[03:55] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:04] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco
[04:04] <Madpilot> following the latest goofiness on the forum?
[04:20] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:20] <jsgotangco> wiki stuff
[04:20] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i'll look at it again later
[04:21] <jsgotangco> maybe something constructive will happen or maybe not
[04:21] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:21] <jsgotangco> foss is hard
[04:21] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:22] <jsgotangco> bbl
[05:08] <Angel> hello from venezuela
[05:09] <Angel> Iam a recently new user of ubuntu
[05:09] <Angel> I say hello
[07:33] <Kinnison> night all
[07:43] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: what's that?
[07:43] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you read planet.g and planet.k?
[07:43] <highvoltage> sometimes, let me check now...
[07:45] <rob1> hmm
[07:45] <rob1> anyone know much about xmllint?
[07:45] <Burgundavia> I have heard it is great for toejam...
[07:46] <rob1> my xincludes all work fine when building with xsltproc, but xmllint complains when I try to vaildate individual documents
[07:47] <highvoltage> geepers. people seem to be getting more tense.
[07:47] <rob1> I'm pretty sure I'm suppose to tell xmllint something, but what I'm not sure..
[07:47] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: could you add the edubuntu-doc team to the ubuntu doc team on launchpad?
[07:48] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, hmm, I think I can figure out how to do taht
[07:48] <Burgundavia> with LP I just need to click on enough things enough times and it happens
[07:51] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, I think you have to propose the team to be a member of ubuntu-doc so I can approve it
[07:51] <highvoltage> hehe! you figured that out too?
[07:51] <highvoltage> ok, i'll try that.
[07:51] <Burgundavia> we had some good discussions at ubz about LP and some of the annoying bugs
[07:52] <Burgundavia> sadly no forward movement, but I missed the LP stuff which wraps up today or tomorrow
[07:52] <highvoltage> i think once they've gotten the dapper ball moving, there will be some more focus on launchpad.
[07:52] <highvoltage> i think jordi has been away too?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> the main blocker is da big boss, from what I understand
[07:54] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i just did it the other way rount (added ubuntu-doc to edubuntu-doc)
[07:54] <highvoltage> i'll remove it now.
[07:54] <Burgundavia> how did you do that?
[07:55] <highvoltage> what you do is, click on add member, and then just type edubuntu-doc as the member name.
[07:56] <Burgundavia> hmm, I don't get that
[07:57] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, bloody hell
[07:57] <Burgundavia> done
[07:58] <highvoltage> hehe :) more launchpad ui-bugginess.
[07:58] <highvoltage> we're just going to get used to how it works then they're going to fix it.
[07:58] <highvoltage> ah, thanks.
[07:59] <Burgundavia> if you file bugs on it, they usually get answered
[08:01] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/4178
[01:19] <mdke> hello
[01:24] <rob1> hi mdke 
[01:25] <highvoltage> hi
[01:25] <rob1> grr @ olinks
[01:26] <mdke> :)
[01:26] <rob1> I got them working, except one I just did refuses to play ball
[01:49] <rob1> man #docbook is going off..
[01:49] <rob1> not
[01:52] <mdke> lol
[03:13] <jjesse> did i try and close that bug wrong?
[03:16] <mdke> jjesse, which bug?
[03:16] <jjesse> the one about backports being up?
[03:16] <mdke> you mean 18761?
[03:16] <mdke> or 17955
[03:16] <jjesse> yeah, the desktop guide is accurate as far as i can see according to the announcement
[03:16] <jjesse> 18761
[03:17] <mdke> the point is that we will need to fix the bug for dapper
[03:17] <mdke> by documenting that backports will not be ready immediately
[03:18] <mdke> follow me?
[03:19] <jjesse> ah i understand now
[03:19] <jjesse> i thought that since it was accurate now I would cloes the bug i reported :)
[03:20] <mdke> :)
[03:30] <rob1> hmm
[03:31] <mdke> having fun rob1 ?
[03:33] <jjesse> rob1: did you have to change your username from rob~ or something like that
[03:40] <rob1> mdke, yeah heh
[03:40] <rob1> jjesse, so I could get the hostmask
[03:40] <rob1> otherwise I would have to have -caret appended to it
[03:41] <jjesse> ah
[03:41] <rob1> I've got some of the olinks working in the desktop guide, there is one that refuses to work though
[03:42] <rob1> I have no idea why
[04:14] <mdke> hello there SteveMyers 
[04:22] <SteveMyers> :)
[04:23] <SteveMyers> Who's this?
[04:26] <mdke> my name is matt
[04:29] <rob1> good night
[04:29] <mdke> night rob1 
[04:30] <jjesse> night rob1 
[05:01] <SteveMyers> sorry for the late reply back
[05:01] <SteveMyers> Matthew East..Matthew Galvin?
[05:02] <SteveMyers> Matt Galvin*
[05:08] <mdke> SteveMyers, I am Matthew East (you can see who people are by doing the command /whois nickname)
[05:08] <SteveMyers> ah ok ty :)
[05:09] <jsgotangco> mdke: i'd like to have a commit account for bhuvan that ok with you?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> mdke: also i'd like to propose that all those with commit accounts in our svn sign the coc in lp
[05:10] <jsgotangco> most importantly if they're already a member of the team
[05:10] <mdke> jsgotangco, i approve of giving him access, but we need to work out how we're going to deal with it. I would suggest dealing with new members at team meetings
[05:11] <mdke> +1 on the coc
[05:11] <jsgotangco> mdke: right, we can discuss that next week, anyways, bhuvan has earned the right so it'll be a breeze for him
[05:12] <jsgotangco> don't how how it applies to the wiki team though
[05:14] <mdke> jsgotangco, absolutely, he is a good new addition
[05:35] <jjesse> i vote for bhuvan to have comitt as well :)
[05:35] <jjesse> and +1 for the CoC
[05:38] <jsgotangco> would it be too harsh if i deactivate those in lp who don't sign the coc in the near future? I'd assume not signing the coc upon request would mean 1) no interest contributing anymore 2) no  interest in such...
[05:45] <mdke> sure
[05:45] <mdke> deactivating someone is no big deal right now, because no perms attach
[05:46] <highvoltage> it would be cool if the team owner could specify a deadline for that.
[05:46] <highvoltage> i think two weeks or so would be very reasonable.
[05:46] <highvoltage> although, many people have problems understanding gpg keys, etc. on the otherhand, there are millions of monkeys that can help on IRC.
[05:46] <highvoltage> am I just blabbering again.
[05:47] <mdke> lol
[06:26] <bhuvan> i'm making additions to admin guide. any preferred mail server 
[06:26] <bhuvan> ??
[06:26] <bhuvan> i'm planning to mention about exim4 because it's simple and easy to maintain
[06:27] <mdke> please, not admin guide, server guide :)
[06:27] <bhuvan> no, i meant admin guide
[06:28] <mdke> but...
[06:28] <mdke> the admin guide is not being developed
[06:28] <bhuvan> as server guide spec is not finalized, i'm contributing to incomplete admin guide
[06:28] <bhuvan> :)
[06:28] <mdke> it is kinda redundant now we are working on the desktop guide and server guide
[06:28] <mdke> ah
[06:28] <bhuvan> ok, we may ditch admin guide ?
[06:28] <mdke> i don't think we will want to release the admin guide with dapper
[06:28] <mdke> it will cause confusion
[06:29] <bhuvan> true, i'll move it off to server guide then
[06:30] <mdke> rocking
[06:30] <mdke> bhuvan, about your question, does ubuntu have a default mail server? isn't it postfix?
[06:30] <mdke> if not, use your judgment and go with whichever you think is better
[06:31] <bhuvan> cool. not sure whether it's postfix/exim4. i can check
[06:31] <mdke> ask in -devel
[06:31] <bhuvan> but when we speak about server guide, we need not necessarily strick to default services, right ?
[06:31] <mdke> asks
[06:32] <mdke> bhuvan, no, i don't think we have to. You can document more than one mail server if you have time ;)
[06:32] <bhuvan> ok
[06:34] <mdke> bhuvan, the general message seems to be that postfix is kinda the default, because it was seeded in previous ubuntu releases
[06:35] <bhuvan> ok
[06:37] <mdke> bhuvan, perhaps we should avoid exim4 because it is in universe afaics
[06:37] <mdke> postfix is in main
[06:38] <mdke> sendmail is in universe
[06:38] <bhuvan> ok
[06:38] <mdke> i think we should try and stick to main for the server guide if we can
[06:38] <bhuvan> yeah, correct
[06:38] <mdke> is postfix included in ubuntu-server?
[06:43] <mdke> probably
[06:50] <bhuvan> not sure. but it's mentioned mail server is included in ubuntu-server announce email. so probably it must be postfix
[06:57] <bhuvan> good night
[07:26] <LaserJock> mdke: pint?
[07:26] <LaserJock> ping rather
[07:27] <Madpilot> "pint" sounds more interesting :P
[07:27] <LaserJock> lol, yeah
[07:41] <jjesse> too bad it isn't time for a pint
[07:52] <LaserJock> have you guys seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperDocumentation ?
[08:18] <LaserJock> mdke_: I need to talk to you, got a minute?
[09:17] <mdke_> LaserJock, shoot
[09:19] <LaserJock> mdke_: I was talking to dholbach and he pointed out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperDocumentation
[09:19] <LaserJock> I was going to work on Ubuntu Packaging Guide, but I'm not sure if that would be a duplication of work
[09:20] <mdke> LaserJock, i don't know. I heard the packaging guide was already written
[09:20] <mdke> who is working on that spec?
[09:20] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I don't know. Unfgiven was supposed to send either me or you guys his work but I haven't heard from him for a while
[09:21] <mdke> perhaps contact the assignee of the spec?
[09:21] <LaserJock> mdke: not sure about the spec
[09:21] <mdke> what do you mean?
[09:21] <LaserJock> who is working on it
[09:22] <mdke> well look at the spec
[09:22] <LaserJock> ok, so Ian Jackson is the assignee
[09:22] <mdke> Diziet is working on it
[09:22] <mdke> yeah
[09:24] <LaserJock> the only problem is that the spec says that they are basicly going to replace all references of Debian with Ubuntu in the Debian Developer Reference
[09:24] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if that is the only documentation we want, but I don't know
[09:25] <mdke> perhaps you can discuss it with Ian
[09:25] <LaserJock> ok
[09:31] <LaserJock> mdke: have you seen the packaging guide that Unfgiven did?
[09:33] <mdke> LaserJock, no
[09:34] <mdke> LaserJock, if one is written already, definitely show it to ian so that whoever works on that spec doesn't have to duplicate work
[09:39] <LaserJock> mdke: that's the problem, I've never seen it so I don't even know what info its got
[09:41] <mdke> best get in touch with him then too :)
[09:46] <LaserJock> well, I have emailed him and he said that he would have it soon, but I haven't heard from him for a while
[09:46] <LaserJock> and he has been ~8 days idle on irc
[09:55] <mdke> hmm
[09:55] <mdke> i don't think I can help much
[09:57] <LaserJock> I think mostly dholbach wanted you guys to be aware of  the DeveloperDocumentation spec
[09:58] <LaserJock> I was unsure of what I should do
[09:59] <LaserJock> I think I will talk to Diziet and see if I can help there and wait to see what Unfrgiven has, and in the mean time I am working on MOTU wiki so I will have plenty to do
[09:59] <mdke> cool, good plan
[10:35] <LaserJock> what is CategoryCleanup ?
[10:35] <Madpilot> stuff that needs cleaning up
[10:35] <LaserJock> in what way?
[10:36] <Madpilot> various things
[10:36] <Madpilot> sometimes just editing - grammar, formatting, typo hunting
[10:36] <LaserJock> ok, so kind of a general wiki todo list?
[10:36] <Madpilot> sometimes needs complete re-writing
[10:36] <Madpilot> some of the stuff in Cleanup does not follow Ubuntu's best practices, ie encouraging sudo & GUI tools, that sort of thing
[10:39] <Madpilot> got to go - LaserJock, if you've got questions about CatCleanup, you can ask on the mailing list if there's no-one here
[10:39] <LaserJock> k, thanks
[11:31] <mdke> rob1, around/awake?