=== PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] <\sh> hmmm...actually it's 6pm in montreal..but this is launchpad-dependencies (0.1breezy1) breezy-updates; urgency=low really hard === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-215-17.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moyogo [n=moyogo@104pc104.ucu-vb.uu.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [01:42] <\sh> starting the merge run === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] ok, so what can a non-MOTU do to help with merges? === Kyral comes in riding on a rocket [02:02] BTW, Kyral did you get that email I sent? [02:02] yah [02:02] minghua: the standard zai jian? [02:02] <\sh> ok [02:02] <\sh> what i do is the following [02:02] (my client munges utf-8) [02:02] <\sh> u see the topic, the last entry [02:03] \sh: yep [02:03] <\sh> ok...go to the first list (without the === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] <\sh> b [02:03] k [02:03] <\sh> now... [02:04] <\sh> u see the mom processes running [02:04] <\sh> first one (3ddesktop) [02:04] <\sh> is a 404 [02:04] <\sh> second one is main [02:04] <\sh> * Processing aalib [02:04] <\sh> - unstable: 1.4p5-29 [02:04] <\sh> - main: 1.4p5-28ubuntu3 [02:04] <\sh> third one is 404 [02:04] <\sh> abiword is main [02:05] <\sh> now === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] Ace right? [02:05] <\sh> * Processing ace [02:05] <\sh> - unstable: 5.4.7-5 [02:05] <\sh> - universe: 5.4.7-3ubuntu1 [02:05] <\sh> ok... [02:05] <\sh> are u all subscribed to universe-bugs? [02:05] yep [02:05] I am [02:05] <\sh> ok... [02:05] <\sh> then u should see two bugs from me [02:05] <\sh> the latest ones [02:06] yup [02:06] <\sh> Subject: [Bug 4012] ace: merge new debian version [02:06] <\sh> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:47:04 -0000 (01:47 CET) [02:06] <\sh> and allegro4.1 [02:06] <\sh> right now I'm working on alleyoop [02:06] <\sh> ok...what i'm doing [02:06] <\sh> I file a bug in malone [02:06] <\sh> assign the bug to universe-bugs (search for it) [02:06] <\sh> and write a comment on the same page where the assignee is [02:07] <\sh> Assignee: [02:07] <\sh> if tested the stuff in my pbuilder and checked again, if the merge is necessary, or better a sync is requested === Toma- [n=lin4me@203-59-211-101.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] <\sh> I'll put this as well in this comment [02:07] <\sh> so if the merge is nescessary [02:08] So how do we tell if a merge is needed? [02:08] if it builds right? [02:08] <\sh> then provide us motus (with upload rights) with a list of bugs of you in malone [02:08] <\sh> please add to every bug the link to scotts html directory [02:09] <\sh> which has the form: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ [02:09] <\sh> Kyral: ok...go to the directory [02:09] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/alleyoop/ [02:10] yup [02:10] <\sh> read the REPORT [02:11] hmm...I can understand some of it [02:11] <\sh> that is quite good for the beginning [02:11] <\sh> the most important part is this [02:11] <\sh> Check the following patch: [02:11] <\sh> alleyoop_merged.patch -- new changes in Ubuntu (0.9.0-3 -> 0.9.0-3ubuntu1) [02:12] <\sh> ok... [02:12] <\sh> if u see, that we changed in earlier ubuntu versions only some build-deps or deps [02:12] Oh, so view the patch itself [02:12] <\sh> check the debian patches first if they applied them already in the new version [02:13] <\sh> sure [02:13] <\sh> if they applied them (as I described it) then u can check the plain debian version from sid (unstable) get the package and compile the debian package [02:14] <\sh> if there are more changes or separated patches applied (like in ace) u have to merge everything..check the changelog entries...ubuntu and debian changelogs MUST be in the right timeframe [02:14] <\sh> if u check the ace directory and see the patches u will see, that MoM made a mistake and ruled out one debian version [02:14] <\sh> THEN u have to manually change the changes between old ubuntu version and NEW debian version [02:15] <\sh> which is hard [02:15] <\sh> and U should work on the low hanging frute [02:15] <\sh> fruit [02:15] so basically run through, see if the Debian and Ubuntu patches agree, and file the bug? === Toma- [n=lin4me@203-59-211-101.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-motu ["-] [02:17] <\sh> yes..and file the bug before u do something [02:17] so...see to see if it builds [02:17] <\sh> check the merge directory of scott...provide this as describtion in the bug [02:18] crimsun: you mean Keybuk's quit message? [02:18] <\sh> check in your local dapper pbuilder [02:18] from Sid or from Dapper Source? [02:18] <\sh> Kyral: if you have to merge changes...then use the version in scotts directory [02:18] I mean I check what? Sid Source? [02:19] <\sh> if the changes are trivial and are already applied in the new debian version..then take SIDs version and compile in dapper pbuilder [02:19] <\sh> Kyral: in scotts directory are .dsc, .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz [02:19] yup yup [02:20] I'm looking at alsoplayer now [02:20] alsaplayer even [02:20] <\sh> Kyral: if you see trivial changes which are now applied in the debian version, and u think we can sync...then SIDs version of the package...if not, use the source version from scott [02:20] <\sh> Kyral: and only check Universe packages [02:20] <\sh> NO MAIN PACKAGES [02:20] minghua: yes [02:20] I know [02:21] alsaplayer is in Universe :D === freeflying [n=rockie@tor/session/x-16a0ce64a75ebc1a] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] crimsun: no, a very strange phrase, see my comments in #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] Yah I don't think the changes in Alsaplayer are trivial.... [02:22] hi bmonty [02:22] hey LaserJock [02:22] minghua: my irc client munges the glyphs, so it's nonsensical to me [02:23] so grab Scotts version, try building it, then file the bug? [02:23] Kyral/ LaserJock: fwiw, I'm working from the bottom up, beginning with zsi. [02:23] <\sh> first file the bug [02:23] <\sh> so we can see who is working on what [02:24] <\sh> and provide the url to scotts directory [02:25] \sh: are we using a specific title convention? [02:25] like [Dapper MOM] : zsi needs sync from Debian Sid (1.7-1) [02:25] the search in Launchpad for "universe-bugs" turned up MOTU Team [02:25] can someone help clarify the policy for staying synced with debian? Do we want to try to not make -ubuntuX versions of packages and push our patches to debian to sync, or should I just make patches for ubuntu? [02:26] <\sh> crimsun: : merge new debian version [02:26] Kyral: that is correct [02:26] \sh: gotcha [02:26] <\sh> bmonty: if possible push all changes to debian... [02:27] <\sh> bmonty: but if debian is not fast enough do it as normal...apply the patch and create an ubuntu package [02:27] \sh: do we want to wait for the debian maintainer to accept the patch and upload, or just push the patch to them? [02:27] how long would be considered a reasonable time to wait? [02:27] <\sh> bmonty: push them to the maintainer via bts [02:27] <\sh> bmonty: max. 2 days ,) [02:27] like right now in the beginning of the dev cycle I think we can wait longer than towards the end [02:28] <\sh> which is in ubuntu time a year :) [02:28] <\sh> bmonty: we only have 6 weeks for open development [02:28] <\sh> bmonty: which is packed with merges, new stuff etc. [02:28] \sh: I've been opening debian bugs and then attaching them to malone bugs (kinda inefficient) [02:28] So file the bug as "alsaplayer: merge new debian version" [02:29] \sh: so basically we are still making an ubuntu version no matter what...but making an extra effort to push the patches to debian [02:29] <\sh> bmonty: what do u want? if u need to patch a package then push the bug to debian...merging .. file a bug to malone now...do the merge. [02:29] and in Description: put the link to Scotts directory [02:30] <\sh> bmonty: what patch are u talking about? most trivial ones, like changed build-deps or cxx stuff is already in debian [02:30] then assign it to MOTU and explaination "Assignee: Kyral" [02:30] right? [02:30] <\sh> bmonty: other patches are already catched by utnubu [02:30] \sh: more should I wait to ask one of you guys to upload a patch until after I have a response from the debian maintainer, or just work like I did for breezy [02:30] <\sh> bmonty: only new patches we should push towards debian right now [02:30] Kyral: yes, but make sure you ask for a merge for at least -7 [02:30] Kyral: (should be implicit by requesting a sync) [02:30] It looks like it needs a merge [02:31] I just need to build it to make sure it builds ;D [02:31] <\sh> bmonty: provide a list with your malone bugs filed ... during the week I'll take all the bugs and check them all (which means u, bmonty, i will upload unchecked :)) [02:31] gotta file the bug first right? :D [02:31] \sh: example...I made a patch for wesnoth that fixes the test scenario, I have an ubuntu version of the package, but since I think it is a packaging omission on the part of the debian maintainer I filed a bug in BTS [02:32] so sync if the changes are trivial [02:32] <\sh> bmonty: ok...this is something...well...if the debian maintainer is fast enough...we can wait for him to sync [02:32] merge if they aren't trivial [02:32] <\sh> bmonty: if he's not responding in 2 days...then prepare a package and give us a debdiiff from last version to your version... [02:33] \sh: k that makes sense [02:33] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alsaplayer/+bug/4018 <--Like that? [02:33] here is another one...I packaged the newest version of gphpedit (#3099) and put it on REVU [02:34] I also emailed the debian maintainer and he said that he has also packaged the newest version, but the DD he works with is too busy to upload the new package [02:34] gphpedit is completely useless without the upgrade [02:34] <\sh> Kyral: yes...assign it now to universe-bugs [02:35] <\sh> and write status notes [02:35] and set the status to accepted [02:35] with Explination: Assignee Kyral in status [02:35] right? === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] or a comment that says you are working on it [02:35] <\sh> status notes is better [02:35] <\sh> that we can see in the bug report by mail [02:36] Done [02:36] status notes are ok, but IMHO are less intuitive than a comment on the main page [02:36] <\sh> for a comment i get two mails. [02:36] <\sh> for a status note I get only one mail :) [02:37] \sh: true, malone does like to generate a lot of email! [02:37] Now to download from scott's dir and build this thing [02:37] if it builds tell you guys? [02:38] I have a package that says it needs GTK+ 2.4 so does libgtk2.0-dev (=> 2.4.0) work? [02:38] I'll work from the top down BTW [02:38] bmonty: maybe you can offer to collaborate with the Debian maintainer of gphpedit [02:38] <\sh> bmonty: well..it can do more [02:38] LaserJock: yes [02:38] minghua: I did, just no response :) [02:39] LaserJock: except you'd use >= [02:39] what do I do if it builds/fails? [02:39] crimsun: thanks [02:39] Kyral: you ask. I'll look at alsaplayer if it fails; I was planning to ask for a sync this week [02:39] minghua: same issue with uim.... [02:39] bmonty: okay. [02:39] and if it passes? [02:40] bmonty: I know the uim maintainer is busy [02:40] if it passes, update the bug report and let one of us with upload privs know [02:40] minghua: no doubt, I'm just trying to figure out how long to wait [02:40] uim is kind of a moot point since it was uploaded to dapper today by Martin Pitt [02:40] bmonty: so the gphpedit maintainer just replied one mail to you and didn't reply further requests? [02:41] minghua: correct [02:41] what is the difference between mom.20051107.log and mom.20051107b.log ? === \sh [n=nsh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] I'll build it as soon as my PBuilders finish updating [02:44] LaserJock: ask again, he flooded off [02:44] Here goes nothing [02:45] So while I wait for this to compile, who has tried E17? [02:45] <\sh> ok [02:45] <\sh> when your package is uploaded (please make sure your all whitelisted for breezy changes) [02:45] <\sh> aeh dapper changes [02:45] <\sh> u are as well reponsible to check the buildd logs [02:45] <\sh> which can be found here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs [02:45] whitelisted? [02:45] what is the difference between mom.20051107.log and mom.20051107b.log ? [02:45] <\sh> but better to look here: people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html [02:45] Already have it bookmarked ;P [02:46] <\sh> the b.log file is for all packages which had 404 in the file without the b [02:46] I'm not even a MOTU, how do I get whitelisted [02:46] \sh you showed farrium and I that site at Ubuntu Love I think ;P [02:47] How do I get whitelisted? [02:48] Got it! Alsaplayer builds in my Dapper PBuilder [02:48] Kyral: well, I asked elmo for breezy but he said that it was irrelivent because of launchpad [02:48] <\sh> Kyral: with elmo... [02:48] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads [02:48] <\sh> oh [02:48] <\sh> LaserJock: are u member? [02:48] <\sh> then it's irrelevant [02:48] \sh: of what [02:48] <\sh> LaserJock: ubuntu [02:49] Neither of us are Ubuntu Members [02:49] \sh: nope [02:49] <\sh> ok...lets try it later [02:49] We are the two super trainees of the MOTU gang ;P [02:49] but I was whitelisted for breezy anyway [02:49] Kyral: the only merge that should have been necessary is the glu one [02:49] Kyral: well, I don't know about "super" ;-) [02:49] LaserJock: you are whitelisted then [02:50] crimsun, the debian patch file looked a lot different than the Ubuntu one ;P [02:50] Kyral: the debian patch has significant advantages [02:50] ah [02:50] Kyral: in fact, you would be best working from -7 and working in the ubuntu diff [02:50] so I should only pay attention to the merge.patch [02:51] -7? [02:51] (just as an ALSA-centric person) [02:51] -7 in sid [02:51] so look in ubuntu.debdiff? [02:52] <\sh> Kyral: check the merged one === Kyral falls down [02:52] okay [02:52] so if I only see changelog entry differences, then its a SYNC [02:52] <\sh> Kyral: merges are the highest discipline [02:52] if anything else its a MERGE [02:52] correct? [02:53] (trying to fit this into a quick sort type thing for my mind) [02:53] <\sh> Kyral: no...u have to check as well the debian/control in the debdiff.. [02:53] Kyral: just skip alsaplayer, I'll merge it [02:53] <\sh> Kyral: think about the gl/glu transition in ubuntu which hasn't happend in debian yet [02:53] okay [02:53] <\sh> crimsun: hehe...old pro === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] so... [02:54] if only Control and Changelog are changed its a sync? [02:54] <\sh> amile [02:54] <\sh> amule [02:54] <\sh> Kyral: no [02:55] <\sh> Kyral: if the changes in control are the same in debian and in the ubuntu diff...then i could be a sync..u have to check :) [02:55] Kyral: my understanding is, if the reason there was a ubuntuX is fixed by syncing then that is what needs to be done [02:56] otherwise, fix the sid package to fix what was fixed by Ubuntu before === Kyral head hurts now.... [02:56] <\sh> hehehe === LaserJock gett tired of the word fix ;-) [02:57] Someone just set down really easy rules I can follow [02:57] if ( this ) else if (this) else (this) [02:59] <\sh> Kyral: believe me when I say...i had the headache just after the cxx transition [02:59] <\sh> in breezy === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] Kyral: I see it as "minimize the number of ubuntuX versions" or the Debian/Ubuntu delta [02:59] Oh I can believe it [02:59] so..I'm looking at ardour [03:00] man, who is going to have fun with zope? *g* [03:01] In the merge.debdiff I only see the control and changelog entries [03:02] and the debian.debdiff is 19 megabytes.... [03:02] leave ardour. In fact, leave anything that build-depends on libjack*-dev [03:02] <\sh> hehehe [03:02] <\sh> yeah [03:02] we need to transition to libjack0.100.0-dev first [03:02] Yah I battled with libjack [03:03] when I tried to do Mixxx === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] umm, okay [03:03] whats up with axiom [03:03] there is no REPORT, no merge.debdiff [03:04] what is this? A Sync? === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral sighs [03:06] I think I should sit this one out [03:07] <\sh> Kyral: is it 404 ? [03:07] no [03:07] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/axiom/ [03:08] the log SAYS it generated a merge.debdiff [03:09] <\sh> Kyral: don't touch it...there is nothing inside...ask keybuk tomorrow montreal time :) [03:09] \sh, you forget [03:09] Montreal Time is also my time :P [03:09] yeah, MOM sometimes takes a vacation to $random [03:09] Seems more like /dev/null this time [03:09] hey \sh [03:10] <\sh> Kyral: ok..keybuk should be at lunch [03:10] certainly a valid value for $random [03:10] <\sh> aeh dinner [03:10] <\sh> hey magnon [03:10] I can't sleep :( jetlag [03:10] So can I put the alsa thing on my Wikipage? [03:10] <\sh> magnon: ah come on.. [03:10] <\sh> I slept 16 hours from day before yesterday to yesterday [03:10] so did I [03:11] but I wasn't up before 2pm [03:11] magnon: a dose of Nyquil and a couple of beers is a great way to cure jetlag [03:12] I would never take a dose of anything, and \sh bought be enough beer already [03:12] Okay...if a patch dropped its a bad thing right... [03:12] <\sh> magnon: what? beer and pizzy at hubs place? [03:12] no [03:12] the large one at the airport [03:12] <\sh> magnon: ah...come on..nothing that is [03:13] <\sh> magnon: I just drank beer today [03:13] plus three gt's and two beer more paid by mez and jblack :P [03:13] I can't seem to upload the same version of package to REVU dput goes OK but I don't see it [03:13] dput -f [03:14] <\sh> rm *.upload [03:14] <\sh> ok...ace is done [03:14] <\sh> amule still building [03:14] \sh: you can't sleep either it seems [03:14] <\sh> so one last cigarette for today [03:14] oh, that sounds nice [03:14] <\sh> magnon: oh well...I just got up at 6 === Kyral really to find a simple rule for if its a sync or merge [03:15] haha [03:15] ok [03:15] <\sh> reclaimed my luggage, went to the county court, and tried to get rid of my inheritage claim of more depts I could pay...I payed now 100 eur to not take the inheritage [03:16] <\sh> just because I was too late, but could show them, that I wasn't in germany [03:16] \sh: at least reason prevaled :) [03:16] <\sh> but after amule I go to bed [03:16] reason always costs about 100 eur === Kyral must be stupid tonight if he can't understand this [03:17] or drunk, could be [03:17] s/drunk/tired === magnon should work on universe but has to write some job applications [03:18] hi [03:18] ajmitch! [03:18] hey ajmitch [03:18] you suddenly disappeared :/ [03:19] <\sh> hey ajmitch [03:19] yes, I got a plane, I said I was leaving about 12 [03:19] <\sh> back in NZ? [03:19] nope [03:19] US [03:19] <\sh> oh [03:19] <\sh> visiting bddebian? [03:19] <\sh> where is he btw [03:19] he's in pennsylvania [03:20] you are with bdebian? === ajmitch is back in NZ on the 17th [03:20] no, I'm not [03:20] for how long? [03:20] I'm in NY [03:20] oh. [03:20] bddebian is very close to me [03:20] yes, where? [03:20] central pennsylvania [03:20] West Chester [03:21] next to philadelphia [03:21] he is in valley forge [03:21] ok, about 4 & 1/2 hours from here, apparantly [03:21] ya =/ === corey_ [n=corey@S01060011501e686e.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] corey :) [03:22] brb, just installed breezy here, going to check if XP still operates [03:23] haha, this is so cute [03:23] http://www.nsa.gov/kids/home_html.cfm === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63872.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] okay...why did when I try to install cvs, it wants to remove x11-proto? [03:27] <\sh> ok....done for now/ [03:27] <\sh> sleeping time.... [03:27] <\sh> cu later [03:28] seriously [03:28] why does installing cvs remove x11proto-gl-dev? [03:28] psh its aptitude being an idiot [03:32] I guess I need root to compile E17 [03:34] what if the changes in hoary can be dropped? [03:34] I am looking at the packages I worked on C++ transtition [03:34] one of them is libmath++, and the debian version finished the transition as well [03:35] we always prefer the Debian version [03:35] I think we can just use the new debian version [03:35] if it tests ok to you, then we can just sync it [03:36] crimsun [03:36] is that my stupid easy rule? [03:37] :P [03:37] if the Sid builds in Dapper PBuilder sync it? [03:37] crimsun: ok, I'll test it and report back later (no access to ubuntu machine now) [03:37] Kyral: I suppose you need to make sure that no changes in the ubuntu patch is worth keeping? [03:38] I dunno, I'm new at this whole thing [03:38] and I doubt I will be doing anymore compiling tonight [03:39] seeing as I'm compiling E17 from CVS right now ;P === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["ERC] === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=rockie@tor/session/x-cfe4714b8c71a257] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=rockie@tor/session/x-2710254005bf89cd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral hates it when people offer up packages made with checkinstall === seth_k|lappy too [04:22] I just want to stabbity them [04:22] what's checkinstall? [04:23] a shitass method for making Debian Packages [04:23] you should be shot if you use it === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-159-94.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] a quick google has left me scared [04:24] people use that? [04:25] Oh what does Google say? [04:25] ok, I can't for the life of me get REVU to show a new upload of the same version [04:25] http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ [04:26] IIRC it used to be promoted as a quick and easy way to make debs on the forums [04:26] Yah it was [04:26] and people still use it [04:26] and guess where the offender came from this time? [04:26] forums ? === mgalvin_away [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] Bingo [04:27] dredg, I cannot hit that link [04:27] Kyral: I could, but it will horrify you [04:27] Kyral: what did they "package" [04:27] eh? [04:28] GAIM 2.0 CVS [04:28] ;( [04:29] well, we do give you enough rope to hang yourself... [04:29] could I get a MOTU to review a package (plotdrop) on REVU for me? [04:30] I mean, if you are using it just so you can uninstall something easy, thats fine [04:30] doing merge work atm; I'll try to look at REVU later [04:30] but if you plan to share the package you should be shot [04:31] Kyral: yeah, the package I am packaging now (plotdrop) has a checkinstall .deb posted at the homepage [04:31] How can you tell if a Deb is Checkinstalled? [04:32] no /usr/share/doc//copyright, I suppose? [04:32] yeah, general sloppiness [04:32] Kyral: well, I can't remember now, but I am sure there was something about it [04:34] oh, now I remember. Under Section it will have checkinstall [04:34] lol === minghua must admit that checkinstall is an honest tool [04:35] we could "adjust" dpkg to refuse to install packages with such a Section [04:37] if a user wants to install a checkinstall package, they should be free to do it [04:37] maybe have dpkg to give a big fat warning for Section:checkinstall is not a bad idea after all, but don't refuse to install it [04:38] i like that idea === dredg [n=nsherida@216-239-45-4.google.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] I use it for local packages that I install. It is handy for that. But I would never distribute something I made using it [04:42] Yah... [04:43] if someone handed me a CheckInstall Package, I'd hit'em with a copy of the New Maintainers Guide [04:43] lol, I can imagine that [04:43] It would be like [04:44] "You insult the Debian Gods! I smacketh thou down!" [04:47] I sure wish I could get REVU down. It is kinda frustrating. I feel really dumb [04:50] I'm doing a merge of bzflag [04:50] I'm reading CTRL+ALT+DEL === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] bmonty: / minghua: That was more tongue-in-cheek than serious [05:13] :) [05:14] I'm half-serious :-) === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:18] how can I sign a changes file made from a pbuilder? [05:19] It should sign automatically [05:19] or just use debsign. [05:19] use debsign -k [05:19] debisgn worked, thanks [05:27] I uploaded a merged bzflag to REVU if anyone wants to take a look === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62089.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] I gotta stop reading BOFH [05:53] Its making me think DarkSide Hacker thoughts [06:03] dang, I wish you could find the Malone bugs you have commented on or at least subscribed to [06:03] Yah [06:03] I suggested that at Ubuntu Love [06:03] SHOWER TIME! === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] could somebody look at bug #3252 ? === minghua [n=minghua@adsl-69-153-128-173.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] If I want to confirm a merge from debian (dropping all previous ubuntu changes), should I file a launchpad bug first as well? [06:19] no, only if its already got a bug [06:21] Lathiat: cool, thanks [06:25] Hmm [06:25] I am feeling BOFHish [06:29] But...I cannot indulge my darkside [06:31] Okay, I've tested the build. [06:31] how should I request a sync for libmath++ 0.0.4-2 from debian? all previous ubuntu changes should be dropped [06:32] minghua: ask elmo in -devel and say as much or send him an e-mail [06:34] crimsun: thanks. I've asked on #ubuntu-devel, will send email if I don't get reply === schweeb [n=chris@ubuntu/member/schweeb] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === schweeb [n=chris@ubuntu/member/schweeb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] afternoon all :D [06:55] G'day zakame [06:57] what's up? [06:59] zakame: not much it seems. === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:06] siretart, when you come back: I have uploaded a package signed with my seth@ubuntu.com key ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=884 ) but when I try to recover password ( http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=seth@ubuntu.com ) then it's blank. Any idea? === [Chameleon] [n=Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=rockie@tor/session/x-bd2ccc24b2751d4e] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] hello [08:20] hi pef :D [08:20] zakame: hi, you never sleep ? :] [08:21] pef: hehe no, I still do, 'tis too hard not to :D === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] morning [08:34] uuuh, so many hilights [08:35] siretart: one more [08:35] :) [08:35] hi pef :) [08:35] siretart: hello :) [08:36] hi siretart , wb pef === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] wb siretart [08:38] hi zakame [08:39] zakame: are you a bot ? :] [08:39] pef: buwhahaha [08:39] :D === siretart_ [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] lol === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] woah, we are db2 certified. w00t! [08:52] yeah, 'tis was in -devel earlier :D === siretart just got home and is reading email right now [08:55] it is also now on the main site, with the DB2 logo now on it :) [08:55] :) === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] wb dholbach [08:56] ... "ubuntu is an acient African word, meaning 'I'm sick of compiling gentoo'.. " *g* [08:56] huhu dholbach [08:56] siretart: hahaha [08:56] hellas zakame [08:56] hi siretart [08:56] hey everybody else [08:56] :) [08:58] siretart: Well, if you are not you can always become a maintainer:-) [08:58] ei hunger [08:58] hunger: I'll think about it [08:59] hmmm, where do I propose membership for motu? [09:00] I read in MaintainerCandidates that LP's ubuntu-dev team's the way to go, but I also see a motu team as well... [09:01] do some works, get your packages uploaded, propose yourself to the CC, do some more work, propose yourself to the TB, and you'll get added to ubuntu-dev team [09:01] zakame: member != motu :-) [09:01] ehm, ignore me :-P [09:01] ah, ok :) [09:01] motu is for bugs, ubuntu-dev is for rights :-) [09:01] I didn't exactly get where ubuntu-dev != MOTU, dholbach do you have a short rationale? [09:02] siretart: Nafallo said it [09:02] s/where/why/ [09:02] okay === otep [n=otep@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:02] dholbach: so we can add anyone interested in MOTU? [09:03] with motu subteams, i think that's already the case === hunger hates not having internet for 4 days/week. [09:03] I think I get the problem.. [09:03] we should think about this properly [09:03] hunger: wow. and you did actually survive? [09:03] I wanted to continue with my debs yesterday night... just to discover that I need to download a tiny little snipplet of code from the net. [09:04] hunger: awww [09:04] Nafallo: I do have internet in the company... enough to chat, but that's it. [09:04] wow [09:04] suicide is always an option, I think? ;-) [09:04] Downloading, chatting, etc. not allowed. [09:05] like "gimme internet or I'll be gone!" === hunger has to tunnel through the firewall to do IRC. [09:06] At least I can do some limited downloads that way, too... if I don't overdo it and get the network admins on my track. === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] thanks folks, bbl === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === hunger sighs. [09:20] Downloading a kernel image with 460byte/s is no fun! [09:21] no shit :-P === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb [n=chris@ubuntu/member/schweeb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-088-092.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] \sh_away: around? [10:10] siretart: he's clearly away ;-) [10:11] Nafallo: obviously [10:11] since that nick gets set when he's disconnected from the dircproxy ;-) [10:45] hey who here is looking into testing stuff [10:45] as in creation of standardized testing or something === alexamic1 [n=aa@81-208-18-162.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] I was reading through couple of emails on the list and I saw someone talking about it [10:45] wondering if we are still interested in this === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.80.87] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:24] hello === alexamici [n=aa@81-208-18-162.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] hi zyga === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] <\sh> moins [11:38] eves [11:39] hey \sh === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zoe [n=zoe@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] who of you avahi people will package http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-user-share/0.6/gnome-user-share-0.6.tar.gz ? :) [11:48] or shall i do it? === herzi [n=herzi@d058241.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:48] dholbach: hah [11:48] dholbach: a release with my patch? [11:48] dholbach: i can do that [11:49] Lathiat: rock'n'roll === Lathiat puts it on the todo list [11:49] i have a real job atm :( haha [11:49] Lathiat: i will REVU it as soon as it's uploaded [11:49] its a whole new concept ;) [11:49] Lathiat: it's horrible, isn't it? :) [11:50] Lathiat: just ping me, when you uploaded it [11:50] sure [11:55] i could do it too if you don't have enough time for it atm [11:56] slomo, Lathiat: maybe you can base the package on http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/gnome/gnome-user-share [11:56] yeh we already ahve one [11:56] its not much different [11:57] should just be able to dump the new tarball in [11:57] modify the build-deps [11:57] and off you go [11:57] (and change the FSF adress) :-p [11:57] debian seems to care much about that change === dholbach notices while merging [11:57] dholbach: of course they do :D [11:57] Lathiat: ok, then you do it =) shouldn't need that much time === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-16-239.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] if you don't change much to the packaging, just upload it [11:58] HI selinium [11:58]