=== _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-156-81-7.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F5DD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60965.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.186.225] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:58] ** testers wanted ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main === claydoh perks! === freeflying waiting kde3.5 in dapper [05:37] uploadiung now [05:38] Riddel : can be used in dapper now ? [05:39] freeflying: no, it'll take a few hours to compile now [05:39] Riddell: great! [05:40] it's only up to kdebase, rest must wait for tomorrow, it's 04:30 now [05:46] Riddell: that' all right . it will be night here , I can get it ^_^ === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.186.225] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.35.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:49] Riddell: oh thank you === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.35.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:19] Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php there's something odd, like beta2 ? === hunger [n=hunger@p54A633AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lexhider [n=lexhider@ppp88-98.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:51] Hi Riddell, are you there still? [07:52] seems not [07:52] lexhider: what's up? [07:53] just a problem with the kde35rc1 announcement on kubuntu.org [07:53] ah yes, I mentioned about it [07:53] the line it quotes to put it the sources.list is still the one for beta2 not rc1 [07:53] I hope he see it when he wakes up [07:54] cool, [07:54] see ya. === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:58] hello === pef is now known as pef_aw === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D08D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D08D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:48] Riddell: ping === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D08D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] hi folks [12:01] on http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php there is an error [12:01] : [12:02] it is saying: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35beta2 breezy main [12:02] and that must be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main [12:02] and that must be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1 breezy main === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Get] === verwilst [n=verwilst@dD5E00BC6.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] hellow dudes === olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-250-175.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:28] Riddell, http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php <- repo path is still for beta2 ;) === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D2895.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62155.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jre [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-242-81.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] Any kde 3.5 rc1 debs planned for dapper? Looks like you already got some for breezy. [02:21] hunger: soon [02:21] freeflying: Good... after updating artsd just now on dapper my kdesktop keeps crashing all the time. [02:22] hunger: Riddell are busing on compling [03:17] what is the correct way to make a -p1 diff? what about the relative paths? === botein [n=nobody@p54878CD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:20] diff -Nru ? === botein [n=nobody@p54878CD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["I] [03:43] seaLne: yes === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D4336.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:46] from where? within the source tree? [03:47] yes [03:48] actually from the directory above for a -p1 patch [03:48] I usually just edit the paths by hand in the patch [03:49] diff -Nru kcfgcreator-0.3.1-orig/kcfgcreator/src/token.h kcfgcreator-0.3.1/kcfgcreator/src/token.h ? [03:52] command would be diff -Nru kcfgcreator-0.3.1-orig/ kcfgcreator-0.3.1 [03:53] that generates lots of output tho [03:53] usually I edit the file and do diff -u foo.cpp~ foo.cpp [03:53] then edit the diff to have the correct path at the top [03:54] note that emacs doesn't like editing .diff files. just to be difficult. [03:55] http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/patch ? [03:58] perfect [03:58] put it in debian/patches [03:59] test with patch -p1 < debian/patches/foo.diff [03:59] give is a name like 01_gcc4_fixes.diff [04:02] right, so i now add patch stuff to debian/rules ? [04:05] if you're using cdbs just add the simple-patch include [04:08] k [04:08] so i should unapply the patch before trying to build i take it [04:08] yes [04:08] patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/foo.diff === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-242-205.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:22] damn... pbuilder create keeps failing. [04:22] debootstrap itself works fine. [04:23] I think I'll just debootstrap manually and then use lvm snapshots instead of pbuilder. [04:23] Sorry wrong channel;-) [04:41] hellow riddell [04:45] hi verwilst === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Drakeson [n=Drakeson@user41.vpn.utoronto.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Drakeson [n=Drakeson@user41.vpn.utoronto.ca] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-213-40.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:53] Riddell, will 3.5rc1 be the standard kde in dapper now? [05:53] verwilst: no, 3.5 is on hold for yet another c++ transition :( [05:54] uh? [05:54] which one? [05:54] http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2005/11/msg00104.html [05:54] but it's in dapper? just seen it in dapper-changes [05:55] doesn't seem to be that major? [05:56] means renaming all the libraries again [05:56] ugh [05:56] so I'm waiting on uploading futher kde stuff until new libstdc++ is in [05:57] tss, damned changes [05:57] but visibility 'n stuffs will be enabled? :d [05:58] currently it's enabled, if it causes problems I'll take it out [05:59] sweet :) === hunger is looking forward to the new kde debs. [05:59] and will there be another theme? === verwilst didn't really like the current one :$ [05:59] :d [05:59] New bugs to run into... the old ones are starting to get boring;-) [06:00] hehe [06:00] and i'll make debug packages! i promise! [06:00] but euhm [06:00] can't it be built with debug standard? [06:00] since it's a seperate package [06:00] kdesktop is currently completly borked for me. [06:00] verwilst: what sort of theme? [06:00] but i'm not sure wether the packages themselves change too.. [06:00] since upgrading qt today it won't even start up anymore. [06:00] Riddell, kdm [06:01] fancy investigating the suse changes to kdm? [06:01] I think they have patches to allow a list of users [06:01] Riddell, rebuilding kde with debug enabled creates a new "-dbg" package [06:01] ooh [06:01] sweetness :) [06:02] which is 20meg for kdelibs, but i'm not sure wether the other subpkg's are changed too :$ [06:03] i mean, if installing the normal kde, or kde built with debugging, but without actually installing the -dbg deb's is the same [06:06] neuralis: You will wish for the latter once once the fire extinguisher goes of over your server. [06:06] Sorry! [06:06] verwilst: the -dbg is just for kdelibs, doesn't affect anything else [06:06] This damn irc client keeps confusing me. [06:06] Riddell, well yeah [06:07] Riddell, but i mean, if you install the standard non-debug kdelibs [06:07] or you install a kdelibs that's been built with debug enabled [06:07] but do not install the kdelibs-dbg deb [06:07] wether that's the same [06:07] or is it still slower than the normal build [06:08] you catching my drift? :) [06:08] it's the same, the kdelibs will be stripped === bhna [n=andreas@p54B8470A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:09] hello bhna [06:09] Riddell: hello, just looking around. [06:10] Riddell, so why not always build with debug enabled? ;) [06:10] looking around or wanting to become and elite kubuntu developer? [06:10] verwilst: kdelibs is [06:10] oh? [06:10] that's why there's the -dbg package [06:10] ah i don't know about rc1 === pef is now known as pef_aw [06:11] i was talking about when i built beta2 with debug === verwilst will build kdevelop too with debug [06:11] that damned app is the most crash-prone app i have on my system :p [06:11] every button shelters a crash ;) [06:12] kdevdesigner is a pain, need to look into that [06:12] kdevdesigner? [06:12] Riddell: no chance. i know nothing about any programming language. [06:12] you mean qt designer that's now included into kdevelop [06:12] ? [06:13] verwilst: yes, it crashes every time as far as I know [06:13] hehe [06:13] kdevelop has done so since the day i started using it [06:13] bhna: anyone can package though :) [06:13] it's always been crashy [06:14] and i miss proper auto-completion ala intellisense [06:14] vs.net is a very nice app [06:14] i wish kdevelop would become of the same level :) [06:15] Riddell: a you mean a packager. wich package do yu need? are there any readable documentation about making a deb? [06:15] cedega is becoming pretty great too! [06:17] verwilst: what's that? [06:17] bhna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide [06:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU too [06:18] gambas needs an update for anyone looking for something to play with === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A617B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:33] Riddell: are there a german documantation? [06:33] bhna: not that I know of, you can always ask amu === bhna [n=andreas@p54B8470A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [06:43] hmm, transparency in pager doesn't work? rc1 [06:44] I've never noticed it being transparent [06:45] the Krusader developers sent me an e-mail asking for it to be in Kubuntu, not sure how to reply [06:46] Riddell: No prob... if somebody packages it it can go into universe, can't it? [06:47] it is in universe [06:47] they want it on the CD [06:48] Riddell: I wouldn't want it instead of konqui... [06:48] Riddell: If you ask me, I'd say no. Konq is already a decent filemanager. [06:50] exactly [06:50] I just feel bad at turning them down [06:51] :/ [06:51] Riddell: kpager has an option to set background transparent [06:52] but if I do so, panel transparency AND kpager transparency doesn't work [06:52] without it panels (kicker etc) does have working transparency [06:52] strange bug [06:52] Tm_T: works for me [06:52] some of the time [06:52] hmm, I'll test again [06:53] some? [06:53] kicker transparency seems not to work all the time, but pager is fine [06:53] yu [06:54] it comes and goes [06:54] although transparent kicker is nasty I'd say [06:54] since I always use full screen windows [06:54] hehm I don't always [06:54] mostly not [06:55] ah well, I don't use kpager anyway (I mean it's hidden most of the time [06:55] ) [06:55] I normally doesn't use transparent kicker [06:56] but I like to test new (and "new") things :) [06:56] errrh, laag, have to fix this -> [06:57] Riddell: Could you please not depend on xbase-clients with kdm when doing the new debs? [06:57] Riddell: xbase-clients is a transitional package that should go away. [06:59] hunger_: does it cause a problem? [06:59] Riddell: I can not remove the transition cruft;-) [06:59] and what's the program is needs instread? xauth? [06:59] Riddell: I'd guess xauth [07:00] Riddell: Forget it... ubuntu-desktop depends on x-window-system-core which in turn depends on xbase-clients. [07:00] So I can not remove it anyway:-) [07:01] well I'll change it anyway [07:02] Riddell: Well, dapper is supposed to be about "polishing". It would be nice if the hoary->breezy transition stuff could get removed IMHO. [07:02] anything else should be removed? [07:03] Riddell: kdessh depends on ssh which is a transitional deb, too. Dunno whether you are responsible for that. [07:03] I spose I could b [07:03] I spose I could be [07:03] Riddell: And of course there is kubuntu-desktop (x-window-system-core) and qt (xlibs) [07:03] but also we don't want to get out of sync with debian on stuff like that [07:05] Riddell: ssh | openssh-client should work for ssh:-) [07:06] Dunno whether xbase-clients | ( xauth, whatever ) is legal. === hunger_ is off: cooking === lamont [n=lamont@207.111.195.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lamont kicks kdeaddons, kdebluetooth, kdeaccessibility, and ksubtile === lamont phears that kde 3.5 will still ICE all over arm/m68k/hppa [07:53] lamont: kde uploads are mostly on hold until libstdc++ transition can happer [07:54] 3.5 packages sync with debian which uses gcc 3.4 for lots of stuff [07:54] Riddell: again? [07:54] http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2005/11/msg00104.html [07:54] ah, waiting for debian to do the transition, got it [07:54] libstdc++ change [07:54] waiting for ubuntu to do the transition [07:56] ah, ok [07:57] so if you coordinate with doko and infinity and the like to get buildds all updated at the same time to new libstdc++, that'll make the transition and new kde uploads all the faster :) [07:58] or if you just want to use build-depends like they're intended to be used............ [07:59] hmm, what would the version build-dep for qt be on? [08:02] on whatever version you know will be built with the right version... which is to say the one that build-depends on the right version of libstdc++ [08:03] version of what though? qt doesn't build-dep on libstdc++ directory [08:03] directly [08:03] anytime you tell me "please install version X of package Foo in the chroots and tell me so I can do an upload", you have just codified a versioned build-dep that you're declaring to the buildd admin(s) instead of the source. [08:03] if it needs to be built against version X of libstdc++6, then it _DOES_ build-depend that versin. [08:03] it's just not declared [08:04] so add a build-dep on libstdc++, sorted === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #kubuntu-devel === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:55] It says on the kubuntu kde3.5rc1 announcement that 3.5rc1 packages have been uploaded to dapper repositiores, but they're not there [09:08] laszlok: they got delayed by a new c++ transition === Riddell updates webpage [09:11] ahh okay, i'll use the breezy ones till they get uploaded === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #kubuntu-devel === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:50] hey, Kcontrol doesn't work in RC1 ? [09:50] ah, does [09:50] menu entry doesn't === spstarr_home [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.186.225] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A638D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:07] mm? RC1 eh === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-241-7.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === spstarr_home bumps to RC1 === olwin_ [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-242-6.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel