=== signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-16-12-170.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === bumparocky [n=rockwell@c-24-63-196-242.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === bumparocky [n=rockwell@c-24-63-196-242.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh [n=nsh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #edubuntu [02:43] hello [02:44] newbiw question, why is not smbfs part of it?...windows connectivity a must here [02:46] great job , though, very impressive...would like freenx technology also === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@138-176-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [04:11] hi all === cafuego_ [n=cafuego_@ppp77-178.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has left #edubuntu [] [04:13] hi === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-79-237-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp77-178.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp77-178.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has left #edubuntu [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === zzone [n=daniel@CPE000bdb97337f-CM000f2120db83.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego_ [n=cafuego_@ppp77-178.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.240.209.108] has joined #edubuntu [07:02] hi all [07:02] is ogra around? [07:03] perhaps, but he may still be in Montreal or enroute home [07:03] hmmm ok :) [07:03] zakame, I think he is travelling right now [07:04] the ltsp guys finished yesterday, if my memory serves me correctly [07:04] anyway, can i request edubuntu cds via shipit? [07:04] Burgundavia: oh [07:04] ogra [07:04] OGRA [07:04] wake uuuuuupp!!! [07:04] :) [07:14] edubuntu is giving me too much grief! [07:15] how come? [07:16] No matter what i do, I can't login via a netbooted client (I got them booting OK now) [07:17] Do I need to manually add users in the chroot? [07:17] I thought I could ltsp into gdm (xdmcp) back to the server. [07:23] cafuego_: on the sever ltsp-update-sshkeys reboot client and try again === cafuego_ grumpily deleted it, so will reinstall && try again ;-) [07:30] Also means I can do it in vmware and not on the crusty P233 [07:32] Oh, there is a buglet actually, /etc/exports here won't accept * as network/mask. === cafuego_ should update that in the wiki === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu [07:34] Hmm, locked. Do any of you have edit access to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup ? === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [10:25] Yagisan: ... and the people rejoiced. Thankyou :-) === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.213.221.14] has joined #edubuntu === trondm_gone is now known as trondm === zakame [n=zak@210.213.80.87] has joined #edubuntu === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === bluefrog-10 [n=James@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E5A43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === zzone [n=daniel@CPE000bdb97337f-CM000f2120db83.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] === mhz [n=mhz@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] hi all [12:51] highvoltage, ping [12:51] hello ghz (free upgrade) [12:52] hi cafuego_ [12:52] you left b4 I could get back with the files :) [12:52] my hosting provider's uplink died :-( [12:52] oops [12:52] Yeh [12:52] it's OK though, got it all working now. [12:52] cafuego_, are you keen on rescuing (rm -rf) data? [12:53] mhz; That's why i run rsync every night. [12:53] (coz rm -rf is sometimes not your friend) [12:53] me too, except I got confused with domains :( [12:53] and yesterday night i did a lot of work [12:54] which unless I rescue in next 5 minutes, I'd be lost for my talk [12:54] isn't the an undelete thingie for ext2? [12:54] hmm, me ignorant on that [12:55] however i do use ext3 [12:55] http://www.billjonas.com/papers/undeletion.html === mhz reading [12:57] try to mount the partitoon with the files read-only ASAP [01:00] cafuego_, glup! I'd betta start rescuing [01:00] thx for the cheering up [01:23] bah === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away [01:59] anyone seen JaneW around? [01:59] edoo: seen JaneW [02:00] JaneW was last seen on #edubuntu 35 years, 321 days, 13 hours, 6 seconds ago, saying: np [Thu Jan 1 01:59:59 1970] [02:01] hmmm... [02:02] lol [02:02] i think my small server at home's time is a bit out :) === pitux [n=jose@106-43-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=chatzill@127.5.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu [02:15] highvoltage: hi [02:15] hi pips1 [02:15] i'm just on my way to a quick meeting at work, talk to you later? [02:16] ok, I take it the next official meeting is 16 Nov 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu [02:16] ? === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-79-237-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [02:50] Yagisan: hi there [02:50] G'day mhz === mhz will relogin === Grant_ [i=grant@85-210-43-207.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=chatzill@127.5.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #edubuntu [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.194.150] has joined #edubuntu [03:08] hi all, anyone here know anything about the new virtual file system? [03:08] i've done something *very* bad to my hard drive :-( [03:09] jelkner: no. What did you do ? === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu [03:19] Yagisan: here is what i did: [03:20] 1. i installed edubuntu on a new hard drive [03:20] 2. for file system configuration, i chose "auto configure with virtual file system" [03:20] (or something like that) [03:21] 3. since everything worked, i wanted to get /home copied over from the old system [03:21] 4. so i put it on the other ide chain, and planed to mount it and copy, like i've done many times in the past [03:22] 5. but when i went to mount it, i couldn't find the partition (hdc2) [03:22] 6. when i put it back in the computer as the main drive, grub could no longer find a file system [03:23] i've got an ubuntu live boot in there now [03:23] oh dear [03:23] yeah! [03:23] when you did 2, was the old drive in the pc ? [03:24] no [03:24] I think it should have said LVM on install [03:24] but it did something to that drive when i booted up the new system with the old system present [03:24] hold on, let me try fdisk -l and see what i get [03:25] ok, the new file system is called LVM [03:25] Ah, I understand a bit clearer now [03:26] I also use lvm (actually lvm over raid) [03:27] I'll take a quick look and see what it tried to do when you put a new drive in [03:27] did /var/log/syslog have any messages in there related to your hdc2 ? [03:29] sudo lvdisplay will give you a list of your lvm partitions (it scans all installed disks IIRC) [03:30] sudo lvscan is less verbose === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu [03:32] jelkner: do you have gpart on that cd ? [03:33] i don't know, does the breezy live cd have it? [03:33] jelkner: I have no idea, I've never used the live cd, but if not [03:33] i have the broken drive in the /dev/hda postion [03:33] you can download from here http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ [03:34] and when i try mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 it can't find it [03:34] let me look [03:34] run gpart.linux /dev/hda [03:35] does it find your partition table ? [03:36] i just ran gparted [03:36] it is a gnome app [03:36] and it is on the live cd [03:36] jelkner: gpart != gparted [03:36] oh [03:36] jelkner: why are the names always so similar [03:37] gpart doesn't seem to be there [03:37] anyway, did gparted show a correct partition table for /dev/hda ? [03:37] no [03:37] oh dear [03:37] here is what it has: [03:38] /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot [03:38] and [03:39] /dev/mapper/casper-cow [03:39] this whole /dev/mapper stuff is new to me [03:39] jelkner: that looks like the livecd partition table [03:40] ok, ubuntu live does not mount harddrive partitions without being told [03:40] jelkner: don't worry /dev/mapper is a more flexible partition table (when it works) [03:40] jelkner: doesn't seem that way [03:40] i know that it doesn't [03:41] so how can i make it mount what i think should be /dev/hda [03:41] s/hda2/hda [03:41] s/hda/hda2/ :) [03:41] thanks ;-) [03:42] fdisk /dev/hda says hda can not be found [03:42] is there an easy way to prob what is available? [03:42] dmesg | grep hda [03:42] hold on, let me try that... [03:43] If that produces nothing, double check the cables [03:44] on my system I get [03:44] [ 26.852400] ide0: BM-DMA at 0xb000-0xb007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio [03:44] as the first line of output [03:45] second line is [03:45] [ 27.235047] hda: ST3200822A, ATA DISK drive [03:45] that is the important line [03:45] yeah, i get something like that: [03:45] [4294702.837000] ide0: MB-DMA at ... BIOS settings: hda: pio, hdb, pio [03:46] now, how can i look at hda to see what the file system table looks like? [03:46] jelkner: do you have anything that looks like the second line ? if not I suspect a loose cable [03:47] dmesg | grep hda only returned one line [03:47] before we pull the case off, try dmesg | grep hdc [03:48] it looks like a loose cable, but we will double check it is where we think it is [03:50] Yagisan: i don't think it is a loose cable [03:50] i can get to grup [03:50] s/grup/grub [03:51] and it can read the menu.lst file [03:51] jelkner: That line that dmesg returned indicates the hard drive isn't on /dev/hda, but you get grub, so it must be on hdb, hdc or hdd [03:51] but it can't find a file system when you try to load the kernel [03:51] hold on, let me reboot from the hard drive to get more details [03:54] morning all. [03:55] jelkner, did you solve the idle problem?? [03:55] Hello all [03:55] vmarks, Hi! [03:56] neurogeek: yes, by reinstalling === trondm is now known as trondm_gone [03:56] Yagisan: don't ask me why, but this time, the old system booted properly! [03:56] yeah! [03:57] I'm going to burn the home directories onto a cd [03:57] and install them on the new system that way [03:57] ok, i've got what i need, thanks! [03:58] jelkner: It's a sign, backup now :) [03:59] jelkner: glad it's working for you [03:59] G'day vmarks, neurogeek [04:01] Yagisan, Hello!! [04:01] jelkner, good!! [04:04] neurogeek, how are you today, I've a had a scorching day today, and it's still 27 degrees celsius at 2am [04:04] so I can't sleep :( [04:06] its pretty humid here as well in manila atm [04:09] Yagisan, bad to hear that.. in here is pretty hot these days too. Air Conditioning Systems rules === Yagisan doesn't have an air conditioner :( [04:11] Yagisan, sorry to hear that.. What part of Australia are you in? [04:11] jsgotangco: manila, it would be around midnight there ? [04:11] neurogeek: Sydney [04:12] Yagisan, Good.. i've always wanted to live there === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:12] Yagisan: its only past 11pm [04:12] re [04:12] neurogeek: ?? really, it's been interesting the last few days [04:12] mhz: wb [04:13] but i'll be sleeping soon I have to be early at work (i just started at a new place) [04:13] Yagisan: how's things going? [04:13] jsgotangco: ok then [04:13] jsgotangco: Mr. RH admin [04:13] mhz: it's pretty neat really [04:13] mhz: I have some interesting news for you, and I wanted to chat to you about biz [04:13] Yagisan: did you get the urls for TC and Esfera sumup? [04:14] so you did [04:14] :) [04:14] mhz: yes, that is part of what I want to chat about [04:14] Yagisan: what time will you log in ? how many more hours? [04:14] biz? [04:14] jsgotangco: you know :D [04:15] mhz: it's 27 degrees and 2am, I can't sleep [04:15] hehehehe === jsgotangco likes some biz too [04:15] i see [04:15] mhz: so I'm up for a while === Yagisan checks his world clock [04:15] Yagisan: but I am solving rm -rf ATM [04:16] and I gotta get ready for a edubuntu demo at a university [04:16] mhz: It's what 12:15 in Santiago now (you are in Santiago right ?) [04:16] yup [04:16] so, I'll be leaving anytime soon [04:16] therefore, could it be either email or lets' meet in XYZ hours? === raoulduke [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F557.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:18] mhz: ok, perhaps email is better. I need to take my wife to hospital for a checkup today [04:18] she is due in 10 days [04:18] WOW!!! [04:18] and I won't be back until late afternoot my time [04:18] s/afternoot/afternoon [04:18] that is X PM? [04:19] (+ -) === Yagisan is looking === mhz is also burning 16 edubuntu cd :( [04:21] mhz, looking http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=10&month=11&year=2005&p1=240&p2=232&p3=-1&p4=-1 [04:21] is 10pm my time 8am your time good ? [04:22] 22:30 could be betta :D [04:22] is it ok 4u? [04:22] mhz: I'm flexible between 10pm and 1am my time [04:23] hihihi === symbulos [n=symbulos@host213-122-141-246.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:24] hi si juliux there? [04:24] juliux: are you online? [04:24] ops, away [04:25] Yagisan: cool, then. 22:30 (8:30 my time, tomorrow)? [04:25] mhz: yes [04:25] cool [04:25] and if you want you can still pre-tell me via mail === symbulos [n=symbulos@host213-122-141-246.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #edubuntu ["Hi] === mhz must log off now [04:26] mhz: I just noted that in my diary, will be there, and If I have time, I'll send a prelim email [04:26] educool\ [04:26] mhz: see you tommorow [04:26] bye then and hope good news from hostpital :D [04:27] jsgotangco: you are a RH admin ? [04:28] at work yes, i'm taking the rhce exam next month [04:28] jsgotangco: you poor thing ;) [04:28] brb [04:29] Yagisan: it'll kill my contribution output for sure === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [04:35] false alarm [04:37] jsgotangco: just standard sys-admin or network admin work ? [04:38] ogra: hi there [04:38] hi Yagisan [04:38] should http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/StepByStepLtspSetup be on our documentation page? [04:38] hey highvoltage [04:39] it explains how to install ltsp.org on Ubuntu, I think it might be confusing to people. [04:39] eeek ! [04:39] wipe it please [04:39] Yagisan: a little of both, and a little more on game concepts [04:39] i'll remove it from the documentation page, i think hno73 is the only one who can delete pages. [04:39] it will break heavily if you run ltspadmin on top of edubuntu [04:40] and the way it is it won't work straight on 5.10 either [04:41] G'day highvoltage [04:41] jsgotangco: games ? lucky you [04:42] Yagisan: it only looks cool to work on computer games, in reality it can be hell [04:43] jsgotangco: In my spare time I maintain a game for Ubuntu - I know it can be hell [04:43] jsgotangco: but you get paid for it [04:44] highvoltage: yeah that page is definitely in the wrong spot [04:45] a question i'm going to ask here and on -doc as well... [04:45] can anyone please take time to review what's in the Cookbook, i'm afraid my schedule won't accomodate it anymore for dapper [04:45] it's the best option to use the ubuntu doc team for ubuntu and edubuntu, right? [04:46] or would it be better to have a subteam of the docteam for edubuntu-doc? [04:46] highvoltage: i dont think anyone in the docteam is interested in edubuntu at all [04:48] jsgotangco: do you feel that a sub-group would be better, or should we encourage everyone who wants to work on edubuntu-doc to join the main docteam? === jsgotangco feels a subgroup would be better [04:49] i think educators are better like mhz [04:50] ok, it might make things easier to manage. the subgroup will be part of the doc-team on launchpad, so people will indirectly be part of ubuntu-doc. [04:51] ogra: do you know who https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-graywolfcomputers is? [04:51] he started a team called LTSPUbuntu. [04:51] has he been involved in the Ubuntu LTSP implementation / do you know who he is? [04:52] he is one of the ltsp.org guys, i see he is in #ltsp [04:52] so this seems fine to me... [04:52] i'll join his team... since i'll become upstream for ubuntu ltsp soon, matt will hand it over to me [04:53] ogra: excellent, and I know just where to find you hahahahaha === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.251] has joined #edubuntu [04:53] heh [04:54] ogra: cool. [04:54] first let me become familiar with bzr ... since we also switch from bazaar for this tree [04:54] i'll join ltsp too. [04:54] you are already member [04:54] at least the team page ays so [04:54] ogra: Lets start by getting rid of that foolish idea that thin clients don't need restricted modules [04:54] i meant #ltsp :) [04:54] sorry. [04:55] ah :) [04:55] ogra: i'm happy that you're taking over the ltsp part, just because you're more accessable than mdz [04:56] yes, that's the reason... [04:56] ogra: I'm also interested in the team, but I freely admit I'm not much of a coder [04:56] he just has to much other stuff to do... he'll still review the patches though [04:56] ogra: oh yes, you were away... I'm also now an Ubuntu member. [04:56] highvoltage, i read the report on -devel today, congrats [04:58] thanks :) [04:58] highvoltage: congratulations (my digest must be delayed, I haven't seen it yet) [04:58] thanks, Yagisan === pitux [n=jose@183-42-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === edoo [n=edoo@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [04:59] edoo: hola [04:59] hi there, highvoltage! [05:00] join #Comos [05:00] ogra: are you seriously removing restricted modules from the clients to save ram ? [05:01] why does the thin clients need restricted modules? [05:02] highvoltage: I like having 3d acceleration on my clients, but restricted also has firmware [05:02] highvoltage: which makes things work [05:02] good night [05:03] highvoltage: on hoary, restricted modules where on disk, in breezy they are in tmpfs [05:03] jsgotangco: goodnight [05:03] jsgotangco: goodnight [05:03] ah. [05:03] highvoltage: so now restricted is needlessly using up ram [05:04] highvoltage: and I have no idea why that was thought to be a good idea [05:04] highvoltage, see the thin client specs we worked out at ubz (not fifshed yet) they talk about things like restricted modules === Yagisan was reading the specs a short while ago [05:04] Yagisan, for normal systems thats fine ... [05:05] ah, ok. well, reducing the number of restricted modules in thin clients will certainly help? [05:05] but on thin clients its pretty useles to have them installed by default [05:05] yes, but thin clients aren't normal, there thin [05:05] i mean, ipw2200 firmware is probably never needed in thin clients. [05:05] we'll wipe them completely [05:06] who thinks he needs a nvidia or ati binary driver can still install them later === Yagisan looks like he'll be building his own kernel packages for his thin clients then [05:07] isdn will never be used on a thin client and as long as we dont support wlan we wont need the other modules [05:07] ogra: isn't there a proposal for wireless ltsp [05:07] ? [05:07] nope [05:07] there are several whishes.... [05:08] but you'll need at least 16MB for a working bootimage ... (the initramfs is huge) [05:08] so bootfloppies wont work for example [05:09] ogra: and that is why $DEITY created rom-o-matic [05:09] there is no wlan support for rom-o-matic images afaik [05:09] not even pcmcia [05:10] s/for/from/ [05:11] i think it will be safe to increase the thin client minimum spec to 64MB soon. [05:12] people really shouldn't implement pc's that so old that they have less than that at this stage. [05:12] nopr [05:12] e [05:12] we just agreed on 32MB [05:13] i think it's a good target [05:13] so the default setup must run on 32MB ... which will cost u a lot... but all the ltsp people seemed to agree with jelkners approach [05:14] i'd just have set the spec to 64MB.... since we'll never be able to support 32MN *and* local devices [05:14] well, non-ubuntu ltsp boots and runs in 32MB [05:14] but that doesnt use hal and udev for automagic hotplugging for example [05:15] if these two have to run on the client we'll nee more than 32MB [05:15] oh, and dbus indeed [05:15] i think you'll have memory challenges with xdmcp as well if you want to do local deviced effeciently. there's just no way around it, afaict. [05:16] memory compression anyone ? [05:16] we will never suport xdmcp in a default install [05:16] Yagisan, what solition are there ? i havent seen anything in this area yet === Yagisan remembered when such products were sold for a competing system [05:17] ogra: I remember seeing a compressed cacheing solution awhile ago [05:18] hmm... [05:18] might be quite CPU intensive i imagine === Yagisan remembers hp had something like that for linux [05:19] i vaguely remember something like that too, [05:19] but i think it booted from local memory, and then got the user environment remotely. [05:19] so i don't think it needed as much memory as ltsp. [05:19] whitepaper here http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Sumit_Roy/publications/ipdps01.pdf [05:21] eeek [05:21] thats using swap [05:22] wont work in a thin client solution... if you swap you have lost [05:22] swap should only be used as fallback so the client doesnt crash if it runs out of mem [05:23] i like the concept of compressed memory. [05:23] but if you swap during normal usage the systwm becomes unusable [05:23] assuming you're swapping over the network. [05:23] what if it swaps to compressed ram? [05:23] surely that should be faster? [05:24] this looks similar http://www.research.ibm.com/servertechnologies/MXT.html but may be hardware [05:24] although, on 32MB there's probably not much you can do. [05:24] if you run out, you run out or swap externaly. [05:25] this implementation uses the swap device for compressing... so you have read/write operations on the networked swap device ... [05:25] ah i see. === Yagisan is looking for another implementation [05:25] which is slow as hell no matter how hard you compress [05:25] yes :/ [05:26] and compressing the main memory wont work without heav intrusive kernel changes [05:26] which is nothing we can do in dapper ... [05:26] dapper is due o be the most conservative ubuntu release ever [05:27] closest I can find atm is http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20030428_214.html#11 [05:28] so linking the clients to ulibc is out of the question ? [05:28] whats ulibc ? [05:28] we use klibc [05:29] a typo. should ub uclibc [05:29] http://www.uclibc.org/ [05:29] ogra: will dapper be more conservative to focus on quality and testing? [05:30] just import debian's i386-uclibc port, and rebrand it as the thin client debootstrap script [05:30] highvoltage, yes, we have to support this release for 5 years... [05:30] instant shrink of all apps that use libc [05:30] oooh, I see. [05:30] that means a month less development time, earlier freezes and more time for bugfixes [05:31] Yagisan, i doubt thats feasable for dapper [05:31] but i'll have a look [05:31] ah, but it is interesting isn't it. [05:31] yup === Yagisan wishes he had been able to attend the bof [05:32] they were fun [05:33] except the local device stuff that was very hard to get specced... (we had a guy there who was very pedantic, was not real fun to have discussions there) === Yagisan might not be able to code well, but I like to squeeze every last ounce of space and performance from his boxes [05:33] Is he in the ltsp-3110.ogg ? I watched that today [05:35] he ? [05:35] oh, nope, thats scotty [05:35] he is fine and fun to work with... [05:35] as all the ltsp guys [05:35] Yagisan: or highvoltage: can i ask another question? [05:36] ok. I missed the ltsp guys in Sydney, so I have no idea who is who [05:36] jelkner: yep, but I'll be in bed soon [05:36] i need a bit of help getting idle to work [05:36] apparently, it binds to a tcp port [05:37] so the first person who launches it can run it, but everyone after that fails [05:38] jelkner: I'm sorry, I have no idea what idle is. And from your description, it doesn't do what it's name suggests [05:38] ogra: should i file an edubuntu bug on this? [05:38] jelkner: i know what idle is, but i don't know how to get around that. [05:38] Yagisan: idle is the default python IDE [05:39] jelkner: I didn't know that, I thought with a name like that it would be used for spinning down disks (sounds like a powersaving app) [05:40] hehe [05:40] jelkner, ?? [05:40] Yagisan: like much in the Python world, it is a joke on Eric Idle [05:40] jelkner, idle is *a* python ide... [05:40] its not installed by default [05:41] jelkner, file a bugzilla bug for it [05:41] ogra: but it is an edubuntu issue [05:41] not an ubuntu one [05:42] i think? [05:42] the problem is idle wants to bind to a tcp port [05:42] so the first one to connect to it can, but everyone else can't [05:43]