[12:07] <tiris_> I guess the problem I run into is...there is a lot of documentation for really new people i.e. here is how to look into the file system and how to change your password but...and there are lots of documents for the people who have been using this stuff for years...but I can't find things that are intermediate.
[12:08] <tiris_> @#$& James that only works for the programs offered in the ubuntu universe.
[12:08] <tiris_> I think I hit him too hard.
[12:08] <tiris_> *sigh*
[03:13] <mhz> hi
[03:16] <zakame> hey mhz 
[03:16] <mhz> zakame: how's it going?
[03:17] <zakame> mhz: helping out -motu with mom :)
[03:17] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[03:17] <arkan0x> mhz, ping 
[03:17] <mhz> zakame: whatttt???
[03:18] <mhz> pong
[03:19] <zakame> mhz: merging/syncing debian back into ubuntu :)
[03:19] <mhz> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:19] <mhz> zakame: and 'mom'?
[03:19] <mhz> your mother?
[03:22] <\sh> Merge O Matic
[03:22] <\sh> Keybuks Invention :)
[03:22] <mhz> ahhhhhhhhh
[03:22] <mhz> rlz
[03:22] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/ubz/20051031/P1000097.JPG.html <- this is MoM
[04:22] <mhz> re
[04:23] <mhz> hmmm, the fonts I see to control applications such us Firefox are too big. 
[04:23] <mhz> texts are ok, but buttons are too big
[04:46] <dabaR> hey, what package source are the sources of gnu utils, like cp? coreutils?
[04:46] <dabaR> *are they in...
[05:16] <mhz> dabaR: hmmm, no idea
[05:20] <dabaR> no eh...
[05:20] <dabaR> ok.
[05:21] <dabaR> I was wondering, cause I am reading some text, so I wanted to see the sources, how available they are;)
[06:03] <mhz> hehehehe
[06:04] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:04] <mhz> highvoltage: I have uploaded my hackergotchi you requested this morning (https://launchpad.net/people/mhz)
[06:04] <mhz> jsgotangco: how's it going?
[06:04] <mhz> millions of users satisfied?
[06:05] <jsgotangco> pretty good
[06:05] <jsgotangco> whats the use of the hackergotchi?
[06:06] <mhz> don't know.
[06:06] <jsgotangco> ok i'm going to reboot this machine frist
[06:07] <jsgotangco> brb
[06:07] <mhz> ok
[06:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19971221&mode=classic
[06:18] <mhz> LOL!!!
[06:19] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:19] <jsgotangco> deja vu
[06:20] <mhz> hahaha, 'deja vu'
[06:20] <mhz> incredibly true
[06:21] <jsgotangco> reminded me of my first job
[06:22] <mhz> wow! customer service, too?
[06:23] <mhz> this was my 'deja vu' : http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020720&mode=classic
[06:30] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[06:33] <jsgotangco> mhz, how's the planning for the Edubuntour?
[06:34] <mhz> good and bad
[06:34] <jsgotangco> tell me about the bad first
[06:34] <mhz> good= there's a small biz who is willing to help us and is very well related to teachers all over chile (over 6000 teachers DB)
[06:35] <mhz> heheh
[06:35] <mhz> sorry
[06:35] <mhz> good= about 25 teachers have seen edubuntu in action, and they've loved it
[06:36] <mhz> good= over 40 students have seen it, and they loved it
[06:36] <mhz> bad= Chilean gov. have have signed contracts with MS for schools
[06:37] <mhz> bad= Chilean Gov. did not know about edubuntu and started helping Edulinux
[06:38] <mhz> neutral= no funds yet to rent a place and demo to lots of people at once (this is cheaper than traveling among schools)
[06:38] <jsgotangco> Edulinux?
[06:38] <mhz> yup
[06:38] <mhz> RMP based distro
[06:39] <mhz> very good= my enthusiasm has not lowered
[06:41] <mhz> very good=  we'll kick some butts here
[06:41] <mhz> 'coz Gov. has no idea how to implement linux on schools
[06:42] <mhz> they have provided some PCs to schools but no training has been effective yet
[06:42] <mhz> About EduLinux
[06:42] <mhz> Based on Mandrake Linux 9.1, EduLinux is a specialized distribution for education and office use. It is aimed at the general public as well as educational and community environments. It was developed and compiled at the Universit de Sherbrooke's Faculty of Engineering and is intended to be easy to use and perfectly adapted to Quebec's linguistic environment.
[06:52] <mhz> what pisses me off is that in Chile, many claim they have 'developed it'. That is not true, AFAIK.
[07:02] <mhz> well, I'm off to bed
[08:49] <Burgundavia> bon soir magnon 
[08:49] <magnon> bonjour :)
[08:50] <magnon> working at my old junior high today
[08:50] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:50] <Burgundavia> I realized this week that my company is not a Free Software company in their bones
[08:50] <magnon> edubuntu :)
[08:50] <Burgundavia> they just don't get it
[08:51] <Burgundavia> magnon, you got any code in upstream gnome or fedora?
[08:52] <magnon> very little in gnome, but why so?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> just wondering
[08:52] <magnon> not in fedora
[08:54] <magnon> barely ever used it even
[10:56] <highvoltage> ping
[02:37] <juliux> hi ogra 
[02:37] <ogra> hi
[02:38] <juliux> ogra, on which day you will be in essen?
[02:39] <ogra> dunno, for when are we scheduled ? 
[02:40] <juliux> the workshop will be at saturday
[02:40] <ogra> then i'll be there at saturday
[02:40] <juliux> when your talk is i don't know but i can ask
[02:41] <ogra> i wouldnt like to stay over night if any possible ...
[02:41] <juliux> ok
[02:41] <juliux> i have write something about the workshop here http://www.poweroftwo.de/wiki/index.php/Edubuntu
[02:42] <juliux> is that so ok for you?
[02:55] <mhz> hip allp
[02:55] <mhz> ogra: hi.
[02:56] <ogra> hey mhz
[02:56] <mhz> ogra: how are you?
[02:56] <ogra> better now... had to fight my jetlag the last two days
[02:56] <mhz> sorry to hear that :)
[02:56] <ogra> heh, expected :)
[02:57] <mhz> do you feel home already?
[02:57] <ogra> sure
[02:57] <ogra> after three days its normally fine again...
[02:58] <ogra> i catched a cold though...
[02:58] <mhz> ogra: I will have to analyze the chance to make some edubuntu CDs customized for a couple of universities carriers, and include at least one light desktop and a heavy one + plus some additional apps.
[02:59] <mhz> carreers
[02:59] <mhz> I found a HowTo for Ubuntu
[02:59] <ogra> http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=70&osCsid=89fa40ea096d2439e1cbbc9dfafc3b3e
[02:59] <ogra> 1,49 
[03:00] <ogra> plus shipping costs
[03:00] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about the workshop?
[03:00] <mhz> you germans have lots of stuff!
[03:00] <mhz> :D
[03:01] <ogra> if you ask the guy, he'll probably make DVDs available for 2-3
[03:01] <mhz> workshop?
[03:02] <ogra> juliux, a bit rough outlined ... did you take in account that a edubuntu server install takes between 1 and 1,5h ? and 95% of the time you will stare at progressbars ...
[03:02] <ogra> there is not much to do during install....
[03:02] <juliux> ogra, in this time i want to talk with the people
[03:03] <ogra> and post install you'll have t edit two files
[03:03] <juliux> ogra, and what is with a http proxy?, nfs server?, print server??
[03:03] <ogra> thats simply all... but sure, if you want to talk, thats fine
[03:03] <mhz> my point is that for Chilean and porbably LA educational-tech reality, many people/schools have 1997-8 pcs
[03:03] <ogra> we dont ship any yet... 
[03:04] <ogra> you dont have to touch the nfs server, it gets set up automatically...
[03:04] <juliux> ogra, sure?
[03:04] <mhz> ogra: so, poviding customzed edubuntu cd's has been asked many times in my so-far 2x meetings
[03:04] <ogra> sure
[03:05] <juliux> ogra, i didn't want to make a talk about edubuntu i want show them how they can fix there problems, where they find information and doku in the internet
[03:05] <mhz> ogra: GNOME simply may not be a standard option for us, yet
[03:05] <juliux> ogra, this should be a interactive workshop
[03:05] <mhz> juliux: and what do you think about EdubuntuCdAndSlip?
[03:05] <ogra> mhz, no problem... with a bit of free time and diskspace... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[03:06] <ogra> juliux, what interactive stuff do you want to do if the machines are installing all the time ? 
[03:06] <juliux> ogra, i will have more than one machine there
[03:07] <mhz> i know. So far, if I do server install, then apt-get edubuntu-server, will this only install LTSP? (so I can ommit Gnome?)
[03:07] <juliux> mhz, i find it not very professional
[03:07] <juliux> mhz, i have tinker on it looks not very good
[03:07] <mhz> juliux: what would you need to make it more professional? suggestions?
[03:07] <ogra> mhz, should work... you'll need to edit a bit more
[03:08] <juliux> mhz, my idea is that you have a cd cover for slim case
[03:08] <ogra> juliux, thats the official CD sleeve we want to use, whats wrong with it ?
[03:08] <juliux> ogra, you didn't can close it
[03:08] <ogra> ??
[03:08] <mhz> ?
[03:10] <juliux> h have i understand there something wrong?
[03:10] <juliux> there was some thing in the wiki
[03:11] <juliux> i will search the link
[03:12] <juliux> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[03:12] <juliux> this the second one i printet out 
[03:12] <ogra> thats what were talking about
[03:12] <mhz> juliux: JaneW asked me to desing a very simple CD slip (or case) and a cover. Did you see last week update on it? http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[03:12] <ogra> mhz, why did you drop the other CD label ? i liked it more
[03:13] <mhz> which?
[03:13] <ogra> there were two before the update
[03:13] <mhz> the one with the white world on red background?
[03:13] <ogra> the one with the circle of children
[03:13] <juliux> mhz, i have printed it here out and bond it
[03:13] <mhz> ogra: oh, nope. I can upload it as well (.svg?)
[03:14] <mhz> juliux: ok, what do you think of it?
[03:14] <ogra> yes, that would be nice :)
[03:14] <mhz> ogra: this last version is based on the few voting we had
[03:15] <ogra> oh, did we vote against the other label ? 
[03:15] <juliux> mhz, it is to simple if you but it into your bag the cd will not be into the case
[03:15] <juliux> shit my english is to bad
[03:16] <mhz> juliux: why won't the cd stay into the case?
[03:16] <ogra> if you use the right cardboard, it will stay in the sleeve
[03:16] <juliux> mhz, because it is open, or is this for a cd case? i only put the cd into the paper
[03:17] <ogra> it was planned to be printed professionally on good carton
[03:17] <mhz> juliux: we used the same model of warty AMD and PPC models
[03:17] <mhz> it was open on one side
[03:17] <mhz> so yes, it may drop
[03:17] <juliux> mhz, yes and in my bag it drop out if i go with it to university
[03:17] <mhz> yes
[03:17] <mhz> I have same problem
[03:17] <mhz> :)
[03:18] <mhz> but again, they said "cd slip, just like the one we used before"
[03:20] <juliux> mhz, i think i would be better if there is a cd cover for a slim case, so you can use very cheap slimcace blank cd 
[03:20] <ogra> if we ever ship it, we wont do that in a plasic case
[03:20] <mhz> juliux: besides the fact that cd will drop, what do you think about the colors, images, layout, etc?
[03:21] <juliux> mhz, that is ok
[03:21] <mhz> plastic is not environment friendly :)
[03:21] <juliux> mhz, but it would be nice if there is also a black/white version
[03:21] <mhz> juliux, the good thing then, if you like the stuff on it, you get the SVG and can copy/paste onto a cover for any purpose :)
[03:22] <juliux> mhz, because then you can print it yourselfe on your home laserprinter
[03:22] <mhz> good point
[03:22] <juliux> mhz, we did it so the last years with gnome live cds in germany
[03:23] <mhz> that's why the CD cover (the adhesive round stuff, for our understanding, not the cardboard) is Red and White so you can easily play with the colors
[03:23] <ogra> *shudder* 
[03:23] <ogra> why not take a color laserprinter ? 
[03:24] <ogra> if you dont have one, go to a copyshop
[03:24] <juliux> ogra, becaue the moste people have a no color laserprinter
[03:24] <mhz> juliux: hence, the edubuntu logo and words are all white
[03:24] <ogra> having B/W covers looks unprofessionally cheap
[03:24] <mhz> and the background is only plain red
[03:24] <juliux> ogra, it is very expensive if you make a color copy at the copyshop
[03:24] <mhz> this way everybosy can play with colors of their choice
[03:24] <juliux> ogra, one din a 4 site cost 70cent
[03:24] <ogra> how much ? 50ct ? 
[03:25] <ogra> oh, so only 35ct for one then...
[03:25] <juliux> ogra, and on one din a site are only on!!!! cd cover
[03:25] <juliux> ogra, if you use silmcases 2
[03:26] <juliux> ogra, if you have time please check http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu
[03:27] <ogra> anyway, this design was thought for sipped CDs where we wanted to have it printed professionally... its easy to switch to b/w with gimp and its a SVG so youcan rip the elements apart as you like
[03:28] <juliux> but this is also work, and i didn't will do this if i only want to print out some cd's covers
[03:28] <juliux> for a fair
[03:28] <ogra> so just print them as is...
[03:29] <ogra> if you dont want to take the two clicks in gimp to make it a grayscaled image, just print the color version with a b/w printer... i doubt you'll see much difference
[03:30] <juliux> yes it isn't very much work but if you do that for edubuntu,ubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu it is a lof of time
[03:31] <juliux> and it is double burden
[03:31] <juliux> there will be more than on who want to have a b/w version
[03:32] <ogra> if you think so...
[03:32] <juliux> yes i think so
[03:32] <juliux> so i have to go to my salsa session
[03:32] <juliux> cu 
[03:32] <ogra> ciao
[03:38] <mhz> highvoltage: hi
[03:52] <mhz> ogra: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip has been updated with your request
[03:59] <mhz> i know. So far, if I do server install, then apt-get edubuntu-server, will this only install LTSP? (so I can ommit Gnome?)
[04:00] <mhz> ogra: you responded that 'yes'. But this mean LTSP will be ok?
[04:00] <mhz> (i can add applications, np)
[04:01] <highvoltage> mhz: i think edubuntu-server also installs stuff like schooltool, etc.
[04:02] <highvoltage> i think what you're looking for is ltsp-server-standalone
[04:02] <highvoltage> after installing that, you need to run ltsp-build-client as sudo/root.
[04:13] <\sh> ogra: ping
[04:13] <mhz> highvoltage: i am loking for NOT to install GNOME, only. I mean, I need to use anything on edubuntu  + some applications, BUT gnome
[04:14] <ogra> \sh, morning
[04:14] <ogra> \sh, did you just call ?
[04:15] <\sh> ogra: which is the truth :) I just got up _again_.
[04:15] <ogra> (i was to slow)
[04:15] <\sh> ogra: yes..
[04:15] <ogra> calling back
[04:15] <\sh> forget it
[04:15] <\sh> i'll shower and bring a black barcadi with
[04:16] <ogra> coke is already here ;)
[04:17] <\sh> i found the one yesterday during shopping at hit..they had it for 10 eur on special
[04:26] <magnon> mhz: what kind of desktop DO you want?
[04:32] <mhz> magnon: i'll have to take care of my daughter's lunch now..
[04:32] <mhz> magnon: however, I am planing to have Fluxbox, WindowMaker or IceWM + KDE
[04:33] <mhz> plus edubuntu base applications and some specific apps. depending on each carreer
[04:33] <mhz> + plus some study guides
[04:34] <magnon> install ubuntu-minimal, edubuntu-server
[04:34] <magnon> then if you can live with xfce, xubuntu-live
[04:34] <mhz> so, we'll endup having Edubuntu Server/Desktop LiveCD/ready to be installed
[04:34] <mhz> xfce is also a good alternative
[04:34] <ogra> xubuntu-desktop rather ;)
[04:35] <\sh> it's not even in main see -devel
[04:35] <mhz> so far, I am trying to get some performance stats considering current standard 1997-8 PCs (which many schools and students have)
[04:35] <mhz> once we have that, then we'll have to define at least 2 WM's
[04:35] <mhz> (DVD is not an oprion for us BTW)
[04:36] <mhz> option
[04:54] <highvoltage> wow. a spectacular storm just broke loose here. thunder, lightning, huge raindrops, the works.
[04:54] <highvoltage> very nice.
[04:54] <highvoltage> escpecially since it's so hot.
[06:08] <lmj> ..
[06:09] <lmj> hi there
[06:16] <highvoltage> hi
[06:22] <lmj> you still there
[06:24] <lmj> i'm from finland and was wondering about hardware requirements for clients...
[07:42] <lmj> g
[08:32] <juliux> ogra, pls query me if you have time
[08:36] <highvoltage> ogra: is diskless fat clients still planned for dapper? i can't remember finding any specs on it.
[08:46] <ogra> highvoltage, nothing beyond the specs on launchpad is planned for inclusion (teachertool probably=
[08:53] <bluefrog-10> ogra sry to bother, is it possible to attach a file on wiki?
[08:56] <dnB> is there a way to upgrade from ubuntu 5.10 to edubuntu 5.10?
[08:56] <dnB> :P
[08:57] <bluefrog-10> apt-get install edubuntu-server I believe
[08:57] <dnB> thanks :)
[08:57] <dnB> my edubuntu install disc is givin me poo, so ill do it that way
[09:08] <ogra> bluefrog-10, sure, look in the actions menu
[09:08] <ogra> (the pulldown)
[09:08] <bluefrog-10> ok ty
[09:09] <bluefrog-10> have made a bash script with menus to install/configure apt-proxy, samba-ldap, have to finish menu to manage samba-ldap user...
[09:10] <bluefrog-10> it's not aimed obviously to IT linux people but to people who want to set up an authentication server without hassle
[09:10] <bluefrog-10> and manage it afterwards (as in add remove people
[09:10] <highvoltage> \sh_away: ping ping ping
[09:12] <ogra> highvoltage, he'll be here soo, just unpacked his laptop
[09:12] <ogra> *soon
[09:13] <highvoltage> ogra: you guys live close to each other?
[09:13] <ogra> 80km
[09:13] <highvoltage> nice.
[09:14] <\sh> re
[09:14] <\sh> highvoltage: ogra told me you pinged me?
[09:15] <highvoltage> so i have.
[09:15] <highvoltage> i downloaded the motu-tools,
[09:16] <highvoltage> hold on, sorry, i found tfm
[09:27] <Lord_Athur> hi
[09:28] <Lord_Athur> could anyone tell me what does wizzy mean?
[09:28] <Lord_Athur> does this corresponds to an animal?
[09:28] <Lord_Athur> or is a trademark
[09:29] <ogra> wizzy ??
[09:29] <Lord_Athur> yes someone told me something using this word
[09:29] <Lord_Athur> :)
[09:29] <Lord_Athur> but I don't understand
[09:29] <ogra> me neither :)
[09:30] <Lord_Athur> :P
[09:30] <Lord_Athur> well...
[09:31] <Lord_Athur> I've changed my repositories from hoary to brizzy (or sth ) for install edubuntu
[09:31] <Lord_Athur> but I could not
[09:32] <Lord_Athur> after upgrade the system
[09:32] <Lord_Athur> the graphic envioment did not run
[09:33] <Lord_Athur> ogra, do you know anything about?
[09:35] <ogra> try loggong in on the console and run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:35] <Lord_Athur> ok
[09:36] <Lord_Athur> I'll do this in my other PC
[09:36] <Lord_Athur> I see you later
[09:36] <dnB> hi, im trying to do a netboot of edubuntu, however when i apt-get install tftpd-hpa apache2 dhcp3-server
[09:36] <dnB> , dhcp fails to start
[09:38] <ogra> why do you install these manually ? they are in the default install ...
[09:38] <dnB> im using a tutorial :) never tried to netboot before
[09:38] <dnB> my cdrom on the other desktop i am trying to install edubuntu to is having issues, so im attempting to netboot it from my ubuntu machine, any ideas?
[09:39] <ogra> which tutorial
[09:39] <ogra> `
[09:39] <ogra> ?
[09:39] <dnB> http://gridpt1.fe.up.pt/mlopes/blog/index.php/ubuntu-network-install/
[09:40] <ogra> note that edubuntus ltsp is a completely new implementation
[09:40] <dnB> im installing it workstation
[09:40] <ogra> ah, ok
[09:40] <dnB> i have an ubuntu machine with an edubuntu .iso
[09:40] <dnB> :)
[09:40] <dnB> trying to get it on my other machine with broken cdrom
[09:40] <ogra> phew
[09:40] <dnB> lol
[09:41] <ogra> there is aq official installer manual...
[09:41] <dnB> aq?
[09:41] <ogra> dunno, have to dig for it
[09:41] <dnB> i dont get what aq is :)
[09:42] <ogra> an
[09:42] <dnB> oh
[09:42] <ogra> typo :)
[09:42] <dnB> ah ok
[09:42] <dnB> i felt lost
[09:42] <dnB> :P
[11:18] <dnB> HiveDrone, im attempting to netboot install edubuntu, is there already an edubuntu pxelinux.0 or do i need to use the one for ubuntu 5.10 and then apt-get edubuntu?
[11:18] <dnB> sorry, autocomplete
[11:18] <dnB> damned xchat :)