madpilot> actually, I'm wrong... all the Breezy ISOs are slightly larger than their Hoary versions... nevermind...
[07:32] <Burgundavia> and for dapper, there are no language packs left to boot...
[07:33] <robitaille> one of these days they will have to remove OOo to save space  on the CDs :)
[07:34] <Burgundavia> indeed
[07:35] <Burgundavia> had a good "discussion" with hub, the upstream of abiword about OpenDoc support
[07:35] <Burgundavia> he doesn't see it as a big priority
[07:36] <robitaille> he should; OpenDoc is very much in the news these days
[07:36] <Madpilot> see also MS vs Mass...
[07:36] <robitaille> I always assumed if you can support OOo format, OpenDoc shouldn't be very far behind from a technical point of view
[07:37] <Burgundavia> he and the rest of the abiword docs need to read an essay I read called "users don't care about your program, they care about their data"
[07:37] <Madpilot> does abiword use OOo1 formats?
[07:37] <Burgundavia> no
[07:37] <Burgundavia> abiword and gnumeric use their own hacked up format
[07:37] <robitaille> I really want to do my next talk at work about MS vs Mass, as an example of the potential use of foss in a government setting
[07:37] <Burgundavia> which OO doesn't support
[07:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: got a URL for that essay?
[07:38] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:38] <Burgundavia> ah, here
[07:38] <Burgundavia> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/23/182216
[07:39] <poningru> could have sworn abiword now supports open documents
[07:39] <poningru> err the oasis thingie
[07:39] <Burgundavia> the suppor tis very basic
[07:39] <poningru> ah ic
[07:40] <Burgundavia> and I doubt it will be default
[07:40] <Burgundavia> when the support is their, I am going to file a bug stating "OpenDoc format should be the default save format for abiword"
[07:40] <Burgundavia> and watch hub explode
[07:40] <Burgundavia> s/their/there
[07:40] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: cool :)
[07:40] <Madpilot> odt is great - a friend sent me an MS .doc that was about 350Kb, resaved as odt it was about 17Kb...
[07:40] <highvoltage> i'll back you on that.
[07:41] <robitaille> sounds like a bounty to bring Abiword within a year at the level of OOo Writer, and use it as the default for Ubuntu.
[07:41] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:41] <robitaille> (support for full OpenDoc)
[07:41] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i saw you on a ubz video, you look much younger on video than on a previous photo i saw on the web :)
[07:41] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, I am only 23!
[07:41] <poningru> only?
[07:41] <poningru> thats old
[07:41] <robitaille> highvoltage,  he is young!
[07:42] <poningru> geezer
[07:42] <poningru> :)
[07:42] <highvoltage> well, on the photo i saw, i think you looked like 35 or something... i'll track it down again some time.
[07:42] <poningru> wont turn 22 till next september
[07:42] <highvoltage> i felt ancient when i turned 21
[07:42] <highvoltage> i think i'll feel better when i turn 24.
[07:42] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, my hackergotchi?
[07:42] <poningru> yeah /me feels that right now
[07:44] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, top of planet.u.c right now
[07:44] <highvoltage> yes, i don't think you have a jackergotchi: https://launchpad.net/people/cburger
[07:44] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yes, that's the one. you look older on planet :)
[07:45] <highvoltage> (and more canadian)
[07:45] <Burgundavia> JaneW and marilize thought I was funnier and happier than my hackergotchi lead them to believe
[07:45] <robitaille> I wonder how a canadian looks like :)
[07:45] <highvoltage> robitaille: on top of planet, currently :)
[07:45] <Madpilot> your hackergotchi looks slightly psychotic, actually...
[07:46] <Madpilot> :)
[07:46] <robitaille> highvoltage,  I live in the same town than Burgundavia :)
[07:46] <highvoltage> robitaille: oh, look outside then ;)
[07:46] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, in case you missed it, Madpilot is my older brother, and he, myself and robitaille all live in Victoria
[07:47] <highvoltage> ah yes. my memory is already going!
[07:47] <highvoltage> when is your birthday?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> mine is Aug 18th
[07:47] <robitaille> but some people think I don't sound canadian enough.    Must be the french canadian accent
[07:48] <highvoltage> the only time we see canada on TV in south africa is when the americans make fun of them.
[07:48] <highvoltage> or when that fat guy with the glasses makes a film about guns.
[07:48] <Madpilot> Michael Moore?
[07:48] <highvoltage> yes, Michael Moore.
[07:49] <Madpilot> highvoltage: you're in RSA?
[07:49] <highvoltage> yep.
[07:50] <Burgundavia> marilize said to me on monday or tuesday "burger, thats a common name in south africa"
[07:50] <Madpilot> cool. I was actually born in Cape Town; my father (and Burgundavia's) is from SA... small world...
[07:50] <Burgundavia> to which I replied "well, I am half-south african"
[07:50] <highvoltage> cool!
[07:50] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you speak/write afrikaans?
[07:51] <highvoltage> yep.
[07:51] <highvoltage> and translate on launchpad.
[07:51] <highvoltage> afrikaans is my first language.
[07:51] <Burgundavia> somebody in #inkscape is looking for a dutch person, figured you might be able to muddle your way through
[07:51] <Burgundavia> or not
[07:51] <Burgundavia> they need a native speaker
[07:51] <highvoltage> check how i'm raking up those karma: https://launchpad.net/people/jonathan
[07:52] <highvoltage> dutch is a bit tough... let me try just for fun.
[07:54] <robitaille> finally installed and tried Kubuntu for the first time ever.  It's so blue... 
[07:54] <Burgundavia> so if FC4
[07:55] <highvoltage> see you guys later...
[07:55] <Burgundavia> had my two seat mates on the plane looking at my laptop
[07:55] <robitaille> I used to like blue in my days of RHL/FC1.  But a year of brown tones has cured that it seems
[07:55] <Burgundavia> as I was wearing my new Ubuntu t-shirt and my laptop now has an Ubuntu sticker on it
[07:56] <Madpilot> so did you do some U evangalism?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> no
[07:56] <Burgundavia> I was feeling sick and had no U cds on me
[08:00] <Burgundavia> I have to crash
[08:00] <Burgundavia> see you all tomorrow night
[08:00] <rob^> bhuvan, pong
[08:01] <rob^> been at work all day
[10:18] <bhuvan> rob^: ping
[10:19] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[10:24] <Madpilot> bhuvan: you missed rob^, he left about an hour ago
[10:24] <bhuvan> yeah, i saw his PM :)
[10:24] <Madpilot> k
[10:39] <bhuvan> rob^: ping :)
[02:24] <Qrious> Hello people.
[02:25] <Qrious> I'm hoping to contribute to Ubuntu somehow & thought helping out the docteam might be an idea. Is there anything I can help with?
[02:26] <Qrious> well don't all jump at once.
[02:27] <jdub> :)
[02:27] <jdub> Qrious: probably a bad time
[02:27] <jdub> Qrious: i'd suggesdt joining the ailing list and introducing ourself
[02:27] <jdub> yourself
[02:28] <Qrious> k, guess I'll try that
[02:28] <Qrious> thanks man
[02:31] <Qrious> later then
[02:51] <rob^> ?
[02:57] <bhuvan> rob^: free ?
[02:58] <rob^> bhuvan, for the next 5 minutes
[02:58] <bhuvan> ok
[02:58] <rob^> whats up?
[02:58] <bhuvan> just a quick chat! can you let me know the status of generic/Makefile patch ?
[02:59] <bhuvan> look into it when you get some time, fine
[02:59] <rob^> to the best of my knowledge it hasn't been applied
[03:00] <bhuvan> yeah
[03:00] <rob^> there wasn't an entry for the server guide in /ubuntu ?
[03:00] <rob^> hi jsgotangco 
[03:00] <bhuvan> it's in generic/serverguide
[03:01] <jsgotangco> heya
[03:01] <jjesse> morinng team :)
[03:01] <rob^> morn jjesse 
[03:03] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:09] <rob^> hmm bhuvan that patch failed for the makefile..
[03:09] <bhuvan> ?
[03:09] <rob^> patching file Makefile
[03:09] <rob^> Hunk #1 succeeded at 35 (offset 2 lines).
[03:09] <rob^> Hunk #2 FAILED at 73.
[03:09] <rob^> 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file Makefile.rej
[03:10] <bhuvan> can you try 'patch -p0 < Makefile.diff' from generic/serverguide/C dir ?
[03:11] <bhuvan> i also suggest you do 'svn update' before applying this patch..
[03:12] <bhuvan> reason being, mdke have made couple of changes in that Makefile just before i prepared this patch
[03:12] <rob^> done the makefile
[03:12] <bhuvan> rob^, ok
[03:14] <rob^> bhuvan, all three have been done now
[03:14] <bhuvan> rob^, wonderful, thankx
[03:14] <rob^> np
[03:24] <mgalvin> hey rob^
[03:24] <rob^> hi mgalvin 
[03:24] <mgalvin> we will certainly be as open as possible and keep you guys in the loop
[03:24] <rob^> nice, thanks :)
[03:25] <rob^> I'm sure you will mgalvin, I just have been chasing up specs a bit on there lately is all
[03:26] <mgalvin> should be nice to be able to have docs that say, hey you need a web server, start with this, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-instant-web-server to act as a base
[03:26] <rob^> yeah I agree
[03:41] <jjesse> congrats rob^  on membership :)
[03:42] <rob^> thanks jjesse 
[03:42] <jjesse> per sabdfl question on the meeting, what is holding up docs being translated thru rossetta?
[03:42] <Belutz> rob^, congrats :-)
[03:43] <rob^> jjesse, nothing now
[03:43] <jjesse> but there was something?
[03:43] <rob^> just lack of people translating I think
[03:44] <rob^> well I made a couple of changes to the Desktop Guide that will help lift the burden of translating a bit
[03:44] <rob^> for dapper anyway
[03:44] <rob^> I sent an email to the list a few hours ago about it
[03:44] <rob^> anyway, time for bed
[03:44] <rob^> night
[03:50] <Burgundavia> ugh, I forgot to reset my alarm clock for daylight savings time
[03:51] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:51] <jsgotangco> anyone favor adding bhuvan to ubuntu-doc lp team?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> and request svn access to elmo?
[03:51] <Burgundavia> sounds good to me
[03:52] <rob^> jsgotangco, +1
[03:53] <jsgotangco> ok Option C now practiced in ubuntu-doc :D
[03:55] <jsgotangco> mdke?
[03:55] <jsgotangco> mdke_: ?
[03:55] <jsgotangco> jjesse: ?
[04:15] <bhuvan> jsgotangco: can we post details of CCM to our mailing list, fix up some time to propose leaderships ?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> leaderships?
[04:16] <bhuvan> yeah, as per ccm, we must propose 3 leaders on behalf of our team ?
[04:16] <bhuvan> who can nominate ubuntu members to cc in future ?
[04:34] <jjesse> hmm there isn't a kubuntu-docs package in rosetta (that I can find) anyone know how to add it?
[04:38] <Burgundavia> whiprush, push to the fridges new feed http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47135/index.html
[04:50] <jsgotangco> Belutz: !!!!!!
[04:51] <Belutz> jsgotangco, !!!!!! :-)
[04:51] <highvoltage> Belutz: congrats. i'm up soon. wish me lick!
[04:51] <highvoltage> s/lick/luck
[04:51] <Belutz> good luck highvoltage 
[04:51] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: -1 for jacking up on lp karma
[04:51] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[04:51] <Belutz> lol
[04:52] <highvoltage> :(
[04:53] <jsgotangco> muhahahha
[04:53] <Belutz> wew... i'm so excited
[04:54] <jsgotangco> Belutz: nice one i hope to go back to jakarta someday
[04:54] <jsgotangco> and meet up with you
[04:55] <Belutz> you're very welcome :-)
[04:55] <Belutz> i would like to see edubuntu to be suitable for elementary schools in here
[04:55] <Belutz> got to do a lot of translating
[04:56] <jsgotangco> yeah bring on the karma machine
[04:56] <Belutz> yup
[04:57] <Belutz> may the good karma in lp will give me good karma in life.... lol
[07:10] <judax> greetings
[07:59] <jjesse> hiya judax 
[08:18] <mdke> evenin
[08:29] <mdke> jjesse, the absence of the revision history can't be a licence violation, as far as I can see, I agree with you that removal of it is a good idea
[08:30] <jjesse> mdke:  the docs at least for kubuntu just look cleaner
[08:31] <mdke> jjesse, yeah we should definitely do that for all the docs IMHO
[08:31] <mdke> anyway I've been skimreading the licences
[08:31] <mdke> i don't see that there can be any problem
[08:31] <jjesse> as the lawyer you would understand it better :P
[08:31] <mdke> in theory ;)
[08:34] <jjesse> proposed cd cover for kubuntu: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/cd-sleeve-1.png
[08:36] <mdke> nice
[08:36] <mdke> why the person?
[08:36] <jjesse> don't remember exactly, riddell's been using the person in other things
[08:37] <jjesse> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[08:38] <mdke> cool
[08:38] <mdke> i ought to try kde soon
[08:38] <mdke> I installed dapper yesterday, and the only thing installable was xubuntu, so i went with that
[08:38] <jjesse> didn't even know there was a build of dapper already
[08:38] <mdke> no there isn't a cd build
[08:39] <mdke> i dist-upgraded
[08:39] <jjesse> ah
[10:45] <nickrud> any wikiteam people around?
[10:47] <mdke> nickrud, what's up
[10:47] <nickrud> I was hoping for someone to review some changes to RestrictedFormats
[10:47] <mdke> nickrud, are the changes drastic?
[10:48] <nickrud> http://pinutos.dyndns.org/MyWiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:48] <nickrud> reorganize, do some realplayer and legal disclaimers
[10:49] <mdke> you posted already to the ML didn't you?
[10:49] <nickrud> no, I was starting here :)
[10:49] <mdke> nickrud, strange we had a similar mail to the list recently about that page
[10:51] <mdke> either that or i dreamed it
[10:51] <nickrud> I see something from september, but that wasn't me
[10:52] <mdke> nickrud, post to the list, i can't have a look now but I will, or someone else will
[10:52] <nickrud> ok, thanks