[12:01] <azeem> dude, you lived without topic-diff.pl until now?
[12:01] <Riddell> is there an ubuntu art IRC channel?
[12:02] <ogra> Riddell, #ubuntu-artwork
[12:09] <Riddell> ogra: thanks, I'd tried all other possible combinations
[12:09] <ogra> heh
[12:10] <womble> How do I get added as a maintainer of a package, so I can see all of my bugs in launchpad?  Or does somebody With Authority have to mark me as maintainer?  (Neither the Launchpad nor Ubuntu wikis are giving me any love)
[12:11] <daniels> womble: With Authority, AIUI
[12:11] <womble> daniels: Any idea who I might make my request to?
[12:12] <daniels> no clue, sorry
[12:12] <\sh> womble: are u upstream?
[12:12] (womble/#ubuntu-devel) \sh: Define "upstream".  I'm Debian maint for about a dozen things, and Ultimate Upstream for one or two.
[12:12] (womble/#ubuntu-devel) Is there a way I can subscribe to bugs on a package?
[12:13] <\sh> womble: ok...to be ultimate upstream, for this ask on #launchpad 
[12:13] <\sh> womble: regarding packages...well...yes...this is a real problem, without maintainership in ubuntu :)
[12:14] <womble> \sh: I'm not pro Maintainer Death Grip, but there is always going to be some collection of packages I'm more interested in over the average.
[12:14] <\sh> womble: do u know if your packages are in main or in universe? if universe please check here for bugs on your packages https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs
[12:15] <\sh> womble: or check here: https://launchpad.net/products/+all
[12:15] <\sh> womble: but this is all launchpad...so i think this is more #launchpad 
[12:15] <womble> \sh: Uhm, +assignedbugs isn't useful to me -- waaaaaaaay too much noise.
[12:15] <womble> \sh: I'll go and ask over there.  Thanks.
[12:15] <\sh> womble: this is only for universe packages
[12:16] <womble> \sh: "Only" universe is still a big list of packages -- 99.9% of which I have no interest, experience, or knowledge of.
[12:16] <\sh> womble: welcome to the real world of the MOTUs :)
[12:19] <ogra> womble, you need a launchpad account, then you can just subscribe to the bug... regarding that launchpads malone also will track upstream bugs or debian bugs, you could even use it for all your bugtracking
[12:20] <ogra> its quite capable to centralize this stuff :)
[12:20] <bob2_> Amaranth: yes, still working on it
[12:20] <bob2_> Amaranth: seb128 uploaded pyxdg 0.15 yesterday or so
[12:21] <womble> ogra: I've got a launchpad account.  Before I can subscribe to the bug, though, I need to know it exists.  And launchpad needs a couple of dozen major features before I think about switching away from the Debian BTS as my primary bug tracker for Debian packages.
[12:21] <ogra> womble, whats missing ? file whishlist bugs on malone :)
[12:22] <womble> ogra: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PackageSubscriptions, for one
[12:22] <womble> Far better e-mail based bug management, for another.
[12:22] <ogra> search for products via https://launchpad.net/products
[12:22] <womble> (Which I think there's a spec somewhere for, too)
[12:23] <ogra> womble, did you try the email management yet ? 
[12:23] <tseng> PackageSubscriptions is a must for everyone since a long time
[12:24] <tseng> hopefully it will land RSN
[12:24] <ogra> tseng, !
[12:24] <womble> ogra: docs?
[12:24] <tseng> ogra: !
[12:24] <tseng> hiya
[12:24] <ogra> tseng, my f-spot died :/
[12:24] <ogra> with todays upgrade...
[12:24] <tseng> ...the dbus rebuild?
[12:25] <ogra> seems i cant get a mono-mcs to build the source myself ... i havent tracked it further yet
[12:25] <tseng> ok, what is the symptom?
[12:25] <ogra> s/to/package to/
[12:25] <tseng> and why the hell do i have screenshots of ancient rhythmbox mockups in my ~
[12:25] <ogra> lol
[12:26] <tseng> hm they are in rb cvs
[12:26] <tseng> ogra: do you get a "backtrace" spit out
[12:27] <ogra> tseng, nope, it just hardlocks
[12:27] <tseng> hm
[12:27] <ogra> during scrolling through the images or the timebar
[12:27] <\sh> pitti: when are u uploading libjack0.100.0?
[12:27] <pitti> \sh: a day ago
[12:28] <\sh> pitti: grmpf.
[12:28] <janimo> daniels, how to rebuild just the ati driver in the x tree?
[12:28] <pitti> \sh: jack-audio-connection-kit |  0.100.0-4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[12:28] <janimo> I issue make in build-tree
[12:28] <pitti> \sh: magnon wanted me to do that fast, since he wanted it for the transition in universe (for syncs, etc.)
[12:28] <\sh> pitti: yeah
[12:28] <janimo> and then copy ati_drv.o to /usr/x/lib/modules?
[12:28] <\sh> well...so he should do the transition 
[12:29] <janimo> debuild binary rebuilds the whole tree
[12:29] <\sh> pitti: so..when are u fixing jack-audio-connection-kit? ,)
[12:30] <pitti> ?
[12:30] <daniels> janimo: start debuild -us -uc, then ^C it when it starts actually running gcc on things
[12:30] <daniels> janimo: then cd programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati and make
[12:30] <\sh> pitti: E: Package type-handling has no installation candidate
[12:30] <pitti> \sh: that's already fixed
[12:31] <pitti> \sh: the package has moved to universe and could be uncrippled
[12:31] <janimo> daniels, and the resulting ati_drv.o is good to go?
[12:31] <daniels> janimo: right
[12:31] <janimo> I'll try
[12:31] <ogra> tseng, i'd look myself, but there seem to be only mono-gmcs and mono-common to be in the archive
[12:31] <daniels> janimo: well, you'll need radeon_drv.o rather than ati_drv.o
[12:31] <daniels> janimo: but yeah
[12:32] <\sh> pitti: hmmm...because right now we don't have anything which looks like libjack
[12:32] <\sh> pitti: install-ish
[12:32] <tseng> ogra: id say that is false, since slomo_ and i built everything before upload
[12:32] <pitti> \sh: libjack0.100.0-0 |  0.100.0-4 | dapper/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc
[12:32] <tseng> ogra: and the buildd had no such trouble either
[12:32] <tseng> pool/main/m/mono/mono-mcs_1.1.9.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:33] <ogra> very strange
[12:33] <\sh> pitti: strange updated dapper pbuilder is complaining...moment
[12:34] <ogra> tseng, sorry... i looked at universe ....
[12:38] <pitti> elmo: please sync ruby1.8
[12:39] <\sh> generating dapper dchroot 
[12:42] <\sh> pitti: looks like our jack needs a little give-back
[12:42] <pitti> \sh: we can't give back packages that successfully built
[12:43] <\sh> pitti: hmm...strange..I don't see it on the buildd logs 
[12:43] <pitti> \sh: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/j/jack-audio-connection-kit/
[12:44] <tseng> jdub returns!
[12:44] <pitti> \sh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/j/jack-audio-connection-kit/0.100.0-4/
[12:44] <pitti> \sh: it took a while until it was demoted to universe, thus the many FTBFS
[12:44] <\sh> pitti: ok....could be there is a glitch in the matrix....
[12:44] <pitti> \sh: out of date mirror?
[12:45] <\sh> pitti: archive.ubuntu.com?
[12:46] <pitti> that one's fine
[12:46] <\sh> pitti: u see...why i'm confused
[12:47] <\sh> haha
[12:47] <\sh> yeah....I'm still not clean
[12:47] <\sh> but anyways..building a clean chroot 
[12:53] <sistpoty> ' \sh a clean dapper chroot or updated from breezy?
[12:54] <\sh> updated from breezy...if this is not helping...I'll have to install new debootstrap
[12:54] <sistpoty> I tried a new dapper (not updated) some hours ago... didn't finish :(
[12:54] <sistpoty> but maybe it was my fault ;)
[12:55] <janimo> daniels, crashes with NoAccel bool/int and -O2/-O0 all combinations
[12:56] <janimo> only NoAccel FALSE saves
[12:56] <daniels> janimo: gnar
[12:56] <janimo> any debugging hints?
[12:56] <janimo> I tries sudo gdb X
[12:56] <LaserJock> I was able to make a clean dapper chroot last week or so but haven't tried recently
[12:56] <janimo> but that made the screen blank had to reboot
[12:57] <daniels> janimo: gdb'ing from the same machine is a no-no
[12:57] <daniels> janimo: the server gets a signal, so gdb stops it in-place -> your video card is screwed
[12:57] <daniels> you need to do it remotely
[12:58] <daniels> my best thought at the moment would be to remove info->NoAccel and just do a test in radeon_driver.c a la -75, but that's a nasty hack
[12:59] <janimo> you want to find the reason it crashes not just fix it for X600/X700 right?
[12:59] <daniels> yeah
[12:59] <\sh> ok...something is really wrong
[12:59] <janimo> since noaccel is true when it crashes is it in XAA as you said earlier?
[01:00] <janimo> does XAA handle the non acceled path too?
[01:00] <daniels> if noaccel is true, xaa shouldn't be called at all
[01:00] <janimo> but you said you thin it crashed in XAA
[01:00] <janimo> that would be weird in this case
[01:01] <daniels> very
[01:01] <janimo> should I build the -dbg version for gdb-ing?
[01:01] <janimo> I see there's an xc-dbg dir created
[01:01] <daniels> nah, the radeon_drv.o in your build tree is unstripped
[01:02] <janimo> isn;t it possible that it crashes outside radeon?
[01:02] <Riddell> op needed in #ubuntu
[01:03] <Riddell> poke seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[01:04] <janimo> I'll try remote gdb tomorrow.is that gdb through a ssh login, or gdb-server and such sofistication?
[01:05] <daniels> janimo: just gdb through ssh is fine
[01:05] <janimo> ok, I'll let you know what I find
[01:05] <daniels> thanks a lot dude, appreciate it
[01:06] <janimo> np, thank you too
[01:07] <Keybuk> Riddell: wouldn't they run out of poking steam half way through that list
[01:18] <Keybuk> mdz: does lrm-manager /deliberately/ remove the volatile tmpfs after an upgrade?
[01:18] <Keybuk> or is that just somebody failing to check "$1" = remove/purge
[01:57] <Keybuk> Rejected: ardour_0.99-3ubuntu1.dsc refers to ardour_0.99.orig.tar.gz, but I can't find it in the queue or in the pool.
[01:57] <Keybuk> ^ who wants to own up? :)
[01:57] <\sh> Keybuk: thx to launchpad discussion
[01:57] <\sh> Keybuk: my fault...sorry
[01:57] <\sh> i just banged my head against the wall for it
[02:04] <mdz> Keybuk: dunno
[02:05] <Keybuk> it could be useful to keep it if KVER=@@KVERSION@@ ... otherwise I guess it makes no difference
[02:41] <sistpoty> elmo: please sync gvr (1.3.4-1) override ok
[02:59] <tritium> Is the Ubuntu "engineer" certification program in place?  The IBM DB2 announcement refers to "Ubuntu engineers"...
[02:59] <\sh> elmo: please sync armagetron from debian unstable, override ubuntu changes ok
[03:08] <jdong_> hey guys, would it be at all possible for me to get (1) Fridge (2) people.ubuntu.com/~jdong accounts?
[03:17] <bob2> people accounts require login access to rookery
[03:18] <bob2> and I'm pretty sure only employees have tat
[03:18] <jdong_> ah, ok... darn...
[03:18] <jdong_> what about the fridge?
[03:18] <bob2> talk to jdub or whipruh, I suppose
[03:19] <ogra> you need to be a member i think
[03:21] <daniels> i believe rookery (and thus chinstrap) accounts are canonical-only at this point in time
[03:21] <daniels> but fridge's independent of that, so yeah, talk to jdub or whiprush
[03:22] <lifeless> chinstrap as bastion will be fixed soonish I hear
[03:22] <lifeless> which *may* make having non employee people doable.
[03:23] <daniels> heh.  according to getent passwd, dsilvers got his account before I did.
[03:26] <bob2> haha
[03:29] <whiprush> jdong_: jdub is the guy to talk to about fridge stuff, he has (wisely) kept my account mostly powerless. :)
[03:30] <jdong_> alright, I'll ring jdub later tommorrow
[03:30] <jdong_> thanks everyone
[03:30] <whiprush> in the meantime feel free to ping me on irc if you need anything fridge-wise.
[03:31] <jdong_> whiprush: absolutely :)
[03:33] <jdong_> ** time to bug MOTU :)
[03:33] <jdong_> yay
[04:03] <Kamion> hah, early 'getent passwd' is so not in employment order
[04:10] <daniels> Kamion: yeah
[04:10] <daniels> also, jane's account on chinstrap is ... interesting
[04:10] <pitti> heh
[04:12] <mvo> Kamion: is elmo somewhere near you?
[04:14] <Keybuk> yes
[04:14] <Keybuk> he's a little busy currently though
[04:15] <mvo> Keybuk: ok, I will send a mail to rt@admin then. it looks like there is something wrong with archive.u.c and the Release file for breezy
[04:15] <Keybuk> uhhhh
[04:15] <mvo> yes :/
[04:16] <wasabi> Odd.
[04:16] <wasabi> Monodevelop is somehow not in dapper.
[04:17] <Keybuk> hmm?
[04:17] <Keybuk> gpg: Good signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"
[04:17] <Keybuk> wasabi: uninstallable
[04:17] <Keybuk> mvo: what do you think is wrong with the Release file?
[04:17] <elmo> mvo: one of archive.u.c was broken earlier
[04:17] <elmo> and apt gets horribly confused
[04:18] <elmo> point at a nother mirror, run update, point back, should fix
[04:18] <elmo> kthx
[04:20] <mvo> elmo: I know how to fix the problem, but I think there will be others who don't. it seems to me like it might be enough to just make sure that apts I-M-S request gets something else than a "not modified" to fix the problem
[04:22] <mvo> Keybuk: yeah, seems to happen only for people who updated in the timeframe that the release file changed and got it from the particular server
[04:22] <Keybuk> mvo: yeah, we know why it happened :p
[04:23] <Keybuk> I'll let elmo tell the world though
[04:23] <elmo> the problem is the broken server was in rotation, if apt in stable is broken, this is going to be super unpleasant
[04:24] <mvo> elmo: I don't think it's apt that is broken, it requests the Release file with a I-M-S header and gets a 304. so it uses its local copy that is different than the server version and the Relesae.gpg file does not match
[04:25] <elmo> mvo: ok, so I'm too tired to argue, but I think apt has to deal with this case
[04:25] <elmo> but in any event we need to regen breezy for other reasons
[04:25] <elmo> so this should only be a transient problem
[04:26] <mvo> elmo: ok, thanks (I'm happy to talk to you about how apt can be fixed here once you are more awake)
[04:42] <mpt> desrt, ping
[05:45] <Keybuk> pitti: ping
[05:45] <pitti> Hi Keybuk 
[05:46] <Keybuk> linux-wlan-ng ... does that do depmod in its postinst and postrm?
[05:46] <pitti> Keybuk: apparently not
[05:47] <pitti> Keybuk: but it calls update-modules
[05:47] <Keybuk> pitti: it'll need to now
[05:47] <Keybuk> heh, that's 2.4 shit dude :p  RELEASE THE MODUTILS DEP
[05:48] <pitti> Keybuk: that's added by debhelper
[05:48] <pitti> Keybuk: dh_installmodules or so
[05:48] <pitti> Keybuk: if that's wrong, we should fix debhelper instead
[05:48] <Keybuk> hand me a hammer :)
[05:49] <Keybuk> but yes, it'll need to run depmod -a -q -F /boot/System.map-$KERNEL_VER $KERNEL_VER now
[05:49] <Keybuk> after install and removal
[05:49] <pitti> *shudder*
[05:49] <pitti> that should really be in a wrapper script
[05:49] <pitti> update-modules sounds conveniently generic
[05:50] <crimsun> hmm didn't module-init-tools deprecate that?
[05:50] <Keybuk> update-modules will be gone RSN
[05:50] <pitti> Keybuk: it seems that we should fix dh_installmodule then and just rebuild the affected packages?
[05:51] <pitti> to keep the delta small
[05:51] <Keybuk> KERNEL_VER is the kernel version for the modules you're installing, not the kernel version running on the system
[05:51] <Keybuk> anyhoo, it'll just mean your linux-wlan-ng things won't work right now unless you manually run depmod after booting
[05:51] <Keybuk> or boot now :)
[05:52] <Keybuk> (btw, I have no problem with patching dh_installmodules to run depmod)
[05:54] <desrt> mpt; pong
[05:56] <mpt> desrt, you're the assignee for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/power-management-configuration
[05:56] <mpt> UBZ finishes tomorrow
[05:57] <mpt> I put a bunch of outstanding issues at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagementConfiguration
[05:58] <mpt> Is it ok if I incorporate those points into the design and try to get it approved tomorrow?
[06:00] <desrt> mpt; uhm.  OK.
[06:01] <desrt> mpt; generally speaking, the final thought that we came to was that we would attempt to get richard to address the bullet points under 'backend' upstream
[06:01] <desrt> mpt; so i've written him an email on this subject and am awaiting a reply just now
[06:01] <desrt> mpt; if you have UI suggestions that need merging, those are OK
[06:01] <mpt> ok, great
[06:02] <desrt>  "Remaining percentage" doesn't really make sense when the battery is charging. <- not true
[06:02] <mpt> no?
[06:02] <desrt> agree with ... on prefs
[06:02] <desrt> yes.  the alert dialog box is scary.
[06:02] <desrt> slider for turning off the screen is good.  also perhaps one for dimming it
[06:03] <mpt> ok
[06:03] <desrt> we decided that automatic shutdown on mains power was not something that we should address (but i'm willing to hear an argument to oppose that)
[06:03] <desrt> when "suspend on lid close" is turned off it's obvious that just nothing happens
[06:03] <desrt> (although, in reality, the screen will be turned off)
[06:03] <mpt> right
[06:04] <desrt> the lock-on-suspend thing *is* tricky (perhaps impossible) if the normal screensaver doesn't require a password
[06:04] <desrt> i overlooked that in the BOF
[06:05] <desrt> the "issue warning" text is awful
[06:06] <desrt> should read something like "issue warning when remaining time falls to:"
[06:06] <desrt> and then it becomes obvious what the issued warning will be, even if not explicitly stated
[06:06] <mpt> ah, so if the screensaver is set to not require a password, waking up has nothing to ask to do the authentication UI?
[06:06] <desrt> bingo.
[06:07] <mpt> ok
[06:07] <desrt> i lie
[06:07] <desrt> gnome screensaver is smarter than me :)
[06:07] <desrt> if you call gss-cmd --lock even when lock-on-blank is diabled it still locks
[06:07] <desrt> so we're OK on this point
[06:07] <mpt> great
[06:08] <desrt> are you editing now?
[06:08] <mpt> not right now, in theory I'm asleep
[06:08] <desrt> ok
[06:08] <desrt> i'll hack it a bit, then
[06:09] <mpt> ok, and I'll draw some nice pictures tomorrow
[06:09] <mpt> er, today
[06:09] <desrt> sweet
[06:09] <mpt> past midnight already, I should sleep
[06:09] <mpt> thanks desrt 
[06:10] <desrt> np.
[06:23] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[06:23] <pitti> jdub!
[06:24] <Keybuk> http://www.netsplit.com/2005/bootchart-dapper-20051109-2.png
[06:24] <Keybuk> ^ that's a _little_ better (10s quicker)
[06:25] <desrt> i love bootchart :)
[06:26] <desrt> mpt; more or less done now (if you're still awake and want to give a look)
[06:29] <mpt> thanks desrt 
[06:29] <desrt> is ok?
[06:29] <desrt> you were right about the power dialog... switchuser/logout don't belong on it :p
[06:29] <mpt> jdub, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrowserDefaults is (probably) ready for your approval 
[06:30] <Keybuk> desrt: do you notice what's a little unusual about that one? :)
[06:30] <Keybuk> I hacked it to start in the initramfs, and live in its own little filesystem throughout the boot process
[06:30] <desrt> Keybuk; no.  i just look at the pretty graphics without actually absorbing info :p
[06:31] <mpt> Keybuk, what's that between 25s and 35s?
[06:32] <mpt> or 26 and 36, rather
[06:32] <Keybuk> readahead being very badly optimised with a stupid list someone pulled out of their arse
[06:32] <Keybuk> that should be a 3s blip of full IO, not a ski-slope
[06:32] <infinity> Hey, the list was correct a year ago. :P
[06:32] <infinity> (or more)
[06:32] <mpt> heh
[06:33] <Keybuk> infinity: that list was _NEVER_ correct
[06:33] <Keybuk> /var/log/cups/error_log
[06:33] <infinity> Hah. :)
[06:33] <Keybuk> yes... that needs reading int o memory
[06:33] <infinity> Special.
[06:33] <Keybuk> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:33] <Keybuk> OBVIOUSLY we need that one
[06:33] <mpt> jdub, it may need a little decantankerization, your call :-)
[06:33] <infinity> I assume it was base don files touched during boot, and not much tweaking. :)
[06:34] <infinity> Achwell.  Easy enough to clean up.
[06:34] <infinity> And not cleaning it up in breezy means that dapper will seem THAT MUCH FASTER. :)
[06:35] <infinity> Keybuk : The new lrm didn't seem to blow up for me.  Okay for you?
[06:35] <Keybuk> yup, seemed ok for me
[06:35] <Keybuk> it did a depmod when it installed
[06:35] <Keybuk> and didn't seem to mind one not happening on boot
[06:35] <infinity> Yeahp, I checked that.
[06:36] <infinity> \lo/
[06:36] <infinity> s/l//
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I always wondered why on earth I was doing a depmod every boot
[06:36] <infinity> Cause it's FUN.
[06:36] <Keybuk> ok, so we're depmod'ing modules that we then throw away
[06:37] <Keybuk> and the modules that you have on that volatile tmpfs aren't the modules that are referred to in the lists
[06:37] <Keybuk> but that's ok
[06:37] <Keybuk> because they LOOK A LOT LIKE THEM
[06:37] <infinity> Keybuk : Yeah, it feels horribly evil, but the reasoning is sound.
[06:38] <mpt> desrt, would adding sleep/shutdown options for mains power, parallel to those for battery power, be much extra work?
[06:38] <infinity> Keybuk : Now, if you can convince jbailey (as I've been trying to do) that fragmented/chained initramfs images are utter crack and something we won't support, then we can kill the depmod in initramfs.
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[06:39] <Keybuk> he seems to think it's a good idea
[06:39] <Keybuk> otoh, that depmod is run in an initramfs, reading modules in the same initramfs
[06:39] <Keybuk> which can be defined as "reading memory"
[06:39] <Keybuk> it's so fast, it defeats time
[06:39] <infinity> Keybuk : Yes, but it's still painfully slow for some users, for reasons unknown.
[06:39] <Keybuk> I think they're lieing
[06:39] <desrt> mpt; no.  but it's extra pref for something that almost nobody will want
[06:39] <Keybuk> and it's really the "Loading modules" that's slow
[06:39] <desrt> mpt; talk to corey :)
[06:39] <Keybuk> some of those do block a bit
[06:40] <Burgundavia> desrt, talk to me about what?
[06:40] <mpt> desrt, so you don't like my "gone for the holidays" use case? :-)
[06:40] <desrt> Burgundavia; if we have preference for dim/poweroff-screen/sleep when on mains
[06:40] <infinity> Keybuk : If you package up the bootchart crack, we can find out once and for all, by asking the problematic users to install it. :)
[06:40] <desrt> mpt; no.  it's definitely bogus :)
[06:40] <Keybuk> infinity: yes
[06:40] <Keybuk> I should try and find a better way of building the pretty charts than java
[06:41] <desrt> mpt; you'd be much better to come up with a way to make sure the coffee pot is turned off :)
[06:41] <infinity> Does gcj not compile it?
[06:41] <mpt> desrt, Windows has had such options since 98, afaik, and similar for Mac OS
[06:41] <desrt> cry
[06:41] <desrt> ok.  how about this
[06:41] <mpt> that doesn't necessarily mean they're a good idea, I'm just saying
[06:42] <desrt> if you want to modify the spec i won't stop you
[06:42] <desrt> -but-
[06:42] <desrt> if we're adding this many items then we'll probably need to reintroduce tabs
[06:42] <desrt> and i want you to think long and hard about it before you go and do that
[06:42] <desrt> each additional preference knob comes at the cost of confusign the user a little bit more
[06:42] <mpt> absolutely
[06:42] <Keybuk> infinity: dunno yet, I should find out
[06:43] <infinity> Keybuk : Well, if it compiles it first try, that seems the path of least resistance.
[06:43] <mpt> I don't think *that* would need tabs, though, desrt
[06:43] <desrt> ok
[06:43] <Burgundavia> mpt, there really isn't much usecase for dim/poweroff-screen/sleep when on mains
[06:43] <desrt> just keep in mind.... 7 sliders in a pref dialog looks intimidating
[06:43] <Keybuk> infinity: then I'd have no excuse not to write a rules file and stuff :)  I was almost tempted to just build a _all.deb by hand <g>
[06:43] <mpt> Where's your environmental conscience, Burgundavia 
[06:43] <infinity> Keybuk : Hah.
[06:44] <infinity> Keybuk : The dpkg maintainer should remind himself how to build source packages from time to time anyway. :P
[06:44] <Burgundavia> mpt, sleep is really only a laptop thing currently
[06:44] <desrt> mpt; he don't care about pollution
[06:44] <mpt> desrt, basically turn the word "batteries" into an option menu
[06:44] <desrt> mpt; he's an air-conditioned gypsy
[06:44] <mpt> so flipping the menu changes which options are shown
[06:44] <desrt> mpt; watch the police and the taxman miss him
[06:45] <mpt> that's one way to do it if you don't like 6 sliders at once
[06:45] <Keybuk> infinity: bah
[06:45] <Keybuk> I'LL PUT JAVA IN THE INITRAMFS!
[06:45] <desrt> so like
[06:45] <mpt> ("They put coffee in the initrfamfs, in Brazil")
[06:45] <desrt> When running on [ Battery       | v ] 
[06:45] <desrt>                 | AC Power           ] 
[06:45] <mpt> yah
[06:46] <desrt> and then under that have the sliders that change depending on what pulldown item you select
[06:46] <desrt> vaguely undiscoverable but not too bad
[06:46] <desrt> better than having all 7 at once, i think
[06:46] <mpt> desrt, if you have a copy of the Mozilla suite hanging around, have a look at its font prefs
[06:46] <mpt> I used a similar idea there
[06:46] <desrt> mpt; THAT DIALOG HAS NEEDED TO DIE FOR TEN YEARS
[06:46] <desrt> holy shit i hate the mozilla font dialog
[06:46] <mpt> Mozilla's font prefs are crack, but I'm talking about the layout :-)
[06:47] <Keybuk> that's crack too
[06:48] <desrt> welcome to the 21st century
[06:48] <desrt> we have this thing called unicode
[06:49] <desrt> it means that every character set on earth doesn't require its own font
[06:49] <mpt> yah
[06:49] <desrt> 21st century meet mozilla.... mozilla, MEET THE FREAKIN' 21st CENTURY!
[06:49] <Keybuk> mozilla is the american version of a browser on a diet
[06:49] <Keybuk> big mac, large fries, chicken nuggets but a DIET COKE!
[06:50] <desrt> atkins?
[06:50] <jsgotangco> yum
[06:50] <Keybuk> so it's still fat, but can just squeeze through doors if shoved hard enough
[06:50] <mpt> Keybuk, where Netscape 6 is the one with the normal Coke?
[06:50] <desrt> it
[06:50] <desrt> 's a shame that firefox is so intensely popular
[06:50] <Keybuk> mpt: SUPER SIZED
[06:50] <mpt> and Netscape 7 is the one with extra cheese
[06:51] <desrt> since ephy is a better product
[06:51] <Burgundavia> desrt, indeed
[06:51] <desrt> but it's worth shipping firefox with ubuntu just because of its popularity
[06:51] <desrt> everyone knows how to use it and everyone likes it
[06:51] <mpt> rename it to Ephyfox and give it an icon of some sort of animal burning up on re-entering Earth's atmosphere
[06:51] <desrt> and certainly, everyone has at least _heard of_ it
[06:52] <desrt> Ephyrfox
[06:52] <mpt> Epyrephox
[06:52] <Burgundavia> ZephyrFox
[06:53] <Burgundavia> ZephyFox
[06:53] <dilinger> CrashyFox
[06:53] <desrt> isn't zephyr some weird IM service?
[06:53] <mpt> my Toshiba's called zephyr, because it's running Breezy
[06:53] <desrt> one of my servers at school is called breezy because it's running breezy
[06:53] <neuralis_> desrt: zephyr is the old-school internal MIT IM system.
[06:54] <desrt> i want to register 6 hostnames at mcmaster... and they're all available except for 1
[06:54] <desrt> available: up, down, truth, beauty, charm
[06:54] <desrt> taken: strange
[06:54] <desrt> that was just the rain on my parade :(
[07:00] <freeflying_> smurf: hi
[07:02] <jdub> hmm, 2.6.15 is sounding good'
[07:02] <dilinger> just read the lwn article too, eh?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> "living in Ubuntus shadow"
[07:07] <jdub> yay ubuntu tree in lwn kernel page! BenC :-)
[07:48] <Burgundavia> desrt, you had a chance to chat with richard yet?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> salut magnon 
[07:54] <magnon> hey corey
[07:54] <Burgundavia> where you in the MenusRevisited stuff?
[07:56] <magnon> I think so
[07:56] <rob^> does this chan have a log somewhere?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> rob^, yes, same place as all the rest
[07:56] <magnon> yeah, I did attend menus revisited
[07:57] <rob^> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:14] <Burgundavia> salut marilize 
[08:15] <marilize> Burgundavia: mr burger, how are you???
[08:15] <jsgotangco> hey hey
[08:15] <Burgundavia> marilize, tired and I should be going to sleep
[08:16] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, started working again?
[08:16] <marilize> yes, just wanted to ask, what are you still doing up.....
[08:16] <beppo> Hi #ubuntu-devel
[08:16] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I went back to work on monday
[08:16] <Treenaks> marilize: "still"?
[08:16] <marilize> slept the whole day yesterday, two days of traveling, not fun
[08:16] <Treenaks> and is STILL tired
[08:16] <zakame> whoa
[08:16] <marilize> treebaks! hi
[08:17] <marilize> treenaks
[08:17] <marilize> hi everybody!
[08:17] <beppo> is there ia list to report problems or bugs in order to help? 
[08:17] <highvoltage> hi marilize 
[08:17] <Treenaks> beppo: http://launchpad.net/
[08:17] <beppo> thanks Treenaks 
[08:18] <beppo> there is probably a problem with bogofilter on the CD of Ubuntu 5.10
[08:19] <highvoltage> marilize: back in .za?
[08:19] <beppo> libdb4.3-dev  needs to be installed
[08:19] <marilize> highvoltage: yes, got back wed. morning
[08:21] <Treenaks> marilize: oh you were on the same plane as JaneW?
[08:22] <marilize> Treenaks: no, she left a day after me, but i went via London with a 12 hour layover
[08:22] <Treenaks> marilize: ouch
[08:23] <Treenaks> we had to run to catch our plane to Amsterdam in Heathrow
[08:23] <Treenaks> (almost)
[08:25] <magnon> Hm. I just asked my mother on msn if she could tell me something very positive about me that I could put on my CV for now
[08:25] <magnon> and then... she logs out instantly
[08:25] <magnon> :(
[08:26] <Treenaks> magnon: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/blockedme.php
[08:26] <Treenaks> (flash)
[08:26] <magnon> I don't have flash
[08:26] <magnon> ppc
[08:26] <Treenaks> oh yeah, you're one of THOSE people :)
[08:27] <magnon> which reminds me, I'm supposed to ubuntify a bunch of machines here
[08:27] <Treenaks> magnon: uh.. you can resolve weird problems with Chinese/Canadian hotel staff
[08:27] <magnon> can't be liberal youth office without ubuntu machines, can it
[08:27] <Kamion> keyboardMash: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[08:27] <Treenaks> magnon: isn't that a CV-able skill?
[08:27] <magnon> Treenaks: Oh, guess so
[08:27] <magnon> thanks :p
[08:27] <keyboardMash> Kamion, thanks, found it 
[08:30] <magnon> ugh, I need fake references :P
[08:31] <magnon> I have... ten different trusted positions of voluntary work, and led a bunch of (still voluntary) IT-projects and teached computer security for youth
[08:31] <magnon> but I just have high school and my only work reference is my own business :P
[08:31] <magnon> oh, in fact I didn't complete high school totally, I miss two subjects. Even better.
[08:34] <Treenaks> magnon: I have that, I just got hired by .nl's coolest ISP (xs4all) :)
[08:35] <zakame> magnon: aww
[08:36] <magnon> zakame: ah well, people often question my responsibility, but I usually just say I had two years of leadership of a cultural event in Oslo which had a budget for about 20,000 which I was personally responsible for. It helps. :P
[08:37] <zakame> magnon: good for you... at least you still get to take such a lead :)
[08:38] <magnon> zakame: I could do such a thing again, but my wallet is dusty
[08:38] <zakame> magnon: here in .ph, 'tis very hard to get a good job without a college degree :(
[08:39] <magnon> same here
[08:40] <zakame> but what really bakes the noodle is that getting a good education is even harder :(
[08:41] <magnon> oh, we get that for free :p
[08:42] <Treenaks> magnon: if you marry me, you could become a Dutch citizen. If you're <28, you can get it for free :)
[08:43] <Treenaks> magnon: oh.. kick your parents into paying then
[08:43] <magnon> paying for education? it's free, I said :P
[08:43] <Treenaks> say you'll pay it back when you have a decent job -- which the education will provide
[08:43] <Treenaks> "See it as an investment"
[08:44] <Treenaks> magnon: oh.. I read "not for free"
[08:44] <magnon> I stay away from my parents
[08:45] <zakame> haha
[08:45] <jsgotangco> zakame, it's not really that bad as you think it is
[08:46] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: what? timezones?
[08:46] <jsgotangco> Treenaks, no the education i mean
[08:46] <jsgotangco> sorry
[08:46] <jsgotangco> Timezones are bad
[08:46] <jsgotangco> really bad
[08:46] <jsgotangco> it would have been nice if the world was flat
[08:47] <zakame> jsgotangco: well, yeah, otoh the quality is very good
[08:47] <zakame> at least for some schools
[08:53] <magnon> hello Jane!
[09:08] <Orborde> I was going to suggest that the default sshd settings not permit root login at all. Where would I file this suggestion?
[09:08] <Orborde> Should I file a bug or what?
[09:09] <_native_> Thats what i would guess.
[09:12] <Orborde> Thanks
[09:26] <sivang> morning all
[09:28] <marilize> sivang: morning
[09:29] <sivang> marilize: hey :) are you not sleeping ? 
[09:31] <marilize> hi, no, slept whole day yesterday :)
[09:42] <sivang> hmm
[09:42] <sivang> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[10:32] <Mithrandir> is the bug importing script not running again?
[10:35] <sivang> Mithrandir: importing bugs from bugzilla to malone?
[10:36] <Mithrandir> yup
[10:43] <sivang> Mithrandir: do you have any idea what happens to specs that do not appear on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable ? are they deffered from dapper?
[10:44] <Mithrandir> sivang: they might not be attached to dapper, for some reason?
[10:45] <sivang> Mithrandir: k
[10:51] <koke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited/Comments?action=diff <-- is my last comment correct?
[11:21] <highvoltage> I asked in #ubuntu, and got no reply, i hope it's not too intrusive asking here, on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable it mentions amd64, arm, hppa, i386 powerpc and sparc. does this mean that 6.04 will support all these architectures?
[11:21] <highvoltage> or is it mentioned for upstream purposes?
[11:22] <Mithrandir> elmo: please sync ttf2pt1 from unstable to dapper.  Ok to override Ubuntu changes.
[11:22] <Mithrandir> highvoltage: dapper will exist for all of them.  Some of them will be more official than others, AIUI.
[11:25] <highvoltage> cool :)
[11:26] <sivang> dholbach: morning daniel
[11:27] <dholbach> hi sivan
[11:27] <dholbach> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/65966 - "Ubuntu for the data centre" :)
[11:28] <sivang> dholbach:  :)
[11:51] <Mithrandir> dholbach: you requested a sync for atk yesterday, didn't you?
[11:52] <dholbach> Mithrandir: yes
[11:52] <Mithrandir> dholbach: would you mind grabbing the merge bug for stuff you request syncs for?  Just as an advisory lock?
[11:53] <dholbach> Mithrandir: oh, reassign it to me? that makes sense, will do next time
[11:53] <Mithrandir> dholbach: yes, juts assigning it to you.  Anyway, if it's synced, please close the bug. :-)
[11:54] <Mithrandir> 19120
[11:54] <dholbach> merci
[11:54] <Mithrandir> is upload.ubuntu.com down right ?
[11:54] <Mithrandir> s/right/& now/
[11:55] <Mithrandir> I get ECONNREFUSED
[11:55] <dholbach> i had hiccups of it before... never knew what actually was wrong
[11:55] <Nafallo> was just slow on my upload of apt-proxy a while ago
[11:55] <seb128> why nobody mention the Ubuntu changes when merging?
[11:56] <seb128> we drop any information on what we changed
[11:56] <Mithrandir> I uploaded stuff ten minutes ago which worked fine, but it seems to refuse my connections now.  Maybe it thinks I'm DoS-ing it?
[11:56] <Mithrandir> seb128: no, don't drop the changelog chunks.
[11:56] <Mithrandir> Znarl: ^^ ?  upload.ubuntu.com broken?
[11:56] <seb128> "* Resynchronise with Debian."
[11:57] <seb128> adding a 
[11:57] <seb128> - ... Build-Depends updated
[11:57] <seb128> - this change
[11:57] <seb128> is easy to do and make easy to know what we change for the package
[11:58] <Lathiat> seb128: so what didnt keybuk like about the zc spec
[11:58] <Mithrandir> seb128: compared to the previous Ubuntu version or compared to the last Debian version, you mean?
[11:58] <seb128> Mithrandir: compared to the Debian version
[11:58] <Mithrandir> seb128: that's already in the changelog for the Ubuntu versions.
[11:58] <seb128> Mithrandir: so we know what the Ubuntu changes on the package are and why we can't ask a sync
[11:59] <seb128> Mithrandir: changelog than we drop when we resynchronise
[11:59] <Nafallo> I like pitti's changelogs in that regard :-)
[11:59] <Nafallo> Only changes left:
[11:59] <dholbach> Mithrandir: i agree with seb, it makes perfect sense, to list just what's left of changes to debian in a aggregated way
[11:59] <Mithrandir> seb128: yes, and when we sync any changes are no longer important, hence sync.  If it's a merge, the changes from the Ubuntu version still holds.
[11:59] <seb128> Mithrandir: I've to grep the distro-changes box to find the informations
[11:59] <Mithrandir> *shrug*; either way works.
[11:59] <slomo_> infinity, lamont-away: please give-back mono-tools... the ftbfs is seemed to be a temporary error as it builds fine here in pbuilder
[12:00] <seb128> Mithrandir: hum. What we do, is: 
[12:00] <seb128> - take the current Debian version
[12:00] <seb128> - add a changelog entry saying we resynchronize with deb
[12:00] <seb128> - apply the ubuntu changes
[12:00] <seb128> so we drop the ubuntu changelog
[12:00] <seb128> and we don't mention those ubuntu changes
[12:00] <Mithrandir> that's not a merge, no.
[12:01] <Mithrandir> what we do there is take the Ubuntu package, apply the debian changes to the Ubuntu package, ... profit.
[12:01] <Mithrandir> MOM merges the changelog, there's a reason for that.
[12:02] <Mithrandir> if you do byhand merges, merge the changelog, yes.
[12:02] <seb128> I do what I've described
[12:02] <Mithrandir> you don't use MOM?
[12:02] <Lathiat> isnt MOM b0rked anyway?
[12:02] <seb128> I'm not the only one probably by looking at some of the pitti's changes
[12:02] <seb128> Mithrandir: is mom running again?
[12:03] <seb128> Mithrandir: I thought it was b0rked due to snapshot.debian.org issues
[12:03] <Mithrandir> seb128: it has merged stuff which went into Debian three days ago, for instance.
[12:03] <Mithrandir> seb128: for some packages, it's borked, for a lot, it's not.
[12:03] <seb128> hum, k, so maybe I should use it :)
[12:03] <Lathiat> might be good to make it indicate when ti can't find the comparison package
[12:04] <Lathiat> and probably need to do some kind of manual lifting
[12:19] <seb128_> re
[12:21] <seb128_> Lathiat, Nafallo: was that one of you who had a screem package update ?
[12:21] <Nafallo> seb128: yepp, me :-).
[12:21] <viviersf> where can i get the source for the ubuntu installer ?
[12:22] <slomo_> seb128: gnome-user-share is in NEW :)
[12:22] <seb128_> Nafallo: is it based on the Debian 0.15.1 ?
[12:22] <seb128_> slomo_: cool
[12:22] <Nafallo> seb128: yepp. but fixed in various places where Tollef told me he wasn't happy :-).
[12:22] <seb128_> cool
[12:22] <seb128_> is your package online? Is Tollef going to upload it?
[12:23] <viviersf> or whats collins nick ?
[12:23] <sivang> viviersf: which colin?
[12:23] <Nafallo> yes, and hopefully. http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/packages :-)
[12:23] <dholbach> viviersf: Colin Watson's nick is Kamion
[12:23] <viviersf> thx
[12:23] <sivang> ah, that one :)
[12:24] <viviersf> sivang, i need ubuntu installer source and i know collin has it :)
[12:24] <Nafallo> viviersf: it's in the archive :-). in millions of sources.
[12:24] <seb128_> Nafallo: dholbach has just worked on the sync from Debian 0.15.1 but you should probably take your 0.16 if he's happy with that. Let we know if you need an uploader. If Mithrandir already commented on it he'll probably upload though
[12:25] <Nafallo> seb128: oki thanx :-).
[12:25] <seb128_> np
[12:25] <Nafallo> dholbach: you saw the URL? :-)
[12:26] <dholbach> Nafallo: url?
[12:26] <dholbach> ah yes
[12:26] <Nafallo> dholbach: if you wanted to check screem 0.16.0 out :-)
[12:27] <viviersf> its weird
[12:27] <viviersf> i just need the debian installer to see what modules it loads
[12:27] <viviersf> :/
[12:29] <viviersf> gl
[12:38] <Diziet> seb128_: You reassigned malone 3203 to firefox but I'm not sure I follow.  Does epiphany use embeddable gecko from the firefox package ?
[12:39] <Diziet> Because I thought the embeddable gecko in the firefox package was half-broken.
[12:40] <tseng> i have several packages using it since warty, and I have yet to see a major gtkmozembed related issue
[12:40] <tseng> fwiw
[12:41] <seb128> Diziet: we build epiphany/galeon/yelp/... with firefox yep
[12:41] <Diziet> tseng: OK.  I just remember a bug report or two about missing metadata of some kind.  (I should mention that I don't really know how the embeddable mozilla works.)
[12:41] <Diziet> seb128: So can 3203 be reproduced with firefox ?
[12:42] <Diziet> If no-one has tried then fine, I can try it myself.
[12:43] <seb128> Diziet: I'm not sure. The bugs of gtkmozembed are not always present with firefox
[12:43] <seb128> I've not tried with firefox no
[12:43] <Diziet> OK.
[12:43] <seb128> Diziet: epiphany's upstream has pointed than http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/rpms/firefox/FC-4/firefox-1.0-uriloader.patch?rev=1.3&view=auto may fix the issue, I'm trying a build with it
[12:45] <tseng> seb128: i can "confirm" it in firefox
[12:45] <seb128> cool
[12:45] <tseng> it opens a new tab and goes nowhere from there
[12:45] <tseng> commenting
[12:53] <zyga> hello
[12:54] <seb128> Diziet: the FC4 patch pointed fixes the issue for me
[12:54] <seb128> Diziet: I've commented on the bug saying so
[12:55] <Diziet> seb128: Good, thanks.
[12:55] <seb128> you're welcome
[12:56] <Diziet> I'm working on the 1.5beta merge now; when I've done that this'll be on the list to revisit.
[12:56] <Diziet> If we don't end up switching to Malone then you might have to remind me.
[12:56] <viviersf> does any here know , the modules that gets loaded in the debian installer
[12:56] <viviersf> where can i get a list of them
[12:56] <viviersf> cos they are a set list
[12:57] <viviersf> hardware scanning is done even before the debian installer is ran
[12:57] <seb128> Diziet: noted
[02:07] <dholbach> Nafallo: want to assign 10890 to yourself?
[02:08] <Nafallo> dholbach: sure
[02:09] <Nafallo> dholbach: if I could, that is :-P
[02:09] <dholbach> Nafallo: ask ogra, kiko or mdz for "editbugs" rights :)
[02:10] <dholbach> Nafallo: you should have them anyway to get into the bug squashers team ;)
[02:10] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[02:28] <pitti> Dear mvo: please fix changelogs.u.c to unbreak ubuntu-cve. Love, pittii
[02:28] <pitti> mvo: :)
[02:37] <\sh> any ppc gurus there who have time to have a look on this http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libv/libvisual/0.2.0-2ubuntu1/libvisual_0.2.0-2ubuntu1_20051104-1514-powerpc-failed.gz and tell me how I can fix it
[02:46] <orborde-remote> How do I refile a bug as a duplicate in Bugzilla?
[02:46] <dholbach> orborde-remote: what do you want to do?
[02:47] <dholbach> elmo: please sync gnome-mag from sid, ok to override.
[02:47] <orborde-remote> dholbach: bug 19437 is a duplicate of 18064
[02:47] <dholbach> orborde-remote: it has a text box where you can enter that information. "mark it as a duplicate of"
[02:48] <dholbach> orborde-remote: be sure to close the one with less information :)
[02:50] <Mithrandir> elmo: please sync tagcoll from Debian unstable.  Ok to override Ubuntu changes.
[02:51] <orborde-remote> dholbach: Thanks
[02:51] <dholbach> orborde-remote: thank you for taking care of bugs
[02:52] <Mithrandir> elmo: please sync tcpdump from Debian unstable.  Overriding Ubuntu changes is ok.
[02:52] <orborde-remote> dholbach: I don't think I have the powers to move bugs around like that :(
[02:53] <dholbach> orborde-remote: you seem to need editbugs rights for that... if you want to help out with bug triage and had a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs mdz, kiko or ogra can give you those
[03:03] <orborde-remote> Not to be too stupid, but how do I list the people in a channel on IRSSI?
[03:04] <orborde-remote> Oh, never mind.
[03:06] <orborde-remote> dholbach: Could you mark that duplicate for me?
[03:07] <dholbach> will do
[03:07] <orborde-remote> dholbach: I don't have the amazing powers and knowledge required to actually enact changes, so it'd be kind of pointless for me to, say, mark the bug as resolved or whatever
[03:07] <Nafallo> dholbach: you left 4 mins ago ;-)
[03:07] <dholbach> Nafallo: i know :)
[03:07] <dholbach> orborde-remote: you seem to need editbugs rights for that... if you want to help out with bug triage and had a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs mdz, kiko or ogra can give you those :)))
[03:07] <desrt> hmm
[03:07] <Nafallo> that
[03:07] <dholbach> haha :)
[03:07] <desrt> this is bad
[03:08] <desrt> dholbach; i just got an email reply from richard hughes
[03:08] <desrt> the gist of it:
[03:08] <desrt> "you're basically asking me to completely rearchitect g-p-m (he's right) and i don't want to"
[03:09] <Robot101> "will you accept a patch?"
[03:09] <orborde-remote> dholbach: Thanks. I'll figure out getting editty powers later, seeing as I'm in class ATM :)
[03:09] <dholbach> orborde-remote: right... thanks again
[03:09] <dholbach> desrt: *cry desperately*
[03:09] <desrt> Robot101; he's said that a lot of people have requested this change on the lists in the past and he's refused all of them
[03:09] <Nafallo> what change?
[03:09] <highvoltage> rewrite gpm, call it ugpm :)
[03:09] <Robot101> fork :)
[03:09] <desrt> "desperately"
[03:09] <Robot101> upm :)
[03:10] <desrt> you've spent too much time around kinnison :)
[03:10] <orborde-remote> dholbach: You might notice that I posted a solution, too, FYI, if there's a status change that should be done
[03:10] <dholbach> desrt: i can cry desperately on my own :)
[03:10] <highvoltage> while you're at it, rewrite the whole way virtual terminals work too ;)
[03:10] <desrt> we don't have time for a g-p-m fork in breezy timeframe :p
[03:10] <desrt> if i wasn't currently an undergraduate student then we might
[03:10] <Amaranth> dapper
[03:10] <dholbach> desrt: and not even in the dapper timeframe
[03:10] <desrt> but i am
[03:10] <desrt> erp.  s/breezy/dapper/
[03:11] <desrt> anyway... richard had a few questions in his reply... so i've answered them, explaining our position a little better
[03:11] <sivang> desrt: maybe have just some of the changes for dapper?
[03:11] <desrt> he seemed annoyed by pitti's security policy
[03:13] <desrt> woh
[03:13] <desrt> that's creepy
[03:13] <desrt> i say "pitti" and he appears
[03:13] <pitti> Hi mvo!
[03:13] <pitti> summoning powers :)
[03:13] <jsgotangco> he sees all
[03:13] <pitti> MUHAHA
[03:14] <desrt> pitti; i have a letter from richard.  he says "run hal as root, sissy"
[03:14] <jsgotangco> he's your security genie in a bottle
[03:14] <mvo> hey pitti 
[03:14] <pitti> desrt: over my cold dead body
[03:14] <desrt> heh :)
[03:15] <desrt> that's the spirit!
[03:15] <pitti> mvo: did you find the reason for the changelogs.u.c. breakage?
[03:15] <desrt> pitti; essentially, richard refuses to introduce our requested changes into g-p-m
[03:16] <pitti> desrt: I didn't go through the "Killallroots, killallroots" hack rave to throw everything away again
[03:16] <ajmitch_> morning
[03:16] <mvo> pitti: no, not yet. but I have a look now
[03:16] <pitti> Hi ajmitch_
[03:16] <Nafallo> morning ajmitch_ :-)
[03:16] <fabbione> mvo: dude.. thanks for the apt upload :)
[03:16] <desrt> pitti; certainly.... a big part of why we want to make the changes is that we don't want to allow random users to perform system actions through HAL
[03:18] <pitti> right
[03:18] <mvo> fabbione: cheers :)
[03:18] <desrt> so we're sort of on entirely different pages :(
[03:19] <teroedni> http://www.directfb.org/<----anyone tried it It really look cool?
[03:19] <desrt> he's advocating that we give root to hal so that it can do something that we explicitly -don't- want it to be able to do :)
[03:19] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:19] <pitti> that is the path to the dark side
[03:19] <desrt> you're a bit hardcore, eh?
[03:20] <siretart> no, he is just a sane thinking person
[03:20] <siretart> huhu pitti :)
[03:20] <pitti> "Dark the other side is"  - " Be quiet Yoda, and eat your toast!"
[03:20] <pitti> Hi siretart 
[03:20] <pitti> desrt: I just refuse to accept the fact that we should introduce a centralized point of failure/attack just because of laziness
[03:21] <pitti> s/fact/proposal/
[03:21] <desrt> pitti; you're preaching to the choir :)
[03:22] <desrt> on the plus side, writing a architecture-agnostic power management daemon is something that ubuntu could really give back to the community
[03:22] <desrt> on the other hand, i would -really- like to avoid stepping on richard's toes... he's been pretty kind to me in the past
[03:22] <desrt> ho hum
[03:23] <fabbione> hey desrt 
[03:23] <fabbione> desrt: do you still want my address? 
[03:24] <desrt> oh.  sure :)
[03:24] <desrt> well
[03:24] <desrt> hmm
[03:24] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:25] <desrt> it'd be better for you to remind me before the next conference
[03:25] <desrt> it's the sort of thing that i really need to give to you in person
[03:25] <desrt> i felt so stupid for not brining it to UBZ
[03:25] <fabbione> desrt: hmm ok.. i just don't know where the next conf is going to be
[03:25] <desrt> germany sounds likely
[03:25] <desrt> "or capetown"
[03:25] <fabbione> yeah but our fearless leader tends to change idea about locations :)
[03:26] <fabbione> desrt: but sure. i will remind you :)
[03:30] <Keybuk> #  The removal of all Bluetooth-related files from /proc (they are in /sys/class/bluetooth now).
[03:30] <Keybuk> \p/
[03:32] <chmj> o.O
[03:32] <pitti> Hi chmj 
[03:32] <chmj> hi pitti 
[03:33] <pitti> Keybuk: good to see /proc *slowly* going back to its original purpose
[03:33] <Keybuk> I wouldn't be surprised if within a year, we just have /proc/<pid> like all the other kernels
[03:33] <Keybuk> and maybe the /proc/sys sysctl mirror
[03:33] <Keybuk> but nothing else
[03:34] <Diziet> I'm not sure I see the point of reorganising it, personally, but I've not been following the kernel discussions about it.
[03:35] <pitti> It has become a dumping ground for everything
[03:36] <desrt> subway cookies!
[03:37] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:39] <Keybuk> Diziet: it's like tidying your room ... you never see the point of it until it's done and you think "ooh, carpet!"
[03:39] <desrt> carpet is nice, if you can find it
[03:40] <Robot101> there was some "/proc of crap" post to lkml ages ago :)
[03:40] <desrt> Keybuk; i gave you my fingerprint, right?
[03:40] <desrt> linux's abuse of /proc is a nice laughing point for *bsd
[03:41] <desrt> with their clean pristine /procs
[03:41] <jbailey> Keybuk: He's not sure.  Clearly it wasn't him.  Throw it away if you have it. ;)
[03:41] <Keybuk> desrt: yes, but you didn't give me a lap dance ;)
[03:42] <desrt> this much is true
[03:42] <desrt> daniel was handing out proxy lapdances on my behalf, though
[03:43] <jbailey> desrt: Like Kinnison, Daniels, or dholbach? =)
[03:43] <desrt> kinnison
[03:43] <desrt> y'all are a very huggy crowd.  i like that.
[03:44] <jdub> mpt: BrowserDefaults isn't specific enough
[03:45] <Keybuk> hugging rocks
[03:45] <wasabi> So does riding Elmo, or so I hear.
[03:45] <desrt> http://www.ashotoforangejuice.com/gmrisk.html <- risk
[03:45] <desrt> omg.
[03:45] <desrt> elmo as in "the wild elmo"?
[03:46] <jdub> elmo killed RideTheWildElmo on the wiki tho
[03:46] <Amaranth> desrt: stop reading slashdot :P
[03:46] <jdub> fascist
[03:46] <Amaranth> yeah, i saw that
[03:46] <desrt> Amaranth; i don't read slashdot
[03:46] <jamesh> jdub: you could revert the vandalism
[03:46] <desrt> Amaranth; but, seemingly, i have friends who do :)
[03:46] <Amaranth> desrt: Good, only one of us is allowed to waste time reading it. :P
[03:46] <jdub> jamesh: he locked it with an ACL
[03:46] <desrt> jdub; how was TO?
[03:47] <jdub> good
[03:47] <jdub> lots of people to meet
[03:47] <jamesh> jdub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RideTheWildElmo?action=recall&rev=1
[03:47] <desrt> excellent.  i'm sorry i couldn't have been there.
[03:47] <jdub> i just blogged about it
[03:47] <jamesh> the wonders of revision history
[03:47] <desrt> g'morn, james
[03:48] <jdub> oh, he didn't lock it, i was just not logged in
[03:49] <jsgotangco> hey jdub 
[03:51] <jdub> okay, you can now sign up to it
[03:51] <fabbione> jdub: hey dude
[03:51] <fabbione> jdub: can you please give me the mailing list?
[03:51] <jdub> yep
[03:51] <fabbione> thanks
[03:54] <mpt> jdub, not specific enough in general? or some points in particular?
[03:54] <jdub> mpt: it's very handwavey about the start page
[03:57] <mpt> hmmm'
[03:57] <pitti> Keybuk: can I kindly point you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports ? Maybe we can discuss this today? It's a bit hairy
[03:58] <mpt> trulux, ping
[04:00] <mpt> ajmitch_, ping
[04:01] <ajmitch_> mpt: pong
[04:03] <mpt> ajmitch_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux is marked as "needs fattening up" in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/selinux
[04:03] <ajmitch_> yes..
[04:03] <mpt> Is that something you can fix in the next few hours?
[04:03] <ajmitch_> not likely, I'm at a friend's place
[04:03] <mpt> ok
[04:05] <Keybuk> pitti: yeah, I'm going to look at my spec pile in a little bit
[04:05] <Keybuk> where I'm going to deliberately try and push "in a little bit" so it falls off the end of the conference, muahahaha <g>
[04:06] <pitti> *grrr*
[04:08] <mpt> pitti, ?
[04:08] <mpt> oh
[04:10] <mvo> pitti: changelog generation script is (hopefully) fixed, I'm re-runing it at the moment
[05:02] <pitti> mvo: thank zou!
[05:02] <pitti> mvo: you, even (still have problems with en_US keyboard)
[05:03] <Treenaks> pitti: Thank Zou sounds movie-german ;)
[05:15] <mvo> pitti: cheers, the script is at "m" now (in main). once that is done, I'll do universe :)
[05:17] <pitti> fabbione: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/davem/net-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=788e05a67c343fa22f2ae1d3ca264e7f15c25eaf
[05:18] <dilinger> pitti: yikes
[05:18] <fabbione> wowow
[05:19] <Amaranth> wow, i so don't understand wtf that means
[05:20] <Amaranth> oh, nm
[05:21] <Keybuk> #
[05:44] <Kinnison> Morning
[05:46] <pitti> Hi Kinnison 
[05:46] <fabbione> hey Kinni
[05:47] <jamesh> there is a new test import of bugzilla.ubuntu.com bugs at https://staging.ubuntu.com now if anyone wants to test
[05:48] <jamesh> (no resolved bugs for now)
[05:48] <seb128> elmo: libgsf sync please
[05:49] <pitti> Keybuk: are scripts in /etc/modules obsolete now?
[05:50] <pitti> erm
[05:50] <pitti> Keybuk: /etc/modutils even
[05:50] <pitti> Keybuk: linux-wlan-ng defines an alias, but it appears to me that it is not used anyway
[05:52] <seb128> jamesh: how (no resolved bugs for now)? Have you planned to import the closed ones too?
[05:53] <jamesh> seb128: I'm looking at doing that, yeah.
[05:53] <seb128> cool
[05:53] <jamesh> seb128: it's mostly working, but I need to do something with the duplicates table.
[05:54] <seb128> jamesh: playing with staging, seems to be alright
[05:57] <Keybuk> pitti: yes, have been for a very long time
[05:57] <Keybuk> modutils == 2.4
[05:57] <speedboy> maybe, artwork developer for Dapper should look at this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88477
[05:58] <pitti> Keybuk: k, thanks
[05:58] <dholbach> speedboy: i think we have #ubuntu-art or #ubuntu-artwork
[05:59] <dholbach> speedboy: #ubuntu-artwork
[05:59] <janimo> jamesh, can malone be told to also write to upstream? so we have a wrapper around external bugzillas, not read-only
[06:00] <speedboy> dholbach: thx for the info ;)
[06:00] <dholbach> speedboy: de rien
[06:00] <pef> elmo: hello, are you here ? I've a problem with uploads to universe archive
[06:02] <dilinger> seb128: does #19438 look like the sort of thing totem upstream (hadess still?) would be interested in?
[06:04] <seb128> dilinger: I don't know but anybody would be interested that's upstream
[06:04] <seb128> dilinger: I don't intend to fork from upstream for that, I'll just forward the bug
[06:05] <jamesh> janimo: we currently have the ability to pull bug status/severity info from remote bugzillas (and you can tell Launchpad to link a particular task to the remote bug)
[06:05] <jamesh> janimo: Launchpad won't write to remote bug trackers though
[06:06] <dilinger> seb128: ok, that's fine
[06:06] <janimo> hmmm would have been nice to use one account to talk to all bugzillas out  there :)
[06:06] <seb128> why do you have internal packages for 6 months?
[06:07] <dilinger> seb128: the original patch just hardcoded /tmp
[06:07] <dilinger> the generic patch i whipped up last night
[06:07] <dilinger> after getting annoyed at having to build totem again :)
[06:08] <seb128> what is the issue with using home?
[06:08] <seb128> nobody ever complained
[06:08] <dilinger> we use OpenAFS
[06:08] <dilinger> for our home directories, that is.  and openafs doesn't allow you to create sockets
[06:08] <dilinger> so, totem just gives up
[06:09] <dilinger> it refuses to start at all
[06:09] <jamesh> https://staging.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/17452 <- that's dlinger's bug
[06:11] <dilinger> jamesh: how do i edit my email address in launchpad?
[06:12] <jamesh> dilinger: go to your person page, click edit details in the menu on the right, then edit email addresses
[06:12] <dilinger> i tried that
[06:12] <dilinger> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[06:12] <dilinger> You are logged in as Andres Salomon.
[06:13] <Kamion> jbailey: are you going to be merging glibc, or is that somebody else's job now?
[06:14] <jamesh> dilinger: there seems to be two "Andres Salomon" accounts on staging
[06:14] <dilinger> jamesh: i assume because there are two email address; dilinger@voxel.net and dilinger@debian.org..
[06:14] <dilinger> as i used dilinger@voxel when i created my bugzilla account and dilinger@debian when i created my launchpad account
[06:15] <jamesh> dilinger: you'd need to merge the accounts (don't bother doing so on staging.ubuntu.com though -- just do it on launchpad.net)
[06:15] <dilinger> jamesh: ok
[06:15] <dilinger> i'll wait, then.  both addresses work for now anyways
[06:15] <highvoltage> i can't change mine either. in #launchpad they said it might take effect when the cron job runs again.
[06:15] <jamesh> dilinger: on launchpad.net, make sure your bugzilla email address is registered to your existing account and everything should work correctly when we do the real import.
[06:15] <jamesh> (you can have multiple email addresses registered)
[06:16] <dilinger> oh, ok
[06:27] <Diziet> Bizarre.  Breezy's firefox 1.0.7 has a patch which makes a clone of the typeaheadfind module, called typeaheadfindsea.
[06:27] <pitti> Diziet: 'sea' as in SeaMonkey?
[06:29] <Diziet> No, I think `sea' as in `search'.
[06:29] <Diziet> The code is identical.  Just the interface names, contract id, and the like are different.
[06:29] <Diziet> The .diff.gz has a complete copy of the .cpp which implements it.
[06:30] <Diziet> No trace of it in the changelog.  Oh well, I'll get rid of it.
[06:31] <Diziet> This whole thing definitely has an air of the bazarre about it.
[06:32] <lifeless> bazzar please
[06:33] <pitti> bazaar?
[06:33] <lifeless> YHBTHANDHTH
[06:35] <mpt> like an internal conjoined twin
[06:36] <dilinger> i'd like to buy a vowel?
[06:36] <lifeless> :)
[06:52] <Kamion> infinity: please clear installation-locale's dep-wait
[06:57] <dilinger> mm.  no hoary->breezy upgrade love.
[07:08] <infinity> Kamion : Done.
[07:11] <Keybuk> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/packages/bootchart_0.8-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[07:11] <infinity> Keybuk : \o/
[07:12] <Kamion> infinity: ta
[07:14] <slomo> infinity: please give-back mono-tools if that's the correct way to fix them ;) they build fine here in pbuilder and the old builderror seems to be temporary... but it's not in the archives and not on the dapper.all.i386 list
[07:24] <\sh> hehe...what I have to read on jdubs post? he will visit RH HQ in raleigh? he should ask if spot is still working there..this guy we could need for support issues :) and some coding stuff  
[07:24] <infinity> slomo : Done; no promises that it will build. :)
[07:25] <slomo> infinity: do you know what the problem was? ;)
[07:25] <infinity> slomo : No, didn't look at the log.  I will right now.
[07:26] <slomo> infinity: it didn't find some packages which are definitly there
[07:26] <infinity> slomo : Oh, that's an apt bug.  Yell at mvo.  That would have been retried eventually anyway.
[07:27] <mvo> elmo: please sync grep from debian (override ok)
[07:27] <mvo> apt bug?
[07:27] <pitti> mvo: have you looked at the subject of #debian-devel?
[07:27] <infinity> mvo : The "Oh no, the archive is wedged, I better delete all my lists!!" bug.
[07:28] <mvo> infinity: dam, yes
[07:28] <mvo> elmo: please don't sync grep!
[07:28] <mvo> pitti: *arg* thanks
[07:28] <pitti> mvo: from incoming should be fine
[07:29] <infinity> Yeah, I smacked the Debian maintainer around a bit for that grep/pcre upload.
[07:29] <infinity> Though, ironically, enabling pcre in grep does close one of my Ubuntu bugs.
[07:29] <mvo> elmo: please sync grep from *incoming* (and sorry for the noise :/)
[07:34] <infinity> Kamion : Do we still want busybox-cvs at all?
[07:35] <infinity> Kamion : If so, the priority should be dropped, so debootstrap doesn't try to install both.  If not, we need to get rid of it.
[07:37] <slomo> elmo: please sync gv, gtksourceview-sharp, gtksourceview-sharp2 from debian/unstable and avahi from debian/experimental... all ubuntu changes (if existing) can be dropped
[07:38] <Kamion> infinity: busybox-cvs | 20040623-1ubuntu22 | dapper/universe | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[07:41] <\sh> Keybuk: do u have somewhere a video of your hct talk?
[07:41] <Nafallo> if it was on debconf it should be on videos.debian.net or something like that, no? :-)
[08:04] <rob^^^> Whee 3 cheers for 1 less page in UbuntuExpress!
[08:05] <Surak> Hello folks
[08:05] <Surak> Seb128: there?
[08:06] <rob^^^> howdy SUrak
[08:21] <infinity> Kamion : Sure, but both the source and busybox-cvs-initramfs are in main. :)
[08:28] <anavim> how many devs here are working on the kernel?
[08:28] <Keybuk> eenie, meanie, miney, mo ... in which header should struct msghdr go?
[08:29] <anavim> is there room for one more?  :D
[08:31] <janimo> anavim #ubuntu-kernel
[08:33] <anavim> janimo, thx  :)
[08:49] <Amaranth> seb128: For MenusRevisited setting NoDisplay=true will hide the item in the menus but keep the 'Open With...' mime stuff.
[08:51] <slomo> infinity: please give-back banshee for ppc ;) that will be the last one for today :)
[09:02] <seb128> Surak: pong
[09:02] <Surak> Seb, can you help me with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316341
[09:02] <Surak> ?
[09:06] <Nafallo> Simira: please send me your signature :-)
[09:09] <Simira> Nafallo: didn't I?
[09:09] <Nafallo> Simira: nope :-)
[09:09] <Simira> Nafallo: remind me tomorrow, will you?
[09:10] <Nafallo> Simira: oki :-)
[09:10] <Simira> I'm pretending to work right no
[09:10] <Simira> now
[09:10] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:22] <seb128> Surak: hint: highlight is better to be read
[09:22] <seb128> elmo, Kamion: could you promote libgsf-1-113 (soname change) so goffice/gnumeric can build?
[09:23] <seb128> Surak: sure, do you want to build the debug package yourself?
[09:23] <Surak> Anything is ok to me. I just want to help fixing this bug. Rather ugly to put a dvd on ubuntu and totem automatically lock ;-)
[09:25] <Surak> I can build them. If they're already somewhere, it's fine too.
[09:26] <seb128> Surak: there is no, but I should probably do one
[09:26] <seb128> Surak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash to get one
[09:26] <seb128> Surak: feel free to ask anything if there is an issue
[09:26] <seb128> Surak: dapper has a 0.8.7 package, you may want to try it as well, maybe it fixes the issue
[09:27] <Surak> Seb128: thanks, I'll let you work now and do my homewor with debug package.
[09:27] <Surak> seb128: once the issue is discovered, is there any chance to fix it in breezy?
[09:27] <Kamion> seb128: done
[09:27] <seb128> Kamion: thanks
[09:27] <seb128> Surak: if upstream have an idea on it/a patch, sure
[09:28] <Surak> ok
[09:30] <spstarr_work> did bugzilla meltdown? :(
[09:31] <seb128> spstarr_work: works fine for me
[09:31] <highvoltage> bugzilla works fine for me
[09:31] <highvoltage> (referring to bugzilla.ubuntu.com)
[09:31] <spstarr_work> my bug has 'vanished'
[09:31] <highvoltage> bit slow though.
[09:32] <seb128> spstarr_work: number?
[09:32] <spstarr_work> looking for it
[09:33] <Simira> Nafallo: I'm checking prices for making stickers and aliminium marks now. Shipping to Sweden will probably work out fine.
[09:35] <Nafallo> Simira: yay! all I need is money then :-)
[09:36] <Nafallo> Simira: should I take that as Mithrandir didn't take a sticker for me at ubz? :-P
[09:36] <pitti> elmo: mozilla-locale-fr sync, please
[09:37] <Simira> Nafallo: he did. But I meant for the Swedish community in general. I do ship t-shirts to whole Europe, you know.
[09:37] <Surak> minghia: ping
[09:37] <Surak> minghua: ping (sorry, typo)
[09:38] <spstarr_work> cant find it...
[09:38] <spstarr_work> hrm...
[09:38] <spstarr_work> it was a qla driver bug issue
[09:38] <highvoltage> spstarr_work: what was it about?
[09:38] <highvoltage> ah
[09:38] <spstarr_work> there was/is no final solution
[09:39] <highvoltage> i can't find a message containing "qla" in the bugzilla e-mails either.
[09:39] <spstarr_work> there was an email history for it
[09:40] <Nafallo> Simira: ah, sure :-). just gimme an URL and I put it in topic so that the wiki-ppl can play with it :-).
[09:46] <spstarr_work> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugs/2005-August/074328.html
[09:46] <spstarr_work> NEEDINFO now
[09:47] <seb128> elmo: menu-xdg sync from Debian please
[09:47] <highvoltage> spstarr_work: i can see your bug fine at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8879
[09:47] <spstarr_work> yeah its there but searching 'qla' didnt find it
[09:47] <spstarr_work> oddly
[09:48] <spstarr_work> ok, now thats thats solved, time to get a newer eric3 merged into Ubuntu :-)
[09:48] <Simira> Nafallo: http://ubuntu.no/T-skjorte This is what we got for now
[09:48] <spstarr_work> kubuntu/ubuntu :)
[09:51] <Simira> Nafallo: Or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/t-shirt, if you're bad reading Norwegian ;)
[09:56] <seb128> elmo: libbonobo libbonoboui sync please
[09:58] <seb128> elmo: djvulibre sync too, thanks
[10:00] <spstarr_work> should we drop eric3 from Dapper? since there is eric and eric == eric3?
[10:00] <spstarr_work> eric3 is 3.4.1 and eric is 3.7.0 (I have it working with 3.8.0) 
[10:00] <dholbach> good night
[10:01] <Simira> g'night, dholbach
[10:01] <Surak> dholbach: night
[10:04] <spstarr_work> I should have a newer version of eric to add to ubuntu/kubuntu tonight for dapper unless the maintainer of the package is working on bumping to 3.8.0?
[10:05] <minghua> Surak: yes?
[10:11] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:12] <Mithrandir> elmo: please sync ttf-indic-fonts, ttf-freefont, overriding ubuntu changes is ok.
[10:12] <Mithrandir> Kamion: the Merge Of Doom? :-)
[10:12] <Kamion> uh-huh
[10:12] <Kamion> hideous
[10:12] <Nafallo> sounds fun, when do we start making cds? ;-)
[10:12] <Kamion> next week I hope
[10:13] <Mithrandir> I pondered hacking on it earlier, but saw the whole lot was assigned to you, so I merged other stuff.
[10:13] <Nafallo> baah, you've fixed all bugs till then probably :-P
[10:13] <Mithrandir> is it just me or is bugzilla _extremely_ slow when making updates today?
[10:13] <Kamion> Mithrandir: oh I meant the debian-installer source package proper. 313910 lines of upstream diff
[10:13] <Mithrandir> like, > 1 minute to comment on a bug.
[10:13] <Mithrandir> Kamion: oh joy.
[10:13] <Kamion> though most of that was removing the manual (I've yet to do *that* merge to installation-guide)
[10:14] <Nafallo> removing the manual?
[10:14] <Nafallo> why? :-)
[10:14] <Kamion> moved to a different source package
[10:14] <Nafallo> ah, oki :-)
[10:14] <Nafallo> makes sense
[10:14] <Mithrandir> we discovered nobody read manuals anyway, so no point in maintaining it.
[10:14] <Kamion> 42885 lines not counting the manual removal
[10:14] <Kamion> Mithrandir: thanks for doing iso-scan at least
[10:14] <Nafallo> so I'm nobody now I am? ;-)
[10:15] <Mithrandir> Kamion: it was up for grabs, so. :-)
[10:15] <Nafallo> s:I am:,am I:
[10:15] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: haha. ;-P
[10:17] <Nafallo> who else downloads dvds from ftps via nautilus? :-P
[10:18] <Kamion> Mithrandir: feel free to take choose-mirror, kbd-chooser, localechooser, elilo-installer at least
[10:18] <Kamion> Mithrandir: choose-mirror should get simpler in dapper with 1.16 though, so I was thinking of waiting for that
[10:19] <Kamion> localechooser is usually a fiddly merge due to the UTF-8 crap but should otherwise be straightforward-ish
[10:19] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I'm off to bed soon, but I could look at them tomorrow.  If you could add any relevant comments to the bugs, that'd be useful for me.
[10:20] <Mithrandir> elmo: please sync taglib, transfig from Unstable.  Overriding ubuntu changes ok.
[10:22] <mjg59> Why did I just get an email telling me that https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drscheme/+bug/4043 had had a state change?
[10:24] <Mithrandir> mjg59: because you're a member of the ubuntu core development team, which is a member of the motu merge team, hence you're effectively one of the subscribers for that bug.
[10:24] <mjg59> Nnnngh.
[10:24] <mjg59> Is there any way of not getting motu merge mails?
[10:25] <Mithrandir> make ubuntu core development team not member of motu merge team?
[10:25] <Mithrandir> we're down to 270 merge bugs.  That's not too bad.  IIRC, it was over 300 this morning.
[10:25] <mjg59> It would be nice to have fine-grained control over that sort of thing
[10:31] <Keybuk> "not getting" ?
[10:32] <slomo> BenC: what will you do with libraw1394? we currently have a really ancient version (0.10.1), newest is 1.2.0 which is already needed by some apps... can i update or will you kill me? ;)
[10:32] <mjg59> Keybuk: I'm not really involved in doing motu merges, so receiving emails about it doesn't seem necessary
[10:33] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: my apologies for any ACCEPT mails you may have received because of my failure to update debian/changelog files today.
[10:34] <Keybuk> I didn't realise people were filing merge mails in launchpad
[10:35] <Keybuk> I've specifically _not_ done that, because it also sends the mails to the Debian maintainers
[10:35] <mjg59> Keybuk: See https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drscheme/+bug/4043
[10:38] <Mithrandir> elmo: please sync libdb3 from unstable, overriding Ubuntu changes is ok.
[10:38] <Mithrandir> and then I'm off to bed.
[10:38] <mdke> ouch, bad luck jdub 
[10:38] <pitti> Mithrandir: can you please close the merge bug then?
[10:38] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: gnight :-)
[10:38] <pitti> Mithrandir: I just set it to pending
[10:39] <Mithrandir> pitti: I'm reassigning them to me, close them when I see the sync.
[10:39] <pitti> ok
[10:39] <Kamion> Mithrandir: no particular hurry, certainly
[10:39] <Mithrandir> pitti: but I agree "pending" is probably more correct.  PENDING doesn't have a nice "assign to me" checkbox, though.
[10:40] <TheMuso> .c
[10:40] <pitti> Mithrandir: you can still reassign to you
[10:40] <Mithrandir> pitti: in two operations, yes.  I'm a lazy bastard. :-)
[10:42] <sistpoty> Keybuk: why does filing merge bugs in malone spam dds? can this be avoided somehow?
[10:42] <siretart> Keybuk: why does filing bugs in malone spam debian developers?
[10:42] <Keybuk> because debian developers are registered against Ubuntu packages through the Maintainer field
[10:43] <\sh> argl
[10:43] <sistpoty> that's bad :(
[10:43] <siretart> Keybuk: since when is that? 
[10:43] <siretart> Keybuk: can't this be turned off?
[10:43] <\sh> there must be a difference on the product...cause the bugs are filed against affects /distros/ubuntu/gv and not other products
[10:44] <\sh> but indeed...this is a serious problem
[10:44] <Surak> seb128: ping
[10:44] <siretart> we need to organise some merge bugs. shall we setup our own rt for that?!
[10:44] <seb128> Surak: pong
[10:45] <Surak> seb128: /tmp/ccH6BmIh.s: Assembler messages:
[10:45] <Surak> seb128: /tmp/ccH6BmIh.s:1996: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `pshufw'
[10:45] <Surak> seb128: make[9] : ** [libmmxsse_la-fdct_mmx.lo]  Erro 1
[10:45] <Surak> seb128: this is for gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[10:45] <seb128> urg
[10:45] <Keybuk> siretart: always
[10:45] <sistpoty> siretart: maybe s.o. in launchpad knows a workaround... I'm asking
[10:45] <slomo> Surak: that's maybe my fault... what are you doing?
[10:46] <tseng_> that is pretty broken behaviour.. if i build gtk# against a different version of gtkhtml that cause a bug not in Debian
[10:46] <pitti> WOO! number of merge bugs just dropped below 300
[10:46] <tseng_> why should they get an email
[10:46] <seb128> Surak: I'll build a debug package tomorrow
[10:46] <\sh> Keybuk: that means, that anyone who is filing bugs against a package in ubuntu, will bug the debian maintainer as well, which is terrible wrong im my eyes
[10:46] <TerminX> anyone have any idea why upgrading mplayer (from multiverse) screws the permissions on a bunch of stuff in /dev every time?
[10:46] <Surak> slomo: building debug packages for gstreamer and gstramer-ffmpeg
[10:47] <Surak> to help fixing issues with dvds in breezy.
[10:47] <slomo> Surak: can you try something for me? remove the -DRUNTIME_CPUDETECT for configure in debian/rules and try to build the debug package then
[10:47] <Surak> ok
[10:47] <slomo> Surak: remove the whole lines around that... the complete ifeq, else, endif block
[10:47] <Keybuk> \sh: not to mention bug the technical board ... cf. mjg59's irateness
[10:47] <Surak> ok
[10:48] <slomo> TerminX: please file a bug in malone and assign it to me (slomo)... i'll work on that then
[10:49] <\sh> Keybuk: I have this strange feeling that this is not easily to change? or was it purpose?
[10:51] <Keybuk> \sh: no eye deer
[10:55] <Surak> slomo: there's nothing on debian/rules about it. The only occurrences of RUNTIME_CPUDETECT are at gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg/libavcodec/libpostproc/postprocess.c
[10:55] <Surak> slomo: removing them does not make the error disappear.
[10:56] <slomo> Surak: what version?
[10:56] <slomo> Surak: of gst-ffmpeg? breezy or dapper one?
[10:56] <Surak> gst-ffmpeg-0.8.6
[10:56] <Surak> breezy
[10:56] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[10:56] <slomo> ok, simply ignore me... sorry
[10:56] <slomo> i was talking about dapper
[10:56] <Simira> morning jdub
[10:56] <slomo> hi jdub :) be happy, there's a working gnome-user-share now in dapper ;)
[10:56] <Surak> hello jdub
[10:56] <Nafallo> jdub: ! :-)
[10:57] <Surak> slomo: the problematic line is  cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../libavcodec -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H=1 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -Wno-switch -msse -g -Wall -O0 -MT libmmxsse_la-fdct_mmx.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libmmxsse_la-fdct_mmx.Tpo -c fdct_mmx.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libmmxsse_la-fdct_mmx.o
[10:59] <Surak> seb128: it's ok, I can bother you tomorrow then about those packages. Anyway, am I correct in supposing that this should not happen?
[10:59] <seb128> it should work
[10:59] <seb128> hey hey jdub
[11:00] <crimsun> jdub: ready for pizza?
[11:00] <Surak> seb128: there's not much things I could do wrong til here. Two or three lines :-)
[11:00] <slomo> seb128: maybe it isn't compiled with mmx, sse, whatever support on the buildds but on this guys machine? what gets compiled in is detected while configure with the breezy package
[11:02] <seb128> maybe 
[11:02] <Surak> slomo: but on my machine? how?
[11:03] <slomo> Surak: what kind machine do you have?
[11:03] <Surak> plain p4
[11:04] <slomo> Surak: so mmx, sse, see2... what is in the x86 buildds?
[11:04] <Surak> slomo: how can I verify that?
[11:04] <slomo> Surak: no idea...
[11:04] <slomo> infinity: what cpu is in the x86 buildds?
[11:05] <Nafallo> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags
[11:06] <Surak> slomo: flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
[11:06] <slomo> Surak: ok, fine... now we need infos for the buildds :P
[11:07] <Amaranth> i think infinity or elmo would be the ones to talk to for that, if you really need it
[11:07] <slomo> Amaranth: yes, i already pinged infinity... but he seems to be away :/
[11:07] <jdub> crimsun: got my red hat shirt on :)
[11:08] <Surak> slomo: time to go home. May I ask your help on this tomorrow?
[11:08] <Kamion> hmm, I guess seb128's done for the day
[11:09] <slomo> Surak: sure
[11:09] <Surak> thanks. good night
[11:15] <mdz> jdub: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/low-power.png
[11:15] <Keybuk> mdz: heh, my laptop currently thinks it's fully charged at 0%
[11:16] <neuralis> Keybuk, did it just change to 0% suddenly?
[11:16] <jdub> mdz: rad
[11:16] <Keybuk> neuralis: well, after a boot
[11:18] <neuralis> Keybuk, ah. i had the machine think it has 0% battery left all of the sudden both on your laptop model, and on the nc4200.
[11:19] <Keybuk> syndicate scott% cat /proc/acpi/battery/C13A/state
[11:20] <Keybuk> present:                 yes
[11:20] <Keybuk> capacity state:          ok
[11:20] <Keybuk> charging state:          charged
[11:20] <Keybuk> present rate:            0 mA
[11:20] <Keybuk> remaining capacity:      2856 mAh
[11:20] <Keybuk> present voltage:         12492 mV
[11:20] <Keybuk> -- 
[11:20] <Keybuk> is hal bug :)
[11:21] <mjg59> Keybuk: Try running that 10 times or so
[11:22] <Nafallo> Keybuk: just so I don't forget. loved your HCT-talk on debconf :-). made me both laugh a lot and actually understand why all of those branches \sh wants makes sense :-).
[11:23] <\sh> Nafallo: I never said it was my idea...it was siretart 
[11:24] <Nafallo> \sh: baah. he didn't have _nothing_ to do with gajim ;-)
[11:26] <\sh> Nafallo: but he tought me the new way of working...
[11:26] <Nafallo> hmm oki
[11:27] <Kamion> SO CLOSE to installable ubuntu-{desktop,live}
[11:27] <Nafallo> anyway. now I understand why. and that's Keybuks... ehm, fault ;-)
[11:27] <Kamion> I think we'll get it in a couple of cron.daily cycles
[11:28] <Nafallo> so next week is in a couple of hours then :-)
[11:28] <Nafallo> nice
[11:29] <Keybuk> mjg59: no change
[11:29] <Keybuk> watch -n 0.1 ... doesn't show any change
[11:30] <mjg59> Keybuk: Ok
[11:31] <Keybuk> sivang: could you _please_ fix your mailer's reply-to functionality
[11:31] <Kamion> Nafallo: well, we're all about to travel home from UBZ and I won't be working again until Monday, so maybe not
[11:31] <Kamion> but we'll see
[11:32] <Nafallo> ah, still there :-)
[11:32] <slomo> elmo: please sync seahorse from debian
[11:36] <Nafallo> gnight dudes :-)
[11:36] <Kinnison> night Nafallo 
[11:42] <sivang> Keybuk: oh, sorry. what does it do?
[11:43] <Keybuk> sivang: you keep trying to send mails to ubuntu-devel-announce
[11:43] <sivang> Keybuk: hmm, weird. I never tried to send an email there, I just subscribed to receive
[11:44] <jbailey> sivang: Make sure your client honours the reply-to. =)
[11:47] <sivang> jbailey: how do I make sure of that?
[11:47] <Keybuk> read the headers before you hit Send
[11:48] <sivang> Keybuk: ah ok, probably there was something sent to -anounce and I replied to it, sorry
[11:55] <mvo> elmo: please sync libgksuui1.0 from debian/unstable (override ok)
[11:55] <slomo> elmo: please sync cowbell from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped as always ;)
[11:59] <Keybuk> \o/  I have all of udev compiling against klibc now
[12:01] <mvo> elmo: please merge memprof from debian/unstable (override ok)