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| === Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | NEXT MEETING: Nov 16 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | edubuntu on position 48 in last months distrowatch stats | ||
| === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Tue Oct 25 12:02:27 2005 | ||
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| \sh | ogra: amu is providing edubuntu cds for 1.49 eur excl. shipping | 01:17 |
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| ogra | does he use our cover ? | 01:17 |
| \sh | ogra: i don't know | 01:18 |
| ogra | url ? | 01:18 |
| \sh | ogra: better to ping him directly | 01:18 |
| \sh | ogra: http://www.linuxshop.de | 01:18 |
| \sh | ogra: if u need some good quality shirts or bags or cups...ping him as well...u know he as .tr connections :) | 01:18 |
| \sh | (if this is not against the (tm) of edubuntu) | 01:19 |
| \sh | ogra: did u check? reached amu? | 02:05 |
| ogra | \sh, nope | 02:06 |
| \sh | lets do it on friday...lets call him | 02:06 |
| ogra | yup | 02:07 |
| \sh | phew... | 02:08 |
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| === \sh kicks the buildds | ||
| ogra | hey, its not the fault of the buildds | 02:10 |
| \sh | what..that they're slow?? ,) | 02:11 |
| \sh | hell..I | 02:13 |
| \sh | 'm touching all packages again, which I was touching during cxx transition and merging in dapper | 02:13 |
| \sh | aeh breezy | 02:13 |
| \sh | ogra: which packages do u need merged asap for edubuntu? main-ish | 02:23 |
| ogra | i had a gcompris day today ... the tux* apps would be useful | 02:24 |
| ogra | and kdeedu indeed | 02:24 |
| ogra | gobby should move to main too... i want it ... | 02:25 |
| \sh | kdeedu needs to wait for 3.5 | 02:25 |
| ogra | why does this darn thing not resize my pics properly GRRR | 02:25 |
| \sh | ogra: gobby is really nice...we should move it to main..if pitti is not against | 02:30 |
| \sh | ogra: we wrote a nice small util today for filing bugs against malone for merging.... | 02:38 |
| ogra | yup saw that... | 02:38 |
| \sh | ogra: if this will be a bit more shiny we can have something like the debian bts cli tool | 02:39 |
| ogra | even if i get only half sleeping through the day | 02:39 |
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| \sh | ogra: jetlagging still...me as well.. | 02:42 |
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| \sh | ajmitch__: u should do some work :) | 02:49 |
| \sh | ajmitch__: btw..did u check out what about the laptop? | 02:52 |
| \sh | if it was insured? | 02:52 |
| dabaR | why is the nick /sh, I am curious, wanna tell me? | 03:04 |
| \sh | dabaR: it's \sh and I liked it | 03:06 |
| dabaR | heh, I mistyped... | 03:07 |
| dabaR | Is there a meaning, uis what I am asking... | 03:07 |
| dabaR | like, /. | 03:07 |
| dabaR | or whatever, slashdot, they maybe mean hidden files... | 03:08 |
| dabaR | or something. | 03:08 |
| \sh | well...no..actually only the chars are the initials of my name | 03:08 |
| dabaR | oh, ok. | 03:08 |
| dabaR | later, Im gonna log out... | 03:08 |
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| juliux | hi silvester | 08:22 |
| juliux | hi symbulos | 08:22 |
| juliux | symbulos, do you get my dvd? | 08:22 |
| symbulos | juliux: hi. I was just popping in to thank you. | 08:24 |
| juliux | symbulos, np | 08:24 |
| symbulos | We will be trying to install it for this demo for the 18 | 08:27 |
| symbulos | Today I am supposed to have a chat with the IT manager of the school | 08:28 |
| symbulos | I hope he is not too MS oriented | 08:28 |
| symbulos | :-) | 08:28 |
| symbulos | I hope | 08:28 |
| symbulos | juliux: is it possible to install interface KDE on edubuntu? | 08:29 |
| juliux | symbulos, yes it is | 08:29 |
| juliux | symbulos, but gnome is the better desktop | 08:29 |
| symbulos | the fact is some of the kids at the school know about kde from home | 08:30 |
| juliux | but at school you have to learn something new one | 08:31 |
| symbulos | so they would be already used to the interface, it simplifies the job in the evening (it is an evening fair for children and parents, where they have asked us to have this demo corner with some pcs with educational software plus a few games the children can play, the adults can see) | 08:31 |
| symbulos | juliux: good one. so you are a gnome fan? | 08:32 |
| juliux | symbulos, yes im a member of gnome germany | 08:33 |
| symbulos | :-) | 08:34 |
| symbulos | we use KDE here :-D | 08:34 |
| symbulos | really, I have never tried gnome | 08:34 |
| juliux | oh not good | 08:34 |
| juliux | then you have to try out gnome | 08:34 |
| symbulos | well, it works well for we are doing | 08:34 |
| symbulos | but we will give it a go, sooner or later | 08:35 |
| juliux | ok | 08:35 |
| symbulos | because customers will want to choose | 08:35 |
| juliux | sorry but i have to go to university | 08:35 |
| symbulos | ok, have a nice day | 08:36 |
| juliux | thanks | 08:36 |
| symbulos | I have to leave too. | 08:37 |
| symbulos | bye, see you later | 08:37 |
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| jsgotangco | hi JaneW | 08:58 |
| highvoltage | i think JaneW is still recovering :) | 09:01 |
| JaneW | hello, yes I am lying in bed... | 09:07 |
| JaneW | got in at like 1am last night after leaving thre hotel at 3pm on Tuesday.... | 09:08 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: I heard you met Richard... | 09:08 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: yes, i met him previously too, last year. didn't realise it was him :) | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | bbl | 09:22 |
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| mhz | Yagisan: hi | 12:51 |
| mhz | hi all | 12:52 |
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| mhz | highvoltage: hip | 01:11 |
| highvolt1ge | mhz: hola | 01:17 |
| mhz | highvolt1ge: hi you, Mr. watts | 01:19 |
| highvolt1ge | :) | 01:21 |
| highvolt1ge | and you, Mr Hertz | 01:21 |
| mhz | highvolt1ge: are you having ISP issues? | 01:24 |
| highvolt1ge | mhz: yes, my isp just put up a new arial outside. | 01:25 |
| highvolt1ge | quite bigger than the old one: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/misc/10_11_05_1333 | 01:27 |
| highvolt1ge | had to take pic with cell phone, friend is borrowing real cam. | 01:27 |
| mhz | hehehe | 01:29 |
| mhz | highvolt1ge: will you be around in ... 35 mins? | 01:29 |
| mhz | highvolt1ge: dude, what's this? http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/misc/sponge | 01:31 |
| highvolt1ge | spongebob :) | 01:37 |
| highvolt1ge | yes, i should be around. | 01:38 |
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| mhz | highvoltage: ohhh, i see. I felt something much more serious | 01:38 |
| highvoltage | not sure where it came from, though. | 01:39 |
| mhz | highvoltage: are you Jonathan Carter? | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | mhz: yep. | 01:56 |
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| highvoltage | hmm.. our channel bot has abandoned us. | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | edoo: highvoltage | 01:57 |
| edoo | highvoltage is Jonathan Carter | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | yep, edoo confirmed it. | 01:57 |
| mhz | hihih | 01:57 |
| mhz | yup, same sense of humour :D | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | you know me? | 01:58 |
| mhz | aren't you same highvoltage that has been around this # for the last 2 months? | 01:59 |
| highvoltage | yep. | 01:59 |
| mhz | same highvoltage that has bought dad's car? | 02:00 |
| highvoltage | it just sounded to me like you made the link from highvoltage -> jonathancarter now and it sounded like you knew me from another place. | 02:00 |
| highvoltage | yep, that one :) | 02:00 |
| mhz | oh, thx god I don't | 02:00 |
| mhz | :) | 02:00 |
| highvoltage | edoo: mhz | 02:01 |
| edoo | mhz is Mauricio Hernandez Z. | 02:01 |
| highvoltage | what does the Z stand for? | 02:01 |
| mhz | Zorro! | 02:01 |
| mhz | Z = Zamora | 02:02 |
| highvoltage | why don't you put your hackergotchi on the launchpad page? | 02:02 |
| mhz | in LA, we use 1st name + 1st lastname (father's side) + 2nd lastname (mother's side) | 02:02 |
| mhz | highvoltage: I'd reveal my Zorro identity | 02:03 |
| highvoltage | true. | 02:03 |
| mhz | because I have a picture of mine which is too old (1 year ago, short hair) | 02:03 |
| highvoltage | wow. | 02:03 |
| highvoltage | mhz: it's 35 minutes later now. something you wanted to ask me? :) | 02:04 |
| mhz | yes | 02:04 |
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| DeMoNSeEd | hello | 08:21 |
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| tiris | 2 | 08:33 |
| highvoltage | 1 | 08:43 |
| highvoltage | *boom* | 08:43 |
| DeMoNSeEd | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!! | 08:44 |
| DeMoNSeEd | quiet room | 08:45 |
| highvoltage | hi DeMoNSeEd | 08:48 |
| DeMoNSeEd | hello | 08:50 |
| DeMoNSeEd | are you a edubuntu user? | 08:50 |
| highvoltage | yep. | 08:55 |
| DeMoNSeEd | and what do you think bout it | 08:56 |
| highvoltage | i think it's good. | 08:57 |
| highvoltage | i also think it's going to get much better. | 08:57 |
| highvoltage | i have lots of confidence in the ubuntu developers. | 08:58 |
| DeMoNSeEd | good to hear | 08:58 |
| highvoltage | they are organised the right way from the ground up, things get done the right way. | 08:58 |
| DeMoNSeEd | bunty itself i'm familiar with | 08:58 |
| DeMoNSeEd | i was more interested in the edu version itself | 08:59 |
| DeMoNSeEd | i was reading about the local school board around here spending millions to supply students with an Apple powerbook, i just wanted to look at this, to see if there was an alternative | 09:00 |
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| bluefrog-10 | well a terminal server won't replace a laptop | 09:01 |
| bluefrog-10 | now if the computer is meant to stay at school, yes a terminal server will be the one | 09:02 |
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| DeMoNSeEd | true | 09:03 |
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| DeMoNSeEd | it just bothers me, it would have been better for them to buy laptops and put something like this on it, easy upgrades, great programs...overall | 09:05 |
| DeMoNSeEd | it's the tunnel vision thing that gets to me | 09:05 |
| DeMoNSeEd | teach kids nix and everything else no matter what system, will be a breeze, with the possible exception of BSD, but even that has 2 versions now that install like nothing | 09:07 |
| DeMoNSeEd | I think that for Gnu-Linux to really catch on, you have to get them when they are young | 09:07 |
| DeMoNSeEd | the old McDonald's idea | 09:08 |
| DeMoNSeEd | catch you later | 09:11 |
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| bluefrog-10 | where can i see the options edubuntu tftp is sending to clients, pls? | 09:17 |
| bluefrog-10 | ok got them | 09:19 |
| bluefrog-10 | well no just found the options in /etc/default. i have tftp options not accepted by clients, those are the one I want to look at | 09:27 |
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| goose[zzz] | Hey | 10:48 |
| bluefrog-10 | hi | 10:49 |
| goose[zzz] | Have the dev team fixed the floppy disk issue? | 10:49 |
| bluefrog-10 | sry don't know | 10:49 |
| goose[zzz] | could i ask another question about different linux versions for a primary school | 10:50 |
| bluefrog-10 | could try to answer | 10:50 |
| goose[zzz] | Which would be better for a primary school | 10:51 |
| bluefrog-10 | edubuntu | 10:51 |
| bluefrog-10 | what do u want to do? | 10:52 |
| goose[zzz] | basic desktop tasks like office tasks | 10:53 |
| bluefrog-10 | edubuntu's fine | 10:53 |
| goose[zzz] | can't use it | 10:54 |
| bluefrog-10 | u get openoffice and schooltool planning/calendar (don't know it much but i believe it does this | 10:54 |
| goose[zzz] | it has no floppy disk support | 10:54 |
| bluefrog-10 | as in client can't write on floppies? | 10:55 |
| goose[zzz] | correct | 10:55 |
| bluefrog-10 | ah dind't know about that | 10:55 |
| bluefrog-10 | then use ubuntu and u set up ltsp over it. that'll keep u waiting until the new edubuntu version comes out | 10:56 |
| goose[zzz] | hmm yeah | 10:56 |
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| tiris_ | Hey all: does anyone know of a comprehensive guide to setup and administration of a classroom like setting that this operating system is to be used for? Mainly how to set up network accounts (i.e. student can log on to any computer and have the same data and settings) for use on the classroom desktop array. | 11:24 |
| bluefrog-10 | they will have the same desktop wherever they log from | 11:26 |
| tiris_ | ??"same desktop" meaning gnome or kde? | 11:27 |
| bluefrog-10 | whichever u want to use. kde u will need to install it first | 11:27 |
| bluefrog-10 | as gnome is default for eubuntu | 11:27 |
| tiris_ | okay | 11:28 |
| bluefrog-10 | accounts, you add users on the server and that's it | 11:28 |
| bluefrog-10 | if you have windows machine, you can setup samba-ldap on top of edubuntu | 11:28 |
| tiris_ | how does the linux machine interface to the login server to lookup and allow users onto the machine? | 11:30 |
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| bluefrog-10 | what do u want to do? u already have a server for authentication? | 11:31 |
| tiris_ | I am kind of new to linux in general and am looking for pointers to solving these type of problems. Like .hey man you need to know these things: item one, item two, etc.. | 11:32 |
| bluefrog-10 | so start from the beginning, what is your plan/idea? | 11:33 |
| tiris_ | I was thinking that I could try to set something like this up to learn linux better and then document what I do for others. | 11:33 |
| tiris_ | but really I know almost nothing about administering a linux box | 11:34 |
| bluefrog-10 | do u have a network already? do u want to have a testlab separate from the existing network, do u want to switch from windows to linux? | 11:34 |
| tiris_ | I was thinking that would be best | 11:34 |
| tiris_ | err the first thing | 11:35 |
| tiris_ | seting up an isolated network | 11:35 |
| bluefrog-10 | the edubuntu and u'ready to fire up | 11:35 |
| bluefrog-10 | then | 11:35 |
| tiris_ | but it would be connected to the internet through a gateway or something | 11:36 |
| bluefrog-10 | it's up to u | 11:36 |
| tiris_ | ?? I got lost. | 11:37 |
| tiris_ | I know it is up to me what to do. But I need some HOWTO documentation on the items that I need to know in order to complete all tasks involved in the setup | 11:38 |
| bluefrog-10 | with no offense (i have a big smile) if you don't know if you want tea, coffee or something else i can't tell you | 11:39 |
| tiris_ | I am not asking what I want. | 11:39 |
| tiris_ | I am asking for direction. | 11:39 |
| bluefrog-10 | the same, direction to go where? | 11:39 |
| bluefrog-10 | learning linux? | 11:40 |
| bluefrog-10 | setting up a network? | 11:40 |
| bluefrog-10 | are u a company which wants to wider its offers to companies/school? | 11:41 |
| bluefrog-10 | adn so on... | 11:41 |
| tiris_ | i.e. "Hey man these are the things that you need to know in order to setup a simple classroom setting using edubuntu: setting up a linux server to host userinformation, setting up edubuntu to allow users to log on - using information from the linux server previously mentioned." | 11:41 |
| bluefrog-10 | then the answer is simple. install edubuntu, add users, grab some thin client and switch them on. | 11:43 |
| tiris_ | I am a user that discovered Ubuntu yesterday...and linux only a few months ago and am trying to get a handel on things by doing. I figured that setting up a classroom would be a good start. Maybe I am aiming too high. | 11:44 |
| bluefrog-10 | for any problems encountered while runnning the server/clients, pop in here and ask question | 11:44 |
| bluefrog-10 | no not too high | 11:44 |
| bluefrog-10 | the list is as follows... | 11:45 |
| bluefrog-10 | grab a decent machine to start with. 512 RAM | 11:45 |
| bluefrog-10 | for server | 11:45 |
| tiris_ | on the desktops say there is 50 of them...I have to add each student to all of them??? I thought it would be possible to add them to a server once and then the 50 desktops would query the server about username and pass? | 11:45 |
| bluefrog-10 | are u familar with windows servers? | 11:46 |
| tiris_ | more so than linux | 11:46 |
| bluefrog-10 | well same principle. setup server, add users | 11:46 |
| tiris_ | In windows I would just add the desktops to the domain | 11:47 |
| bluefrog-10 | not with a windows teerminal server | 11:47 |
| bluefrog-10 | but then if u have 50 desktops, edubuntu server will simplify your job | 11:47 |
| bluefrog-10 | u don't install linux on the thin clients | 11:48 |
| tiris_ | define thin? | 11:48 |
| bluefrog-10 | u boot the thin client and everything is done on the server | 11:48 |
| bluefrog-10 | the thin client is merely a box with a cardboard, network card, amous and keyboard and a screen | 11:49 |
| tiris_ | err I am getting lost again. | 11:49 |
| tiris_ | Let us build on a senerio | 11:49 |
| bluefrog-10 | have you ever heard of windows terminal server? | 11:49 |
| tiris_ | first one server | 11:49 |
| tiris_ | yes | 11:49 |
| tiris_ | but I have never used one | 11:50 |
| bluefrog-10 | well then it's the same except that you reaplce the word windows by linux | 11:50 |
| tiris_ | I use full blown desktops so that program information is stored locally and user information is stored on the network | 11:50 |
| bluefrog-10 | well am wrong somewhere, windows terminal server = big money, linux terminal server = 0$ | 11:51 |
| tiris_ | that is what I was hoping to accomplish | 11:51 |
| bluefrog-10 | if you have a need for installing linux on every desktop you can do it as well, it all depends on waht you want to do | 11:52 |
| bluefrog-10 | if you want to keep all your windows client and use a linux server for authentication you can do it | 11:53 |
| tiris_ | okay say I install linux on all the desktops...could all user information be stored on the network instead of on the local machine? | 11:53 |
| bluefrog-10 | if you want to use all linux desktop with a windows server you can do it | 11:53 |
| bluefrog-10 | if you want | 11:54 |
| tiris_ | how | 11:54 |
| tiris_ | ? | 11:54 |
| tiris_ | is there a TOPIC that I can read about on it? | 11:54 |
| bluefrog-10 | google for server authentication, linux terminal server, windows server, linux server... | 11:55 |
| bluefrog-10 | if u're using windows it's the same as roaming profile for desktops and a server | 11:55 |
| bluefrog-10 | ltsp.org | 11:56 |
| tiris_ | hmmm cool...I will roll with this to start with. | 11:57 |
| tiris_ | thanks | 11:57 |
| bluefrog-10 | k | 11:57 |
| tiris_ | oh can I ask one more thing? | 11:59 |
| bluefrog-10 | go ahead | 12:00 |
| tiris_ | Do you know of a good linux explianDo you know of a good linux explanation guide? Should cover topics like where useful files are and what the are for, also how to properly install and uninstall a program (i.e. where to download the tar to and where to unpack to and how to uninstall a old version of a program to install a newer version of the same program). | 12:04 |
| tiris_ | opps a bit of a repeat there | 12:04 |
| bluefrog-10 | try to google for linux guide, as of installing and removing program simple as clicking on add programs choose the program you want to install same for removing | 12:05 |
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