siretartsistpoty: a comma separated list would be fine12:03
sivangslomo: since we nevertheless need to look manually in EACH  of the packages ever processed by MOM, which is a %$^% huge list :)12:04
slomosivang: it gets us all packages which needs to be looked at and a machine merged version which _maybe_ can be uploaded12:04
siretartsistpoty: I need a list like "1234@bugs.launchpad.net, 1235@bugs.launchpad.net, 12345@...." and so on12:04
sivangslomo: ah , hehe I get it now :)12:04
siretartsivang: MoM is providing patches and debdiffs. I find that very useful, because I dont need to download all 3 source package and create the diffs for myself!12:05
siretartsivang: in some (in fact few) cases, the mom merge is useful for uploading12:05
sivangsiretart: ah right, I haven't given thought for that work that we would have needed to do in case we didn't have MOM12:05
sistpotysiretart: i could give you a partial list right now... but i would prefer to update my db first, and then generate a complete list for you12:06
siretartsistpoty: that would be fine for me12:06
siretartsistpoty: I think email would be the easiest for you to send it to me12:07
sivangsiretart: ok, so just take one of the packages in one of the a,b,c....{n} lists , open a bug about it that I'm working on it, and put it in the wiki page \sh wrote so nobody  stepps on my feet?12:07
sistpotysiretart: I'll make you a threeliner python-script and mail you where you can find it on tiber ;)12:07
siretartsivang: we are currently busily working on scripts to file merge bugs from the command line12:08
siretartsivang: atm I'm reviewing \sh's code and merge that into my branch12:08
siretartI will announce here when I pushed that merge to http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools12:08
siretartsistpoty: w00t. you are my hero! :)12:08
\shsiretart: it's not finished now...found a bug already12:09
sivangsiretart: if you need someone more to test that scripts, I can do that now12:09
\shsiretart: check only if it's good enough to be published12:09
siretart\sh: I see that you created a new script. is lpbugs.py intended to replace newmerge.py or accompany?12:09
siretartsivang: just a sek12:10
\shsiretart: it should replace newmerge.py (it's a bit cleaner I think) but it will be the first step towards a reportbugs replacement12:10
sistpotydamn... while we are busy writing scripts, slomo is busy with merging *g*12:10
siretart\sh: okay12:11
sivangsiretart: no prob, I don't want to distrub. If it's just better that I waited for the scripts to be ready, then I'll come again tomorrow and try to better help..12:11
\shsistpoty: which is ok..because I wanted to do more real coding work for this cycle12:11
siretart\sh: newmerge was just a small hack anyway12:11
slomosistpoty: partially... i picked some packages on which i'll work tomorrow :)12:11
\shsiretart: but a good one...now have a look on lpbugs...12:11
siretartsivang: you can still grab a package from this list: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new12:11
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siretartsivang: and file a bug as described on MOTUToMerge. We can reassign later if there is something wrong12:12
sivangsiretart: how does that page knows if I took a package?12:13
slomook... took some packages and now it's time to sleep :) expect some uploads tomorrow... and thanks for these great scripts =)12:13
slomogn8 everybody :)12:13
siretartsivang: it checks the mailing list universe-bugs. just be sure to title your bug correctly12:14
\shslomo: good night and thx for the merges :)12:14
siretartslomo: good night, good work man!12:14
sistpotygn8 sladen12:14
siretartsladen? ;)12:14
sistpotyslomo even12:14
siretart\sh: if I read correctly, lpbugs.py is a refactored newmerge.py without request for sync and sponsorship, right?12:15
\shsiretart: no...it's a start12:15
\shsiretart: new bugs don't need sync or sponsor...because we have to file bugs first, then check if it's a merge or a sync...12:16
\shsiretart: so only with the update bugs options we need sync and sponsor...which I write now12:16
sladensiretart: me?  Surely you know that I never sleep ;-)12:16
siretart\sh: aaah. this is a bit different workflow to what I have in mind, but you are completly right12:17
siretartsladen: hrrh12:17
\shsiretart: thats what I wanted to say last night..12:17
siretartsladen: how was your flight home?12:17
siretart\sh: ah, okay12:17
\shsiretart: before we start actually merging or syncing we have to file bugs...so that everyone know what you are working on12:17
sladensiretart: what flight home.  I'm still in Montreal :)12:18
siretartsladen: you are? crazy guy! :)12:18
siretartsladen: how's the party?12:18
sladensiretart: just wrapping up.12:18
\shsiretart: ogra told me, that nobody knows, why sladen flys all the time after the conferences :)12:18
siretart\sh: you are completly right12:18
\shafter behind whatevert12:18
sivangI see all your bugs12:18
sivangseems like the bug reporting script can be merged ? :)12:19
siretart\sh: okay. what are you working on right now?12:19
sladen\sh: no point going somewhere and not seeing the continent12:19
\shsiretart: update bugs and close bugs12:19
sivangsladen: true :)12:19
sivangsladen: have you stayed for the launchpad week in whole?12:20
\shsiretart: i think the biggest improvement is: it works now without a running mailserver...u need only a smtp relay server with or without smtp auth12:20
\shsiretart: or u need a sendmail mta :) which is also working12:20
siretart\sh: I've seen that. great work!12:20
\shsiretart: and I cleaned up a bit...and try to use methods to reuse12:20
siretart\sh: ok, so I'll work on madison-lite on tiber until you commit your changes to update bugs12:21
\shsounds interessting12:21
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siretart\sh: thats a small tool which gives an overview what version of a given package is in all distributions12:22
\shsiretart: refining ajmitches scripts?12:23
sistpotysiretart, \sh: /home/sistpoty/merge_offline/update_status.py on tiber can be used to erm update the status... if anything is wrong :)12:24
siretart\sh: no, madison-lite is already in debian, but it is intended to work just on debian distributions12:24
siretart\sh: I12:24
siretart\sh: I'm hacking a bit to get that usable for ubuntu12:24
\shsiretart: great :)12:25
\shi need one feature...which means.i have to deal with urllib12:29
siretart\sh: better defer great features12:34
siretart\sh: we need something usable quick, sivang is waiting for work ;)12:34
\shsiretart: it doesn't take long to implement12:37
\shsiretart: but if i have this feature working...this would be awesome :)12:37
YokoZarWhere did elmo go?12:38
YokoZarHaven't seen him in a while, need to get some packages removed from the repository ;)12:38
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siretart\sh: :)12:40
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hervenight all01:01
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crimsunanavim: pong01:15
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anavimcrimsun, is there an ubuntu page about kernel dev volunteering?01:36
Kyralwhat package are the X11 development files in01:37
sistpotyKyral: should be... or let's say xlibs-dev depends on the actual devel-packages (these are also split into several subpackages)01:39
Kyralyah, just needed the dev files. Guy on the Forums needed to know the package01:39
sistpotythen this looks like xlibs-dev  ;)01:40
crimsunanavim: yeah, it's in the topic for that channel01:41
anavimcrimsun, oops01:42
tsengLathiat: ping01:42
Lathiattseng: pong01:42
tsengservice discovery applet01:43
tsengif i share a thingy with gnome user share, i see it01:43
tsengif i click it.. is something supposed to happen?01:43
tsengor is it just for show01:43
Lathiatit should open up some app01:43
Lathiatso if its http nautilus01:43
Lathiaterr firefox01:43
tsengit does not.01:43
Lathiatwebdav probably nautilus01:43
Lathiatthees a config thign, might be abel to set some application to handle it01:44
tsengnot obviously.01:44
siretartok. /me needs sleep. urgently.01:45
siretartgood night, see you tomorrow!01:45
sistpotygn8 siretart01:45
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\shsiretart: please merge again from ~shermann/motu-tools bugfix in close action01:56
sistpotygrr... why does aria not show up on "Done merges"02:03
\shwhy not because it's not fixed02:04
\shi send now the correct mail and it's not fixed02:04
minghuahmm, what should I do if a merge is done but not shown on the status page?02:05
sistpotyhm... but it should have been, at least temporarily02:05
sistpotyminghua: tell me ;)02:05
minghuathe package in question is zhcon, crimsun has done the merge already02:05
minghuasistpoty: there you go02:05
sistpotyminghua: thx. will update the status02:05
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\shi see the error02:06
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sistpotyminghua: is there a LP bug report for it?02:06
LaserJockcrimsun: are you looking at my merge stuff?02:07
\shit's not different from the old version02:07
minghuasistpoty: let me check... I just looked at the packages.u.c pages02:07
minghuasistpoty: yes, 4021, but at PendingUpload status02:08
\shblame me02:09
\shit was my fault02:09
sistpotyminghua: thx... i just updated... is now under "Accepted" (it's only fixed, once the bug is closed)02:09
sistpotywhy \sh02:09
\sh\n\n missing after the subject02:10
\shi have to generate the mail header manually02:10
sistpotyargs... can't you use some python-lib?02:10
crimsunLaserJock: url?02:10
\shsistpoty: smtplib from python :)02:11
\shfixed now02:11
minghuasistpoty: good enough for me, as long as other people don't waste time on it :-)02:11
LaserJockcrimsun: xchm02:11
crimsunLaserJock: hmm, I already merged it02:11
minghuacrimsun: please close your malone bug #4021 about zhcon :-)02:11
UbugtuMalone bug #4021: zhcon: Merge new Debian version Fix req. for: zhcon (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/402102:11
LaserJockcrimsun: lol, I did that yesterday02:12
crimsunminghua: yeah, I'm going back through them and closing them after Jeff's talk02:12
crimsunLaserJock: sorry for the effort duplication, I'll go ahead and update my merges now02:13
LaserJockcrimsun: np, just thought you were looking at my stuff. BTW, xchm is bug #408602:14
UbugtuMalone bug #4086: xchm: merge new debian version Fix req. for: xchm (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/408602:14
schweebwhoa... bug bot?02:14
schweebthat's nice.02:15
\shsistpoty: now try again with aria02:16
\shsistpoty: the rocking german motu team :)02:16
\shbecause of two bloody \n\n02:17
schweeb(to be successful as an MOTU, you must prefix everything with rocking) :P02:18
sistpotyrockingly sure, schweeb ;)02:18
\shrocking right02:18
schweebI was writing that down on my memo pad for future reference ;)02:19
crimsun\sh: are we still filing Malone bugs for merges/syncs?02:19
crimsun(due to the maintainer spammage)02:20
sistpotycrimsun: we do... the maintainers aren't spammed, we checked that with lp-team02:20
crimsunsistpoty: ok, thanks.02:20
sistpotycrimsun: and please use s.th. "merge new debian version" as bug title ;)02:21
sistpotys.th. which contains that ;)02:21
LaserJockcrimsun: I did xcdroast too02:22
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crimsunsistpoty: have been (except that I've used "Sync new Debian version" if a sync is necessary)02:25
crimsunLaserJock: yeah, I just saw02:25
sistpotycrimsun: cool... it's only because this exact string is matched to update status :)02:26
sistpotycrimsun: and otherwise i have to do it by hand :(02:27
crimsunsistpoty: should I go back and change "Sync" to "Merge"?02:27
sistpotycrimsun: lower-case please... if you can retitle the bug, that will help... but actually if you do from now on this will be fine02:27
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sistpoty(the updating stuff actually works only for ~3 hours... so I can't blame anybody for not knowing the future *g*)02:28
sistpotywow. the reassign worked... I'm still amazed myself *g*02:31
LaserJockcrimsun: should those be marked fixed yet, they haven't been through the build02:33
crimsunLaserJock: technically no, but I've built on all three platforms to verify.02:35
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crimsunLaserJock: so it's really a matter of time02:35
LaserJockok, cool02:35
\shsistpoty: i updated the README file02:42
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sistpotycool \sh (rocks *g*)02:44
crimsunbattery's dead, back later02:44
sistpotycya crimsun02:44
sistpoty' \sh i could use your help on bzr, do you mind?02:45
sistpoty-> query02:46
\shI wrote just the best motu announcement ever :)02:46
LaserJockit is indeed02:52
tsengi think your readme is wrong02:52
tsengbzr export http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/02:52
tsengdo you mean bzr branch02:52
tsengor get02:52
\shno i mean export02:54
\shwhich doesn't work02:55
sistpoty' \sh: MoM will be pleased, i guess ;)02:57
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\shfixed the announcement02:57
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zakamehello all03:00
\shkeybuk will kill me...that the MOTUs will satisfy his mom03:00
zakame\sh: just read the mail at -devel, wtg MOTUs! :)03:01
sistpotyzakame: got my mail regarding merges?03:01
zakamesistpoty: just got it too, thanks for the info :)03:02
zakamesistpoty: shall I change the bug titles now?03:02
sistpotyzakame: ok, cool :)03:02
\shzakame: use the motu-tools now..03:02
sistpotyzakame: if you could do this, it would be great ;)03:03
\shzakame: but use bzr branch http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools03:03
\shnot the export option..it doesn't work :(03:03
\shI fixed already the announcement03:03
zakameok, will do :)03:04
sistpotyzakame: thanks very much... and keep up with your good work on the merge ;)03:04
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zakamesistpoty: I will :) thank you very much indeed too :)03:05
\shok...last smoking bof for now03:05
sistpotygood idea \sh :)03:05
\shyes it is03:07
\shcause I can't see anything anymore03:07
\shsistpoty: btw...do u have an imap account on tiber?03:08
\shsistpoty: or how do u grab the mails ?03:09
zakamewb slomo_  :)03:09
\shok..time to go to bed03:14
sistpoty' \sh: not an imap account... just take a look at my .forward file03:14
sistpotysiretart told me that procmail rules might be even better... but i only know exim-filter stuff *G*03:15
sistpotygn8 \sh03:16
zakamedreams \sh03:16
\shsistpoty: well..even exim filter stuff is unknown to me..i'm using sieve03:17
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edoardohi gals, hi dudes : )03:17
\shok...tomorrow I'm at ogras place again :)03:17
edoardoyou guys, i'm the author of an audio conversion script named audio-convert. you might have read about it in the ubuntu forums. anyway, it's becomin' really popular lately. would anyone help me make a .deb? it's two files only, so it's probably not that hard. anyone? thankyou! : )03:17
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zakameedoardo: just two files?03:18
edoardowell it's a script03:18
edoardoit's one file in fact03:19
edoardoplus the installer03:19
edoardothen it's two files : )03:19
edoardoit works *really* well, and it's got progress bars, too. and it can convert many files at once into almost any format03:19
sistpotyedoardo: I'm a little bit tired right now, and still have a few things in my queue... if you ping me tomorrow, I can help you with this (or review the package, if s.o. else will make one)03:20
edoardosistpoty, yeah, goin' to bed too. was just throwin' the idea in : )03:20
\shedoardo: please add it to the wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates page with a pointer where we can grab it03:20
zakameeh, what does MoM stand for again?03:20
sistpotyzakame: Moments of merge, i think03:21
edoardosistpoty, what gmt time can i find you tomorrow?03:21
sistpotyedoardo: probably after 22:00 ;)03:21
zakamesistpoty: ah03:22
dooglusheh.  I was going to ask exactly the same thing03:22
zakameLaserJock: ah03:22
edoardowhat's universe? i'm not an ubuntu user. but many ubuntu users have asked me if i could make a .deb. and your distro sounds nice : )03:23
edoardoit's like 'world' in gentoo?03:23
edoardoor like 'portage' in gentoo?03:23
dooglus'universe' is all the free packages which aren't officially supported03:24
edoardocan one apt-get'em?03:24
\shedoardo: no...don03:24
sistpotyactually everything in debian/unstable, that is not officially supported03:24
\sht compare it with gentoo03:24
sistpotyedoardo: sure... just take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list (and eventually uncomment the universe entries)03:25
dooglusedoardo: you can apt-get 'em if you add the universe source to your sources.list.  it's not enabled by default, but it's easily added03:25
\shor if then do it like ~x86 plus masking03:25
\shand 17000 packages of them03:25
\shand the rest is main and restricted03:25
sistpotyreally 17000? phew i thought it were only about 10000 ;)03:25
dooglus\sh: how is that photo a picture of MoM?  or was that a joke?03:26
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\shdooglus: it's the picture of keybuks mom03:26
dooglus\sh: ok, I thought it would be something like that :)03:26
\shsistpoty: well..it doesn't matter if 10000 or 17000 IT'S TOO MUCH for a hand full of people03:27
\shbut now....good night heroes03:28
sistpotywell, we got 1000 people of indirect upstream ;) (the DDs) *g*03:28
sistpotygn8 \sh03:28
edoardo\sh, i don't know what to do with link you gave me : ) what could i do? : )03:28
zakamehmm, doesn't that count only binary packages?03:28
LaserJockstupid question, but I'm not sure how to set up the email part of lpbugs03:28
\shedoardo: add your application to it?03:28
edoardo\sh, by clickin'... i see a list : )03:29
\shedoardo: get a launchpad account and edit the page..it's a wiki, add your application to the list...03:29
edoardouh, now it's a little more clear03:29
\shedoardo: if you're upstream, and we see some work on your sources, we will include it somehow03:29
edoardoand when i've got it listed i come back here and talk to you about it?03:29
\shedoardo: well...we will deal with this list03:30
edoardocool! : )03:30
\shok...good night now...REALLY03:30
edoardogoodnight dude! : )03:31
sistpotyedoardo: but coming back and pinging surely will surely help ;)03:31
edoardowhat's with scripts? : )03:34
Kyralthe Motu-Tools :D03:34
edoardoscripts are cool. i like c programmin' too, and i've been writin' a lot more c programs than scripts. but it turns out the first really useful thing i wrote and published was audio-convert. which is a script : )03:35
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zakamehmmm, what do I do if I can't get jbailey's bzr snapshot 'coz there's NO_PUBKEY?03:38
zakameI couldn't finish my apt-get update03:39
sistpotyzakame: did it really not finished or just show some warning?03:39
KyralI still can't tell the difference between aa merge and a sync :P03:39
zakamesistpoty: it did not finish... I got the Release and Package files, but upon rebuilding the apt db, it failed03:40
sistpotyzakame: you could dl it by hand... or try with bzr in breezy03:40
sistpotyKyral: a sync is only if you need no modification to the current debian package, otherwise it's a merge03:41
bmonty_laptophey all03:44
LaserJockhi bmonty_laptop03:44
bmonty_laptopcan some one please take a look at #1213 and possibly upload?03:44
sistpotyhi bmonty_laptop03:44
zakameei bmonty_laptop03:44
bmonty_laptophi LaserJock, sistpoty, and zakame!03:45
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zakamehmm bzrtools is not in breezy, but in dapper03:49
LaserJockwhat do I do if there is a build dep on awk?03:50
LaserJockzakame: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./03:50
zakameLaserJock: yup, but I'm having problems about NO_PUBKEY for the Release.gpg file03:51
sistpotyLaserJock: awk actually should be on the buildds (as it's required)03:52
LaserJockzakame: I did it in synaptic and it worked fine03:52
LaserJocksistpoty: but awk doesn't exist as a package03:53
LaserJocksistpoty: there is original-awk03:53
zakameLaserJock: hmmm, I'm on a dapper-chroot ;)03:53
sistpotyLaserJock: if i understand this correctly, awk (virtual package) should be already satisfied since mawk is installed03:54
zakamethere's mawk and gawk03:54
LaserJockso is it ok to still have a build-dep on awk, or should it be changed?03:54
minghuaLaserJock: awk is just a virtual package03:54
sistpotyLaserJock: so this shouldn't be a problem03:54
LaserJockminghua: ok, well that makes sense03:54
minghuaLaserJock: if you mean use awk during the build, yes that's fine03:55
minghuaLaserJock: if you mean put awk in Build-Depends line in debian/control, no don't do that03:55
zakamehmmm, a build-dep on a virtual package doesn't seem to make sense, that would confuse the autobuilders03:55
LaserJockminghua: it is already in build-depends03:55
minghuaLaserJock: that's a bug, submit it :-)03:56
LaserJockminghua: well, I can change it since I am merging the package03:56
sistpotyzakame: in that case it shouldn't, as it's already there03:56
LaserJockI just don't know what to change it too03:56
minghuaLaserJock: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mentors@lists.debian.org/msg41249.html03:56
sistpotyLaserJock: do the least possible amount of changes between debian-packages and ubuntu-packages... if it's there and won't hurt leave it03:57
minghuaLaserJock: drop the awk dependence completely, awk is essential03:57
sistpotyLaserJock: but file a bug in BTS ;)03:57
minghuaLaserJock: as long as it's not a versioned dependence03:57
LaserJockminghua: no versioned dependece03:58
LaserJocksistpoty: so I should leave it for now even though I have to change other build-depends anyway?03:58
sistpotyLaserJock: yep, leave it... (least possible change)03:59
minghuahmm, apparently us.archive.ubuntu.com is not syncing their mirror for dapper everyday04:01
minghuahope they at least sync the security mirror04:01
LaserJockhow come there is no libttf2-dev? There is libttf-deb and libttf204:01
minghuaLaserJock: you mean libttf-dev, don't you?04:02
LaserJockminghua: sorry, yea libttf-dev, how come there is no libttf2-dev?04:02
minghuaLaserJock: that's normal, just use the libttf-dev04:02
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minghua-dev packages are not required to have the SONAME04:03
minghuaI think having only one -dev package is even encouraged04:03
LaserJockhmm, ok, that could be confusing04:03
minghuathose freetype 1 programs should really be ported to freetype 2 anyway...04:03
plugwashi think if there is no good reason to build against the old lib there should only be one -dev package but if there is then two are required04:04
minghuaplugwash: exactly04:04
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sistpotybmonty_laptop: I'm just taking a look at wesnoth-data-debdiff... maybe this will be my first upload as motu ;)04:06
edoardoi added my audio-conversion script to the universe candidates!04:07
edoardoain't it cool? : )04:09
bmonty_laptopsistpoty: thanks :)04:12
edoardowell, goodnight everyone! and thankyou you guys! see ya tomorrow! : )04:13
sistpotybmonty_laptop: I haven't built it yet ;)04:13
sistpotyedoardo: gn8... just a thought: maybe you could add a manpage for it (i tried --help first and it got confused)04:13
edoardopoor script, it's not trained to help out : ) well it's because mainly it's intended as a nautilus script04:14
edoardolike, you right click on files and convert them04:14
edoardoit can optionally be used as a bash script though04:14
edoardoyeah, maybe an --help function wouldn't be bad after all : )04:15
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sistpotysure it would... and a manpage as well (every binary/script should have one) ;)04:15
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LaserJockif I use lpbug.py should the website be updated right away?04:24
sistpotyLaserJock: no, the website is update by mail through the universe-bugs list...04:27
sistpotyupdated even04:27
LaserJocksistpoty: I'm not seeing any emails either04:27
minghuaHmm, should we assign bugs to universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com or universe-bugs@tiber.tauware.de?04:28
sistpotyLaserJock: I haven't tried lpbugs.py myself yet... only newmerge.py04:28
minghuathere are two addressed in malone04:28
sistpotyminghua: to lists@ubuntu.com04:29
LaserJockhow do you set up your email for this?04:29
minghuasistpoty: okay, I'll clarify on wiki as well04:29
sistpotyminghua: the list @tiber is only, because launchpad is not capable of assigning mails from two teams to the same email-adress04:30
sistpotyminghua: it's forwarded from tiber to universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com ;)04:31
sistpotyLaserJock: for what? for newmerge.py?04:31
minghuasistpoty: I see04:31
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sistpotyLaserJock: as i said, I haven't taken a look at this ;)04:32
LaserJockso how do you use newmerge.py?04:32
LaserJockis anybody using lpbugs.py?04:33
sistpotyLaserJock: try looking at the readme... or try newmerge.py --help04:34
LaserJocksistpoty: not much help, the readme is for lpbugs and newmerge.py --help doesn't give me much04:35
bmonty_laptopLaserJock: what package are they from?04:35
sistpotyLaserJock: argl... mom04:35
LaserJockbmonty_laptop: what?04:36
sistpotybmonty_laptop: see \sh's mail on -devel04:36
bmonty_laptopah...I haven't gotten through -devel today :)04:37
LaserJockso what do I do? should I just skip using motu-tools stuff?04:39
sistpotyLaserJock: mom... i just tried lpbugs.py ;)04:40
sistpotyLaserJock: there is my lpbugs.conf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/433704:41
sistpotyLaserJock: you need to copy (an adjusted version) to ~/.lpbugs04:41
LaserJocksistpoty: hmm, i don't know how to use sendmail04:42
sistpotyLaserJock: do you have a mail-server installeD?04:42
LaserJocksistpoty: not sure but I don't thinks so. I imap or ssh to my school server04:43
LaserJocki don't even have sendmail installed04:44
sistpotyLaserJock: you need smtp then... but I can't tell you how this works (as I even don't have the means to try this)04:45
LaserJockhmm, that seems to be the problem. I already tried it with the setting from Thunderbird04:45
sistpotyLaserJock: bug \sh tomorrow... maybe it's a bug ;)04:45
LaserJockhmm, ok, well I guess I will do it by hand04:48
sistpotyLaserJock: I guess, that newmerge.py won't help you either, as it uses mailx (unless you can send mails by "mail" on the shell)04:50
LaserJocksistpoty: I don't know, never tried it04:53
sistpotyLaserJock: then try to mail yourself a test-mail ;) mail you@email.address04:53
LaserJocksistpoty: is mail part of mailx, I don't have it04:53
minghuaI am looking at the package cppunit04:54
minghuathe only relevant ubuntu change left is in Build-Depends, from libqt3-mt-dev to libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu4)04:54
sistpotyLaserJock: ok, then I guess it won't work04:54
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minghuabut since the qt in dapper is sure to be GCC 4.0 ABI, can we just drop this change?04:55
minghuain that case, it's just a sync instead of a merge04:55
sistpotyminghua: if this was only because of gcc-transition, then sure ;)04:56
minghuasistpoty: well, the only previous ubuntu change is for c++ transition, so I suppose so04:57
minghuaanother easy one, then :-)04:57
sistpotyminghua: if the version in breezy is already as high as, than it's ok (we don't support upgrades from hoary to dapper)04:58
minghuasistpoty: good point, will check04:58
minghuasistpoty: yes it is04:59
sistpotybmonty_laptop: uploading wesnoth... this might take some time05:00
sistpotybmonty_laptop: if this is in the merge, could you please file merge bugs as well?05:00
sistpoty<-- needs another cigarette... brb05:01
crimsunhmm, I thought we were supposed to support Hoary->Dapper05:02
crimsun(since we support Warty->Breezy)05:02
LaserJockso are we assigning to universe-bugs@tiber.tauware.de or not?05:03
crimsunI'm using it for the new ones, yes05:03
bmonty_laptopsistpoty: thanks, I'll check the merge05:06
bmonty_laptopdoesn't look like wesnoth is a merge package05:07
minghuaLaserJock: according to sistpoty, no05:08
LaserJockminghua: interesting, some are some aren't05:08
LaserJockminghua: I'm going with lists.ubuntu.com05:08
minghua(21:30:39) sistpoty: minghua: the list @tiber is only, because launchpad is not capable of assigning mails from two teams to the same email-adress05:08
minghua(21:31:04) sistpoty: minghua: it's forwarded from tiber to universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com ;)05:08
minghuathese are the answers sistpoty gave me05:09
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minghuaso who should I bug to get the PendingUpload packages uploaded? :-)05:10
minghuaI have two easy one, just sync from debian05:10
sistpotyminghua: some motu... like me ;)05:10
minghuaand I really want cppunit to be in, as it's build dependency for aptitude05:11
sistpotyminghua: but this might take some time... as I can only forward these requests to elmo (and he seems quite busy)05:11
minghuasistpoty: cool, can you look at #4087 and #4173?05:11
sistpotyminghua: is cppunit in main then?05:11
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minghuasistpoty: no, it seems only for testing05:12
sistpotyah, k05:12
minghuasistpoty: aptitude don't link anything from cppunit AFAIK05:12
crimsunit can't if cppunit is in universe, since aptitude is in main05:12
bmonty_laptopcan't LaserJock forward the sync requests to elmo on his own (that is what i do)05:14
sistpotycrimsun: can you look at these please? (i should be in bed for a few hours actually)05:14
sistpotybmonty_laptop: he can... but I dunno if elmo will care then ;)05:15
bmonty_laptopI don't think elmo puts a high priority on sync requests for universe with everything else he has to do05:15
crimsunsistpoty: which, sorry, just returned from jdub's presentation05:16
crimsun4087 & 4173?05:16
crimsunyeah, I'll look05:16
sistpotythx crimsun :)05:16
crimsunminghua: I'll ask elmo to sync a whole bunch in a bit, just trying to queue them05:17
minghuacrimsun: great, thanks05:17
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bmonty_laptopgood night everyone05:30
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sistpotygn8 everybody05:55
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minghuawe have eclipse to merge?06:10
minghuaand there is not a proper ubuntu patch (it gives 2.1.3-4 -> 3.1.1-1ubuntu3) :-(06:11
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tritiumhi everyone07:11
LaserJockhi tritium07:11
tritiumWhat's going on, LaserJock?07:11
LaserJockdoing some merging, working on wiki and MOTUscience07:12
LaserJockbut I probably need to get to bed soon :(07:12
LaserJocktritium: can you review on REVU?07:13
tritiumLaserJock, I don't believe so.  If I can, I'm not aware of it.07:13
tritiumNor do I know if I really should be allowed to...07:14
LaserJockaren't you a MOTU?07:14
tritiumLaserJock, yes, but when I started preparing for my defense, I had to take a sabbatical.  Now I'm out of touch with things.07:16
crimsun(actually you can, Mike.)07:17
tritiumthanks, crimsun07:18
LaserJockwell, we have 2 new MOTUScience packages that are on REVU that could use some review07:18
tritiumLaserJock, ah, okay.07:18
LaserJocktritium: if you have time. the packages are plotdrop and flowdesigner07:19
tritiumLaserJock, all right.  I'll see what I can do.07:19
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LaserJockok, gotta go. cya07:22
tritiumTake care, LaserJock07:22
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tritiumI can't login to revu.  When I use the "recover" link to get my password, and attempt to decrypt it as instructed, I get nothing07:59
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crimsunthey're probably just waking up in a few hours08:02
Mithrandirslomo_: np08:02
tritiumcrimsun, who?08:03
crimsuntritium: sh, siretart, etc.08:07
crimsun(the REVU guys)08:07
tritiumthanks, I'll see if I can stay awake much longer ;)08:08
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BurgundaviaLathiat, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4427160.stm08:35
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zakamehi all08:50
zakamesiretart: shall new motu merge bugs be assigned to the new motumergers team?08:57
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zakamehi doko08:58
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siretartzakame: yes, I will reassign all old bugs soon09:19
magnonhey reinhardt09:22
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magnonsiretart: haven't got started with it yet this week, we got our new governmental budget last night :P09:23
slomozakame: ping?09:23
viviersfmagnon, exept for kamion who can i talk to about the ubuntu / debian installer ?09:24
viviersfthe old 1 that is09:24
slomozakame: gpsd definitly can't be synced! the merged version has to be uploaded09:25
magnonthe old one isn't scrapped entirely though09:25
viviersfyeah magnon09:25
viviersfi need to find out09:25
viviersfwhen the installer itself starts09:25
viviersfthe ncurses part09:25
viviersfit loads a set list of modules09:25
viviersfand i need a list of them09:26
magnonkamion is the assignee for all the UX specs09:26
slomozakame: but gtkpbbuttons can be synced09:26
viviersfhe is never here09:27
viviersfand i need the impilinux cd to boot09:27
viviersfim not using all the old stuff09:28
viviersfcos im not using cloop09:28
zakameslomo: pong... sorry, I was on another box merging...09:28
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zakameslomo: yep, gpsd can't be synced, was about to change my report, merge must be uploaded09:29
zakamehi siretart, \sh09:31
magnonhum ti dum09:32
viviersflo \sh09:32
zakamemagnon: ty?09:32
magnonthis is sad.09:36
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magnonthey break contract all the time, tell lies about what I've said on the phone (like "you said you didn't care about $foo breaking!") etc.09:37
magnonthis is the school that, when we told them that they should do a wireless connection between the school and the new office house which was 20 meters away, mounted an unshielded cat5 hanging from a 440V power line without noticing me09:38
magnonI can't take it anymore :P09:38
siretarthey magnonm huhu zakame09:38
siretartokay, I slept to long, I really need to go to university09:39
magnonhave fun tartie09:39
zakamesiretart: good luck! :D09:39
siretartcould anyone please update MOTUToMerge?09:39
magnonLathiat: imagine packet loss :P09:39
\shsiretart: too long?09:39
siretartbugs about merging should be filed against 'motumergers'09:39
viviersfim still having jetlag after the ubz trip09:39
zakamesiretart: I'm moving my bugs to motumergers now :)09:40
siretart\sh: morning. I didn't hear the alarm clock, and I wanted to be at university at this time09:40
magnonviviersf: just drop sleeping one night, worked for me .P09:40
viviersfi wake up at 1 am and im looking for breakfast09:40
siretartthey are doing a linux setup party this afternoon, and I was asked to attend :)09:40
viviersfheh magnon , barely slepts last night09:40
\shsiretart: damn...ok..so hurry up :)09:40
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Nafallodo we really need that stupid thing?09:40
\shsiretart: did u read the announcement on -devel ML?09:42
\shbtw..i'm implementing PendingUpload update function09:42
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slomozakame: please don't fill 1000000000000 bugs for merges... fill some, get them done, fill new ones, etc...09:43
sivangmorning all09:45
minghuahi \sh, how is the progress on arpack++ package?09:45
Nafallothat amount is like 10+ complete archives :-)09:45
minghuaI did the previous changes on arpack++ (mostly c++ transitions), and if you have difficult dealing with it, I can help09:46
zakameslomo: yes, I am doing just that :) but sorry if I've stepped on anyone :(09:46
\shminghua: I tested lpbugs with it...but i'll do it later this day09:47
minghua\sh: okay, just asking.  I intended to do the packages I worked for c++ transition, but found you picked arpack++ up :-)09:48
\shminghua: you are welcome to take over...just change the motu09:50
minghua\sh: going to sleep soon, if you haven't found time to do it tomorrow, I'll take it over :-)09:51
slomozakame: np... just get them all done :)09:51
zakameslomo: am doing my best :)09:51
\shif anybody has a merge package which bug status has to be set to pending upload, please give me the bug number pls09:51
\shok..found one09:53
Nafallohttp://newtechinc.blogspot.com/2005/11/using-sonys-drm-against-itself.html <-- LOL09:55
slomo\sh: what's the easiest way to publish a bzr branch per webdav? is more needed than loading mod_webdav?09:55
\shslomo: yes...a bzr plugin which everybody needs but nobody implemented09:58
slomo\sh: so how is http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools working? readonly from remote?09:59
Nafalloslomo: bzr log :-)10:03
\shslomo: yes...readonly from remote...the rest is local branches in your homedir or publicly available on some other webserver...so we can merge remotely from another branch of motu-tools10:04
slomook, sounds like svn is more suited for my use-case atm ;)10:06
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\shslomo: check the bzr plugins10:12
\shslomo: it should not be so difficult to add webdav functionality10:12
\shsiretart: please merge ~shermann/motu-tools to your branch...I've added pending upload update bug functionality10:13
slomo\sh: ok, when it doesn't support webdav for remote writing... does it support ssh?10:14
Nafalloslomo: sftp IIRC10:15
slomoand can it handle binary files?10:16
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Nafalloslomo: http://bazaar.canonical.com/BzrFAQ10:18
slomoah thanks :)10:18
\shslomo: http://bazaar.canonical.com/BzrPlugins10:19
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slomook, it's really nothing for my use case =) i need a centralized rcs...10:30
\shslomo: what do u want to do?10:30
slomo\sh: managing my uni stuff (mostly tex, some pdf)... before i used a svn repo on my server and synced from/to this on my pc and laptop10:31
\shslomo: what is the problem using scp or sftp?10:32
\shactually we were discussion the usecase of webdav :)10:33
\shfor bzr10:33
slomo\sh: and with bzr it seems like i need to pull on the server from the branches on laptop/pc to get the most up-to-date version always on the server10:33
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\shbut kinnison wasn't sure if the bzr hackers should implement a webdav server module as well (just like svn) or if they should use the default webdav module10:33
\shslomo: use push via rsync10:34
slomo\sh: oh there is push... hrm, bzr needs to be more verbose :P10:35
\shslomo: it's in bzr tools10:35
\shslomo: it's a plugin10:35
Nafalloslomo: either that or you need to start reading docs ;-)10:36
\shslomo: the good thing behind bzr is, you can extend its functionality via plugins which is quite transparent10:36
Nafalloand push is in bzr aswell :-)10:36
Nafallonafallo@darkelf:~ $ bzr help push10:37
Nafallousage: bzr push [LOCATION] 10:37
Nafallonafallo@darkelf:~ $ apt-cache policy bzrtools10:37
Nafallo  Installerad: (ingen)10:37
Nafallomorning dholbach :-)10:37
\shmoins dholbach10:38
slomohi dholbach10:38
Nafalloyay bzr! /me just merged \sh's branch ;-)10:38
\sh7topic MOTUs with bzr fever :)10:39
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\shNafallo: do a bzr viz10:39
slomo\sh: does it support rsync over ssh? what would the location be if my repo is on slomosnail.de in /home/slomo/test ? ;)10:40
\shslomo: honestly i didn't use it yet..but it should work with rsync over ssh10:40
\shslomo: use the source luke :)10:40
Nafallo\sh: unknown command :-)10:41
\shNafallo: apt-get install bzrk10:41
\shfrom jbaileys repos10:41
slomo\sh: hrm, but i'm so lazy :(10:41
NafalloI know. but do I need it? :-)10:42
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\shdef rsync(source, target, ssh=False, excludes=(), silent=False,10:43
\shslomo: it can use ssh10:43
slomothanks :) no i only need to find out what the url has to look like ;)10:43
Nafallo\sh: why don't you remove newmerge.py from the bzr-repo? :-)10:45
\shNafallo: because it's siretarts...i don't remove someones source :)10:46
slomo\sh: doesn't work... anyway, i'll try this evening... next lecture starts soon ;)10:46
Nafallobaah, it confused me at first ;-)10:47
Nafallodidn't know which one to use before I read the log :-P10:47
Nafallolpbugs.py -n kismet?10:48
dholbachsiretart: awake?10:50
\shdholbach: he's at university10:50
dholbachah right10:51
\shNafallo: to file a new bug against a src package: lpbugs.py -n <sourcepackage>10:51
dholbachbecause one of the scripts assigned 4034 to the motu mergers10:51
dholbachi reassigned it10:51
Nafallosmtplib.SMTPException: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server.10:52
NafalloTLS please ;-)10:52
\shNafallo: grmpf10:52
\shdon't u have plain?10:52
Nafalloyes, through TLS :-)10:52
NafalloI only have AUTH with TLS :-)10:52
siretartdholbach: now I'm in my office10:53
\shNafallo: ok...use sendmail instead as long as I have a solution for that...just reading about some pitfalls with smtplib and tls auth10:54
Nafallooki. I'll wait then :-)10:54
Nafallodarkelf won't have an smtpd ;-)10:54
dholbachsiretart: 4034 was assigned to motumergers - just a headsup10:55
siretartUbugtu: bug 403410:56
Ubugtu(bug <abbreviation> <number>) -- Look up bug <number> in the bugzilla associated with <abbreviation>.10:56
UbugtuMalone bug #4034: Nautilus crashes when it's opened twice as user as root Fix req. for: nautilus (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Rejected http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/403410:56
siretartdholbach: oh, must have been a typo. sorry!10:57
siretartdholbach: as I see it it is already fixed, right?10:57
\shdholbach: where to assign? u missed a gpg signature :) and an affects path10:57
dholbachsiretart: don't worry, just a headsup, before any of your scripts run berserk10:58
dholbachoh that's necessary10:58
dholbachi see10:58
dholbachwell then next time10:58
siretartdholbach: \sh did a near complete rewrite10:58
\shdholbach: what was the assignee again?10:58
\shdholbach: i'm doing it manually now10:59
siretart\sh: I already did it10:59
\shah ok10:59
siretartreassigning to Ubuntu Gnome Team (via web frontend)10:59
\shdholbach: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc11:00
dholbach\sh: yeah, thanks11:00
\shdholbach: for status/ assignee stuff u need always an affects path like /distros/ubuntu/<product>11:01
\shNafallo: I found a solution..I'll hack it into lpbugs this evening11:02
\shwhen i'm at ogras place and have some barcadi with me :)11:02
\shwhich means...I should get up from my bed now and have a shower11:03
Nafallooki :-)11:03
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\shlooks like I have to rearrange the sendMail func11:03
janimodholbach, remember I tried getting an evince fork package into breezy11:03
janimoI still want that for dapper and I'll ask you some advice11:04
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janimothe code is evince vanilla + a big patch11:04
janimonow for aan ubuntu package which would be the best route to take11:05
janimoso that I piss off the fewest people as possible?11:05
dholbachgood question11:05
janimoI first thought of adding it to the evince package11:05
janimoso it builds two binary debs11:05
janimodoing two compiles11:05
janimobut that may make it unsafe for me to go to france11:06
janimoanother is do a separate evince-gtk package11:06
janimoseb128 lives there :)11:06
janimothe two package will be able to install side by side as I won't duplicate paths11:07
janimocan I use an upstream orig.tgz for a package which is called differently and for which there's already another package11:08
dholbachjanimo: how does upstream like the big patch?11:08
janimoI guess it's the same with the mozilla package11:08
janimodholbach, upstream are gnome people obviously they'd rather me use gnome instead of ripping it out of teir work :)11:08
janimothey don't IOW :)11:09
janimoit would mean ifdefs for them so I sympathize completely btw11:09
janimoand the big patch's bigness is mostly removing stuff, it's little new code11:10
janimoso from a strictly ubuntu uni point of view is it ok to make a package which uses the same upstream tgz as another?11:10
dholbachi just wonder about bug reports and everything, it's a hacky situation11:11
janimoI want this to not be associated with evince besides crediting11:11
janimoit won;t be called evince so people don;t bug them11:11
dholbachjanimo: in some cases we had no other choice, so yes, those cases do exist11:11
janimoalthiugh I am pretty sure it's bugs will be relevant to upstream but hey11:11
janimoI really want a nice doc viewer w/o too many deps for xubu and writing one from scratch is not an option :)11:12
dholbachi will think about it and talk to seb... how well is the patch maintained? will there be an "upstream" to check for new evince versions?11:13
janimowell I surely intend to maintain it11:14
dholbachso you wrote it?11:14
janimoimport fixes from CVS, but not much more I think if they go the gnome office route11:14
janimobut evince right now is near perfect for what it is supposed to do :)11:14
janimoyes I hacked it as wrote is an overstatement ;)11:14
janimoI'll keep an official upstream but I thiught it would be easier to just have the vanilla upstream and keep my patch in debian/patches11:15
dholbachi will talk to seb11:15
dholbachi see your need11:15
janimook thanks11:15
janimomaking it part of the evince package as I thiugh earlier is not a good idea actually as it would need to keep pace with upstream11:16
janimoso it is a fork happening at 0.4.0 with possibnility of following upstream but no promise11:17
janimoyou may point seb to this irclog if anything is unclear to him or let him ping me on irc11:17
janimothanks again11:17
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dholbachde rien :)11:19
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siretart\sh: just filed my first merge bug with lpbugs (had to iptable and tunnel smtp because of facist firewalling here)11:54
siretart\sh: GREAT WORK man!11:54
\shsiretart: well..it was your idea...I just rearranged some pieces of code :)11:54
\shI need to fix this with smtp tls auth...11:55
\shbut this is not difficult11:55
dholbachjanimo: would you care to hop on #ubuntu-desktop11:56
\shI have to split out some stuff from sendMail to make it more "indipendent"11:56
\shsiretart: do u know if there is a tool which reformats bad formatted python code to good formatted python code?11:58
siretarti dont consider it that hard to configure exim4 in client mode11:58
siretart\sh: eclipse? eric3? dunno11:59
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\shsiretart: uh....not eclipse...I use emacs..but u know..I don't do this var = bla11:59
\shi do var=bla11:59
siretart\sh: try indent(1)12:00
siretartperhaps there is something like that for python, too12:00
\shsiretart: lets see12:04
\shNafallo: is your tls server running on a different port?12:12
NafalloI try to always follow specs where possible :-)12:14
\shwell...tls can run on 587 as well12:14
\shanyways..I added smtp_port to the config12:14
Nafallothat's more like ssmtp :-)12:15
Nafallohehe, oki. nice :-)12:15
dholbachslomo_: awake?12:17
janimoguys, which of you is the tiber admin? could I too get some publishing space?12:23
dholbachthere are quite some admins :)12:24
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\shNafallo: wanna try?12:24
janimois it a canonical box?12:25
\shNafallo: i'm pushing the changes just now on tiber12:25
janimoI used to have space on jblack's sourcecontrol.net but seems gone12:25
Nafallo\sh: yes :-)12:26
\shok...merge the ~shermann/motu-tools branch now :)12:26
Nafallowhat's up with gksudo!?12:28
Nafalloit freezes my whole darkelf12:28
Nafallohave to CTRL+ALT+F1 and kill a sudo process12:28
Nafalloaha, I have to commit merges :-P12:30
\shNafallo: adjust your lpbugs.conf please12:30
\shNafallo: see the conf file in the branch for the changes12:30
NafalloConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option 'yourname' in section: 'MAIL'12:33
\shNafallo: argl12:33
\shin lpbugs.conf12:33
Nafallosomething you forgot to add?12:33
\shYourName=your name12:33
\shYourEmail=just your email12:34
\shdamn...i forgot to mention it in lpbugs.conf12:34
\shfixed now :)12:35
\shyes..that's what I got as well12:36
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\shNafallo: vi lpbugs.py search for smtpSession.helo()12:36
Nafallowe need to tell the server we want to use TLS before sending auth12:36
\shNafallo: change it with smtpSession.ehlo12:36
\shNafallo: thats what i'm doing12:37
\shNafallo: change it with smtpSession.ehlo() i mean12:37
Nafallooki :-)12:43
\shlooks like ... i fixed this bug as well12:43
\shfirst starttls12:43
\shthen ehlo12:43
\shresult something like working..lets wait12:43
Nafallonice that worked :-)12:45
\shi'll commit12:46
\shu can pull the changes now12:48
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NafalloI think they are all the same now or something :-P12:51
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\shshermann is the latest12:51
\shand working :)12:51
NafalloI merged both ;-)12:51
NafalloI love bzr :-)12:52
Nafallohmm, anyone have something like an mysql to postgresql faq or something ;-)12:53
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sistpotyhi folks12:55
Nafallomorning siretart12:55
Nafallomorning sistpoty12:55
\shmoisn sistpoty12:56
sistpoty<-- still tired *g*12:57
\shsistpoty: lpbugs works now with smtp tls auth as well :)12:57
sistpotycool \sh12:57
siretarthey Nafallo, huhu sistpoty12:58
sistpoty' \sh: last night LaserJock had some trouble with it... actually with the smtp-part, but I couldn't help him through this12:58
sistpotyhuhu siretart12:58
\shsistpoty: should be solved now :)12:58
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sistpotyhttp://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/mergeWebTool/ <-- bzr repo, in case s.o. wants to take a look at DaD ;)12:59
sistpotyMoms company ;)01:00
sistpotythe webtool *g*01:00
sistpotybtw.: behold the new look... isn't that cruel any longer01:01
\shThe database was constructed from this and that and this also and just to be complete.01:03
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\shthis is the best01:04
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\shsiretart: ping01:27
\shplease check bug 403001:27
UbugtuMalone bug #4030: nethack: merge new debian version Fix req. for: ace (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Fixed http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/403001:27
\shthere is something wrong01:27
\sh Bug #4030 in ace (Ubuntu): "nethack: merge new debian version"01:27
UbugtuMalone bug #4030: nethack: merge new debian version Fix req. for: ace (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Fixed http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/403001:27
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janimocan revu act as a regular repo?01:43
janimoa sort of debian experimantal01:43
\shfor this personal apt-getable repositories via LP will be the solution01:44
janimooh nice01:44
janimoit'd be nice to have a staging repo used only by motu's for quick revu and testing01:44
janimobut with no guarrantees so version numbers can be changed etc.01:44
\shthis u can do with revu ... u don't have a apt-getable repository thats all01:45
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janimo\sh that is enough to raise the barrier and make it more complicated to use01:45
dholbachwe'll get that for launchpad01:45
janimoany ETA?01:45
dholbachi guess they have more pressing matters at hand01:46
janimoI already think of recursive names such as Masters of the MOTUverse01:46
sistpotybug 418701:46
UbugtuMalone bug #4187: haddock: merge new debian version Fix req. for: haddock (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/418701:46
\shjanimo: which should be the case...I don't want to screw around with broken packages from revu and complaining users01:47
janimo\sh, raising the barriers not necessarily == raising quality01:47
\shas a universe uploader u know what to do, and u know the risk when u test packages01:48
janimoI hate doing tedious work01:48
janimo\sh, yeah I wish I always knew what to do ;)01:48
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janimoit'd be nice to just update apt-get source testpkg01:49
janimoreview, maybe fix, upload etc01:49
janimodoing it through the browser is slow and annoying at least to me01:50
siretartsistpoty: \sh: I'm not sure if you already noticed, madison-lite on tiber is operational since yesterday evening01:50
siretarttry 'madison-lite ace'01:50
\shwow incredible :)01:51
sistpoty<-- waiting *G*01:51
\shjanimo: if u review, u don't fix01:52
sistpotywow, that's nice01:52
\shjanimo: the uploader should fix it01:52
\shjanimo: and doing the final upload...means, sign the upload with your key, so u have to be sure, what u sign01:52
janimo\sh, that is unnecessary policy IMHO but it may have it's advantages (cluestick application)01:53
janimoit would be the same thing as now only more streamlined and automated01:53
\shjanimo: it's not unnecessary for new packagers to learn....01:53
sistpoty' \sh: btw. because you say uploading... I think I don't get the trick yet01:53
janimoyeah that's what I meant by cluestick01:54
janimoI need it often too01:54
janimoapplied on me of course01:54
\shsistpoty: what? bzr sftp? did u install the sftp plugin?01:54
sistpoty' \sh no, dput to dapper01:54
sistpotyI wanted to sponsor wesnoth for bmonty...01:54
\shbmonty has his name and email address in the changeloig01:55
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\shu do a debuild -S -k<your gpg email> (eventually a -sa for source)01:55
\shit will now create a dsc, diff.gz, and .changes file01:56
\shsigned with your key but changelog name of bmonty01:56
\shthen dput ubuntu wesnoth_*.changes01:56
sistpoty' \sh that's what i did (actually full source), and dput this to upload.ubuntu.com01:56
\shyes..bmonty will get katie mail01:56
pefdo I absolutely need a signed gpg key  to have upload rights ?01:57
sistpoty' \sh: but the upload never succeeded (it hung) so I retried without orig...01:57
\shsistpoty: hung?01:57
\shpef: for universe?01:57
sistpoty'\sh It said uploading orig.tar.gz..., then I went to bed and this morning it still wasn't finisehd01:57
\shsistpoty: well...are u sure, your connection wasn't dropped during upload?01:58
sistpotyone can never be sure *g*01:58
pef\sh: yes01:58
\shi would say: connection dropped01:58
\shbad luck this time :)01:58
sistpotybut the orig from last build is the same as current orig... so a source-only upload should have succeeded?01:58
\shpef: the policy was/is you should have at least one known signature01:58
sistpotyupload w.o. orig i mean01:59
\shsistpoty: yes...if the orig.tar.gz is not changed, an normal upload is enough (means without -sa)01:59
pef\sh: I have one from another MOTU, but I still cannot upload, and my address is whitelisted (asked to elmo)02:00
sistpotyhm... I did this more than an hour ago... but still no mail :(02:00
pefsistpoty: your uploads silentely dissapears ?02:00
sistpotypef: seems so02:00
\shpef: which means, that elmo hasn't had the time to include your key in the ring..which means he's very busy at ubz02:00
\shsistpoty: with bmontys name in the changelog?02:01
\shsistpoty: then bmonty will get the mail02:01
janimoI have a package that has a makefile included but which nevertheless regenerates it at build so I'll have diffs02:01
pef\sh: so it's just a question of time :)02:01
janimoin order to reduce the diffs is it ok to save the makefile and then restore it after build02:01
janimoso the diff does not have these iirrelevant chganges?02:02
sistpoty' \sh: but shouldn't i get a mail on dapper-changes... at least I got one from your upload of ace...02:02
sistpotyasc even02:02
\shsistpoty: sure...if there was no error ... and the only one who can give u this information is bmonty,02:03
sistpotysh: ok... will ask him then ;)02:03
sistpoty<-- out for a cigarette02:03
\shpef_aw: it is02:03
KyralI was supposed to be at my computer incaseo someone needed help with Ubuntu, but I go aff to screw around on my floor. Lo and behold...02:05
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sistpotycya later02:15
zakamebye sistpoty02:16
edoardohi gals, hi dudes : )02:16
zakamehi edoardo02:18
edoardoi've added my script to the universe candidates. what could i do now? : )02:18
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sivangguys, how is dapper these days? usable?02:29
sivang(I want to dist-upgrade)02:29
zakameit is usable, at least a bit :)02:29
zakamethough I'm still running it as a chroot02:30
sivangzakame: you have everything mounted etc?02:30
zakamemotus: ping, requesting sync for boa-constructor :)02:30
zakamesivang: following the DebootstrapChroot howto, I think so02:31
sivangzakame: ok , I was just checking to see if there any benefit for running it natively on the machine02:31
zakamesivang: I hope to run it natively as soon as my parish bookstore/office's dsl got approved :)02:32
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zakamehi ogra02:37
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infowolfejust wondering, why make it such a pain in the rear to actually become a maintainer?03:14
ograinfowolfe, ?03:15
infowolfelet's say i'd like to submit an svn/lighttpd/rubygems package for universe...03:16
infowolfewhy do i have to jump through a _bunch_ of hoops, JUST so i can provide ubuntu users with a svn that doesn't segfault?03:17
dholbach infowolfe which hoops?03:17
infowolfewiki-fiddling, signing up for an account on wiki.ubuntu.com and launchpad.net, writing a bio (including links to how i've helped people in the open source world), etc etc etc03:19
ograinfowolfe, do you want to submit some work or do you want to become maintainer ?03:19
Nafalloehm, you don't? we sponsor people. you just need to upload to revu :-)03:19
ograsubmitting stuff just needs a sponsore03:19
dholbachinfowolfe: if you just want to get a fix included and don't care about becoming a regular maintainer, upload your fix to REVU, get it reviewed and included03:20
infowolfedholbach, alright, well, that seems a _whole_ lot more reasonable ;-)03:20
infowolfehow long do things normally sit in revu?03:20
Nafalloforever :-)03:20
dholbachinfowolfe: as a maintainer, you NEED to care, care about documentation, communication with fellow maintainers, ...03:20
dholbachinfowolfe: don't rule possibilites out, before you tried them03:20
infowolfedholbach, the few things that I'd be interested in helping with are excellently documented already03:21
dholbachinfowolfe: i rather referred to your statement regarding "wiki fiddling"03:22
Mithrandiralso, subversion is in main.03:22
ograinfowolfe, if people wnat to be real maintainers, there is a lot more to do and a very open access to the build systems, so we need to be sure we can trust people and can trust their packaging skills before the are allowed to break packages ;)03:22
ograthats why there are somme hoops to jum through...03:22
infowolfeogra, which is definately reasonable, Mithrandir, subversion in breezy is version 1.2.0 -- which is broken.03:22
dholbachinfowolfe: if you can provide us with a fixed version, we could get that through breezy-backports ... as i said in #gnome-debian03:23
Mithrandirinfowolfe: what's broken about it?03:23
infowolfeMithrandir, segfaults.03:23
Mithrandirinfowolfe: works fine for me, hence, in what cases?03:24
Mithrandirinfowolfe: also, bug #?03:24
dholbachinfowolfe: could you provide us with a backtrace and a bug report?03:24
infowolfeMithrandir, already spoke with dholbach about it... see the changelog03:24
dholbachinfowolfe: we're currently merging our changes with the debian packages... if you want to give us a hand there, then it's highly appreciated03:25
Mithrandirinfowolfe: there is no newer version of subversion in Dapper.03:25
dholbachMithrandir: he meant the upstream changelog, i suppose03:25
infowolfeMithrandir, i sent you a /msg with the appropriate link to upstream's changelog03:26
Mithrandirnone of those seem to be very critical, imo.03:26
infowolfesvn unlock url isn't critical?03:26
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Mithrandirno?  svn is usually not used like RCS, it's more or less lockless.03:27
infowolfeMithrandir, if you use svn for read-only access, sure, none of the bugs are a problem, if you have a buggy client (like rapidsvn) that locks a repo prior to commit and then segfaults (as the version in breezy has been known to do) it's very possible to create _another_ segfault by attempting to unlock.03:28
MithrandirI have never ever used locks in any VCS except RCS.03:28
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edoardoyou guys, i'm the author of an audio conversion script which is becomin' really popular lately. it's called audio convert. i've added it to the univers candidates wiki. many ubuntu users have already asked me for a deb package. but i dunno how to make'em, and bein' the author of the script, the installer, and the ebuild, and havin' a busy life, i don't have time to learn how to make one. can anyone help me out? please? thankyou! : )03:31
dholbachwe need the motu audio team more and more :)03:36
siretartdholbach: we could merge them in the motumedia team, I think03:37
dholbachmagnon: how does edoardo's audio conversion script sound to you?03:38
magnonwhere is it?03:38
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edoardoit's here03:38
magnonI can't see it03:38
magnonah, ty03:38
edoardoor in the universe candidates wiki03:38
edoardounder audio convert03:38
magnonyou gave it a very non-googleable name :(03:39
magnonI'll install it now03:39
edoardobut it is becomin' popular though, somehow. i think freshmeat helps a lot in that sense03:40
magnonshould make a pygtk ui ;)03:41
edoardodid you use it?03:43
magnonI have it installed now03:43
magnonthe problem with scripts is that Nautilus will give you the option on _any_ script03:44
magnonany file03:44
magnonI mean03:44
edoardothat's why i added a 'format not supported' error message if the user runs it on a file that's not audio : )03:45
magnona problem with packaging it is getting the script link to all users though03:47
dholbachedoardo: i packaged soundconverter, maybe you can have a look, how that is done?03:48
infowolfedholbach, any idea who's going to pick up lighttpd?03:49
edoardothe linkin'... well, it's done through the installer. it's not that hard03:49
dholbachinfowolfe: it's on http://revu.tauware.de, as i said in #gnome-debian03:49
magnonedoardo: for the user that installs it, yes.03:49
infowolfedholbach, so what needs to be done to push it forward?03:49
magnonso it wouldn't be a very sexy package03:50
edoardolike, in gentoo when you emerge the ebuild there's a message that says: 'run audio-convert-install' as user. and that's it03:50
magnonthat's not sexy :p03:50
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dholbachinfowolfe: fixing the bugs that were stated by reviewers03:50
infowolfedholbach, didn't see any bugs03:50
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edoardomagnon, well you know packages better than me. is there any way to put it in automatic?03:51
dholbachchanging user configuration files (stuff in /home) is a no go for packages03:51
magnonedoardo: I don't think nautilus has global scripts03:52
magnonmaybe it has, I dunno03:52
infowolfedholbach, i'll sign up for an account on revu, 1.3.16 is pretty old, lighty development is quite fast (weigon works on lighttpd fulltime)03:52
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dholbachinfowolfe: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU03:52
edoardomagnon, no no, it don't. that's the issue : )03:52
infowolfedholbach, seen it... grep "needle" haystack?03:52
infowolfeand again, i'm not seeing any bugs other than internal packaging stuff.03:53
infowolfeon a package that's quite old (1.4.7 is current)03:53
dholbachinfowolfe: yeah, the packaging must be good, to get it uploaded03:53
magnonthen I would like to see a nicer method to do such a conversion if _I_ were to maintain the package, but if you find anyone to package it and upload it to REVU, noone will demand anything more. :)03:53
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dholbachedoardo: libnautilus-extension might be the key03:53
infowolfedholbach, any way to remove the current lighttpd from revu so i can re-submit with current stuff?03:53
dholbachinfowolfe: what are you referring to needle-haystack-wise?03:53
dholbachinfowolfe: just re-submit03:53
infowolfedholbach, wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU ;-)03:54
dholbachinfowolfe: it's surely mentioned on the MOTU pages, which is referred to in the channels topic03:54
edoardodholbach, what is it? remember that mine is a script, not a plugin03:54
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dholbachedoardo: nautilus doesnt have a global scripts directory, because extensions can be written03:55
infowolfedholbach, again, grep "needle" haystack (it doesn't help to refer to documentation that seems convoluted via cross-linking when a quick answer would work just as well)03:55
magnonedoardo: maybe expand the base of it a little? :)03:55
dholbachedoardo: i just referred to "that's the issue" :)03:55
edoardomagnon, meanin'?03:55
magnonif you give me a pygtk app, mainly converting with gstreamer if possible, which is HIG and has a nautilus extension, I'll maintain it ;D03:56
dholbachinfowolfe: if you read the page, you will see, that it contains information, thats important to understand the REVU process03:56
dholbachinfowolfe: if reading it is too much, then i'm sorry, but it's just the way it is03:56
magnonyour issue was to find someone to make a package03:56
infowolfedholbach, reading, while doing user support and updating upstream information on a package that ubuntu has let sit in your REVU system since august IS too much to ask, especially when i'm _attempting_ to HELP your distro.03:57
dholbachinfowolfe: what do you think we're all doing?03:57
edoardomagnon, yeah. but it's probably not that hard, is it? why is it so hard to find someone then? besides, i would only need a skeleton and some guidance. i can make the package meself if it's necessary03:58
dholbachinfowolfe: we're all reading, supporting users, updating packages and review packages03:58
magnonedoardo: which is why dholbach pointed you to the soundconverter package, it can probably help :)03:58
dholbachinfowolfe: and if you have a closer look... the package maintainer didng follow up03:58
edoardomagnon, awright, where do i find the package?03:58
infowolfedholbach, being rude, dismissive, elitist, and generally pigheaded, as can normally be expected of #debian -- when i get a moment, i'll attempt to sign up for revu, at this time, i don't have that moment, maybe in an hour or so03:58
magnonedoardo: you don't run ubuntu?03:59
dholbachinfowolfe: are you telling me, i was rude, dismissive, an elitist and generally pigheaded?03:59
edoardomagnon, nope. i was asked to make a package by several ubuntu users though. and i find the distro very interestin'. but i run gentoo : )03:59
infowolfedholbach, on #gnome-debian, and with regards to me wondering why packages that have been updated months ago upstream haven't been updated yet, yes.04:00
magnonedoardo: you know ubuntu is an ancient african word that means "I'm sick and tired of compiling Gentoo", right04:00
infowolfepointing to the same documentation repeatedly doesn't lend itself to clarity04:00
dholbachi told you more than once, that it might help to produce a fixed/updated/whatevered package and get it up for review, so it can be uploaded04:01
edoardomagnon, i thought it meant 'everyone together', or somethin' like that : )04:01
dholbachif you don't want to read the documentation on the processes for that, how i can help?04:01
magnonedoardo: oh, that too, but that's secondary :P04:01
edoardomagnon, no but really, where can i find it? : )04:04
magnonoh, right04:04
dholbachinfowolfe: just fyi: i was the only one inviting you to participate in that conversation, so i won't take your accusations, thank you very much04:05
magnonedoardo: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/soundconverter/04:05
magnon*dsc is package description, download tarball and apply diff.04:05
edoardoso i don't download .deb?04:06
dholbachthe deb doesnt tell you, how it is "assembled"04:06
edoardooh it's like a binary?04:06
dholbach.diff.gz, .dsc and .orig.tar.gz are called the source package04:07
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freeflyingdose who maintain soundconvert?04:10
dholbachfreeflying: i maintain soundconverter... if you mean that package04:10
dholbachfreeflying: apt-cache show <package> | grep Maintainer can tell04:10
dholbachalthough that's not true for packages we have from debian .... hrm04:11
dholbachforget what i said :)04:11
freeflyingit will dependant on libtag04:11
freeflyingbut it can not sole this in breezy04:11
freeflyingI mean build it04:12
dholbachit's a python package04:12
freeflyingsure? I got it from revu04:13
dholbachfreeflying: and it doesn't import anything that might be id3/tag related04:13
dholbachfreeflying: it's included since breezy04:13
dholbachjust     grep import soundconverter.py04:14
dholbachi'm off for a walk04:15
dholbachsee you later04:15
freeflyingsorry? I mean this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=65204:15
dholbachthat's something different04:16
dholbachit' s     soundkonverter, which seems to be a kde package04:16
dholbachfreeflying: you may want to talk to tonio, but he's not here atm04:16
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\shmorning jeff04:24
jbaileyg'morning. =)04:25
magnonmorning, jeff!04:26
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rob^^^how hard is it to get a backport created? Rhythmbox from sid built just fine last week and enabled Avahi browing and playing of iTunes shares.04:35
slomo_rob^^^: real hard in that case... you need avahi in main for that and it isn't in main yet even for dapper04:38
rob^^^slomo: so there are no universe backports?04:38
slomo_rob^^^: sure... but rhythmbox is main, avahi is universe (for breezy)... main packages can only depend on other main packages04:39
slomo_rob^^^: and daap doesn't work good right now anyway ;)04:45
rob^^^slomo: what do you mean, it seemed to be working04:45
rob^^^did iTunes change?04:45
slomo_try scrolling into one song, change to another, start one, skip to the next, etc04:46
slomo_sometimes it leads to unexpected behaviour ;)04:46
Amaranthdid itunes change what?04:47
rob^^^their implementation of DAAP04:47
Amaranthitunes 6 probably changed their daap auth again04:47
Amaranththey seem to do that at the same time they change the store04:47
Amaranthwhich 6 did04:47
janimoslomo_:  are you one of the tiber.t.de admins?04:48
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slomo_janimo: what do you want to be done?04:59
janimoan account if possible for publishing04:59
janimoarchives, patches, etc04:59
janimoI need it for xubuntu seeds too05:00
slomo_janimo: hm, ask \sh_away, siretart, sistpoty or ajmitch_05:01
janimook thanks05:01
janimosiretart, ajmitch_ ^ ?05:02
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slomo_hm, elmo doesn't sync currently?05:21
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slomo_\sh_away: would you mind if dnspython is synced from debian and your version overriden?05:43
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highvoltagetonight is the night i'm taking the plunge.06:21
highvoltageogra: what's the first thing i should do on the way to becoming a motu. I knew i asked you before, but that was a rough time for me.06:22
ograare you member already ?06:23
ografirst thing would be to get your key signed and apply for membership06:23
ogra(and sign the code of conduct indeed)06:23
highvoltageubuntu membership?06:24
highvoltageyes, i signed the CoC, and I am am ubuntu member.06:25
ograthe work you did and do for edubuntu is contribution enough, if you've done the above, just set yourself on te agenda of the next CC meeting and apply for membership in the launchpag team06:25
highvoltagemembership for the motu team?06:25
ograoh, you are already ...06:25
highvoltageso what's the next step?06:26
highvoltageooh... there's a MotuGettingIntoIt page.. /me checks it out06:27
ogrado some packahging work06:27
ogracurrently we need help with merges06:27
highvoltagegreat! how do i do that?06:28
edoardoi've downloaded .tar.gz and the diff for a deb, and i've applied the diff. i was told this would lead me to knowin' how a .deb si built... but it's not really leadin' me there : )06:28
highvoltageedoardo: i read so many howto's and guides, and found it confusing. then i read "man dpkg" and strangely enough, it was the best documentation i could find :)06:30
ograhighvoltage, there was a mail to -devel from \sh today, pointing to a tool that generates a list for you06:30
highvoltageedoardo: i just used an existing deb as a template, and used dpkg -b06:30
highvoltageogra: ok, i'll check it out06:30
ograhighvoltage, grab a package from the list, check the ubuntu changes from the old version and decide which (if any) of the changes are still needed...06:30
edoardohighvoltage, the point is i'm not supposed to make a deb. i asked if someone in here could do it for me. i can maintain' it then maybe. it's for an audio conversion script i made, and many ubuntu users have asked me for a deb. could anyone make it or help me make it?06:31
ograif there are none/they are obsolete and we can go with the debian version (best case) request a sync from debian... else meger the changes ...06:31
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LaserJockcould I get a MOTU to check out my vflib3 merge bug? It is a build-dep for another merge06:33
highvoltageogra: is this the page you were talking about?06:38
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ograhighvoltage, yup06:38
highvoltageok, i'll take dillo. it sounds small and uncomplicated.06:41
highvoltage(famous last words)06:41
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highvoltagedillo links to http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/dillo/, should I download all the files in there?06:45
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LaserJockhave you been to MOTUToMerge?06:46
ograhighvoltage, see the wikipage that is mentioned atthe top06:47
ogra(of the list)06:47
highvoltageheh. thanks. strange how i missed that.06:47
ograhighvoltage, for merging,grab the source package from ~/scott and look how much from the dropped.patch needs to get applied ...06:50
Nafalloor look at them online :-)06:51
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Nafallo(you actually download them, but wth :-P)06:51
ograbut you need to testbuild the package at least once06:51
ograso you wont get around downloading ;)06:51
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highvoltageogra: i read through the wiki pages, but i'm not really sure what to do with these files. are there perhaps step by step examples somewhere, or am I perhaps missing an important piece again?07:10
highvoltageon MOTUToMerge, it says I should "merge new debian version"07:10
highvoltageis there a merge command?07:10
slomo_no... if there was one we wouldn't need to do it by hand ;)07:11
slomo_there is MoM but it doesn't work in all cases07:11
highvoltagei'd like to learn as manual as possible.07:11
highvoltagethat way I learn something :)07:11
highvoltagebut i'm having trouble figuring it out myself.07:12
slomo_get our version, get the latest debian version... take the debian version as a base and add our changes back to it if they're still needed07:12
slomo_verify that it builds... and make a debdiff then07:12
slomo_or when no changes to the debian version are needed ask for a sync07:12
slomo_and don't forget to open bugreports for the packages you're working on ;)07:13
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highvoltageok, i'm copying that into gedit and then i'll figure it out step by step.07:13
highvoltageslomo_: i'm not an expeienced package maintainer of any kind, so now and again i might get stuck.07:13
slomo_highvoltage: np :) feel free to ask here ;)07:13
slomo_hi herve :)07:13
highvoltagehi herve07:13
dholbachhellas herve07:14
hervewarm welcome :-)07:14
LaserJockcould I get a MOTU to check out my vflib3 merge bug? It is a build-dep for another merge07:16
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highvoltageso slomo_, I should apply the diff.gz file to the .tar.gz file? which command do i use, "diff"? I'm not very familiar with diff, how would I run it?07:17
zulhighvoltage: patch -p<whatever>07:17
slomo_highvoltage: dpkg-source -x bla.dsc will unpack the tar.gz for you and apply the diff07:17
LaserJockdholbach: i've been meaning to ask you abou MOTUDocumentationDraft. Do you want that info integrated into the wiki?07:19
hungerhighvoltage: Some debs have more patches in debian/patches. Those are not necessarily applied after dpkg-source -x.07:19
slomo_but these are applied while building... no need to apply them by hand before building07:20
dholbachLaserJock: sorry for not answering earlier... we have to write some text around the links i feel07:20
dholbachLaserJock: i was at the conference and i'm more and more arriving, let me do some brainstorming over the weekend07:21
LaserJockdholbach: well that's what I mean. I am getting on another wiki rewrite kick07:21
dholbachLaserJock: if you want to write more text around the links... just go ahead... it's a good start07:22
LaserJockdholbach: btw, I am supposed to be working on a Packaging Guide for the doc team. That will be good to have too07:22
dholbachLaserJock: there was a spec which was approved at ubz about that very topic07:23
dholbachLaserJock: diziet will be working on it (among others)07:24
LaserJockyeah, I am supposed to get a copy of what Unfrgiven has done so that it can be included in the doc team svn repository07:24
dholbachi'd rather have a look at what diziet works on07:25
dholbachbecause it was a spec which was approved... so quite a lot of people had a look on it07:25
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dholbachsiretart was present during those bofs too, iirc07:25
LaserJockok, well maybe I will talk to Burgundiva and mdke in the doc team about it07:26
highvoltageslomo_: thanks07:26
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dholbachmono team: new beagle... yay! :)07:27
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slomo_dholbach: nice, tseng will be happy :)07:28
slomo_hmm... all my merges except two are to be synced... narf07:29
LaserJockslomo_: really, I think I have had only one that could be synced07:30
slomo_LaserJock: did you verify it by hand or did you trust MoM?07:30
LaserJockby hand of course07:30
slomo_ok, then you choose the wrong packages ;)07:31
LaserJockI usually look at the MoM output though07:31
LaserJockusually, it is just a tweak of the build dependency07:31
slomo_i almost never look at it... i don't trust it07:32
LaserJockdholbach: is the spec you are talking about  "Move the Ubuntu Packaging guide" ?07:32
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dholbachit's   developer-documentation07:33
LaserJockdholbach: now I'm confused.07:36
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dholbachLaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperDocumentation07:37
LaserJockyeah, but what about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects07:37
LaserJockare we getting some overlap07:38
dholbachi hope not07:38
LaserJockI am supposed to work on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide07:38
LaserJockwhich, I would assume, would be a part of developer documentation07:39
dholbachthe guys on #ubuntu-docs should know07:41
dholbach#ubuntu-doc rather07:41
LaserJockwell, maybe I will have to clarify with them. Burgundiva, mdke, and rob^ are the guys that put me in charge of UbuntuPackagingGuide07:42
dholbachwe just won't have the manpower to maintain 3 different developer documentations07:43
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LaserJockdholbach: right07:43
LaserJockhmm, but according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperDocumentation the developers will maintain the documentation, whereas my undestanding from the doc team was that they were going to do it07:46
dholbachthere's nothing wrong with doing together *oooh yeah* :-p07:46
highvoltageslomo_: dpkg -x dillo_0.8.5-2ubuntu1.dsc says that --extract needs a target directory.07:48
slomo_dpkg-source -x bla.dsc07:48
highvoltagesorry, don't know how i could've missed that.07:49
slomo_np :)07:50
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LaserJockdholbach: well, I don't know what I am supposed to do, I will just have to talk to the doc team people about it07:53
dholbachjust make sure you raise the point of the other dev-doc plans07:53
LaserJockdholbach: In the mean time, I think our MOTU wiki still needs work. I will work on that until I hear from them07:53
dholbachand thanks for your efforts07:53
LaserJockdholbach: np07:53
LaserJockplus, I started a MOTUScience team, so I seem to be pretty busy these days07:54
highvoltageslomo_: it creates a dillo-0.8.5 directory, that also contains a "debian" directory, does that mean this is like an extracted debian package?07:54
slomo_highvoltage: it's an extracted sourcepackage... yes07:54
ograhighvoltage, yup07:54
_thierrywhat is the package for the command desktop-file-validate?07:54
dholbach_thierry: use dlocate to find out :)07:54
ogra_thierry, od dpkg -S :)07:55
ograor even07:55
dholbachor use packages.ubuntu.com07:55
slomo_or apt-file07:55
ograor grep through /var/lib/dpkg/info07:55
_thierryogra : dpkg -S give not found07:56
ogra_thierry, you need to give the full path07:56
highvoltagehow do i turn a source package into a binary deb? it contains a debian directory, shouldn't that be uppercase letters DEBIAN?07:56
ograif its still not fond its not from a debian package07:56
slomo_highvoltage: no07:57
_thierryogra : full path? wich full path?07:57
slomo_highvoltage: dpkg-buildpackage, debuild or pdebuild07:57
ograof the command07:57
ogradpkg -S `which desktop-file-validate`07:57
ogra`which desktop-file-validate` will expand to the full path07:58
slomo__thierry: if you don't have it installed apt-file will find it for you07:58
highvoltageslomo_: i don't have debuild or pdebuild installed, if i dpkg -S them, it seems that there's just some java files for eclipse, but no executables. where should i download them?08:02
slomo_highvoltage: apt-get install devscripts probably08:02
ograhighvoltage, see the PbuilderHowto on the wiki as well08:03
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highvoltageogra: ok08:04
highvoltageslomo_: got debuild08:04
_thierryogra : I get that dpkg-query need a filename...08:05
ogra_thierry, then this command doesnt exist on your filesystem, do what slomo_ said08:06
_thierryogra : apt-file search desktop-file-validate gives me nothing08:08
ograso it apparently doesnt exist08:08
_thierrymmm seb128 used this command and want me to fix something that the output show... strange08:09
highvoltagei'm downloading the -dev packages needed from dapper. does it make a difference whether i'm using them from haory or dapper?08:09
ogra_thierry, so ask him where it comes from ;)08:10
ograhighvoltage, we only develop for dapper08:10
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LaserJockdholbach: what kind of things do you want to see on MOTUDocumentationDraft ?08:12
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highvoltageogra: so as dapper changes, this package will need to change too?08:14
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highvoltagei get a:08:15
highvoltagedw_gtk_viewport.c:911: error: redefinition of p_Dw_gtk_viewport_remove_anchor08:15
highvoltagedw_gtk_viewport.c:880: error: previous definition of p_Dw_gtk_viewport_remove_anchor was here08:15
highvoltagemake[4] : *** [dw_gtk_viewport.o]  Error 108:15
highvoltagesomething i've done wrong?08:15
highvoltagemake[4] : Leaving directory `/data/jonathan/motu/dillo/dillo-0.8.5/src'08:15
slomolet's get a gin tonic and do some merges ;)08:21
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LaserJockunfortunately, the power got shut off at school so I am without my Ubuntu box >:(08:23
LaserJockso no more merging for me today08:24
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highvoltageslomo_: i already have a few glasses of wine in, not sure if that's helping or making things worse.08:34
highvoltageat least it gave me enough courage to start learning some motu stuff.08:35
slomohighvoltage: hehe... mine is empty... therefore the gin tonic ;) but i don't know if it helps... at least it doesn't hurt in general :P08:35
highvoltageis it possible that the dillo package is just a bit broken? should i try another package?08:35
highvoltagesee my message posted at 21 minutes ago, make gives me errors08:37
slomofix it :) do you know some C?08:38
highvoltage(about 15 lines up)08:38
highvoltageno, i don't. but there's probably  no time like the present to learn :)08:38
highvoltage(wow, this wine is making me brave)08:38
slomootherwise i could take it :) you don't learn C from that ;)08:38
hervesee you later08:40
highvoltagehmmm... looking at that c file there's only a close curly bracket in that line. so there's probably a problem caused somewhere before that bracket closed. way above my head.08:41
highvoltageslomo: if you could fix that, or give me some pointers, i'd be very happy.08:41
slomook, i'll take it then... dillo was it?08:42
highvoltagei'll get something else in the meantime08:44
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slomohighvoltage: please make bugreports for your merges08:54
highvoltageslomo: do i do that on launchpad, or bugzilla?08:55
highvoltageshould i make one for the failed dillo too?08:55
slomolaunchpad... please read \sh's blog entry from yesterday :)08:55
slomoand i make one for dillo, don't worry about it08:55
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slomohighvoltage: there's a tool for it08:57
highvoltageok. /me catches up on the -devel list08:57
slomohi ivoks08:58
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Grevwhere to a make a suggestion for a universe package08:59
ivoksdholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps - is this priority? :)09:02
dholbachi guess it's stale :)09:04
ivoksok, so how can i help? REVU?09:05
dholbachREVU, merges :)09:05
ivokssorry, i'm totally free-time-less these days, so i couldn't work on anything09:05
Grevit is for a change I would suggest for a new package in Dapper universe09:07
slomoNafallo: waaaah... you broke dillo :P09:07
slomoNafallo: you changed the upstream tarball and now we can't sync :P09:08
highvoltageso it wasn't me who broke it!? yippee!09:10
slomoNafallo: i'll fix it :) will you care for it for the rest of 0.8.5? ;)09:10
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slomohighvoltage: that's another error :)09:10
highvoltageah, ok.09:10
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slomohighvoltage: whatever you've done... it compiles fine here ;) are you on hoary and compiled in directly in hoary (no dapper pbuilder)?09:13
Nafalloslomo: nope, debian broke it!09:14
Nafalloslomo: they downloaded the orig.tar.gz last :-P09:14
highvoltagei'm in dapper at the moment, i don't have pbuilder installed yet, could that be the problem?09:14
slomoNafallo: you definitly broke it :P upstream would never call the directory dillo-0.8.5.orig...09:14
slomodpkg-source repackaging problem probably09:14
slomoi've done the same mistake with boo if this helps you ;)09:15
Nafallodamn -/_ :-P09:15
Nafallothey are just lines ffs ;-)09:15
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slomohighvoltage: no... hm, get pbuilder running :)09:16
slomohighvoltage: but i've uploaded it now09:16
highvoltageok, thanks. i'm not going to log anything for dillo, since nothing i did would change anything09:17
\shhighvoltage: what's up with motu-tools?09:19
highvoltage\sh: how do i use it? if i run the ./lpbugs.py it returns nothing09:20
\shread the README :)09:20
slomo\sh: will you merge gajim? :)09:21
\shhighvoltage: the lpbugs workflow is explained there09:21
\shslomo: jepp......09:21
slomo\sh: and can i request a sync of dnspython overwriting your package? or do we want yours?09:21
slomodholbach: will  you merge gazpacho?09:21
Nafallowhat's there to merge for gajim? ;-)09:21
\shrequest the sync09:21
dholbachslomo: you want to do it?09:21
Nafalloslomo: seb128 requested a sync of gazpacho earlier.09:22
\shNafallo: there are differences between our package and debian...i'll doit09:22
slomoNafallo: oh, it is still in the merge list :(09:22
Nafallo\sh: that's because it's not the same package anymore ;-)09:22
slomoi'll remove it09:22
\shthats why i'll do it09:23
Nafallo\sh: but sure. then make gajim-debian-ubuntu :-)09:23
\shNafallo: 0.8 will have an own repos09:24
Nafallowhy? :-P09:26
slomoNafallo: elmo must have overlooked it... he synced my requests before and after he told it09:26
\shoh wow09:27
xophErare there backports for breezy yet?09:27
Nafallooki, so rerequest it :-)09:27
ograxophEr, yes09:27
\shi'm stopping ircing...because i'm drunk somehow...or going to be09:27
Nafallo\sh: baah :-P09:27
ograxophEr, ask on the ubuntu-backports ML if you want something backported09:27
LaserJock\sh: btw, I can't get lpbugs.py to work with smtp09:27
Nafallo\sh: why let that stop you? ;-)09:28
\shLaserJock: it's WORKING NOW09:28
\sheven for nafallo09:28
LaserJock\sh: with smtp?09:29
\shNafallo: because i'm going to be a more serious MOTU09:29
\shLaserJock: YES09:29
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Nafallo\sh: wow :-P09:29
Nafalloslomo: me? :-)09:29
slomolet's merge it :P09:29
\shok...i'm drinking beer and rum and whatever09:30
\shgood night09:30
Nafallolibgksuui1.0-1 is in universe ;-)09:30
slomogn8 \sh_away09:30
slomoNafallo: what is it? ;)09:30
Nafalloslomo: backend for gksu(do) ;-)09:31
slomodoesn't sound sane to have it in universe :P09:31
Nafallowas libgksuui1.0-0 earlier today, which is still in main ;-)09:31
NafalloSTUPID PHP!09:33
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Nafalloslomo: don't forget to re-request gazpacho ;-)09:34
slomoNafallo: why? you do it :P09:34
Nafallome? why me? :-P09:35
slomobecause you want it? ;)09:35
NafalloI don't use it atm ;-)09:35
Nafalloand I have a working version already ;-)09:36
highvoltageslomo, ogra: thanks for your help. i will continue my motu journies tomorrow.09:37
highvoltagein the meantime, http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/specificator09:37
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Nafallokismet needs imagemagick, which FTBFS on all arches ;-)09:40
dholbachgood night09:40
slomokismet needs imagemagick?09:40
slomogn8 dholbach :)09:40
slomohmm, i had another package which needs a new imagemagick ;)09:40
Nafallowrong build-deps :-P09:41
slomofix it ;)09:41
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Nafalloslomo: seahorse FTBFS on amd64, kthxbai! ;-)09:43
Nafalloehm, make that FTBFS everywhere -)09:44
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slomoi'll take care of it :P09:44
slomoit worked at the time i built it :P09:45
slomoall my syncs failed because of uninstallable librsvg09:45
Nafallojoy :-P09:47
slomowho broke it? :P you? ;)09:47
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Nafalloey! I didn't touch it ;-)09:47
ograNafallo, haha, ita all your fault09:48
=== Nafallo blames gtk-bugs :-P
Nafalloogra: will you be here a while? ;-)09:48
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ogradunno, its late... i fight the last pieces of my jetlag and \sh is here... we'll probably drink...09:49
LaserJockhi bmonty!09:49
bmontyhi LaserJock09:50
Nafallooki. just need a main uploader soon ;-).09:50
Nafalloslomo: ?09:53
slomolibrsvg2-2 disappeared completly...09:53
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Nafallonice :-P09:54
slomothat will make almost every gnome package unbuildable and uninstallable :P09:54
slomooh, it was just me beeing stupid09:55
slomothen my syncs only need a give-back09:55
slomohm, they're on "Building"09:56
LostSoleAnyone know if/when the AMD64 versions of mythtv on Breezy are all up to version .18.1 yet? I've seen a forum post saying "yes" but the repository looks like "no"...09:59
Nafallosherman != shermann ;-)09:59
NafalloW: perlmagick: syntax-error-in-debian-changelog line 1680 "couldn't parse date Thr, 26 Aug 1999 19:55:02 +0200"10:01
Nafallowasn't me! ;-)10:01
Nafalloogra: still there? ;-)10:03
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Nafalloslomo: ajmitch_ are on holiday, right?10:24
slomono idea10:24
slomobut i need a sponsor too now for main :P10:24
Nafallojbailey: here? :-)10:25
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slomoNafallo: seems like noone is awake :(10:37
Nafalloindeed :-/10:38
slomothe lone mergers ;)10:38
Nafalloget main-right please! :-P10:39
slomoyes... in 4 days is TB meeting10:39
slomobut it won't help us here :P ok, for imagemagick... but for openssl i want someone else to review my changes10:39
Nafallothat's when Keybuk is home ;-)10:39
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jbaileyNafallo: Am now.10:49
Nafallojbailey: hi! I was looking for a main-sponsor, but tseng showed up :-).10:50
jbaileyCool. =)10:50
jbaileyI'm mostly avoiding staring at the terminal today.10:50
Nafallooh? :-)10:50
jbaileyJust tired from the conference.10:54
Nafalloah oki :-)10:55
Nafalloslomo: lpbugs.sh -s kazehakase, or do I need the bug#?11:04
slomobug# when you don't create a new bugreport11:05
Nafallooki, thanx11:06
Nafallolpbugs.py -s 4216 gives no output11:07
slomothis will tell you how to use it :P11:09
slomo-s -b 4216 packagename11:09
Nafallooh, I already looked at that. just didn't read all of it ;-)11:09
Nafallowhat does -u do? :-P11:10
Nafallo-s -b didn't work either :-P11:11
slomoworks fine for me :P11:11
Nafallo-u -s -b11:13
Nafalloslomo: you liar! :-)11:13
Kyralyo all11:14
Nafallomorning Kyral :-)11:14
KyralWTF are you talking about its 1715! ;P11:15
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KyralIt was a joke tseng11:16
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tsengyou have a constant attitude about everything =/11:16
tsengyes, wtf this, goddamn that11:16
Kyraltseng, one thing you should realize about me11:16
Kyral75% of what I say is BS :D11:16
tsengyou can say the other 75% somewhere else than11:17
tsengwe only work forwards here.11:17
KyralIts when I am quiet is when I am angry11:17
Nafalloslomo: how long does it take before DaD understands I fixed something? :-P11:18
Nafalloor sync != fixed? :-)11:18
tsengNafallo: DaD?11:18
slomoNafallo: set the bug to fixed... then maybe 5 minutes11:18
tsengis that code for revu2 now11:19
Nafallotseng: sistpoty's thing :-)11:19
Nafalloslomo: ah, so I should edit it after elmo synced :-)11:19
slomoNafallo: yes11:19
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NafalloI can't -u -f -b :-P11:20
Nafallowhen did I touch ethereal? ;-)11:21
Kyraltypo fix?11:22
slomoNafallo: you did... ages ago :P11:22
KyralOyah I need to email the FlowDesigner devs11:22
tsengNafallo: when you fixed it for me in hoary-security iirc11:23
Kyralslomo, you said that they needed to install one of the libs into a different place?11:23
Nafallothat didn't look like security-changes ;-)11:23
slomoKyral: i don't know what i've said... only that they need to fix sonames11:23
slomotoo long ago ;)11:23
Kyralyah no kiddin'11:24
Kyralit was only a week ago ;P11:24
slomoyes... too long :P11:24
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\shogras gf is strange11:37
slomowhy? ;)11:38
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sistpotyhi folks11:41
slomohi sistpoty11:41
sistpotyhi slomo11:42
sistpotybmonty: did katie mail you anything bout wesnoth?11:42
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\shi'm totally drunk11:44
sistpoty' \sh: better don't upload to main then ;)11:44
slomo\sh: prost :) what did you drink?11:44
slomosistpoty: but uploads to universe are fine? :P11:44
Nafallo\sh: feel like implementing -f? (fixed) ;-)11:45
\sh0.3l barcadi black11:45
\sh0.2l coke11:45
sistpotyslomo: good point ;)11:45
\shsistpoty: this is the best time11:45
sistpotyprogramming drunk is actually pretty cool... but debugging the day after sucks11:46
\shslomo: black barcadi11:46
\shand beer11:46
slomo\sh: bah, i hate bacardi ;)11:46
\shslomo: the black one u likd11:47
\shbecause it's tasting11:48
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slomolol... well, i'll try it :) but for now i'll stay with gin tonic :P11:48
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