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Riddell** testers wanted **  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main04:58
=== claydoh perks!
=== freeflying waiting kde3.5 in dapper
Riddelluploadiung now05:37
freeflyingRiddel : can be used in dapper now ?05:38
Riddellfreeflying: no, it'll take a few hours to compile now05:39
freeflyingRiddell: great! 05:39
Riddellit's only up to kdebase, rest must wait for tomorrow, it's 04:30 now05:40
freeflyingRiddell: that' all right . it will be night here , I can get it ^_^05:46
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Tm_TRiddell: oh thank you06:49
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Tm_TRiddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php there's something odd, like beta2 ?07:19
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lexhiderHi Riddell, are you there still?07:51
Tm_Tseems not07:52
Tm_Tlexhider: what's up?07:52
lexhiderjust a problem with the kde35rc1 announcement on kubuntu.org07:53
Tm_Tah yes, I mentioned about it07:53
lexhiderthe line it quotes to put it the sources.list is still the one for beta2 not rc107:53
Tm_TI hope he see it when he wakes up07:53
lexhidercool,07:54
lexhidersee ya.07:54
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pefhello08:58
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OculusAquilaeRiddell: ping09:48
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jeroenvrphi folks12:01
jeroenvrpon http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php there is an error12:01
jeroenvrp:12:01
jeroenvrpit is saying: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35beta2 breezy main12:02
jeroenvrpand that must be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main12:02
jeroenvrpand that must be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1 breezy main12:02
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verwilsthellow dudes12:23
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verwilstRiddell, http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php <- repo path is still for beta2 ;)12:28
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hungerAny kde 3.5 rc1 debs planned for dapper? Looks like you already got some for breezy.02:20
freeflyinghunger: soon02:21
hungerfreeflying: Good... after updating artsd just now on dapper my kdesktop keeps crashing all the time.02:21
freeflyinghunger: Riddell are busing on compling02:22
seaLnewhat is the correct way to make a -p1 diff? what about the relative paths?03:17
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seaLnediff -Nru ?03:20
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RiddellseaLne: yes03:43
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seaLnefrom where? within the source tree?03:46
Riddellyes03:47
Riddellactually from the directory above for a -p1 patch03:48
RiddellI usually just edit the paths by hand in the patch03:48
seaLnediff -Nru kcfgcreator-0.3.1-orig/kcfgcreator/src/token.h kcfgcreator-0.3.1/kcfgcreator/src/token.h ?03:49
Riddellcommand would be  diff -Nru kcfgcreator-0.3.1-orig/ kcfgcreator-0.3.103:52
seaLnethat generates lots of output tho03:53
Riddellusually I edit the file and do  diff -u foo.cpp~ foo.cpp03:53
Riddellthen edit the diff to have the correct path at the top03:53
Riddellnote that emacs doesn't like editing .diff files.  just to be difficult.03:54
seaLnehttp://www2.duffus.org/tmp/patch ?03:55
Riddellperfect03:58
Riddellput it in debian/patches03:58
Riddelltest with patch -p1 < debian/patches/foo.diff03:59
Riddellgive is a name like 01_gcc4_fixes.diff03:59
seaLneright, so i now add patch stuff to debian/rules ?04:02
Riddellif you're using cdbs just add the simple-patch include04:05
seaLnek04:08
seaLneso i should unapply the patch before trying to build i take it04:08
Riddellyes04:08
Riddellpatch -p1 -R < debian/patches/foo.diff04:08
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hungerdamn... pbuilder create keeps failing.04:22
hungerdebootstrap itself works fine.04:22
hungerI think I'll just debootstrap manually and then use lvm snapshots instead of pbuilder.04:23
hungerSorry wrong channel;-)04:23
verwilsthellow riddell04:41
Riddellhi verwilst 04:45
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verwilstRiddell, will 3.5rc1 be the standard kde in dapper now?05:53
Riddellverwilst: no, 3.5 is on hold for yet another c++ transition :(05:53
verwilstuh?05:54
verwilstwhich one?05:54
Riddellhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2005/11/msg00104.html05:54
verwilstbut it's in dapper? just seen it in dapper-changes05:54
verwilstdoesn't seem to be that major?05:55
Riddellmeans renaming all the libraries again05:56
verwilstugh05:56
Riddellso I'm waiting on uploading futher kde stuff until new libstdc++ is in05:56
verwilsttss, damned changes05:57
verwilstbut visibility 'n stuffs will be enabled? :d05:57
Riddellcurrently it's enabled, if it causes problems I'll take it out05:58
verwilstsweet :)05:59
=== hunger is looking forward to the new kde debs.
verwilstand will there be another theme?05:59
=== verwilst didn't really like the current one :$
verwilst:d05:59
hungerNew bugs to run into... the old ones are starting to get boring;-)05:59
verwilsthehe06:00
verwilstand i'll make debug packages! i promise!06:00
verwilstbut euhm06:00
verwilstcan't it be built with debug standard?06:00
verwilstsince it's a seperate package06:00
hungerkdesktop is currently completly borked for me.06:00
Riddellverwilst: what sort of theme?06:00
verwilstbut i'm not sure wether the packages themselves change too..06:00
hungersince upgrading qt today it won't even start up anymore.06:00
verwilstRiddell, kdm06:00
Riddellfancy investigating the suse changes to kdm?06:01
RiddellI think they have patches to allow a list of users06:01
verwilstRiddell, rebuilding kde with debug enabled creates a new "-dbg" package06:01
verwilstooh06:01
verwilstsweetness :)06:01
verwilstwhich is 20meg for kdelibs, but i'm not sure wether the other subpkg's are changed too :$06:02
verwilsti mean, if installing the normal kde, or kde built with debugging, but without actually installing the -dbg deb's is the same06:03
hungerneuralis: You will wish for the latter once once the fire extinguisher goes of over your server.06:06
hungerSorry!06:06
Riddellverwilst: the -dbg is just for kdelibs, doesn't affect anything else06:06
hungerThis damn irc client keeps confusing me.06:06
verwilstRiddell, well yeah06:06
verwilstRiddell, but i mean, if you install the standard non-debug kdelibs06:07
verwilstor you install a kdelibs that's been built with debug enabled06:07
verwilstbut do not install the kdelibs-dbg deb06:07
verwilstwether that's the same06:07
verwilstor is it still slower than the normal build06:07
verwilstyou catching my drift? :)06:08
Riddellit's the same, the kdelibs will be stripped06:08
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Riddellhello bhna 06:09
bhnaRiddell: hello, just looking around.06:09
verwilstRiddell, so why not always build with debug enabled? ;)06:10
Riddelllooking around or wanting to become and elite kubuntu developer?06:10
Riddellverwilst: kdelibs is06:10
verwilstoh?06:10
Riddellthat's why there's the -dbg package06:10
verwilstah i don't know about rc106:10
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verwilsti was talking about when i built beta2 with debug06:11
=== verwilst will build kdevelop too with debug
verwilstthat damned app is the most crash-prone app i have on my system :p06:11
verwilstevery button shelters a crash ;)06:11
Riddellkdevdesigner is a pain, need to look into that06:12
verwilstkdevdesigner?06:12
bhnaRiddell: no chance. i know nothing about any programming language.06:12
verwilstyou mean qt designer that's now included into kdevelop06:12
verwilst?06:12
Riddellverwilst: yes, it crashes every time as far as I know06:13
verwilsthehe06:13
verwilstkdevelop has done so since the day i started using it06:13
Riddellbhna: anyone can package though :)06:13
verwilstit's always been crashy06:13
verwilstand i miss proper auto-completion ala intellisense06:14
verwilstvs.net is a very nice app06:14
verwilsti wish kdevelop would become of the same level :)06:14
bhnaRiddell: a you mean a packager. wich package do yu need? are there any readable documentation about making a deb? 06:15
verwilstcedega is becoming pretty great too!06:15
Riddellverwilst: what's that?06:17
Riddellbhna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide06:17
Riddellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU too06:17
Riddellgambas needs an update for anyone looking for something to play with06:18
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bhnaRiddell: are there a german documantation?06:33
Riddellbhna: not that I know of, you can always ask amu06:33
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Tm_Thmm, transparency in pager doesn't work? rc106:43
RiddellI've never noticed it being transparent06:44
Riddellthe Krusader developers sent me an e-mail asking for it to be in Kubuntu, not sure how to reply06:45
hunger_Riddell: No prob... if somebody packages it it can go into universe, can't it?06:46
Riddellit is in universe06:47
Riddellthey want it on the CD06:47
hunger_Riddell: I wouldn't want it instead of konqui...06:48
hunger_Riddell: If you ask me, I'd say no. Konq is already a decent filemanager.06:48
Riddellexactly06:50
RiddellI just feel bad at turning them down06:50
Tm_T:/06:51
Tm_TRiddell: kpager has an option to set background transparent06:51
Tm_Tbut if I do so, panel transparency AND kpager transparency doesn't work06:52
Tm_Twithout it panels (kicker etc) does have working transparency06:52
Tm_Tstrange bug06:52
RiddellTm_T: works for me06:52
Riddellsome of the time06:52
Tm_Thmm, I'll test again06:52
Tm_Tsome?06:53
Riddellkicker transparency seems not to work all the time, but pager is fine06:53
Tm_Tyu06:53
Tm_Tit comes and goes06:54
Riddellalthough transparent kicker is nasty I'd say06:54
Riddellsince I always use full screen windows06:54
Tm_Thehm I don't always06:54
Tm_Tmostly not06:54
Tm_Tah well, I don't use kpager anyway (I mean it's hidden most of the time06:55
Tm_T)06:55
Tm_TI normally doesn't use transparent kicker06:55
Tm_Tbut I like to test new (and "new") things :)06:56
Tm_Terrrh, laag, have to fix this ->06:56
hunger_Riddell: Could you please not depend on xbase-clients with kdm when doing the new debs?06:57
hunger_Riddell: xbase-clients is a transitional package that should go away.06:57
Riddellhunger_: does it cause a problem?06:59
hunger_Riddell: I can not remove the transition cruft;-)06:59
Riddelland what's the program is needs instread?  xauth?06:59
hunger_Riddell: I'd guess xauth06:59
hunger_Riddell: Forget it... ubuntu-desktop depends on x-window-system-core which in turn depends on xbase-clients.07:00
hunger_So I can not remove it anyway:-)07:00
Riddellwell I'll change it anyway07:01
hunger_Riddell: Well, dapper is supposed to be about "polishing". It would be nice if the hoary->breezy transition stuff could get removed IMHO.07:02
Riddellanything else should be removed?07:02
hunger_Riddell: kdessh depends on ssh which is a transitional deb, too. Dunno whether you are responsible for that.07:03
RiddellI spose I could b07:03
RiddellI spose I could be07:03
hunger_Riddell: And of course there is kubuntu-desktop (x-window-system-core) and qt (xlibs)07:03
Riddellbut also we don't want to get out of sync with debian on stuff like that07:03
hunger_Riddell: ssh | openssh-client should work for ssh:-)07:05
hunger_Dunno whether xbase-clients | ( xauth, whatever ) is legal.07:06
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=== lamont phears that kde 3.5 will still ICE all over arm/m68k/hppa
Riddelllamont: kde uploads are mostly on hold until libstdc++ transition can happer07:53
Riddell3.5 packages sync with debian which uses gcc 3.4 for lots of stuff07:54
lamontRiddell: again?07:54
Riddellhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2005/11/msg00104.html07:54
lamontah, waiting for debian to do the transition, got it07:54
Riddelllibstdc++ change07:54
Riddellwaiting for ubuntu to do the transition07:54
lamontah, ok07:56
Riddellso if you coordinate with doko and infinity and the like to get buildds all updated at the same time to new libstdc++, that'll make the transition and new kde uploads all the faster :)07:57
lamontor if you just want to use build-depends like they're intended to be used............07:58
Riddellhmm, what would the version build-dep for qt be on?07:59
lamonton whatever version you know will be built with the right version... which is to say the one that build-depends on the right version of libstdc++08:02
Riddellversion of what though?  qt doesn't build-dep on libstdc++ directory08:03
Riddelldirectly08:03
lamontanytime you tell me "please install version X of package Foo in the chroots and tell me so I can do an upload", you have just codified a versioned build-dep that you're declaring to the buildd admin(s) instead of the source.08:03
lamontif it needs to be built against version X of libstdc++6, then it _DOES_ build-depend that versin.08:03
lamontit's just not declared08:03
Riddellso add a build-dep on libstdc++, sorted08:04
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laszlokIt says on the kubuntu kde3.5rc1 announcement that 3.5rc1 packages have been uploaded to dapper repositiores, but they're not there08:55
Riddelllaszlok: they got delayed by a new c++ transition09:08
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laszlokahh okay, i'll use the breezy ones till they get uploaded09:11
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Tm_They, Kcontrol doesn't work in RC1 ?09:50
Tm_Tah, does09:50
Tm_Tmenu entry doesn't09:50
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spstarr_homemm? RC1 eh11:07
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