[12:29] <bhuvan> just to double check, CCM is at 14:00utc ( 2:30hrs to go ) ?
[01:05] <Seveas> bhuvan, 1:55 to go now :)
[01:06] <bhuvan> ok, thankx
[02:34] <jjesse> ooo i'm early for the meeting, this has to be a first
[02:50] <zakame> wb Seveas :)
[02:51] <zakame> wb otep 
[02:51] <highvoltage> only 9 more minutes to meeting!
[02:51] <otep> yo zak =D
[02:51] <rob^> I'm here
[02:51] <zakame> hi ealden 
[02:51] <otep> yo ealden 
[02:51] <ealden> hi zakame, otep 
[02:52] <rob^> ooo my head hurts
[02:52] <zakame> rob^: how come?
[02:53] <rob^> its midnight here and I just woke up for the meeting
[02:53] <zakame> oh
[02:58] <rbelem> MarioMeyer_, GnuKemist 
[02:58] <GnuKemist> rbelem, yup
[02:58] <MarioMeyer_> yup
[02:59] <rbelem> ;-)
[02:59] <GnuKemist> rbelem, present
[02:59] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[02:59] <MarioMeyer_> here, boss
[02:59] <rbelem> eheheeh
[03:00] <GnuKemist> I think I need more cafeine
[03:00] <rob^> GnuKemist, I hear you
[03:00] <jjesse> more caffeine is always good
[03:00] <GnuKemist> rob^, I heard... just woke up, huh?
[03:01] <rob^> yup
[03:01] <GnuKemist> ;)
[03:01] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:01] <zakame> wb jsgotangco 
[03:01] <GnuKemist> hi
[03:01] <rbelem> there isno more cafeine here :'(
[03:01] <Seveas> bad news
[03:01] <Seveas> make isn't around
[03:01] <Seveas> the others have a massive idle time
[03:01] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[03:01] <Seveas> s/make/sabdfl/*
[03:02] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:02] <zakame> ooh
[03:02] <jsgotangco> that's bad news indeed
[03:02] <GnuKemist> rob^, hehehe
[03:02] <Kamion> ok, we're just turning up here at UBZ
[03:02] <fabbione> morning guys
[03:02] <zakame> hello Kamion 
[03:02] <Kamion> sabdfl just walked in, so give us a few minutes
[03:02] <rob^> :)
[03:02] <Seveas> ah nice
[03:02] <zakame> yay!
[03:03] <jsgotangco> understandable, its probably only 8am perhaps
[03:03] <Seveas> mornin' Kamion 
[03:03] <Belutz> hi all
[03:03] <Kamion> 9am here
[03:03] <Belutz> am i late?
[03:03] <zakame> hi Belutz 
[03:03] <GnuKemist> 9am here too
[03:03] <Seveas> Belutz, no, the meeting has not started yet
[03:03] <siretart> Kamion: no keynote today at ubz? ;)
[03:03] <GnuKemist> am late for work
[03:03] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[03:03] <Belutz> 9pm in here 
[03:03] <siretart> hey folks
[03:03] <highvoltage> 16:00 here, fwiw
[03:03] <Belutz> Seveas, i'm still in the agenda?
[03:04] <GnuKemist> highvoltage, not bad... almost quitting time for you
[03:04] <rbelem> hi siretart ;-)
[03:04] <siretart> hi rbelem 
[03:04] <jjesse> 9am here, hanging out at work :)
[03:04] <GnuKemist> jjesse, work blocks EVERY port, so had to stay home
[03:04] <GnuKemist> ;)
[03:04] <GnuKemist> will be going to work later
[03:04] <highvoltage> GnuKemist: yep :)
[03:05] <jjesse> GnuKemist: in charge of work firewall :)
[03:05] <GnuKemist> highvoltage, I still have the entire day to go through  =P
[03:05] <GnuKemist> jjesse, niiiice
[03:05] <rob^> heh
[03:05] <Kamion> siretart: not today, no
[03:05] <Seveas> jjesse, i missed the last meeting, were you approved?
[03:05] <jjesse> Seveas: the last meeting i was at was the special one
[03:05] <highvoltage> GnuKemist: going to LUG meeting after this, and those last a long time. so my day isn't quite over ;)
[03:06] <jjesse> they talked about me at the very end and i was waiting on Kamion to process it
[03:06] <jjesse> Seveas: i was approved but was pending Kamion 
[03:06] <GnuKemist> highvoltage, no what you mean...  I used to organize the local LUG as well... wayyyy after hours
[03:06] <rob^> Seveas, am I still ok to go first? 
[03:06] <Seveas> rob^, I'll try and push that :)
[03:06] <GnuKemist> zakame, sure... rub it in, won't ya?  hehehe
[03:06] <jsgotangco> no let's push rob^ till 16UTC! hehe 
[03:07] <jsgotangco> *joke*
[03:07] <rob^> grr
[03:07] <zakame> GnuKemist: indeed :)
[03:07] <rob^> :)
[03:07] <zakame> jsgotangco: buwahahaha
[03:07] <GnuKemist> hehe
[03:07] <Kamion> jjesse: oh, right, let me sort that out nowish
[03:07] <Belutz> hi jsgotangco :-)
[03:07] <zakame> Belutz: are you the guy from .in ?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> Belutz: salam :)
[03:08] <Belutz> zakame, i'm from .id
[03:08] <Belutz> jsgotangco, salam :)
[03:08] <highvoltage> anyone else having trouble accessing the wiki?
[03:08] <zakame> Belutz: ah, yeah, my mistake :)
[03:08] <Belutz> zakame, :-)
[03:09] <Belutz> jsgotangco, how's your daugther?
[03:09] <zakame> highvoltage: 'tis ok from here in .ph...
[03:09] <jjesse> thanks Kamion, do you need anything from me?
[03:09] <bhuvan> zame, i'm from .in!
[03:09] <GnuKemist> highvoltage, a.o.k. here too
[03:09] <zakame> bhuvan: yeah, I got mixed up :)
[03:09] <bhuvan> ok
[03:10] <zakame> wb hub 
[03:10] <hub> hi
[03:10] <Seveas> hi Hubert
[03:11] <zakame> hmm 'tis 14:11
[03:11] <Seveas> The Montreal folks are waking up :)
[03:12] <jsgotangco> zakame: its ok we can wait a few more hours
[03:12] <GnuKemist> !!!!
[03:12] <highvoltage> zakame, GnuKemist: ok, thanks, strangely it works from the edubuntu wiki.
[03:12] <GnuKemist> hehehe...  my boss will kick my ass
[03:12] <Seveas> jsgotangco, no we cannot but some minutes is ok :)
[03:12] <hub> Seveas: yah. I'm late, I apologize
[03:12] <hub> I slept over
[03:12] <zakame> jsgotangco: yeah, let's just rack up more karma at LP translating to tl :)
[03:12] <Seveas> hub, you're early, the CC isn't here yet :)
[03:12] <GnuKemist> highvoltage, np  =)
[03:12] <hub> ah ok
[03:12] <jsgotangco> zakame: sure let's do some blackhat karma harvesting in lp :)
[03:13] <zakame> highvoltage: np :D
[03:13] <highvoltage> Seveas: aren't you on the CC?
[03:13] <Seveas> highvoltage, no
[03:13] <Seveas> CC == mako,kamion,elmo,sabdfl
[03:13] <jjesse> Kamion is here some place :)
[03:14] <zakame> jsgotangco: buwahaha
[03:14] <Seveas> he's waking up the others ;)
[03:14] <Belutz> i'm eating my dinner first :)
[03:16] <jjesse> dang the way this is going to work is that i will be traveling from office to another when this things starts
[03:17] <bhuvan> :)
[03:17] <Seveas> The CC really needs to do something about punctuality...
[03:18] <bhuvan> we're already late by 17mins!
[03:18] <jsgotangco> yeah let's start a junta
[03:18] <highvoltage> if i knew i could have gone home and chatted from there :(
[03:18] <sabdfl> morning all
[03:18] <jsgotangco> lo sabdfl 
[03:18] <sabdfl> apologies for being late
[03:18] <highvoltage> morning
[03:18] <zakame> jsgotangco: la free.net.ph junta
[03:18] <GnuKemist> morning
[03:18] <rob^> hi sabdfl 
[03:18] <zakame> hi sabdfl :D
[03:18] <Belutz> hi sabdfl 
[03:18] <sabdfl> have we done the round of introductions?
[03:19] <MarioMeyer_> morning
[03:19] <zakame> nope
[03:19] <Seveas> no
[03:19] <highvoltage> nope
[03:19] <Seveas> you're the only CC member around currently
[03:19] <sabdfl> ok, introductions please, for the record
[03:19] <jjesse> *jjesse = jonathan jesse
[03:19] <sabdfl> kamion is looking for elmo, after finding me ;-)
[03:20] <Seveas> sabdfl, cool :)
[03:20] <Seveas> sabdfl, why not let mom hunt elmo down ;)
[03:20] <siretart> Seveas: you really don't want to be hunted by elmo ;)
[03:21] <zoe> zoe is Hiroyuki Ikezoe
[03:21] <jjesse> isn't elmo hunting wabbits?
[03:21] <sabdfl> elmo's on his way, 5 minutes
[03:21] <bhuvan> bhuvan -> Bhuvaneswaran
[03:21] <zakame> jjesse: buwahahah
[03:21] <GnuKemist> jjesse, hehe
[03:21] <sabdfl> jjesse: good news, +1 on your membership, based on feedback from riddell on your doc leadership
[03:21] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:21] <jjesse> sabdfl: thank you
[03:21] <jsgotangco> +1
[03:22] <Seveas> so jjesse is through now?
[03:22] <zakame> jjesse: w00t!
[03:22] <jsgotangco> actually he's the kubuntu doc hero for breezy
[03:22] <sabdfl> yes, elmo agreed based on riddell's feedback too
[03:22] <Seveas> jjesse, congratz!
[03:22] <sabdfl> so, welcome aboard, jjesse
[03:22] <hunger_> jjesse: Gratulation!
[03:22] <jjesse> thank you very much sabdfl 
[03:22] <GnuKemist> jjesse, congratz!!!
[03:22] <sabdfl> i haven't heard of further progress on the ubuntu forums bits
[03:22] <Kamion> I think I've processed all the pending folks in LP now
[03:23] <sabdfl> is anyone here to discuss that?
[03:23] <Seveas> sabdfl, can we please start off (when elmo and Kamion arrive) with Robert Stoffers (rob^), he'll have to leave soon
[03:23] <zakame> jjesse: cheers!
[03:23] <rob^> Seveas, thanks
[03:23] <jjesse> do i get to know the secret handshake now?
[03:23] <Kamion> elmo was swapping APs around last I heard, I'll try again in a sec
[03:23] <zakame> Kamion: thanks :)
[03:24] <Kamion> Seveas: (am I invisible?)
[03:24] <Kamion>  Status of RSS implementation for [WWW]  RecentChanges ([WWW]  Bhuvan)
[03:24] <Seveas> Kamion, I was typing that before your message arrived :)
[03:24] <bhuvan> yeah
[03:24] <Kamion> what's that about?
[03:25] <bhuvan> i wish to know why we have not included link for rss feeds in our RecentChanges page yet
[03:25] <sabdfl> bhuvan: does moin do that easily?
[03:25] <bhuvan> even though rss feed is supported in our moinmoin
[03:25] <sabdfl> seems easy enough to arrange
[03:25] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:25] <rob^> nice
[03:25] <sabdfl> has there been any suggestion from elmo or other admins that there is a rationale against it?
[03:25] <sabdfl> performance?
[03:26] <Kamion> if you happen to know the configuration rune, that would probably speed things up
[03:26] <jjesse> wasn't performance the reason that subscriptions were temp. disabled?
[03:26] <jsgotangco> well that was for during UBZ really
[03:26] <Kamion> jjesse: the wiki was DOSing launchpad - that's fixed now
[03:26] <Seveas> lol :)
[03:26] <Kamion> spiv made the code less stupid
[03:26] <rob^> heh
[03:27] <Seveas> Has the wild elmo been spotted already?
[03:27] <sabdfl> yes, he just needed to grab his laptop
[03:27] <Seveas> cool
[03:27] <zoe> CC has begun?
[03:27] <sabdfl> we can ask him when he gets here
[03:27] <sabdfl> zoe: yes
[03:28] <bhuvan> w.u.c/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc
[03:28] <Kamion> bhuvan: so it's done already?
[03:28] <zoe> sabdfl: thanks
[03:28] <Kamion> oh, you mean it just needs a link on the RecentChanges page?
[03:28] <sabdfl> bhuvan: do you jjust want a link?
[03:29] <elmo> sorry, here
[03:29] <sabdfl> hi elmo
[03:29] <jsgotangco> maybe just a shout out that its available?
[03:29] <bhuvan> yeah
[03:29] <zakame> hi elmo 
[03:29] <Seveas> bhuvan, that thing fails to display in liferea
[03:29] <jsgotangco> ohhh pretty neat i will use this in thunderbird then
[03:30] <hub> hi elmo
[03:30] <Kamion> I'm sure it's trivial; Bugzilla has a Websites component that you can file this sort of bug on in future
[03:30] <bhuvan> but, sage does it perfect
[03:30] <Kamion> (and I guess Malone will gain that soon enough if it doesn't have it already)
[03:30] <Seveas> hi elmo
[03:30] <Seveas> so we can start :)
[03:30] <sabdfl> yes we can
[03:30] <zakame> wow this rss is good
[03:31] <GnuKemist> bhuvan, MarioMeyer_ is very good at making rss comply with standards
[03:31] <bhuvan> we can include the link and include the feed url in link html tag in RecentChanges page, so orange square box appears in right corner in ff
[03:31] <Kamion> let's move on, file a bug if it's not something elmo can do right away
[03:31] <Kamion> #
[03:31] <Kamion> Proposal for a new NewMemberProcess (DennisKaarsemaker)
[03:31] <Kamion> #
[03:31] <Kamion> Proposal that community council substructures be able to grant membership, documented in GrantingMembership (MarkShuttleworth)
[03:31] <jsgotangco> ok i guess this isn't CC-centric now at the moment
[03:31] <Kamion> I guess those two are basically the same thing
[03:31] <Seveas> Kamion, please treat rob^ first
[03:31] <Seveas> he'll have to leave soon
[03:31] <Kamion> I see
[03:31] <sabdfl> let's handle rob^ first
[03:31] <jsgotangco> yes its 12am on his side
[03:31] <rob^> thanks :)
[03:31] <sabdfl> rob^: what's your launchpad username?
[03:31] <Kamion> rob^ == RobertStoffers?
[03:31] <rob^> sabdfl, RobertStoffers
[03:32] <sabdfl> that's wikiname
[03:32] <sabdfl> launchpad.net/people/ ?
[03:32] <Kamion> robbieboy
[03:32] <rob^> Robert Stoffers
[03:32] <jsgotangco> he's the Ubuntu 5,10 Starter Guide lead author so +1 from me
[03:32] <Seveas> rob^, care to do the 3-line intro
[03:32] <rob^> and robbieboy
[03:33] <rob^> Well, I've been working on the Ubuntu Starter Guide as the main author/maintainer for about 4 months or more now
[03:33] <sabdfl> rob^: can you tell me a little about yelp, docbook, and the ubuntu/kubuntu doc story?
[03:34] <rob^> sabdfl, what about it?
[03:34] <jsgotangco> rob^: probably about the profiling stuff
[03:34] <rob^> we initially intended to ship html for our docs
[03:35] <rob^> but due to translation problems we had a mad rush just before breezy release to get the xml working properly in yelp
[03:35] <jsgotangco> but the translations break if shipped in html
[03:35] <Seveas> mad rush is sort of an understatement
[03:35] <Seveas> it's been a lot of work for you
[03:35] <rob^> I was up until 3am or so for almost a week straight getting it done on time
[03:35] <jsgotangco> Seveas: it was pretty chaotic believe me
[03:36] <jjesse> it was chaotic for everyone at the end
[03:36] <jjesse> in the doc team
[03:36] <jjesse> kubuntu included
[03:36] <jsgotangco> even the translations
[03:36] <rob^> yes
[03:36] <jsgotangco> a few weeks before release, i told jjesse it turned out he was the only one doing kubuntu
[03:36] <rob^> we had a few issues with the .po files also
[03:37] <Seveas> what are the plans for dapper?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> at the moment, we have bugzilla bugs filed on our starter guide but most of them will be done by dapper
[03:37] <rob^> Seveas, well we are splitting the desktop guide into a server and desktop versions
[03:37] <jjesse> for kubuntu docs see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs
[03:37] <jsgotangco> at the moment, people involved are doing stuff refelected in DocteamProjects
[03:37] <rob^> I'm still working on the desktop guide, and also contributing to the server guide
[03:37] <Kamion> hopefully some of the freeze changes in DapperReleaseProcess should help you guys out
[03:38] <jsgotangco> we'd like the QuickTour to move to the marketing team, but they seem to be working in their own ivory tower
[03:38] <Seveas> hopefully people will respect the freezes....
[03:38] <rob^> see DesktopGuide and ServerGuide on the wiki for info about them
[03:38] <jsgotangco> and bhuvan is currently submitting a lot of diffs and patches
[03:38] <rob^> yep
[03:38] <bhuvan> jsgotangco, rob^: thankx!
[03:38] <Seveas> sounds like a good resume to me
[03:39] <rob^> I've also been working on the wiki a fair bit
[03:39] <Kamion> Seveas: with a long-term-supported release coming up, we'll probably be fairly hard-arsed
[03:39] <Seveas> Kamion, great
[03:39] <Kamion> but we'll have to see how it goes
[03:39] <jsgotangco> yes we'll be pretty tight for dapper
[03:39] <jsgotangco> we've learned a lot in breezy
[03:39] <rob^> yes, the dapper guides will be special
[03:39] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes, an understatement
[03:39] <jsgotangco> actually a ton of mistakes
[03:39] <zakame> jsgotangco: indeed
[03:40] <jsgotangco> but we have bugzilla for mistakes
[03:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:40] <Seveas> shall we not drift off into an ubuntu-doc discussion
[03:40] <jsgotangco> ok
[03:40] <rob^> I also currently receive all the documentation-related bugs on bugzilla
[03:40] <Seveas> rob^, do you do other things beside the docteam?
[03:40] <Kamion> ok, I'm happy with rob^, the starter guide (FAQ guide now, I guess) is one of the core pieces of doc we present
[03:40] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me on rob on the basis of a long contribution to the doc project
[03:40] <jsgotangco> +100 for rob^ definitely
[03:40] <rob^> I also help out on IRC a bit
[03:40] <Seveas> cool, that's 2/3 :)
[03:41] <elmo> ack
[03:41] <Kamion> elmo?
[03:41] <sabdfl> rob^: later i'd like to figure out how we do translated docs that work across ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu etc
[03:41] <Kamion> ok
[03:41] <sabdfl> done
[03:41] <Seveas> rob^, welcome aboard and goodnight :)
[03:41] <sabdfl> welcome aboard
[03:41] <rob^> sabdfl, thanks :)
[03:41] <GnuKemist> rob^, congratz!
[03:41] <sabdfl> let's handled Seveas' proposal and mine
[03:41] <zakame> rob^: cheers! :D
[03:41] <jsgotangco> sabdfl: rosetta? ok another meeting agenda for docteam in 2 weeks i guess
[03:41] <GnuKemist> rob^, and keep them docs coming too  =)
[03:41] <highvoltage> bye rob^ 
[03:41] <hub> bye rob^
[03:41] <rob^> thanks all, good night
[03:41] <GnuKemist> night
[03:41] <jbailey> rob^: Grats =)
[03:42] <zakame> bye rob^ 
[03:42] <Seveas> ok, on the agenda now: changing the membership process
[03:42] <Seveas> both sabdfl and me had some ideas 
[03:42] <Seveas> Comments please :)
[03:42] <Kamion> I very much like the pre-meeting interview thing from Seveas' proposal
[03:43] <Kamion> I'm not sure how much filtering the launchpad team would help; at present we keep that up to date but it doesn't really matter if it's got extra junk in it
[03:43] <sabdfl> also, +1 on cleaning out the proposed membership lists
[03:43] <Kamion> (for now)
[03:43] <Seveas> Kamion, at least a one-yime cleanout should be done
[03:43] <jsgotangco> the lp team acts as filter or qa of sorts?
[03:44] <Seveas> if you then set the team to completely restricted, only the admins can add users to even proposed members
[03:44] <smurf> Kamion: so you think sabdfl's Option C would be best?
[03:44] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: good thing we're raking up the karma then ;)
[03:44] <zakame> or a la NM front desk
[03:44] <Kamion> Seveas: apparently we don't have a proper expiration mechanism on the members list yet; you can only stamp DECLINED on it in big red letters
[03:44] <elmo> if we do pre-meeting interview, I'd like some kind of feedback to the CC on who got bounced at the pre-meeting interview
[03:44] <sabdfl> i think my proposal is an expansion on seveas' idea of pre-meeting interviews
[03:44] <Kamion> smurf: haven't got that far yet
[03:44] <Seveas> sabdfl, I see proposol C of yours as just that indeed
[03:45] <Seveas> great to see that great minds still think alike ;)
[03:45] <\sh> hmmm...
[03:45] <Kamion> Seveas: I'm not sure we want to restrict the team that far; there's no problem with having proposed members there, it just needs to be cleaned up a bit once we have an expiry mechanism
[03:45] <sabdfl> fools still not differing much, either
[03:45] <smurf> Giving membership responsibility to sub-groups would be a rather large step, I don't think we should go that far that fast
[03:45] <Seveas> hehe
[03:45] <jsgotangco> what does it take to be constituent community?
[03:46] <sabdfl> jsgotangco: a reasonable argument
[03:46] <Seveas> smurf, +1
[03:46] <\sh> reading sabdfl proposal, means, that e.g. dholbach and ogra can approve memberships because one person has done a lot of motu work?
[03:46] <Kamion> \sh: there are multiple alternatives presented there
[03:46] <sabdfl> \sh: depends on which option we go with
[03:46] <jsgotangco> anyone can make an lp team at the moment
[03:46] <juliux> hi all
[03:46] <sabdfl> jsgotangco: but not all teams would be recognised as being part of ubuntumembers
[03:46] <highvoltage> hi juliux 
[03:46] <\sh> sabdfl: I just had an eye on your bold characters :)
[03:47] <Kamion> having read it now, sabdfl and I talked a bit about his proposal the other night and I understood it as basically option C
[03:47] <sabdfl> a, b and c are just different implementations
[03:47] <Kamion> they're rather different policy
[03:47] <sabdfl> with different consequences in terms of notification and awareness
[03:48] <Kamion> delegation versus nomination
[03:48] <sabdfl> at the one end of the spectrum, it's real delegation with no necessary notification
[03:48] <vuntz_> I think C is probably a good first step
[03:48] <sabdfl> on the other, the approval is still channelled through the CC
[03:48] <sabdfl> option C would still speed things up substantially
[03:48] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:49] <zakame> yes, C is good
[03:49] <sabdfl> we would get an email from the "team leads" saying "these people are nominated, with our approval"
[03:49] <Seveas> option C would imho be the best balance between speedup and delegation
[03:49] <\sh> option C looks good...but it means, that the responsible people for the teams are always up to date with new people doing stuff for the teams
[03:49] <Kamion> my feeling is that I'd like to start with C; if it turns out that there are people we completely trust in all respects, then there would be nothing particular preventing us from fully delegating to them
[03:49] <sabdfl> i suspect that, as the project grows, we will be forced to move to A or B in time, but C is my preferred position right now
[03:49] <sabdfl> elmo: ?
[03:50] <jsgotangco> C is a good transition phase for the CC itself
[03:50] <Kamion> I wouldn't want to go to delegation immediately without seeing how people act
[03:50] <Kamion> I also don't want to view C as a transition phase necessarily - it depends how things go
[03:50] <\sh> Kamion: the problem is not the trust in this matter...the problem is that the teamleads have to be up2date
[03:50] <Kamion> \sh: it's both
[03:50] <elmo> I can live with C, if that's what the rest of the CC wants to do, but I'd nack anything but C
[03:50] <sabdfl> \sh: the team leads are far more likely to be up to date than the CC can get in a meeting
[03:50] <elmo> (right now)
[03:50] <Kamion> \sh: it's also easier for team leads to be up to date than it is for the CC to be up to date
[03:50] <smurf> +1 on C for now
[03:51] <zakame> indeed, C would also allow Seveas ' pre-meeting interviews
[03:51] <Seveas> zakame, it would require that
[03:51] <Kamion> guys, votes are of CC members :)
[03:51] <Seveas> in order to speed up the CC meetings
[03:51] <bhuvan> it's their opinion though :)
[03:51] <\sh> sabdfl: which means, only dholbach has to be up2date...cause ogra is occupied with edubuntu
[03:51] <Kamion> it actually makes it hard to grep logs if people randomly say "+1"
[03:52] <\sh> sabdfl: regarding MOTU team
[03:52] <Kamion> for me when looking for membership stuff to process
[03:52] <sabdfl> we'll prefix decisions with DECISION
[03:52] <Seveas> Kamion, as of last meeting I'm making summaries
[03:52] <sabdfl> ok, i think we have a decision on GrantingMembership
[03:52] <Seveas> I'll post one of this meeting to ubuntu-devel later today
[03:53] <sabdfl> which teams are we happy to empower like this?
[03:53] <sabdfl> tech board, definitely
[03:53] <Kamion> the pre-meeting interview proposal looks like a weaker version of option C to me, yes
[03:53] <jsgotangco> us too at -doc i'd say
[03:53] <sabdfl> motu, definitely, for membership
[03:54] <elmo> err, who's motu?
[03:54] <\sh> sabdfl: I disagree for MOTU...but this has to be discussed
[03:54] <Kamion> we always viewed maintainership as a subset of membership, so it makes clear sense for the TB to be able to nominate members
[03:54] <elmo> the whole team, or the actual leadership?
[03:54] <Kamion> at the very least I want pre-meeting interviews for MOTU
[03:54] <sabdfl> elmo: leadership
[03:54] <elmo> is that defined anywhere/how?
[03:54] <\sh> elmo: dholbach and ogra is the lead
[03:56] <Seveas> hmm, did my connection die or is everyone suddenly silent?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:56] <GnuKemist> ;)
[03:56] <Belutz> i think it's suddenly silent
[03:56] <\sh> a glitch in the matrix
[03:56] <Kamion> one sec already
[03:56] <highvoltage> Seveas: the latter, i thinkg
[03:57] <Seveas> Kamion, no rush, I really thought my connection dropped
[03:57] <Kamion> sabdfl brought up the point that pre-meeting interviews involve more running around trying to organise meetings than nominations do
[03:57] <zakame> \sh: hih
[03:57] <Kamion> Seveas: that's what /ping's for
[03:57] <GnuKemist> I'd like to read somewhere what you are talking about... all I see is option this... option that...  ;)
[03:57] <Kamion> GnuKemist: links from the agenda
[03:57] <\sh> GnuKemist: wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[03:57] <Seveas> Kamion, but it's no running around for the CC
[03:57] <GnuKemist> Kamion, am checking but didn't see anything there
[03:57] <highvoltage> GnuKemist: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/NewMemberProcess
[03:57] <GnuKemist> \sh, thanx...  =)  am really poking around
[03:58] <\sh> GnuKemist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberProcess and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrantingMembership
[03:58] <GnuKemist> all, sorry to interrupt the flow
[03:58] <Kamion> Seveas: nominations mean that we can get a list of "the tech board propose the following candidates for membership: ..." and we say "any objections? no? done" and do the whole lot in batch mode
[03:58] <sabdfl> it's much cleaner just to have nominations
[03:58] <Kamion> depending on how much we know and trust the relevant group
[03:58] <sabdfl> the teams themselves can orgnaise the nomination process based on what works for them
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hiya silbs 
[04:01] <Seveas> Wouldn't that close up the membership process a bit too much?
[04:01] <Kamion> Seveas: people can still turn up directly if they don't fit into the established teams (iho)
[04:01] <Kamion> er, imho
[04:01] <sabdfl> agreed
[04:01] <sabdfl> so, to summarise
[04:01] <Kamion> it will still save us time relative to the current procedure
[04:01] <Belutz> what if the team leader is not very active?
[04:02] <Kamion> Belutz: then that's a separate problem which must be resolved
[04:02] <Seveas> then ther should be enough teams leaders (loco, motu, tb) to catch most of them
[04:02] <sabdfl> the proposal is that we would ask for nominations for membership from the leadership of specific groups
[04:02] <\sh> Belutz: <sabdfl> the teams themselves can orgnaise the nomination process based on what works for them
[04:02] <Kamion> Seveas: I repeat, it will still save us time relative to what we have now, even if it's not complete
[04:02] <Seveas> and for the others the pre-meeting interviews should be useful
[04:02] <sabdfl> we would only do this where we felt the leadership had a fair and accurate relationship with their community
[04:02] <Belutz> hmmm ok
[04:02] <Kamion> we can start small and refine this over time
[04:03] <sabdfl> right now, we would definitely do this for the tech board
[04:03] <sabdfl> this would, in effect, formalise something that has been happening since pre-hoary days
[04:03] <sabdfl> when we allowed the TB to grant both upload and membership
[04:03] <sabdfl> other candidate groups would include the forums leadership, and the doc team, artwork team, and motu
[04:03] <sabdfl> however
[04:04] <highvoltage> how large is the new membership cantidate backlog?
[04:04] <sabdfl> we would only delegate if we had confidence in the impartiality and stability of the leadership of the group
[04:04] <sabdfl> the current forums uncertainty would preclude delegtion to them just yet
[04:04] <Kamion> highvoltage: 11 left on today's agenda
[04:05] <highvoltage> Kamion: ok, thanks.
[04:05] <Seveas> when will this be implemented?
[04:06] <Kamion> Seveas: at some point *after* it's approved ;-)
[04:06] <Kamion> (if/when)
[04:06] <Seveas> hehe
[04:07] <Seveas> then I think we should start voting
[04:07] <sabdfl> ok, let's start from the beginning.
[04:07] <sabdfl> CC, up or down on Option C of GrantingMembership
[04:07] <sabdfl> +1
[04:08] <Kamion> +1
[04:08] <elmo> ack
[04:08] <sabdfl> done
[04:08] <Seveas> ok cool
[04:08] <sabdfl> now, up or down on Tech Board for nominations
[04:08] <sabdfl> +1
[04:08] <Kamion> clearly +1
[04:09] <elmo> ack
[04:09] <Seveas> And for the MOTU?
[04:09] <bhuvan> currently we start with tech-board, how about other teams during transition ?
[04:09] <Kamion> MOTU is a huge group; I'd like to vote on specific names
[04:09] <\sh> nope...motu should nominate first
[04:09] <sabdfl> we don't have formal leadership of MOTU
[04:10] <sabdfl> we could propose a team of three now, or let them come back to us with proposals
[04:10] <sabdfl> same for artwork, doc, and ultimately forums
[04:10] <Seveas> I like the latter proposal
[04:10] <\sh> actually most of the motus are not here...or are sleeping their jetlag away
[04:10] <Seveas> how about IRC/mailing list (the support crew)?
[04:10] <sabdfl> so let's give them the opportunity to talk about this
[04:10] <\sh> so the latter is the best we have
[04:11] <sabdfl> ok, so for the next CC meeting, we'll hear proposals for leadership teams on those groups
[04:11] <jsgotangco> its pretty useful for -doc as we have our own "grant access" stuff
[04:11] <sabdfl> i'll mail devel-announce
[04:12] <siretart> I think MOTUS should rediscuss this issue the next MOTU Meeting
[04:12] <Kamion> ok, fine by me
[04:13] <sabdfl> ok, thanks everybody, i think this is a good step
[04:13] <sabdfl> next up?
[04:13] <Seveas> pseudoforks - mpathy
[04:13] <Seveas> mpathy is not here
[04:13] <Kamion> what are pseudoforks?
[04:13] <Seveas> and I have no clue on what he means :)
[04:13] <sabdfl> anybody know what that's about?
[04:14] <sabdfl> any other business?
[04:14] <sabdfl> ok. loco teams
[04:14] <jsgotangco> maybe he meant stuff like xubuntu?
[04:14] <Seveas> rolando blanco
[04:14] <Seveas> Mauricio Hernandez
[04:14] <Seveas> and Jun Kobayashi
[04:14] <smurf> Is any of you here?
[04:15] <jkbys> I'm Jun Kobayashi
[04:15] <smurf> (you == those three ;-)
[04:16] <smurf> So, can you tell us a bit about your team and your activities?
[04:16] <jkbys> I have 3 line intro about Japanese Team and me. Can I paste?
[04:16] <smurf> sure
[04:16] <sabdfl> yes please
[04:16] <jkbys> I'm Jun Kobayashi from the Ubuntu Japanese team. I'm admin of Japanese Ubuntu website, http://www.ubuntulinux.jp. I distribute install, live and coLinux Ubuntu image, customized for Japanese language there. Since my image supports Input method for Japanese by default, Japanese normal user can use Japanese Ubuntu desktop environment in a breeze.
[04:16] <jkbys> I also wrote two artcles related Ubuntu for Japanese magazines. I wrote about Ubuntu remote desktop system with FreeNX for "UNIX USER" last month, and wrote introduction to Ubuntu for "Nikkei Linux", sold on next month.
[04:17] <jkbys> My vision for Ubuntu: I want to work for making Ubuntu major OS in Japan. For that purpose, I'll continue Japanese Team activity, commit for official Ubuntu to better support for multibyte language, and write articles.
[04:17] <jkbys> that's all, sorry for my poor English.
[04:17] <smurf> jkbys: no problem, we've had worse ;-)
[04:17] <GnuKemist> jkbys, that was very nice
[04:17] <Seveas> jkbys, have you been following the SCIM discussions on ubuntu-devel?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> pretty good english
[04:17] <smurf> jkbys: how large is your team?
[04:17] <jkbys> Seveas: yes
[04:18] <zoe> smurf: I'm a member of th team
[04:18] <jkbys> smurf: 3 active members
[04:18] <zoe> oops. I mean the team 
[04:19] <jsgotangco> don't you guys did a jp-specific breezy?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> s/don't/didn't
[04:19] <smurf> jkbys: do you have an IRC channel or a mailing list?
[04:19] <Seveas> jsgotangco, he just said that
[04:19] <jsgotangco> oh
[04:20] <smurf> (it's rather unusual for a team not to ;-)
[04:20] <jsgotangco> ok they also contributed the rather cute ubuntu os-tan
[04:20] <zakame> jsgotangco: is that the one clair had on? :)
[04:20] <jkbys> smurf: I have ubuntu-ja mailing list.
[04:20] <jsgotangco> zakame: yes
[04:20] <sabdfl> jkbys: i'm really interested in your work
[04:21] <smurf> jkbys: Cool, please add that to your LoCoTeamList entry
[04:21] <sabdfl> can you suggesting anything we can do to help you?
[04:21] <jsgotangco> jkbys: also the tradeshow stuff you did a while
[04:22] <jkbys> ok, i'll add
[04:23] <Seveas> Any other stuff to tell?
[04:23] <Seveas> Or ask?
[04:23] <sabdfl> jkbys: can you think of anything we could change in ubuntu that would make it easier for you?
[04:23] <zakame> wb desrt , hunger 
[04:24] <vuntz_> hi desrt
[04:25] <desrt> greets.
[04:25] <Seveas> jkbys?
[04:25] <desrt> is there some sort of a community council meeting in progress?
[04:25] <rbelem> sabdfl: i have one ;-)
[04:25] <Seveas> desrt, yes
[04:25] <jsgotangco> desrt: yes please see topic :)
[04:26] <zakame> jkbys: ping
[04:26] <Seveas> ok, jkbys does not answer
[04:26] <jkbys> It's hard to describe in English for me, sorry
[04:26] <Seveas> ah
[04:26] <sabdfl> jkbys: ok, feel free to email me directly if you have thoughts and its easier in email
[04:27] <sabdfl> mark@ubuntu.com
[04:27] <jkbys> we are happy if ubuntu supports SCIM by default
[04:27] <GnuKemist> jkbys, try this and paste it back  http://www.google.com/language_tools
[04:27] <sabdfl> i'm very keen to help grow ubuntu in japan
[04:27] <jsgotangco> jkbys: how was Kansai Open Source?
[04:27] <sabdfl> we only had 70 shipit requests
[04:27] <jkbys> sabdfl: thanks
[04:27] <sabdfl> about the same as iceland :-)
[04:27] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:27] <sabdfl> compared to 16,000 in South Africa
[04:27] <rbelem> jkbys: i know how hard this is
[04:27] <GnuKemist> jkbys, use that site to translate your thoughts and paste back
[04:27] <sabdfl> so i am interested in how we can help you raise awareness
[04:28] <jkbys> jsgotangco: Many people have interest in ubuntu, and got our CD
[04:28] <highvoltage> i think at least half of those 16 000 came from members in my local lug :)
[04:28] <sabdfl> jkbys: would you like to see an official ubuntu-for-japan?
[04:28] <jkbys> GnuKemist: thank, ill try
[04:29] <jsgotangco> sabdfl: japan is pretty big, probably make jkbys ubuntu-jp breezy pressed?
[04:29] <sabdfl> jsgotangco: that's an option. if jkbys emails me we can discuss this further
[04:29] <sabdfl> let's move on, any more loco teams?
[04:29] <Seveas> no, they did not show up
[04:29] <Seveas> First member on the list: Maurico Hernandez
[04:30] <jkbys> sabdfl: i'd like make Official Japanese Ubuntu team.
[04:30] <Seveas> Mauricio is not here?
[04:31] <Seveas> Og Maciel, are you here?
[04:31] <GnuKemist> here
[04:31] <smurf> jkbys: you are now
[04:31] <sabdfl> jkbys: yes, i would support an official japanese ubuntu team
[04:31] <rbelem> GnuKemist: good luck
[04:31] <rbelem> ;-)
[04:31] <GnuKemist> rbelem, thanx
[04:31] <GnuKemist> ;)
[04:31] <sabdfl> GnuKemist: go ahead, three-line-summary
[04:31] <Seveas> GnuKemist, great, then after jkbys and sabdfl sort it out, you're up
[04:31] <jkbys> sabdfl: thanks
[04:32] <GnuKemist> sabdfl, first of all, I want to say that I strongly agree with Ubuntu:  "humanity to others"
[04:32] <jkbys> jsgotangco: yes, i make ubuntu-ja preseed file.
[04:32] <GnuKemist> I have always believed that there is a reason why we are here
[04:32] <GnuKemist> so I have always tried to make myself usefull
[04:33] <GnuKemist> for the last 5-6 years I've been a Linux advocate
[04:33] <GnuKemist> even evangelist if you will
[04:33] <GnuKemist> but didn't really take the bigger step to make myself more visible
[04:33] <GnuKemist> and therefore reach more people
[04:33] <sabdfl> GnuKemist: you have made a great contribution to translations. how did you come to be both in brazil linux, and new jersey groups?
[04:34] <GnuKemist> sabdfl, thank you..  I live in New Jersey
[04:34] <GnuKemist> sabdfl, but born and raised in Brazil
[04:34] <GnuKemist> it was thanks to the incentive of \sh that I joined the Brazilian Loco
[04:35] <GnuKemist> GnuKemist, it felt like I was reborn
[04:35] <\sh> GnuKemist: thx
[04:35] <GnuKemist> GnuKemist, I started luring people to participate more
[04:35] <GnuKemist> \sh, it is true!  ;)
[04:35] <GnuKemist> to translate
[04:35] <Seveas> bbl
[04:35] <GnuKemist> and started helping out at the channel too
[04:36] <GnuKemist> then we launched the Planet
[04:36] <GnuKemist> and am now talking with someone to launch Planet Peru
[04:36] <rbelem> mailling list too
[04:36] <Kamion> I'm interested that you're both an Oracle developer and a MySQL user group guy :)
[04:36] <GnuKemist> I intend to drag MarioMeyer_  with me in this one
[04:36] <highvoltage> i might be unavailable for a minute or so. need to switch to gprs network.
[04:36] <GnuKemist> Kamion, hehehe
[04:36] <Kamion> but as sabdfl says you've contributed lots to pt_BR translations, so I'm happy
[04:36] <GnuKemist> GnuKemist, actually, MarioMeyer_ has been a source of inspiration too
[04:37] <Kamion> (+1)
[04:37] <GnuKemist> Kamion, thanx  =)
[04:37] <GnuKemist> GnuKemist, MarioMeyer_ is the sort of guy who is ready for action
[04:37] <GnuKemist> so he pushes me and I push him
[04:37] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[04:37] <MarioMeyer_> lol
[04:37] <GnuKemist> am going to Brazil this Friday
[04:37] <GnuKemist> ready to evangelize
[04:37] <GnuKemist> =)
[04:38] <rbelem> sabdfl: they give a new life to ubuntu brazil
[04:38] <GnuKemist> even at my MySQL LUG I bring CDs I burn the night before
[04:38] <GnuKemist> rbelem, thanx  ;)
[04:38] <GnuKemist> sabdfl, and I REALLY want to take more of a hands on role with Ubuntu
[04:38] <\sh> GnuKemist: well...it's only you...you did something for the community and ubuntu...so don't thank me or others thank yourself :)
[04:38] <GnuKemist> sabdfl, not only Brazil Ubuntu but Humanity
[04:39] <Seveas> GnuKemist, sounds all nice
[04:39] <GnuKemist> \sh very kind words...  ;)
[04:39] <sabdfl> +1 from me for GnuKemist, based on advocacy and translation
[04:39] <GnuKemist> Seveas, thank you...  I keep a Brazilian and English blog so I can reach more people
[04:39] <GnuKemist> sabdfl, thank you
[04:40] <GnuKemist> even if I don't get accepted, I am here for the long haul
[04:40] <GnuKemist> can't get rid of me
[04:40] <GnuKemist> hehe
[04:40] <Seveas> GnuKemist, you're neasrly there, only elmo needs to be convinced :)
[04:40] <GnuKemist> Seveas, hehe...  haven't met him yet...  just heard of...  
[04:40] <elmo> ack
[04:40] <Seveas> GnuKemist, welcome aboard!
[04:40] <GnuKemist> Seveas, wow
[04:40] <rbelem> GnuKemist: wb ;-)
[04:41] <GnuKemist> thank you all
[04:41] <zakame> GnuKemist: cheers! :D
[04:41] <MarioMeyer_> congrats, man...
[04:41] <\sh> GnuKemist: welcome to the real world...and believe me when I say...elmo is a nice guy :)
[04:41] <GnuKemist> I promisse to live up to the title
[04:41] <dholbach> GnuKemist: well done :)
[04:41] <Seveas> Fabian Rodrigues does not seem to be here
[04:41] <GnuKemist> dholbach, thank you
[04:41] <GnuKemist> \sh looking forward to meeting you one day
[04:41] <Seveas> FRNSantos neither (plus he has NO information on his wikipage)
[04:41] <jsgotangco> nice
[04:42] <GnuKemist> zakame, got some coffee for me now?  ;)
[04:42] <Seveas> Next up: Andi Darmawan (Belutz)
[04:42] <mpathy> Hi there
[04:42] <Seveas> mpathy, welcome
[04:42] <\sh> GnuKemist: well...i'm not the guy u want to meet :)
[04:42] <Belutz> should i intoduce myself now?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> Belutz: go for it
[04:43] <Seveas> Belutz, that would help :)
[04:43] <zakame> GnuKemist: caffeine coming up :D
[04:43] <Belutz> My name is Andi Darmawan. Currently I live in Jakarta, Indonesia. I only been using ubuntu from august 2005. I currently translating ubuntu and the apps in rosetta and setting up an ubuntu repositories mirror in government server (it's done but waiting for approval and dns setting). And i'm also one of the moderator for ubuntu-id@l.u.c and maintainin http://www.ubuntu.or.id And recently I joined with GNOME Indonesian Translator team.
[04:43] <sabdfl> mpathy: we are handling member candidates, will come to your proposal later
[04:43] <GnuKemist> \sh hehehe...  at least thank you in person for being my "muse" 
[04:43] <Belutz> sorry for my poor english
[04:43] <hub> re Fabian Rodrigues, he is not on the other channel either.
[04:43] <sabdfl> Belutz: wiki and launchpad url's?
[04:43] <Belutz> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndiDarmawan
[04:44] <Belutz> http://launchpad.net/people/belutz
[04:44] <Seveas> ubuntu.or.id errors out (internal server error)
[04:44] <mpathy> sabdfl: okay, I am a work, how long will it take?
[04:44] <Belutz> Seveas, yup, because we're currentyly using IGOS server, and i'm not the server maintaner
[04:44] <sabdfl> mpathy: ping back in   20 mins
[04:45] <Belutz> by the way, IGOS is Indonesia Goes Open Source
[04:45] <sabdfl> +1 from me on Belutz, on the back of translation activity over time, and loco work in Indonesia
[04:45] <Seveas> Belutz, any others from .id who can vouch for you in here?
[04:45] <mpathy> sabdfl: roger-roger ;)
[04:45] <jsgotangco> did faqguide in id got in breezy?
[04:45] <jsgotangco> oh not yet
[04:45] <Belutz> Seveas, i rarely see someone from .id around here
[04:45] <Belutz> I always be a lonely guy in #ubuntu-id
[04:46] <Belutz> the repositories mirror will be located in this server http://kresna.ristek.go.id
[04:46] <jsgotangco> he's been hanging out in -doc lately, but mostly translation work in rosetta
[04:46] <Belutz> sabdfl, thanks :-)
[04:46] <sabdfl> Belutz: are there local LUG's in your area?
[04:46] <zakame> Belutz: awww
[04:46] <Kamion> re setting up a mirror, what's the bandwidth situation like in .id?
[04:46] <Belutz> sabdfl, yes, but apparently they not too active anymore
[04:47] <Kamion> ping Karl Tilbury (Znarl) with details once you have that set up, and if it's suitable it can be put into the CC.archive.ubuntu.com set
[04:47] <Belutz> sabdfl, i'm still trying to get in touch with the LUG (it's called KPLI in here) members
[04:47] <hub> brb in a couple of min.
[04:47] <jsgotangco> the government of indonesia have this sort of deal with Sun to use JDS in their gov't agencies, i've read before....
[04:48] <Belutz> Kamion, the bandwidth is not too good in Indonesia, but since we had IIX (Indonesia Internet Exchange) it's much faster to download from local Internet
[04:48] <Kamion> ah, one of those countries
[04:48] <sabdfl> so a mirror would be very useful for everyone
[04:48] <Kamion> +1 on Belutz, anyhow
[04:48] <sabdfl> elmo: ?
[04:48] <sabdfl> AWTY?
[04:49] <elmo> no ice cream for you
[04:49] <Belutz> currently the most updated mirror is already listed in w.u.c/Archives
[04:49] <elmo> ack
[04:49] <sabdfl> ok, Belutz, welcome aboard
[04:49] <Belutz> wow
[04:49] <Belutz> thanks :-)
[04:49] <Seveas> Belutz, congratz
[04:49] <jsgotangco> Belutz: yay!!!!
[04:49] <Belutz> I;m excited
[04:49] <vuntz_> welcome Belutz
[04:49] <GnuKemist> Belutz, congratz!!!
[04:49] <sabdfl> it would be great if you could get the loco / lug scene active again
[04:49] <Belutz> thanks all
[04:50] <Belutz> sabdfl, i'll do that
[04:50] <Seveas> Ryan Lortie - around?
[04:50] <jsgotangco> that should spur further ubuntu prominence in id
[04:50] <Kamion> sabdfl and I already talked to Ryan Lortie here at UBZ
[04:50] <GnuKemist> jsgotangco,  agreed
[04:50] <dholbach> Seveas: that's desrt
[04:50] <vuntz_> Seveas: his nick is desrt
[04:50] <hub> Seveas: Ryan was there
[04:50] <Belutz> and i would be great if in the ubuntu installer, we could choose the mirror right away
[04:51] <zakame> Belutz: cheers! :D
[04:51] <sabdfl> +1 on desrt for membership from me
[04:51] <Kamion> Belutz: it defaults to id.archive.ubuntu.com, so if you're in that rotation then it will be correct by default
[04:51] <Belutz> Kamion, ok
[04:51] <sabdfl> hoping he will work with the MOTU and become an uploader too, then join main
[04:51] <Belutz> zakame, :-)
[04:51] <Seveas> sabdfl, now you see why pre-meeting interviews can be useful ;)
[04:51] <Kamion> I already approved Ryan in Launchpad's ubuntumembers group based on the conversation we had; he's one of gnome-applets upstream and has a lot of thoughts on power management
[04:52] <Seveas> ok, next up is then hub
[04:52] <dholbach> sabdfl: i'll do all i can to get him into working with the team :)
[04:52] <hub> here
[04:52] <Kamion> any thoughts from MOTU on hub?
[04:53] <dholbach> +1 from me.. he's very active in getting ubuntu up to scratch digital photography wise and his packaging skills evolved over 3 months now
[04:53] <sabdfl> it was great to have hub here at UBZ
[04:53] <dholbach> i'm very happy with him, since he's active and visible in the team
[04:54] <sabdfl> hub: are you upstream abiword?
[04:54] <hub> sabdfl: yep
[04:55] <hub> sabdfl: and gphoto as well
[04:55] <sabdfl> hub: has there been much discussion of gobby-like features in it?
[04:55] <hub> sabdfl: for 2.6 we plan to work on AbiCollab. it has been scratched a bit already
[04:55] <hub> sabdfl: cause some issues :-/
[04:55] <highvoltage> abiword is nice.
[04:55] <hub> s/cause/causing/
[04:56] <hub> should be terrific on the Nokia :-)
[04:56] <jsgotangco> i've heard...
[04:56] <dholbach> do any other MOTUs have an opinion on hub and his involvement in the MOTU world?
[04:57] <sabdfl> hub: where do you think you will make a big impact in the ubuntu community?
[04:57] <sabdfl> what would you like to see us doing with ubuntu?
[04:57] <hub> sabdfl: it will be a plugin, but we need to provide support in the core code-base. Definitely on the todo list, martin is really motivated
[04:57] <jsgotangco> lp photo team sure looks interesting
[04:58] <hub> sabdfl: I started packaging some tools for digital photography in Ubuntu mostly because applications for this specific field are not really up to what we would expect.
[04:58] <hub> sabdfl: lot of bit everywhere, and in the mean time if we could have them easily installable, that would be a first start
[04:59] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me on hub
[04:59] <hub> I was surprised to see that one of the most useful panorama stitching app was not packaged. so I did
[04:59] <hub> still on REVU :-/
[05:00] <dholbach> hub: i'll get back to revuing, promise
[05:00] <zakame> dholbach: yeah, a LOT of pkgs need it :0
[05:00] <zakame> s#0#)#
[05:00] <hub> dholbach: you have 8 weeks ;-)
[05:00] <elmo> ack
[05:00] <Seveas> welcome aboard hub!
[05:01] <hub> thanks
[05:01] <GnuKemist> hub, congrats!
[05:01] <Seveas> Jonathan Carter
[05:01] <dholbach> hub:excellent
[05:01] <zakame> hub: cheers! :D
[05:01] <Seveas> are you there?
[05:01] <highvoltage> hi Seveas.
[05:01] <highvoltage> yes, I am.
[05:01] <vuntz_> hub: congrats
[05:01] <highvoltage> Hi. My name is Jonathan Carter. I work on the http://www.tuxlabs.org.za project for a dayjob (which I love). After hours, I get involved on the Ubuntu side. Currently, I'm attempting to translate everything into Afrikaans (local language). I also created some scripts earlier this year that allowed us to install ubuntu into schools (script added LTSP, KDE Edu, tux4kids, and our content, among other things), which meant that we could install this i
[05:01] <Belutz> hub, congrats
[05:01] <highvoltage> I also work on the Edubuntu website (http://www.edubuntu.org). I've been making friends with the doc-team (great guys), I'm currently working on guides that will make it easy for people to gain entry to ubuntu (such as http://jonathancarter.ossn.co.za/edubuntuproto/index.py?tour (sorry, a bit older version than I have on my pc at home)).  I want to get involved as deeply as I can. I want to see Ubuntu become not only the best distro, but the best
[05:02] <highvoltage> sorry, that's a bigger blob than it looked like in gedit :)
[05:02] <zakame> highvoltage: that's ok :)
[05:02] <Seveas> highvoltage, ah, you're an edubuntu guy
[05:02] <highvoltage> Seveas: yep.
[05:02] <jsgotangco> yes he did lots on the website and art
[05:03] <Seveas> is ogra around?
[05:03] <highvoltage> unfortunately not :(
[05:03] <highvoltage> i think he's on his way back home.
[05:03] <dholbach> yeah, he should be
[05:03] <\sh> he's at home...sleeping his jetlag away I think
[05:03] <Seveas> any other edubuntu people?
[05:04] <Kamion> highvoltage: how's Edubuntu progressing in .za?
[05:04] <jsgotangco> Seveas: https://launchpad.net/people/belutz
[05:04] <highvoltage> Kamion: i copy it and give it away to people who want to do their own roll-out, that from a work-perspective mostly, but it has has lots of exposure.
[05:04] <jsgotangco> err
[05:04] <jsgotangco> wait
[05:05] <jsgotangco> Seveas: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu
[05:05] <highvoltage> many people are interested in the ubuntu setup we currently use in schools,
[05:05] <Belutz> :-)
[05:05] <highvoltage> and i refer them to edubuntu, since it's maintained by a bigger group of people, and more sustainable,
[05:05] <Kamion> right, that makes sense
[05:05] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: isn't tuxlabs going to move to edubuntu soon?
[05:06] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: more likely just after dapper is released.
[05:06] <Kamion> BTW your sentences above were cut off at "... install this i" and "... but the best" - go IRC
[05:06] <highvoltage> we just finished upgrading the 139 schools to hoary, and we've decided to stick to a 1 year release upgrade for the schools.
[05:07] <jsgotangco> FYI, tuxlabs is a project of tsf...
[05:07] <highvoltage> Kamion: ok, just pasted here: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/JonathanCarter/UbuntuMembership
[05:07] <highvoltage> my hacks for ubuntu to make it suitable was done in my spare time, for what it's worth, my ubuntu envolvement is completely seperate from TSF.
[05:08] <sabdfl> highvoltage: is your personal interest more in edubuntu, or ubuntu?
[05:08] <Kamion> ok - I certainly saw you around a good bit in Edubuntu meetings and such
[05:08] <Kamion> +1
[05:08] <highvoltage> sabdfl: my personal interest is in solving https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/1
[05:08] <highvoltage> i would say Ubuntu,
[05:09] <Seveas> lol highvoltage :)
[05:09] <zakame> highvoltage: wtg
[05:09] <highvoltage> but I see how much Edubuntu can make a difference locally, and I want to make sure that it's a success.
[05:09] <sabdfl> +1 from me on highvoltage membership
[05:09] <highvoltage> edubuntu is a downstream interest in the project, but both are a number 1 priority in my life.
[05:09] <elmo> ack
[05:09] <Seveas> highvoltage, welcome aboard!
[05:10] <highvoltage> Seveas: thank you!
[05:10] <Belutz> highvoltage, congratz!! :-)
[05:10] <highvoltage> yes, I am extatic!
[05:10] <Seveas> MarioMeyer_, 
[05:10] <MarioMeyer_> yes
[05:10] <vuntz_> highvoltage: cool. Congratulations
[05:10] <GnuKemist> highvoltage, wtg!!!
[05:10] <MarioMeyer_> should i go?
[05:10] <highvoltage> i should've had a web cam :)
[05:10] <Seveas> 3-line intro please
[05:10] <highvoltage> thanks a lot everyone. 
[05:10] <MarioMeyer_> I've been using linux for approximately 11 years (since 1994) and i have always tried to participate as much as i could on the communities i belonged to. However,  staying active was something dificult to do, for there were always a great deal of obstacles and prejudice within the community. It was only when I found out about  Ubuntu-BR, that I found myself. I had opportunities to participate and help, all without any prejudice from the older me
[05:10] <MarioMeyer_> produce more and more. My goal is to be able to give back to the free software community all that it has already given me.
[05:10] <MarioMeyer_> In the brazillian community ive helped with translations and the LoCoTeam's planet.. I have also helped new users on IRC and on the maillist. Now im working on a new Planet clone (written in PHP - PHPlanet) to meet the needs of the LoCoTeam.
[05:10] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ok time to pile up karma points again
[05:10] <smurf> MarioMeyer_: 500 char per line limit
[05:10] <MarioMeyer_> sorry
[05:10] <rbelem> MarioMeyer_: good luck dude
[05:10] <smurf> your first line was cut off
[05:10] <highvoltage> i'm also 10 minutes late for a local lug meeting, so i'll have to leave now, but we'll talk again later, guys!
[05:10] <highvoltage> cheers.
[05:11] <MarioMeyer_> I've been using linux for approximately 11 years (since 1994) and i have always tried to participate as much as i could on the communities i belonged to. However,  staying active was something dificult to do, for there were always a great deal of obstacles and prejudice within the community. It was only when I found out about  Ubuntu-BR, that I found myself
[05:11] <sabdfl> highvoltage: keep up the good work
[05:11] <MarioMeyer_> I had opportunities to participate and help, all without any prejudice from the older members. The community stimulates me to
[05:11] <MarioMeyer_> produce more and more. My goal is to be able to give back to the free software community all that it has already given me.
[05:11] <Seveas> MarioMeyer_, once is enough :)
[05:11] <GnuKemist> hehe
[05:11] <MarioMeyer_> sorry again
[05:11] <smurf> Seveas: it was cut off, remember? ;-)
[05:12] <GnuKemist> Mario Meyer has been extremelly involved with the Brazilian community
[05:12] <GnuKemist> and effort of translating too
[05:13] <Seveas> MarioMeyer_, either your wikipage is outdated or you recently joined the team
[05:13] <GnuKemist> he has single-handly take off with the Planeta Brasil
[05:13] <sabdfl> MarioMeyer_: what's your launchpad home page?
[05:13] <MarioMeyer_> http://launchpad.net/people/MarioMeyer
[05:13] <Kamion> what was the impetus behind PHPlanet (rather than hacking on Planet)?
[05:13] <rbelem> GnuKemist and MarioMeyer_ are ottwo of the most active ubuntu-br members
[05:13] <MarioMeyer_> Seveas > its not long i joined the team
[05:14] <MarioMeyer_> Kamion > we had requests like searching trough old planet posts
[05:14] <sabdfl> https://launchpad.net/people/mariomeyer
[05:14] <MarioMeyer_> and planetplanet wouldnt do that
[05:14] <GnuKemist> actually, Mario started working before he officially joined the team
[05:14] <Kamion> ah, right, yeah, I can see that being non-trivial
[05:14] <Seveas> MarioMeyer_, membership is a recognition of sustained and significant contributions
[05:15] <MarioMeyer_> and also we would like a multi-admin planet... planetplanet needs shell access to admin..
[05:15] <Seveas> your current contribution is significant, but for the sustained to show that would take more time imho
[05:15] <MarioMeyer_> thats ok
[05:16] <sabdfl> MarioMeyer_: are you a member of the official translation team? i see you making lots of suggestions, but not many are approved?
[05:16] <MarioMeyer_> yes i am
[05:16] <sabdfl> seems odd given that you are in ubuntu-l10n-pt-br
[05:16] <MarioMeyer_> i made a lot of sugestions befor being approved in the team
[05:16] <GnuKemist> maybe he marked his suggestion to be reviewed?
[05:17] <sabdfl> ah, ok
[05:17] <Seveas> MarioMeyer_, when exactly where you approved?
[05:17] <MarioMeyer_> about a month ago.. or maybe 2 or 3 weeks more then that
[05:19] <Kamion> if my network would STAY UP
[05:19] <sabdfl> MarioMeyer_: can you think of any specific low hanging fruit for dapper that would help ubuntu-br?
[05:20] <MarioMeyer_> i didnt get your question.. maybe my english...
[05:20] <Kamion> low hanging fruit => easy things to fix
[05:20] <rbelem> sabdfl: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/WorkflowForTranslationTeams
[05:21] <MarioMeyer_> i think that most brazillians that use US_intl keyboards have the same problem as I.. we are used to C cedil being typed as c
[05:21] <MarioMeyer_> and in the keymaps for US_intl, its Alt(GR)+comma
[05:22] <MarioMeyer_> most brazillians get lost with that...
[05:22] <sabdfl> MarioMeyer_: how can we fix that?
[05:22] <MarioMeyer_> we have had that question over and over on irc and maillist...
[05:23] <MarioMeyer_> sabdfl > ive been trying to do it in /usr/share/X11/locale/
[05:23] <MarioMeyer_> it works for xfce.. but hasnt worked for gnome yet
[05:23] <sabdfl> have you spoken with seb128?
[05:23] <MarioMeyer_> nope
[05:24] <sabdfl> or with smurf? keymaps are a long-standing problem area
[05:24] <sabdfl> chat with them
[05:24] <sabdfl> +1 from me on MarioMeyer_ for membership
[05:24] <MarioMeyer_> ok.. i will
[05:25] <GnuKemist> I don't think I have to mention that I'm his fanboy, right?  ;)
[05:25] <Kamion> I'm also +1; although he only joined teams relatively recently it seems that he's been contributing for a while
[05:25] <Seveas> GnuKemist, no ;)
[05:25] <GnuKemist> ;)
[05:26] <Seveas> elmo, ?
[05:26] <bhuvan> GnuKemist: you each other, true :)
[05:26] <GnuKemist> hehe
[05:26] <GnuKemist> I'm telling you guys, MarioMeyer_ IS the REAL deal
[05:26] <GnuKemist> the fuel the Brazilian LoCo team needs
[05:26] <elmo> ack
[05:27] <rbelem> GnuKemist: ;-)
[05:27] <rbelem> MarioMeyer_: wb
[05:27] <MarioMeyer_> yes.. thanx a lot, guys
[05:27] <Belutz> MarioMeyer_, congratz :-)
[05:27] <Seveas> MarioMeyer_, welcome aboard!
[05:27] <Seveas> zoe, you're up next
[05:27] <zakame> MarioMeyer_: cheers! :D
[05:27] <sabdfl> welcome to the community, MarioMeyer_
[05:27] <GnuKemist> MarioMeyer_, you go man!!!
[05:27] <zoe> yes
[05:27] <Seveas> Hiroyuki Ikezoe
[05:27] <hub> MarioMeyer_: congrats
[05:28] <jsgotangco> wow what time is it there zoe, 2am?
[05:28] <zoe> can i start?
[05:28] <Seveas> yes please
[05:28] <zoe> it's 1:30 am
[05:28] <vuntz_> MarioMeyer_: congrats
[05:28] <zoe> My name is Hiroyuki Ikezoe, I'm 33 years old, living in Japan.
[05:28] <zoe> I am an employee of OSS company in Japan.
[05:28] <Kamion> right, please can we move faster
[05:28] <zoe> I am also a developer of some OSS. please see my Wiki.
[05:28] <zoe> I have some Panasonic laptops, so I can test Ubuntu on these machines,
[05:28] <zoe> I can help mjg59, I think. I also have knowledge about i18n. I can contribute about it.
[05:29] <zoe> oops. sorry, it's my first time to use IRC.
[05:29] <sabdfl> zoe: have you published any of your laptop test results?
[05:29] <zoe> I posted some bug is bugzilla.
[05:29] <Kamion> zoe: could you propose yourself for membership of http://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers
[05:30] <jsgotangco> zoe: you might want to contribute to the LaptopTestingTeam wiki page for your breezy results :)
[05:30] <zakame> tc GnuKemist :)
[05:30] <sabdfl> ok, it would be good if you could add a page to the wiki, with your laptop testing results
[05:30] <zoe> jsgotangco: yes, but It's not in time.
[05:30] <zoe> sabdfl: ok. I'll do it.
[05:31] <zoe> I mean the time is breezy relesing.
[05:32] <jsgotangco> zoe: its ok the testing team will continue on till dapper+1 really
[05:32] <Seveas> it'll have to :)
[05:32] <zoe> jsgotangco: Thanks. I see.
[05:32] <Seveas> zoe, are you active in ubuntu-jp?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> zoe: so baseline breezy results are a good indicator
[05:33] <zoe> Seveas: yes, I am a member of ubuntu-jp.
[05:34] <sabdfl> zoe: do you know jkbys?
[05:34] <zoe> yes. he  is my collegue.
[05:34] <jkbys> Seveas: zoe is one of active member of ubuntu-ja.
[05:34] <zoe> colleague
[05:34] <sabdfl> ok. jkbys, if you can confirm that the two... right
[05:35] <Kamion> +1 on zoe then
[05:35] <zoe> Kamion: thanks.
[05:35] <sabdfl> zoe: for some reason i feel that i would like to see contributions over a longer time
[05:35] <zoe> To tell the truth. I asked jkbys to comming tonight CC. :-)
[05:36] <sabdfl> have you worked with jkbys on the ubuntu-japan ISO?
[05:36] <sabdfl> ok
[05:36] <sabdfl> it just looks on the wiki like jkbys has done a lot more, but i see you have been working together
[05:36] <sabdfl> +1 from me for zoe too
[05:36] <zoe> sabdfl: yes. I and jkbys work together to create ISO.
[05:36] <sabdfl> elmo: ?
[05:37] <elmo> ack
[05:37] <Seveas> zoe, congratz!
[05:37] <Belutz> zoe, congrats :-)
[05:37] <Seveas> jkbys, you're up now
[05:37] <jsgotangco> yay
[05:37] <zakame> zoe: cheers! :D
[05:37] <zoe> wow! Thanks!
[05:38] <Seveas> jkbys, i'm pretty interested in your NX work, do you use freenx on breezy?
[05:38] <zoe> jkbys good lcuk!
[05:38] <jkbys> zoe mainly works for source-code level debugging, and lap-top feature.
[05:38] <Kamion> I had a brief look at ubuntu-jp - of course the more we can merge from that into Ubuntu proper, the better
[05:38] <jkbys> Seveas: yes, i'm using freenx on breezy.
[05:38] <Seveas> jkbys, self mafe packages?
[05:38] <Kamion> most of the installer stuff looked like it should be a preseed file on the CD rather than an extra installer package
[05:39] <jkbys> Seveas: yes, i made freenx package patched japanese input and keyboard.
[05:39] <Kamion> If zoe adds himself on launchpad then I'll approve him - otherwise chances are I'll forget
[05:39] <zoe> can i join the conversation?
[05:40] <Seveas> jkbys, which NX/FreeNX version?
[05:40] <zoe> Kamion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HiroyukiIkezoe this is my launchpad page.
[05:40] <Seveas> zoe, no that is the wiki
[05:40] <zakame> zoe: that's the wiki page, not LP's
[05:40] <Seveas> zoe, launchpad is http://launchpad.net
[05:40] <zoe> oops! sorry. https://launchpad.net/people/ikezoe this.
[05:41] <sabdfl> gotcha
[05:41] <jkbys> Seveas: 0.4.4+0.4.5 imported from kanotix package
[05:41] <Seveas> ah cool
[05:41] <sabdfl> zoe: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join
[05:41] <sabdfl> you need to join there, and ping us quickly
[05:41] <Seveas> I have the same packages - there has been interest from the motu about getting them into universe (dholbach iirc)
[05:41] <sabdfl> who's next?
[05:41] <Seveas> sabdfl, jkbys 
[05:41] <zoe> sabdfl: I will try now
[05:42] <sabdfl> in that case, +1 from me on jkbys based on Loco and Japan ISO
[05:42] <Seveas> jkbys, what's your opinion on the kanotix packages and are you willing to join the motu to improve them?
[05:42] <Kamion> jkbys: we'd really like you to work with us to get all this stuff merged properly
[05:42] <zoe> sabdfl: I did it.
[05:42] <Kamion> I didn't realise that Ubuntu Japan even existed before this week
[05:43] <jkbys> Seveas: yes, I hope to add japanese patch
[05:43] <jsgotangco> the work is pretty impressive aye
[05:43] <elmo> jkbys: your hackergotchi in launchpad rocks
[05:43] <sabdfl> Kamion: i will approve zoe
[05:43] <Seveas> jkbys, contact dholbach - he'll love you :)
[05:43] <jkbys> Kamion: thanks, if our work is merged, we'll happy
[05:44] <zoe> I'll also happy.
[05:44] <Kamion> jkbys: right, if you work with the core development team on that that's probably the best plan
[05:45] <jkbys> Seveas: i'll contact him
[05:45] <jkbys> Kamion: i see, thanks
[05:46] <Kamion> er, yeah, +1 on jkbys
[05:47] <Seveas> ok, one more vote and the meeting is over :)
[05:47] <elmo> ack
[05:47] <Seveas> jkbys, welcome aboard!
[05:47] <zoe> jkbys: congrats!
[05:47] <sabdfl> zoe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[05:47] <Belutz> jkbys, congrats :-)
[05:48] <jkbys> thanks all
[05:48] <Seveas> Let ubuntu rock Japan!
[05:48] <sabdfl> well done both of you
[05:48] <zakame> jkbys: cheers :D
[05:48] <jkbys> i'm happy
[05:48] <sabdfl> very glad to see ubuntu getting some love in japan!
[05:48] <Seveas> I'll send a summary of this meeting to ubuntu-devel soon-ish
[05:48] <zoe> sabdfl: thank you for your information. I'll do it tomorrow.
[05:48] <jsgotangco> wow meeting is almost 3 hours...
[05:48] <Seveas> 2.5
[05:48] <Seveas> the CC arrived late :)
[05:49] <zakame> hihi
[05:49] <jsgotangco> pretty good coverage still
[05:49] <zoe> I gonna sleep. it's about 2am in Japan.
[05:49] <Seveas> 'night
[05:49] <jsgotangco> me too
[05:49] <zakame> zoe: nice dreams :D
[05:49] <zoe> see you, see you tomorrow, jkbys.
[05:50] <sabdfl> ok, i think we are done, right?
[05:50] <zakame> me three, old folks are now angry :p
[05:50] <sabdfl> any other business?
[05:50] <Seveas> sabdfl, yes
[05:50] <Seveas> ah nvm, mpathy is gone
[05:50] <zakame> just quit a while back
[05:51] <jsgotangco> errr i got question first
[05:51] <sabdfl> let's give him a minute
[05:51] <sabdfl> i'm curious
[05:51] <sabdfl> jsgotangco: go ahead
[05:51] <jsgotangco> who controls the dns for ubuntu-nn.org domains?
[05:51] <Seveas> smurf
[05:51] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:51] <zakame> wb dholbach 
[05:51] <jsgotangco> we got ourselves a serverpronto and willing to share with other loco teams
[05:51] <Seveas> jsgotangco, announce that on the locoteam-contacs list :)
[05:51] <jsgotangco> (hno73 set it up a few weeks ago)
[05:52] <jsgotangco> okay
[05:52] <jsgotangco> tee hee
[05:52] <zakame> yes, there was even a meet at ubuntu-ph on how to work our site :D
[05:52] <jsgotangco> ok we'll just holler at locoteam list
[05:54] <Seveas> so, nothing else?
[05:54] <Seveas> nothing but silence :)
[05:55] <Seveas> I'm gonna go cook dinner
[05:55] <Seveas> next meeting: nov. 22 22:00 UTC
[05:55] <Belutz> Seveas, thanks :-)
[05:55] <sabdfl> ok
[05:55] <sabdfl> thanks all
[05:55] <jsgotangco> night
[05:55] <Belutz> sabdfl, Kamion, Thanks
[05:55] <sabdfl> cheerio
[05:55] <zakame> thanks sabdfl 
[05:55] <sabdfl> well done new members
[05:55] <zakame> night all :D
[05:55] <Belutz> elmo, thanks :)
[05:55] <Seveas> note to all new members: freenode cloaks are available ;)
[05:56] <Belutz> Seveas, how do i get that? :-)
[05:56] <jsgotangco> ask :)
[05:56] <Seveas> Belutz, by /msg'ing me
[06:15] <MarioMeyer> Seveas > can you turn on my cloak?
[06:15] <MarioMeyer> plz
[06:24] <mpathy> back again
[06:25] <mpathy> meeting over? right? ;)
[06:27] <\sh> jepp
[06:28] <mpathy> tja ich bin gefahren wie ein henker :( naja war auch nicht so wichtig das von mir
[06:29] <\sh> what?
[06:29] <Seveas> MarioMeyer, should be done
[06:30] <Seveas> mpathy, we were all puzzled about your item
[06:30] <MarioMeyer> thx
[06:30] <mpathy> oh sorry ;) i've got to drive home from work...
[06:30] <Seveas> can you elaborate a bit more so I can put that on the agenda for next time
[06:31] <mpathy> Seveas: yeah sure, that was sth. I wanted to say too..
[06:31] <mpathy> Seveas: perhaps I was a little to rash to put that on the agenda
[06:34] <Seveas> mpathy, but what do you mean with 'will ubuntu get lost in pseudoforks'?
[06:35] <Seveas> Ubuntu is made and improvd to be easy to derive from using for instance the metapackages
[06:35] <Seveas> although it should be made more clear how these things work
[06:35] <mpathy> Oh, what I wanna talk about.. hmm, about the ubuntu/kubuntu/(xubuntu) "issue" - that was the thing with the "pseudoforks" <- i hope that was not to provocative
[06:36] <Seveas> it was not (at least to me)
[06:36] <Seveas> but it's not an issue for the CC
[06:36] <Seveas> If you want to discuss this, the right place would be the ubuntu-devel mailinglist
[06:37] <mpathy> okay.. but it was more like a "roadmap" thing..
[06:37] <mpathy> only wanted to start a little discussion at the end of the meeting, i think..
[06:37] <mpathy> but it was too rash to put it on the list
[06:39] <Seveas> still not a CC issue :)
[06:39] <Seveas> the CC only handles community related business
[06:39] <mpathy> but that has impact on the community?
[06:40] <Seveas> it is primarily a technical issue
[06:40] <mpathy> i'm no developer
[06:40] <mpathy> i didnt mean it from the technical side
[06:41] <Seveas> Maybe you can write down your concerns on a wikipage and link to that from the agenda
[06:42] <mpathy> yes that would be the best idea.. :)
[06:42] <mpathy> I'll do it so
[06:43] <Seveas> great
[06:44] <mpathy> i hope that I offend nobody, I think I have a little Mr. Know-it-all "wouldnt it be better" quirk ;)
[07:01] <Kamion> mpathy: we call those "flavours", and we think they're a good thing :)
[07:02] <Kamion> note that at present they're all built out of the same archive, so we share fixes by definition
[07:12] <mpathy> Kamion: I know.. I'll have to write down what I mean
[07:14] <mpathy> its more a philosophical thing.. no technical thing ;)