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jameshstub: bah.  seems like too many schema changes have been made since launchpad_staging was updated for my script to run :(12:32
stubjamesh: ok12:32
stubjamesh: I'm running kiko's branch. When he lands it to rocketfuel that shouldn't be a problem.12:33
stubkiko: ^^^12:33
jameshokay.12:35
kikostub, it's in the queue12:35
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kikocarlos, want some comments on TranslationDiffs?12:58
kikoa) there are no code changes to describe how to generate the diffpage12:59
kikob) you talk about word diffs, but we're really discussing intra-string diffs12:59
kikoc) did you ask mpt on an idea to solve the second issue you point out?12:59
kikod) I think this code is going to be fast enough for it not to matter -- I think the main overhead we have is for db queries.01:00
kikothat is all, but it is a very simple spec and it's good enough IMO01:00
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Nafallofwiw, I'm getting timeout all the time on Launchpad today09:38
Nafallohttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/muine/+pots/muine/sv/+translate09:39
Nafalloare you guys stresstesting the database or something? :-P09:45
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siretarthey launchpad folks12:06
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siretarthey, is it possible to edit the 'status notes (optional)' via EmailInterface? if yes, how?12:36
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siretartis there any filtering on bugs available in malone yet? 12:51
siretarte.g. I wannt all bugs assigned to group 'motu' with status 'pending upload'12:51
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=== ..[topic/#launchpad:ddaa] : It's wednesday. Launchpad crew is at UBZ, Montreal, Canada.
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sabdflcarlos: ping03:28
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kiko_12elmo, here we go:03:35
kiko_1203:24:35 DEBUG   Running dpkg-source -sn -x /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/clearlooks/clearlooks_0.6.2-1~hoary1.dsc03:35
kiko_1203:24:36 DEBUG   > dpkg-source: failure: cannot read /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/clearlooks/clearlooks_0.6.2.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory03:35
kiko_1203:24:36 DEBUG   > RETURNED: 203:35
kiko_1203:24:47 DEBUG   Running dpkg-source -sn -x /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tla/tla_1.3.3-2~hoary1.dsc03:35
kiko_1203:24:47 DEBUG   > dpkg-source: failure: cannot read /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tla/tla_1.3.3.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory03:35
kiko_1203:24:47 DEBUG   > RETURNED: 203:35
kiko_1203:24:38 DEBUG   Running dpkg-source -sn -x /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk-sharp2-unstable/gtk-sharp2-unstable_1.9.5-1ubuntu2~hoary1.dsc03:36
kiko_1203:24:38 DEBUG   > dpkg-source: failure: cannot read /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk-sharp2-unstable/gtk-sharp2-unstable_1.9.5.orig.tar.gz: No such file03:36
kiko_12 or directory03:36
kiko_1203:24:38 DEBUG   > RETURNED: 203:36
kiko_1210:11:21 DEBUG   Running dpkg-source -sn -x /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python-qt3/python-qt3_3.14.1-2ubuntu2.dsc03:36
kiko_1210:11:22 DEBUG   > dpkg-source: failure: cannot read /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python-qt3/python-qt3_3.14.1.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory03:36
kiko_1210:11:22 DEBUG   > RETURNED: 203:36
kiko_12elmo, that's all.03:37
elmokiko_12: apparently it only  came in at 6:55 this morning - I have no idea how it missed the two manual syncs I did yesterday evening03:45
elmo(6:55 local to the DC)03:45
elmoin any event the symlinks are there now, at least for gtk-sharp and clearlooks, and probably tla.  I'll fix the python-qt3 case now03:46
kiko_12elmo, weird indeed, but cool03:46
kiko_12okay, let me know when they are done and I'll do a re-run03:46
sabdflsalgado: ping03:47
salgadosabdfl, pong03:47
sabdflsalgado: do you have a spec in place for that team member proposal deletion?03:48
sabdflplease have one in place by the time i catch up with you03:48
sabdflsalgado: also, do you plan to finish LaunchpadRolloutProcedures this week?03:49
salgadosabdfl, I'm finishing the team member deletion one right now. should I get it through SteveA first?03:50
salgadosabdfl, we created the LaunchpadReadOnly while discussing the LaunchpadRolloutProcedures. I need to talk with stub and then I think I should be able to get it ready for review today03:52
sabdflSteveA: ping04:02
sabdflsalgado: yes, please get the deletion spec reviewed by stevea, then bring it to me in your session04:02
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kiko_12elmo, yo?04:47
elmokiko_12: ?04:47
kiko_12cprov, spec-ping?04:47
kiko_12elmo, are we okay to run gina?04:47
elmokiko_12: no, I'm still working on the symlink problem04:48
cprovkiko_12: putz ... new nick 04:48
kiko_12elmo, okie, thanks.04:48
cprovkiko_12: https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+spec/distro-admin-perms04:48
kiko_12carlos, did you get my feedback from yesterday?04:48
cprovkiko_12: https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+spec/pushbutton-cd-building04:48
cprovkiko_12: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-buildd/+spec/installer-rebuild04:49
cprovkiko_12: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-buildd/+spec/install-cd-image-generation04:49
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carloskiko_12, yes, I need to apply it. Thank you04:51
kiko_12carlos, wonderful, cheers.04:51
salgadoSteveA, ping04:51
cprovkiko_12: schedule for DistroReleaseFlavours, DerivationAdminUserInterface and Overview and PopulatingPackagingRecords are urgent.04:54
kiko_12mmmm ok04:55
cprovkiko_12: thank you.04:55
kiko_12cprov, are you not assigned to these specs?04:55
cprovkiko_12: not yet, assign me if you want 04:58
sabdflkiko_12, Kinnison, bradb_: subscription consolidation is deferred till dapper+104:58
sabdflthe rationale: to do it properly requires a huge amount of work, for undefined benefits.04:59
sabdfli am making the irc notification ("dilys on rails") spec essential, so lets focus attention on a simple, straightforward implementation of that04:59
sabdflplease ack04:59
kiko_12I still think Steve should design either infrastructure or pattern to make subscriptions implementable in a standard way -- but it's not a massive work and can be done post-UBZ now that we have done a good discussion of requirements and possible models.05:00
kiko_12but okay05:00
sabdflkiko_12: it really is a huge chunk05:00
sabdflit requires a retooling of our object model, so that each kind of object knows where it sends events05:00
sabdfland classes can then query one another to know what events they might get sent05:01
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sabdflso you can look at a Distribution *class* and it can tell you what kinds of events it gets from a *SourcePackage*05:01
sabdfland what from a DistroReleaseBinaryPackageRelease05:01
sabdflwhen that's all in place, we can support anybody subscribing to any set of things they like05:01
sabdfltill then, we can only do custom hardcoded hacks05:02
sabdflwhich should be fine for the very basics05:02
kiko_12I am suggesting standardizing the hack, just that05:02
sabdflin other words, we have to push back on some of the distro team requirements ("i'd like to see new bugs on main") in the short term05:02
sabdflkiko_12: that's very deep zope fu05:02
sabdflthink of how long it took to get the menu system in place05:02
sabdfland that's lightweight by comparison05:02
kiko_12the main delay for menus was clarifying requirements05:03
sabdfland this will have far more complex requirements05:03
kiko_12however, requirements are not entirely clear for this either05:03
kiko_12yeah05:03
sabdflthe menu's requirements have changed very little since Zermatt (!), and the only changes were simplifications05:03
sabdflnot additional requirements05:03
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kiko_12that's not how I recall it :)05:06
salgadostub, is it possible that something went wrong in the rollout? https://staging.ubuntu.com/people/salgado/+reportedbugs is broken in staging, but not in rocketfuel05:08
salgados/rollout/rollout of staging/05:09
stubsalgado: Staging is currently running one of Kikos branches, not head. So probably, yes.05:09
salgadooh, okay05:09
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elmokiko_12: ok, you should be good to go now05:17
elmosorry, took a while to confirm it was in fact only that one last missing orig.tar.gz symlink05:17
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elmostub: balleny has postgresql-8.0 now; I'm resyncing /home/pqm tho, so don't do anything in there you don'twant overwritten05:23
stubelmo: Ta05:23
kiko_12elmo, rock-n-roll I owe you a choc-chipper05:24
kiko_12stub, can you run breezy and hoary-backports again? just those two will be speedy, otherwise, the whole thing05:24
kiko_12no need to delete anything05:24
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bradb_sabdfl: right, saw your message about subscription consolidation + DoR.05:48
Nafallokiko_12: ehm, are you a respawned copy of kiko or something? :-)05:50
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kiko_12Nafallo, no, I am the new and improved kiko v12.005:51
Nafallokiko_12: ah, how does it feel to die? :-)05:52
kiko_12I can't remember05:53
kiko_12niemeyer, you have a new spec and a new spec assignment. essential. kthxbye05:53
Nafallo:-)05:53
stubelmo: Is it fine to chown -R postgres:postgres /etc/postgresql on balleny? I need to rebuild this postgres funky cluster thing which involves deleting and recreating the existing configs.06:05
stubelmo: Or I can get you to run the relevant pgclustercreate commands as root06:05
elmostub: chowned - do you need anything done with postgresql-common ?06:06
stubelmo: I havn't the foggiest yet ;)06:07
elmok06:07
stubBah. I can't drive these new tools. I'll grab pitti when I'm finished here.06:08
salgadoSteveA, ping, ping06:23
kiko_12salgado, he's a bit busy, can I help you?06:25
salgadokiko_12, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/InactiveMembershipDeletion06:26
kiko_12salgado, can it be with me or stub, I wonder? 06:29
kiko_12SteveA's more than a bit overloaded06:29
salgadoyes, I guess so06:30
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kiko_12okay, I need to talk to bradb_ and then I'll be over06:36
salgadokiko_12, great. ta06:37
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salgadokiko_12, have you looked at that spec already?07:26
kiko_12yes, a bit.07:33
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stublifeless: 8.0 is setup btw07:40
lifelessstub: thanks07:43
siretarthttps://launchpad.net/sprints/instant/+workload gives me a lp system error07:54
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\shsabdfl / BjornT :  thx for the really nice email interface to malone 08:39
sabdflsiretart: ah, bug. only happens when there are no specs approved for the sprint08:43
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sabdfl\sh: you're welcome :-)08:45
mdkei think it is a bit of a shame not to import closed bugs to malone too08:46
mdkebecause (1) people won't be able to reopen em easily and (2) they are useful for searching for bugs when looking for something which may have been fixed in the unstable version08:46
mdkemaybe there are good reasons not to import them that I can't see though08:47
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sabdflmdke: not a bad idea. jamesh?08:55
jameshsabdfl: I'd need to make a few modifications to my import routines first (the main one is duplicate bug handling)08:57
bradb_I asked mdz about that last night. He didn't think it was a big deal to not import closed bugs.08:57
jameshwe should be able to import those bugs at a later date if they are important08:58
mdzit's not important operationally, no08:58
mdzthey are useful data to have online, though, and we shouldn't throw them away08:58
jameshsince the bug watch records that a bug has been imported08:58
mdzso we should probably import them before we shut down bugzilla08:58
mdzbut it isn't a blocker for the transition to malone08:59
stubsalgado: Steve said you needed me. Please come and visit if so.08:59
jameshmdz: my understanding is that bugzilla would remain in read-only mode (possibly indefinitely)08:59
mdz8 clicks and 3 page loads to set the status of a bug...that's a blocker08:59
salgadostub, that's true. where are you?08:59
mdzjamesh: sure, but we certainly won't want to maintain it forever08:59
stubsalgado: The other room08:59
bradb_We might as well import the closed bugs straight away then, IMHO.09:00
stubsalgado: The one with elmo's server in the cupboard09:00
jameshit probably won't be too much trouble to process the duplicates table afterwards09:01
jameshmaybe look at the old Bazaar bugs too09:01
jordiI hereby declare myself as a launchpad useless. As I can't do many of the stuff I should be able to.09:07
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uwsIf I view the launchpad page of a team, and I click packages, the pages says: "<team name> developers is not currently recorded as the maintainer of any packages in the Launchpad system."   But when I view the product page, it says "Registrant: <team name>"    Is this a bug?09:14
uwsAnd if I click "change maintainer" on thr product page, it lists the correct team as "current maintainer"09:15
kiko_12carlos, dude -- can you get your notes up on DistroTeamOneOnOne like nowish09:18
jameshuws: products aren't packages09:18
jameshuws: there should be some way to get a list of the maintained products, but there isn't one right now.09:19
jameshkiko_12: I made the changes you requested to https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/ValidatingSignOnlyGpgKeys09:19
carloskiko_12, uuppps, I have them on my laptop... will do it as soon as possible, sorry...09:19
uwsjamesh: Ok. Should I file a bug against rosetta?09:20
kiko_12thanks carlos 09:21
kiko_12jamesh, rock and roll09:21
jameshuws: the bug should be filed against Launchpad, and the title should be something like "no way to get a list of maintained products"09:21
jameshI'm not sure if it has been reported already09:21
jameshuws: actually, don't file a bug: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/113509:22
UbugtuMalone bug #1135: No obvious way to get from a person to what projects/products they're involved in Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Guilherme Salgado, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/113509:22
uwsjamesh: excuse me, s/rosetta/launchpad/ slip of the finger09:22
uwsjamesh: Ok. will leave it09:22
uwsugh, https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3293 is annoying ;(10:03
UbugtuMalone bug #3293: Edit buttons on other people's page should not be visisble Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/329310:03
\shwho wrote ubugtu?10:09
bradb_\sh: Seveas, I think10:11
\shSeveas: ping10:11
Seveaspong10:11
Seveas\sh, 10:12
\shSeveas: is it possible to have another instance of your bugbot to join ubuntu-motu?10:13
\shespecially for universe-bugs?10:13
SeveasI offered that, but there were some objections10:13
Seveasit's currently in #ubutnu-desktop and here10:13
\shi wonder which objections...i'll query u 10:14
SeveasSo if the motu want him now, I'd be happy to make it join10:14
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kiko_12cprov, ping?10:29
cprovkiko_12: pong10:29
kiko_12cprov, are you planning on doing mirror management?10:30
cprovkiko_12: sorting issues ... it's almost ready for review (2nd time)10:31
kiko_12cprov, can you put up your notes for DistroOneOnOne?10:36
kiko_12that is still missing and I really need it 10:36
cprovkiko_12: DistroOneOnOne ? sorry ?10:37
cprovkiko_12: what is the product target ? I really don't remember that one  10:38
kiko_12cprov, wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DistroOneOnOne 10:38
kiko_12cprov, what product target? mirror management?10:39
cprovkiko_12: no, DistroOneOnOne10:39
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cprovkiko_12: DistroTeamOneOnOne ...10:40
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\shsabdfl: to set a status of a bug to fixed with the malone mail interface...do i need the whole affects /products/bla status fixed? or do i only need to send a sign mail to <bugno>@bugs.launchpad.net and write status fixed ?10:47
kiko_12\sh, you need the affects bla.10:52
\shgnarf...10:52
\shso i have to write something more10:53
cprovkiko_12: notes commited in DistroTeamOneOnOne, sorry about the delay 10:54
\shkiko_12: more logical would  be to have only status fixed for this, because we have the bugno in the mail header :)10:55
\shimho10:55
sabdfl\sh: what if that bug number affects upstream and the distro?10:56
sabdflwhich task are you saying is fixed?10:56
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\shright..i need to think the other way around10:58
\shnot the bugzilla way10:58
bradb_\sh: A lot of people raised this concern during UBZ. I think we may be able to do better.10:59
bradb_e.g. if there's one task, it's obvious which one to work on10:59
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bradb_if there's more than one task, it might be obvious which one to work on with a string shorter than "affects /some/url/path/thingy", as long as it's enough information for us to distinguish. if not, we can send a rejection email with the valid options.11:00
bradb_It's not something I've thought about in great detail, just a possible path for us to explore to help the user out a little bit.11:01
\shactually siretart and I are writing a small tool, which is able to send as fast as possible a mail for "new bugs" for "updating bugs" and for closing bugs.11:02
\shwhereas new bugs needs to have a sourcepackage or product assigned, an update or closed bug doesn't need normally11:03
\shbut now...thinking again about this problem...a small xmlrpc solution looks much better for this 11:03
bradb_\sh: Awesome. The other concern that a lot of people raised was GPG signing. IMHO, we may have jumped the gun on that one. Kamion pointed out that no spammer has *ever* managed to guess the debbugs syntax correctly, and I don't see any reason for us to think a spammer would be more likely to write a Malone newbug email.11:04
kiko_12thanks cprov 11:04
\shbradb_: yeah..new bugs and gpg signing was my concern...it should be removed11:04
\shwe wrote now a small utility to file merge bugs to malone from CLI...via email with gpg signing and LPID...which was now an 1h efford...11:07
\shand very quick and dirty11:07
bradb_Cool. It's nice to see people starting to get creative in the way they use Malone.11:08
\shbradb_: u can thank scott, because MoM is not filing any bugs to malone...so we need to do it manually  :) 11:09
bradb_ah :)11:10
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\shbut now I'm thinking about something like kbugbuster...to have a gui frontend tool for malone11:11
\shand for this we would need the ultimate xmlrpc or soap interface11:12
bradb_Right. We've deprioritized XML-RPC for now, because we've got a lot of fundamental things to get right in the web UI first.11:13
bradb_And, well, we really need to get Ubuntu main running Malone.11:14
\shyepp11:15
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uwlHello All,  is somebody here?11:22
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mdzKinnison: 22544 lp_impor  25   0 1718m 1.6g 4832 R 97.9 42.5  12:38.60 python11:49
mdz...11:49
Kinnisonfinished dude11:55
Kinnisonthat was death row11:55
Kinnisonit sucks11:55
KinnisonI need to fix it11:55
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mdzKinnison: comparison output in ~mdz/compare11:58
mdzKinnison: old versions in Sources11:59
spivKinnison: http://twistedmatrix.com/users/spiv/countrefs.py may help with diagnosing what's eating memory.12:01
Kinnisonspiv: I know *exactly* what's eating memory12:02
Kinnisonsqlobject12:02
spivI've probably mentioned that before, now that I think about it.12:02
Kinnisonit's t3h_suxx0r12:02
spivAh.12:02
spivWhee.12:02

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