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| vaxo | hi | 12:09 |
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| vaxo | im just making my own kubuntu live cd aaaaaand have a problem | 12:09 |
| vaxo | how the heck does kicker store all of its kmenu entries? | 12:10 |
| allee | vaxo: all desktop files below /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/applnk are used to generate the menu | 12:16 |
| vaxo | hm oki thanks | 12:18 |
| vaxo | but how do i clean up a group like "editors" | 12:19 |
| vaxo | no entries == no group? | 12:20 |
| allee | delete /usr/share/applnk/Editors/ ? (should be empty) | 12:29 |
| vaxo | this dir isnt there | 12:32 |
| vaxo | ;) | 12:32 |
| vaxo | well german kde | 12:32 |
| vaxo | so "editoren | 12:32 |
| vaxo | " | 12:32 |
| vaxo | but | 12:32 |
| vaxo | its not there aswell | 12:32 |
| vaxo | only one member left "scribus" | 12:32 |
| vaxo | no scribus.desktop file on the system anymore ... x restart ... its still there | 12:32 |
| vaxo | so "somewhere" it still contains that info | 12:32 |
| vaxo | dpkg -L just shows one scribus.desktop to be installed | 12:33 |
| allee | where? | 12:33 |
| vaxo | ehhhh | 12:33 |
| vaxo | hold on | 12:33 |
| vaxo | applnk | 12:33 |
| vaxo | didnt kill this one | 12:33 |
| vaxo | nope | 12:42 |
| vaxo | didnt work either | 12:42 |
| allee | vaxo: hmm, removed ksubtile (my only entry in Editors) and /usr/share/applnk/Editor is gone and so my Editor menu entry | 12:51 |
| allee | try run: kbuildsycoca | 12:52 |
| allee | just to be sure ;) | 12:52 |
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| vaxo | hm still there | 01:07 |
| allee | grep -R ^Catego /usr/share/applications/ | grep -i editor | 01:08 |
| vaxo | hmmm it works for other menues | 01:12 |
| vaxo | but | 01:12 |
| vaxo | i cannot kill kate | 01:12 |
| vaxo | anyway | 01:15 |
| vaxo | i have to sleep | 01:15 |
| vaxo | but allee, youre ma man! | 01:15 |
| vaxo | ;) | 01:15 |
| vaxo | thanks for the hints, im on the right track now | 01:16 |
| vaxo | gn8 | 01:16 |
| allee | vaxo: nite! tomorrow I tell you about visibility=hidden (or something like that ;) | 01:19 |
| vaxo | hehe | 01:19 |
| vaxo | oki | 01:19 |
| vaxo | till then | 01:20 |
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| spstarr_home | which KDevelop is in Beta2? I dont see the newest 3.3.x release:( | 03:49 |
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| spstarr_home | hrm, are we going to add eric3 3.8.0? | 04:53 |
| spstarr_home | its rather old version in kubuntu and its broken dependencies right now in dapper | 04:53 |
| spstarr_home | oh | 04:59 |
| spstarr_home | eric3 -> eric | 04:59 |
| spstarr_home | eric: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.2-0ubuntu2 is installed. | 04:59 |
| spstarr_home | doh | 05:00 |
| spstarr_home | stupid dependency check | 05:00 |
| spstarr_home | oh libqt3-mt is 3.3.5 in debian testing so we need to move this to dapper | 05:09 |
| spstarr_home | got it working | 05:18 |
| spstarr_home | move the eric3 python2.3 stuff to 2.4 site-packages | 05:18 |
| spstarr_home | worked | 05:18 |
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| pef | hello | 08:19 |
| pef | Riddell: hello, no more informations about my mixxx upload :/ | 08:21 |
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| pef | Riddell: I wish get assignement for bugzilla #10185, but I don't have enough permissions (not allowed) | 08:37 |
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| pef | Riddell: can you do something for me ? :) | 08:42 |
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| icefox | _Sime: SYN? | 09:51 |
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| pef | Riddell: konversation seems to be synced, please close bugzilla #10185 | 03:49 |
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| spstarr_work | any other KDE Ubuntu Toronto people? :-) | 05:06 |
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| mornfall | booh | 06:07 |
| Riddell | spstarr: hybble lives in Hamilton, which I believe is close | 06:08 |
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| Drakeson | Riddell: I changed that cover yesterday : http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/cd-disk2.svg | 06:43 |
| Drakeson | but I cannot do anything now (for a few days I guess) | 06:43 |
| spstarr | 1.3 hours from me | 07:05 |
| spstarr | Drakeson: you live Downtown Toronto? | 07:05 |
| Drakeson | yep | 07:06 |
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| allee | AFAIR (is it true?) that on installation kmix is only enabled/started if sound is available, otherwise not? If yes, what 'trick' is used (that would be useful for kdebluetooth too)) | 07:52 |
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| Riddell | allee: kmix is always started (it's in kubuntu-default-settings as a saved session), it displays itself with a red X if it can't talk to the sound drivers | 08:53 |
| allee | Riddell: 'k. Again memory leak here :( | 08:54 |
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| Riddell | allee: on kmix? | 09:06 |
| allee | Riddell: sorry, in my brain not kmix | 09:07 |
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| _Sime | icefox: I've blogged it up a bit: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1602 | 10:44 |
| allee | _Sime: really good blog! | 11:04 |
| === allee would be glad if only the descriptions exists (picture of keyboards is much harder) | ||
| _Sime | allee: thanks, | 11:06 |
| _Sime | allee: descriptions aren't too helpful IMHO. picture aren't hard. They just take a lot of work. | 11:07 |
| allee | fwiw: xkeyboard-config prefers to write core in GUI independ way so a gtk gui can be written ;) | 11:07 |
| allee | _Sime: lot of work -> lot of time --> a big problem ;) | 11:07 |
| allee | the highlighting of important part may be not so hard in principle | 11:08 |
| _Sime | allee: true, but it is also a problem that could be distributed to lots of other people. | 11:08 |
| allee | a keyboard is normaly augmented from many different peaces. So I one finds a way to 'catch' the augment one has groups of keyboard keys | 11:09 |
| allee | _Sime: right | 11:09 |
| _Sime | allee: highlighting could just be as simple as drawing a red border, or glow. It doesn't even have to be animated. | 11:09 |
| _Sime | allee: just a drawn picture of a keyboard with the important keys in a brighter colour, for example. | 11:09 |
| allee | I don't meant animated but how to determine 'group' of keys that belong together | 11:09 |
| _Sime | sorry, which part are you thinking of exactly? | 11:10 |
| allee | 'every keymap' starts with xkb_keycodes "basic (see /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86) then PC<xyz> use it and add more keys, in keycodes/inet MM keys are added | 11:13 |
| allee | so every group can be defined by keys added via an 'include' statement of xkb_keycodes. Forming a group with a, e.g. different color | 11:14 |
| _Sime | I was thinking about how people can identify a US layout keyboard by looking at the layout of important keys, while not being distracted by things which are not important such as the pipe key and things like "mulitmedia" keys. | 11:15 |
| allee | yeah, but if the visualization use no emphasiz of the 'basic' group and colorized the keys that are defined in 'pcXYZ' group you get what you want | 11:17 |
| _Sime | ok, I see what you are getting at. | 11:17 |
| allee | and /etc/X11/geometry contains input for keyboard drawing. This is normally no added because there _no_ tool to easily create them | 11:18 |
| allee | + :( | 11:18 |
| allee | I submitted some MM definitions but never had the nerve to fight with geometry files | 11:19 |
| allee | _Sime: IMHO as a start a tool that allows to easly catch undefined keys and let add my keys to an existing keyboard file would be a good start. | 11:20 |
| allee | For your plans you need lots of people but if it takes pages to describe how to produce them, and 'hours' to use them you find noone that supplies input | 11:21 |
| allee | For me it looks like every information is or can be added to /etc/X11/*/. What's missing is a good tool to find (as you blogged) _and_ to extent add new keyboards easily | 11:25 |
| Riddell | debian merges needing done http://tinyurl.com/9cmuw | 11:32 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : debian merges needing done http://tinyurl.com/9cmuw | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || Make packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Kubuntu DVD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/ | ||
| allee | Riddell: do you know some (kde) pkgs that use scons? I hacked something togehter for codeine, but it's, well, a hack | 11:36 |
| Riddell | allee: kdissert | 11:39 |
| allee | Riddell: thx! I'll check it | 11:40 |
| Riddell | allee: no cdbs though, that would be handy | 11:40 |
| allee | Riddell: yeah, I missed cdbs a lot last night while fighting again with dh_make | 11:41 |
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| allee | But scons cdbs is IMHO not worth starting yet As soon as bksys/scons stabilized for KDE4, we should start on hacking a cdbs module. | 11:42 |
| allee | many extragear developers are only waiting for the stabilization to use them for their (KDE3) apps right away | 11:43 |
| === allee double check that I really download the complete codeine tar ball, it was simply toooooo small. At the end it was only scons instead auto* ;) | ||
| Riddell | :) | 11:46 |
| allee | kdissert rules file is much cooler than mine hack. Good! Thx again | 11:47 |
| _Sime | allee: thanks for the feedback. | 11:55 |
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