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Riddell | ** testers wanted ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main | 04:58 |
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Riddell | uploadiung now | 05:37 |
freeflying | Riddel : can be used in dapper now ? | 05:38 |
Riddell | freeflying: no, it'll take a few hours to compile now | 05:39 |
freeflying | Riddell: great! | 05:39 |
Riddell | it's only up to kdebase, rest must wait for tomorrow, it's 04:30 now | 05:40 |
freeflying | Riddell: that' all right . it will be night here , I can get it ^_^ | 05:46 |
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Tm_T | Riddell: oh thank you | 06:49 |
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Tm_T | Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php there's something odd, like beta2 ? | 07:19 |
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lexhider | Hi Riddell, are you there still? | 07:51 |
Tm_T | seems not | 07:52 |
Tm_T | lexhider: what's up? | 07:52 |
lexhider | just a problem with the kde35rc1 announcement on kubuntu.org | 07:53 |
Tm_T | ah yes, I mentioned about it | 07:53 |
lexhider | the line it quotes to put it the sources.list is still the one for beta2 not rc1 | 07:53 |
Tm_T | I hope he see it when he wakes up | 07:53 |
lexhider | cool, | 07:54 |
lexhider | see ya. | 07:54 |
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pef | hello | 08:58 |
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OculusAquilae | Riddell: ping | 09:48 |
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jeroenvrp | hi folks | 12:01 |
jeroenvrp | on http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php there is an error | 12:01 |
jeroenvrp | : | 12:01 |
jeroenvrp | it is saying: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35beta2 breezy main | 12:02 |
jeroenvrp | and that must be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main | 12:02 |
jeroenvrp | and that must be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1 breezy main | 12:02 |
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verwilst | hellow dudes | 12:23 |
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verwilst | Riddell, http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php <- repo path is still for beta2 ;) | 12:28 |
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hunger | Any kde 3.5 rc1 debs planned for dapper? Looks like you already got some for breezy. | 02:20 |
freeflying | hunger: soon | 02:21 |
hunger | freeflying: Good... after updating artsd just now on dapper my kdesktop keeps crashing all the time. | 02:21 |
freeflying | hunger: Riddell are busing on compling | 02:22 |
seaLne | what is the correct way to make a -p1 diff? what about the relative paths? | 03:17 |
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seaLne | diff -Nru ? | 03:20 |
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Riddell | seaLne: yes | 03:43 |
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seaLne | from where? within the source tree? | 03:46 |
Riddell | yes | 03:47 |
Riddell | actually from the directory above for a -p1 patch | 03:48 |
Riddell | I usually just edit the paths by hand in the patch | 03:48 |
seaLne | diff -Nru kcfgcreator-0.3.1-orig/kcfgcreator/src/token.h kcfgcreator-0.3.1/kcfgcreator/src/token.h ? | 03:49 |
Riddell | command would be diff -Nru kcfgcreator-0.3.1-orig/ kcfgcreator-0.3.1 | 03:52 |
seaLne | that generates lots of output tho | 03:53 |
Riddell | usually I edit the file and do diff -u foo.cpp~ foo.cpp | 03:53 |
Riddell | then edit the diff to have the correct path at the top | 03:53 |
Riddell | note that emacs doesn't like editing .diff files. just to be difficult. | 03:54 |
seaLne | http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/patch ? | 03:55 |
Riddell | perfect | 03:58 |
Riddell | put it in debian/patches | 03:58 |
Riddell | test with patch -p1 < debian/patches/foo.diff | 03:59 |
Riddell | give is a name like 01_gcc4_fixes.diff | 03:59 |
seaLne | right, so i now add patch stuff to debian/rules ? | 04:02 |
Riddell | if you're using cdbs just add the simple-patch include | 04:05 |
seaLne | k | 04:08 |
seaLne | so i should unapply the patch before trying to build i take it | 04:08 |
Riddell | yes | 04:08 |
Riddell | patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/foo.diff | 04:08 |
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hunger | damn... pbuilder create keeps failing. | 04:22 |
hunger | debootstrap itself works fine. | 04:22 |
hunger | I think I'll just debootstrap manually and then use lvm snapshots instead of pbuilder. | 04:23 |
hunger | Sorry wrong channel;-) | 04:23 |
verwilst | hellow riddell | 04:41 |
Riddell | hi verwilst | 04:45 |
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verwilst | Riddell, will 3.5rc1 be the standard kde in dapper now? | 05:53 |
Riddell | verwilst: no, 3.5 is on hold for yet another c++ transition :( | 05:53 |
verwilst | uh? | 05:54 |
verwilst | which one? | 05:54 |
Riddell | http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2005/11/msg00104.html | 05:54 |
verwilst | but it's in dapper? just seen it in dapper-changes | 05:54 |
verwilst | doesn't seem to be that major? | 05:55 |
Riddell | means renaming all the libraries again | 05:56 |
verwilst | ugh | 05:56 |
Riddell | so I'm waiting on uploading futher kde stuff until new libstdc++ is in | 05:56 |
verwilst | tss, damned changes | 05:57 |
verwilst | but visibility 'n stuffs will be enabled? :d | 05:57 |
Riddell | currently it's enabled, if it causes problems I'll take it out | 05:58 |
verwilst | sweet :) | 05:59 |
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verwilst | and will there be another theme? | 05:59 |
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verwilst | :d | 05:59 |
hunger | New bugs to run into... the old ones are starting to get boring;-) | 05:59 |
verwilst | hehe | 06:00 |
verwilst | and i'll make debug packages! i promise! | 06:00 |
verwilst | but euhm | 06:00 |
verwilst | can't it be built with debug standard? | 06:00 |
verwilst | since it's a seperate package | 06:00 |
hunger | kdesktop is currently completly borked for me. | 06:00 |
Riddell | verwilst: what sort of theme? | 06:00 |
verwilst | but i'm not sure wether the packages themselves change too.. | 06:00 |
hunger | since upgrading qt today it won't even start up anymore. | 06:00 |
verwilst | Riddell, kdm | 06:00 |
Riddell | fancy investigating the suse changes to kdm? | 06:01 |
Riddell | I think they have patches to allow a list of users | 06:01 |
verwilst | Riddell, rebuilding kde with debug enabled creates a new "-dbg" package | 06:01 |
verwilst | ooh | 06:01 |
verwilst | sweetness :) | 06:01 |
verwilst | which is 20meg for kdelibs, but i'm not sure wether the other subpkg's are changed too :$ | 06:02 |
verwilst | i mean, if installing the normal kde, or kde built with debugging, but without actually installing the -dbg deb's is the same | 06:03 |
hunger | neuralis: You will wish for the latter once once the fire extinguisher goes of over your server. | 06:06 |
hunger | Sorry! | 06:06 |
Riddell | verwilst: the -dbg is just for kdelibs, doesn't affect anything else | 06:06 |
hunger | This damn irc client keeps confusing me. | 06:06 |
verwilst | Riddell, well yeah | 06:06 |
verwilst | Riddell, but i mean, if you install the standard non-debug kdelibs | 06:07 |
verwilst | or you install a kdelibs that's been built with debug enabled | 06:07 |
verwilst | but do not install the kdelibs-dbg deb | 06:07 |
verwilst | wether that's the same | 06:07 |
verwilst | or is it still slower than the normal build | 06:07 |
verwilst | you catching my drift? :) | 06:08 |
Riddell | it's the same, the kdelibs will be stripped | 06:08 |
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Riddell | hello bhna | 06:09 |
bhna | Riddell: hello, just looking around. | 06:09 |
verwilst | Riddell, so why not always build with debug enabled? ;) | 06:10 |
Riddell | looking around or wanting to become and elite kubuntu developer? | 06:10 |
Riddell | verwilst: kdelibs is | 06:10 |
verwilst | oh? | 06:10 |
Riddell | that's why there's the -dbg package | 06:10 |
verwilst | ah i don't know about rc1 | 06:10 |
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verwilst | i was talking about when i built beta2 with debug | 06:11 |
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verwilst | that damned app is the most crash-prone app i have on my system :p | 06:11 |
verwilst | every button shelters a crash ;) | 06:11 |
Riddell | kdevdesigner is a pain, need to look into that | 06:12 |
verwilst | kdevdesigner? | 06:12 |
bhna | Riddell: no chance. i know nothing about any programming language. | 06:12 |
verwilst | you mean qt designer that's now included into kdevelop | 06:12 |
verwilst | ? | 06:12 |
Riddell | verwilst: yes, it crashes every time as far as I know | 06:13 |
verwilst | hehe | 06:13 |
verwilst | kdevelop has done so since the day i started using it | 06:13 |
Riddell | bhna: anyone can package though :) | 06:13 |
verwilst | it's always been crashy | 06:13 |
verwilst | and i miss proper auto-completion ala intellisense | 06:14 |
verwilst | vs.net is a very nice app | 06:14 |
verwilst | i wish kdevelop would become of the same level :) | 06:14 |
bhna | Riddell: a you mean a packager. wich package do yu need? are there any readable documentation about making a deb? | 06:15 |
verwilst | cedega is becoming pretty great too! | 06:15 |
Riddell | verwilst: what's that? | 06:17 |
Riddell | bhna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide | 06:17 |
Riddell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU too | 06:17 |
Riddell | gambas needs an update for anyone looking for something to play with | 06:18 |
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bhna | Riddell: are there a german documantation? | 06:33 |
Riddell | bhna: not that I know of, you can always ask amu | 06:33 |
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Tm_T | hmm, transparency in pager doesn't work? rc1 | 06:43 |
Riddell | I've never noticed it being transparent | 06:44 |
Riddell | the Krusader developers sent me an e-mail asking for it to be in Kubuntu, not sure how to reply | 06:45 |
hunger_ | Riddell: No prob... if somebody packages it it can go into universe, can't it? | 06:46 |
Riddell | it is in universe | 06:47 |
Riddell | they want it on the CD | 06:47 |
hunger_ | Riddell: I wouldn't want it instead of konqui... | 06:48 |
hunger_ | Riddell: If you ask me, I'd say no. Konq is already a decent filemanager. | 06:48 |
Riddell | exactly | 06:50 |
Riddell | I just feel bad at turning them down | 06:50 |
Tm_T | :/ | 06:51 |
Tm_T | Riddell: kpager has an option to set background transparent | 06:51 |
Tm_T | but if I do so, panel transparency AND kpager transparency doesn't work | 06:52 |
Tm_T | without it panels (kicker etc) does have working transparency | 06:52 |
Tm_T | strange bug | 06:52 |
Riddell | Tm_T: works for me | 06:52 |
Riddell | some of the time | 06:52 |
Tm_T | hmm, I'll test again | 06:52 |
Tm_T | some? | 06:53 |
Riddell | kicker transparency seems not to work all the time, but pager is fine | 06:53 |
Tm_T | yu | 06:53 |
Tm_T | it comes and goes | 06:54 |
Riddell | although transparent kicker is nasty I'd say | 06:54 |
Riddell | since I always use full screen windows | 06:54 |
Tm_T | hehm I don't always | 06:54 |
Tm_T | mostly not | 06:54 |
Tm_T | ah well, I don't use kpager anyway (I mean it's hidden most of the time | 06:55 |
Tm_T | ) | 06:55 |
Tm_T | I normally doesn't use transparent kicker | 06:55 |
Tm_T | but I like to test new (and "new") things :) | 06:56 |
Tm_T | errrh, laag, have to fix this -> | 06:56 |
hunger_ | Riddell: Could you please not depend on xbase-clients with kdm when doing the new debs? | 06:57 |
hunger_ | Riddell: xbase-clients is a transitional package that should go away. | 06:57 |
Riddell | hunger_: does it cause a problem? | 06:59 |
hunger_ | Riddell: I can not remove the transition cruft;-) | 06:59 |
Riddell | and what's the program is needs instread? xauth? | 06:59 |
hunger_ | Riddell: I'd guess xauth | 06:59 |
hunger_ | Riddell: Forget it... ubuntu-desktop depends on x-window-system-core which in turn depends on xbase-clients. | 07:00 |
hunger_ | So I can not remove it anyway:-) | 07:00 |
Riddell | well I'll change it anyway | 07:01 |
hunger_ | Riddell: Well, dapper is supposed to be about "polishing". It would be nice if the hoary->breezy transition stuff could get removed IMHO. | 07:02 |
Riddell | anything else should be removed? | 07:02 |
hunger_ | Riddell: kdessh depends on ssh which is a transitional deb, too. Dunno whether you are responsible for that. | 07:03 |
Riddell | I spose I could b | 07:03 |
Riddell | I spose I could be | 07:03 |
hunger_ | Riddell: And of course there is kubuntu-desktop (x-window-system-core) and qt (xlibs) | 07:03 |
Riddell | but also we don't want to get out of sync with debian on stuff like that | 07:03 |
hunger_ | Riddell: ssh | openssh-client should work for ssh:-) | 07:05 |
hunger_ | Dunno whether xbase-clients | ( xauth, whatever ) is legal. | 07:06 |
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Riddell | lamont: kde uploads are mostly on hold until libstdc++ transition can happer | 07:53 |
Riddell | 3.5 packages sync with debian which uses gcc 3.4 for lots of stuff | 07:54 |
lamont | Riddell: again? | 07:54 |
Riddell | http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2005/11/msg00104.html | 07:54 |
lamont | ah, waiting for debian to do the transition, got it | 07:54 |
Riddell | libstdc++ change | 07:54 |
Riddell | waiting for ubuntu to do the transition | 07:54 |
lamont | ah, ok | 07:56 |
Riddell | so if you coordinate with doko and infinity and the like to get buildds all updated at the same time to new libstdc++, that'll make the transition and new kde uploads all the faster :) | 07:57 |
lamont | or if you just want to use build-depends like they're intended to be used............ | 07:58 |
Riddell | hmm, what would the version build-dep for qt be on? | 07:59 |
lamont | on whatever version you know will be built with the right version... which is to say the one that build-depends on the right version of libstdc++ | 08:02 |
Riddell | version of what though? qt doesn't build-dep on libstdc++ directory | 08:03 |
Riddell | directly | 08:03 |
lamont | anytime you tell me "please install version X of package Foo in the chroots and tell me so I can do an upload", you have just codified a versioned build-dep that you're declaring to the buildd admin(s) instead of the source. | 08:03 |
lamont | if it needs to be built against version X of libstdc++6, then it _DOES_ build-depend that versin. | 08:03 |
lamont | it's just not declared | 08:03 |
Riddell | so add a build-dep on libstdc++, sorted | 08:04 |
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laszlok | It says on the kubuntu kde3.5rc1 announcement that 3.5rc1 packages have been uploaded to dapper repositiores, but they're not there | 08:55 |
Riddell | laszlok: they got delayed by a new c++ transition | 09:08 |
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laszlok | ahh okay, i'll use the breezy ones till they get uploaded | 09:11 |
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Tm_T | hey, Kcontrol doesn't work in RC1 ? | 09:50 |
Tm_T | ah, does | 09:50 |
Tm_T | menu entry doesn't | 09:50 |
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spstarr_home | mm? RC1 eh | 11:07 |
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