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bumparocky | hello | 02:43 |
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bumparocky | newbiw question, why is not smbfs part of it?...windows connectivity a must here | 02:44 |
bumparocky | great job , though, very impressive...would like freenx technology also | 02:46 |
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mhz | hi all | 04:11 |
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dabaR | hi | 04:13 |
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zakame | hi all | 07:02 |
zakame | is ogra around? | 07:02 |
crimsun | perhaps, but he may still be in Montreal or enroute home | 07:03 |
zakame | hmmm ok :) | 07:03 |
Burgundavia | zakame, I think he is travelling right now | 07:03 |
Burgundavia | the ltsp guys finished yesterday, if my memory serves me correctly | 07:04 |
zakame | anyway, can i request edubuntu cds via shipit? | 07:04 |
zakame | Burgundavia: oh | 07:04 |
highvoltage | ogra | 07:04 |
highvoltage | OGRA | 07:04 |
highvoltage | wake uuuuuupp!!! | 07:04 |
highvoltage | :) | 07:04 |
cafuego_ | edubuntu is giving me too much grief! | 07:14 |
zakame | how come? | 07:15 |
cafuego_ | No matter what i do, I can't login via a netbooted client (I got them booting OK now) | 07:16 |
cafuego_ | Do I need to manually add users in the chroot? | 07:17 |
cafuego_ | I thought I could ltsp into gdm (xdmcp) back to the server. | 07:17 |
Yagisan | cafuego_: on the sever ltsp-update-sshkeys reboot client and try again | 07:23 |
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cafuego_ | Also means I can do it in vmware and not on the crusty P233 | 07:30 |
cafuego_ | Oh, there is a buglet actually, /etc/exports here won't accept * as network/mask. | 07:32 |
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cafuego_ | Hmm, locked. Do any of you have edit access to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup ? | 07:34 |
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cafuego_ | Yagisan: ... and the people rejoiced. Thankyou :-) | 10:25 |
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mhz | hi all | 12:51 |
mhz | highvoltage, ping | 12:51 |
cafuego_ | hello ghz (free upgrade) | 12:51 |
mhz | hi cafuego_ | 12:52 |
mhz | you left b4 I could get back with the files :) | 12:52 |
cafuego_ | my hosting provider's uplink died :-( | 12:52 |
mhz | oops | 12:52 |
cafuego_ | Yeh <heh> | 12:52 |
cafuego_ | it's OK though, got it all working now. | 12:52 |
mhz | cafuego_, are you keen on rescuing (rm -rf) data? | 12:52 |
cafuego_ | mhz; That's why i run rsync every night. | 12:53 |
cafuego_ | (coz rm -rf is sometimes not your friend) | 12:53 |
mhz | me too, except I got confused with domains :( | 12:53 |
mhz | and yesterday night i did a lot of work | 12:53 |
mhz | which unless I rescue in next 5 minutes, I'd be lost for my talk | 12:54 |
cafuego_ | isn't the an undelete thingie for ext2? | 12:54 |
mhz | hmm, me ignorant on that | 12:54 |
mhz | however i do use ext3 | 12:55 |
cafuego_ | http://www.billjonas.com/papers/undeletion.html | 12:55 |
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cafuego_ | try to mount the partitoon with the files read-only ASAP | 12:57 |
mhz | cafuego_, glup! I'd betta start rescuing | 01:00 |
mhz | thx for the cheering up | 01:00 |
highvoltage | bah | 01:23 |
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highvoltage | anyone seen JaneW around? | 01:59 |
highvoltage | edoo: seen JaneW | 01:59 |
edoo | JaneW was last seen on #edubuntu 35 years, 321 days, 13 hours, 6 seconds ago, saying: np [Thu Jan 1 01:59:59 1970] | 02:00 |
highvoltage | hmmm... | 02:01 |
raphink | lol | 02:02 |
highvoltage | i think my small server at home's time is a bit out :) | 02:02 |
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pips1 | highvoltage: hi | 02:15 |
highvoltage | hi pips1 | 02:15 |
highvoltage | i'm just on my way to a quick meeting at work, talk to you later? | 02:15 |
pips1 | ok, I take it the next official meeting is 16 Nov 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 02:16 |
pips1 | ? | 02:16 |
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mhz | Yagisan: hi there | 02:50 |
Yagisan | G'day mhz | 02:50 |
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jelkner | hi all, anyone here know anything about the new virtual file system? | 03:08 |
jelkner | i've done something *very* bad to my hard drive :-( | 03:08 |
Yagisan | jelkner: no. What did you do ? | 03:09 |
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jelkner | Yagisan: here is what i did: | 03:19 |
jelkner | 1. i installed edubuntu on a new hard drive | 03:20 |
jelkner | 2. for file system configuration, i chose "auto configure with virtual file system" | 03:20 |
jelkner | (or something like that) | 03:20 |
jelkner | 3. since everything worked, i wanted to get /home copied over from the old system | 03:21 |
jelkner | 4. so i put it on the other ide chain, and planed to mount it and copy, like i've done many times in the past | 03:21 |
jelkner | 5. but when i went to mount it, i couldn't find the partition (hdc2) | 03:22 |
jelkner | 6. when i put it back in the computer as the main drive, grub could no longer find a file system | 03:22 |
jelkner | i've got an ubuntu live boot in there now | 03:23 |
Yagisan | oh dear | 03:23 |
jelkner | yeah! | 03:23 |
Yagisan | when you did 2, was the old drive in the pc ? | 03:23 |
jelkner | no | 03:24 |
Yagisan | I think it should have said LVM on install | 03:24 |
jelkner | but it did something to that drive when i booted up the new system with the old system present | 03:24 |
jelkner | hold on, let me try fdisk -l and see what i get | 03:24 |
jelkner | ok, the new file system is called LVM | 03:25 |
Yagisan | Ah, I understand a bit clearer now | 03:25 |
Yagisan | I also use lvm (actually lvm over raid) | 03:26 |
Yagisan | I'll take a quick look and see what it tried to do when you put a new drive in | 03:27 |
Yagisan | did /var/log/syslog have any messages in there related to your hdc2 ? | 03:27 |
Yagisan | sudo lvdisplay will give you a list of your lvm partitions (it scans all installed disks IIRC) | 03:29 |
Yagisan | sudo lvscan is less verbose | 03:30 |
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Yagisan | jelkner: do you have gpart on that cd ? | 03:32 |
jelkner | i don't know, does the breezy live cd have it? | 03:33 |
Yagisan | jelkner: I have no idea, I've never used the live cd, but if not | 03:33 |
jelkner | i have the broken drive in the /dev/hda postion | 03:33 |
Yagisan | you can download from here http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ | 03:33 |
jelkner | and when i try mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 it can't find it | 03:34 |
jelkner | let me look | 03:34 |
Yagisan | run gpart.linux /dev/hda | 03:34 |
Yagisan | does it find your partition table ? | 03:35 |
jelkner | i just ran gparted | 03:36 |
jelkner | it is a gnome app | 03:36 |
jelkner | and it is on the live cd | 03:36 |
Yagisan | jelkner: gpart != gparted | 03:36 |
jelkner | oh | 03:36 |
Yagisan | jelkner: why are the names always so similar | 03:36 |
jelkner | gpart doesn't seem to be there | 03:37 |
Yagisan | anyway, did gparted show a correct partition table for /dev/hda ? | 03:37 |
jelkner | no | 03:37 |
Yagisan | oh dear | 03:37 |
jelkner | here is what it has: | 03:37 |
jelkner | /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot | 03:38 |
jelkner | and | 03:38 |
jelkner | /dev/mapper/casper-cow | 03:39 |
jelkner | this whole /dev/mapper stuff is new to me | 03:39 |
Yagisan | jelkner: that looks like the livecd partition table | 03:39 |
jelkner | ok, ubuntu live does not mount harddrive partitions without being told | 03:40 |
Yagisan | jelkner: don't worry /dev/mapper is a more flexible partition table (when it works) | 03:40 |
Yagisan | jelkner: doesn't seem that way | 03:40 |
jelkner | i know that it doesn't | 03:40 |
jelkner | so how can i make it mount what i think should be /dev/hda | 03:41 |
jelkner | s/hda2/hda | 03:41 |
magnon | s/hda/hda2/ :) | 03:41 |
jelkner | thanks ;-) | 03:41 |
jelkner | fdisk /dev/hda says hda can not be found | 03:42 |
jelkner | is there an easy way to prob what is available? | 03:42 |
Yagisan | dmesg | grep hda | 03:42 |
jelkner | hold on, let me try that... | 03:42 |
Yagisan | If that produces nothing, double check the cables | 03:43 |
Yagisan | on my system I get | 03:44 |
Yagisan | [ 26.852400] ide0: BM-DMA at 0xb000-0xb007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio | 03:44 |
Yagisan | as the first line of output | 03:44 |
Yagisan | second line is | 03:45 |
Yagisan | [ 27.235047] hda: ST3200822A, ATA DISK drive | 03:45 |
Yagisan | that is the important line | 03:45 |
jelkner | yeah, i get something like that: | 03:45 |
jelkner | [4294702.837000] ide0: MB-DMA at ... BIOS settings: hda: pio, hdb, pio | 03:45 |
jelkner | now, how can i look at hda to see what the file system table looks like? | 03:46 |
Yagisan | jelkner: do you have anything that looks like the second line ? if not I suspect a loose cable | 03:46 |
jelkner | dmesg | grep hda only returned one line | 03:47 |
Yagisan | before we pull the case off, try dmesg | grep hdc | 03:47 |
Yagisan | it looks like a loose cable, but we will double check it is where we think it is | 03:48 |
jelkner | Yagisan: i don't think it is a loose cable | 03:50 |
jelkner | i can get to grup | 03:50 |
jelkner | s/grup/grub | 03:50 |
jelkner | and it can read the menu.lst file | 03:51 |
Yagisan | jelkner: That line that dmesg returned indicates the hard drive isn't on /dev/hda, but you get grub, so it must be on hdb, hdc or hdd | 03:51 |
jelkner | but it can't find a file system when you try to load the kernel | 03:51 |
jelkner | hold on, let me reboot from the hard drive to get more details | 03:51 |
vmarks | morning all. | 03:54 |
neurogeek | jelkner, did you solve the idle problem?? | 03:55 |
neurogeek | Hello all | 03:55 |
neurogeek | vmarks, Hi! | 03:55 |
jelkner | neurogeek: yes, by reinstalling | 03:56 |
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jelkner | Yagisan: don't ask me why, but this time, the old system booted properly! | 03:56 |
jelkner | yeah! | 03:56 |
jelkner | I'm going to burn the home directories onto a cd | 03:57 |
jelkner | and install them on the new system that way | 03:57 |
jelkner | ok, i've got what i need, thanks! | 03:57 |
Yagisan | jelkner: It's a sign, backup now :) | 03:58 |
Yagisan | jelkner: glad it's working for you | 03:59 |
Yagisan | G'day vmarks, neurogeek | 03:59 |
neurogeek | Yagisan, Hello!! | 04:01 |
neurogeek | jelkner, good!! | 04:01 |
Yagisan | neurogeek, how are you today, I've a had a scorching day today, and it's still 27 degrees celsius at 2am | 04:04 |
Yagisan | so I can't sleep :( | 04:04 |
jsgotangco | its pretty humid here as well in manila atm | 04:06 |
neurogeek | Yagisan, bad to hear that.. in here is pretty hot these days too. Air Conditioning Systems rules | 04:09 |
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neurogeek | Yagisan, sorry to hear that.. What part of Australia are you in? | 04:11 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: manila, it would be around midnight there ? | 04:11 |
Yagisan | neurogeek: Sydney | 04:11 |
neurogeek | Yagisan, Good.. i've always wanted to live there | 04:12 |
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jsgotangco | Yagisan: its only past 11pm | 04:12 |
mhz | re | 04:12 |
Yagisan | neurogeek: ?? really, it's been interesting the last few days | 04:12 |
Yagisan | mhz: wb | 04:12 |
jsgotangco | but i'll be sleeping soon I have to be early at work (i just started at a new place) | 04:13 |
mhz | Yagisan: how's things going? | 04:13 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: ok then | 04:13 |
mhz | jsgotangco: Mr. RH admin | 04:13 |
jsgotangco | mhz: it's pretty neat really | 04:13 |
Yagisan | mhz: I have some interesting news for you, and I wanted to chat to you about biz | 04:13 |
mhz | Yagisan: did you get the urls for TC and Esfera sumup? | 04:13 |
mhz | so you did | 04:14 |
mhz | :) | 04:14 |
Yagisan | mhz: yes, that is part of what I want to chat about | 04:14 |
mhz | Yagisan: what time will you log in ? how many more hours? | 04:14 |
jsgotangco | biz? | 04:14 |
mhz | jsgotangco: you know :D | 04:14 |
Yagisan | mhz: it's 27 degrees and 2am, I can't sleep | 04:15 |
mhz | hehehehe | 04:15 |
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mhz | i see | 04:15 |
Yagisan | mhz: so I'm up for a while | 04:15 |
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mhz | Yagisan: but I am solving rm -rf ATM | 04:15 |
mhz | and I gotta get ready for a edubuntu demo at a university | 04:16 |
Yagisan | mhz: It's what 12:15 in Santiago now (you are in Santiago right ?) | 04:16 |
mhz | yup | 04:16 |
mhz | so, I'll be leaving anytime soon | 04:16 |
mhz | therefore, could it be either email or lets' meet in XYZ hours? | 04:16 |
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Yagisan | mhz: ok, perhaps email is better. I need to take my wife to hospital for a checkup today | 04:18 |
Yagisan | she is due in 10 days | 04:18 |
mhz | WOW!!! | 04:18 |
Yagisan | and I won't be back until late afternoot my time | 04:18 |
Yagisan | s/afternoot/afternoon | 04:18 |
mhz | that is X PM? | 04:18 |
mhz | (+ -) | 04:19 |
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Yagisan | mhz, looking http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=10&month=11&year=2005&p1=240&p2=232&p3=-1&p4=-1 | 04:21 |
Yagisan | is 10pm my time 8am your time good ? | 04:21 |
mhz | 22:30 could be betta :D | 04:22 |
mhz | is it ok 4u? | 04:22 |
Yagisan | mhz: I'm flexible between 10pm and 1am my time | 04:22 |
mhz | hihihi | 04:23 |
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symbulos | hi si juliux there? | 04:24 |
symbulos | juliux: are you online? | 04:24 |
symbulos | ops, away | 04:24 |
mhz | Yagisan: cool, then. 22:30 (8:30 my time, tomorrow)? | 04:25 |
Yagisan | mhz: yes | 04:25 |
mhz | cool | 04:25 |
mhz | and if you want you can still pre-tell me via mail | 04:25 |
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Yagisan | mhz: I just noted that in my diary, will be there, and If I have time, I'll send a prelim email | 04:26 |
mhz | educool\ | 04:26 |
Yagisan | mhz: see you tommorow | 04:26 |
mhz | bye then and hope good news from hostpital :D | 04:26 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: you are a RH admin ? | 04:27 |
jsgotangco | at work yes, i'm taking the rhce exam next month | 04:28 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: you poor thing ;) | 04:28 |
Yagisan | brb | 04:28 |
jsgotangco | Yagisan: it'll kill my contribution output for sure | 04:29 |
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Yagisan | false alarm | 04:35 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: just standard sys-admin or network admin work ? | 04:37 |
highvoltage | ogra: hi there | 04:38 |
highvoltage | hi Yagisan | 04:38 |
highvoltage | should http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/StepByStepLtspSetup be on our documentation page? | 04:38 |
ogra | hey highvoltage | 04:38 |
highvoltage | it explains how to install ltsp.org on Ubuntu, I think it might be confusing to people. | 04:39 |
ogra | eeek ! | 04:39 |
ogra | wipe it please | 04:39 |
jsgotangco | Yagisan: a little of both, and a little more on game concepts | 04:39 |
highvoltage | i'll remove it from the documentation page, i think hno73 is the only one who can delete pages. | 04:39 |
ogra | it will break heavily if you run ltspadmin on top of edubuntu | 04:39 |
bluefrog-10 | and the way it is it won't work straight on 5.10 either | 04:40 |
Yagisan | G'day highvoltage | 04:41 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: games ? lucky you | 04:41 |
jsgotangco | Yagisan: it only looks cool to work on computer games, in reality it can be hell | 04:42 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: In my spare time I maintain a game for Ubuntu - I know it can be hell | 04:43 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: but you get paid for it | 04:43 |
Yagisan | highvoltage: yeah that page is definitely in the wrong spot | 04:44 |
highvoltage | a question i'm going to ask here and on -doc as well... | 04:45 |
jsgotangco | can anyone please take time to review what's in the Cookbook, i'm afraid my schedule won't accomodate it anymore for dapper | 04:45 |
highvoltage | it's the best option to use the ubuntu doc team for ubuntu and edubuntu, right? | 04:45 |
highvoltage | or would it be better to have a subteam of the docteam for edubuntu-doc? | 04:46 |
jsgotangco | highvoltage: i dont think anyone in the docteam is interested in edubuntu at all | 04:46 |
highvoltage | jsgotangco: do you feel that a sub-group would be better, or should we encourage everyone who wants to work on edubuntu-doc to join the main docteam? | 04:48 |
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jsgotangco | i think educators are better like mhz | 04:49 |
highvoltage | ok, it might make things easier to manage. the subgroup will be part of the doc-team on launchpad, so people will indirectly be part of ubuntu-doc. | 04:50 |
highvoltage | ogra: do you know who https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-graywolfcomputers is? | 04:51 |
highvoltage | he started a team called LTSPUbuntu. | 04:51 |
highvoltage | has he been involved in the Ubuntu LTSP implementation / do you know who he is? | 04:51 |
ogra | he is one of the ltsp.org guys, i see he is in #ltsp | 04:52 |
ogra | so this seems fine to me... | 04:52 |
ogra | i'll join his team... since i'll become upstream for ubuntu ltsp soon, matt will hand it over to me | 04:52 |
Yagisan | ogra: excellent, and I know just where to find you hahahahaha | 04:53 |
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ogra | heh | 04:53 |
highvoltage | ogra: cool. | 04:54 |
ogra | first let me become familiar with bzr ... since we also switch from bazaar for this tree | 04:54 |
highvoltage | i'll join ltsp too. | 04:54 |
ogra | you are already member | 04:54 |
ogra | at least the team page ays so | 04:54 |
Yagisan | ogra: Lets start by getting rid of that foolish idea that thin clients don't need restricted modules | 04:54 |
highvoltage | i meant #ltsp :) | 04:54 |
highvoltage | sorry. | 04:54 |
ogra | ah :) | 04:55 |
highvoltage | ogra: i'm happy that you're taking over the ltsp part, just because you're more accessable than mdz | 04:55 |
ogra | yes, that's the reason... | 04:56 |
Yagisan | ogra: I'm also interested in the team, but I freely admit I'm not much of a coder | 04:56 |
ogra | he just has to much other stuff to do... he'll still review the patches though | 04:56 |
highvoltage | ogra: oh yes, you were away... I'm also now an Ubuntu member. | 04:56 |
ogra | highvoltage, i read the report on -devel today, congrats | 04:56 |
highvoltage | thanks :) | 04:58 |
Yagisan | highvoltage: congratulations (my digest must be delayed, I haven't seen it yet) | 04:58 |
highvoltage | thanks, Yagisan | 04:58 |
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highvoltage | edoo: hola | 04:59 |
edoo | hi there, highvoltage! | 04:59 |
pitux | join #Comos | 05:00 |
Yagisan | ogra: are you seriously removing restricted modules from the clients to save ram ? | 05:00 |
highvoltage | why does the thin clients need restricted modules? | 05:01 |
Yagisan | highvoltage: I like having 3d acceleration on my clients, but restricted also has firmware | 05:02 |
Yagisan | highvoltage: which makes things work | 05:02 |
jsgotangco | good night | 05:02 |
Yagisan | highvoltage: on hoary, restricted modules where on disk, in breezy they are in tmpfs | 05:03 |
Yagisan | jsgotangco: goodnight | 05:03 |
highvoltage | jsgotangco: goodnight | 05:03 |
highvoltage | ah. | 05:03 |
Yagisan | highvoltage: so now restricted is needlessly using up ram | 05:03 |
Yagisan | highvoltage: and I have no idea why that was thought to be a good idea | 05:04 |
ogra | highvoltage, see the thin client specs we worked out at ubz (not fifshed yet) they talk about things like restricted modules | 05:04 |
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ogra | Yagisan, for normal systems thats fine ... | 05:04 |
highvoltage | ah, ok. well, reducing the number of restricted modules in thin clients will certainly help? | 05:05 |
ogra | but on thin clients its pretty useles to have them installed by default | 05:05 |
Yagisan | yes, but thin clients aren't normal, there thin | 05:05 |
highvoltage | i mean, ipw2200 firmware is probably never needed in thin clients. | 05:05 |
ogra | we'll wipe them completely | 05:05 |
ogra | who thinks he needs a nvidia or ati binary driver can still install them later | 05:06 |
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ogra | isdn will never be used on a thin client and as long as we dont support wlan we wont need the other modules | 05:07 |
Yagisan | ogra: isn't there a proposal for wireless ltsp | 05:07 |
Yagisan | ? | 05:07 |
ogra | nope | 05:07 |
ogra | there are several whishes.... | 05:07 |
ogra | but you'll need at least 16MB for a working bootimage ... (the initramfs is huge) | 05:08 |
ogra | so bootfloppies wont work for example | 05:08 |
Yagisan | ogra: and that is why $DEITY created rom-o-matic | 05:09 |
ogra | there is no wlan support for rom-o-matic images afaik | 05:09 |
ogra | not even pcmcia | 05:09 |
ogra | s/for/from/ | 05:10 |
highvoltage | i think it will be safe to increase the thin client minimum spec to 64MB soon. | 05:11 |
highvoltage | people really shouldn't implement pc's that so old that they have less than that at this stage. | 05:12 |
ogra | nopr | 05:12 |
ogra | e | 05:12 |
ogra | we just agreed on 32MB | 05:12 |
highvoltage | i think it's a good target | 05:13 |
ogra | so the default setup must run on 32MB ... which will cost u a lot... but all the ltsp people seemed to agree with jelkners approach | 05:13 |
ogra | i'd just have set the spec to 64MB.... since we'll never be able to support 32MN *and* local devices | 05:14 |
Yagisan | well, non-ubuntu ltsp boots and runs in 32MB | 05:14 |
ogra | but that doesnt use hal and udev for automagic hotplugging for example | 05:14 |
ogra | if these two have to run on the client we'll nee more than 32MB | 05:15 |
ogra | oh, and dbus indeed | 05:15 |
highvoltage | i think you'll have memory challenges with xdmcp as well if you want to do local deviced effeciently. there's just no way around it, afaict. | 05:15 |
Yagisan | memory compression anyone ? | 05:16 |
ogra | we will never suport xdmcp in a default install | 05:16 |
ogra | Yagisan, what solition are there ? i havent seen anything in this area yet | 05:16 |
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Yagisan | ogra: I remember seeing a compressed cacheing solution awhile ago | 05:17 |
ogra | hmm... | 05:18 |
ogra | might be quite CPU intensive i imagine | 05:18 |
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highvoltage | i vaguely remember something like that too, | 05:19 |
highvoltage | but i think it booted from local memory, and then got the user environment remotely. | 05:19 |
highvoltage | so i don't think it needed as much memory as ltsp. | 05:19 |
Yagisan | whitepaper here http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Sumit_Roy/publications/ipdps01.pdf | 05:19 |
ogra | eeek | 05:21 |
ogra | thats using swap | 05:21 |
ogra | wont work in a thin client solution... if you swap you have lost | 05:22 |
ogra | swap should only be used as fallback so the client doesnt crash if it runs out of mem | 05:22 |
highvoltage | i like the concept of compressed memory. | 05:23 |
ogra | but if you swap during normal usage the systwm becomes unusable | 05:23 |
highvoltage | assuming you're swapping over the network. | 05:23 |
highvoltage | what if it swaps to compressed ram? | 05:23 |
highvoltage | surely that should be faster? | 05:23 |
Yagisan | this looks similar http://www.research.ibm.com/servertechnologies/MXT.html but may be hardware | 05:24 |
highvoltage | although, on 32MB there's probably not much you can do. | 05:24 |
highvoltage | if you run out, you run out or swap externaly. | 05:24 |
ogra | this implementation uses the swap device for compressing... so you have read/write operations on the networked swap device ... | 05:25 |
highvoltage | ah i see. | 05:25 |
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ogra | which is slow as hell no matter how hard you compress | 05:25 |
highvoltage | yes :/ | 05:25 |
ogra | and compressing the main memory wont work without heav intrusive kernel changes | 05:26 |
ogra | which is nothing we can do in dapper ... | 05:26 |
ogra | dapper is due o be the most conservative ubuntu release ever | 05:26 |
Yagisan | closest I can find atm is http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20030428_214.html#11 | 05:27 |
Yagisan | so linking the clients to ulibc is out of the question ? | 05:28 |
ogra | whats ulibc ? | 05:28 |
ogra | we use klibc | 05:28 |
Yagisan | a typo. should ub uclibc | 05:29 |
Yagisan | http://www.uclibc.org/ | 05:29 |
highvoltage | ogra: will dapper be more conservative to focus on quality and testing? | 05:29 |
Yagisan | just import debian's i386-uclibc port, and rebrand it as the thin client debootstrap script | 05:30 |
ogra | highvoltage, yes, we have to support this release for 5 years... | 05:30 |
Yagisan | instant shrink of all apps that use libc | 05:30 |
highvoltage | oooh, I see. | 05:30 |
ogra | that means a month less development time, earlier freezes and more time for bugfixes | 05:30 |
ogra | Yagisan, i doubt thats feasable for dapper | 05:31 |
ogra | but i'll have a look | 05:31 |
Yagisan | ah, but it is interesting isn't it. | 05:31 |
ogra | yup | 05:31 |
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ogra | they were fun | 05:32 |
ogra | except the local device stuff that was very hard to get specced... (we had a guy there who was very pedantic, was not real fun to have discussions there) | 05:33 |
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Yagisan | Is he in the ltsp-3110.ogg ? I watched that today | 05:33 |
ogra | he ? | 05:35 |
ogra | oh, nope, thats scotty | 05:35 |
ogra | he is fine and fun to work with... | 05:35 |
ogra | as all the ltsp guys | 05:35 |
jelkner | Yagisan: or highvoltage: can i ask another question? | 05:35 |
Yagisan | ok. I missed the ltsp guys in Sydney, so I have no idea who is who | 05:36 |
Yagisan | jelkner: yep, but I'll be in bed soon | 05:36 |
jelkner | i need a bit of help getting idle to work | 05:36 |
jelkner | apparently, it binds to a tcp port | 05:36 |
jelkner | so the first person who launches it can run it, but everyone after that fails | 05:37 |
Yagisan | jelkner: I'm sorry, I have no idea what idle is. And from your description, it doesn't do what it's name suggests | 05:38 |
jelkner | ogra: should i file an edubuntu bug on this? | 05:38 |
highvoltage | jelkner: i know what idle is, but i don't know how to get around that. | 05:38 |
jelkner | Yagisan: idle is the default python IDE | 05:38 |
Yagisan | jelkner: I didn't know that, I thought with a name like that it would be used for spinning down disks (sounds like a powersaving app) | 05:39 |
highvoltage | hehe | 05:40 |
ogra | jelkner, ?? | 05:40 |
jelkner | Yagisan: like much in the Python world, it is a joke on Eric Idle | 05:40 |
ogra | jelkner, idle is *a* python ide... | 05:40 |
ogra | its not installed by default | 05:40 |
ogra | jelkner, file a bugzilla bug for it | 05:41 |
jelkner | ogra: but it is an edubuntu issue | 05:41 |
jelkner | not an ubuntu one | 05:41 |
jelkner | i think? | 05:42 |
jelkner | the problem is idle wants to bind to a tcp port | 05:42 |
jelkner | so the first one to connect to it can, but everyone else can't | 05:42 |
Yagisan | jelkner: ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu are the same base system, the difference is what is on the cd, and what is installed by default | 05:43 |
ogra | jelkner, idle bugs are not edubuntu related | 05:43 |
jelkner | ogra: i need to get some kind of usable, stable, python development environment going soon | 05:43 |
jelkner | ogra: what can i do? | 05:43 |
jelkner | all the wxpython tools have the mouse bug | 05:44 |
ogra | jelkner, file a bug in bugzilla against idle | 05:44 |
jelkner | so drpython and spe are not good choices | 05:44 |
jelkner | and now idle doesn't work either | 05:44 |
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Yagisan | what is wrong with using $EDITOR to write python code ? | 05:45 |
jelkner | Yagisan: like gedit, perhaps? | 05:46 |
Yagisan | I wasn't allowed to use an ide for programming at uni to prove I actually could write code | 05:46 |
jelkner | well, it is too slow to change, run, change, run | 05:46 |
Yagisan | yes, eg gedit | 05:46 |
jelkner | Yagisan: my goal is not to be "hard core", but rather inclusive | 05:47 |
jelkner | i'm not trying to seperate the men from the boys, but to include everyone | 05:47 |
jelkner | i want things to be easy for them | 05:47 |
highvoltage | jelkner: i think your approach is right | 05:47 |
Yagisan | jelkner: just a thought if you don't find an ide you like in time for when you need it | 05:47 |
jelkner | so as many students as possible can be exposed to programming | 05:47 |
ogra | jelkner, how about goby ? | 05:47 |
ogra | *gobby | 05:48 |
highvoltage | jelkner: running python from a terminal is also quite friendly enough for teaching. | 05:48 |
jelkner | ogra: what idle gives you is scripting and the shell integrated | 05:48 |
Yagisan | jelkner: I wish my uni teachers wanted to be inclusive, but that's off topic | 05:49 |
jelkner | so you can be working on a script, press <f5> and your code is loaded into the shell's namespace | 05:49 |
Yagisan | anyway it's almost 4am, so I need to go to bed | 05:49 |
jelkner | Yagisan: thanks for your help! | 05:49 |
jelkner | goodnight | 05:49 |
Yagisan | Night all, and I'll most likely see you tomorrow | 05:49 |
jelkner | highvoltage: yes, but it makes scripting more ackward | 05:50 |
jelkner | anyway, i want idle to work | 05:51 |
highvoltage | jelkner: i'm interested, what do you use to teach? | 05:51 |
highvoltage | do you have python curriculum? | 05:51 |
jelkner | highvoltage: i'm working on the second edition of "How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python" | 05:52 |
jelkner | and I'm using that | 05:52 |
jelkner | but mostly as a resource | 05:52 |
jelkner | i try to make the class as project based as possible | 05:53 |
jelkner | less talking, more doing | 05:53 |
highvoltage | nice. | 05:53 |
highvoltage | i made a guide in 2003 | 05:53 |
jelkner | cool, can i see it? | 05:53 |
highvoltage | let me re-phrase, I started with a guide in 2003, but had many distractions since then. | 05:53 |
highvoltage | sure, i'm uploading it now. | 05:53 |
highvoltage | jelkner: here it is: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/JonathanCarter/Python | 05:55 |
highvoltage | it's rougher than it should be to be at all useful, but it might give you a few ideas. | 05:55 |
jelkner | highvoltage: give me a few moments to report this bug, then i'll get back to you.. | 05:55 |
highvoltage | when i did that, i did it with grade 5+ in mind. | 05:55 |
highvoltage | ok. | 05:55 |
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highvoltage | edoo: logs for wiki.edubuntu | 06:01 |
edoo | #edubuntu Tue, 8 Nov, 17:26: <Yagisan> Burgundavia: No, check history on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe | 06:01 |
edoo | #edubuntu Tue, 8 Nov, 21:59: <bluefrog-10> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe | 06:01 |
edoo | #edubuntu Tue, 8 Nov, 23:53: <\sh> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity | 06:01 |
edoo | #edubuntu Wed, 9 Nov, 08:33: <cafuego_> Hmm, locked. Do any of you have edit access to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup ? | 06:01 |
edoo | #edubuntu Wed, 9 Nov, 18:55: <highvoltage> jelkner: here it is: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/JonathanCarter/Python | 06:01 |
jelkner | ogra: i had submitted the bug (#18714) on 31-10-2005, but it still said, "unconfirmed" | 06:11 |
ogra | so find someone who uses idle to confirm it ... | 06:12 |
ogra | additionally these are two totally unrelated bugs | 06:13 |
juliux | re | 06:14 |
ogra | one is a bug in tkinter (the first one) and the other is actually idle related it seems | 06:14 |
ogra | and the tkinter bug seems to be a missing dependency in ubuntu ... | 06:14 |
ogra | neither of them is edubuntu related | 06:14 |
ogra | jelkner, try to install xrgb and see if the first one goes away | 06:15 |
jelkner | ogra: starting with idle -n would do the trick | 06:17 |
jelkner | i don't understand why idle wants to connect to a port, but the problem is that each instance wants to connect to the same port | 06:18 |
jelkner | ogra: my concern, of course, is getting edubuntu to the point where teaching high school cs works "out of the box" | 06:19 |
jelkner | it doesn't now | 06:19 |
jelkner | ogra: what is xrgb supposed to do? | 06:20 |
ogra | installing rgb.txt which contains the rgb color mappings | 06:20 |
jelkner | is there a problem with the color mappings? | 06:20 |
jelkner | i never reported that | 06:20 |
ogra | thats why xorg-common depends on it, it didnt do that during the development version | 06:21 |
ogra | its the core of your bugreport | 06:21 |
jelkner | that was my old bug report | 06:21 |
jelkner | which was the problem i had with the prerelease install of edubuntu | 06:21 |
ogra | which number is your new one under then ? | 06:21 |
jelkner | hmm... i think i did the wrong thing | 06:22 |
jelkner | i didn't file a new one, since it was still a "idle won't start" problem | 06:22 |
jelkner | but i guess a new one is called for, yes? | 06:22 |
ogra | yes, you added a bugreport with edubuntu in its neam which has noting to do with edubuntu is the first problem | 06:23 |
ogra | the second was to just add a followup to this bug for a unrelated other bug | 06:23 |
ogra | yes | 06:23 |
jelkner | ogra: i'm sorry for the mess ups, oliver, but i'm just a simple man, and i make simple mistakes | 06:24 |
ogra | thats why you should be more descriptive in the subject line ... "idle doesnt start" is not a good short description | 06:24 |
jelkner | ok, but i didn't know what to put | 06:24 |
jelkner | i hope launchpad makes this easier | 06:24 |
jelkner | i'm new to bug reporting, as i'm sure many other people will be | 06:24 |
ogra | "idle fails becuse it cant find the color black" would directly have become a duplicate of an xrgb bug | 06:25 |
jelkner | ahh | 06:25 |
ogra | launchpad doesnt make the subject clearer, thats up to you | 06:25 |
ogra | try to be as descriptive as you can in the subject... | 06:25 |
jelkner | but a good system will have integrated help, that teaches new users to use the system | 06:25 |
ogra | so a new bugreport should be: "idle can't bind TCP/IP port 8833" | 06:26 |
jelkner | what to do now | 06:26 |
ogra | thats short but describes the core of the problem... | 06:26 |
jelkner | ? | 06:26 |
jelkner | i can file the new report | 06:26 |
jelkner | and remove the comment from the old one | 06:26 |
ogra | file a new bug with the above description | 06:26 |
ogra | does the color problem still occur for you in the final release ? | 06:27 |
jelkner | no | 06:27 |
jelkner | so this is an example of the upgrade process not doing something right | 06:27 |
ogra | so i'll close this one then... and you can just file a new one for the new prob :) | 06:28 |
ogra | nope | 06:28 |
jelkner | ok | 06:28 |
jelkner | nope? | 06:28 |
ogra | thats normal in a development cycle... | 06:28 |
jelkner | ahh | 06:28 |
ogra | the problem was fixed in the final release.... | 06:28 |
jelkner | how will upgrading to dapper work? | 06:29 |
ogra | its just that noone saw the relation of your bug to xrgb, so it was never closed when xrgb was fixed | 06:29 |
ogra | the same | 06:29 |
jelkner | ahh | 06:29 |
jelkner | the same? | 06:29 |
ogra | you change the repositorys and upgrade your system ;) | 06:29 |
jelkner | lol i know that! | 06:29 |
ogra | as it worked from wart to hoary and from hoary to breezy... | 06:29 |
ogra | *warty | 06:30 |
jelkner | what i'm asking is this: i have several edubuntu breezy sites set up | 06:30 |
jelkner | i will want them using dapper as soon as possible | 06:30 |
jelkner | but from the sound of it, i should wait until the official release | 06:30 |
ogra | you shouldnt do that in a production environment | 06:30 |
jelkner | shouldn't do what? | 06:31 |
jelkner | run the prerelease, or upgrade? | 06:31 |
ogra | upgrade to unstable releases | 06:31 |
ogra | things can break all the time, thats development | 06:31 |
jelkner | but upgrading to the final release will work, yes? | 06:31 |
ogra | sure | 06:31 |
jelkner | i understand | 06:31 |
jelkner | you mentioned something about having to chroot | 06:32 |
ogra | it will also work to the development release, but you might find strange bugs that make working impossible | 06:32 |
jelkner | ok, i have things working now | 06:32 |
ogra | so dont do it in production systems :) | 06:32 |
ogra | you can either chroot or rebuild the chroot environment.... | 06:33 |
jelkner | the only problem is, ogra, in the environment in which i'm working, all the systems are production systems | 06:33 |
ogra | i would recommend the latter since we'll make some heavy changes to the chroot | 06:33 |
ogra | thats why i said that :) | 06:33 |
ogra | set up a testing system to play around ;) | 06:34 |
jelkner | i have a removable hard drive that i can use to swap in a testing system | 06:34 |
ogra | but dont play with the patience of your users if they have strange development related bugs all the time, they will be upset | 06:34 |
jelkner | i understand | 06:35 |
jelkner | but i try to find the adventurouse students to help in the testing | 06:35 |
jelkner | i warn them that things will break | 06:35 |
jelkner | but if i don't let them bang on the system, i can't really test it | 06:35 |
ogra | true... | 06:35 |
jelkner | anyway, i mentioned the small environment with only four brave students using the system | 06:36 |
ogra | but for example if i change things on ltsp you will always have to rebuild the chroot... | 06:36 |
jelkner | is there a how to on that? | 06:37 |
ogra | and things in the chroot might be broken heavily... it will see very intrusive changes (you were there in the BOFs :) ) | 06:37 |
jelkner | yeah, i won't touch it for about 8 weeks, yes? | 06:37 |
ogra | i'll write one as soon as we have the first changes | 06:37 |
jelkner | at that point dapper will be ready to begin testing, yes? | 06:37 |
jelkner | since all new features will be in | 06:38 |
ogra | then there might still be bugs... bugs consist the whole release cycle | 06:38 |
jelkner | but aren't we testing to try to find bugs? | 06:38 |
ogra | all feature means also more beakage | 06:38 |
ogra | in 8 weeks the fixing begins | 06:38 |
jelkner | so the testing begins, yes? | 06:38 |
ogra | around prerelease the testing should be 50/50 | 06:39 |
ogra | before things might be broken heavily | 06:39 |
jelkner | i'll let you be my guide on when i should begin testing... | 06:39 |
ogra | yup | 06:39 |
ogra | i'll make a call on the mailing list and provide a wikipage with instructions | 06:40 |
jelkner | ok, bug #19429 is filed | 06:42 |
ogra | great | 06:42 |
jelkner | one other thing to ask about | 06:42 |
jelkner | we have a bug (and this time, i think it really is an edubuntu bug ;-) over at hb-woodlawn | 06:42 |
jelkner | whenever a user tries to logout, the session freezes | 06:43 |
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ogra | that rather sounds like a ltsp bug | 06:43 |
ogra | which in turn is a ubuntu feature ... | 06:43 |
jelkner | when i say edubuntu, i mean ubuntu ltsp | 06:44 |
jelkner | should i stop doing that? | 06:44 |
ogra | edubuntu bugs are bugs related to the educational software we provide, edubuntu metapackages or bugs in the installer changes i made | 06:44 |
ogra | so everything thats not in ubuntu but edubuntu | 06:45 |
jelkner | so moo-cow bugs are not part of that | 06:45 |
ogra | yup | 06:45 |
ogra | they are plain ubuntu ltsp bugs | 06:45 |
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jelkner | thanks, that clears things up | 06:45 |
ogra | the distinct use of a package in edubuntu makes a bug an edubuntu bug | 06:45 |
ogra | s/distinct/exclusive | 06:46 |
jelkner | how can you install moo-cow without edubuntu? | 06:46 |
ogra | there is a thin client howto anywhere on the wiki... | 06:46 |
ogra | but beware, many users added strange comments so the instructionsa might be wrong or broken | 06:47 |
jelkner | yes, and there are docs which refer to installing the old ltsp | 06:47 |
ogra | nope | 06:47 |
ogra | not these | 06:47 |
jelkner | hold on... | 06:47 |
ogra | they will get deleted as soon as we can, they created a lot of confusion | 06:47 |
jelkner | good | 06:48 |
ogra | like the packaging bug you discovered in ltsp-server ;) | 06:48 |
jelkner | is that fixed? | 06:49 |
ogra | nope | 06:49 |
ogra | i will fix it in my first upload... but i have some other tasks to do before i can work on ltsp | 06:49 |
ogra | especially converting the archive from bazaar to baz and convince my contributors for ltsp to do the same | 06:50 |
ogra | before i cant do any packaging | 06:50 |
jelkner | i understand, my only concern is that i'll be working with the folks at citi to setup those five labs soon | 06:51 |
jelkner | and in one of those labs, we have clients with 32 megs of RAM | 06:52 |
ogra | it doesnt harm anything, its just a wrong dependency | 06:52 |
ogra | ah, k | 06:52 |
jelkner | so i'm thinking classic ltsp is the way to go there | 06:52 |
ogra | then just install the classic ltsp | 06:52 |
ogra | so just install ltsp-utils and you have everything you need | 06:52 |
jelkner | got it | 06:53 |
ogra | for the rest i have to refer you to the lrsp docs, i never instralled classic ltsp | 06:53 |
ogra | s/lrsp/ltsp | 06:53 |
jelkner | as long as there are going to be 2 versions, it would be helpful to clear up the naming conventions | 06:54 |
jelkner | do you like calling the old one "classic ltsp"? | 06:54 |
jelkner | and what should moo-cow be called that clearly distinguishes it? | 06:54 |
ogra | it wont matter anymore... ltsp-utils will be demoted to universe in dapper anyway | 06:55 |
jelkner | it still will matter | 06:55 |
highvoltage | i'm surprised that it's in breezy's main. | 06:55 |
ogra | moo-cow will not go into ubuntu... its feastures will be included in ubuntu ltsp, thats why we worked on the specs together | 06:56 |
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jelkner | if we find there are circumstances where it is still needed (like low end clients), then i will still want to document it on the wiki | 06:56 |
jelkner | and i don't want to cause confusion | 06:56 |
ogra | you were there when we made the specs... | 06:57 |
jelkner | yes? | 06:57 |
ogra | no need for classic ltsp anymore ... | 06:57 |
ogra | ubuntu ltsp will support 32MB | 06:57 |
jelkner | in dapper, you mean | 06:57 |
ogra | yes | 06:58 |
jelkner | there still is now | 06:58 |
ogra | now, use the ltsp docs | 06:58 |
jelkner | fair enough | 06:58 |
ogra | they apply for the classic ltsp | 06:58 |
ogra | and to get all the tools you need for classic, just install ltsp-utils :) | 06:59 |
jelkner | let me make one more comment and i'll let you be ;-) | 06:59 |
jelkner | i've noticed that breezy does not install on lots of older machines | 07:00 |
jelkner | something to do with the cdrom drives | 07:00 |
ogra | there i can only refer you to Kamion | 07:01 |
jelkner | i keep wondering if it is possible to be all things to all computers in one distro | 07:01 |
ogra | i'm not deep into installer stuff | 07:01 |
ajmitch_ | hi | 07:01 |
ogra | hey ajmitch_ | 07:01 |
ogra | home already ? | 07:01 |
highvoltage | jelkner: what kind of old machines? | 07:01 |
ajmitch_ | how are you? | 07:01 |
ajmitch_ | no, in the US | 07:01 |
ogra | tired | 07:01 |
jelkner | i'm not looking for a solution to this (i just use debian stable), but trying to make a general point | 07:01 |
ogra | *very* | 07:01 |
highvoltage | some old bioses just can't boot newer cd's. | 07:01 |
ajmitch_ | :) | 07:02 |
ogra | jelkner, yes, but i cant help here at al | 07:02 |
ajmitch_ | ogra: you need to take a holiday "_ | 07:02 |
ajmitch_ | .ca, perhaps | 07:02 |
ogra | ajmitch_, only 8 weeks :) | 07:02 |
jelkner | ogra: i understand, i'm not asking you to | 07:02 |
ogra | i'll take my holiday after feature freeze ;) | 07:02 |
ajmitch_ | heh | 07:02 |
jelkner | but this will be an issue for ubuntu ltsp, even in dapper | 07:02 |
jelkner | i'm saying i'm not sure it will be so easy to get it to work with older machines | 07:03 |
jelkner | since that is not an ubuntu focus | 07:03 |
jelkner | but is necessary in edubuntu | 07:03 |
ogra | you wont have old machins as servers, they wont be able to fulfill the basic requirementsd | 07:03 |
jelkner | ok, i'll drop this for now until i get a concrete case | 07:03 |
jelkner | i'm just thinking we will find times when older clients don't work | 07:03 |
ogra | you dont need the installer on old machines | 07:04 |
ogra | and CD roms will be supported by the installed kernel/udev... | 07:04 |
jelkner | and if that kernel doesn't work with the older clients? | 07:05 |
ogra | the problem with the installer are certain driverse some old CD roms need | 07:05 |
ogra | s/driverse/drivers | 07:05 |
ogra | which are not included in the installer,m but in the installed kernel | 07:05 |
jelkner | i need to leave for my next class, but i'm eager to begin testing dapper with old clients as soon as you think it is ready | 07:06 |
jelkner | i've got plenty of old clients around, and it is a very important use case | 07:06 |
ogra | will still take some weeks to have the first stuff to test for you :) | 07:06 |
jelkner | yes, i know | 07:06 |
jelkner | so let me be quite now and let you take care of more important things! ;-) | 07:07 |
jelkner | i'll talk to you later... | 07:07 |
jelkner | (and i'll file that ltsp bug today) | 07:08 |
jelkner | on bugzilla | 07:08 |
jelkner | cya | 07:08 |
ogra | hmm, i really doubt http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19429 is a bug, he should do as the message says and read the help ... | 07:10 |
highvoltage | i haven't seen the error message he sees. | 07:17 |
ogra | me neither ... | 07:19 |
highvoltage | ah, there it is on his ticket "Run | 07:46 |
highvoltage | ah, there it is on his ticket "IDLE with the -n command line switch | 07:46 |
highvoltage | to start without a subprocess and refer | 07:46 |
highvoltage | to Help/IDLE Help 'Running without a | 07:46 |
highvoltage | subprocess' for further details." | 07:46 |
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Snderfox | hi | 07:54 |
Snderfox | anyone here familiar with SchoolTool ? | 07:55 |
[cyb3rM4N] | hi | 07:55 |
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highvoltage | Snderfox: i've played with it before, but if you need very specific help, you might need to try #schooltool | 08:05 |
Snderfox | k | 08:06 |
Snderfox | highvoltage: I can't find the default user and pass | 08:06 |
highvoltage | i think the username is "manager" and the password is "schooltool" | 08:09 |
Snderfox | k, I'll try | 08:10 |
Snderfox | tnx | 08:10 |
Snderfox | :) | 08:10 |
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highvoltage | edoo: schooltool.password is <reply> Schooltools default username is "manager", and the password is "schooltool" | 08:12 |
edoo | highvoltage: okay | 08:12 |
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[cyb3rM4N] | zzzZZZZzzz... | 08:18 |
highvoltage | [cyb3rM4N] : sleepy? | 08:19 |
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[cyb3rM4N] | yes, i am from brazil... | 08:20 |
juliux | hi ogra | 09:03 |
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francoisb | Bonjour, j'avais demand conseil pour un problme de clavier QWERTY sur les clients LTSP | 09:17 |
francoisb | J'ai test l'adresse propose : http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPClientKeymap | 09:18 |
francoisb | Cela fonctionne trs bien, merci beaucoup. | 09:18 |
francoisb | Autre question : Existe-t-il un programme qui permette d'diter une image iso de Edubuntu pour ajouter un "language-pack"? | 09:22 |
bluefrog-10 | je pense que tu pourrais copier l'iso sur le disque dur, puis inserer ton pack (sans oublier les dependances) et ensuite refaire l'iso | 09:26 |
francoisb | Oui, mais le gestionnaire d'archive est en lecture seule | 09:27 |
bluefrog-10 | tu crees un dir la ou tu as de la place | 09:28 |
bluefrog-10 | mkdir /home/test | 09:28 |
bluefrog-10 | mkdir /mnt/iso | 09:28 |
bluefrog-10 | mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/iso | 09:29 |
bluefrog-10 | cd /mnt/iso | 09:29 |
ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo | 09:29 |
ogra | ;) | 09:29 |
bluefrog-10 | tar c . | tar x -C /home/test | 09:29 |
bluefrog-10 | cool | 09:29 |
francoisb | Wonderful! | 09:29 |
ogra | you need to do a bit more, like modifying the included archive data to make a added package known etc | 09:30 |
ogra | see "Modify pool structure to include/delete packages" to add a language package | 09:30 |
francoisb | Ok, I have a look immediately. | 09:32 |
cafuego_ | Guys, there's a small issue on the wiki as well. The default /etc/exports needs to have the '*' changed into an actual network/netmask. | 10:08 |
francoisb | I give up for today. I'm not good enough in Linux AND English reading to do that. | 10:09 |
ogra | cafuego_, why ? | 10:10 |
ogra | and where on the wiki is that ? | 10:10 |
cafuego_ | ogra: The postsetup should perhaps mention it. | 10:10 |
ogra | why ? | 10:11 |
cafuego_ | ogra: My servers (all three attempts) disallow mounts when * is used instead of a netwrork/mask entry. | 10:11 |
ogra | it works fine with the wildcard... | 10:11 |
ogra | your edubuntu ? | 10:11 |
cafuego_ | ogra: No, it doesn't here. | 10:11 |
cafuego_ | ogra: Yeah, default 5.10 install. | 10:11 |
ogra | cafuego_, thats been tested many times, file a bug against ltsp-server if it doenst work on a unmodified edubuntu | 10:12 |
cafuego_ | it's a fucntion of portmap/nfsd though, isn't it? | 10:13 |
cafuego_ | Use launchpad to file a bug? | 10:13 |
ogra | but it gets set by ltsp-server | 10:13 |
ogra | nope, bugzilla | 10:13 |
ogra | nad it surely works for many users out there, i'm quite surprised | 10:13 |
ogra | s/nad/and | 10:14 |
cafuego_ | This is going to sound odd, but I just changed it back and _now_ it's happy with it :-/ | 10:15 |
ogra | what was the error you got ? | 10:16 |
cafuego_ | Initially I got "mount: 10.10.42.250:/opt/ltsp/i386 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied" on all the clients. | 10:17 |
cafuego_ | And on the server the usual "mount request from unknown host 10.10.42.80 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386)" | 10:18 |
ogra | hmm, strange... | 10:18 |
cafuego_ | I concur <heh> | 10:18 |
cafuego_ | Those errors are what got me to change exoports to begin with; I check hosts.{allow,deny} but they were both empty and shouldn't make a difference in that case. | 10:19 |
ogra | yup | 10:19 |
ogra | i guess the restart after editing the file fixed it... | 10:20 |
cafuego_ | Quite possibly, oh well. i'll leave it, see what happens on (a) next install.. then file a bug if it recurs again. | 10:20 |
ogra | could you try rebooting the server with the default setting and see if it occurs again ? | 10:21 |
cafuego_ | Yeh, vmware, so easy :-) | 10:21 |
ogra | ah, vmware... | 10:21 |
ogra | might be an interface issue ... | 10:22 |
cafuego_ | For what it's worth, the P233 did it too | 10:22 |
ogra | ok | 10:22 |
cafuego_ | I just switched to vmware coz that's an Athlon with far too much ram, so it runs somewhat faster. | 10:22 |
ogra | then i revert that theory | 10:22 |
cafuego_ | rebooting... | 10:23 |
juliux | ogra, take a look at http://www.juliux.de/linux/ubuntubanner1.jpg | 10:25 |
cafuego_ | Would you know offhand if it's particularly hard to make the server authenticate against a novell directory server? (I'm checking this out for a guy at a school here) | 10:26 |
ogra | erm... the colors are somewhat erm, pinkish... | 10:26 |
juliux | ogra, is from my mobiletelefoncamera | 10:26 |
ogra | cafuego_, i havent played with nds yet | 10:26 |
ogra | juliux, so assuming the colors are right it looks fine :) | 10:27 |
cafuego_ | Cool... I'll make sure to document what I do then when I get around to it :-) | 10:27 |
ogra | cafuego_, cool, thanks :) | 10:27 |
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juliux | ogra, http://www.mpathy.de/files/messe-ubuntu/ubuntu_BANNER_okay.pdf there you can see the right colors | 10:28 |
ogra | woah... | 10:28 |
ogra | heavy orange :) | 10:28 |
juliux | ogra, but everybody on a fair will see that there ist the *ubuntu both | 10:29 |
cafuego_ | yes, why do germans like to use dutch royal orange? ;-) | 10:29 |
juliux | cafuego_, it is a ubuntu orange | 10:29 |
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ogra | cafuego_, because it looks cool ;) | 10:29 |
juliux | cafuego_, it looks very very cool | 10:30 |
ogra | we have no royals here, so we have to steal from our neighbors ;) | 10:30 |
juliux | ogra, the banner is 0.8m x 2.5m | 10:30 |
cafuego_ | Oh come on, Angela has all the making of a queen, surely ;-) | 10:31 |
juliux | cafuego_, lol | 10:31 |
ogra | yes, thts what my laptop just discovered too when i switched to 100% size and the CPU freaked out ;) | 10:31 |
ogra | *shudder* | 10:31 |
cafuego_ | ogra: nfs is happy on reboot, oh well. | 10:31 |
ogra | hmm | 10:32 |
ogra | weird | 10:32 |
ogra | did you reboot it before or was this right after install ? | 10:32 |
cafuego_ | Right after install it had the problem; I didn't reboot it at that point, just edited the exports file and restarted the nfs server. | 10:33 |
ogra | strange ... | 10:33 |
ogra | it sounds like a portmap issue ... | 10:34 |
juliux | this is windows like | 10:34 |
cafuego_ | .. and without KDE, very special. | 10:34 |
ogra | heh | 10:34 |
cafuego_ | ogra: Well, I'll see how I go and chalk it up to gremlins if it doesn't reoccur. | 10:34 |
ogra | yes, but if you had it on two independent installs its somewhat worrying, i'll keep an eye on it | 10:35 |
cafuego_ | I'll set up another server on vmware, see how that fares. | 10:36 |
ogra | do you use one or two NICs ? | 10:36 |
cafuego_ | just the one | 10:37 |
ogra | hmm... | 10:37 |
cafuego_ | Ok, that's booting off the ISO... should be done in about an hour. | 10:38 |
ogra | thanks | 10:38 |
cafuego_ | Oh the only thing that comes to mind is that i use a different box as dhcp server; it refers clients to edubuntu via the next-server directive. | 10:41 |
ogra | hmm | 10:43 |
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cafuego_ | ogra: Nope, it's ahppy now. oh well :-) | 11:44 |
ogra | ok, gremlins or cosmic rays | 11:49 |
ogra | :-) | 11:49 |
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