[12:26] <\sh> moins
[12:27] <slomo> hi \sh :) how was your flight?
[12:27] <\sh> good...but missed my connection flight from ffm to cgn and they lost my luggage then
[12:28] <LaserJock> yikes!
[12:28] <Lathiat> heh nice
[12:28] <Lathiat> win 13
[12:29] <slomo> \sh: completly lost or did it already show up again?
[12:30] <\sh> it was found couple of hours later
[12:31] <slomo> oh, at least some luck
[12:33] <slomo> hmm, brb
[01:13] <hub> how to I mark launchpad bugs in package changelogs?
[01:36] <LaserJock> how do you get a man page installed using dh_installman?
[01:36] <hub> LaserJock: you use cdbs, don't you?
[01:37] <LaserJock> hub: I'm not using cdbs
[01:39] <LaserJock> do you have to specify where the man page is?
[01:40] <dredg> SYNOPSIS
[01:40] <dredg>        dh_installman [debhelper options]  [manpage ...] 
[01:40] <dredg> i hate to say 'rtfm' but...
[01:40] <LaserJock> dredg: been there, done that, still confused
[01:41] <dredg> really? looks pretty self-evident to me
[01:41] <dredg> You tell it what man pages go in your packages, and it figures out where to install them based on the section field in their .TH line.
[01:41] <dredg> and the above synopsis pretty much says 'use: dh_installman manpage'
[01:42] <LaserJock> dredg: no, you specify if you don't want to have a man page installed
[01:42] <dredg> if you don't want to have a man page installed then surely you don't run dh_installman?
[01:43] <LaserJock> crap, I was looking at dh_installmanpages not dh_installman
[01:45] <dredg> see the Notes bit at the end of the dh_installman manpage
[01:46] <LaserJock> dang, still not working
[01:46] <dredg> no?
[01:46] <LaserJock> ok, I have my man page in /debian , is that ok?
[01:51] <dredg> don't think so
[01:52] <LaserJock> maybe the man page has to be in the source directory
[01:52] <LaserJock> darn
[02:14] <LaserJock> ugghh, why won't it install a man page?
[02:16] <crimsun> is the .TH section correctly formatted?
[02:16] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure it is
[02:17] <LaserJock> I compared mine with the one for less and it seemed right
[02:17] <crimsun> make a package.manpages, then
[02:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, that worked. sweet
[02:21] <hub> can someone review this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=876
[02:21] <hub> it does fix a malone bug
[02:22] <LaserJock> crimsun: does that mean I did something wrong or dh_installman couldn't figure out that my man page was a man page?
[02:24] <crimsun> LaserJock: if the man page isn't installed explicitly, you'd have to use dh_installman path/to/foo.1 -p package
[02:24] <crimsun> or something similar
[02:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: but is it ok to have package.manpages in /debian ?
[02:28] <crimsun> LaserJock: are they upstream's or debian's?
[02:28] <crimsun> hub: that -data version dependency looks sketchy
[02:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: I made the man page myself
[02:29] <zakame> morning all :)
[02:29] <crimsun> LaserJock: then having debian/package.section is fine, yes
[02:30] <crimsun> doesn't have to be package.section, of course, but whatever your binary's name is
[02:30] <hub> crimsun: the -data does have the glade files and 2.0.x does not have the same set
[02:30] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, well I made a patch to put it in the source directory because I thought it might have to go there
[02:30] <LaserJock> crimsun: and then have package.manpages
[02:30] <hub> crimsun: that's why. I'm just fixing the package from Debian
[02:30] <crimsun> LaserJock: nope, leave it in debian/ if it's yours
[02:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok
[02:32] <crimsun> hub: but why does glabels have this: Depends: glabels-data (<= ${Source-Version}) ?
[02:33] <crimsun> hub: i.e., a dependency on a -data _lower_ that what you're trying to install?
[02:33] <crimsun> s/that/than/
[02:33] <hub> crimsun: it had
[02:34] <zakame> hmmm glabels :)
[02:34] <hub> crimsun: don't know. it is how it came from Debian
[02:35] <zakame> crimsun: it's lower than or equal, actually, probably because -data doesn't change very much
[02:36] <crimsun> which means if you have Breezy's -data installed, it won't be upgraded. Is that the intent?
[02:36] <zakame> seems so
[02:37] <zakame> however, if changes are made to -data, iirc upstream should be notified about it
[02:38] <hub> crimsun: if it is not upgraded it does not work
[02:38] <hub> crimsun: bug 3993 in malone
[02:38] <hub> crimsun: because the .glade are in the -data
[02:39] <hub> maybe the .glabe shoudln't be in there. I just fixed quickly
[02:40] <crimsun> hub: then the <= is wrong
[02:41] <zakame> should then be (= ${Source-Version})
[02:42] <crimsun> the <= makes it so that having glabels-data 2.0.2-3 installed allows a upgrade of glabels from 2.0.2-3 to 2.1.1-2
[02:42] <crimsun> without an accompanying upgrade of glabels-data
[02:42] <crimsun> 2.1.1-1, sorry
[02:42] <hub> crimsun: gah.... the control on REVU is not the one I have in my Emacs buffer
[02:42] <hub> crimsun: weird
[02:42] <zakame> hub: hihi
[02:43] <LaserJock> how do you get dput to include the .orig.tar.gz?
[02:43] <zakame> LaserJock: it should, unless its already uploaded, if that's the case, then its a dput -f ...
[02:44] <LaserJock> zakame: didn't work for me
[02:44] <hub> crimsun: I'll upload it again
[02:45] <crimsun> LaserJock: -sa need to be passed to dpkg-buildpackage
[02:45] <crimsun> needs^
[02:45] <hub> I know why
[02:45] <crimsun> sorry, my wifi connection is extremely lagged
[02:45] <hub> stupid control.in
[02:47] <hub> crimsun: the package I had uploaded didn't have the change
[02:47] <hub> :-/
[02:47] <crimsun> ok
[03:05] <zakame> wb bmonty
[03:05] <bmonty> hi everyone
[03:05] <bmonty> hi zakame
[03:12] <zul> evening
[03:13] <crimsun> lo zul
[03:13] <zakame> hey zul
[03:15] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:15] <zakame> wb bddebian
[03:15] <bddebian> How's it going bmonty ?
[03:15] <bddebian> Hello zakame
[03:16] <bmonty> bddebian: good, I got a new family member since I talked to you last :)
[03:16] <bddebian> Oh yeah?
[03:16] <bddebian> Boy or girl?
[03:16] <bmonty> bddebian: boy
[03:16] <bddebian> Cool, congrats
[03:16] <bmonty> thankfully!
[03:16] <bmonty> thanks
[03:17] <bddebian> Thankfully?  Heh, I got 3 girls :-)
[03:17] <zakame> bmonty: wow, congrats :)
[03:17] <bmonty> bddebian: yeah, I'm not sure I want a girl based on what the guys I work with tell me about their daughters
[03:18] <bmonty> zakame: thanks :)
[03:18] <bddebian> bmonty: Aye ;-)
[03:20] <bmonty> brb
[03:22] <crimsun> boys and girls are handfuls in their own ways, heh
[03:22] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[03:22] <crimsun> heya bddebian, how're things?
[03:22] <bddebian> Busy :-(
[03:22] <crimsun> yeah, I hear that
[03:23] <bddebian> This "work" stuff is for the birds :-)
[03:24] <crimsun> :-)
[03:28] <dredg> come work here :) we get fed. and beered. and stuff.
[03:31] <crimsun> (might I add that it's darned difficult to work for that company...)
[03:32] <bddebian> dredg: Well hire me then :-)
[03:32] <dredg> bddebian: send me your resume/cv
[03:33] <bddebian> Bah, I have no sk1llz ;-)
[03:33] <crimsun> better hide your karma then :p
[03:34] <ajmitch> evening
[03:34] <crimsun> lo ajmitch
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:34] <bddebian> crimsun: I haven't gotten any karma in like 3 weeks :'-(
[03:34] <bddebian> So how was UBZ?
[03:35] <ajmitch> oh, it was ok
[03:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: got any more laptops? ;)
[03:35] <zakame> hi ajmitch
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: I still have the one I was gonna send ya.  Why? :-)
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: And why just OK?
[03:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: because mine was stolen
[03:36] <zakame> ajmitch: stolen?
[03:36] <ajmitch> yes
[03:36] <ajmitch> that is what I said
[03:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: :'-(
[03:37] <zakame> ajmitch: awww
[03:37] <zul> crappy hotel security
[03:37] <bmonty> damn, I thought the ajmitch sticker on the bottom of the laptop I just bought off ebay was a coincidence
[03:37] <Kyral> mwahaha
[03:37] <ajmitch> heh
[03:38] <zakame> wb hunger
[03:41] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[03:41] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[03:41] <zakame> wb LaserJock
[03:41] <LaserJock> aren't you supposed to get an email after you upload to REVU?
[03:43] <bmonty> I don't think so, it just shows up on the page
[03:43] <zakame> I've done an upload twice now, and I haven't received any email yet
[03:43] <zakame> bbl
[03:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: btw I'm at a friend's place in the US
[03:44] <ajmitch> not too far from you, anyway ;)
[03:44] <bddebian> Oh no, not the EVIL US ;-P
[03:44] <bddebian> Whereabouts?
[03:45] <ajmitch> NY
[03:45] <LaserJock> bddebian: Hi! haven't seen you around for a while ;-)
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock .  I know been stuck in RL job :-(
[03:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: Cool, so when you coming by? :-)
[03:46] <LaserJock> does each upload to REVU have to have a new version number?
[03:46] <bddebian> LaserJock: I dunno :-(
[03:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: well since my wallet was stolen too, I'm a little short on $$ :P
[03:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Here or in Canuckistan?
[03:47] <Kyral> yo
[03:47] <zul> ajmitch: dude you are full of bad luck
[03:47] <ajmitch> the restaurant at the end of the^W^W^Whotel
[03:47] <ajmitch> zul: it was in the laptop bag, with my camera also
[03:47] <Arrogance> we don't have theft in Canada.  It must've been a US tourist
[03:47] <ajmitch> I was just 1 of 3 to have theirs stolen :)
[03:48] <Kyral> ....why is everyone looking at me
[03:48] <Kyral> ;P
[03:48] <bddebian> Man, that sucks
[03:48] <bddebian> Hello Kyral
[03:48] <ajmitch> because you took off awfully quickly
[03:48] <Kyral> I had an EXAM the next day!
[03:48] <ajmitch> no excuse
[03:49] <Kyral> Damn good excuse when you consider its the class I'm doing worse in
[03:55] <Kyral> Hey bddebian, long time no see
[03:59] <Kyral> LaserJock, can you have the FlowDevelop devs email me?
[04:06] <LaserJock> Kyral: do you want something from them?
[04:06] <Kyral> Nah just want to open the channel :P
[04:07] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok
[04:08] <Kyral> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1931514941/qid=1131419259/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-5872496-2897745?v=glance&s=books <---YEA!
[04:11] <Kyral> hmm, 10 bucks a book, and 14 volumes...
[04:12] <Kyral> hmm :D
[04:12] <Kyral> Its the ultimate sign of respect for me to actually buy something I already downloaded :D
[04:14] <bmonty> is that cartoon pr0n or something?
[04:15] <Kyral> Nah
[04:15] <Kyral> very Ecchi, but not Hentai
[04:15] <Kyral> Its Manga
[04:15] <Kyral> Love Hina ranks around one of my favs :D
[04:16] <Kyral> Along with Rurouni Kenshin, and the 30 year old Gundam metaseries
[04:23] <LaserJock> what kind of things can you do when you log in to REVU?
[04:24] <bmonty> LaserJock: make comments on your own uploads
[04:25] <Kyral> Yah I need help with that POS Gnome-RDP program
[04:35] <LaserJock> well, I made my first upload to REVU today.
[04:36] <bmonty> nice, which package?
[04:36] <bddebian> LaserJock: Nice
[04:36] <LaserJock> but I haven't gotten an email so I can't make comments. Hopefully that will happen sometime soon
[04:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: How long you going to be in NY?
[04:36] <LaserJock> plotdrop
[04:36] <Kyral> Really Mitch is gonna be in my state?
[04:36] <bmonty> LaserJock: just type your email with no password in the logon and the use the password recovery link
[04:36] <Kyral> ooooo
[04:36] <LaserJock> bmonty: ahhh
[04:37] <Kyral> Swing by Potsdam NY on your way south :D
[04:39] <LaserJock> bmonty: thanks, that worked like a charm ;-)
[04:39] <bmonty> LaserJock: np
[04:39] <bmonty> that stumped me for awhile until someone told me how :)
[04:39] <LaserJock> now I just need some reviewers to look at it *hint*
[04:40] <Kyral> yah and at FlowDevelop
[04:40] <Kyral> then the MOTUScience team can have its first Releases :D
[04:41] <LaserJock> Kyral: slomo said he was going to look at it
[04:41] <Kyral> Yah but I'm impatient ;P
[04:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: going to be around the state until the 14th or so
[04:42] <LaserJock> well, I know that the MOTU are really busy coming from UBZ and probably have better things to do. But it sure would be nice
[04:42] <Kyral> yah ;P
[04:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hmm, I should try to get the lappy to you while you are here, it would be easier.
[05:03] <Kyral> I so love developement cycles
[05:03] <Kyral> multiple updates a day, you never know what may break next. Keeps life fun :D
[05:04] <bmonty> good night everyone
[05:04] <Kyral> cya
[05:11] <LaserJock> yeah?
[05:11] <Kyral> Check out the Lintain data for your package
[05:12] <LaserJock> yeah?
[05:12] <Kyral> You can fix it by setting standards version in control to 3.6.2
[05:13] <LaserJock> what about the second one?
[05:13] <LaserJock> build-depends-without-arch-dep
[05:13] <Kyral> and changing arch to "any"
[05:13] <Kyral> or all
[05:13] <Kyral> whichever it isn't now ;P
[05:13] <Kyral> any
[05:14] <LaserJock> yeah, ok cool
[05:14] <LaserJock> I gotta go now. I will c you all later
[05:14] <LaserJock> thanks for the heads up Kyral. i will email the FlowDesigner devs for you
[05:15] <Kyral> I get the pain in the arse NMU errors
[05:23] <crimsun> Kyral: those NMUs are safely ignored
[05:52] <Kyral> What bothers me more is the lintain errors being generated at the build stage
[05:53] <minghua> lintian errors at build stage?
[05:53] <Kyral> or like after it was built
[05:54] <Kyral> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=872
[05:54] <Kyral> checkout the Lintian entry at the bottom
[05:55] <Kyral> I think its generating a lib that I wasn't expecting
[05:57] <minghua> Kyral: wow, that's a _lot_ of lintian warnings
[05:57] <minghua> Kyral: W: flowdesigner: unknown-section dev
[05:57] <Kyral> yah
[05:57] <Kyral> but look what was generating most of them
[05:57] <minghua> Kyral: this one is easy to fix, it should be either devel or libdevel
[05:57] <Kyral> its making a library
[05:58] <Kyral> that I wasn't expecting
[05:58] <Kyral> E: flowdesigner: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libflow-0.9.so
[05:59] <Kyral> Anyway I have to go to bed
[05:59] <Kyral> 8 AM class
[05:59] <Kyral> if anyone has any tips on how to fix it, leave it in the Review area for the package
[08:13] <pef> hello
[08:15] <minghua> hi pef
[08:24] <zakame> hello
[08:31] <poningru> hey
[08:31] <zakame> what's up?
[09:55] <zyga> hello
[10:16] <zakame> make hell.o all
[11:10] <zakame> wb hunger
[11:11] <lucas> zyga: you subscribed to the debian-ruby ml ?
[11:13] <zyga> lucas: no I was busy lately and I do little FOSS stuff
[11:13] <zyga> lucas: can you fwd me the mailing addr so that I can subscribe?
[11:18] <lucas> debian-ruby@lists.debian.org
[11:18] <lucas> go to http://lists.debian.org
[11:24] <lucas> zyga: what's your email ?
[11:24] <lucas> I'll Cc you on sthing rubygems-related
[11:25] <Lathiat> lathi<t@bur.st tooplease
[11:25] <zyga> thanks
[11:25] <Lathiat> err
[11:25] <Lathiat> lathiat@bur.st
[11:27] <lucas> mail sent
[11:40] <zyga> lucas: got it, thanks
[12:34] <janimo> hello all
[01:25] <hunger> seb128: And already back on IRC. That is true commitment!
[01:26] <\sh> siretart: ping
[01:31] <pef> can someone have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=868 ?
[01:32] <freeflying> pef:what's the matter
[01:33] <pef> freeflying: just having a look for errors I haven't see
[01:35] <freeflying> pefdoublecheck that the most recent entry in the changelog
[01:36] <pef> freeflying: seems ok for me
[01:38] <freeflying> pef:dose mixxx included in debian
[01:39] <pef> freeflying: yep, but not yet in Ubuntu
[01:40] <freeflying> pef:would you mind me to reaad your changelog file
[01:40] <zakame> hi all :D
[01:40] <zakame> can somebody revu my package? :)
[01:40] <pef> zakame: url maybe ? :D
[01:41] <zakame> pef: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=863
[01:42] <\sh> MERGING TIME
[01:42] <pef> zakame: the diff file contains autotools-dev stuff :/ (Makefile.in, aclocal.m4, etc), and it shouldn't
[01:42] <zakame> pef: of course, I updated it :)
[01:43] <zakame> pef: its a NEW package, so I have the luxury of building ./debian and updating from scratch :)
[01:43] <slomo_> \sh: are bugreports already filed by MoM?
[01:43] <slomo_> \sh: or will we got none this time?
[01:45] <\sh> slomo_: check the bugzille...search for require merging
[01:45] <slomo_> \sh: oh, yes finally... :)
[01:46] <\sh> i'm starting tomorrow with it...after I reaaranged my desk here...
[01:47] <slomo_> I'll do some everytime i have some free time ;)
[01:48] <\sh> well we don't have much time
[01:49] <slomo_> well, i have ~10 "freistunden" per week and a weekend ;)
[01:50] <Nafallo> washes and prepare for father's day first :-P
[01:51] <siretart> \sh: pong (but I'm at work right now)
[01:52] <siretart> merging bugs at bugzilla?
[01:52] <\sh> siretart: did u have a good flight back home?
[01:52] <\sh> siretart: yepp
[01:52] <siretart> \sh: yeah, it was okay. I slept the way home ;)
[01:52] <siretart> w0t
[01:52] <siretart> w00t
[01:53] <siretart> lets check the link on the wiki
[01:53] <siretart> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UPSTREAM&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=merging&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=merging&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=merging&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=merging
[01:53] <Nafallo> ouch. tinyurl -> topic? :-P
[01:53] <siretart> yepp
[01:54] <\sh> siretart: i missed my connection flight to cologne
[01:54] <siretart> \sh: fuck!
[01:54] <siretart> \sh: so what happened next?
[01:54] <\sh> siretart: and then I had to take the train (they changed the booking)
[01:54] <siretart> \sh: even better :)
[01:54] <\sh> siretart: and when I wanted to claim my luggage at cologne central station, it wasn't there...they didn't board it on the train
[01:55] <siretart> \sh: so did you get your luggage in the end?
[01:56] <siretart> Nafallo: done ;)
[01:56] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:56] <zakame> siretart: w00t
[01:57] <siretart> \sh: is it possible that this is only for main, not for universe?
[01:57] <Nafallo> ehm, is it just me or is gnome-media version 2.12.O-0ubuntu2 atm? :-P
[01:58] <\sh> siretart: does it matter for u? :)
[01:58] <siretart> \sh: I'm not in the keyring yet :/
[02:00] <\sh> siretart: only a matter of time...
[02:00] <siretart> yeah, I know
[02:00] <magnon> *yaaawn*
[02:00] <magnon> I just got up
[02:01] <zakame> hi magnon
[02:01] <magnon> funny thing is, it's now 8 in montreal
[02:01] <magnon> :(
[02:01] <siretart> morning magnon!
[02:01] <\sh> morning magnon
[02:01] <magnon> morning folks
[02:01] <\sh> lunch time btw
[02:02] <at1as> g'mornin' all
[02:03] <zakame> may I pose a motu n00b question: how does merging work? :p
[02:03] <magnon> does anybody have about 10m$ I could borrow for my competitive ubuntu applestore which I'm having great ideas for this morning? :P
[02:04] <magnon> zakame: you take 1 and 2, put them together, hope that it works
[02:04] <magnon> in this case 1 would be a debian package and 2 would be ubuntu changes
[02:04] <siretart> zakame: by comparing the ubuntu patched to what has changed in debian in that time
[02:05] <siretart> zakame: after that, you merge all patches together and prepare an upload. done
[02:06] <zakame> siretart, magnon : i see.  So changes in debian that aren't in ubuntu get merged in, and assuming all's well, the pkg is injected back into the archive.  Am I correct?
[02:06] <siretart> zakame: in principle, yes
[02:07] <magnon> you could always read the mom source code too :)
[02:07] <siretart> magnon: if you could
[02:07] <siretart> magnon: mom is part of hct, which has not been released yet
[02:07] <zakame> how about ubuntu changes that can be useful in debian?  are they forwarded to utnubu?
[02:08] <Nafallo> debian bugs
[02:09] <magnon> siretart: oh, dang. forgot
[02:09] <\sh> zakame: no..actually u have to file a bug at the debian bts..or wait until the utnubu guys grabbing the patches
[02:09] <dtf> Hey all, was wonder what the MOTU thoughts are on packaging firefox extensions and themes
[02:10] <zakame> \sh: ah
[02:10] <\sh> dtf: for this...talk to dieziet (ian jackson)
[02:10] <siretart> zakame: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge is quite helpful for this
[02:11] <zakame> siretart: checking it out, thanks :)
[02:11] <magnon> time for lunch, see you
[02:12] <dtf> sh: been talking to him I'm looking to present him with a list of pro and cons for a decision on how to handle installs/update
[02:13] <\sh> dtf: I would like to see this as well...from a developer perspective...
[02:14] <zakame> magnon, siretart, \sh : thanks :)
[02:15] <dtf> \sh: ok I'll put together a wiki page with my thoughts and open it for comments
[02:16] <\sh> dtf: right a small spec :)
[02:16] <\sh> dtf: s/right/write/
[02:16] <\sh> dtf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec
[02:16] <\sh> add this spec url to your LP account
[02:17] <dtf> \sh woohoo my first ubuntu braindump
[02:17] <\sh> dtf: good that I don't have to review it :)
[02:18] <Nafallo> siretart: how to make that list show only universe? :-)
[02:19] <siretart> Nafallo: I think there are now universe packages in that list yet
[02:19] <Nafallo> even more so then :-P
[02:19] <siretart> s/now/none at all/
[02:21] <zakame> wb all
[02:22] <\sh> ok...universe should be processed by MoM too
[02:22] <siretart> they are, but I didn't see universe bugs yet
[02:23] <\sh> yeah
[02:23] <\sh> theres no way to file the bugs for universe
[02:23] <siretart> we did for breezy
[02:24] <siretart> against the UNKNOWN component
[02:24] <\sh> btw....anyone who is interessted how MoM is looking....http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/ubz/20051031/P1000097.JPG.html
[02:24] <\sh> siretart: but this time...there is malone
[02:26] <\sh> grep http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/LOGS/mom.20051107.log for universe...
[02:28] <\sh> and http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/LOGS/mom.20051107b.log
[02:44] <hunger> Anybody got some time to look over some newbies first set of debs later tonight?
[02:44] <hunger> They are not coplete yet, but it would be nice to know whether I am on the proper track.
[02:45] <zakame> wb hunger
[02:45] <hunger> zakame: Sorry... this ISP really sucks!
[02:45] <hunger> Can't keep a connection for more than about 2h at a time:-(
[02:46] <zakame> hunger: awww
[02:48] <zakame> wb thesaltydog
[03:24] <zakame> wb pef
[03:24] <pef> :)
[03:58] <zakame> wb Tonio_
[03:58] <Tonio_> zakame: hello
[04:11] <\sh> motus, please read all ubuntu-devel-announce
[04:11] <\sh> if you are not subscribed do it NOW
[04:12] <\sh> regarding the CC meeting from today, we have to prospose at least 3 people for motu leadership to the next CC meeting
[04:12] <\sh> please read the ubuntu-devel-announce ml
[04:12] <\sh> thx
[04:12] <Yagisan> \sh: is it in the digest ?
[04:12] <zakame> ok
[04:12] <bhuvan> \sh: lighting fast
[04:12] <\sh> Yagisan: will be ...sabdfl writes a wrap up for the list
[04:13] <\sh> so actually we should hold another motu meeting soon
[04:13] <Yagisan> \sh: OK, I'll get that soon then. /me heads off to add another list to my bulging mailbox
[04:14] <Nafallo> hm
[04:15] <Nafallo> \sh: they don't like ogra and dholbach anymore? :-P
[04:15] <\sh> Nafallo: ogra and dholbach are not the formal leads of motu
[04:15] <Nafallo> ehm oki...
[04:16] <\sh> Nafallo: they were setup by sabdfl..now we need formal nominations for the official team lead
[04:16] <Nafallo> aha
[04:16] <\sh> Nafallo: everything else you should read of the post on the list
[04:16] <\sh> it has to do with membership nominations etc.
[04:16] <Nafallo> haven't got it yet :-P
[04:16] <\sh> Nafallo: it's not over yet...
[04:17] <\sh> Nafallo: it will come :)
[04:17] <zakame> wb dholbach
[04:17] <hub> hey dholbach
[04:17] <Nafallo> morning dholbach :-)
[04:17] <dholbach> hi zakame, hi everybody else
[04:17] <dholbach> Nafallo: morning... or whatever
[04:18] <dholbach> *confused*
[04:18] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:18] <\sh> dholbach: welcome back home
[04:18] <\sh> dholbach: u just missed a very important decision of the CC
[04:19] <dholbach> \sh: which one?
[04:19] <Nafallo> dholbach: they want to replace you ;-)
[04:19] <dholbach> oh nice
[04:19] <\sh> membership nominations have to be done by the TEAMs like the MOTUs...we can propose them to the CC or TB
[04:20] <\sh> but for this to happen we need a formal team lead of at least 3 ppl
[04:20] <\sh> which has to be approved by the MOTUs
[04:20] <\sh> until the next cc
[04:20] <dholbach> it's what we always did in the nominations
[04:20] <dholbach> we always suggested them as a team
[04:20] <\sh> no.
[04:20] <dholbach> everybody had his say
[04:20] <\sh> Member Nominations
[04:20] <dholbach> both
[04:20] <\sh> not MOTU upload rights
[04:20] <\sh> yes
[04:20] <dholbach> ?
[04:21] <\sh> but now, the nominations has to come from 3 ppl out of the team
[04:21] <siretart> need to go now
[04:21] <dholbach> it makes sense to formalize it
[04:21] <dholbach> but it's what we always did
[04:21] <dholbach> so it's alright for me :)
[04:21] <bhuvan> \sh: better suggest to go through the logs :)
[04:21] <\sh> bhuvan: no...I want to read it as well from sabdfl
[04:22] <siretart> dholbach: there isn't that much difference in practical. it formalizes steps in a way to faciliate the nomination by the CC
[04:22] <bhuvan> exactly
[04:22] <dholbach> yeah siretart, that's how i see it
[04:22] <Nafallo> let's see. we need 3 team leaders that can nominate people to become members at the cc?
[04:22] <\sh> a team lead of 3 lets say it like this
[04:22] <dholbach> i'd be fine with 3 people from the team
[04:22] <siretart> dholbach: but we need to fix the 3 (maybe 4) ppl who actually do the checking for the nominations
[04:23] <dholbach> (and nobody saying 'no' to the nomination)
[04:23] <siretart> "fix" in the sense of "make it fix"
[04:23] <\sh> dholbach, siretart and ajmitch ( my proposal)
[04:23] <bhuvan> interesting :)
[04:23] <dholbach> do we need "leaders" who decide on this?
[04:23] <dholbach> i shouldn't think so
[04:23] <siretart> dholbach: I thought you and ogra are the lead
[04:23] <\sh> dholbach: formalized leaders..who proposes the nomination towards the CC/TB
[04:24] <siretart> bhuvan: please deop yourself, we don't need ops here
[04:24] <Nafallo> hmm, I'll better wait for that letter :-P
[04:24] <dholbach> if we have 3 active people saying that they worked nicely with whoever the new motu is, and nobody stands up and says "no, he didnt do enough", that should suffice
[04:24] <bhuvan> ok :)
[04:24] <dholbach> siretart: his client makes the problem apparently
[04:24] <\sh> dholbach: membership..not motu upload rights
[04:24] <siretart> dholbach: so he should fix his client
[04:25] <Nafallo> \sh: as in ubuntu members, right?
[04:25] <\sh> Nafallo: yepp
[04:25] <dholbach> i don't like the idea... i trust any active motu enough to say that somebody else did enough good work
[04:25] <hunger> Is there some kind of sponsorship in ubuntu (like in debian)?
[04:25] <\sh> dholbach: too late
[04:25] <\sh> dholbach: it's already approved by CC
[04:25] <siretart> dholbach: define 'active motu'
[04:25] <zakame> hunger: no, but there is revu
[04:25] <dholbach> but everybody should feel free to say "no, not yet", if that's their opinion
[04:26] <siretart> dholbach: the proposal is about getting it more formal, you know
[04:26] <dholbach> siretart: i guess you have a gut feeling about everybody, if he's active or not
[04:26] <siretart> dholbach: yes, but a 'gut feeling' is not formal in any way
[04:26] <dholbach> i don't like policies defining a number of uploads that has to be counted
[04:27] <siretart> dholbach: neither do I
[04:27] <dholbach> "visibilitiy and activity" were always words who were good enough
[04:27] <dholbach> i absolutely don't inted to change that
[04:27] <siretart> dholbach: the point is that the CC wants to improve the current MemberNomination Process
[04:27] <dholbach> *nod* sure
[04:28] <dholbach> but numbers or rigid definitions don't help there
[04:28] <siretart> dholbach: they do help, if they are sane
[04:28] <siretart> dholbach: nobody but you mentioned 'counting uploads'
[04:29] <siretart> dholbach: the proposal was that we define a group of motus who have to decide about a nomination. thats all
[04:29] <dholbach> then please help me by giving me a "definition", i could refer to
[04:29] <siretart> dholbach: in practice, there is not much difference to the current process
[04:29] <dholbach> hm
[04:30] <siretart> the process is to be defined, not the amount of work an applicant has to do
[04:30] <siretart> ;)
[04:30] <dholbach> fuck... still no motu report
[04:30] <\sh> yes
[04:30] <\sh> me too
[04:30] <siretart> anyway, need to go now. CU tomorrow!
[04:30] <zakame> motu report?
[04:30] <dholbach> see you siretart
[04:30] <zakame> bye siretart
[04:30] <dholbach> zakame: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReport
[04:31] <zakame> dholbach: ooh
[04:32] <hub> dholbach: I have updated a couple of packages on REVU, including one to fix a bug in the Debian package
[04:32] <dholbach> hub: nice
[04:33] <hunger> How can I request an "informal" revu? The debs are by far not finished, but I'd love to get some feedback on whether I am on the proper track.
[04:33] <selinium> Hi all, Do i need to be able to code python/C++ to be useful in the MOTU?
[04:33] <zakame> selinium: desirable, but not really imho :)
[04:34] <sladen> selinium: no
[04:34] <sladen> selinium: FWIW, I hate C++ :)
[04:35] <hub> sladen: C++ is nice :-)
[04:35] <selinium> I am a 31 year old PHP programmer, I am about to start learning some python and some C++.
[04:35] <selinium> Is it better to come back to the Motu when I am better equipped?
[04:35] <hunger> selinium: IMHO the only way to learn something is by doing it.
[04:36] <dholbach> selinium: i think you can learn quite a lot "on the fly" :)
[04:36] <zakame> wb bhuvan
[04:36] <hunger> selinium: I am no motu myself, but I'll help if I can:-)
[04:36] <hub> selinium: I barely use my programming skill for packaging
[04:36] <zakame> selinium: consider it as on-the-job training :)
[04:36] <selinium> ok, how do I get onboard. I have signed the CoC and have a GPG....
[04:36] <hunger> selinium: You will learn more about shell scripting and autotools than you ever wanted to when packaging;-)
[04:37] <selinium> I have installed pbuilder
[04:37] <hub> selinium: is you key signed? :-)
[04:37] <selinium> hunuger, cool! I really want to get my shell scripting up to speed
[04:37] <selinium> hub yep
[04:38] <selinium> hub, i think so...
[04:38] <hub> keyid?
[04:38] <hunger> hub: What does he need a signed key for?
[04:38] <selinium> hub, sorry, the CoC is signed.
[04:38] <zakame> selinium: shell and makefiles come in handy :)
[04:38] <hub> hunger: authenticate the key for the CoC signature, etc
[04:38] <hunger> hub: Isen't it more important to get some debs started? After all you need something to ign:-)
[04:39] <hub> hunger: at one point it will be needed. it is not a requirement for REVU
[04:40] <selinium> hub:  6779883A   i think.  https://launchpad.net/people/selinium
[04:40] <hunger> hub My key is signed... dunno whether it is signed by anybody known to the ubuntu crowed.
[04:40] <hunger> How does revu work?
[04:41] <zakame> selinium: cool gotchi :D
[04:41] <selinium> zakame, :)
[04:41] <selinium> zakame, pixelated a bit on resizing, which is a shame :)
[04:42] <zakame> selinium: hmm, didn't notice, it's all fine by me via 1280x960 :D
[04:42] <selinium> zakame, Cool :)
[04:42] <hub> hunger: I'm pretty sur your key should be fine with the # of signatures
[04:43] <dholbach> hrm... that crazy nomination thing? was that "decided" today?
[04:43] <dholbach> i couldnt find it on the agenda
[04:44] <hunger> hub: That key was in the top50 of the most trustworthy keys for a while;-)
[04:44] <selinium> hub: is my key signed?
[04:44] <selinium> hub: how do I tell ?
[04:44] <hub> selinium: you should know if it is or not
[04:45] <hub> selinium: but I can tell it is not
[04:45] <hub> selinium: you need to meet people IRL to have it signed
[04:45] <selinium> hub: ok :)
[04:45] <hub> selinium: because they need to check you ID
[04:47] <selinium> Okay, Seveas, nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos all 'know' me from #ubuntu.
[04:47] <selinium> So what is the next step....
[04:47] <hunger> Is it possible to upload something "not meant for use" into revu?
[04:48] <dholbach> what for?
[04:48] <zakame> hunger: hmmm, you could put a comment with something to that effect, but why upload at all?
[04:48] <hunger> zakame: Because I need some feedback whether I started on the proper track.
[04:50] <zakame> hunger: do you have your own webspace? 'coz if so you could just put your debs there and prolly kindly ask the people here to take a look at it
[04:50] <hunger> zakame: I never packaged something before and Xen is a huge beast.
[04:50] <hub> selinium: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey <- explain shortly about signing
[04:50] <hunger> zakame: There is a problem;-)
[04:50] <selinium> hub Cheers :)
[04:51] <hunger> zakame: ivoks volunteered to host the stuff once it becomes useable. Dunno whether the current state already counts.
[04:52] <hunger> I got the apps, hipervisor and libs packaged. I'll start on a kernel patch deb tonight.
[04:52] <zakame> hunger: wtg ! :D
[04:53] <selinium> OK anyone near London? :)
[04:56] <hunger> Anyone got a debian kernel patch creation howto?
[04:57] <zakame> dh-kpatches
[04:58] <hunger> zakame: Thanks!
[04:58] <zakame> hunger: np ;D
[04:59] <zakame> hunger: if you use cdbs you can also take a look at quilt :)
[04:59] <hunger> zakame: I failed to grasp cdbs, so I settled for a multi.
[05:00] <hunger> zakame: Xen's build system is somewhat... inconsistent.
[05:00] <zakame> hunger: how come?
[05:00] <schweeb> cdbs is the only way to fly
[05:01] <\sh> schweeb: bah
[05:01] <hunger> zakame: It is a code dumped together by different groups.
[05:01] <zakame> hunger: gaah
[05:01] <hunger> zakame: Some use "make all" to build, some "make build" and others go for just use "make install" stupid.
[05:03] <zakame> hunger: gaah, no wonder
[05:18] <zakame> schweeb: is cdbs the only way?
[05:18] <schweeb> cdbs rocks.  it's not exactly required, but it makes life not suck so much
[05:19] <Yagisan> dholbach: me either. How can they decide on something that wasn't even mentioned it was going to be discussed ?
[05:19] <zakame> i see... I've been using Manoj's debian-dir, which according to him is inspired by cdbs
[05:35] <zakame> hmmm which MOTUTeam should I join? :)
[05:45] <zakame> wb LaserJock
[05:45] <hunger> Why would anyone BUY that?!
[05:45] <zakame> hunger: buwahaha
[05:46] <LaserJock> hi all
[05:57] <LaserJock> when the mom log says "created bug ..." where is that bug?
[05:57] <slomo> LaserJock: in bugzilla
[05:58] <slomo> LaserJock: see topic
[05:58] <LaserJock> slomo: not malone?
[05:58] <slomo> no
[05:59] <LaserJock> ok, thanks
[06:02] <\sh> LaserJock: i posted the mom logs thx to keybuk
[06:02] <\sh> LaserJock: grep for universe and we'll get a list....i'll start tomorrow working on the list
[06:03] <hub> mom, the robot oil supplier?
[06:03] <\sh> MoM Merge O Matic
[06:04] <hub> \sh: I know. was a joke
[06:04] <hub> \sh: for those who know Futurama
[06:05] <\sh> hub: i know futurama..but I don't like it...even so, i'm a big simpsons fan :)
[06:05] <LaserJock> \sh: yeah, I saw the logs, I just didn't know where the bug reports were being sent.
[06:05] <hub> \sh: my hostname is "bender"
[06:06] <hub> \sh: you know it in English or dubbed?
[06:06] <\sh> Bender is the robit
[06:06] <hub> yep
[06:06] <\sh> -it+ot
[06:06] <hub> "bite my shiny metal ass ! meatbag !"
[06:06] <hub> (that was a quote)
[06:06] <\sh> i know it only in german...the simpson I watched some seasons in english
[06:06] <hub> \sh: maybe it lose a lot dubbed :-/
[06:07] <hub> the Quebecquois version is horrible
[06:19] <slomo> Riddell: ping?
[06:20] <Riddell> slomo: hi
[06:22] <slomo> Riddell: taglib needs "merging"... or better, it can be synced with dropping ubuntu changes as debian only has cosmetic changes ;) can you take a short look at it and ask elmo for a sync? (i ask you as taglib is somewhat kde related)
[06:23] <Riddell> slomo: will do (tomorrow probably)
[06:25] <slomo> Riddell: thanks... no need to hurry... it's only for getting automated syncs again :) and i just wanted to remove some work from you
[06:25] <\sh> elmo is still at ubz
[06:38] <hub> can someone archive "http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=841"
[06:38] <hub> it is deprecated as Debian synced a more recent version
[06:38] <slomo> hub: sure
[06:38] <slomo> archived
[06:42] <hub> slomo: thx
[06:42] <hub> I may resurrect it later, I'll see
[06:42] <hub> no biggie
[07:59] <LaserJock> I don't suppose there is a MOTU with nothing to do lurking about?
[08:00] <dholbach> LaserJock: what are you exactly trying to find out?
[08:01] <LaserJock> well, I was looking for somebody to review an upload to REVU but I don't want to be obnoxious
[08:01] <dholbach> which one is it? (i can do it in some minutes)
[08:02] <LaserJock> plotdrop
[08:03] <dholbach> right
[08:03] <dholbach> do it in some minutes
[08:03] <LaserJock> thanks, I know you guys are busy
[08:08] <herve> hello
[08:08] <dholbach> hi herve
[08:20] <\sh> hmmm..
[08:20] <\sh> is berlios down?
[08:21] <slomo> yes
[08:21] <\sh> shit
[08:22] <\sh> how is the url for projects on berlios.de? (e.g. the equivalent of sf.net/projects/<projectname>
[08:23] <\sh> s/how/what/
[08:23] <Amaranth> i think it's just developer.berlios.de/projectname
[08:24] <Amaranth> i can't get to berlios.de at all right now though
[08:24] <hub> can someone archive http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=878, it has been accepted to the archive
[08:24] <herve> hub, yes
[08:25] <herve> ... or I can't...
[08:26] <hub> herve: you can't
[08:26] <hub> herve: was more for slomo, \sh, dholbach
[08:26] <herve> seems like being reviewer is not enough
[08:26] <slomo> hub: just tell me the package name in the future ;)
[08:27] <hub> slomo: sorry. glabels
[08:27] <herve> strange, it has no advocate
[08:28] <herve> *ad* advocate mine ;-)
[08:28] <slomo> hub: done ;)
[08:29] <slomo> dholbach: i'll do some reviewing for revu on thursday... are there any priority items?
[08:30] <\sh> herve: what you can't do...u r motu ,)
[08:30] <herve> \sh, upload in main!
[08:30] <\sh> herve: ah no :) u can't
[08:30] <dholbach> slomo: no, no idea (maybe some that have 1 vote already?)
[08:31] <slomo> dholbach: ok, i'll do 1-voters and updates first ;)
[08:31] <dholbach> rock
[08:31] <slomo> hub: why is autopano-swift for multiverse?
[08:32] <herve> ha, I can see on dapper-changes that UBZ is over :-)
[08:32] <slomo> dholbach: and some merges after i'm bored of reviewing ;)
[08:32] <dholbach> doing merges while doing bugs atm
[08:33] <dholbach> that should be a policy: "if you touch a package, see if you can merge it first" :)
[08:33] <slomo> dholbach: yes, definitly... maybe something to discuss at the next motu meeting ;)
[08:34] <dholbach> althought it should be  a very natural thing to do
[08:34] <dholbach> not a policy
[08:34] <dholbach> i like people taught to do the right thing better than a big rulebook
[08:35] <herve> yes, I did it just yesterday
[08:35] <slomo> dholbach: well, i'm doing it mostly now... (but forgot to do so some times already) ;) but a rule for that wouldn't hurt... we need some kind of reference anyway... not everybody knows everything ;)
[08:36] <dholbach> hmmmmmmm
[08:36] <dholbach> we'll end up with a big rulebook in the end ;)(
[08:36] <dholbach> but yeah, writing it up, doesnt hurt
[08:37] <Kyral> hey all
[08:38] <slomo> dholbach: but as a first rule please add a link to the debian policy ;) that would save some work :P
[08:38] <dholbach> Mortas: UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath was your idea, right?
[08:38] <slomo> Kyral: hi :)
[08:38] <dholbach> slomo: diziet worked on the developer docs spec
[08:39] <Kyral> I start vacation that day...
[08:39] <slomo> Kyral: hehe, you proposed yourself as member? :)
[08:40] <Kyral> No, I was gonna see when the meeting was before I did :P
[08:40] <dholbach> herve: it's not over yet
[08:40] <Kyral> I was groaning because I won't be able to this time around again
[08:40] <dholbach> herve: only for most of the distro team
[08:40] <Kyral> I mean I MIGHT get home in time, but I'd need to QUICKLY setup my laptop
[08:41] <slomo> dholbach: and sadly not for elmo... he has probably 10-15 sync request by me in his mailbox ;) he won't be happy when he looks at his mailbox after ubz
[08:42] <dholbach> slomo: i suppose he had worse tasks
[08:42] <herve> plus one from me :-)
[08:43] <dholbach> what syncs are those? some which override our changes?
[08:44] <herve> yes, bugfixes merged by Debian for instance
[08:44] <slomo> dholbach: most of them, yes... the only exception are two (or three?) NEW packages
[08:44] <dholbach> slomo: we'd get them in automatically, no?
[08:45] <dholbach> slomo: the new ones
[08:45] <slomo> dholbach: NEW ones? no... at least we didn't get them yet
[08:46] <dholbach> we should get them automatically
[08:46] <herve> not with "ubuntu" in the revision?
[08:47] <dholbach> i don't understand
[08:47] <slomo> dholbach: hmm... afaik the auto syncing only works on packages which are already in ubuntu
[08:47] <dholbach> no, don't think so
[08:47] <slomo> hmm, let's ask elmo ;)
[08:47] <\sh> phew
[08:47] <\sh> this was a long mail
[08:47] <\sh> to write
[08:48] <slomo> \sh: berlios is up again :)
[08:48] <\sh> slomo: well...now I don't need it anymore :)
[08:48] <slomo> lol
[08:48] <slomo> ok :)
[08:48] <slomo> but i still need it ;)
[08:49] <schweeb> I'm siding with dholbach on this one
[08:50] <schweeb> I'm under the impression that everything gets synched (except for packages that are intentionally excluded)
[08:51] <slomo> well... pitti doesn't know it too ;)
[08:55] <sladen> funny, lemo is discussing that exact same sisue at the moment on this table
[08:55] <sladen> elmo
[08:56] <\sh> sladen: move to this table and write life
[08:56] <\sh> vgrn#
[08:56] <\sh> live
[08:56] <sladen> hehe
[08:58] <\sh> sladen: it was impressing what u tried at the motu meeting...:)
[08:59] <slomo> sladen: hehe, it's sufficient when you write down the conclusions ;)
 screw you hippie
[09:03] <\sh> hahaha
[09:05] <Kyral> Can someone help me decipher some Lintain errors?
[09:05] <slomo> Kyral: sure
[09:06] <Kyral> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/flowdesigner-0511052140/flowdesigner_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_i386.lintian
[09:06] <Kyral> the errors about shlibs
[09:07] <slomo> omg
[09:07] <Kyral> Its building its own lib that I didn't expect
[09:07] <slomo> whiprush: flowdesigner: script-not-executable ./usr/share/flowdesigner/examples/dtmf.n
[09:07] <slomo> whiprush: flowdesigner: unusual-interpreter ./usr/share/flowdesigner/examples/dtmf.n #!batchflow
[09:07] <slomo> add overrides for these
[09:07] <herve> ha, there's some -fPIC missing
[09:07] <Kyral> how?
[09:08] <Kyral> call the dh_makeshlibs helper?
[09:08] <slomo> uh, i never saw that many lintian errors/warnings at once :)
[09:08] <herve> "description-starts-with-package-name" <- this one is easy to fix
[09:08] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:08] <herve> and written in the debian policy
[09:08] <slomo> Kyral: do you call it already? dh_makeshlibs i mean
[09:08] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[09:08] <herve> hi sistpoty
[09:08] <Kyral> Yah I know that, I wanna nail the damn lib error :P
[09:08] <Kyral> slomo, no
[09:09] <slomo> Kyral: ok... first...
[09:09] <Kyral> But I can uncomment it in rules :D
[09:09] <slomo> split the package
[09:09] <Kyral> how?
[09:09] <herve> siretart, ping
[09:09] <slomo> Kyral: oh wait...
[09:09] <slomo> what is this lib good for? only internal use?
[09:09] <Kyral> I think so
[09:09] <herve> well, someone else could answer
[09:10] <herve> and empty lintian or linda file on revu really means there's no error or warning?
[09:10] <slomo> and tell these guys to use SONAME the right way...
[09:10] <slomo> herve: yes
[09:10] <Kyral> whats SONAME?
[09:10] <herve> then... woohoo!
[09:11] <slomo> Kyral: when it's internal only they should put it somewhere else or make a good soname ;)
[09:11] <slomo> Kyral: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html
[09:11] <slomo> Kyral: this will solve your problems with the libs ;)
[09:11] <Kyral> isn't being put under /usr/lib/packagename now?
[09:12] <slomo> E: flowdesigner: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libflow-0.9.so
[09:12] <slomo> E: flowdesigner: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libflow-0.9.so
[09:12] <slomo> whiprush: flowdesigner: postrm-should-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libflow-0.9.so
[09:12] <slomo> no
[09:12] <slomo> hmm... why does it complete to whiprush?!
[09:12] <slomo> whiprush: *test*
[09:12] <slomo> wtf
[09:13] <slomo> xchat autocompletes "W :"
[09:13] <Kyral> ????
[09:13] <\sh> hahaha
[09:13] <herve> slomo, xchat automatic completion
[09:13] <\sh> xchat is crap with this nick completion
[09:13] <slomo> Kyral: what are the ? for? ;)
[09:13] <Kyral> So should I just patch it?
[09:13] <hub> slomo: autpano-sift is restricted by patents in the US...
[09:13] <Kyral> I didn't know what you were talking about ;P
[09:13] <hub> slomo: but if it is fine in universe, it is perfectly fine with me
[09:14] <Kyral> slomo, would calling dh_makeshlibs fix this?
[09:14] <slomo> Kyral: no... package it correctly and tell these guys to use proper soname for their lib in /usr/lib... or put it somewhere else
[09:14] <slomo> Kyral: partially
[09:14] <whiprush> heh
[09:14] <slomo> hub: patents on what exactly? ;)
[09:14] <hub> slomo: the SIFT algorithm
[09:15] <slomo> Kyral: read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html please... there you will find all answers for the libs
[09:15] <hub> slomo: the university of British Columbia applied for it in the U.S.
[09:15] <Kyral> I'm gonna comment out dh_installman
[09:15] <hub> slomo: it is mentionned in the copyright file
[09:15] <slomo> Kyral: why?
[09:15] <Kyral> it doesn't HAVE a manpage
[09:15] <slomo> Kyral: it won't hurt
[09:15] <slomo> Kyral: better concentrate on the real problems ;)
[09:16] <Kyral> It will stop those warnings at the beginnings :P
[09:16] <slomo> no
[09:16] <slomo> these warnings are correct
[09:16] <Kyral> oh, what is the proper section?
[09:16] <slomo> every binary should have a manpage
[09:17] <\sh> Kyral: write the manpage
[09:17] <slomo> Kyral: it isn't _needed_ but better to have one
[09:17] <Kyral> umm....1) I have no clue how it works
[09:17] <slomo> Kyral: section would be devel
[09:17] <Kyral> 2) I have no clue how to write a manpage ;P
[09:18] <\sh> Kyral: ever heard of docbook?
[09:18] <Kyral> yah
[09:18] <herve> Kyral, do as I do, copy one and change the text ;-)
[09:18] <slomo> Kyral: you can convert docbook to manpage via xslt ;)
[09:18] <slomo> Kyral: but concentrate on the lib issue first please... the other stuff is easy to do :P
[09:19] <\sh> Kyral: so...if you do a clean dh_make call in a stupid dir....then u get a docbook manpage template
[09:19] <\sh> Kyral: which u can change...and translate with docbook2man towards a real manpage...
[09:19] <Kyral> ahh
[09:19] <\sh> its easy and nice
[09:19] <at1as> 
[09:19] <\sh> wuahhahah....the earth is falling down
[09:20] <slomo> Kyral: or look for example at my cowbell package... manpage in docbook-xml is there... and xslt call
[09:20] <\sh> noone there to hold the earth
[09:20] <slomo> \sh: ?
[09:20] <slomo> \sh: ah... lol =)
[09:20] <\sh> slomo: atlas said he's back
[09:20] <\sh> so he's not holding the earth anymore
[09:20] <\sh> slomo: bah...history :)
[09:22] <slomo> \sh: history? mythology :P
[09:22] <\sh> slomo: actually it was "Hercules" ,)
[09:23] <dholbach> LaserJock: done
[09:23] <slomo> dholbach: you can assign avahi (including service-discovery-applet) bugs to the avahi team :)
[09:23] <dholbach> slomo: sorry... do you reassign?
[09:24] <slomo> dholbach: already done ;)
[09:24] <dholbach> rock on
[09:25] <slomo> dholbach: the 3 sda bugs will be solved with the next release... probably only waiting for avahi 0.6
[09:25] <dholbach> cool
[09:27] <ivoks> ok
[09:27] <ivoks> so, UBZ is over and it's time to work again
[09:27] <ivoks> :)
[09:28] <ivoks> guys that were at UBZ: are there any special news others should know? (i was quite busy these days and didn't read -devel carefully)
[09:29] <ivoks> hm... looks like i'll be your black sheep this release :)
[09:30] <herve> hello ivoks
[09:30] <ivoks> o, hi herve
[09:30] <ivoks> i hear a lot of news from france... you guys are making tourists reconsider their trip to french alps :)
[09:30] <\sh> ivoks: what do u want to hear? that we decided that ivoks is doing all merges?
[09:30] <\sh> that ivoks will get main upload and is doing all distro work?
[09:31] <ivoks> \sh: huh... that would the end of ubuntu :)
[09:31] <\sh> ivoks: well...no
[09:31] <\sh> ivoks: actually we have 6-8 weeks from now for new things and merges
[09:32] <herve> ivoks, we have the best internet access anyway ;-)
[09:32] <\sh> ivoks: then we have UVF and bugfixing
[09:32] <ivoks> ok
[09:32] <ivoks> so, this is shorter for dapper
[09:32] <ivoks> understandable...
[09:32] <ivoks> herve: :)
[09:33] <herve> \sh, you mean I have 6 weeks to get my package in dapper?
[09:33] <ivoks> \sh: thanks for the info,
[09:33] <\sh> ivoks:the open development yes...the bugfixing is at least 1 week longer so dapper will be released one week later then normal, and dapper+1 release schedule will be decreased by 1 week
[09:33] <\sh> herve: yes
[09:33] <herve> ouch
[09:33] <\sh> herve: but if they're not bringing in new main lib deps which are not there after 6 weeks...then we can do some special treatment
[09:34] <ivoks> interesting
[09:34] <\sh> the plan is, to stay with the main release schedule
[09:34] <\sh> at least for this release
[09:34] <\sh> but ubz was more...I love now having wifi
[09:35] <ivoks> \sh: more?
[09:35] <\sh> Mirno: u don't need op status
[09:35] <ivoks> huh
[09:35] <herve> \sh, more wired?
[09:35] <slomo> sistpoty: will we also take languages like nemerle? ;)
[09:35] <Mirno> woops
[09:36] <\sh> herve: well...it was interesting to meet the other guys like ajmitch and sladen and siretart
[09:36] <\sh> and koke
[09:36] <Mirno> \sh: I needed it on another channels. an how did I get op here ?
[09:36] <\sh> and and and
[09:36] <\sh> Mirno: don't ask me..ask lilo
[09:36] <ivoks> Mirno: we don't get op here
[09:37] <ivoks> Mirno: we trust each other
[09:37] <dholbach> yay! :)
[09:37] <dholbach> it's the hug day again ;)
[09:37] <ivoks> :)
[09:37] <Mirno> ivoks: I uses /chansevr op all to op me on my channels (I needed to change some mods) and it oped me here .. I suppose you have a very low access level here
[09:38] <Mirno> sorry anyway
[09:38] <herve> no problem
[09:39] <sistpoty> slomo: sure, why not
[09:39] <slomo> sistpoty: fine... i love this language =)
[09:39] <slomo> sistpoty: and i created a ml page
[09:39] <sistpoty> slomo: as long as no other team wants to take care for a language, why not list it there ;)
[09:40] <sistpoty> slomo: cool :)
[09:40] <dholbach> slomo: want to have zeroconf bugs there too?
[09:41] <slomo> sistpoty: i'm the maintainer of one ml and the nemerle package ;) so no one else will care probably
[09:41] <slomo> dholbach: when it's avahi related yes... otherwise no
[09:41] <dholbach> hrm
[09:42] <slomo> dholbach: but better ask Lathiat
[09:42] <at1as> Where do I post bugs for Universe (like transcode)/
[09:42] <at1as> 
[09:42] <at1as> ?
[09:42] <dholbach> i'll assign it to motu, nevermind
[09:42] <at1as> or xvid?
[09:42] <dholbach> at1as: http://launchpad.net/malone
[09:42] <slomo> at1as: malone... and assign to motumedia
[09:43] <slomo> sistpoty: did you already had a look at nemerle?
[09:44] <sistpoty> slomo: not yet
[09:44] <slomo> sistpoty: write it on your todo list ;)
[09:44] <crimsun> at1as: what's wrong with transcode?
[09:44] <sistpoty> slomo: sure... will do :)
[09:50] <slomo> sistpoty: nemerle page created :)
[09:51] <sistpoty> slomo: good work :)
[09:55] <slomo> sistpoty: thanks :)
[09:58] <Kyral> hmm
[09:58] <Kyral> recompiling
[09:58] <Kyral> it said something about compiling with -fPIC
[09:59] <elektranox> hello, I want to make a package suggestion for Dapper Drake and the UbuntuUsers.de Team send me to you...
[09:59] <slomo> Kyral: what?
[09:59] <slomo> elektranox: tell us more :)
[09:59] <Kyral> when I hit the deb with lintain -vi
[09:59] <Kyral> said something about "Compiling shared libs with -fPIC
[10:00] <slomo> Kyral: ah yes... libraries have to be compiled with -fPIC... look at that page i've given you one hour ago and read it :P
[10:00] <Kyral> can I make a suggestion that Lintain on REVU be run with -vi?
[10:00] <crimsun> Kyral: yeah, you should - in fact it's a must for most non-i386
[10:00] <elektranox> @slomo: I found a package for communicate with an calculator from Texas Instruments in Ubuntu, but no for an calculator from Casio :(
[10:00] <Kyral> crimsun, I'm not the maker ;P
[10:01] <slomo> elektranox: is there already an app which does this?
[10:01] <elektranox> @slomo: yes, it's aviable at sourceforge:
[10:01] <elektranox> http://cafix.sourceforge.net/
[10:01] <slomo> Kyral: tell them to fix -fPIC and soname ;)
[10:01] <Kyral> Hows about I also attach the output from Lintain?
[10:02] <slomo> Kyral: that doesn't hlep them probably...
[10:02] <slomo> but do it ;)
[10:02] <Kyral> It can explain somethings better than I can
[10:03] <slomo> maybe... and give them the url to the libraries page in the debian policy ;)
[10:03] <Kyral> Throwing the book at them?
[10:03] <LaserJock> dholbach: thanks for reviewing my package
[10:04] <slomo> Kyral: only that one page :P
[10:04] <Kyral> LaserJock, I'll handle the ChemPaint package
[10:04] <herve> Kyral, no, gently passing the book several meters trought the air :-)
[10:04] <lfittl> elektranox: That one is already listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[10:04] <Kyral> and ask the FlowDesigner devs to email me
[10:04] <slomo> Kyral: and consider packaging http://cafix.sourceforge.net/ =) should be an easy one
[10:04] <Kyral> petermcv@clarkson.edu
[10:05] <Kyral> slomo, only if you take GNOME-RDP off my hands
[10:05] <at1as> crimsun: I'm having a bad time importing xvid, using any of ffmpeg, xvid or divx.
[10:05] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok, just check to make sure Debian doesn't have it first and nobody is working on it for Ubuntu. Seems like there might have been
[10:05] <at1as> 
[10:05] <Kyral> I think I checked Debian
[10:06] <Kyral> wtf is Cafix do?
[10:06] <slomo> Kyral: casio calculator interface ;)
[10:06] <Kyral> ah
[10:07] <slomo> Kyral: i won't touch gnome-rdp... upstream has to fix that mess and we can talk about it again... did you already mail them?
[10:07] <Kyral> I'll work on it once FlowDesigner gets done
[10:07] <elektranox> the text says ubuntu - nobody Oo
[10:07] <Kyral> slomo, nope
[10:07] <Kyral> I don't think English is upstream's first language either
[10:08] <Kyral> Tried to go to the website to see if I could find anything, its all in a language I don't know
[10:08] <slomo> but they speak english ;)
[10:08] <slomo> oh
[10:09] <crimsun> at1as: "a bad time" isn't exactly precise
[10:09] <crimsun> at1as: what precisely is the issue?
[10:12] <Kyral> LJ, have you been in direct email contact with the FlowDesigner devs?
[10:12] <lfittl> slomo: I could try to package libcafix & gcafix, I have enough time to do it
[10:12] <Kyral> lfittl, I can do it
[10:13] <Kyral> I need the experiance under my belt ;P
[10:13] <slomo> lfittl: fine :)
[10:13] <slomo> there are enough packages to do for all of us :P
[10:13] <lfittl> Kyral: me too ;)
[10:13] <slomo> just look at universecandidates
[10:13] <LaserJock> Kyral: I just emailed the two authors and cc'd it to you
[10:14] <Kyral> lfittl, its all yours ;P
[10:14] <Kyral> I believe becoming an Ubuntu Member would be a nice xmas gift ;P
[10:15] <elektranox> lfittl: if you want i can test the packages for you ^^
[10:15] <Kyral> Just gotta keep at it :D
[10:15] <herve> reviewing packages is good too ;-)
[10:16] <Kyral> You need to be an Ubuntu Member (and MOTU?) to do that
[10:17] <lfittl> elektranox: thanks that will help, just give me some time to do the packaging work ;)
[10:17] <slomo> Kyral: he means "real" testing, not reviewing ;)
[10:18] <Kyral> During December Break, you know I'll be hyperactive in packaging
[10:18] <Kyral> along with learning Python
[10:18] <elektranox> lfittl: no
[10:18] <elektranox> lfittl: i only want to test if the package run
[10:19] <elektranox> lfittl: but my english is so bad, that i can't say it so well :P
[10:20] <slomo> elektranox: you're german?
[10:20] <elektranox> slomo: yes
[10:21] <slomo> elektranox: hehe, you can almost speak german here :P but only almost ;)
[10:22] <sistpoty> das ist nur ein geruecht (that's only a rumour) ;)
[10:22] <elektranox> mh gut zu wissen ^^
[10:23] <sistpoty> but be kind and use english ;)
[10:26] <herve> Kyral, I can help for Python :-)
[10:27] <slomo> herve: you will learn python for him? ;)
[10:27] <Kyral> Well, I cleaned up Flowdesigner as much as I could
[10:27] <Kyral> namely my typos in control ;P
[10:28] <\sh> what was that? deutsch hier? german here?
[10:28] <herve> slomo, I'm confident he could ask me a question I can't answer!
[10:28] <LaserJock> what do I do about a menu icon that is not in xpm format?
[10:28] <Kyral> he..wait....
[10:28] <slomo> \sh: klar doch ;)
[10:29] <slomo> LaserJock: convert to xpm or ignore the warning as nobody still uses xpm ;)
[10:30] <herve> there's even a certain browser that will soon display 24-bit png with alpha channel :-)
[10:31] <LaserJock> slomo: well, dholback made a comment about it when reviewing my package. I would rather not mess with the authors files. hmmm
[10:32] <slomo> LaserJock: put a converted xpm file in debian/ and install it from there by hand
[10:32] <LaserJock> slomo: ok, and not install .png at all?
[10:32] <slomo> LaserJock: install both
[10:32] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[10:33] <slomo> and use the xpm for the menu file (not the .desktop file, the other one ;) )
[10:33] <LaserJock> ok, makes sense
[10:35] <LaserJock> is it possible to reupload an updated version of a source package while keeping the version number the same. I hate having bump up the ubuntuX number everytime I fix a typo
[10:35] <LaserJock> or is that motivation to not make any mistakes ;-)
[10:35] <slomo> LaserJock: for revu?
[10:35] <LaserJock> slomo: yes
[10:36] <herve> night all
[10:36] <Kyral> is there anyway I can apply the Ubuntu Kernel patches to the 2.6.14 kernel?
[10:36] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sure, that's no problem... as long as the latest ubuntu version is lower
[10:36] <slomo> LaserJock: you can upload the same version multiple times to revu (but only to revu!)
[10:36] <slomo> LaserJock: dput -f bla.changes if it tells you it's already uploaded ;)
[10:37] <LaserJock> hmm, I have been having problems doing that. It also complains about needing the .orig.tar.gz when I have already uploaded it. maybe I am doing something wrong here
[10:39] <LaserJock> do you need to reupload the .orig.tar.gz for every ubuntuX version?
[10:39] <slomo> yes
[10:39] <Kyral> So no one knows where I can get the Ubuntu patches to the kernel?
[10:40] <LaserJock> slomo: oh, ok I thought since the source hadn't changed it wouldn't need to.
[10:40] <crimsun> Kyral: eh?
[10:40] <crimsun> Kyral: linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.12
[10:40] <Kyral> for the 2.6.14 ;P
[10:41] <crimsun> the git tree is public
[10:41] <Kyral> ...and how do I use that? :P
[10:41] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide
[10:44] <Kyral> Score debpacks for GIT ;P
[10:44] <Kyral> so this is the 2.614 kernel + patches?
[10:48] <crimsun> it's a live snapshot of the tree
[10:48] <Kyral> the vanilla kernel tree?
[10:55] <Kyral> I'd love it if I found a way to compile the NVidia drivers and the Madwifi driver for my Wireless card into the kernel
[11:00] <slomo> gn8 everybody
[11:00] <elektranox> slomo gn9
[11:00] <Kyral> cxya
[11:00] <dholbach> good night, everybody
[11:01] <highvoltage> goodnight, dholbach
[11:01] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[11:01] <Kyral> cya
[11:01] <elektranox> Kyral: the madwifi driver is already in ubuntu Oo
[11:01] <dholbach> night guys
[11:02] <sistpoty> gn8 highvoltage
[11:02] <Kyral> elektranox, not in the vanilla 2.6.14 kernel
[11:02] <Kyral> which is why I wanted to know if I could apply the Ubuntu kernel patches from 2.6.12-9 to 2.6.14
[11:04] <elektranox> mh I tried one time to install the madwifi driver by hand...
[11:04] <Kyral> Module-Assistant helps
[11:04] <Kyral> but I'm trying to have a completely integrated kernel
[11:10] <\sh> good night motus.
[11:10] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh_away
[11:23] <felipe_> How much time of your week does it takes to be a MOTU of a single pakage?
[11:24] <schweeb> you don't get assigned specific packages, generally
[11:24] <schweeb> except for the teams
[11:24] <schweeb> you put in how much time you feel like putting in
[11:26] <felipe_> schweeb, So....where can I try to see if I can do it before enrroling in a team?
[11:26] <schweeb> you don't even have to join a team
[11:27] <Pygi> Hello people :)
[11:27] <schweeb> but, check malone for bugs in universe packages, then submit to REVU
[11:27] <felipe_> Well the wiki web page says I should enroll at launchpad with the motu team...
[11:27] <schweeb> er, after fixing it of course
[11:30] <Pygi> I need one info from you if possible
[11:31] <elektranox> hello, is here a python freak?
[11:32] <Pygi> what do you need from python?
[11:32] <Pygi> How can I become a motu? I need to become one because I have recently started one project with matt galvin
[11:32] <Pygi> thanks for answe
[11:32] <felipe_> schweeb, how do I search for bugs specific to universe packages?
[11:33] <schweeb> good question
[11:33] <schweeb> haven't found a good way myself yet
[11:33] <felipe_> hahahaha
[11:33] <Pygi> schweeb: :/
[11:33] <elektranox> Pygi, I have a package wich is not compatible to breezy
[11:33] <Pygi> gah, python package?
[11:34] <elektranox> it consists of different python scripts and a glade prject file
[11:34] <Pygi> gah :/
[11:35] <elektranox> my problem is the depending...
[11:35] <Pygi> I would look at it, but don't have the breezy installed right now :/
[11:35] <Pygi> maybe you could send it to my mail so I'll have a look at it?
[11:36] <elektranox> wait I give you a download link ^^
[11:36] <Pygi> gah, please send it to my mail
[11:36] <Pygi>  I don't have time to download right now ^^
[11:37] <sistpoty> gn8 folks
[11:37] <elektranox> then please help me only with this line:
[11:37] <elektranox> Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, python-gnome2, python-glade2, visualboyadvance
[11:37] <elektranox> how can I say to use python2.3
[11:37] <elektranox> and not python
[11:38] <elektranox> *the line is in debian/config ;)
[11:38] <Pygi> gah...
[11:39] <Pygi> is that game boy emulator or something like that?
[11:39] <elektranox> its called gnomeboyadvance
[11:39] <Pygi> gah :P
[11:41] <elektranox> my problem is that the script want to use python, wich links to the wrong python...
[11:42] <Pygi> hm, do you have file with .py extension?
[11:42] <elektranox> yes some full dirs :s
[11:42] <Pygi> gah :/
[11:43] <Pygi> ok, here what you'll do :)
[11:43] <elektranox> the most are the config files for the emulator
[11:43] <Pygi> open each script with text editor, and on the first line you'll see path to python interpreter
[11:43] <elektranox> yes
[11:45] <Pygi> yes, and edit the path to the python interpreter that works
[11:48] <Pygi> you did it?
[11:48] <elektranox> yes
[11:48] <Pygi> and?
[11:48] <Pygi> does it work?
[11:49] <elektranox> I have to repack it
[11:49] <elektranox> (it's my first time so wait a bit ^^)
[11:50] <Pygi> kk :)
[11:58] <Pygi> you alive? :)
[11:58] <elektranox> yes i install pbuilder
[11:59] <Pygi> oh
[11:59] <Pygi> let me know if it worked
[11:59] <elektranox> i will do ;)
[11:59] <Pygi> send me a mail
[11:59] <Pygi> cause I think I'll be off
[11:59] <Pygi> mario.danic@gmail.com