[12:05] <Flying_Eagle> hmmm... well, ill tidy up my room and my mind
[12:22] <toko1213> greetings
[12:23] <toko1213> please turn me onto the univiiverse repository for US thanks
[12:23] <toko1213> adapt shows none listed
[12:24] <Riddell> !sources
[12:24] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:25] <matteo> anyone can help? i need to list all the hard disks plugged to my computer, can't find a suitable command
[12:32] <toko1213> thnaks but where is the file in /etc to add the sources ?
[12:32] <LjL> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:32] <toko1213> thanks
[12:49] <kakalto> hey
[12:49] <kakalto> is anyone else having troubles downloading the kubuntu install cd torrent?
[12:51] <kakalto> is anyone actually alive in this channel?
[12:51] <gerardocb> I'm not
[12:52] <kakalto> >.<
[12:52] <kakalto> mine stopped at 98.71%, and won't go furthre
[12:52] <gerardocb> Download the ISO...
[12:53] <kakalto> my connection is limited.... I would prefer to find out why it's doing that, than just accept "it doesn't work", and go waste more of my download month
[12:54] <gerardocb> May be you'll waste another month trying to find out what happened, rather than downloading the ISO...
[12:55] <gerardocb> but...
[12:55] <kakalto> surely it's a program problem or something, I wouldn't think that there would be no seeds
[12:56] <kakalto> I have an idea...
[01:09] <toko1213> thanks got the repository adapt working
[01:09] <toko1213> now have access to 17000+ packages
[01:14] <KaoticEvil> where the heck does image magick install itself?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: use the find?
[01:15] <Hobbsee>  /usr/bin seems to be where a lot of programs go
[01:15] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee:  checked there .)
[01:15] <KaoticEvil> first place i checked
[01:15] <Hobbsee> used the find function, for the program name?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:16] <KaoticEvil> working on that now..
[01:16] <Hobbsee> set it to search across /
[01:16] <Hobbsee> not just in your home folders
[01:17] <KaoticEvil> apt-get says its installed... 
[01:17] <kakalto> I'm hungry :(
[01:17] <kakalto> I can't eat for another 10-15 mins
[01:17] <KaoticEvil> its not in my K menu... 
[01:17] <Hobbsee> doesnt mean it's not there though
[01:17] <Hobbsee> did the find function find it?
[01:17] <KaoticEvil> nope
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hmmm...that's odd
[01:18] <KaoticEvil> yeah, thats what i said...
[01:19] <kakalto> Just out of curiousity, generally, is there any major annoyances of kubuntu?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> ah..i see...
[01:19] <toko1213> is there a way to get standard root on kubuntu instead of all this sudo stuff?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i was assuming it was a .deb or something, which will usually put itself in teh menus
[01:19] <KaoticEvil> !root
[01:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:19] <Hobbsee> !tell toko1213 about root
[01:19] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:19] <KaoticEvil> heh ;)
[01:19] <Hobbsee> quick KaoticEvil :P
[01:20] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( thats not what she said.... )
[01:20] <toko1213> linux user for 6 years
[01:20] <toko1213> red-hat 6
[01:20] <Hobbsee> if you search for "ImageMagick" - does it find it?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> yeah, there's root access if you want it
[01:20] <Hobbsee> that page tells you how to get it, and why it's a bad idea
[01:21] <toko1213> it's just one more thing to learn which seems unnecessary
[01:21] <toko1213> and I'm not talking about sudo -s
[01:21] <Hobbsee> sudo?  it's only four letters
[01:22] <toko1213> I think i understand the concept but what is the root passwd {default}
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee:  theres a few files in /usr/share... 
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> toko1213:  your first user password
[01:22] <Hobbsee> toko1213: you set it, go read that page
[01:22] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: nah, that's the sudo one
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> oh, yeah.. heh
[01:23] <KaoticEvil> i dont think its really installed.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> is there some sort of executable in /usr/share?
[01:23] <toko1213> $su passwd same as sudo -s no 
[01:23] <Hobbsee> and can you run it from the konsole?
[01:23] <toko1213> authentication error?
[01:23] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee:  no, there isnt
[01:24] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[01:24] <Hobbsee> and can you run it from the konsole?
[01:24] <KaoticEvil> no, theres no executable :P
[01:24] <toko1213> $su passwd same as sudo -s? answer  no 
[01:24] <KaoticEvil> toko1213:  sudo -s
[01:24] <KaoticEvil> then passwd
[01:24] <toko1213> I know that
[01:25] <Hobbsee> toko1213: did you go and read that wiki page?  it explains all this stuff pretty well
[01:25] <toko1213> but waht is the default passwd for su?
[01:25] <KaoticEvil> then login with root.
[01:25] <KaoticEvil> thats how i did it last nite... to get init 1
[01:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok, yep
[01:26] <KaoticEvil> toko1213:  there is no default password..
[01:26] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee:  i wasnt sure if  wias going to *stay* linux or not
[01:26] <Hobbsee> why'd you have to do that as root?  you can use kdesu konqueror if you'd wanted to
[01:27] <Hobbsee> ah...ok...yes, i see
[01:27] <kakalto> hrm
[01:27] <kakalto> ktorrent is te h screwy
[01:27] <KaoticEvil> because it was on the same partition as /
[01:28] <kakalto> gerardocb, lucky I didn't just start up a direct dl, I managed to get the torrent working
[01:28] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, that's why it needed moving lol
[01:28] <Hobbsee> dont worry
[01:28] <Hobbsee> i suppose that konqueror as root is about as damaging as logging in as root, in terms of moving files
[01:28] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee:  yup... i moved it to a partition that was FAT32... it had my windows data on it... i did it that way because iw asnt sure if i was gonna keep linux installed or not
[01:28] <Hobbsee> ah ok, yep
[01:28] <KaoticEvil> i installed 5 different distros...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:29] <Hobbsee> which ones?
[01:29] <toko1213> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75144.html
[01:29] <KaoticEvil> slack9, slack 10.2, SuSE 9.1 (personal! *vomit*), vector, and gentoo (ok, that one i didnt install.. but i tried! lol)
[01:29] <toko1213> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75144.html
[01:29] <KaoticEvil> and i had heard about ubuntu.. but some one told me that it was pure Gnome.
[01:30] <toko1213> oops sorry
[01:30] <KaoticEvil> i cant stand Gnome
[01:30] <KaoticEvil> and then i was told about kubuntu... so i figured wth.. why not... and i love it :)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> hehe nice
[01:30] <toko1213> kdeedu is a real impressinve package for demonstaring linux strengths
[01:30] <kakalto> once you've finished this story, can ya tell me of your gentoo experiences? that makes a good story
[01:30] <toko1213> to MS dominated school districts
[01:31] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee:  well, ive used slack for a while before..
[01:32] <KaoticEvil> i *like* slackware.. but i was irritated by the pack of a dep-resolver...
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ah yes, never tried it
[01:32] <KaoticEvil> slack is a good learnig experience... almost *nothing* is done for you lol
[01:32] <kakalto> hehe
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:32] <kakalto> lol
[01:32] <Hobbsee> all the more reason not to try it!
[01:32] <KaoticEvil> and that is VERY frustrating for some one who is new to linux and doesnt really have anyone to help them out
[01:33] <KaoticEvil> like me
[01:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:33] <Hobbsee> i'll bet
[01:33] <kakalto> depends if ya want a crash course on linux or not :)
[01:33] <kakalto> my first linux was gentoo...
[01:33] <KaoticEvil> i did... 
[01:33] <kakalto> that was ....
[01:33] <toko1213> I rather like slack for a server the closest thing to bsd linux has to offer
[01:33] <toko1213> great documentation
[01:33] <KaoticEvil> toko1213:  exactly
[01:34] <KaoticEvil> thats what im going to put on this box when i build me a new one
[01:34] <toko1213> however I'm running kubuntu on this box because I need a demonstration computer for a school district
[01:34] <KaoticEvil> and but kubuntu on my new one :P
[01:35] <KaoticEvil> put*
[01:35] <toko1213> I thing they will be impredded with kdeedu specically ksatrs ktouch and kig
[01:35] <toko1213> I'll also have scribus and rosegarden two killer apps
[01:36] <toko1213> sound is a piece of cake on kubuntu
[01:36] <Hobbsee> fun
[01:37] <KaoticEvil> ok.. forget this.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> what'd you think of gentoo?
[01:37] <KaoticEvil> kakalto:  gentoo was your first linux?! O.O
[01:38] <kakalto> it was the only one I could get my hands on....
[01:38] <mornfall> Hobbsee: nothing good
[01:38] <kakalto> i had 56k back then
[01:38] <Hobbsee> i considered using it as the first one, then gave up
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> kakalto:  ah, ok
[01:38] <Hobbsee> lol mornfall1
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> i downloaded slack9 on dialup :P
[01:38] <Hobbsee> eek!
[01:38] <kakalto> that was a mission
[01:38] <kakalto> 0_o
[01:38] <KaoticEvil> and mdk7.2
[01:39] <kakalto> ah, forgot to mention... my dialup was a stupid pay-per-hour plan
[01:39] <KaoticEvil> oh, wow
[01:39] <chiron> I have no idea what I did, but now my wireless card doesn't connect on boot
[01:39] <KaoticEvil> brb
[01:39] <chiron> I think it happened when I was trying to fix Samba last night...
[01:41] <kakalto> but yeah... gentoo as first linux was evil. after my day or two compiling, I had my desktop... with no sound, and a few other issues I couldn't seem to fix
[01:41] <kakalto> so I switched to ubuntu :)
[01:41] <chiron> I know last time it messed up when I deleted the line to start my wireless card
[01:41] <chiron> but I swear I didn't do that this time
[01:42] <kakalto> ubuntu got boring, so I switched to suse.... something I will likely never do again, I didn't like suse... so I went back and made my gentoo again...
[01:42] <chiron> lol
[01:42] <kakalto> this time, no issues except java
[01:42] <chiron> kakalto: why are you in the Kubuntu channel then?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> what java issues?
[01:42] <kakalto> but, I'm gonna check out the new kubuntu :)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[01:42] <Hobbsee> eek, gentoo java issues, i cant help you there lol
[01:42] <chiron> I swear
[01:42] <chiron> ever since I made a new user in Kubuntu
[01:43] <chiron> all my problems started
[01:43] <kakalto> java issues? it randomly crashes... I've been meaning to find out about it, but haven't got around to it
[01:43] <chiron> Kubuntu just had a fit
[01:43] <chiron> Java sucks anyway
[01:43] <kakalto> apparently it's a portage thing, java just doesn't like portage-based distros
[01:43] <kakalto> but, I can't seem to find a decent bittorrent client that's not java...
[01:43] <chiron> kakalto: how exactly does emerge work?
[01:43] <chiron> kakalto: what about KTorrent?
[01:44] <kakalto> kinda like apt-get... but it's very hard to install outside packages
[01:44] <kakalto> and it compiles everything
[01:44] <kakalto> ktorrent... screwy
[01:44] <chiron> kakalto: what's wrong with KTorrent?
[01:44] <kakalto> it wouldn't finish my kubuntu torrent
[01:44] <kakalto> :(
[01:44] <Hobbsee> kakalto: azeureus?  however it's spelt
[01:44] <kakalto> it randomly stopped on like 98.71%
[01:44] <kakalto> azureus is java-based
[01:45] <chiron> kakalto: that's weird
[01:45] <chiron> kakalto: that shouldn't have happened
[01:45] <chiron> kakalto: and has never happened to me
[01:45] <chiron> kakalto: the only thing that isn't good about KTorrent is it doesn't have trackerless torrents
[01:45] <chiron> kakalto: it needs to have a way to connect to the Distributed DB just like Azureus
[01:46] <kakalto> you can't get practically any info on torrents in ktorrent, either
[01:47] <toko1213> thanks again
[01:48] <kakalto> but, quite frankly, I think the extra 2% speedup from everything being compiled in gentoo isn't particularly important
[01:49] <kakalto> I'd like a nice, stable debian-based distro... which kubuntu seems to attract
[01:49] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:49] <kakalto> stable/ rather, stable from the unstable point of view :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, that makes sense, just
[01:50] <kakalto> like, (k)ubuntu is based on unstable, which is stable
[01:50] <kakalto> 'cause 'unstable' doesn't mean crashy... it means it changes often, apparently
[01:50] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:50] <Hobbsee> like debian unstable - more recent apps
[01:51] <kakalto> that's what I'm getting at :)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:51] <Hobbsee> way too early in the morning for thinking...
[01:51] <kakalto> so long as kubuntu doesn't go slow, bloat or whatever that suse has, it'll be good
[01:52] <kakalto> I couldn't run any games at all on suse, it was so slow on my system :(
[01:52] <kakalto> Hobbsee, you in Oz? is it still morning?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:53] <Hobbsee> just
[01:53] <kakalto> lol
[01:53] <Hobbsee> how's the land of the sheep lol, across the tasman?   :P
[01:53] <kakalto> how it always is, y'know :)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:54] <Hobbsee> i was wondering how you were able to pick my timezone so quickly, till i saw where you were
[01:54] <kakalto> good ol' info menu
[01:55] <Hobbsee> *nods* - i just used the /whois
[01:55] <kakalto> x-chat has that in a little right-click menu ^-^
[01:55] <Hobbsee> never used x-chat
[01:56] <KaoticEvil> xchat is cool :>
[01:56] <KaoticEvil> i need a filesharing script tho o.o
[01:56] <kakalto> I couldn't stand konversation...
[01:56] <KaoticEvil> lol
[01:56] <Hobbsee> issri's fun too
[01:56] <kakalto> you mean irssi?
[01:56] <kakalto> yea :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> yeah, that
[01:57] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:57] <Hobbsee> the one that's got i's, r's and s' in it,  in any order
[01:57] <KaoticEvil> lol
[01:57] <kakalto> very useful when you're without X...
[01:57] <KaoticEvil> theres irc too :P
[01:57] <kakalto> Hobbsee, you only got the letters in reverse order :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> yeah true
[01:58] <kakalto> easy mistake. I was calling kde 'edk' for a while :P
[01:58] <Hobbsee> argh...forgotten the name of the program i want to run!
[01:58] <Hobbsee> lol...or dke
[01:58] <kakalto> don't ya just hate that
[01:58] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( KDE... KaoticEvil's Desktop Environment ;) :P )
[01:59] <Hobbsee> yes, because right now, i cant see it in my start menu either, and i know it's installed!
[01:59] <kakalto> what's it for?
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> magick*
[01:59] <Hobbsee> kakalto: it's the alarm thingo that comes with kde, and it's not karm
[02:00] <kakalto> can't help ya sorry :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> :P try kalarm
[02:01] <Hobbsee> not sure why that wasnt installed
[02:01] <Hobbsee> think that's the one i want...
[02:01] <Hobbsee> yep, it is
[02:02] <kakalto> hehe
[02:03] <kakalto> is theer a default kubuntu firewall?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> and now it's magically got into my kmenu
[02:03] <kakalto> lol.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> i think so, but there's IP tables or guarddog
[02:03] <kakalto> ohk
[02:03] <Hobbsee> well, the kubuntu has all the unused services off by default
[02:03] <kakalto> 'cause I'm looking for a firewall... I think firestarter is being screwy
[02:04] <Hobbsee> i've had trouble with firestarter too - couldnt see the windows files on another computer via samba
[02:04] <Hobbsee> could without the firewall
[02:04] <Hobbsee> can with guarddog
[02:04] <kakalto> I could do kmyfirewall, but it's complicated, all I need is simple
[02:04] <kakalto> I'll try guarddog
[02:05] <Hobbsee> you might find that a little complicated too, but it's not tooo bad
[02:07] <kakalto> meh, I'll just have to get over my laziness
[02:07] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:07] <Hobbsee> after using gentoo, that hardly lets you be lazy, it seems!
[02:07] <kakalto> hehe
[02:08] <kakalto> once gentoo is installed, it's very lazy
[02:08] <kakalto> it's the actual installation that's the issue :P
[02:09] <kakalto> but they're working on a walkthrough installer program
[02:09] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:10] <kakalto> the documentation is excellent on gentoo though
[02:11] <kakalto> but whenever you want to install a new program, out comes gcc, and waiting becomes the latest craze
[02:11] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:12] <Hobbsee> which is probably why you havent upgraded your kernel yet
[02:12] <kakalto> it's probably still more recent than the one included with kubuntu 5.10
[02:12] <Hobbsee> no
[02:12] <kakalto> no?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> 2.6.12
[02:13] <Hobbsee> same as yours
[02:13] <kakalto> ah
[02:14] <kakalto> but, I have to recompile nvidia drivers if I update kernel
[02:14] <Hobbsee> fun
[02:14] <kakalto> plus, my current kernel works fine, so no need
[02:14] <kakalto> nvidia isn't as bad as ati, as I hear
[02:14] <kakalto> so what do you have?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> true
[02:15] <Hobbsee> intel integrated card - this is a laptop
[02:15] <kakalto> >.<:
[02:15] <Hobbsee> 3d graphics would be nice though lol
[02:15] <kakalto> okay, since it's a laptop
[02:15] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:15] <kakalto> but damn, integrated is not nice
[02:15] <Hobbsee> no, not really
[02:16] <Hobbsee> but it works
[02:16] <Hobbsee> and unless i'm playing a graphics intensive game, i dont notice that much
[02:16] <Hobbsee> well, stuff that actually uses the 3d graphics
[02:17] <kakalto> yeah.
[02:18] <kakalto> but, I suppose laptops aren't really made for 3d, games, etc.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hehe...especially not this one!
[02:18] <kakalto> what's the specs like?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> this model is known to overheat - we didnt know when we bought it
[02:18] <Hobbsee> 2.4 ghz, 512mb ram
[02:18] <Hobbsee> toshiba a10 satellite, if you really want to look them up
[02:19] <Hobbsee> runs kubuntu really well lol
[02:19] <kakalto> kewl
[02:20] <kakalto> you on via wireless or wired?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> wired
[02:20] <kakalto> fair enough, wireless is still quite expensive
[02:20] <kakalto> in comparison
[02:21] <Hobbsee> so true
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i think the family is lookign to to go wireless at some point
[02:22] <Hobbsee> if i had a wireless card, i think someone's got an open connection to test out the wireless with
[02:22] <Hobbsee> silly people who dont secure their wireless connections...
[02:22] <kakalto> yeah, lol
[02:22] <kakalto> go wardriving :P
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:23] <Hobbsee> i think they're across the street, so i wouldnt have to move far!
[02:24] <kakalto> sadly, I'm in a small town, the only wireless connection around would be maybe the school, which plugs & unplugs its wireless on demand
[02:24] <Hobbsee> :( no fun at all!
[02:25] <kakalto> then again
[02:25] <kakalto> if I could figure out how to steal someone's satellite connection
[02:26] <kakalto> I dunno
[02:30] <_admin> ok
[02:31] <the_night> help
[02:31] <kakalto> ?
[02:32] <the_night> ok, I downloaded fglrx the ati binary in order to get opengl/3d to work... however, now I cannot change my resolution to 1200*800 like I was able to before
[02:32] <the_night> and I set that resolution dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:32] <the_night> so it should work as far as I know
[02:33] <the_night> that and whenever I try to autodetect my monitor, it blacks out the screen and i have to restart
[02:33] <the_night> It did this on ubuntu also
[02:33] <the_night> Hello?
[02:35] <kakalto> sorry
[02:35] <kakalto> I can't help
[02:35] <kakalto> :$
[02:36] <the_night> thanks...
[02:38] <seth_k|lappy> if he ever comes back
[02:38] <seth_k|lappy> it's this bug: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15606
[02:38] <kakalto> I should have told him to stick around, as I'm not even running kubuntu, let alone ati drivers
[02:40] <seth_k|lappy> i'll memo him
[02:40] <seth_k|lappy> oh bah, not registered
[02:45] <parraf1> hi all. how to view video thumbnails on konqueror?
[03:07] <crimson> hello
[03:09] <crimson> anybody has installed "KM"??
[03:11] <jk-> hi all.
[03:13] <byrmky> hi
[03:13] <byrmky> guys
[03:13] <byrmky> i need help
[03:13] <byrmky> please
[03:13] <crimson> i cant do anything with command "MAKE" what i need?
[03:13] <jk-> hi byrmky.
[03:13] <byrmky> hi
[03:13] <jk-> crimson: what happens?
[03:14] <byrmky> welll
[03:14] <byrmky> i have ubuntu
[03:14] <byrmky> but i want to install
[03:14] <byrmky> kubuntu
[03:14] <byrmky> ?
[03:14] <byrmky> how
[03:14] <jk-> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:14] <Dasnipa`> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:14] <jk-> i think
[03:14] <crimson> im trying to install these...http://gatos.sourceforge.net/km.php
[03:16] <byrmky> this error comes
[03:16] <byrmky>  Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:16] <Dasnipa`> you have to do sudo
[03:16] <jk-> byrmky: sudo apt-get install ...
[03:16] <Dasnipa`> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:16] <crimson> it says that i need to put "MAKE" command to compile but it appears these bash: make: command not found
[03:17] <jk-> crimson: you need to install make then
[03:17] <jk-> crimson: sudo apt-get install make
[03:17] <jk-> and you'll probably want to install gcc too.
[03:17] <crimson> ok
[03:17] <crimson> let me try
[03:18] <crimson> installed...
[03:18] <crimson> it works
[03:19] <byrmky> its says i have allready but i still on ubuntu
[03:19] <byrmky> ?
[03:22] <crimson> again
[03:31] <crimson> appears Any objective was not specified and was no makefile
[03:31] <crimson> when i put "make"
[03:32] <Dasnipa`> did you ./configure first?
[03:35] <crimson> no, im new in linux
[03:36] <Dasnipa`> very apparently
[03:36] <Dasnipa`> when you download a source file it usually has a number of things... first thing to look for is a configure file
[03:37] <Dasnipa`> you run this with ./configure
[03:37] <Dasnipa`> that creates the make file
[03:37] <Dasnipa`> then you run make on it
[03:37] <Dasnipa`> and then make install usually
[03:37] <crimson> ok wait
[03:38] <crimson> bash: /configure: The file or the directory does not exist
[03:40] <crimson> sorry, this is hard when you com from winbugs
[03:40] <jk-> crimson: what are you trying to install ?
[03:40] <jk-> (also, it's './configure' - you need the . )
[03:41] <crimson> jk---avview & km & firefox
[03:41] <crimson> i do that
[03:41] <crimson> ./
[03:42] <crimson> im using kubuntu
[03:42] <jk-> but what are you trying to install right now? which of those packages?
[03:42] <crimson> km
[03:46] <kubuntu_guy> gudmorning guys
[03:48] <chuck87> hi, does someone knows how to install kernel header?
[03:48] <LjL> chuck87: aptitude install linux-kernel-headers
[03:49] <chuck87> thanx LjL ! ;)
[03:49] <KaoticEvil> 'fs vars
[03:50] <chuck87> and how can i install gcc3.4?
[03:50] <crimson> jk??
[03:52] <chx> how could I insert a soft hyphen 0xC2 0xAD into KATE?
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> oh wow...
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> KMail has gotten nicer :)
[03:54] <chx> ah kcharselect
[03:54] <regeya> heh
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> id like to find a replacement to T'bird.... but i dont think KMail is gonna cut it
[03:57] <crimson> anybody has already installed firefox?
[03:57] <regeya> well, what are you looking for that you're not getting in T'bird?
[03:58] <crimson> in kubuntu
[03:58] <regeya> unf.
[04:00] <KaoticEvil> crimson:  i have
[04:00] <KaoticEvil> regeya:  something a lil faster
[04:00] <crimson> how you do it?
[04:00] <crimson> Kaotic?
[04:01] <KaoticEvil> crimson:  sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:02] <regeya> so what features are you looking for KaoticEvil
[04:02] <LjL> crimson: it works, tho it gives an error when starting, i haven't look at it but it should be very easily fixable (i think it's about not finding the homepage)
[04:02] <KaoticEvil> regeya:  something on the order of T'bird... but faster :P
[04:02] <byrmky> hi guys i am back
[04:03] <byrmky> there is another problem
[04:03] <byrmky> i dont have any sound in my computer
[04:03] <byrmky> help 
[04:03] <byrmky> please
[04:04] <byrmky> ?
[04:04] <KaoticEvil> byrmky:  waht sound card?
[04:04] <KaoticEvil> what*
[04:04] <byrmky> no idea
[04:04] <KaoticEvil> doh.
[04:05] <byrmky> how can i check
[04:05] <byrmky> in kubuntu
[04:05] <byrmky> desktop
[04:05] <crimson> appears The package firefox is not available, but some other package makes reference to him. This can mean that the package lacks, is obsolete or it only is available from some other source E: The package firefox does not have candidate for its installation
[04:06] <byrmky> ?
[04:07] <KaoticEvil> crimson:  try: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:07] <KaoticEvil> thats the metapackage
[04:08] <KaoticEvil> crimson:  have you added universe and multiverse to apt-get?
[04:08] <crimson> same thing happen
[04:08] <crimson> no
[04:08] <KaoticEvil> ubotu:  tell crimson about repos
[04:09] <KaoticEvil> crimson:  read what ubotu just told you
[04:09] <KaoticEvil> do that, then rebuild your apt-cache and try it
[04:09] <jk-> firefox is in main
[04:10] <bimberi> jk-: yes
[04:10] <byrmky> hi are you going to help meguys?
[04:11] <KaoticEvil> is it? i never really looked, tbh
[04:12] <crimson> ok thanks, im going to dinner
[04:12] <byrmky> ?
[04:12] <byrmky> do i have to beg for help
[04:12] <byrmky> or u help
[04:13] <jk-> byrmky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:14] <bimberi> byrmky: no need to beg, if someone knows they will help, otherwise assume nobody knows :)
[04:15] <bimberi> jk-: sorry, i didn't see the context of your post, you weren't asking (about firefox) :)
[04:15] <N17R0> Hi under which name can I find the ubuntu cursor theme on kde-looks.org ?
[04:16] <jk-> bimberi: i was telling KaoticEvil that firefox was in main, not {uni,multi}verse :)
[04:16] <bimberi> jk-: yep, realise that now :)
[04:16] <jk-> N17R0: i don't think it's a KDE theme.
[04:16] <jk-> N17R0: you want to use it in another distro ?
[04:17] <jk-> bimberi: :)
[04:17] <N17R0> jk- : yes I want it for gentoo :P
[04:19] <jk-> N17R0: it's in the 'kubuntu-default-settings' package, if that's any help to you :)
[04:19] <jk-> N17R0: http://www.google.com/search?q=kubuntu+xcursor+theme&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[04:20] <N17R0> yeah that Pinux theme looks like it :P But its not the same 
[04:22] <RaRe> !customize
[04:22] <ubotu> RaRe: Are you smoking crack?
[04:23] <RaRe> how do I add those calendar/cpu monitor often seen in desktop screenshots? :o
[04:23] <jk-> RaRe: right click on taskbar, -> add applet
[04:24] <RaRe> on the desktop i mean, like it's embedded on the background
[04:26] <jk-> rare: you sure it was a kde desktop, not gnome ?
[04:26] <RaRe> i think it's kde... because I saw it on a screenshot from kde-look... wait let me try to hunt for the link
[04:27] <Ria> anyone able to help me with a wine issue?
[04:27] <regeya> it's probably a superkaramba thingamabob...can't help beyond that tho
[04:27] <RaRe> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=27968&file1=27968-1.jpg&file2=27968-2.jpg&file3=&name=Polymer
[04:29] <jk-> yeah, check out superkaramba
[04:29] <jk-> (just because it has a cool name :D )
[04:29] <RaRe> lol okie
[04:29] <RaRe> thanx :)
[04:29] <Ria> I guess I should just post since I seem to have killed the chat everywhere else--I can't get my mouse to work properly in photoshop. Instead of acting like a paintbrush, it goes point-to-point, from where I clicked down to where I clicked up.
[04:30] <Ria> Kinda makes working in it difficult
[04:32] <chiron> so I didn't know that KDE had a seperate volume control for headphones
[04:32] <chiron> to make a long story short, my ears are now in quite a bit of pain
[04:32] <chiron> stupid KDE...
[04:32] <RaRe> lol
[04:33] <RaRe> Ria: does linux have photoshop?
[04:33] <jk-> RaRe: this is running under a windows emulator
[04:33] <Ria> I'm running it under crossover office
[04:33] <RaRe> cool
[04:34] <Dasnipa`> rare: gimp is pretty much better than photoshop
[04:34] <Ria> my company has a business license and my IT guy let me borrow the CD to try it out
[04:35] <Ria> no idea?
[04:35] <RaRe> Dasnipa`: i doubt that =/
[04:35] <Dasnipa`> doubt not... there isnt much you can do in photoshop that you cant in gimp
[04:35] <Dasnipa`> and i like gimps scripting features bettr
[04:36] <RaRe> hmm, well I guess it's all about preference.
[04:37] <Dasnipa`> well you should check out the project that reskinned gimps U-I to make it look almost exactly like photoshop
[04:37] <RaRe> will do.
[04:38] <Dasnipa`> i never got around to checking it out, but it got slashdotted so im guessing he did a good job
[04:38] <Ria> I tried installing it but it didn't work.
[04:38] <Dasnipa`> he/they
[04:38] <Ria> And then ubuntu decided to install over it! 
[04:38] <Ria> 'Cause apparently the version they were working with was 2.2.4, and the newest ubuntu version is 2.2.8
[04:39] <Ria> That and I'm used to photoshop, so why should I switch when crossover office says that it can handle it? 
[04:40] <Ria> Just wondered if you guys had any ideas, like if I had a way of fixing it
[04:41] <Dasnipa`> because each sale of a closed source corporate program license kills a baby kitten
[04:41] <chiron> wtf, I've got this extremely weird amarok bug
[04:41] <chiron> every time I fast forward a song
[04:41] <chiron> amarok either hangs
[04:41] <chiron> or crashes
[04:41] <chiron> if it hangs, it'll fix itself after about 15 seconds
[04:41] <chiron> bug I still can't fast forward songs
[04:42] <chiron> I have the newest amarok
[04:43] <Ria> Meh. More baby kittens getting killed isn't a big deal.
[04:43] <Ria> Bob Barker's trying to nip the genitals of catdom all the time.
[04:45] <tindasz> hi all
[04:45] <RaRe> Dasnipa`: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gimpshop/ <-- found it ;)
[04:46] <RaRe> hello
[04:51] <dutch> how do I change the resolution in KDE ?
[04:59] <crimsun> dutch: should be in the kde control center
[05:00] <jk-> crimsun: sysmtemsettings -> display ?
[05:00] <jk-> err, that was for dutch.
[05:03] <crimsun> I keep forgetting about system settings
[05:03] <dutch> crimsun: thanks, been looking but can't find anything to do with screen resolution
[05:04] <crimsun> dutch: did you try jk-'s system settings suggestion?
[05:05] <jk-> systemsettings == kcontrol, but a little more shiny :)
[05:05] <dutch> crimsun: i found it ! i think :)
[05:07] <dutch> control center/peripherals/display
[05:13] <Delvien> Anyone know how i would run this """xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 4 5"""" everytime i boot?
[05:14] <Delvien> its just a command line. but i want it to go in as soon as i login
[05:15] <glitch> Well, I'm no ubuntu guru
[05:15] <jk-> boot, or login ?
[05:15] <glitch> but on fedora
[05:15] <Delvien> login, or whichever is easier
[05:15] <glitch> I would edit rc.local to include it
[05:15] <crimsun> you can specify the appropriate {y,z}axismapping in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:16] <Delvien> im on Kubuntu 5.10
[05:16] <glitch> me too - just learning my way around
[05:16] <Delvien> crimsun aye, i have to have it this way, or my scroll wheel goes back/forward, while me forward/back buttons scroll., its strange but it works, got myself a new Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and not by CURSED microsuk
[05:17] <glitch> I've been redhat/fedora since RH6
[05:17] <glitch> decided to try kubuntu
[05:17] <Delvien> i just started linux with ubuntu preview
[05:17] <Delvien> jk- any ideas?
[05:18] <jk-> are you using a .xsession ?
[05:18] <Delvien> jk- how do i know :P
[05:18] <jk-> ok, you're probably not then :)
[05:19] <Delvien> i know how to do it in gnome, but i want this one command to be entered at login
[05:20] <jk-> how would you do it in gnome?
[05:20] <jk-> just outta curiosity...
[05:21] <Delvien> in  umm sessions start up , worked for me
[05:22] <Delvien> how do i figure out what bluetooth devs i have connected right now , IE the baddr
[05:22] <jk-> 'hcitool browse' i think
[05:22] <jk-> or maybe hcitool search
[05:24] <Delvien> neithr work
[05:25] <jk-> inquire ? :)
[05:26] <Delvien> trying now
[05:27] <Delvien> nope , oh well ill find out tomorrow
[05:27] <Delvien> so do you know how to make that command line run on start up?
[05:27] <Delvien> err login i mean
[05:28] <glitch> Start up yes
[05:29] <glitch> log in to KDE, I'm not so sure
[05:29] <Delvien> glitch startup would be fine, how do i do it?
[05:29] <glitch> there's no rc.local in [k] ubuntu
[05:30] <Delvien> o
[05:30] <glitch> but the scripts that get run on a graphical boot 
[05:30] <glitch> are under
[05:30] <Delvien> :( nm then
[05:30] <Delvien> is there anyway toi do it in kubuntu?
[05:30] <glitch>  /etc/rc5.d
[05:31] <glitch> that is a directory full of links to little scripts that run at runlevel 5 (multiuser + X)
[05:31] <glitch> the scripts themselves are in /etc/init.d
[05:31] <Delvien> neither of them exist
[05:32] <glitch> ?
[05:32] <glitch> I'm on kubuntu 5.10
[05:32] <glitch> and I've got an /etc/init.d
[05:32] <Delvien> just did sudo kedit /etc/init.d and said it was a new file
[05:32] <glitch> (it's a directory)
[05:32] <glitch> ahh
[05:32] <Delvien> o
[05:32] <glitch> that's why
[05:32] <glitch> yeah
[05:32] <glitch> what you want to do is
[05:32] <jk-> runlevel 2 is default in ubuntu - you'll want rc2.d
[05:32] <Delvien> do i just chmod a txt file and put it in there?
[05:32] <glitch> really?
[05:33] <jk-> glitch: run 'runlevel' and see :)
[05:33] <glitch> why would rc2 be default for.. !?!
[05:33] <glitch> wait
[05:33] <glitch> doesn't that break the 'rules' ?
[05:34] <glitch> I'm still getting used to the differences between redhat/the rest of the unix world
[05:34] <glitch> okay
[05:34] <glitch> well
[05:34] <Delvien> jk- would it be true if i make a text file, chmod it ( so it runs as a executable) and put it in init.d that it would run on startup
[05:34] <glitch> almost
[05:34] <glitch> you're on the right track
[05:34] <glitch> that's where you want to put your scripts to be run
[05:34] <troy> glitch: graphical mode is 4 on slackware :)
[05:34] <glitch> and then the last thing you do is put a link from whatever runlevel you want
[05:34] <Delvien> ok and does all of init.d run at startup?
[05:34] <Delvien> ok lemme think
[05:34] <glitch> for example 
[05:35] <glitch> in konsole
[05:35] <jk-> Delvien: echo -e '#!/bin/sh\n\nexec xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 4 5"' > /etc/init.d/modmap; chmod 755 /etc/init.d/modmap; ln -s ../init.d/modmap /etc/rc2.d/S30modmap
[05:35] <glitch> cd /etc/rc2.d
[05:35] <jk-> should do the trick :)
[05:35] <glitch> jk beat me to it :)
[05:35] <Delvien> no bin/bash?
[05:36] <Delvien> wait
[05:36] <Delvien> do i run that in command line or put that in my text file in init.d
[05:36] <glitch> that command line will:
[05:36] <glitch> create a new next file called modmad in /etc/init.d
[05:37] <glitch> and then make a link to it from /etc/rc2.d
[05:37] <jk-> it's just one command line to cut & paste into a console.
[05:37] <glitch> oops modmap
[05:37] <glitch> I was going to go through step by step, but that works too 
[05:37] <jk-> but you'll need to 'sudo -s' first.
[05:37] <glitch> okay
[05:37] <Delvien> so my text file should look like sudo -s
[05:37] <glitch> as a sudo noob
[05:38] <glitch> what does the sudo -s do?
[05:38] <jk-> glitch: run a shell instead of a single command
[05:38] <Delvien> ok supposidly its in
[05:38] <Delvien> im gonna do a fast reboot just to make sure
[05:38] <glitch> so that's like running su on other os's
[05:38] <KaoticEvil> anyone used alien?
[05:38] <jk-> glitch: yeah.
[05:38] <glitch> before your reboot - be sure that modmap is in /etc/init.d
[05:39] <jk-> and is executable
[05:39] <Delvien> it is
[05:39] <jk-> and linked to from /etc/rc2.d
[05:39] <Delvien> how do i tell that?
[05:39] <glitch> you can cd to /etc/rc2.d
[05:39] <jk-> ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*modmap*
[05:39] <glitch> and be able to see it in that dir
[05:40] <glitch> if you're using konsole with colors the link should show up in light blue
[05:40] <Delvien> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 16 2005-11-10 23:38 /etc/rc2.d/S30modmap -> ../init.d/modmap
[05:40] <Delvien> yeah its lighr blue
[05:40] <glitch> great, that's a link to the executable script you just made in rc2.d
[05:40] <Delvien> so does that mean it works :)
[05:41] <glitch> sounds like you've got all your ducks in a row
[05:41] <Delvien> yay, lemme reboot just to make sure it works
[05:41] <glitch> that command should execute everytime you reboot from now on
[05:41] <Delvien> brb
[05:44] <glitch> so if that command runs before X starts
[05:45] <glitch> will it work for him?
[05:45] <RaRe> hello.. how do I check my KDE's version?
[05:46] <glitch> ahh - you made it S30, so it should start after S21kdm anyway, neh?
[05:48] <Delvien> dddddddddoesnt work :(
[05:48] <Delvien> woah
[05:49] <glitch> Rare
[05:49] <kkathman> evening all :)
[05:49] <glitch> Rare: use the command kde-config --version
[05:49] <Delvien> i  mean all i have to do atm is click on an icon i made to make it work, but i want a more intelligent login
[05:50] <glitch> I was afraid of that - it sounds like you have to execute that after a KDE login, not just a system start
[05:50] <Delvien> oh well , ill deal with it later, im gonna go try my new toys in windows on battlefield 2
[05:51] <Delvien> glitch how would i go about doing thay
[05:51] <Delvien> that
[05:51] <glitch> well - this seems like a kludge
[05:51] <Delvien> kludge
[05:52] <Delvien> ?
[05:52] <glitch> but you could try putting the script in ~/.kde/Audostart
[05:52] <glitch> grr
[05:52] <glitch> ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:52] <glitch> kludge = clumsy fix for a problem
[05:52] <Delvien> do i just put the file in there
[05:52] <glitch> if I remember correctly, yes, anything in Autostart will run at successful login by that user
[05:53] <KaoticEvil> if i format my root partition, and install linux again, and use the same username (/home is on another partition), will i still be able to access all my files?
[05:53] <sophie_> anyone use krename on kubuntu
[05:53] <Delvien> glitch so if i chmod 777 a text file with the command in there, and put it in autostart it will work
[05:54] <glitch> KaoticEvil: I was just wondering that myself. A new linux install will want to make it's own home dir on the main drive, right?
[05:54] <sophie_> Delvien: better use chmod +x script
[05:54] <RaRe> glitch: thanx
[05:54] <sophie_> this wil apply only to your user and not system wide
[05:54] <KaoticEvil> glitch:  presumably not, if you tell it to mount the existing partition as /home
[05:54] <KaoticEvil> but i wondering about permissions
[05:55] <glitch> KaoticEvil: ahh, okay, permissions I can say yes to
[05:55] <glitch> KaoticEvil: i just did that
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> glitch:  cool
[05:55] <sophie_> anyone use krename on kubuntu?
[05:56] <glitch> Delvien: not sure that the Autostart dir will work, but I don't see why it wouldn't
[05:56] <KaoticEvil> glitch:  what did you go to/from?
[05:56] <glitch> Fedora core 4 -> kubuntu
[05:56] <KaoticEvil> heh cool
[05:56] <glitch> anyone have a 2nd opinion on that
[05:57] <glitch> ?
[05:57] <Delvien> where is autostart dir?
[05:57] <glitch> are your file permissions linked to the username
[05:57] <glitch> or to a UID
[05:57] <glitch> for me
[05:57] <KaoticEvil> does kubuntu have SMP support?
[05:57] <KaoticEvil> Delvien:  ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:57] <glitch> Delvien: /home/glitch/.kde/Autostart
[05:57] <glitch> the ~ means /home/yourUserName
[05:57] <Delvien> got it
[05:57] <glitch> and the shell interprets it that way
[05:58] <Delvien> brb i guess, see if it works
[05:58] <glitch> gl
[05:59] <glitch> KaoticEvil: yes, kubuntu comes with a few kernels, SMP being one of them
[05:59] <KaoticEvil> glitch:  thanks.. had a friend askin me
[06:00] <glitch> this is completely nitpicky
[06:00] <glitch> but i miss bluecurve on kubuntu
[06:00] <KaoticEvil> lol
[06:01] <glitch> the default plastik theme - all the windows seem to kind of run together visually
[06:01] <glitch> I tried turning on shadows + transparency
[06:01] <glitch> http://www.glitchnyc.com/?p=64
[06:01] <glitch> but it was just a little too slow
[06:02] <glitch> oh
[06:02] <glitch> i know what i needed to ask
[06:02] <RaRe> help, i've downloaded an icon set [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/2550034/]  but it isn't in a .theme format, how do i use this with my kde?
[06:03] <glitch> anyone else have trouble with flash + mozilla
[06:03] <KaoticEvil> glitch:  mozilla or firefox?
[06:06] <glitch> oops gotta run
[06:06] <glitch> bbiab
[06:33] <endo602> hello
[06:33] <endo602> i was wondering if kubuntu supports encryption with WPA
[06:33] <endo602> meaning
[06:33] <kkathman> hey endo602  :)
[06:33] <endo602> i have a WRT54GS router
[06:33] <endo602> hello
[06:33] <kkathman> in wireless ?
[06:33] <endo602> and i want to encrypt the wireless signal with WPA
[06:34] <jk-> endo602: yep, xsupplicant is available.
[06:34] <endo602> ill try that out
[06:34] <endo602> now
[06:34] <endo602> :)
[06:34] <endo602> another thing i want to do 
[06:34] <endo602> is disable the caps lock key
[06:35] <nalioth> endo602: get some pliers :0
[06:35] <endo602> hahahahaha
[06:35] <crimsun> endo602: use wpasupplicant or xsupplicant.
[06:35] <crimsun> endo602: having touched both packages, I recommend the former
[06:35] <endo602> will do
[06:36] <jk-> endo602: xmodmap -e "clear lock"
[06:36] <crimsun> hmm, some pretty significant changes in 0_4 branch. I'll think about backporting those.
[06:37] <kkathman> has anyone tried out the new Gambas..just curious if its as good as it seems
[06:38] <nalioth> gambas?
[06:39] <kkathman> yah its an IDE like Visual BASIC
[06:39] <KaoticEvil> w00t!!!
[06:39] <KaoticEvil> alien worked :D
[06:41] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: are you trashing your system?
[06:41] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  nope... just installing FPC/Lazarus :)
[06:42] <KaoticEvil> got the 3 packages, ran alien on em.. and they isntalled without a hitch :)
[06:43] <endo602> jk- anyway to change the caps lock to another shift
[06:43] <endo602> ?
[06:43] <seth_k> Anyone have any idea about getting phpEclipse to install on Breezy's Eclipse packages? The wiki instructions are bad (outdated)
[06:44] <seth_k> endo602: Regional & Accessibility, in SystemSettings. Go to XKB options
[06:44] <endo602> i did that
[06:44] <endo602> never worked for me
[06:45] <seth_k> then your xkb stuff isn't working
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> how old is breezy?
[06:45] <jk-> was released in 5/10
[06:45] <seth_k> a little under a month old
[06:45] <jk-> err
[06:45] <jk-> 2005/10
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[06:46] <KaoticEvil> so the next version will be out... 6/04?
[06:46] <seth_k> rgr
[06:46] <seth_k> Dapper Drake, 6.04
[06:46] <seth_k> I'm running it now
[06:46] <KaoticEvil> seth_k:  yeah? cool :)
[06:46] <seth_k> not much different at this point :P
[06:46] <KaoticEvil> heh
[06:46] <seth_k> starting to see the merges come in
[06:46] <crimsun> yep, we're working our tails off
[06:47] <endo602> hmmm
[06:47] <seth_k> I merged mysql-query-browser yesterday and stuck it on revu
[06:47] <endo602> another question
[06:47] <seth_k> and Riddell is supposed to peek at my kmobiletools package sometime methinks
[06:47] <endo602> how come i can only acccess my wireless connection and not other nearby
[06:47] <endo602> they dont have encryption
[06:47] <KaoticEvil> i have to say... of all the linux distros ive tried, i am *very* impressed with kubuntu
[06:47] <crimsun> seth_k: we're using LP for merges
[06:48] <KaoticEvil> crimsun and seth_k: are you on the kubuntu devel staff?
[06:48] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: it will become a very wild and exasperating ride before 6.04 for those suckling at the dapper tree
[06:48] <crimsun> KaoticEvil: I don't do much with KDE directly; I'm a MOTU (maintain the universe & multiverse tree)
[06:48] <seth_k> crimsun: yeah, mysql-query-browser wasn't on the merge list until today :S so I thought it got overlooked
[06:49] <seth_k> KaoticEvil: I play with backports, and am an op here on #kubuntu
[06:49] <jk-> endo602: xmodmap -e 'add shift = Caps_Lock'
[06:49] <KaoticEvil> oh, awesome :)
[06:49] <endo602> thanks
[06:50] <KaoticEvil> ok, now that i got alzarus running, im going to go write some code :) bbl
[06:50] <seth_k> crimsun: think I should put a link to the revu package for m-q-b on the launchpad bug? or just let somebody else merge it and keep my hands out of where they don't belong :P
[06:50] <endo602> thanks so much jk
[06:50] <crimsun> seth_k: if you've done the work, please link to it 
[06:50] <endo602> crimsum
[06:50] <crimsun> seth_k: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge ?
[06:51] <endo602> i just installed wpa
[06:51] <endo602> wpasupplicant
[06:51] <seth_k> yeah, I helped with merges for Breezy
[06:51] <endo602> how do i access it?
[06:51] <seth_k> I don't know how to do it too well though, methinks
[06:51] <crimsun> endo602: it's probably easiest to use Konsole currently
[06:51] <endo602> aha
[06:51] <endo602> ok
[06:51] <crimsun> endo602: are you using WPA (not WPA2)?
[06:52] <endo602> currently nothing
[06:52] <endo602> but i would like to set up whatever is best
[06:52] <crimsun> endo602: I recommend WPA, then
[06:52] <crimsun> there are still some WPA2 issues that won't be fixed until 0.4.7 apparently
[06:52] <endo602> ok
[06:52] <seth_k> crimsun: what's the best method for doing merges, in your opinion? I took Breezy source and Debian source, uupdate'd the Breezy, and went through the .rej's
[06:52] <endo602> ok
[06:52] <endo602> so if i change the security
[06:53] <seth_k> should I go the other way around, and put the Ubuntu diff into the Debian source? Or how
[06:53] <endo602> how can i make it that my laptop can read the encryption?
[06:53] <crimsun> seth_k: look at Scott's MoM page
[06:53] <crimsun> seth_k: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/
[06:54] <crimsun> MoM/REVU2 has done most of the hard work already
[06:54] <crimsun> endo602: you'd need to edit /etc/wpa_supplicant and /etc/default/wpasupplicant
[06:54] <endo602> aha ok
[06:54] <crimsun> endo602: err, /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/default/wpasupplicant
[06:55] <endo602> ok
[06:56] <endo602> WPA radius?
[06:56] <seth_k> yeah, I've read that one too, but reading through a 2.6MB dropped patch messed with my head. Meh, sometime I need to kidnap an MOTU out to a desert island and make them give me lessons for a day. Then I'd be good :P
[06:56] <endo602> with Tkip?
[06:56] <humboldto> Is there an update for OO.org2 already available for breezy?
[06:57] <seth_k> humboldto, yes
[06:57] <humboldto> Where?
[06:57] <crimsun> seth_k: it's pretty simple. Look at REPORT, then skim the debian.patch and the ubuntu.patch. Make sure everything in the Ubuntu patch has been included in the Debian patch. If that's the case, the merged .patch should be trivial. If that's the case, you can request a sync else you'll have to merge by hand.
[06:58] <seth_k> humboldto,
[06:58] <humboldto> Did not find any update/backport yet
[06:58] <seth_k> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/ ./
[06:58] <crimsun> endo602: depends what your wireless access point is configured as
[06:58] <seth_k> add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <seth_k> then click reload in Synaptic
[06:58] <seth_k> ignoring GPG errors
[06:58] <seth_k> then you will have OOo2 ready to download
[06:58] <endo602> SHIT
[06:58] <endo602> shit
[06:58] <endo602> i dont know
[06:58] <endo602> i just bought htis router
[06:59] <seth_k> endo602, language please
[06:59] <endo602> sorry
[06:59] <endo602> my bad
[06:59] <humboldto> seth_k: will this show up in breezy-updates soon?
[06:59] <seth_k> humboldto, I am unsure.
[06:59] <seth_k> But I'm running those packages on 2 machines
[06:59] <seth_k> and they are more stable than 129
[06:59] <yudi> how to adjust new date by konsole?
[06:59] <endo602> my setup is a router wired with my desktop and wireless to my laptop
[07:00] <endo602> the laptop has kubuntu
[07:00] <humboldto> how can I set the keymap for the console?
[07:00] <seth_k> ouch, it's midnight. crimsun, thank you for the pointers. I think I'll retry merging tomorrow.
[07:00] <crimsun> k
[07:01] <endo602> crimsum
[07:01] <endo602> sun
[07:01] <endo602> its just a router is the access point
[07:02] <crimsun> endo602: yes, but it still needs to be configured to use WEP, WPA, etc.
[07:02] <endo602> its WPA 
[07:02] <endo602> but should i put SHAREd key
[07:03] <endo602> or radius
[07:03] <jk-> endo602: i thought we'd fixed your caps-lock problem? :)
[07:03] <endo602> yeah you did
[07:03] <endo602> sorry
[07:03] <endo602> this is my desktop
[07:03] <humboldto> Is there any app for kde to manage wireless networks reliably? something that does not need the root user to switch networks?
[07:03] <endo602> i am on
[07:03] <jk-> shared key, unless you want to set up a radius server too.
[07:03] <humboldto> does not even have to be a kde app
[07:03] <jk-> .. which you don't.
[07:04] <humboldto> could also be console
[07:04] <jk-> humboldto: i've heard laptop-net does it all automatically
[07:04] <endo602> TKIP or AES
[07:04] <humboldto> is ifscheme integrated in the ifupdown scripts reliably?
[07:04] <jk-> but i just use an 'athome' or 'atwork' scripts
[07:05] <humboldto> jk-: well, somehow if I loose my connection for a moment the interface goes down completely and I have to bring it up by hand with ifup
[07:05] <humboldto> this sucks
[07:05] <endo602> jk i am going to check out the laptop-net too
[07:06] <endo602> should i take off my config for networks under the root?
[07:06] <humboldto> isn't there something that constantely scans for networks and uses the ones that are open or already configured?
[07:07] <humboldto> jk-: I don't see any wlan support in laptop-net description
[07:08] <jk-> ok, maybe it's not for wireless setup then. 
[07:08] <jk-> :)
[07:08] <endo602> damn
[07:09] <humboldto> it seems to be soley for automatic setup of you cabled interfaces
[07:09] <endo602> jk if i use WPA shared then to i want to set up using TKIP or AES
[07:09] <paulproteus|jhu> endo602, TKIP
[07:10] <crimsun> endo602: what wifi chipset are you using?
[07:11] <humboldto> One thing that I don't like about this whole "Get the Linux Desktop forward" thing, is the fact that they develop cool apps, like the automounter for usb-disks, that only work, when the desktop is actually running. network-magick (gnome) drapper is another example 
[07:12] <humboldto> why can't this stuff be console based and daemons in the background and kde or gnome just talk to them?
[07:12] <crimsun> humboldto: actually that's only because no one has written the console equivalent. The backend is already present
[07:12] <crimsun> We have udev and hotplug that function regardless of gui
[07:13] <endo602> crimsun intel
[07:13] <endo602> for the dell 700m
[07:14] <crimsun> endo602: ipw2195?
[07:14] <crimsun> endo602: the ipw2200 driver doesn't properly support AES+TKIP for WPA in Breezy
[07:14] <humboldto> I mean, the stuff should run by it's own
[07:15] <humboldto> crimsun: Are you refering to the mounting thing?
[07:15] <endo602> ntel ProWireless 2100 (802.11b, 11 Mbps4) mini PCI wireless card
[07:15] <endo602> that wok
[07:16] <endo602> is that would you mean
[07:16] <crimsun> endo602: ah, the ipw2100 doesn't properly support AES+TKIP in WPA either
[07:16] <endo602> how about either or
[07:16] <endo602> not both
[07:16] <endo602> just TKIP
[07:16] <endo602> it will?
[07:16] <crimsun> endo602: correct
[07:16] <endo602> ok
[07:16] <endo602> so i will just put tkip
[07:17] <endo602> ok
[07:17] <endo602> now i edit the .conf file
[07:17] <endo602> what do i do with the /etc/default/wpasupp?
[07:17] <crimsun> endo602: you have to edit it
[07:17] <endo602> yeah
[07:17] <endo602> i know
[07:18] <crimsun> change the OPTIONS= line
[07:18] <endo602> but just the OPTIONS= part?
[07:18] <endo602> oh
[07:18] <endo602> ok
[07:18] <endo602> to -c
[07:18] <crimsun> for instance, mine's OPTIONS="-i eth1 -D ipw -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -w"
[07:18] <endo602>  ok
[07:18] <endo602> ipw?
[07:20] <crimsun> endo602: yeah, because I have an ipw-based wifi chipset
[07:20] <endo602> nice
[07:20] <endo602> ok
[07:20] <endo602> done
[07:20] <endo602> and done
[07:21] <endo602> should i change anything under network settings?
[07:21] <crimsun> well, have you edited /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf?
[07:22] <endo602> yes
[07:23] <crimsun> endo602: paste it onto kubuntu.pastebin (after sanitising it, e.g., removing the psk or keys)
[07:25] <endo602> arg
[07:25] <endo602> i cant copy and paste
[07:25] <endo602> because this is my desktip
[07:25] <endo602> and that is my laptop
[07:26] <jk-> ssh!
[07:26] <endo602> and right now the wireless aint working 
[07:26] <endo602> :(
[07:26] <jk-> wire!
[07:26] <jk-> :)
[07:26] <crimsun> endo602: the section that you need in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf is pretty short
[07:27] <crimsun> mine's essentially: network
[07:27] <endo602> yeak
[07:27] <endo602> i got that part
[07:27] <endo602> configed
[07:27] <endo602> to my key and ssid
[07:27] <crimsun> err, network={ ssid="the_ssid" psk=0xf00 }
[07:27] <endo602> mine says key_mgmt=
[07:28] <endo602> after ssid
[07:28] <crimsun> don't necessarily need that
[07:28] <endo602> ok
[07:29] <endo602> so just the ssid
[07:29] <crimsun> no, you need the key/psk, too
[07:30] <endo602> ok
[07:30] <endo602> added
[07:31] <endo602> done
[07:32] <ilba7r> I heared there were special ubuntu editions for some of HP notebooks anyone knows where can i find a link on that
[07:33] <endo602> now is there anything i need to do in network settings so i can get the internet running?
[07:34] <nalioth> ilba7r: breezy works just fine out-of-the-box on my HP dv1000
[07:35] <ilba7r> thanx nalioth i found the site http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/custom/hplaptops
[07:36] <ilba7r> the point is i am still searching for a replacement to my notebook that was busted and am specifically looking for one to run ubuntu on
[07:36] <endo602> i cant get rid of the WEP key fro my network settings
[07:36] <nalioth> ilba7r: um, there is a link on that very page
[07:36] <crimsun> endo602: don't worry about that
[07:37] <endo602> ok
[07:37] <crimsun> endo602: wpasupplicant supercedes all that
[07:37] <endo602> oh ok cool
[07:37] <endo602> so i should be able to connect
[07:38] <ilba7r> i am looking at it right now
[07:39] <crimsun> endo602: if you set everything correctly, yes
[07:39] <ilba7r> I waited a month an a half for my thinkpad to arrive and it did not arrive so am back to square one now :(
[07:39] <crimsun> endo602: I recommend you first invoke it from Konsole as such: sudo wpa_supplicant -i eth1 -D ipw -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -w
[07:40] <crimsun> endo602: add -dd to the end
[07:40] <endo602> ok
[07:42] <endo602> hmmm
[07:43] <crimsun> it should connect to your access point
[07:43] <crimsun> once that is successful, you need to request a dhcp lease
[07:43] <endo602> invalid PSK
[07:44] <endo602> failed to parse PSK
[07:44] <crimsun> are you in fact using a passphrase?
[07:44] <endo602> no
[07:44] <endo602> jus a shared key
[07:45] <crimsun> err, for WPA that's called a psk
[07:45] <endo602> ok cool
[07:45] <endo602> got that done
[07:45] <crimsun> endo602: I've found that sometimes you need to convert it to the hex representation
[07:45] <crimsun> endo602: you can use wpa_passphrase "ssid" "ascii passphrase"   for that
[07:46] <endo602> huh
[07:46] <endo602> im confused
[07:46] <endo602> i think i should stop trying to do these things at 2am
[07:48] <crimsun> ok, example: Suppose your ssid is "Foo" and your ascii passphrase is "Help me Obi-wan"
[07:48] <endo602> ok
[07:48] <crimsun> then you execute the following in a Konsole: wpa_passphrase "Foo" "Help me Obi-wan"
[07:49] <crimsun> you should get a network={} directive to place in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:49] <crimsun> the two important parameters are ssid= and psk=
[07:49] <crimsun> your ssid="Foo"
[07:49] <Mars> Hi
[07:49] <endo602> ok
[07:49] <crimsun> your psk=58b6252425d6ee4fe358e1076d1873fb85193816dc6682b586bb1dbbf23f3dbd
[07:50] <endo602> should i copy and paste?
[07:50] <Mars> I need helpo
[07:50] <endo602> into the conf now
[07:50] <crimsun> endo602: well, use your AP's ssid and your own psk, but yeah
[07:50] <endo602> of course
[07:50] <crimsun> it's vital that your PSKs match
[07:51] <endo602> ok
[07:51] <Mars> For a few minutes i will go to my friend and he asked me to install kuhbuntu on his PC. Problem is that he heas USB modem and i dont know how to do this. I mean i found way of installing it but i think kubuntu needs to download some packages during installation.
[07:51] <endo602> its working
[07:51] <endo602> ow i just have to fix this local ip issue
[07:52] <endo602> i never get a local ip set for my laptop
[07:52] <paulproteus|jhu> Mars, It doesn't have to download packages to install.
[07:52] <Mars> But i remember that when i was installing kubuntu, it downloaded some files
[07:52] <Chousuke>  but making his internet connection work may be difficult.
[07:53] <Chousuke> Mars: it will if it can, but it's not needed.
[07:53] <Mars> ok
[07:53] <KaoticEvil> how can i get the an apps PID from the shell?
[07:53] <Mars> Ok
[07:54] <endo602> crimsun is there something i can do that will get my router to assign my laptop a local ip?
[07:54] <Mars> So after i will install net i will be able to update it completly?
[07:55] <crimsun> endo602: as opposed to a globally addressable ip?
[07:56] <endo602> in my kwifimanager i get a signal and accesspoint but by local ip it says unavailible
[07:57] <crimsun> endo602: well if you can associate successfully with your AP, then you should start wpasupplicant the correct way
[07:57] <crimsun> you can kill it by pressing ctrl+c
[07:57] <crimsun> then ''sudo invoke-rc.d wpasupplicant restart''
[07:57] <endo602> ok
[07:58] <crimsun> then you can ''sudo ifup --force eth1''
[07:58] <crimsun> (presuming you have eth1 defined to use dhcp)
[07:58] <endo602> yeah
[07:58] <endo602> well its eht0 in my case
[07:58] <endo602> but it dhcp
[07:59] <endo602> says no dhcpoffers received
[08:00] <endo602> No working leases in persisten database - sleeping
[08:00] <crimsun> is your router's dhcp server enabled?
[08:00] <endo602> autoconfiguration DHCP
[08:00] <endo602> server enabled
[08:01] <crimsun> could you get a dhcp lease when you were not using encryption?
[08:02] <endo602> with wep i did
[08:02] <crimsun> is the router set to use wpa (not wpa2) with tkip?
[08:02] <endo602> yes
[08:03] <crimsun> sudo pkill dhclient
[08:04] <crimsun> oh, in /etc/network/interfaces, you should remove anything having to do with wireless
[08:04] <endo602> really?
[08:05] <crimsun> you should only have the line for your interface, i.e., iface eth0 inet dhcp
[08:05] <crimsun> well
[08:05] <endo602> would that make it useless for me to get internet anywhere else
[08:05] <crimsun> you can have other stuff
[08:05] <crimsun> like your lo and eth1, etc.
[08:06] <endo602> can i still get wireless connection with WEP encryption in my friends house
[08:06] <crimsun> if you don't want to edit /etc/network/interfaces, then you'll have to use ifconfig manually.
[08:06] <crimsun> sure
[08:06] <crimsun> sudo ifdown --force eth0
[08:06] <crimsun> then restart wpasupplicant
[08:07] <endo602> network is unreachable
[08:07] <crimsun> then ''sudo dhclient eth0''
[08:07] <crimsun> that's ok, just keep going to the next step
[08:07] <endo602> ok
[08:07] <endo602> nice
[08:07] <endo602> i got an offer
[08:08] <endo602> from 10.0.1.1
[08:10] <endo602> now i got a local ip
[08:10] <trinidad> need help with kubuntu startup.....I get this "KDE init could not initialize kdesu"....What does this mean and how can I fix this
[08:10] <endo602> but internet is now working
[08:12] <trinidad> also, no  matter what I change in Control Center, Theme, Style, Font, etc... it always stays the saem
[08:12] <trinidad> *same
[08:12] <trinidad> Nothing changes
[08:13] <trinidad> nothing is changing per Kcontrol
[08:13] <trinidad> !!!!
[08:13] <ubotu> trinidad: No idea
[08:14] <trinidad> ubotu, dam
[08:14] <ubotu> Not a clue, trinidad
[08:14] <jk-> did you click 'Apply' ?
[08:14] <trinidad> jk-, lol
[08:15] <trinidad> jk-, sure
[08:16] <trinidad> this is just wrong
[08:16] <trinidad> even menu titles don't center when I ask it to center the titles
[08:16] <trinidad> this is wierd
[08:16] <trinidad> i haven't turned on this box in about 4 months.  I just finished upgrading and updating packages and this happens
[08:16] <trinidad> I don't have this problem at work
[08:17] <trinidad> this is wierd
[08:17] <Mars> What i need to type to make kubuntu from ubuntu?
[08:18] <jk-> Mars: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:34] <chiron> my Konqueror toolbar got messed up somehow
[08:34] <chiron> now the buttons and the address bar are on two seperate lines
[08:34] <chiron> I don't know how to get it back to the way it was
[08:37] <jk-> drag the little spotty bits at the left-hand side of the toolbar/addressbar
[08:44] <ridz1> hello - anybody here using or have used kmail on kubuntu (breezy)?
[08:45] <insanekane> ridz1: i have
[08:45] <ridz1> ah - i cannot seem to access kmail - was it in the default install?
[08:46] <insanekane> yep
[08:46] <insanekane> ridz1: K -> Office -> Kontact
[08:47] <ridz1> ah thanks - have to get used to the layout of kubuntu
[10:00] <tokaok> allo
[10:04] <spiral> hi
[10:04] <ethanfel> hi:)
[10:08] <propagandhi> hi
[10:08] <propagandhi> hi
[10:08] <propagandhi> hi
[10:11] <raphink> oy
[10:11] <raphink> wb JoeBu 
[10:13] <JoeBu> ty
[10:13] <JoeBu> on wifi...so prob dropped out real quick
[10:15] <propagandhi> dammit when is RC1 gonna be released
[11:33] <andrzej> hi j have small problem- when j configure the buncing cursor for no busy cursor j save this and when j open control panel is a bouncing cursor and it is not changed 
[11:34] <manveru> andrzej: you have to restart the x-server i fear... (not sure about mouse-theming in general)
[11:35] <andrzej> how comand?
[11:36] <manveru> andrzej: just log out and press [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace] 
[11:36] <andrzej> ok
[11:36] <andrzej> thanks
[11:38] <andrzej> no succes
[11:38] <andrzej> this no help me
[11:38] <andrzej> is buncing cursor
[11:38] <manveru> andrzej: then i'm sorry, you have to keep on bouncing
[11:39] <andrzej> But it is not possible it uninstall?
[11:41] <andrzej> But it is not possible it uninstall
[11:41] <andrzej> ??
[11:41] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[11:41] <andrzej> sorry my english isn't good
[11:42] <andrzej> how uninstall buncing cursor
[11:42] <andrzej> ?
 when j reinstall kubuntu that help me?
[11:45] <manveru> andrzej: why on earth would you reinstall kubuntu because a cursor is bouncing?
[11:45] <andrzej> j:P
[11:45] <manveru> andrzej: is your normal cursor bouncing all the time?
[11:46] <andrzej> no
[11:46] <Snuffii> hi
[11:46] <manveru> andrzej: only while loading an application - right?
[11:46] <andrzej> when j start any program
[11:46] <andrzej> yes
[11:46] <manveru> andrzej: and this is annoying you so much?
[11:47] <andrzej> no
[11:47] <manveru> that's what i would call a definite no
[11:48] <Snuffii> is it possible to make some ntfs partitions from kubuntu install cd ?
[11:49] <nalioth> Snuffii: it is not possible to make ntfs partitions.
[11:49] <Snuffii> nalioth, and windows will read them ?
[11:50] <nalioth> Snuffii: you can NOT make ntfs partitions 
[11:50] <Snuffii> uh
[11:50] <dipnlik> Snuffii: Windows will read fat32 natively, and you can use software to copy files from ext2/3 to you Win partition
[11:53] <Snuffii> So if i need partitions for windows i need to make them from windows install cd ?
[11:54] <dipnlik> Snuffii: what do you really want to do?
[11:54] <dipnlik> Snuffii: dual boot?
[11:54] <dipnlik> Snuffii: if so, what do you have on your machine now?
[11:55] <Snuffii> dipnlik, no i need to make one more partition for wn
[11:56] <dipnlik> Snuffii: if the win partition needs to be read AND written from Linux, go for fat32. 
[11:58] <dipnlik> Snuffii: if you really need ntfs, then let windows do the repartitioning (and double check you have a boot floppy just in case something gets screwed up)
[12:09] <tous> hello
[12:16] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[12:16] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: howdy
[12:16] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  do you ever sleep? :P
[12:16] <nalioth> sleep?
[12:17] <KaoticEvil> spoken like a true geek! :) ^5 man
[12:23] <aeon17x> I bet nalioth is also a bot.
[12:23] <aeon17x> You know, like the ones in Alien.
[12:23] <nalioth> aeon17x: shhh. dont give me away
[01:13] <fruud> whats the cvs command to get amsn CVS version ? :$ 
[01:13] <Tm_T> err
[01:13] <Tm_T> why amsn?
[01:14] <Tm_T> use Kopete, kid
[01:14] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:14] <Tm_T> and no, I won't help you a bit with amsn
[01:15] <fruud> oh
[01:15] <fruud> ty :)
[01:15] <Tm_T> doh
[01:15] <Tm_T> so he doesn't need help with kopete either...
[01:16] <kubuntu_guy> hi guys
[01:16] <kubuntu_guy> how to join win98 machine to my samba server
[01:16] <Tm_T> hullo
[01:17] <jk-> you'll need quite a lot of gaffa tape
[01:17] <kubuntu_guy> my winxp and 200 already join my samba but on my win98 
[01:17] <Tm_T> does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba help ?
[01:19] <kubuntu_guy> no I already try it but no succesful
[01:19] <Tm_T> ok
[01:19] <Tm_T> sorry, I'm not familiar with samba
[01:21] <_root__> hi
[01:21] <chanweichung> hi
[01:21] <kubuntu_guy> k tm thanks
[01:23] <chanweichung> how to install LINUX???
[01:23] <Tm_T> _root__: small hint, don't irc as root ;)
[01:24] <Tm_T> chanweichung: err, what you mean?
[01:24] <dipnlik> chanweichung: burn a CD and boot your PC with it
[01:24] <chanweichung> so, how about the windows
[01:25] <dipnlik> chanweichung: you mean keeping your windows intact?
[01:25] <chanweichung> ya....
[01:25] <dipnlik> chanweichung: get some free and unpartitioned space on your HD then install Linux
[01:25] <nalioth> chanweichung: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:26] <chanweichung> so...i just put in the cd and install..is it ??
[01:27] <dipnlik> chanweichung: following the advice in the page nalioth pointed you t
[01:28] <ddh> is there a kmobiletools package for breezy?
[01:28] <dipnlik> I didn't know kubuntu installer came with a disk resizing tool, neat :)
[01:29] <chanweichung> ok, thank for ur help...
[01:29] <dipnlik> chanweichung: good luck
[01:29] <_guest> how to install the java in Linux
[01:30] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _guest about java
[01:36] <_guest> how to open cdrom
[01:37] <_guest> what commend for open cdrom?
[01:37] <_guest> what command for open cdrom?
[01:38] <Tm_T> eject?
[01:39] <dipnlik> Tm_T: he left, forget about it
[01:39] <Tm_T> yes, I know
[01:39] <_guest> hei
[01:39] <Tm_T> but it's part of "fun" to tellaswer after they leved
[01:39] <dipnlik> haha
[01:39] <Tm_T> or so
[01:39] <nalioth> of course it is, it educates the rest of us who are still here
[01:39] <Tm_T> can't type, more caffeine please ->
[01:40] <_guest> are u reply to me..
[01:40] <_guest> sorry l leave now
[01:40] <_guest> thanks ur welcome
[02:12] <volker> anybody can help me with this compileing error:http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4359
[02:14] <nalioth> volker: this method is easier http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79155&highlight=enlightenment
[02:15] <volker> nalioth: ive installed e17 with apt-get install
[02:15] <volker> but i wanna compile e17genmenu
[02:16] <nalioth> volker: did you add the e17 repos before you installed?
[02:17] <volker> yes
[02:17] <volker> ive installed enlightenment and enlightenment-data
[02:18] <nalioth> volker: did you follow that forum page?
[02:18] <volker> nalioth: yes
[02:18] <nalioth> strange. my e17genmenu compiled fine
[02:20] <volker> nalioth: it told me it cant find Engrave. But find -name 'Engrave.h' give me:/usr/include/engrave/Engrave.h
[02:20] <nalioth> strange
[02:34] <volker> nalioth: can u tell me where i can dowload your e17genmenu.deb?
[03:07] <GNAM> what's gksudo for kubuntu? ksudo?
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, IIRC
[03:09] <nalioth> kdesu
[03:09] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: wake up and drink more beer
[03:09] <nalioth> !kdesu
[03:09] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: :| i use Gnome
[03:10] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: so do i
[03:10] <nalioth> and enlightenment, and kde, and flux
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> know it all
[03:12] <nalioth> nope
[03:12] <nalioth> i wish i did
[03:12] <hussam> YAY, I'm getting an LCD screen today. Not more CRT :)
[03:13] <hussam> how would I go about reconfiguring X?
[03:13] <Snuffii> Someone using Thomson Speedtouch 510  router ?
[03:14] <hussam> do I boot to recovery mode and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[03:15] <hussam> what about Modeline in xorg.conf. how will it rewrite that line?
[03:15] <klaaner-libby> Hi :-) I have a question to KUbuntu's KDM. Every change I make to KDM with the control center is stored in /etc/kde3/kdm/... as I would expect it. But it seems like another login manager is started because nothing changes, no matter what I change in the config. How can I get the "normal" KDM?
[03:15] <dawid> yo all:)
[03:40] <sikor_sxe> hello
[03:41] <sikor_sxe> i have a problem with the wireless settings in kubuntu breezy
[03:42] <sikor_sxe> a) the network settings window in system settings is too large for my laptops 1024x768 display, i can't see the OK, Apply etc buttons - so i have do stuff blind
[03:42] <sikor_sxe> that's not a big hurdle, tho
[03:43] <sikor_sxe> the other problem is that when i try to enable my wlan0 card it enables it for about a second then disables it again
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> i have entered no WEP-key, since there is no encryption yet
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> just a SSID
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> i entered the right one
[03:45] <sikor_sxe> when i do "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "myessid" & "sudo dhclient wlan0" everything works fine :/
[03:45] <sikor_sxe> anyone got an idea what might be wrong?
[03:46] <sikor_sxe> maybe find some logs to tell what's missing?
[04:01] <Niomi> there are large blank spaces between my system tray icons.. it's taking up a lot of room.. how can I get rid of it?
[04:02] <nalioth> Niomi: right click on em and move em?
[04:03] <Niomi> right clicking brings up whatever menu the application has :/
[04:04] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[04:04] <nalioth> are we talking the kicker icons or the program buttons (of active programs)
[04:05] <Niomi> not sure if they are called kicker icons. but klipper et. al.
[04:07] <nalioth> Niomi: i'm not up on all the exact titles of the things
[04:08] <Niomi> nalioth: klipper is the clipboard application -- should i take a screenshot?
[04:09] <nalioth> no, i was just tryin to understand which things you were referring to
[04:12] <kkathman> Niomi: you are probably talking about the application icons
[04:12] <kkathman> are they located on the far left?
[04:13] <Niomi> i have them on the far right, actually, but they may be right by default. the windows equivalent had something simular right next to the clock, since that was what i'm used to I put it there.
[04:14] <Niomi> err, left by default, i meant. i should get some tea. o_o
[04:14] <kkathman> ahh ok these are the tray icons Im sure
[04:14] <kkathman> lol
[04:15] <Niomi> i have two of them, there's a bunch of empty space between the two, and some more empty space on the right. it takes up a lot of room i'd like for the taskbar :/
[04:15] <sproingie> spaces between the small icons themselves?  dont think there's anything you can do there.  something's probably putting blank icon in there
[04:15] <sproingie> you can drag the tray gripper to the right to get rid of the space on the right
[04:15] <kkathman> These are controlled under the System Settings -> Panel
[04:16] <kkathman> You also may need to make the tray/applet handles visible. This is done in that same area, by clicking on the Appearance tab, going to the Advanced Options and clicking Visible.
[04:17] <sproingie> kicker gets a good kick in 3.5, no?  i'd love to see smarter dragging of buttons
[04:17] <kkathman> sproingie: they are pretty smart now, just you have to know where to go
[04:18] <kkathman> Most people just use the defaults and there are lots of options there
[04:18] <sproingie> yep, it's buried.  smart means figuring it out without manual overrides
[04:18] <sproingie> tho at least kicker in 3.4 is more stable than it was in 3.3
[04:19] <kkathman> sproingie: yah it is a bit buried..but, I dont want it to be too smart. Cuz then you run the risk of it locating where you dont want it
[04:20] <kkathman> For instance I like my tray next to the app icons, and then put my open windows next to that
[04:20] <Flixor> was wondering i have a geforce 1 card is there support for this card 
[04:20] <Flixor> btw Hi kkathman 
[04:20] <kkathman> Hey Flixor !
[04:20] <kkathman> Flixor: you up to 100% now?
[04:20] <sproingie> i think the 2-line taskbar needs to go.  it screws the whole fitts law thing, makes you aim
[04:21] <Flixor> what do you mean kkathman to 100%
[04:21] <kkathman> Flixor: health wise :)
[04:22] <kkathman> and btw Flixor try this thread:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21554.html
[04:22] <Flixor> well i think so 
[04:22] <Flixor> still a little bit weak but its going good yes 
[04:22] <Flixor> :)
[04:22] <klaaner-libby> Hi :-) Seems like the default kubuntu installation uses UTF-8. How can I change de_DE-UTF8 to de_DE-ISO-8859-1?
[04:23] <Niomi> kkathman: here's a crop of my system tray: http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/530/sys3sr.jpg
[04:23] <sproingie> just noticed the clock has a weird default font.  "DejaVu Sans 16".  i don't even have that font
[04:23] <sproingie> it's defaulting to a plain sans
[04:24] <kkathman> Niomi: if you'll look at what I wrote up there, and experiment with those settings I think you'll get what you want
[04:26] <Niomi> kkathman: i looked through all the panel settings and i couldn't find anything for it.. i'm trying to load a screenshot with upped contrast (the handles are hard to see, but they're there) but i'm having trouble for some reason o_o
[04:29] <Niomi> okay, my browser was cacheing the page i was using to upload, so i used something else. sorry i'm so disorganised XD http://tinypic.com/fkzl9w.jpg
[04:30] <Niomi> hopefully that's easier to see.. i can move the whole tray around but not the individial icons
[04:31] <sproingie> not a custom theme, is it?
[04:31] <kkathman> Niomi: The settings in the Panel, should allow you almost infinite configuration of this
[04:32] <kkathman> Niomi: then you need only to move the tray where you want it using the handles
[04:32] <kkathman> Niomi: Adjust it using the percentage, or size
[04:33] <Niomi> you mean the settings for the whole toolbar? with the 'expand as required to fit contents' checkbox?
[04:33] <kkathman> Niomi: but it looks like you should be able to just grab the applet handles and move it right
[04:33] <Niomi> configure system tray only allows hiding of certain icons.
[04:33] <sproingie> that's checked by default on the tray.  it doesn't space the icons out
[04:33] <kkathman> Niomi: no...System Settings -> PANEL!!!
[04:34] <kkathman> not the whole toolbar
[04:35] <Niomi> i'm there! the only percentage i can find is the one for the toolbar. which is considered a panel, which is why it's in the panel settings.
[04:35] <kkathman> I think all you have to do is move the tray to the right
[04:35] <Niomi> when i move the tray to the right it keeps that space
[04:35] <sproingie> is the panel itself set to "expand as required"?  that might affect packing them together as well
[04:36] <Niomi> well, it's set to 100%, expand was checked but unchecking and applying doesn't make any difference :/
[04:37] <kkathman> Niomi: ok...so what happens if you just put your cursor over the tray applet handle, click and drag the tray to the right?
[04:37] <kkathman> you might want to leave it this way, BTW, because things like Superkaramba, kopete, and Kontact open tray icons down there
[04:38] <kkathman> you can always remove the tray completely too
[04:38] <sproingie> i suspect it won't pack the icons back back together ... i've never seen it expand them like that 
[04:38] <nalioth> kkathman is the man with the plan
[04:39] <sproingie> personally i'd rather like it if trays could lay out their contents and space them out evenly.  would come in handy for the app icons
[04:39] <sproingie> er s/trays/panels/
[04:40] <kkathman> nalioth:  :)
[04:40] <sproingie> bah.  gf spilled coffee on my mouse and now the left button is sticky.  wonder how to clean it
[04:41] <sproingie> spray solvent comes to mind ... it'll probably eat the plastic tho
[04:42] <kkathman> sproingie: from what I see, she only has 1 icon in her tray, but the panel will reserve some space in the tray space for other apps.
[04:42] <sproingie> it looked like there were two ... that gray rectangle
[04:43] <Niomi> kkathman, moving to the right retains the extra empty space on the right. i have two icons, one is the K for klipper and the other is just a square. the gray rectagle.
[04:43] <Niomi> compare: http://tinypic.com/fkzl9w.jpg moving to right --> http://tinypic.com/fkzos0.jpg
[04:45] <kkathman> Niomi: ok, lets do this then...place your cursor over the tray/applet handle and right click, this should give you an option to configure the tray. Open this and tell me what apps are checked
[04:45] <klaaner-libby> I have set the default LANG from de_DE.UTF8 to de_DE.iso-8859-15. Now everything works fine with X, but I have problems with the console: When I'm asked for a login name German Umlatus still work, but when I'm logged in, they don't. What must I do?
[04:46] <Niomi> visible icons: klipper, workrave tray icon. hidden icons: none.
[04:46] <kkathman> Niomi: note you can "hide" certain of these icons...I just want to know what that square is...I didnt notice it before because of the contrast of the screenshot
[04:46] <Niomi> yeah, i turned up the contrast too.. it's easier to see the way my monitor is set up
[04:48] <`Nomad> Hi.. I just added a second HD as slave to my installation..  Instead of doing it by hand at the console, I'd like to use the onboard GUI tools, what are they?  I tried the tool in the "System Settings" menu option but it doesn't seem to work on it unless I manually fdisk a partition on the disk first
[04:48] <kkathman> Please right click on the applet handle and choose "Configure System Tray"
[04:49] <Niomi> that's what i did. visible icons: klipper, workrave tray icon. hidden icons: none. i don't see any other options or tabs.
[04:49] <sproingie> `Nomad: not sure if managing partitions is in the settings... if you want something clicky, you could try qtparted
[04:50] <`Nomad> sproingie: Installing it now, thanks.. I want to see what's available for non-technical users :)
[04:50] <kkathman> Niomi: I dont know what "workrave" is, but you can try moving it to the hidden side.  
[04:51] <kkathman> Niomi: I think the tray is going to automatically reserve some space anyway, it may just be doing that
[04:52] <Niomi> when workrave is hidden klipper takes up a nice small amount of space, but when i click the little arrow it expands out again. workrave must be the problem
[04:52] <sproingie> i think workrave has some issues with its tray icon size
[04:53] <kkathman> Niomi: ya I dont know what Workrave is. But it might not be behaving properly
[04:54] <Niomi> blarg, what a pain. workrave is an application that kicks you off the computer and locks the screen, i have mine set for a ten minute break every forty-five minutes.. keeps my butt from getting sore :P gnome has something simular in keboard settings > typing break
[04:55] <Niomi> but workrave doesn't appear to be working correctly either. i need to mess with it some more.. blegh
[04:56] <Niomi> thanks for your time anyway, especially on such a silly problem.. >_< one of those peeves
[05:00] <kkathman> np
[05:04] <nalioth> Niomi: no problem is silly
[05:05] <Niomi> nalioth: thanks, as i've said before, you gurus have incredible patience.
[05:06] <nalioth> guru? is that a wild animal?
[05:11] <Niomi> nalioth: gurus are strange creatures, no one has quite been able to tame them. :P
[05:14] <kkathman> Have I said lately how much a F*g hate windows ??
[05:15] <kkathman> why is it that when they release a "security" update, it secures me from listening to anything by disabling my sound card?
[05:18] <nalioth> kkathman: sounds like one of those sony upgrades
[05:22] <Niomi> when i switched to linux from windows and set up my system monitor, i couldn't understand why my RAM meter displayed 800ish/1gig. i didn't know what linux could be doing that would be using all that memory. it took me forever to realise it was measuring the ran i had -free-.
[05:22] <nalioth> Niomi: linux is an experience you have to ,well, experience
[05:26] <andrzej> manveru j'll make reinstall and now j don't have fuc**g bouncing cursor:d
[05:27] <andrzej> sombady have a repository to gstreamer?
[05:27] <manveru> andrzej: you really did?
[05:27] <andrzej> yeah
[05:28] <andrzej> in 1,5 houer
[05:28] <andrzej> witch all configurations
[05:29] <andrzej> with*
[05:30] <andrzej> and have you repository to gsteramer package?
[05:31] <nalioth> andrzej: enable universe and multiverse repositories
[05:36] <andrzej> ok
[05:40] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:49] <Tm_T> !info firestarter
[05:49] <ubotu> firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 384 kB, Installed size: 1904 kB
[06:06] <Pinaraf> Hi
[06:06] <Pinaraf> when will we have KDE 3.5 rc1 packages for breezy ?
[06:07] <nalioth> Pinaraf: visit kubuntu.org and have fun
[06:07] <Pinaraf> I didn't find it a few hours ago
[06:07] <nalioth> Pinaraf: we have 3.5b2 available for guinea pigs
[06:08] <Pinaraf> KDE 3.5 rc1 is being propagated on the mirrors currently, and I don't see kubuntu packages with it
[06:08] <Pinaraf> when the beta2 was released, the kubuntu packages were provided
[06:08] <nalioth> Pinaraf: you have to add the testing repos
[06:12] <Pinaraf> nalioth: where can I find these testing repositories ? I searched on the wiki, but I didn't find
[06:13] <nalioth> kubuntu.org
[06:14] <Pinaraf> you already said it
[06:14] <nalioth> kkathman: are you present?
[06:14] <kkathman> yes
[06:14] <kkathman> wassup?
[06:15] <nalioth> kkathman: Pinaraf wants you to tell him wehre the kubuntu kde 3.5b2 repos is
[06:15] <Pinaraf> NO
[06:15] <Pinaraf> **RC1**
[06:16] <nalioth> Pinaraf: they are right next door to the b2 repos
[06:16] <kkathman> at kde.org or kubuntu.org
[06:16] <Pinaraf> I already have beta2 since weeks
[06:16] <kkathman> kde 3.5beta2 is a bad release with lots of probs.
[06:16] <nalioth> holy cow
[06:16] <kkathman> you have to downgrad the artsd
[06:17] <nalioth> Pinaraf: sorry dude, i misunderstood. too many numbers
[06:17] <kkathman> to get things to wrok
[06:17] <Pinaraf> lftp ftp.kde.org:/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-rc1> ls
[06:17] <Pinaraf> drwxr-xr-x    6 ftpuser  ftpgroup     4096 Nov 11 06:25 SuSE
[06:17] <Pinaraf> drwxr-xr-x    3 ftpuser  ftpgroup     4096 Nov 10 10:36 src
[06:17] <kkathman> ok so whats the issue then?
[06:17] <Pinaraf> no kubuntu package on kde.org
[06:17] <kkathman> Pinaraf: of course not...but they do have kde 3.5b2
[06:17] <kkathman> but you have that installed it seems
[06:17] <kkathman> SO>...I repeat...whats the issue
[06:18] <Pinaraf> I don't care about beta2
[06:18] <kkathman> ok
[06:18] <kkathman> neither do I :)
[06:18] <nalioth> kkathman: he wants the latest hot smokin kde 
[06:18] <kkathman> kde.org
[06:18] <Pinaraf> I'd like to know *when* rc1 packages will be available, because I'm fed up with some beta2 bugs
[06:18] <kkathman> KDE.org
[06:19] <kkathman> Pinaraf: you need to understand, this is Kubuntu....that doesnt mean support for KDE in general
[06:19] <yudi> does anyone know,.. how to turn on the telnet on kubuntu v5.04, so i can telnet my linux box, and use the konsole
[06:20] <kkathman> you want advanced RC candidates...the news and support is through KDE.org
[06:20] <Pinaraf> why aren't the kubuntu packages available yet ? when the beta2 folder was created on the ftp, the kubuntu packages was with it...
[06:20] <yudi> i try from windows telnet 192.168.1.200 (kubuntu), but error: Connect Failed
[06:20] <nalioth> yudi: dont use telnet, use ssh
[06:20] <Pinaraf> I know that, but the src is available, why aren't the kubuntu packages available like with every beta release I saw ?
[06:20] <kkathman> Because, brilliantly, the kubuntu people realized that the b2 was crap, and decided it was a bad idea to promote bad software
[06:20] <nalioth> Pinaraf: because our kde guy hasnt made em yet
[06:21] <Pinaraf> he is alone ?
[06:21] <kkathman> if you want to be on bleeding edge...you need to follow KDE.org...not kubuntu
[06:21] <kkathman> Pinaraf: it was a mistake to promote b2...so basically we lived and learned
[06:22] <Pinaraf> so if I want to test KDE 3.5 I have to recompile it ? If my friends are fed up with some KDE 
[06:22] <Pinaraf> some KDE 3.4 bugs, they have to wait ? (They want to test 3.5 too)
[06:23] <kkathman> pretty much yes
[06:24] <kkathman> Thats the price anyone pays, when they leave the support repos and go off on their own
[06:24] <kkathman> even with debs that might be available
[06:24] <kkathman> and there's no guarantee that they will compile
[06:24] <kkathman> its just the price you pay for that
[06:25] <MrAdnan> when i try to open  the adept it ask me for pass, i put my pass but it's wrong
[06:26] <MrAdnan> how i can regain or fix this ?
[06:26] <Pinaraf> kkathman: you consider beta2 == rc1
[06:26] <Pinaraf> rc1 must be almost stable
[06:26] <Pinaraf> you can also make packages available without promoting them !
[06:26] <kkathman> no
[06:27] <kkathman> Pinaraf: thats a bad policy actually and defeats the definitions of the repos
[06:27] <Pinaraf> why ?
[06:27] <clemux> hi
[06:27] <nalioth> howdy
[06:27] <yudi> nalioth: do i need to set something on linux? so i can use ssh..
[06:28] <Pinaraf> why aren't you providing these packages even in the dapper repositories ?
[06:28] <spiral> do you guys mean that even 3.5 final won't be packaged for breezy ?
[06:28] <nalioth> yudi: sudo apt-get install ssh 
[06:28] <yudi> nalioth: ok
[06:29] <dataangel> you can already get 3.5 beta 2 packages for kubuntu
[06:29] <Pinaraf> why are there some gnome 2.13 packages in the dapper repositories, while no KDE 3.5 is available
[06:29] <dataangel> which would hit that they should release final packages
[06:29] <dataangel> *hint
[06:29] <Pinaraf> dataangel: these packages are wrong
[06:29] <nalioth> Pinaraf: dapper is more then 5 months to completion
[06:29] <dataangel> Pinaraf: What packages are wrong? Why are they wrong?
[06:29] <Pinaraf> arts for instance
[06:29] <Pinaraf> it won't run at all
[06:29] <Pinaraf> and look at what kkathman said : no KDE 3.5 rc1 package
[06:30] <Pinaraf> that means no testing for KDE 3.5 in breezy any longer
[06:30] <dataangel> Pinaraf: If you mean the beta2 packages, they're not 'wrong' it's just buggy software. That's why it's beta.
[06:30] <Pinaraf> no
[06:30] <nalioth> Pinaraf: patience, friend
[06:30] <kkathman> Pinaraf: you can test anything you want in breezy...thats not what I said
[06:30] <Pinaraf> there is a kubuntu specific bug in arts
[06:30] <dataangel> Seems weird to have beta2 testing but not rc1 testin
[06:30] <Pinaraf> I'm using dapper
[06:30] <kkathman> if you want to get an RC when its ready...go for it
[06:30] <Pinaraf> the RC is ready
[06:30] <Pinaraf> look at suse : the packages are already available
[06:31] <spiral> kkathman: it won't be packaged for breezy ? so the people who tried kde 3.5beta2 with kubuntu packages won't be able to upgrade with them ?
[06:31] <spiral> really lovely politic...
[06:31] <spiral> :-
[06:31] <spiral> :-/
[06:31] <kkathman> spiral: I didnt say that...all I said was the if you wanted it early, before a kubuntu pkg was created, you'd have to do it yourself
[06:32] <spiral> kkathman: i don't want it early, but I want it packaged, as beta2 was...
[06:32] <spiral> that's all
[06:32] <spiral> and if possible, before KDE 4 release date
[06:32] <Pinaraf> and Suse packages are available, sources are available
[06:32] <dataangel> Pinaraf: A package made specifically for kubuntu isn't around yet as far as I know. And a dapper package isn't automagically compatible with breezy, that's why we have backports.
[06:32] <Pinaraf> there's no reason for kubuntu packages not to be available
[06:33] <Pinaraf> I'm on dapper on that computer
[06:33] <Pinaraf> and on breezy on my laptop
[06:33] <dataangel> Pinaraf: Except that no one has done it yet.
[06:33] <Pinaraf> dataangel: why ?
[06:33] <Pinaraf> beta1 packages were available
[06:33] <Pinaraf> beta2 packages were available
[06:33] <Pinaraf> why didn't the team release rc1 packages ?
[06:33] <nalioth> Pinaraf: when did rc1 release?
[06:33] <dataangel> Pinaraf: They just haven't. :P They maybe encountering a bug or other issue in the packaging process, the packaging maintainer maybe busy with something else, who knows
[06:34] <Pinaraf> nalioth: it's on the mirrrors
[06:34] <dataangel> rc1 released on the 9th
[06:34] <dataangel> or at least was supposed to
[06:34] <nalioth> Pinaraf: then it will be available for kubuntu shortly
[06:34] <Pinaraf> dataangel: I believed we had an open development process
[06:34] <nalioth> Pinaraf: feel free to d/l the source from kde.org and build it for us
[06:35] <dataangel> Pinaraf: Open development process doesn't mean we can all read minds ;)
[06:35] <Pinaraf> that means answers like "who knows" aren't answers !
[06:35] <spiral> nalioth: if I compile kde on my computer, this'll take at least a week, and I can't afford it
[06:35] <dataangel> Pinaraf: With some googling you could probably find out who the packager is, maybe he/she will even have a blog, and maybe there will be a posting about trouble packaging 3.5 rc1 ;)
[06:36] <nalioth> i can guarantee you guys, that if it's out, it's being built for breezy/dapper as we speak
[06:36] <Pinaraf> dataangel: package maintainer is "Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>"
[06:36] <Pinaraf> quite unusable
[06:36] <nalioth> patience
[06:36] <dataangel> Pinaraf: how is it unusable?
[06:36] <Pinaraf> unusable to find a blog
[06:36] <spiral> nalioth: 'hope you're true, & I'll wait for it
[06:37] <dataangel> Pinaraf: You just got a mailing list address. You could subscribe to it and read it.
[06:37] <Pinaraf> there's nothing about it in the archives of the mailing list
[06:37] <dataangel> Pinaraf: the point is, the packages will come. It's only been 2 days. It takes a fast machine 24 hours to compile KDE, not taking into account the time it takes to coordinate the qt/kde maintainers and diagnose any problems that have been run into.
[06:37] <PJeremy> what does fmask 0111 mean?
[06:38] <dataangel> Pinaraf: Unless you've paid somebody to work on the packages, I suggest you quit yer bitchin'
[06:38] <nalioth> dataangel is correct. it will be a few days b4 kubuntu pkgs show up
[06:39] <Pinaraf> I only want to know why ?
[06:39] <Pinaraf> Is that forbidden ?
[06:39] <nalioth> Pinaraf: you can always read the debian new maintainers guide and pkg them for us
[06:40] <dataangel> Pinaraf: I think you've been given plenty of why. If the process were anymore 'open' we'd have to design some sort of monitoring program to run on the maintainers machines that would measure how far along the compile process is and post it on a website. The time spent developing that would make the packages take longer to get here :P
[06:41] <dataangel> Pinaraf: Security and critical fixes also probably take priority over packaging beta software. Give 'em time
[06:43] <[Surge] > What's the trick to getting sources that are authenticated?
[06:43] <nalioth> ubotu: tell [Surge]  about gpgerr
[06:44] <[Surge] > Doesn't look like it's going to be helpful :)
[06:45] <Pinaraf> there isn't any "donate" link on the website... So how can I give money to kubuntu ?
[06:45] <[Surge] > Thank nalioth 
[06:46] <[Surge] > s/Thank/Thanks
[06:46] <nyx> hello
[06:47] <[Surge] > Pinaraf: No one seems to want any money :D
[06:47] <Otis> my box boots to a cmd line although it says "Starting K Display Manager : kdm" .... what's the problem ?
[06:49] <nyx> i've installed kubuntu 5.10 in my computer, but it doesn't start in the graphical mode. i'm a GREAT NEWBIE, and my english is awful, im sorry. what can i do?
[06:50] <Otis> heh, what a co-incidence ... looks like we ahve the same problem
[06:50] <Pinaraf> nyx: what is you graphic card ?
[06:50] <nalioth> nyx: que idioma?
[06:50] <Otis> except that I *have* been able to start the KDE desktop once before
[06:52] <PJeremy> can i just edit /etc/fstab for a fat32 to be rw with umask=000 ?
[06:52] <manveru> PJeremy: yeap
[06:53] <nyx> Pinaraf. nalioth. Espaol :) Creo que es una tarjeta de video genrica, on board. Ahora me fijo... S3 Graphics ProSavage?
[06:53] <ke> God
[06:53] <Pinaraf> I don't speak spanish
[06:53] <PJeremy> manveru: i thought so, i was just wondering because of the line in the wiki "user,auto,fmask=0111,dmask=0000" and i don't know what fmask is
[06:54] <manveru> PJeremy: well, the manpage to fstab should tell you that
[06:54] <nalioth> nyx: yo habla muy poquito espaol, vaya usted de #ubuntu-es o #ubuntu-br (por portugues)
[06:54] <manveru> PJeremy: ok, it doesn't...
[07:03] <kkathman> nalioth: thats not bad...good spanish :)
[07:03] <nyx> Ok, thanks anyway! :)
[07:03] <nyx> yeah ;D
[07:03] <nalioth> kkathman: good spanish where?
[07:04] <nisq> Can anyone help me.  I installed the Flash media to a 64bit version of ubuntu 5.10, set the *.so and .xpt in the plugins on firefox, now my firefox will not execute
[07:04] <nisq> kubuntu
[07:04] <nalioth> nisq: flash wont work in the 64bit ubuntu
[07:05] <nisq> I heard that, any solutions,  or do I need to install the i386 version...   Macro-media claims it works
[07:05] <nalioth> nisq: you wont like the solutions
[07:06] <nisq> just asking |)~    I may not like the solutions,  But I can handle a beating
[07:06] <nalioth> nisq: you'll need to get the 32bit firefox and run it and the flash in a 32bit chroot environment
[07:07] <nisq> thanks
[07:07] <nalioth> nisq: or dump the (not very user friendly) amd64 arch for 686
[07:07] <nalioth> dont get me wrong, amd64 arch is great for scientific or business use, but if you want to watch movies or listento music, it kinda sucks
[07:10] <fyrmedic> greetings
[07:10] <fyrmedic> anyone familiar with getting mp3's to work in amarok
[07:10] <fyrmedic> ?
[07:11] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: what is the problem
[07:12] <fyrmedic> jeroenvrp: I can't get amarok to open or recognize the mp3 level 3 files that I have. I tried using juk and it recognized them and moved them to the juk collection fut they won't play on either app.
[07:13] <jeroenvrp> ok
[07:13] <fyrmedic> I tried adept to find any plugins that I may be missing but to no avail.
[07:14] <jeroenvrp> did you uncomment universe
[07:14] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: do you have "mad" installed?
[07:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fyrmedic about mp3
[07:15] <fyrmedic> no, what is mad
[07:15] <fyrmedic> ?
[07:16] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: that is the codec you meed
[07:16] <nalioth> fyrmedic: follow the info ubotu just sent you
[07:16] <jeroenvrp> I think it sits in the universe repo
[07:16] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: what us the engine you are using in Amarok
[07:17] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[07:17] <fyrmedic> ubotu didn't send me anything.
[07:17] <ubotu> fyrmedic: Do they come in packets of five?
[07:17] <nalioth> fyrmedic: look to your private messages
[07:18] <fyrmedic> jeroenvrp: I have tried a couple of them so far. I just have the default install of kubuntu so far with the current upgrades
[07:19] <fyrmedic> I found the ubotu stuff
[07:19] <jeroenvrp> ok
[07:19] <jeroenvrp> follow me
[07:19] <nalioth> fyrmedic: follow that and then see what happens
[07:19] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: ok follow the  ubotu stuff
[07:19] <fyrmedic> I will give it a try. thanks guys.
[07:20] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: allthough you can also install amarok-xine and switch the engine in amarok to xine
[07:20] <jeroenvrp> that is just an extra tip
[07:21] <fyrmedic> jeroenvrp: how do I uncomment universe? I have seen it in gnome but cant find it in adept on KDE
[07:21] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: that is easy
[07:21] <jeroenvrp> 1 moment, i launch adept
[07:22] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: go to Adept-menu
[07:22] <jeroenvrp> firephoto: manage repos...
[07:22] <fyrmedic> ok I see now thanks
[07:22] <mactalla> This "Adept" that comes with Kubuntu, is that how I can install new packages as well?  I can't seem to find any option in it to search/install new pkgs, only updating currently installed pkgs.
[07:22] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: you're welcome
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> mactalla: there is a search function
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> on top 
[07:23] <mactalla> My apologies for the stupid question.  I just found out "Adept" and "Adept Updater" are different.  Had opened the wrong one.
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> mactalla: np
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> allthough I prefer Synaptic
[07:24] <fyrmedic> me too
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> I prefer it actually for one thing, and that is a better search option
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> quick filter is to fuzzy
[07:27] <kkathman> jeroenvrp: the quick filter is still adequate...and Adept is only the first release too...better things to come in the future Im sure
[07:27] <nisq> mactalla:  where can one read about adept - is there a user manual out there?
[07:28] <kkathman> I do like the way that kynaptic/synaptic divide the apps to categories tho
[07:28] <jeroenvrp> kkathman: I like the program, but Quick filter always give me to much results
[07:28] <[Surge] > Arg! Stupid sources thing
[07:28] <kkathman> jeroenvrp: right, I have frustrations in both actually
[07:28] <[Surge] > Why the heck are they never authenticated?
[07:29] <kkathman> authenticated??
[07:29] <coredump> ??
[07:29] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[07:29] <jeroenvrp> kkathman: In synaptic I can choose how I want to search and normally it is only on name
[07:29] <nalioth> ubotu: tell [Surge]  about gpgerr
[07:29] <kkathman> jeroenvrp: yep, but sometimes I dont know the name, and Im looking for something, and cant really decide what "category" its in
[07:29] <jeroenvrp> btw anyone knwos when KDE 3.5 RC1 will be available for Kubuntu?
[07:30] <[Surge] > Yeah I have patience but shouldn't it work after 2 days of trying?
[07:30] <kkathman> jeroenvrp: kde.org has this info
[07:30] <murtaugh> Does anyone know if there is an apt source for 2.6.14 kernel?
[07:30] <parax> hi!
[07:30] <kkathman> [Surge] : dont know what you are talking about
[07:30] <jeroenvrp> kkathman: ok, yes that is more a category thing, but I don't use those actually
[07:30] <parax> somebody knows if there is a deb package of wlassistant for kubuntu breezy?
[07:31] <jeroenvrp> kkathman: kde.org has no info yet
[07:31] <[Surge] > I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade and it keeps telling me about unvalidated packages
[07:31] <kkathman> jeroenvrp: its always good that we have multiple options...(s)(k)ynaptic/adept
[07:31] <[Surge] > About 2 pages full of packages not validated
[07:31] <jeroenvrp> but 3.5rc1 is on ftp.kde.org since this afternoon (eu-time)
[07:31] <mornfall> wibble
[07:31] <jeroenvrp> and the SuSE packages are allreafy there
[07:31] <kkathman> [Surge] : Im confused as to what you mean by "validated/unvalidated"
[07:32] <[Surge] > Need to get 563MB/692MB of archives.
[07:32] <[Surge] > After unpacking 522MB of additional disk space will be used.
[07:32] <[Surge] > Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[07:32] <[Surge] > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[07:32] <[Surge] >   linux-kernel-headers libc6-dev locales libc6
[07:32] <[Surge] > ...
[07:32] <[Surge] > ...
[07:32] <[Surge] > ..
[07:32] <[Surge] > 2 pages full
[07:32] <kkathman> [Surge] : please use pastebin, dont paste in the channel
[07:32] <[Surge] > Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?  
[07:32] <kkathman> [Surge] : what are you upgrading from and to?
[07:33] <[Surge] > Hoary to Breezy
[07:33] <kkathman> [Surge] : you did change your repos and do an apt-get update right?
[07:33] <Ahmuck> does kubuntu allow custom installation of disk partitions ?
[07:33] <[Surge] > Yes
[07:33] <gsnedders> if you download the install CD, does it need to download more packages off the web?
[07:34] <kkathman> and you have a full ubuntu core base?
[07:34] <[Surge] > Ahmuck: Yes.  "man mount" "man fstab"
[07:34] <[Surge] > kkathman: I have the last release of Kubuntu installed
[07:34] <nalioth> gsnedders: no and yes. it will run fine w/o an internet connection, but newer packages have become available
[07:34] <kkathman> [Surge] : there were some really nice "pre-conversion" notes at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[07:35] <gsnedders> nalioth: what version of KDE is on the CD?
[07:35] <Ahmuck> mount and fstab is after the fact isn't it ?  while kubuntu is installing i would like to format a /home partition i can install new without worring about upgrading, etc.
[07:35] <Ahmuck> that way i keep my custom configs and my data in my home directory untouched
[07:35] <[Surge] > Oh - yeah custom partitioning is in the installer
[07:35] <gsnedders> nalioth: 3.4.3?
[07:36] <[Surge] > I kept my old /home and only redid /
[07:37] <jeroenvrp> gsnedders: yes 3.4.3
[07:37] <kdude> hello!
[07:37] <kdude> any Samba gurus here?
[07:37] <jeroenvrp> [Surge] : seems like you didnt install the keys
[07:37] <jeroenvrp> I have a workaround for you
[07:38] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... I didn't know I had to install keys.
[07:38] <kdude> can somebody help me with samba please?
[07:39] <mactalla> nisq: I have no idea.  Just trying it out myself.  Couldn't find squat on the web, but it seems straight forward poking around at it.  No manual needed in my case.
[07:39] <jeroenvrp> [Surge] : forget what I said, I thought you could disable validation somewhere, but can't find it anymore (I used SuSE apt before)
[07:39] <[Surge] > kdude: Tell us your problem and someone may have an answer
[07:39] <jeroenvrp> [Surge] : those keys should install themselve
[07:39] <jeroenvrp> I thought
[07:40] <[Surge] > jeroenvrp: Yes they should - not all the packages are unverified
[07:40] <jeroenvrp> but I have no experience in upgrading hoary to breezy
[07:40] <[Surge] > And I see the GPG keys getting downloaded
[07:40] <[Surge] > Oh well I'll just say yes to everything :)
[07:40] <jeroenvrp> [Surge] : so maybe your sources.list is not valid somehow?!
[07:40] <nalioth> the gpg problem is on teh server side, not in your machines
[07:41] <kdude> [Surge] : I need to setup Samba as a PDC for a windowsPC to do some testing for my company.. 
[07:41] <jeroenvrp> aaaah
[07:41] <jeroenvrp> [Surge] : I think I know
[07:41] <jeroenvrp> had that once
[07:41] <kdude> [Surge] : I am using webmin.. but kinda lost..
[07:41] <jeroenvrp> what is your sources.list servername
[07:41] <kdude> am I missing something.
[07:41] <[Surge] > server name?
[07:41] <jeroenvrp> http://??.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[07:42] <jeroenvrp> what are the ??
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> [Surge] : anyhow you should remove the ??.
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> so you have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> do a apt-get update
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> and try again
[07:43] <[Surge] > archive.ubuntu.com  security.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> [Surge] : so no country prefixes>?
[07:43] <[Surge] > Nope
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> mm
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> [Surge] : sorry I'm out of options
[07:44] <[Surge] > I used the stuff that the bot listed
[07:44] <[Surge] > !repositories
[07:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[07:47] <PJeremy> crap...how difficult is a XP reinstall when kubuntu is already installed?
[07:47] <[Surge] > PJeremy: Depends on the partition/disk setup
[07:48] <troy> PJeremy: do you want to overwrite kubuntu, or install alongside?
[07:48] <PJeremy> troy: i just accidentally rm -r'ed it..
[07:48] <jeroenvrp> PJeremy: are you sure :-)
[07:48] <troy> PJeremy: assuming it's already got a partition handy and ready to go, not too hard
[07:49] <PJeremy> i was sure i had unmounted the partition, wanted to mount it in a different directory and rm -r the old directory..
[07:49] <troy> PJeremy: the only issue you might have is with the boot loader 
[07:49] <PJeremy> apparently it didn't unmount it in the old directory..
[07:50] <PJeremy> jeroenvrp: well, yes, since games with wine/cedega aren't that great...
[07:50] <[Surge] > But reloading the bootloader shouldn't be much of a hassle as long as you have the Kubuntu CD to boot off.
[07:50] <jeroenvrp> PJeremy: :-) ah, I don't play games
[07:50] <fyrmedic> jeroenvrp: got the mp3's working fine. Thanks
[07:50] <PJeremy> jeroenvrp: i only do when a friend comes over
[07:51] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: great :-)
[07:51] <PJeremy> [Surge] : yea i do.
[07:51] <jeroenvrp> fyrmedic: I advise to use Xine as the Amarok engine btw
[07:52] <PJeremy> jeroenvrp: why not gstreamer?
[07:52] <PJeremy> jeroenvrp: personal preference?
[07:53] <jeroenvrp> PJeremy: gstreamer sometimes is not so stable is my personal experience and sometime you also must do a gstr-register and taht is annoying
[07:53] <jeroenvrp> but that was on SuSE
[07:53] <jeroenvrp> and Xine is the fastest and most lightwight
[07:53] <jeroenvrp> eight
[07:53] <jeroenvrp> weight :-(
[07:54] <[Surge] > PJeremy: If you lose the boot loader
[07:54] <PJeremy> jeroenvrp: ah okay, haven't had a problem with either yet.
[07:54] <[Surge] > Stick in CD and use one of the admin/rescue modes (not sure what it's called)
[07:54] <[Surge] > Then reinstall the bootloader like so : grub --install /dev/hda
[07:54] <jeroenvrp> PJeremy: in the past Xine was limited, but not anymore
[07:57] <PJeremy> i just don't get it, it said that hda1 wasn't mounted..yet it just removed everything..
[08:02] <chakie> can k3b copy an encrypted dvd? ie. a normal movie?
[08:02] <[Surge] > PJeremy: What does "df" say?
[08:02] <chakie> it just says "can not copy encrypted dvd"
[08:05] <nalioth> chakie: then it can't
[08:06] <chakie> nalioth: ok
[08:07] <murtaugh> I've compiling the 2.6.14 kernel and im using this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56835, I'm doing a make oldconfig and its automatically selecting processor type etc. I want to change those. Is that something i'll be able to change in a menu later on?
[08:07] <PJeremy> [Surge] : /home /boot / 
[08:08] <_brad> is there a vnc viewer in the default install of Kubuntu
[08:08] <[Surge] > PJeremy: It can't say that little
[08:09] <[Surge] > It should show the mount points and device names together
[08:09] <[Surge] > Example  : /dev/hda5            149027164 112536304  36490860  76% /home
[08:11] <PJeremy> [Surge] : yes, i just shortened it to that here because the rest isn't that important is it
[08:11] <PJeremy> [Surge] : i mean regarding the non-existance of hda1..
[08:13] <kkathman> is there a specific way to know what version of a package I would be installing if I d/l using apt-get?  I can do an apt-cache, but I'd like to know the version also.
[08:13] <v-dogg> evening
[08:15] <nalioth> kkathman: apt-cache show pkgnname
[08:16] <kkathman> thx
[08:16] <kkathman> the man pages on apt-cache indicate there is a -v option but it doesnt work
[08:17] <PJeremy> [Surge] : did you get the query?
[08:17] <kkathman> wow gambas in our repos is like 9 revisions behind :(
[08:18] <v-dogg> there's no ubuntu mini-cd available, is there?
[08:19] <v-dogg> s/ubuntu/kubuntu/
[08:20] <hussam> is there a kde/QT3 based alternative to inkscape? I don't want to install inkscape
[08:20] <raphink> I don't know anything better than inkscape in its field hussam 
[08:22] <hussam> oh
[08:22] <raphink> you might look on kde-apps though
[08:23] <kkathman> hey there raphink :)
[08:23] <raphink> hi kkathman 
[08:24] <raphink> hussam: have a look at MyDraw http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26084
[08:25] <raphink> oh well sorry mydraw is java
[08:26] <hussam> hmm..
[08:28] <raphink> nothing else I can find on kde-apps hussam 
[08:29] <hussam> me neither, I looked
[08:29] <raphink> inkscape is a really good program though
[08:30] <[Surge] > raphink: Yes but the only thing is neither it nor any other Linux app can render SVG text 100% correctly to a raster image
[08:31] <raphink> hmm so?
[08:31] <[Surge] > Try render text on a path to a PNG in inkscape, ksvg, etc. :)
[08:31] <[Surge] > They all battle
[08:31] <raphink> mhm
[08:32] <[Surge] > But otherwise I love SVG
[08:32] <raphink> you can't compare svg and png
[08:32] <raphink> they are not the same kind of formats
[08:32] <raphink> not intended for the same jobs
[08:34] <[Surge] > No but if you're using SVG to create something that you want to use on a 3D model it's important
[08:34] <[Surge] > I create stuff in SVG and then render to a PNG and use it on 3D models in Blender
[08:34] <raphink> mhm
[08:35] <[Surge] > I'm not comparing the format - just saying that the rendering of SVG to a raster image is very "funky"  :)
[08:35] <[Surge] > i.e. Doesn't always work as advertized
[08:35] <[Surge] > Anyway a bit OT - back to Kubuntu!  :D
[08:55] <Praetor> hallo
[09:04] <takmadeus> greetings
[09:04] <takmadeus> I have a question
[09:04] <takmadeus> it is about Kppp
[09:05] <takmadeus> I installed Kubuntu 5.10 and installed as well the drivers for my intel 536 ep modem
[09:05] <takmadeus> now, the fact is that the only way for me to connect is to use pon or poff
[09:06] <takmadeus> because kppp won't create some "lock file"
[09:06] <takmadeus> and if I do not use the lock file, it will not find my modem
[09:07] <takmadeus> now, how can I get kppp to work?
[09:07] <takmadeus> thanks in advance
[09:20] <jatos> hi
[09:20] <jatos> me has a problem with kaffeine
[09:21] <jatos> installed w32 codecs, but it won't play mp3's or WMA's
[09:22] <kkathman> jatos what engine are you using in kaffeine?
[09:22] <gdh> jatos: install kaffeine-xine 
[09:22] <kkathman> yah exactly
[09:22] <kkathman> sudo apt-get install kaffeine-xine
[09:22] <kkathman> then change your engine
[09:23] <kojak> how do i tell what version of kubuntu i have
[09:24] <gdh> kojak: look at Help -> About KDE on any application
[09:24] <gdh> tell us what version of KDE you have
[09:24] <kojak> my task menu says kubuntu 5.4
[09:25] <gdh> well 5.04 is hoary :)
[09:25] <kojak> how can i update to breezy
[09:26] <Lord_Athur> hi
[09:26] <gdh> I don't actually know, I kinda fudged my own one - not sure what the 'right way' is
[09:26] <gdh> doubtless the wiki or google will  know :)
[09:26] <kkathman> kojak:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[09:26] <osh> kojak: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the word "hoary" with the word "breezy". That's what I did and it worked great.
[09:26] <gdh> or kkathman will :)
[09:27] <kkathman> gdh wiki above is great
[09:27] <kojak> ok
[09:27] <osh> and then do an "aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade".
[09:27] <kojak> thanks
[09:27] <kojak> osh thats all u did?
[09:27] <kkathman> osh he needs to do the pre-upgrade things too
[09:27] <kkathman> just to make sure
[09:27] <osh> kkathman: I didn't but I'm no expert.
[09:28] <osh> kojak: listen to kkathman. He probably knows more than me. I'm a gentoo-fugitive.
[09:28] <osh> s/fugitive/refugee/g
[09:28] <kkathman> osh - 90%  of the time just changing the repos and upgrade/dist-upgrade is enought
[09:28] <kkathman> but if you make sure the other things are there, it will be 100%
[09:29] <kkathman> kojak:  just follow that page I sent
[09:31] <osh> isn't firefox a part of breezy or have I done some weird things to my repos?
[09:31] <mmport81> it is
[09:31] <mmport81> they changed the name
[09:31] <mmport81> to mozilla-firefox
[09:31] <mmport81> or just firefox
[09:31] <mmport81> or something
[09:32] <osh> my bad. I trusted the gui. now I have all the repos enabled.
[09:32] <mmport81> konq is cool tho - try out konq for a while, u'll be pleasantly surprised
[09:32] <sambagirl> my launch panel was on top but now it is on the side and HUGE what can i do to get it back to the top and normal size?
[09:33] <osh> mmport81: I know. I just convinced my bank to support mozilla. I don't think I can get them to support another browser... ;-)
[09:35] <mmport81> :)
[09:37] <mmport81> sambagirl: right click the launch panel, then u should have "control panel configuration..." (not sure, my kde is in indonesian / german at the mo)
[09:37] <sambagirl> i cant
[09:37] <mmport81> start up control panel
[09:37] <sambagirl> it is to big and all it does is launch the applicatoins see?
[09:38] <sambagirl> where is that?
[09:38] <mmport81> press alt+f2
[09:38] <mmport81> type in kcontrol
[09:38] <LjL> sambagirl: by "launch panel" you mean just the KDE panel?
[09:39] <kyr0> hi, the german translation of breeze sucks ;)
[09:39] <mmport81> then desktop settings > panels
[09:39] <sambagirl> the thing on the top of the thing. you know? 
[09:39] <mmport81> i'm not german so the suckiness goes over my head ;)
[09:40] <sambagirl> where the life thing is and the earth and mozilla and evolutio was
[09:40] <kyr0> kde translations etc. are very bad and really unsuccessful...
[09:40] <sambagirl> now it's gone too
[09:40] <LjL> yeah, i'm italian but always prefer to use everything in english. terms and phrases are usually much clearer, and at least not totally wrong like they sometimes are in translations
[09:41] <kyr0> hmm i'm searching for the problem ;) is it a problem of the kubuntu packages ir a probem of the german translation team of kde?
[09:41] <mmport81> kyr0: i have also heard chinese complaining about windows translations, so kde isn't alone...
[09:41] <LjL> i'm definitely not thinking only about KDE
[09:41] <sambagirl> is there anyway to undo the last 5 things ?
[09:41] <sambagirl> i have no idea what i even did
[09:42] <mmport81>  sambagirl: just keep on messing around with those panel options etc
[09:42] <mmport81> you should get it sooner or later
[09:42] <kyr0> LjL: hmm.. thats right but my english skills are not the best so i'm getting very tired by the time... and thats bad if you want to work ;)
[09:43] <mmport81> i think smabagirl is coming up against KDE's dreaded usability problems
[09:44] <sambagirl> oh this is bad
[09:44] <sambagirl> bad bad bad
[09:44] <mmport81> maybe novell was right to concentrate on gnome ;)
[09:44] <sambagirl> ahh
[09:44] <sambagirl> this is yes
[09:44] <mmport81> got it?
[09:44] <sambagirl> i think that is for handicapped?
[09:44] <LjL> yeah i suppose so. but anyway, it's a very worthwhile investment to learn good english, i mean, most of the useful stuff on the Internet is in english... i'm at university, and books tend to be more and more in english
[09:44] <mmport81> hehe
[09:44] <sambagirl> that must be it
[09:44] <sambagirl> they are HUGE
[09:44] <mmport81> they?
[09:44] <sambagirl> how i change this?
[09:45] <sambagirl> yes gnome help and mozilla and the others are on side of monitor and taking up 1/3 of my screen!
[09:45] <mmport81> ok do you have any bars on your desk top at all now?
[09:45] <sambagirl> i cannot have this!
[09:46] <mmport81> try right clicking on the bar, have u got any options?
[09:46] <kyr0> hmm, btw: whats with the mp3 support in kubuntu?
[09:46] <LjL> !mp3
[09:46] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[09:46] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - click away:)
[09:47] <sambagirl> i see a foot, Applications, Places, System all crunched together into that 1/3 where as before it as all across the top like you have on the bottom.
[09:47] <kyr0> i know but it NEED it =)
[09:47] <mmport81> err
[09:47] <mmport81> hold on
[09:47] <mmport81> u see a foot?
[09:47] <LjL> kyr0: you can get it, read that page
[09:47] <mmport81> and gnome help?
[09:47] <mmport81> are you sure u r using kde?
[09:47] <kyr0> LjL: good idea *g ;)
[09:48] <sambagirl> yes i installed kde
[09:48] <sambagirl> i have konquerer and a bunch of k type things
[09:48] <sambagirl> this is NOT funny lol
[09:48] <mmport81> what does your "start" menu button look like?
[09:49] <sambagirl> what start button?
[09:49] <LjL> the "K" button where you start programs from
[09:49] <sambagirl> what k button?
[09:49] <sambagirl> i have a foot
[09:49] <mmport81> you are using gnome
[09:49] <LjL> oh that's gnome then
[09:50] <mmport81> you have prob installed kde and gnome
[09:50] <sambagirl> i installed kde
[09:50] <sambagirl> i updated to kde
[09:50] <mmport81> yeh
[09:50] <mmport81> but youre system is starting gnome by default
[09:50] <sambagirl> this is a mess
[09:50] <kyr0> LjL: fine, i think will get mp3 playig... thx btw ;)
[09:50] <mmport81> don't worry!
[09:50] <mmport81> emmm
[09:50] <mmport81> you have a foot right?
[09:51] <sambagirl> i have 2 feet
[09:51] <LjL> kyr0: no problem. the line that tells you to install the gstreamer plugins should do the trick without anything else, probably
[09:51] <mmport81> best thing to do
[09:51] <mmport81> is log off
[09:51] <sambagirl> compuiter has 1
[09:51] <mmport81> and when you have to sign in again
[09:51] <sambagirl> but then i will lose all my channels and servers in xchat
[09:51] <mmport81> look for a session menu
[09:51] <sambagirl> this computer has been on for weeks.
[09:52] <mmport81> or some similar option which has kde in it
[09:52] <kyr0> LjL: yes i think so too... perhaps i can get amarok playing mp3 while setting amaroks backend to gstreamer..
[09:52] <mmport81> just logout
[09:52] <sambagirl> i have to get rid of this big thing first
[09:52] <mmport81> u don't have to restart or anything
[09:52] <mmport81> wait
[09:52] <sambagirl> but i will lose my xchat connections 
[09:52] <LjL> kyro0: that's what i've done, and i recall it worked. amarok is set to use gstreamer by default. but i'm using it with just aRts now, as gstreamer was horribly slow for some reason
[09:52] <kyr0> LjL: cool, works =)
[09:52] <mmport81> if u logout, you will be able to find an option where u can login to kde
[09:52] <sambagirl> brb
[09:53] <kyr0> LjL: arts... 
[09:53] <sambagirl> oh really?
[09:53] <mmport81> yeh
[09:53] <mmport81> and all will be well :)
[09:53] <sambagirl> so that is the sacrafice?
[09:53] <mmport81> yup
[09:53] <kyr0> LjL: i had and have always problems with arts *g... 
[09:53] <LjL> kyr0: well arts sort of works on my machine right now, but i definitely wouldn't swear it'd work on yours =)
[09:53] <LjL> or, just try direct alsa output
[09:53] <sambagirl> i lose all my connections to various servers on irc but i "MAY" see an option to logon with kde
[09:53] <mmport81> u *should* be able to
[09:53] <sambagirl> haha
[09:54] <sambagirl> haha
[09:54] <mmport81> i have no experience with gnome, but last time i used it there was an option, at the login
[09:54] <sambagirl> drat
[09:54] <sambagirl> this truely is dreadful
[09:54] <LjL> yeah, there is an option in GDM. don't remember though
[09:54] <sambagirl> oh god
[09:54] <mmport81> yeh do it
[09:54] <mmport81> there is an option
[09:54] <kyr0> LjL: arts without suid bit setted is the pure hell... arts with suid bit settet is the real hell if it crashes....
[09:54] <mmport81> 99.99% sure
[09:54] <LjL> but, if she does "dpkg-reconfigure kdm", she should be able to chose KDM for a display manager instead of GDM
[09:54] <sambagirl> is there a way to save my xchat settings and stuff?
[09:54] <LjL> that'd make it easier
[09:55] <mmport81> err
[09:55] <mmport81> use kopete - that's the kde one
[09:55] <sambagirl> there is 154 users in this channel and only mmport81 can offer thoughts?
[09:55] <mmport81> has all IM networks built in
[09:55] <LjL> kyr0: i need ubuntu (and possibly gnu/linux in general) needs a good tidying up as far as audio is concerned
[09:55] <sambagirl> ahh
[09:55] <sambagirl> let me try that
[09:55] <mmport81> go for it:)
[09:55] <sambagirl> dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:55] <sambagirl> right?
[09:56] <mmport81> yeh
[09:56] <Riddell> konversation is the KDE irc client
[09:56] <mmport81> u can do that too
[09:56] <kyr0> LjL: i think we need a REAL STABLE kernel in 2.6 tree...
[09:56] <mmport81> if u go into a console window
[09:56] <LjL> sambagirl: it's not quite like everyone here is looking at their screen.... or knows  all things about (k)ubuntu
[09:56] <mmport81> and: sudo dkpg-reconfigure kdm
[09:56] <sambagirl> dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:56] <sambagirl> ok ljl
[09:56] <sambagirl> i know
[09:57] <mmport81> kyr0: think you're right, why had linus had to change from 2.4 dev style...
[09:57] <mmport81> :S
[09:57] <jatos> kojak
[09:57] <jatos> open /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:58] <jatos> then see which versions repos's its set to use
[09:58] <jatos> ignore that...
[09:58] <LjL> sambagirl: mmport81 is right though, you should prefix "sudo" before the command
[09:58] <jatos> I was reading a message way back... goes read
[09:58] <jatos> *red
[09:58] <sambagirl> ok so now what?
[09:58] <sambagirl> it idd it
[09:59] <sambagirl> it's still the same
[09:59] <mmport81> hmm hmm
[09:59] <kyr0> mmport81: dont know... i'm waiting for hurd *smile
[09:59] <sambagirl> this is like the handicapped thing HUGE like, see?
[09:59] <LjL> well, if you restart X-Windows, you'll have KDM showing up instead of GDM... and, there, i'm sure there is a "Session" button wher eyou can chose KDE
[10:00] <mmport81> sambagirl: restart, is prob easiest
[10:00] <mmport81> sambagirl: or you can logoff, but you will still see gdm
[10:00] <sambagirl> i still see that foot
[10:00] <sambagirl> ok brb
[10:00] <mmport81> yeh - you will see it
[10:00] <mmport81> until you logoff or restart
[10:01] <sambagirl> how can i shut it down, i cannot see it now
[10:01] <sambagirl> becazuse of this huge thing on the side
[10:02] <LjL> sambagirl: have you ever used a text-mode console?
[10:02] <mmport81> press ctrl-alt-del - should shut you down - or guys is that right?
[10:03] <chiron> KDE system guard just shows a bunch of random numbers
[10:03] <chiron> and I can't unmount my network drive
[10:03] <LjL> mmport81: in KDE, that does show a logout dialog
[10:03] <chiron> what the hell is going on?
[10:03] <mmport81> or you can just press the off switch on your comp
[10:03] <kyr0> wow, fine, kubuntu is the first distribution with a stable amarok version =)
[10:04] <mmport81> - not all that dangerous in linux - compared to windows
[10:04] <LjL> sambagirl: you can  1) press ctrl+alt+f1, and that will get you to text-mode  2) type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" , and that will close X   3) type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start", and that should reload X with KDM
[10:04] <LjL> sambagirl: but note that after step 2, you won't be connected to IRC or have a graphics environment anymore, until step 3
[10:04] <mmport81> (to get back to graphical mode ctrl-alt-f7)
[10:05] <gdh> LjL: If gdm is set as the default login manager, starting kdm's init.d script will only display 'kdm is not the default login manager' or similar.
[10:05] <LjL> gdh: i think she's done dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[10:05] <gdh> it's easiest to do apt-get remove gdm ... then kdm will become the default
[10:05] <gdh> ah cool
[10:05] <mmport81> yeh she has - 
[10:05] <gdh> I only just sat down :)
[10:05] <LjL> yeah, uninstalling gdm could also be an easy option, anyway
[10:05] <mmport81> yeh true
[10:06] <mmport81> sambagirl: sudo apt-get remove gdm
[10:06] <gdh> "* sambagirl has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))"
[10:06] <LjL> yep :)
[10:06] <mmport81> looks like she did something anyway :)
[10:07] <LjL> s'pose so
[10:07] <mmport81> anyway, what do you guys think about novell?
[10:07] <LjL> know zilch bout it
[10:07] <mmport81> in a way i think it make focus kde minds
[10:08] <mmport81> i've been using kde for 3 years, and konq still confuses the shit out of me
[10:08] <gdh> Novell are a business - it is stupid to split effort on two projects trying to achieve the same goal.
[10:08] <ubuntu> blueyed: Wie war noch der Channel?
[10:08] <mmport81> yeh true
[10:08] <sambagirl> same problem
[10:08] <mmport81> ok wait
[10:08] <sambagirl> can i send the snapshot to someoen to look at to help me?
[10:08] <mmport81> yeh sure
[10:08] <LjL> not to me, i cannot take DCCs
[10:09] <gdh> does kubuntu.pastebin.com take binaries?
[10:09] <sambagirl> ok maybe mmport can explain what is my problem.
[10:10] <sambagirl> it's waiting form you mmport81
[10:10] <mmport81> ok
[10:10] <mmport81> do this
[10:10] <mmport81> sudo apt-get remove gdm
[10:11] <sambagirl> look at picture first please
[10:11] <sambagirl> type sudo apt-get remove gdm
[10:11] <sambagirl> right?
[10:11] <mmport81> i can't see it
[10:11] <mmport81> yep in console
[10:11] <v-dogg> how can I configure Win-key to open K Menu? 
[10:12] <sambagirl> see now?
[10:12] <LjL> v-dogg: hmm settings, regional and accessibility, hotkeys
[10:12] <LjL> i think
[10:12] <LjL> v-dogg: no, sorry, that's wrong
[10:13] <mmport81> kcontrol > regional & accessability > khotkeys
[10:13] <mmport81> sambagirl: no i couldn't receive the pic
[10:13] <LjL> v-dogg: settings, regional and accessibility, keyboard shortcuts
[10:14] <LjL> mmport81: he can probably do it that way too, but it's uselessly complicated
[10:14] <mmport81> sambagirl: jut follow my instruction
[10:14] <mmport81> LjL: apt-get remove gdm complicated?
[10:14] <LjL> v-dogg: in there, just change the "popup launch menu" key
[10:14] <LjL> mmport81: no, i was talking about the menu hotkey
[10:14] <mmport81> LjL: she already installed kdm, removing gdm shouldn't be tricky
[10:14] <mmport81> oh right sorry
[10:15] <sambagirl> ok it is uninstalling 
[10:15] <LjL> gotta go, cya
[10:15] <mmport81> bye
[10:15] <sambagirl> ok it's gone
[10:15] <mmport81> alright
[10:15] <mmport81> now
[10:15] <mmport81> listen carefully
[10:15] <v-dogg> where can I find settings :)
[10:15] <mmport81> after you reboot
[10:15] <mmport81> b4 you login
[10:16] <mmport81> you have to look for a session menu
[10:16] <v-dogg> roger, thanks
[10:16] <mmport81> hold will have a look at mine, to b sure
[10:17] <mmport81> sambagirl: ok, you have to click on the "session type" menu
[10:17] <sambagirl> ok
[10:17] <mmport81> sambagirl: and slect "kde", *b4* you login
[10:17] <sambagirl> ok
[10:17] <mmport81> session type > kde
[10:17] <sambagirl> that is it?
[10:17] <mmport81> good luck :)
[10:17] <sambagirl> ok
[10:17] <mmport81> yeh should be
[10:17] <sambagirl> chao
[10:18] <Riddell> mmport81: if she doesn't came back we're holding you responsible :)
[10:18] <mmport81> hehehe :)
[10:19] <mmport81> if she does - one more recruit for me ;)
[10:21] <Knowerrors> can anybody help me get mp3 support going?  I already have w32codecs installed and tried both kaffiene and amarok, nada
[10:22] <Riddell> !mp3
[10:22] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[10:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - click away:)
[10:22] <Riddell> Glin|Jol: are you a bot?
[10:22] <mmport81> Knowerrors: have you tried: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[10:23] <Knowerrors> no, will look at both, thx
[10:23] <gdh> Riddell: amen, and we didn't give a shit what it was listening to anyway :)
[10:24] <Riddell> gdh: watch your language boy, (I have ops!)
[10:25] <Knowerrors> mmport81: already followed that
[10:25] <mmport81> didn't work?
[10:25] <gdh> It's at least after the watershed in the UK :)
[10:25] <mmport81> follow the link they other guys suggested
[10:26] <Knowerrors> yeah, I already did both of those things, didn't help :(
[10:26] <mmport81> hmmm hmmm
[10:27] <mmport81> i've done mine so long ago can't remember
[10:29] <Knowerrors> ** Message: could not link audio/x-raw-int, endianness=(int)1234, signed=(boolean)true, width=(int)16, depth=(int)16, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2
[10:29] <Knowerrors> thats what kaffeine gives me when I try to play mp3
[10:30] <mmport81> try amarok
[10:30] <mmport81> (best music player anyways)
[10:30] <gdh> or dare I say it, beep-media-player  ? It plays music files and doesn't try to be a 'media library' :)
[10:31] <mmport81> gdh: have u given amarok a good go - it is Amaaazing...
[10:31] <gdh> I use GNOME these days - I just like this channel :)
[10:31] <gdh> (I did, and I was unimpressed)
[10:31] <mmport81> really?
[10:32] <Knowerrors> amarok no good either
[10:32] <mmport81> i like it over itunes and anything else - just packed full of good ideas
[10:32] <Knowerrors> plus worn't let me read the error
[10:33] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: the only way I've had good luck with amarok or kaffeine is to use the xine engine.
[10:33] <murtaugh> is there anyone who can help me with a simple driver patch question?
[10:34] <mmport81> murtaugh: you can ask - can't promise
[10:34] <murtaugh> thanks mmport81, I'm patching my aircard and using this page http://www.junxion.com/opensource/linux_highspeed_usbserial.html
[10:34] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: how do I change to xine engine from gstreamer?
[10:35] <murtaugh> i've got it patched and im about ready to recompile but I just need to know if I have to "compile the module" after patching
[10:35] <sambagirl> mm wow this is different.
[10:35] <sambagirl> this much diffferent from gnome
[10:35] <mmport81>  sambagirl: cool your back?? - good eh, welcome to KDE :):)
[10:36] <mmport81>  murtaugh: hold on...
[10:36] <sambagirl> wow i had no idea
[10:36] <sambagirl> brb cooking
[10:36] <murtaugh> will do
[10:36] <sambagirl> wow this is so differeeent from gnome
[10:36] <osh> what's the name of the codecs I need to be able to play my vobs? and all the other media files I get.
[10:36] <mmport81>  murtaugh: you patched the kernel?
[10:36] <v-dogg> I still can't find where to set K Menu to windows key...
[10:37] <Juerd> v-dogg: Why do you want that?
[10:37] <Juerd> v-dogg: Having a hard time adjusting?
[10:37] <v-dogg> yes
[10:37] <murtaugh> yeah i just patched usb-serial.c
[10:37] <Juerd> v-dogg: KDE has ALT+F1 for this, if you think you can get used to something new.
[10:37] <mmport81> murtaugh: if u have, then u should just have to select to module in menuconfig
[10:38] <Juerd> If getting used to new stuff is a problem, then perhaps it's better to stick to what you had, and not migrate to better software like Kubuntu...
[10:38] <mmport81> and it should all compile for you
[10:38] <v-dogg> Juerd: me - maybe, my wife - never :)
[10:38] <murtaugh> oh alright, so is the other piece from that page "compiling the module" for another purpose?
[10:39] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: how do I view amarok/gstreamer errors, becuase it gives me one which goes away fast
[10:39] <murtaugh> mmport81 this is my first kernel patch so im at this
[10:39] <Juerd> v-dogg: Consider dual booting. That keeps people a hell of a lot happier than forced migration against their wishes.
[10:39] <osh> Juerd: The question is valid though. Nevermind if it's good or bad to do it but how to do it is interesting. Right now it's just a dead key on the keyboard.
[10:39] <v-dogg> but now I have one key completely obsolete
[10:39] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: I dunno - perhaps if you run it from the command line?
[10:39] <Juerd> v-dogg: Otherwise, I hope your marriage is strong :)
[10:39] <mmport81> murtaugh: hold on...
[10:39] <v-dogg> it's sad
[10:39] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: I gave up gstreamer=gSTEAMER
[10:39] <v-dogg> the key I mean, keys need to be touched :)
[10:39] <Juerd> osh: Oh, the question is a good one, certainly. I'm not judging.
[10:40] <mmport81>  murtaugh: i can't remember, one more second...
[10:40] <Juerd> I have no Windows keys, so I do not care.
[10:40] <murtaugh> mmport81, thanks
[10:40] <osh> v-dogg: If you find out, feel free to tell me. I could find some uses for that key.
[10:40] <v-dogg> Juerd: I can't ditch Windows for several reasons and I'll always have dual boot
[10:40] <mmport81>  murtaugh: are you compiling the whole kernel from scratch?
[10:41] <murtaugh> mmport81, yep, ive successfully done it once today so im confident there
[10:41] <v-dogg> but alt+f1 works too, thanks
[10:41] <kyr0> hmm... kubuntu portage tree needs f4l (flash 4 linux) - that are flash development tools like Flash Editor (KDE/Qt Frontend like Macromedia Flash) and a free flash compiler. Eclipse Flash 4 Linux extension is also avaiable
[10:41] <Juerd> v-dogg: And to preempt on your next question, win+r maps to alt+f2 ;)
[10:41] <mmport81> murtaugh: did you select that particular part of the kernel 2b installed as a module? (guess you did)
[10:42] <v-dogg> Juerd: haha, never used that one :)
[10:42] <Juerd> v-dogg: It's a huge time saver once you learn some commands.
[10:42] <v-dogg> but what about Win+E (explorer)?
[10:42] <Juerd> In any OS
[10:43] <murtaugh> mmport81, my goal is to recompile with that patch so i can use my aircard. I found that page and im wondering if compiling the module would be used if you are not completely recompiling the kernel
[10:43] <murtaugh> mmport81, but since i just patched usb-serial.c I think i can just run menu config and go from there
[10:43] <Juerd> v-dogg: There is no hotkey for that by defualt. You can assign one to Konqueror, if you want.
[10:43] <osh> I seem to get an error I haven't seen in a while. It's "kaffeine" that won't die, but instead stays at 90% cpu. This was an issue about 1yrs ago and then I think I had to download someones patched version. Anyone know what to do about it.
[10:43] <mmport81>  murtaugh: you can compile the module for your system without compiling the whole kernel
[10:44] <v-dogg> I need to go to bed... I just tried what Alt+f4 does :D
[10:44] <v-dogg> magic I tell you
[10:44] <Juerd> v-dogg: More or less the same as in Windows ;)
[10:44] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: how do I change to xine engine from gsteamer?
[10:44] <mmport81>  murtaugh: however, just use "make modules" after make menuconfig
[10:44] <murtaugh> mmport81, so is that page just giving me two options? a module and a kernel patch?
[10:45] <murtaugh> mmport81, I think i've got it, I'll see if i can figure this out and come back if i get stumped :)  thanks for your time!
[10:45] <mmport81>  murtaugh: it seems it only give the patch option
[10:45] <mmport81>  murtaugh: hope i haven't confused you :)
[10:45] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: nevermind, found the pack
[10:45] <mmport81>  murtaugh: u seem to be on the right track
[10:45] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: install libxine then open kaffeine and go to settings, player engine, and choose the one that just says kaffeine. In amarok you basically do the same thing.
[10:46] <murtaugh> mmport81, confusion with Linux?!!? never!
[10:46] <mmport81> heheh :)
[10:46] <mmport81> chaos more like ;)
[10:46] <murtaugh> *controlled chaos
[10:46] <v-dogg> nothing like Windows
[10:47] <Knowerrors> bb after new kernel boot :)
[10:47] <v-dogg> you have to boot to install new kernel :o
[10:47] <v-dogg> I never boot my windows
[10:48] <v-dogg> it does it for me!
[10:49] <osh> What's the name of the multimedia codecs in kubuntu? I can't play my media files.
[10:51] <kyr0> hmm, java: should i use blackdown jre or orginal sun jre?
[10:52] <mmport81> much of a muchness, but i use sun - risk averse...
[10:53] <osh> kyr0: you an idealogist? use blackdown. not? use sun jre.
[10:53] <propagandhi> kyr0: I'd say the original, but it depends on what you're doing with it
[10:53] <mmport81> belive u can download the sun  packages here: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[10:53] <mmport81> (apt source...)
[10:53] <kyr0> propagandhi: need it for learning development in java 
[10:54] <propagandhi> kyr0: go the sun way in that case
[10:54] <kyr0> propagandhi: so i need a sun compatible jre...
[10:54] <mmport81>  kyr0: ideologists would use kaffe ;)
[10:54] <mmport81> kyr0: the apt source up there has sdk too
[10:55] <kyr0> mmport81: thx ;)
[10:55] <kyr0> btw: adept is great
[10:55] <v-dogg> hmm.. one more shortcut: Win-D?
[10:55] <mmport81> oh i have a java q - java applets have stopped working after upgrading to breezy
[10:55] <v-dogg> show desktop
[10:55] <SpudULike> How do I figure out the device name of my usb printer?  I want to use the escputil tool.
[10:57] <drolyk> Hi All :)
[10:58] <propagandhi> mmport81: and have u tried the java packages throught the RestrictedFormats method
[10:58] <mmport81> no - what's that?
[10:58] <propagandhi> !restricted
[10:58] <ubotu> I guess restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[10:58] <propagandhi> look at the wiki
[10:58] <mmport81> righteo
[10:58] <kyr0> !w32codecs
[10:58] <ubotu> it has been said that w32codecs is for w32codecs in Breezy visit http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[10:59] <kyr0> ahh libdvdcss
[10:59] <kyr0> ;)
[11:00] <mmport81> propagandhi : i used to do something like that in debian, but lets face it apt source trumps anything else :)
[11:00] <thmas> guys, can anyone help me? i try to save data on a dvd. the data is from a ntfs-partition. i got: Incorrectly encoded string (Bhne.JPG) encountered. Incorrectly encoded string (Bhne.JPG) encountered.
[11:00] <osh> the w32codecs aren't in backports?
[11:02] <propagandhi> mmport81: i'd have to say in the case of java it doenst
[11:02] <propagandhi> *doesnt
[11:02] <mmport81> why?
[11:03] <mmport81> i get the sun sdk jre with apt get
[11:03] <propagandhi> IMHO it just doesnt work as reliably 
[11:03] <judith> how can I type the EURO sysmbol in kubuntu?
[11:03] <propagandhi> mmport81: but i havent had any issues when using that method
[11:03] <mmport81> propagandhi: really? i assume they package debs using ur method
[11:04] <mmport81> so doubt there's much difference
[11:04] <propagandhi> mmport81: perhaps they do, perhaps they dont
[11:04] <thmas> osh: what's backports?
[11:04] <mmport81> propagandhi: just convenient
[11:04] <osh> thmas: one of the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <propagandhi> mmport81: convenience is always good, but a little effort can go a long way to be mary-poppins-ish
[11:05] <thmas> i m with a kubuntu live cd online
[11:05] <mmport81> thmas: good for u!
[11:05] <thmas> cause windows kickt one of my partitions
[11:06] <v-dogg> there's a kubuntu live cd?
[11:06] <mmport81> propagandhi: hehehe - considering gentoo are we ? :)
[11:06] <francolq> hello... is there any internet connection sharing configuration tool for kubuntu?
[11:06] <v-dogg> awesome
[11:06] <thmas> i would save ist now on a dvd but it doesen't work
[11:06] <propagandhi> mmport81: no not going that far, been there done that
[11:06] <thmas> sure v-dogg 
[11:07] <pr0tocol> hey all
[11:07] <pr0tocol> :)
[11:07] <pr0tocol> how's everyone doing on this cold freakin' day...
[11:07] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: cold for you maybe
[11:07] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, indeed it is
[11:08] <pr0tocol> I'm wondering if any of you are using Baghira...
[11:08] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: hot for me
[11:08] <mmport81> Baghira? no? problem?
[11:08] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, are you using Baghira?  'cause I'm havin' an issue installing the 'patch' for Milkesque
[11:08] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: isnt baghira a theme
[11:09] <pr0tocol> I compiled baghira 0.7 from source, btw
[11:09] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, yea
[11:09] <thmas> How to mount with utf8 ?
[11:09] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: ok, so what problem are you having installing the patch
[11:10] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, well, I installed the patch as directed in the readme.  Problem is...I don't see anything that has to do WITH the Milkesque patch
[11:10] <pr0tocol> Baghira is just...baghira...
[11:11] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: so what are you meant to see - is this on kde-look or something
[11:11] <pr0tocol> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=30789
[11:11] <pr0tocol> there it is
[11:11] <mmport81> that is SWEET :)
[11:12] <mmport81> damn i need that now...
[11:12] <pr0tocol> it gives me cavities just looking at it dude
[11:12] <pr0tocol> any takers on solving the problem?
[11:13] <mmport81> gtg soon...
[11:13] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: in the screenshot i cant see any differing options, has the style changed at all, and have you rebooted/restarted kde
[11:13] <thmas> guy, tell me please how to unmount and mount with utf8
[11:14] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: it says its meant to replace the aqua style
[11:14] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, yup... I have
[11:14] <propagandhi> so using the aqua style should be the new changes?
[11:14] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, yea it's meant to do so..but hasn't done anything
[11:15] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, generally speaking, I think the .baghira file is the one that changes the Aqua style to look that way
[11:16] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: ok, i'm gonna compile baghira and do the patch myself to see
[11:16] <pr0tocol> but in terms of the win deco and everything else...nope
[11:16] <pr0tocol> okee dokee
[11:17] <mmport81> cu guys
[11:19] <pr0tocol> hm
[11:19] <pr0tocol> wait
[11:20] <thmas> pr0tocol: how to mount with utf8? 
[11:20] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, I wasn't able to run 'make' in sthe baghira/style folder before...now I'm able to...but I get an error
[11:20] <propagandhi> whats the error
[11:20] <pr0tocol> thmas, huh?
[11:21] <pr0tocol> make: *** [baghira_la.all_cpp.lo]  Error 1
[11:21] <thmas> do u know that? i have to mount a filesystem with utf8
[11:21] <pr0tocol> thmas, you tried googling?
[11:21] <pr0tocol> !google mounting utf8
[11:21] <ubotu> pr0tocol: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:22] <pr0tocol> ubotu, I live in an urban area...windmill's are obsolete here. :P
[11:22] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, pr0tocol
[11:22] <propagandhi> !pastebin
[11:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:23] <propagandhi> thmas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4382
[11:23] <pr0tocol> hm... was just checking if this chan had a google function
[11:24] <v-dogg> does linux have some sort of hibernation feature (like windows)?
[11:24] <propagandhi> v-dogg: yes
[11:25] <propagandhi> but it doesnt work under all circumstances
[11:25] <propagandhi> works for me though
[11:25] <pr0tocol> thmas, btw, do you have an entry for it in your fstab?
[11:25] <v-dogg> how do I hibernate Kubuntu?
[11:25] <thmas> i have no idea
[11:25] <thmas> i am on kubuntu (even linux) for the second time
[11:26] <pr0tocol> thmas, open /etc/fstab
[11:26] <thmas> the problem is
[11:27] <thmas> i am on kubuntu live cd
[11:27] <pr0tocol> thmas, ok...kubuntu live should have a fstab
[11:28] <thmas> mount with utf8 dosen't work
[11:28] <pr0tocol> thmas, it not going to work if you're just doing 'mount utf8' if there is no entry for it in the fstab
[11:29] <pr0tocol> you have to make sure that fstab is using it...if not, you're going to have to make an entry for it yourself
[11:29] <propagandhi> thmas: you are passing the iocharset=utf8 ??
[11:30] <thmas> just -o utf8
[11:30] <pyroxx> hi 
[11:30] <pyroxx> i am new
[11:30] <pr0tocol> hello
[11:30] <propagandhi> thmas: try -iocharset=utf8
[11:30] <pyroxx> how can i get kubuntu
[11:30] <thmas> ok
[11:30] <pyroxx> ?
[11:30] <propagandhi> !kubuntu
[11:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[11:31] <pr0tocol> pyroxx, you can download the iso and install it, or request for a cd, I believe
[11:31] <propagandhi> pyroxx: if u already have ubuntu, just apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[11:32] <pyroxx> thanks
[11:32] <pyroxx> how about media players
[11:32] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, lol you're going to compile baghira eh?
[11:32] <pr0tocol> pyroxx, there are tons
[11:32] <pyroxx> how can i get
[11:33] <pyroxx> which one is the best
[11:33] <pyroxx> ?
[11:33] <pr0tocol> pyroxx, it's all preference
[11:33] <pr0tocol> I like mplayer
[11:33] <pyroxx> well give me something usefull
[11:33] <pr0tocol> and VLC media player, as well.  Some people might prefer Xine, Totem, etc
[11:33] <thmas> do u know how to unmount ?
[11:33] <pr0tocol> pyroxx, download mplayer and vlc
[11:34] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: done that part, applying the patch now
[11:34] <pr0tocol> thmas, umount 
[11:34] <pyroxx> how can i download them?
[11:34] <thmas> unmount /mnt/folder doesent work
[11:34] <pr0tocol> pyroxx, sudo apt-get install name_of_program
[11:34] <tazmaniak> lo
[11:35] <osh> pr0tocol: except mplayer isn't in the repos.
[11:35] <pr0tocol> thmas, not unmount, umount.  Without the N
[11:35] <pr0tocol> osh, unless you add a backport
[11:36] <pr0tocol> pyroxx, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#security    <---that will get you started on a lot of things
[11:36] <thmas> pr0tocol: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda6, - got that error
[11:36] <pyroxx> thanks
[11:36] <kyr0> hmm, which name has the java runtime environment variable
[11:37] <pr0tocol> kyr0, ?
[11:37] <pr0tocol> thmas, hmm...
[11:38] <propagandhi> thmas: exactly what is the full command you're using to mount the partition
[11:38] <thmas> mount -r /dev/hda6 /mnt/daten -iocharset=utf8       
[11:38] <kyr0> hmm $JAVA_PATH or... damn it
[11:38] <propagandhi> kyr0: try the update-alternatives command listed on 
[11:38] <propagandhi> !restricted
[11:39] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[11:39] <propagandhi> thmas: and what filesystem is on the partition - ntfs?
[11:39] <propagandhi> fat32??
[11:39] <thmas> yes
[11:39] <thmas> ntfs
[11:39] <propagandhi> so it would be mount -t ntfs
[11:40] <thmas> mount -r -t ntfs /dev/hda6 /mnt/daten 
[11:40] <Sgep> Is klik ok with Kubuntu?
[11:40] <propagandhi> thmas: you should look at
[11:40] <thmas> or without r
[11:40] <propagandhi> !ntfs
[11:40] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:40] <pr0tocol> Sgep, do you have the source?
[11:41] <Sgep> no
[11:41] <Sgep> Hmm?
[11:41] <Sgep> Source-code or website?
[11:41] <Sgep> http://klik.atekon.de/
[11:41] <os2mac> OK, so I have a firefox icon in my Kicker bar... and everytime I click on it to open firefox I get the error: KDEinit could not start firefox.... but firefox starts correctly...
[11:41] <pr0tocol> Sgep, you tried apt-get?
[11:41] <pipitas_2> Sgep: if you want a biased answer, ask in #klik
[11:42] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: where is the baghira folder to apply the patch
[11:43] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, the /deco/pixmaps.h  goes into the baghira/deco folder, and the /style/pixmaps.h goes into the baghira/style folder.  After that, you go into both folders (baghira/deco  & baghira/style) and run make and make install
[11:44] <propagandhi> ok
[11:45] <pr0tocol> Sgep, why use klik to download software when you have apt?
[11:45] <pr0tocol> or synaptic, for that matter?
[11:47] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: same issue here
[11:48] <propagandhi> cant make after putting patch in
[11:48] <pr0tocol> heh restart kde and retry
[11:48] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, in the deco folder all I did was 'make install'
[11:48] <pr0tocol> since make couldn't be done
[11:52] <Sgep> hi _buz 
[11:52] <_buz> are there any sound fx plugins for amarok? to add stuff like hall or 3d sound fx?
[11:56] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, any luck?
[11:57] <pr0tocol> ...
[11:58] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: i'm gonna restart it now, brb
[11:58] <pr0tocol> k
[11:58] <dell500> anyone know how to check to see if 3d accel is workin in console?
[11:59] <pr0tocol> glxgears
[12:00] <pr0tocol> it USED to read fps
[12:01] <kdude> hello.. can somebody help me with samba PDC configuration?
[12:02] <dell500> pr0tocol, ya, i noticed taht
[12:02] <dell500> pr0tocol, isn't there a way to read a config file or something to tell if it's on or not
[12:02] <dell500> it seems ot be on though, which is awesome
[12:03] <pr0tocol> a config file to tell you the fps?