[12:27] <mhz> hi there
[12:27] <mhz> I may need some assistance
[12:28] <arkan0x> mhz, hi 
[12:28] <mhz> holas
[12:28] <arkan0x> man~ana vas al cdsl ?
[12:28] <mhz> sipo
[12:29] <arkan0x> rlz
[12:29] <mhz> I have 2 issues
[12:30] <mhz> when booting, the pc gets stuck at: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts   does not exist. PDF support disabled
[12:30] <mhz> it stays there for about 1 minute
[12:31] <mhz> then it continues but gets stuck again at:  checking battery state .... ok
[12:31] <mhz> obviously, by pressing Alt+F1 I get to a login prompt
[12:32] <mhz> Alt+F8 still shows the attery checking'stuff
[12:32] <mhz> Alt+F8 still shows the battery checking'stuff
[12:32] <mhz> highvoltage, any ideas_
[12:32] <mhz> highvoltage, any ideas?
[12:33] <mhz> ogra, any?
[12:35] <mhz> oh, it seems i installed a pre-release candidate
[12:35] <mhz> duh!
[12:35] <mhz> maybe all stuff has been worked on
[12:36] <mhz> arkan0x, a que hora necesitas que vaya? ira JCI ?
[12:37] <mhz> sabes si hay forma de revisar el cable de 15 mts que tengo? (cupongo que tiene pifia en algun segmento)
[12:37] <mhz> debo deslogearm un rato
[12:37] <mhz> vuelvo mas tarde
[01:07] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:09] <kjcole> Quiet place.
[01:09] <dnB> HiveDrone, can someone tell me the command to upgrade ubuntu 5.10 to edubuntu 5.10?
[01:09] <crimsun> dnB: sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[01:10] <Lord_Athur> hey
[01:10] <Lord_Athur> can I install edubuntu 5.10 with hoary?
[01:11] <kjcole> Lord_Athur: Something specific you like about hoary over breezy?  Or is dist-upgrade not a good idea?
[01:12] <crimsun> Lord_Athur: you'll have to dist-upgrade to Breezy first
[01:12] <Lord_Athur> I did this crimsun but my sistem could not load the graphic envioment
[01:13] <dnB> couldnt find any packages whose name or description matched "edubuntu-desktop"
[01:13] <crimsun> dnB: are you running 5.10 with the main repository enabled?
[01:13] <dnB> i have no idea to be honest, just finished a netboot install and im at a command line
[01:14] <dnB> :P
[01:14] <dnB> i also tried sudo apt-get update and it failed
[01:14] <dnB> know how i can manually add correct repositories?
[01:14] <crimsun> is networking correctly configured?
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> :S
[01:14] <dnB> it should be, i dont know how to check from command line
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> no one+
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> :P
[01:14] <dnB> and apparently no gui was installed
[01:14] <kjcole> dnB: ifconfig
[01:15] <dnB> thanks brb
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> how can I upgrade my repositories?
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> exist a command for this?
[01:15] <dnB> looks fine kjcole 
[01:15] <dnB> crimsun, yeah network is correct, i was having problems with apt during the install though
[01:16] <crimsun> Lord_Athur: sudo sed -i s/hoary/breezy/ /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <kjcole> dnB: ping somewhere to see if you're reaching out to the world.
[01:16] <dnB> lol nope
[01:16] <dnB> im not
[01:16] <dnB> what do i need to edit to get network setup correctly?
[01:17] <kjcole> dnB: Soooo... your system knows it's IP address (so sayeth ifconfig) but it doesn't see the world.  Static IP or DHCP?
[01:17] <dnB> dhcp
[01:17] <dnB> and gedit isnt here either ;(
[01:17] <dnB> i wish the cdrom was working so i could use a disc
[01:18] <dnB> do you know how i can edit so that i can fix and get packages?
[01:18] <dnB> hrm,  my  router returns a ping
[01:19] <dnB> indefinitely apparently :D
[01:19] <kjcole> dnB: Yeah, a lot of stuff used to respond to ping forever.
[01:19] <dnB> do you happen to know which file i should edit to get this working correctly?
[01:19] <kjcole> dnB: During bootup, do you know if it sees the CD drive?
[01:20] <dnB> it does, the cdrom just doesnt read right
[01:21] <kjcole> dnB: What's the symptom?
[01:21] <dnB> cant read files
[01:21] <dnB> trying to make do without it for the moment though
[01:21] <dnB> apparently it installed vim as the only text editor
[01:21] <kjcole> dnB: but it mounts okay?
[01:22] <dnB> yeah, it finds it
[01:22] <dnB> just has errors when reading files
[01:22] <kjcole> dnB: possibly a burn-speed issue with the CD itself.  Any other CD's handy that you can try reading?
[01:23] <dnB> newp :)
[01:23] <kjcole> dnB: You're no fun. ;-)
[01:23] <dnB> lol i know
[01:24] <dnB> ok i Vim'ed /etc/network/interfaces, dont really know what im looking at
[01:24] <kjcole> dnB: So, clearly, you're on the net somewhere at the moment.  Does the machine you're on read the CD okay?
[01:24] <dnB> the machine im on also has a busted cdrom lol
[01:24] <dnB> however this one is under warranty and will be replaced soon
[01:24] <dnB> so cdrom isnt an option :(
[01:25] <dnB> the last line in /interfaces is "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[01:25] <dnB> sounds right, ya?
[01:26] <dnB> also, when i try to ping outside the lan, it doesnt time out, just says unknown host
[01:26] <kjcole> dnB: It does... (I wish I could double-check, but I'm sitting at work in front of a Fedora box at the moment.  My Edubuntu machine is sitting at home.)
[01:26] <dnB> :) ah
[01:27] <dnB> well i have no idea what to do from this point on
[01:27] <dnB> i think ill reboot
[01:27] <dnB> and hope something goes differently
[01:27] <dnB> dont understand why im missing so many packages either
[01:27] <dnB> :/
[01:28] <kjcole> dnB: Good luck. I think I'm going to split, and try to get back on when I get home, so that I know what I'm talking about. ;-))
[01:28] <dnB> thanks kjcole :)
[03:19] <mhz> hi
[05:12] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[05:12] <mhz> arkan0x: ira reinaldo?
[05:13] <arkan0x> mmm se supone que si , pero como alas 2
[05:13] <mhz> shhhaaa
[05:13] <arkan0x> pq a ese hora sale de clase
[05:13] <mhz> quien pondra el desayuno?
[05:13] <mhz> :)
[05:13] <arkan0x> emmm , beto
[05:13] <mhz> estara abierto el sindicato?
[05:14] <arkan0x> se supone que si , pero llega como alas 1130 mejol
[05:14] <mhz> AFAIK, tienen fama de ser tardios
[05:14] <mhz> y tu?
[05:14] <arkan0x> yo llego cmo alas 1130
[05:16] <mhz> ah, ok.
[05:16] <mhz> te puedo pedir un gran GRAN favor?
[05:17] <mhz> podrias imprimir al menos 1 adhesivo de edubuntu (te mando el logo en el formato que me indiques)
[05:18] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[05:18] <arkan0x> ya
[05:18] <arkan0x> pero ojo , es blanco y negro nu ma
[05:21] <mhz> si claro
[05:21] <mhz> te mando el logo de fondo blanco y figura en negro
[05:21] <arkan0x> ya
[05:22] <mhz> lo necesito en pequeno, no mas ancho que el hackaday
[05:22] <mhz> bkn
[05:22] <mhz> en que formato te sirve/prefieres?
[05:24] <arkan0x> png
[05:26] <mhz> ok... estoy en eso
[05:28] <mhz> arkan0x: imprime escala de grises?
[05:28] <arkan0x> mmm nu sabo
[05:28] <mhz> ok
[05:28] <arkan0x> probemos igual
[05:28] <mhz> negro entonces sera
[05:28] <mhz> te mandare 1 y 1
[05:40] <mhz> ya
[05:40] <mhz> donde te los mando, arkan0x 
[05:40] <mhz> ?
[05:42] <arkan0x> mail
[05:43] <mhz> okidoki
[05:46] <mhz> arkan0x: ping en query
[05:50] <arkan0x> mhz, 
[05:51] <mhz> enviados
[05:51] <arkan0x> okis
[06:17] <mhz> nos vemos, Mr. Rlz
[06:17] <mhz> gracias por la impresion
[02:30] <mhz> hi
[02:30] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[02:30] <mhz> gday
[02:31] <Yagisan> managed to hurt myself the other day
[02:32] <Yagisan> getting pains all up and down my right arm
[02:32] <mhz> Yagisan: why? how?
[02:32] <Yagisan> Doctor said it is "Repetitive Strain Injury", and I should take a rest from using the computer
[02:32] <mhz> wow
[02:32] <mhz> that is SERIOUS
[02:33] <Yagisan> so, I nodded and said yes, and have been trying to do it left handed
[02:33] <Yagisan> as I can't eat, if I don't use the pc
[02:33] <Yagisan> so it has slowed me down
[02:34] <Yagisan> doctor said I use the pc/mouse too much, and pick my girl up too much with just my right arm
[02:34] <mhz> oh, how about 'voice commands'?
[02:35] <Yagisan> It has made me look into a better voice command system
[02:35] <Yagisan> but that doesn't seem very functional
[02:35] <Yagisan> at the moment :(
[02:37] <Yagisan> I can find things that eg open www browsers
[02:37] <Yagisan> but no open source things that also do dictation style input
[02:39] <Yagisan> mhz, good luck at CDSL
[02:40] <stef_> Hi
[02:41] <Yagisan> G'day stef_
[02:41] <stef_> I've got a question
[02:41] <stef_> Can U help ?
[02:42] <Yagisan> stef_: maybe - what's wrong ?
[02:42] <ogra> depends what your question is :)
[02:42] <ogra> just ask ;)
[02:42] <stef_> I'm new to this Edubuntu, I've workt with Ubuntu for a few months now.
[02:43] <stef_> I've got Edubuntu installed, and it looks verry nice. Thanks for the great job. 
[02:43] <stef_> but....
[02:44] <stef_> When I startup a client to log on to the edubuntu server it hangs at the login prompt.
[02:44] <ogra> define "hangs"
[02:44] <ogra> you got a graphical login ? 
[02:44] <stef_> I see the graphical login, but after the login it trows me back to the login again.
[02:45] <ogra> ok
[02:45] <ogra> check the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
[02:45] <Yagisan> that sounds like the ssh keys issue
[02:45] <ogra> it should contain a key (long line with letters and numbers)
[02:45] <stef_> During startup I see a few 'fails'. I'm not sure what they are. It flashes tru the screen.
[02:46] <ogra> thats normal, ignore them
[02:46] <Yagisan> startup fails are harmless
[02:46] <stef_> Ok, so thats normal. I thought that would be the problem.
[02:46] <ogra> the startscripts are not adjusted for readonly filesystems yet...
[02:46] <ogra> its cosmetic
[02:46] <stef_> So I have to concentrate on SSH ?
[02:46] <ogra> yup
[02:47] <stef_> OK. I'll take a look at that.
[02:47] <ogra> check this file, if its empty or nonexistesnt, run_
[02:47] <Yagisan> on the server run ltsp-update-sshkeys and reboot the client
[02:47] <Yagisan> ha - beat you then ogra
[02:47] <stef_> OK.
[02:47] <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
[02:47] <ogra> Yagisan, missed sudo ;p
[02:47] <Yagisan> my arm is now killing me
[02:47] <ogra> i know that feeling, have rsi too...
[02:47] <ogra> take some days off
[02:48] <stef_> Working on this now, also be back in a few sec.
[02:49] <Yagisan> re
[02:49] <Yagisan> ogra, I wish I could take some time off
[02:50] <Yagisan> but I can't
[02:50] <ogra> try to find another position for working.... moveyour body every half hour ....
[02:50] <ogra> (get a dog and go walking frequently ;) )
[02:51] <Yagisan> well, I get a new baby in a few days
[02:51] <Yagisan> that means I will cook, and clean, and make house
[02:52] <ogra> fine :)
[02:52] <Yagisan> so I won't get to touch the pc as much
[02:52] <ogra> that will help a bit
[02:55] <Yagisan> I hope so. ogra, your rsi - also your arm ?
[02:56] <ogra> yup, right elbow
[02:57] <ogra> and sometimes the sholder
[02:57] <Yagisan> that sounds just like mine
[02:57] <ogra> it comes and goes
[02:57] <Yagisan> my wrist is ok
[02:58] <Yagisan> it is the inside (folded) part of the elbow that hurts most
[02:58] <ogra> for me its the ankle
[02:58] <ogra> and rather the outside part
[02:58] <mhz> i used to have that in my lower arm
[02:59] <mhz> esp. after a bike stupid accident
[02:59] <mhz> on which i landed with my elbow
[03:00] <stef_> Guys, do I need to reboot for the changes ?
[03:00] <mhz> nope
[03:00] <Yagisan> mhz, I have stories to tell about bike accidents
[03:00] <stef_> DHCPD won't start.
[03:00] <Yagisan> stef_: just the client
[03:00] <ogra> stef_, you need to reboot the client
[03:00] <stef_> another problem ?
[03:00] <ogra> yup
[03:00] <ogra> is the interface up ?
[03:01] <mhz> ogra: I have successfully login after updating ssh. no need to reboot client
[03:01] <ogra> (the one that serves the clients)
[03:01] <stef_> Yes, I dit, but the client can't get a IP. It worked fine before.
[03:01] <Yagisan> stef_: did you change anything with the dhcp configuration ?
[03:01] <stef_> Not since the last reboot.
[03:01] <stef_> interface, taht a good one ;-) I'll check.
[03:01] <ogra> and you only edited /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, not /etc/dhcpd.conf, right ?
[03:02] <ogra> (like the docs say)
[03:03] <Yagisan> mhz - there was one accident where I crashed and had the handle bar punch a hole through my abdomen
[03:03] <stef_> Yep.
[03:04] <mhz> ogra: so, is it logical i never rebooted non_logedin_clients after running key updates?
[03:04] <stef_> Interface is up (2'nd network card)
[03:04] <mhz> Yagisan: you were nuts then
[03:04] <mhz> xtreme Yagi
[03:05] <Yagisan> mhz: nope, someone "helped" by shoving a metal bar into the front wheel
[03:05] <stef_> Is'nt there a nice webinterface to check these items ?
[03:05] <mhz> Yagisan: any way I can get to know why a RJ45 cable works once in a while? Any way I can get to determine which segment may be broken?
[03:06] <Yagisan> mhz: you need a cable tester
[03:06] <mhz> duh!
[03:06] <mhz> lol
[03:06] <mhz> Yagisan: nice friends you ha
[03:06] <Yagisan> mhz: it sends signals down the cable and measures the time it takes to reflect
[03:06] <mhz> Yagisan: nice friends you had
[03:06] <Yagisan> mhz: Oh, I didn't call them friends
[03:07] <Yagisan> mhz: some new asus m/b have built in cable tester
[03:07] <Yagisan> stef_: no, no web interface
[03:07] <mhz> oh, you recited names of their mothers and family?
[03:07] <mhz> :D
[03:08] <mhz> asus rocks!
[03:08] <Yagisan> mhz: No, I just made them feel "inadequate" in many sensitive respects
[03:08] <stef_> hmm, pitty. But there is a kind of webinterface to the teacherstool/pet ?
[03:08] <ogra> stef_, and the ip matches the range you gave in dhcpd.conf ? 
[03:08] <ogra> stef_, nope, no webinterface... the target is to make it just work, so you wont need to look at these files in the naext release anymore
[03:08] <stef_> something like http://localhost:7xx
[03:09] <Yagisan> stef_: as edubuntu is mostly plug in and turn on
[03:09] <mhz> stef_: probably WebMin
[03:09] <Yagisan> you don't need to change much (if anything)
[03:09] <ogra> stef_, there is no teachertool yet... only a spec
[03:09] <stef_> I could install WebMin.
[03:09] <Yagisan> mhz: I object to webmin on security grounds
[03:09] <mhz> stef_: "probably" WebMin :D
[03:10] <Yagisan> stef_: you would need to reconfigure webmin extensively
[03:10] <stef_> I played with it a few time, maybe I screwed up something. I'll try a fresh install.
[03:10] <mhz> Yagisan: I agree, however, he asks
[03:10] <stef_> Thanks for the help.
[03:10] <ogra> stef_, if its only the dhcp, thats faster to fix than doing a reinstall
[03:10] <Yagisan> yes, but I'm sure we can find a better tool for him
[03:11] <mhz> stef_: could you paste somewhere
[03:11] <mhz> ?
[03:11] <stef_> It should work right 'out of the box'
[03:11] <ogra> post your ifconfi output and the content of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to a pastebin
[03:11] <mhz> maybe this way we can all see potential errors
[03:11] <ogra> *ifconfig
[03:11] <Yagisan> and fix them
[03:12] <Belutz> ogra, ping!
[03:12] <ogra> Belutz, pong
[03:13] <Belutz> ogra, are there any edubuntu evangelist near Indonesia?
[03:13] <ogra> Belutz, jsgotango
[03:13] <Belutz> ah i see
[03:13] <Yagisan> stef_: there is a pastebin here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[03:13] <Belutz> do you think he is free on december 3rd?
[03:14] <Belutz> i think he said something about korea in december
[03:14] <ogra> no idea, you need to catch and ask him
[03:14] <ogra> he has a new job afaik
[03:14] <stef_> Ahh, the pastbin. Hold on.
[03:14] <Belutz> yes, i read that on p.u.c
[03:14] <mhz> ogra: any news on ML? I had wikied a ChileanLoCo team on the council page and Rolando Blanco deleted it and kept the LatinAmerican LoCo :(
[03:15] <ogra> put it up again for discussion, make a note aside it that you will re add it to get it discussed ;)
[03:15] <mhz> hehehehehehe
[03:16] <Belutz> hmm there going to be a debian conference in indonesia, and i'm thinking if there could be someone from ubuntu that could come, if there is, i will ask the event commitee to make the slot available for edubuntu/ubuntu presentation
[03:16] <mhz> ogra: very polite solution
[03:16] <ogra> :)
[03:16] <ogra> Belutz, cool :)
[03:16] <mhz> Belutz: and if there isn't, you can become one
[03:16] <ogra> i hope jsgotango finds time for it... i'm not aware of anyone else who could fill the gap :)
[03:16] <Belutz> mhz, yes, although i'm now a member, but i don't think i'm ready to do a presentation
[03:17] <Yagisan> too far for me atm
[03:17] <mhz> oh
[03:17] <Belutz> the guest speaker will be Richard M. Stallman
[03:17] <stef_> Yagisan: I'm new to this pastbin, but i put the output of ifconfig and dhcpd.conf in the pastbin.
[03:17] <mhz> i hope he changes his talk this time :)
[03:17] <ogra> stef_, it should have given you a url, post this here
[03:18] <Belutz> i'm thinking that if someone from edubuntu could come, then we could distribute edubuntu to elementary school for the whole country
[03:18] <Belutz> but of course, i have to do a lot translation before it could be done
[03:18] <stef_> I've posted it.
[03:18] <Yagisan> stef_] s url http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4408
[03:19] <stef_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4408
[03:19] <stef_> too late '-)
[03:19] <ogra> Belutz, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ there is my (not very good) talk from ubuntu love day... but you could use it as a base
[03:19] <Yagisan> stef_ you subnet is for an interface you are not connected to
[03:20] <Yagisan>  subnet192.168.100.0netmask255.255.255.0{
[03:20] <Belutz> ogra, ok, i'll take a look at it :-)
[03:20] <Yagisan> change 100 to 0
[03:20] <stef_> eth 1 ?
[03:20] <ogra> stef_, thats 192.168.0.10
[03:20] <ogra> stef_, make that 192.168.100.10
[03:20] <ogra> and it will work
[03:21] <ogra> the dhcp server can only work if the ip of the interface matches the range in dhcpd.conf
[03:21] <ogra> so either change the file or the ip of the interfac
[03:22] <ogra> e
[03:22] <stef_> Yep, it works. But......
[03:23] <ogra> ?
[03:23] <stef_> What about this http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[03:23] <stef_> I changed all the 0 to 100
[03:23] <ogra> Follow these steps after the install (you need to know the IP address you used on install; in the following example we'll assume the IP 192.168.100.2 was chosen as the IP address during install):
[03:24] <ogra> ;)
[03:24] <ogra> and....
[03:24] <ogra> If you selected an IP similar to 192.168.0.XXX (where XXX is a number between 1 and 254) during install, there is no need to read on, as your server will already be configured.
[03:24] <stef_> Ok, but the client starts up now .
[03:24] <ogra> its in the top section ;)
[03:24] <stef_> So i'm happy.
[03:24] <ogra> great
[03:26] <stef_> Guys/girls IT WORKS !! Thanks for your help.
[03:26] <ogra> :)
[03:26] <ogra> great ...
[03:27] <stef_> learned again. Even NAT works. I'll go futher from here.
[03:27] <stef_> Thanks again. And see you later.
[03:27] <stef_> Bye
[03:28] <Yagisan> execellent - donations to #edubunu users with rsi, c/o you capital city :)
[03:28] <mhz> LOL!!!
[03:28] <stef_> ;-)
[03:28] <ogra> *grin*
[03:28] <mhz> ikks: ping
[03:29] <ikks> pong pm
[03:33] <mhz> ogra: so ML will depend on Councils decission to accept me as 'member'?
[03:33] <ogra> mhz, yup
[03:33] <mhz> ok
[03:34] <ikks> mhz sincronizando SystemPagesInSpanishGroup y SystemPagesInEnglishGroup
[03:34] <mhz> and do most of them also notice that edubuntu is much more education/social stuff than linux?
[03:34] <mhz> ikks: ohhh, por eso la demora :D
[03:35] <mhz> arkan0x: te pille!!!!
[03:35] <mhz> aun no vas al CDSL!!!
[03:35] <mhz> Yagisan: you must not write
[03:35] <mhz> :)
[03:35] <mhz> nor complain
[03:36] <ikks> mhz I'm sending you private messages :)
[03:36] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm not complaining - I just can't contribute in spanish
[03:36] <mhz> arkan0x: edubuntu adhesives ready?
[03:37] <mhz> Yagisan: your japaneese is imporoving. I hope you realize you could write from right to left :)
[03:37] <arkan0x> mhz, ! yea
[03:37] <arkan0x> mhz, eske ayer te imprimi algunos , pero no salelieron bien
[03:37] <mhz> ohhhh, thanz
[03:38] <arkan0x> eran de 4x5 cm
[03:38] <mhz> rlz
[03:38] <mhz> y no se v ein bien?
[03:38] <arkan0x> ahora toy probando de 3x3 cm
[03:38] <mhz> aahh
[03:38] <mhz> ok
[03:38] <Yagisan> mhz: yeah, but right to left is for vertical text, otherwise it is left to right :) 
[03:38] <arkan0x> podrias mandarme algunos con mas resolucion
[03:38] <mhz> arkan0x: sip
[03:38] <arkan0x> onda mas grandes para que se impriman de 4x5 cm salgan mas rlz
[03:39] <mhz> arkan0x: cuan grande era el mas grande?
[03:39] <arkan0x> onda yo imprimi unos debian y kedaron bakan chikos 
[03:39] <mhz> (how big was the bigger)
[03:39] <Yagisan> brb - need to test bug report on deng
[03:39] <arkan0x> haber
[03:39] <mhz> Yagisan: have nice evening
[03:40] <arkan0x> era de 214x268
[03:40] <mhz> se ve bien?
[03:40] <arkan0x> nu tanto
[03:40] <mhz> does that look good?
[03:40] <arkan0x> en 4x5
[03:40] <mhz> entronces necesitas mayor resolucion solamente?
[03:40] <arkan0x> yep
[03:41] <mhz> then you need more resolution only?
[03:41] <mhz> ok
[03:41] <mhz> tienes tiempo ahora? seguro?
[03:41] <mhz> have time now? sure?
[03:42] <arkan0x> eeee , mandamelos dp , igual te voy a imprimir de 3x3 y te llevo una hoja pa ke imprimai tu
[03:42] <mhz> ogra: arkan0x is printing me a couple of stickers to test
[03:42] <arkan0x> tengo ke irme pal cdsl
[03:42] <mhz> okidoki
[03:42] <mhz> arkan0x: nos belmont
[03:42] <ogra> mhz, cool :)
[03:42] <mhz> c ya
[03:42] <Yagisan> bye mhz
[03:43] <arkan0x> mhz, byez!
[03:43] <mhz> ogra: in case we dont see until tuesday, please cross your fingers on monday at 17:00 (chilean time)
[03:43] <ogra> i'll do :)
[03:43] <mhz> i have the meeting (most important one so faR) with an organization that coordinates 1000 schools in chile
[03:44] <mhz> if they get motivated with edubuntu, then can kick some butts here
[03:45] <ogra> yay
[03:46] <mhz> this year GOv. supported Edulinux on almost 600 schools
[03:46] <mhz> however, unsuccessfully
[03:46] <mhz> they failed at training and motivating
[03:47] <mhz> and they failed because the promoted 'linux' instead of 'educational tools and solution'
[03:49] <mhz> bye all
[03:49] <mhz> nice weekend, in case we dont see
[07:34] <bluefrog-10> can edubuntu (out of the box) on P4,celeron.. can be used with a thin client AMD processor, pls?
[07:42] <ogra> amd64 ?
[07:42] <ogra> or 32 bit ?
[07:42] <bluefrog-10> no k7 normal amd 32
[07:42] <ogra> that will work fine
[07:43] <bluefrog-10> have pb though
[07:43] <ogra> just make sure you use the generic kernel for them
[07:43] <ogra> dont use the 686 kernel...
[07:43] <bluefrog-10> ok coming from that
[07:43] <bluefrog-10> so 386, correct?
[07:43] <ogra> yup
[07:44] <ogra> thats the generic x86 kernel
[07:44] <bluefrog-10> if iam running 86 but have 386 ibstalled as well would that work?
[07:44] <ogra> the performance win you get with the 686 kernel is marginal anyway
[07:44] <bluefrog-10> k
[07:44] <bluefrog-10> so i have to change back
[07:44] <ogra> the 386 is the default kernel you have installed 
[07:45] <ogra> and run sudo ltsp-update-kernels after that
[07:45] <bluefrog-10> it's ok i will let 386 from normal install
[07:45] <ogra> yup
[07:46] <bluefrog-10> by chance do u have a handy link on how to use /etc/skel?
[07:46] <ogra> nope
[07:46] <ogra> i guess google is your friend ;)
[07:46] <bluefrog-10> yep found some stuff
[07:46] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu is looking in /etc/skel, correct?
[07:47] <ogra> if you want to change gnome settings, gconf is very easy to manipulate
[07:47] <ogra> thats app depand
[07:47] <bluefrog-10> yes but i have a bit of difficulty right now to understand how that translate to/etc/skel
[07:48] <bluefrog-10> afterwards u made your change, found an howto for hoary will try it
[07:49] <bluefrog-10> thought there was some stuff in /etc/skel but the only thing i find are 2 bash.rc files
[07:49] <bluefrog-10> or something similar
[07:49] <ogra> yup, thats a debian default
[07:49] <bluefrog-10> ok so if i really want to use /etc/skel have to do it myself, correct?
[07:50] <ogra> yup
[07:50] <bluefrog-10> by reok
[07:50] <bluefrog-10> ok ty
[08:02] <highvoltage> \sh: ping
[08:02] <\sh> highvoltage: pong
[08:04] <highvoltage> \sh: if i use your lpbugs.py script, will it show in launchpad immediately, or only after lp runs its cron script?
[08:04] <highvoltage> and will i receive notification?
[08:05] <\sh> highvoltage: 1. u will receive notification 2. after LP runs it
[08:05] <\sh> 's cron script
[08:05] <\sh> highvoltage: and your used email address must be bound to your LP account
[08:07] <highvoltage> i haven't received notification yet :/
[08:07] <\sh> highvoltage: i don't actually know what happend to launchpad today
[08:07] <\sh> highvoltage: please ask siretart...he knows more
[08:08] <highvoltage> ok.
[08:37] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu 386, thin client AMD semprom 2200, in server log Ihave tftp client doesn't accept options, is it talking about opitons listed in /etc/default or do I find options elsewhere pls?
[10:58] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu 386, thin client AMD semprom 2200, in server log I have tftp client doesn't accept options, is it talking about options listed in /etc/default or do I find options elsewhere pls?
[11:02] <ogra> /var/log/syslog:Nov 12 22:08:15 edubuntu in.tftpd[24071] : tftp: client does not accept options
[11:02] <ogra> this 
[11:02] <ogra> ?
[11:02] <Hi-G> Bonsoir  tous; hello everybody
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> hang on ogra laptop wnet down no more batteries have to run it again
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> but basically yes
[11:04] <ogra> bluefrog-10, thats a normal message, nothing to worry about
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> well client not going further
[11:04] <ogra> yes, but not caused by this :)
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> ah
[11:05] <ogra> where exactly does it han ?
[11:05] <ogra> hang
[11:05] <bluefrog-10> after some init scripts, will run it in a few sec
[11:05] <ogra> look if you have a nfs timeout some lines above
[11:05] <bluefrog-10> no timeout
[11:06] <bluefrog-10> client with celeron boots ok, amd not
[11:06] <ogra> if you got beyond the initramfs scripts, it should be fine kernel wise
[11:07] <ogra> it really looks more like a nfs problem
[11:08] <bluefrog-10> running scripts/nfs-top   done
[11:08] <ogra> thats the last line on screen ? 
[11:08] <bluefrog-10> hanging on some ip config just afetrwards
[11:08] <ogra> if it wrote "done" its fine...
[11:09] <bluefrog-10> well yes :)
[11:09] <bluefrog-10> it's just after
[11:09] <ogra> afterwards you should see the real nfs mount going on
[11:09] <ogra> showing the ip of the rootserver etc
[11:10] <ogra> do you see these lines ?
[11:10] <bluefrog-10> nope hanging at acpi pci interrupt -> gsi 16 level,low irq 16   (16? by the way?)
[11:10] <ogra> hmm
[11:10] <bluefrog-10> and have tried with ltsp on top of ubnutu does the same
[11:11] <bluefrog-10> right now am with edubuntu
[11:11] <ogra> you can edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default and try playing with noacpi or acpi=off
[11:11] <bluefrog-10> k
[11:11] <ogra> or nolapic
[11:12] <bluefrog-10> have to restart tfttp?
[11:12] <ogra> nope
[11:12] <bluefrog-10> k
[11:12] <ogra> only the client
[11:15] <bluefrog-10> hum how do u insert it in the file? 
[11:16] <ogra> edit  ?
[11:16] <ogra> sudo gedit for example
[11:16] <bluefrog-10> same line than default hangs me at boot
[11:16] <bluefrog-10> line underneath?
[11:16] <ogra> you just append it to the end of the line
[11:16] <ogra> spearated with a space
[11:17] <bluefrog-10> acpi=off at end of line stuck at boot:  blinking cursor, trying noacpi...
[11:17] <ogra> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img pci=noacpi
[11:17] <bluefrog-10> k
[11:19] <bluefrog-10> after nfs-top waiting at ipconfig, going to wit a while to see it goes farther..
[11:23] <bluefrog-10> hum what puzzles me is that i have a dhcpack on server log on a mac address and another mac address on the client at the line where it waiting
[11:24] <ogra> did you try the other options ? 
[11:25] <ogra> nolapic
[11:25] <ogra> acpi=off
[11:25] <bluefrog-10> going to.. acpi=off stucks me at   boot:   on client
[11:30] <bluefrog-10> nolapic gets stuck at a scsi bus reset (i have a surestore hp that seems to be the pb in that case. will disc the tape tomorrow to see if there's a change) otherwise nevermind i'll try to stay away from amd as long until i have more time to deep myself into that problem
[11:32] <ogra> it simply shouldnt be a problem... thats a bit weird...
[11:32] <bluefrog-10> giving acpi=off another try
[11:32] <ogra> did you run a 686 kernel inbetween ? 
[11:32] <ogra> probabaly you got a wron initramfs
[11:32] <bluefrog-10> no
[11:32] <ogra> hmm
[11:32] <ogra> then it should work
[11:33] <bluefrog-10> ah this time acpi=off goes farther than    boot:
[11:33] <ogra> the 386 kernel is the one that is even installed on k7 systems by default
[11:33] <ogra> it also works on amd64 systems
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> still stuck at this strange IP CONFIG eth0 which has a different macaddress than the one listed on the server log at DHCPACK time
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> will try to use another network card
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> this one is integrated to cardboard
[11:36] <bluefrog-10> have a FC4 setup somewhere, will check if I have same problem tomorrow, ty for your answers.
[11:36] <ogra> i have a k7 system for testing, but its not around currently
[11:38] <bluefrog-10> well am startting FC4 now to have a look, but i may be screwed as I think i ahve a poopoo with my vmware network card for K12, edubuntu is not on vmware btw..
[11:51] <bluefrog-10> well enough for tonight, with K12 it's even worse, get a kernel panic while waiting for a dhcpd running on port 67... will find a 3com card to try with...
[11:55] <bluefrog-10> and i will stick with edubuntu as my laptop as well is making a kernel panic with K12 while it's working with edu :)
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> ah was wrong on that... kernel panic with edu as well for laptop, forgot about that.. well time to hit the sac ty bye