[12:03] <dell500> 13946 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2789.021 FPS
[12:03] <dell500> 13037 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2607.309 FPS
[12:03] <dell500> 13389 frames in 5.1 seconds = 2602.607 FPS
[12:03] <pr0tocol> wow...you lucky bastard
[12:04] <kdude> anybody?
[12:04] <dell500> gotta type 'glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistooisnotabenchmark lol
[12:04] <dell500> pr0tocol, no, like you type fglrxinfo | grep accel or something
[12:05] <dell500> bbl
[12:06] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, how's it lookin?
[12:07] <thmas> thanks guys 
[12:07] <pr0tocol> no problem
[12:07] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: i have milk options now
[12:07] <pr0tocol> where?
[12:07] <pr0tocol> in the win deco options I do
[12:08] <propagandhi> yeah in the win decos too
[12:08] <pr0tocol> I only have it in the "Button Style" Menu, though
[12:09] <pr0tocol> since the I can't make install the baghira/style crap, I guess I wont be able to get the 'milkesque' style
[12:11] <atidem> hello
[12:11] <pr0tocol> hello
[12:12] <atidem> how show icon (home, trash, etc..) on desktop?
[12:13] <atidem> I tried to set hide value's to false 
[12:13] <atidem> but it doesnt work
[12:13] <pr0tocol> at1as, right-click on desktop, click on Configure Desktop, Behavior, File/Device Icons
[12:14] <pr0tocol> oops, I meant atidem 
[12:14] <pr0tocol> ^^
[12:14] <atidem> it shows only hidden files
[12:17] <atidem> nobody can help me?
[12:19] <jk-> atidem: how about in Configure Desktop -> Behaviour -> General : do you have 'Show icons on desktop' checked?
[12:19] <jk-> do you have any icons on there at the moment ?
[12:19] <atidem> yes, it is
[12:20] <atidem> at moment nope
[12:20] <jk-> ok, open up a konqueror, and browse to ~/Desktop
[12:20] <jk-> is there anything in there ?
[12:20] <atidem> I set in trash.desktop Hidden value to FALSE
[12:21] <atidem> atidem@zeus:~/Desktop$ ls
[12:21] <atidem> trash.desktop
[12:21] <jk-> ok, just create a new file in ~/Desktop
[12:21] <jk-> echo test > ~/Desktop/test-file
[12:21] <jk-> and see if it appears
[12:22] <atidem> yes it appears
[12:22] <atidem> it's really strange
[12:24] <Sgep> Can I make Adept use apt-build?
[12:25] <sambagirl> did MM leave?
[12:26] <sambagirl> kubuntu is real different from gnome.
[12:26] <atidem> jk- on my desktop I can see only the backup file of trash
[12:28] <sambagirl> i changed my desktop resolution from 1024/768 to 800*600 but my xchat still is the highher resolution. why?
[12:29] <havok> hey real wierd issue on my brothers computer
[12:29] <gdh> none of his porn is any good? :)
[12:30] <havok> the harddrive its booting off of is not mounted ??? rofl
[12:30] <havok> How in the heck woudl I mount it.
[12:30] <havok> I dotn get how it cant be mounted when t he os is booting off this hardrive but it acts like its not mounted
[12:33] <atidem> ok I solved my problem
[12:33] <havok> other words when I goto Media: it dos not show the hardrive or cdrom
[12:33] <atidem> removed ~/.kde folder
[12:34] <atidem> $ pico trash.desktop
[12:34] <atidem> and changed value hidden from true from false
[12:35] <atidem> *to
[12:40] <crimson> hi
[12:40] <crimson> need some help
[12:41] <crimson> with this  checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:41] <crimsun> install build-essential
[12:42] <Knowerrors> Hey all I get this when I plug in my digital camera to USB- FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!Nov 11 15:33:13 scsi0 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
[12:42] <Knowerrors> any ideas to fix?
[12:44] <fyrmedic> How do I get amarok to build a collection. I have tried sqlite and now mysql but neither works
[12:46] <Knowerrors> heres the full details of the camera plugin http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4383
[12:47] <Knowerrors> whats missing?  btw, this is a self rolled kernel
[12:49] <crimson> hi crimson, thanks for the "build..." it works but now i get this checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:49] <crimson> *crimsun
[12:49] <crimsun> crimson: what are you trying to compile?
[12:49] <crimson> k9copy
[12:50] <robotgeek> so, we have two versions of crimsun here. *rubs* his eyes!
[12:50] <crimson> hohoho
[12:51] <crimsun> crimson: install libx11-dev
[12:52] <crimson> ok
[12:59] <slow-motion_> n8
[01:08] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:08] <kkathman> crimsun you in the room ?
[01:08] <crimsun> kkathman: pong
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:10] <kkathman> crimsun: I got some errors in a compile and they dont make sense...could  you look at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426106 and let me know what Im overlooking?
[01:10] <kkathman> actually the errors were during the make install
[01:12] <kkathman> crimsun best I can tell its a bad package and they missed files ???
[01:12] <kairu0> hey all
[01:13] <manveru> hey guys, i just wanted to do a upgrade, based on the new backports - and apt-get wants to install a 'conflict package' with the name task-vserver - it wants to remove 28 apps that i think are essential to my system... what is it for?
[01:14] <crimsun> kkathman: sorry, give me a sec
[01:15] <manveru> for example it wants to remove console-common acpi-support or xserver-xorg
[01:16] <crimsun> manveru: you definitely don't want to mess with backports at this stage
[01:17] <manveru> crimsun: fact is, that this package is not from the backports - it is also there when i kick them out of my sources.list
[01:18] <propagandhi> manveru: did you apt-get update after removing from sources.list
[01:18] <os2mac> having a problem with the print manager running correctly?
[01:18] <manveru> propagandhi: of course...
[01:18] <propagandhi> manveru: legitimiate question really
[01:19] <Drakeson> in the dumbest way, how can I enable samba?
[01:19] <kkathman> crimsun: that last pastebin was truncated....heres one with the errors:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426116
[01:19] <manveru> ubotu: tell Drakeson about samba
[01:20] <os2mac> ubotu: tell os2mac about print manager
[01:20] <manveru> ubotu: tell os2mac about cups
[01:20] <crimson> crimsun: i get this same error checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[01:21] <manveru> hmm, bad try :)
[01:21] <Drakeson> manveru: thanks :)
[01:21] <manveru> ubotu: tell crimson about xincludes
[01:22] <manveru> i just can't think of a practical use of this task-vserver, it seems to conflict with stuff from my system to create a kind of x-server-less server (wich might point to the name vserver...)
[01:22] <os2mac> ubotu: tell os2mac about cups
[01:23] <manveru> os2mac: ok, what's your problem :)
[01:25] <os2mac> trying to get print manager to start to configure a remote printer that is attached to a windows xp machine.. but when I try to start the print manager it hangs on init.
[01:25] <manveru> propagandhi: one really odd thing is that google has only 5 entries with task-vserver... and even ubotu doesn't know about it
[01:26] <manveru> os2mac: what print-manager?
[01:26] <propagandhi> manveru: well, when it comes down to it, if you dont know what its gonna do, I personally wouldnt attempt it
[01:27] <manveru> propagandhi: exactly what i'm doing - i can wait, just wanted to do my 2weekly upgrade
[01:28] <propagandhi> manveru: the ubuntu development cycle is pretty fast as it is really, compared to other distros
[01:28] <manveru> propagandhi: you say it :) - but i would say that gentoo is even faster
[01:29] <crimsun> kkathman-dinner: dpkg -l libsdl1.2-dev|grep ^ii
[01:29] <propagandhi> manveru: that might be true, but thats gentoo - an gentoo is far too much effort for such minimal benefits
[01:29] <propagandhi> *and
[01:30] <manveru> propagandhi: yeah... had gentoo for about a year, but with time it becomes really hard to manage and keeping it up2date
[01:30] <propagandhi> manveru: the compile time did it for me
[01:30] <manveru> hehe :) - ever tried to compile OOo?
[01:31] <propagandhi> i mean 2 days to get the system with just enough to do the basic things I need to do
[01:31] <propagandhi> compiling kde was what made me mad
[01:31] <manveru> oh yeah...
[01:31] <propagandhi> and re-compiling and re-compiling to suit changes
[01:31] <propagandhi> and emerge -e system!!! ahhh too much time
[01:31] <manveru> propagandhi: it is definitly for people with too much time or extremly fast hardware
[01:32] <propagandhi> manveru: true, but even with the latest hardware its still too long i feel
[01:32] <manveru> i didn't even notice a significant performance-increase with it...
[01:32] <propagandhi> manveru: no, nothing significant at all
[01:33] <manveru> however, it was nice for some time - get to know your system
[01:33] <propagandhi> manveru: totally agree, it teaches you a lot
[01:33] <manveru> but now i can lean back and enjoy the ease of kubuntu ^^
[01:33] <os2mac> manveru the default print manager in Kubuntu
[01:33] <blindpalmreader> hi I wish to install kubuntu on my system which has winxp on it, there are several xp partitions as ntfs, I formatted one partition to fat32 but i need a swap partition, can i let kubuntu resize during install or will windowsxp not like this when I boot back to winxp?
[01:34] <manveru> os2mac: ok, let me look it up
[01:34] <manveru> os2mac: if you are bored in the meanwhile, look at this:
[01:34] <manveru> ubotu: tell os2mac about printing
[01:35] <manveru> blindpalmreader: i wouldn't trust the ubuntu-partitioning
[01:35] <PJeremy> manveru: why not
[01:36] <manveru> PJeremy: maybe because i had bad experiences with it
[01:36] <PJeremy> manveru: like?
[01:36] <blindpalmreader> manveru what do i need to do then to make the one fat32 partition into a swap and other partition and not let winxp go freaking out because i changed the partition sizes on other areas of the hd or does it not matter
[01:36] <PJeremy> manveru: i don't trust women and i haven't had experiences with em ;)
[01:36] <manveru> PJeremy: like losing all my data :)
[01:37] <manveru> when it comes to partitioning i trust partition-magic...
[01:37] <PJeremy> blindpalmreader: you could use qtparted
[01:37] <manveru> blindpalmreader: exactly that would be a better choice
[01:38] <PJeremy> manveru: partition-magic is apparently not that good with linux partitions..
[01:38] <gdh> pmagic is better with linux partitions than parted is with NTFS, for sure :)
[01:38] <manveru> PJeremy: it did well for me, back in the days when i used win+lin on one HD
[01:39] <manveru> gdh: and their program still fits on two floppies :)
[01:39] <gdh> one floppy :) I made my own...
[01:39] <gdh> and a bootable CD of it
[01:39] <manveru> hehe
[01:39] <manveru> it's like using good old f-prot
[01:40] <gdh> aye, or dr. sol's 'magic bullet' disk
[01:40] <manveru> can't count the times it saved my infected systems...
[01:40] <blindpalmreader> ok it is a fat32 partition in between ntfs partitions. what if i just let kubuntu split that fat32 partition into an ext3 and swap when i boot back to windows will it be ok or will it freak over the partition change?
[01:40] <manveru> blindpalmreader: it will be ok when you only edit fat32 (i won't give guarantees of any kind)
[01:41] <blindpalmreader> manveru thank you i will try
[01:42] <sambagirl> is there any way for the png or jpg files on desktop to be thumb thigns? 
[01:43] <crimson> sorry im a newbie in linux --checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[01:43] <_speed> hello
[01:44] <crimsun> crimson: you need to install qt3-dev-tools and libqt3-mt-dev
[01:45] <_speed> how do I log in with a different desktop environment
[01:46] <pyroxx> hi
[01:47] <pyroxx> i need an help please?
[01:47] <pyroxx> i dont have any sound in my computer
[01:47] <pyroxx> what shall i do?
[01:47] <crimsun> pyroxx: what type of sound card?
[01:47] <gdh> Maybe it knows all your mp3s are rubbish and is refusing to play them :)
[01:48] <pyroxx> i am not really sure
[01:48] <pyroxx> ALSA + OSS
[01:48] <crimsun> pyroxx: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:49] <pyroxx> ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[01:49] <pyroxx>                      Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at 0xf8800400, irq 17
[01:49] <pyroxx> intel
[01:49] <pyroxx> i think
[01:50] <crimsun> pyroxx: is this from a fresh install of 5.10, or did you dist-upgrade from 4.10 or 5.04?
[01:51] <pyroxx> fresh install ubuntu
[01:51] <crimson> crimsun: ...now this...checking for KDE... configure: error:
[01:51] <pyroxx> then i am using kubuntu now
[01:51] <crimson> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[01:51] <crimson> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[01:52] <pyroxx> i dont know how to do
[01:52] <pyroxx> can you explain
[01:52] <crimsun> crimson: install kdebase-dev
[01:52] <propagandhi> crimson: install kdelibs-devel and kdebase-devel and then use --prefix=/usr if necessary
[01:52] <propagandhi> crimsun: sorry, just saw u'd responded
[01:53] <crimsun> pyroxx: please paste the output from ''amixer'' onto http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:54] <pyroxx> what do you mean?
[01:57] <sambagirl> wow i am impresed with kde 
[01:57] <kairu0> me too
[01:57] <sambagirl> i clicked on sound file and noatun came right up and played!
[01:57] <crimsun> pyroxx: open a Konsole and Konqueror
[01:57] <crimsun> pyroxx: in Konsole, type amixer
[01:57] <pyroxx> yes
[01:57] <crimsun> pyroxx: paste all that output onto the Web site http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:57] <sambagirl> konquerer is very neat too
[01:57] <PJeremy> sambagirl: oi, i thought you were impressed because of the pretty colours..you've ruined my picture of girls :(
[01:58] <sambagirl> wow kde has completely changed my ubuntu experience!
[01:59] <sambagirl> haha
[01:59] <sambagirl> i like ubuntus colors 
[01:59] <pyroxx> then
[01:59] <sambagirl> but this is nice too
[01:59] <pyroxx> ?
[01:59] <crimsun> pyroxx: then tell me the url, and I'll look at the debugging output when I have time
[01:59] <pyroxx> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426167
[01:59] <sambagirl> no you dont understood how much difficulty i had with ubuntu to find simple mpeg work right see?
[02:00] <PJeremy> eh, no i don't see. what was so difficult with gnome?
[02:00] <kairu0> kde is much better integrated
[02:00] <kairu0> all the elements work together transparently
[02:01] <kairu0> on gnome i felt like each utility was a little different
[02:01] <sambagirl> well it put this huge thing on my screen and i could not remove it so that was wrong with it. see>?
[02:01] <sambagirl> ?
[02:02] <sambagirl> i dont know it seemied there more things for kde in synamptic then for gnoeme.
[02:02] <sambagirl> brb
[02:02] <pyroxx> ?
[02:02] <gdh> Just not every gnome app starts with 'g' :)
[02:03] <PJeremy> gdh: i'd also think it's due to the repos not needing all the gnome stuff that already comes with ubuntu.
[02:03] <gdh> Does kde not include a lot of stuff as standard? 
[02:04] <PJeremy> well yes..although i removed a lot so i can't remember how much it once was..
[02:05] <gdh> :)
 did you checked
[02:06] <crimsun> pyroxx: I'm kinda busy atm, I'll respond in a bit
[02:06] <pyroxx> ok 
[02:06] <pyroxx> i am waiting
[02:06] <PJeremy> gdh: are you familiar with amarok?
[02:06] <crimsun> pyroxx: your left channel is too low for Master
[02:06] <PJeremy> gdh: or xmms..
[02:07] <crimsun> pyroxx: decrease it to 0, then turn it back up
[02:07] <pyroxx> ?
[02:08] <gdh> PJeremy: I like beep-media-player, so yeh a sanitised xmms
[02:09] <crimson> k3bdevicemanager.cpp:933:32: error: k3bdevicemanager.moc: No such file or directory
what do you mean?
[02:09] <PJeremy> gdh: i have a few mp3s that just won't play..not with gstreamer or xine. amarok says it can't find the file
[02:09] <PJeremy> gdh: but remove duplicates+dead entries doesn't delete them from the playlist.
[02:10] <gdh> I never got on with any of kaffeine/xine/amarok... hence beep/xmms :)
[02:10] <PJeremy> gdh: also, the mp3s play fine in my portable mp3player
[02:10] <PJeremy> gdh: the mp3s don't play in xmms either..
 no idea - poor encoding?
[02:11] <crimson> after this --Good - your configure finished. Start make now
[02:11] <crimson> i get thisk3bdevicemanager.cpp:933:32: error: k3bdevicemanager.moc: No such file or directory
[02:11] <PJeremy> gdh: shouldn't be. although i didn't encode them, i know they have once played and would play in windows :(
[02:12] <gdh> No idea sorry - you could try re-encoding them using lame or somesuch? Or even transcoding to a more sane format like ogg?
i didn t get u?
[02:13] <crimsun> pyroxx: use alsamixer to decrease the volume of Master all the way to 0, then increase it
[02:13] <PJeremy> gdh: mmh, haven't thought of that yet, but will try it tomorrow
[02:13] <gdh> PJeremy: I can only think they're maybe 'wav' files encoded as mp3s... can you do 'hexdump -C filename.mp3 | head -1' and see if the line says something like 'RIFF WAVE' ?
[02:15] <CavalierBob> Greets all!
[02:16] <PJeremy> 00000000  ff fb 90 44 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |...D............|
[02:16] <PJeremy> gdh: 
[02:16] <PJeremy> ^^
[02:16] <PJeremy> that would be the output of one file..
[02:16] <gdh> that's a regular mp3 header for sure...
[02:16] <crimson> k3bdevicemanager.cpp:933:32: error: k3bdevicemanager.moc: No such file or directory
[02:16] <gdh> I've no idea why computer players would reject it
[02:16] <CavalierBob> Is there any word on a bug fix for the GPG problem in KDE 3.4.3 for Kubuntu Hoary?
[02:16] <gdh> crimson: Yes, we heard you the first time. If there's no response, we don't know.
[02:22] <woddf2> Haldo
[02:23] <woddf2> I installed Ubuntu proper then I installed kubuntu-desktop and uninstalled GNOME, but it still uses the Ubuntu usplash!
[02:24] <Lathiat> woddf2: sudo mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`
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[02:27] <pyroxx> thanks
[02:27] <crimsun> pyroxx: works now?
[02:27] <pyroxx> yeap
[02:28] <pyroxx> thanks
[02:28] <pyroxx> can you help me on another thing?
[02:28] <pyroxx> please
[02:28] <crimsun> (don't ask to ask)
[02:28] <pyroxx> thx
[02:30] <woddf2> I hope it works.
[02:30] <woddf2> Oodbyegay
[02:30] <pyroxx> i need a media player for play most things like quicktime real player and windows media player?
[02:30] <PJeremy> !w32codecs
[02:30] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is for w32codecs in Breezy visit http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[02:31] <crimsun> pyroxx: you can try kaffeine, mplayer-586, etc.
[02:31] <crimsun> vlc
[02:31] <PJeremy> ^^ and mplayer, vlc are good players
[02:31] <pyroxx> how can i install them and make them defoult mplayers
[02:31] <pyroxx> ?
[02:31] <pyroxx> default
[02:32] <PJeremy> apt... file association..
[02:32] <pyroxx> can you tell me step by step?
[02:32] <pyroxx> please
[02:33] <PJeremy> well, you type sudo apt-get install mplayer-586  to install mplayer from the repos
[02:34] <pyroxx> E: Couldn't find package mplayer-586
[02:34] <pyroxx> error
[02:35] <PJeremy> uhm, you haven't edited your sources.list have you?
[02:35] <PJeremy> !sources
[02:35] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
 r u asking to me?
[02:36] <PJeremy> yes
[02:36] <pyroxx> i dont know how to do?
[02:36] <PJeremy> open a konsole
[02:36] <pyroxx> yes
[02:36] <PJeremy> type
[02:36] <PJeremy> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:37] <pyroxx> then
[02:37] <PJeremy> then you'll see a file with some lines..
[02:38] <PJeremy> now, go to http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:38] <pyroxx> yes
[02:38] <crimson> crimsun: can you help me with this? k3bdevicemanager.moc
[02:38] <crimson> k3bdevicemanager.cpp:933:32: error: k3bdevicemanager.moc: No such file or directory
[02:39] <PJeremy> pyroxx: there's a box with "2letter code of your country"
[02:39] <crimson> it says 
[02:39] <pyroxx> yes
[02:39] <PJeremy> pyroxx: fill it in
[02:39] <pyroxx> uk
[02:39] <crimsun> pyroxx: don't know off the top of my head
[02:40] <PJeremy> pyroxx: good. now just click on all the other boxes
[02:40] <crimson> after succesful ./configure 
[02:40] <pyroxx> sorry guys i am really new on kubuntu
[02:40] <pyroxx> i use to have different things
[02:40] <pyroxx> u know
[02:41] <pyroxx> then
[02:41] <PJeremy> pyroxx: make sure it says Breezy at the top, then click on "Gimme Source.List yo" on the bottom somewhere
[02:42] <pyroxx> do i have to click breezy for each box
[02:42] <pyroxx> ?
[02:42] <PJeremy> pyroxx: no, just at the top where you can select which distro it is. right above country code. just mark all the other boxes
[02:43] <pyroxx> i marked evey box is that ok
[02:43] <blank> how can i make amorok play mp3
[02:43] <PJeremy> pyroxx: yes
[02:43] <pyroxx> then
[02:44] <PJeremy> blank: install xine or gstreamer with the plugins..
[02:44] <PJeremy> pyroxx: then go back to the konsole where you have your sources.list opened
[02:45] <pyroxx> yeap
[02:45] <PJeremy> pyroxx: delete all lines
[02:46] <PJeremy> pyroxx: once you're done, copy the list from the site we were just at, go to the console, right click and paste
[02:46] <pyroxx> how can i delete them
[02:48] <PJeremy> pyroxx: with the DEL key on your keyboard...
[02:49] <PJeremy> pyroxx: when you've pasted the list into the file, go to http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[02:49] <PJeremy> pyroxx: copy the two lines at the top which start with "deb" and add them to the list at the bottom
[02:50] <crimson> help    http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426210
[02:50] <PJeremy> pyroxx: then hit CTRL+O (to save it) and CTRL+X (to exit nano)
[02:51] <PJeremy> pyroxx: then go to http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[02:51] <LjL> crimson: hold on
[02:52] <PJeremy> pyroxx: at the top you'll see 2 lines which start with "gpg". copy them and enter them in the konsole and hit return (one line after the other)
[02:53] <LjL> crimson: aptitude install k3blibs-dev
[02:53] <PJeremy> pyroxx: it should say something like added key ..don't remember what exactly it says
[02:53] <PJeremy> pyroxx: finally, run sudo apt-get update
[02:54] <PJeremy> pyroxx: then you're ready to install a lot of things from the repositories.
[02:54] <crimson> LjL: already installed
[02:54] <PJeremy> pyroxx: like mplayer and w32codecs for example
[02:55] <LjL> crimson: can you point me to the source archive you're trying to compile?
[02:55] <crimson>  k9copy
[02:56] <LjL> yep, but what's the URL you downloaded if from, so that i don't risk getting a different version or somesuch?
[02:57] <crimson> LjL: http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/k9copy-Download-6088.html
[02:58] <LjL> hold on, i'll try compiling
[02:58] <crimson> 1.0.1b
[02:58] <crimson> ok
[02:59] <LjL> erm, hold on some more, my HD is full =)
E: Malformed line 37 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[03:02] <pyroxx> gave me that errer
[03:02] <pyroxx> error
[03:02] <PJeremy> pyroxx: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:02] <LjL> pyroxx: please past your /etc/apt/sources.list in the pastebin
[03:03] <LjL> pastE
[03:03] <PJeremy> pyroxx: ctrl+a, ctrl+c, pastebin.com, ctrl+v, send, copy the link then and paste it here
[03:04] <crimson> LjL: im going to dinner, please send me your results in a private msg
[03:04] <LjL> crimson: ok. i'm compiling right now anyway, solved the low disk space problem
[03:04] <crimson> ok
[03:04] <PJeremy> pyroxx: eh, ctrl+a/c won't work in nano (i forgot).. you'll have to mark everything with your mouse and copy it..
[03:05] <pyroxx> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426223
[03:06] <PJeremy> pyroxx: that's not everything..
[03:06] <gdh> that's not the whole file if you're getting an error on line 36.. only 20 lines are shown
[03:06] <gdh> :)
[03:06] <gdh> edit it just with kedit / kate ..
[03:06] <pyroxx> what do you mean
[03:07] <pyroxx> ?
[03:07] <gdh> if you need to , browse to /etc/apt, then right click on actions then select 'edit as root'
[03:07] <PJeremy> gdh: didn't kate have problems saving files as sudo?
[03:07] <gdh> then type your login password if asked
[03:07] <PJeremy> gdh: i do remember it having probs in hoary..
[03:07] <gdh> PJeremy: not that I've noticed..
[03:08] <LjL> pyroxx: instead of editing with nano, edit with kate, and paste *all* of the file (you can ctrl+a to select all)
[03:09] <PJeremy> i figured nano would be as simple as possible :(
[03:10] <pyroxx> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426225
[03:10] <LjL> PJeremy: not for copying and pasting ;)
[03:10] <PJeremy> didn't think of kate, only of vi/vim..
[03:10] <gdh> there we go, you have an errant space at the start of line 40
[03:10] <LjL> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/
[03:10] <LjL> i think this line is wrong
[03:11] <gdh> and yeh no distribution name on the OOo2 line
[03:11] <gdh> was there maybe meant to be a single "." at the end of that?
[03:12] <pyroxx> ?
[03:12] <LjL> gdh: yeah, i think so, looking at the site
[03:12] <PJeremy> well if the OOo2 line is wrong, then it's because  of source-o-matic 
[03:12] <gdh> pyroxx: So this is the wonderful world of linux- having fun? :)
[03:13] <pyroxx> yeap
[03:13] <pyroxx> but
[03:13] <gdh> :))
[03:13] <pyroxx> i am so new
[03:13] <pyroxx> yoe see
[03:13] <pyroxx> you see
[03:13] <LjL> pyroxx: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426231 <--- try with this file
[03:14] <PJeremy> LjL:  why that dot at the end? mmh.. source-o-matic didn't put it there.. just checked..
[03:15] <LjL> PJeremy: oh well, i think it will do no harm anyway
[03:15] <pyroxx> LjL what i have to do with this file?
[03:16] <LjL> pyroxx: use it instead of your original sources.list
[03:16] <gdh> I've never heard of 'source-o-matic' before, but it sounds like a fast-track to untested and unsupported packages leading to 'weird stuff' :/
[03:16] <LjL> pyroxx: hopefully, i've corrected it so that it will work
[03:16] <pyroxx> copy paste is it?
[03:16] <PJeremy> just save it and run apt-get update again and hopefully no error this time
[03:16] <PJeremy> gdh:
[03:16] <PJeremy> !sources
[03:16] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:16] <PJeremy> there ^^
[03:16] <LjL> gdh: hmm source-o-matic is simply a web page helping inexperienced people to create a sources.list automatically
[03:16] <gdh> Ah interesting.. 
[03:19] <pyroxx> Malformed line 38 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[03:19] <pyroxx> this error comes
[03:19] <LjL> ok, i'll test it this time ;)
[03:19] <LjL> hold on
[03:20] <PJeremy> pyroxx: delete the OOo2 line
[03:20] <PJeremy> pyroxx: it's apparently not ready yet..
[03:21] <PJeremy> or just put a # in front of it
[03:21] <LjL> yeah, do that
[03:21] <LjL> i don't really know what the correct syntax for it is supposed to be
[03:21] <LjL> but just remove it
[03:22] <gdh> the phrase 'walk before you can run' comes to mind.
[03:22] <PJeremy> LjL: dont know either.. i thought source-o-matic would be a nice introduction to a newbie..heh..guess i was wrong..
[03:23] <LjL> ;)
[03:24] <pyroxx> lok=ok like its working guys
[03:24] <pyroxx> look like
[03:24] <pyroxx> thanks everybody
[03:24] <PJeremy> you're welcome
[03:24] <gdh> the invoice is in the post :)
[03:24] <PJeremy> and i'm greedy ;)
[03:25] <pyroxx> do i have to reboot my computer each time iif i install program?
[03:25] <PJeremy> pyroxx: no
[03:25] <PJeremy> pyroxx: just for the kernel..
[03:25] <gdh> pyroxx: no, you only ever need to reboot if you change your kernel
[03:25] <PJeremy> pyroxx: this isn't windows ;)
[03:25] <LjL> reboot for installing programs? ahah no, fortuntately not! :o)
[03:26] <pyroxx> thats really fun guys
[03:26] <pyroxx> no rebooting pc
[03:26] <PJeremy> unfortunately actually..i'll never get to see the grub splash now :(
[03:27] <LjL> well, if you start using software suspend (hibernation), you'll *really* never see linux booting :)
[03:27] <LjL> though you will see grub
[03:28] <PJeremy> pyroxx: just make sure you don't delete vmlinuz before you reboot ;)
[03:29] <pupil> I used ndiswrapper to detect my wireless card, I set up the card properly, but now I need to make the configuration permanent,. how do I do this?
[03:29] <pupil> I have a wireless connection
[03:33] <pupil> '/usr/bin/
[03:36] <pyroxx> how can i make kaffeine mplayer my default player?
[03:37] <PJeremy> right click on some video file and there you can choose which one is supposed to open it first..
[03:38] <pyroxx> how about plug ins for kaffeine
[03:38] <PJeremy> i don't use kaffeine, so no idea.
[03:38] <pyroxx> what do you use
[03:39] <pyroxx> ?
[03:39] <PJeremy> check apt what it has to offer for kaffeine with apt-cache search kaffeine..... i use vlc 
[03:43] <pyroxx> how can i get vlc player and plug ins?
[03:43] <crimsun> !info vlc
[03:43] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 5817 kB, Installed size: 13740 kB
[03:45] <pyroxx> !info vlc
[03:45] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 5817 kB, Installed size: 13740 kB
[03:46] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[03:46] <kkathman> allo all
[03:46] <PJeremy> pyroxx: you'll have to type sudo apt-get install vlc 
[03:47] <PJeremy> pyroxx: you may also use the graphical frontend to apt which is adept in Breezy...you'll find it in the K-Menu->System
[03:48] <pyroxx> how about plugins
[03:48] <gdh> vlc is self-contained
[03:48] <gdh> it does not use .dll 'plugins' for windows media etc.
[03:49] <pyroxx> so
[03:49] <gdh> if it doesn't play it natively, it doesn't play it, full stop.
[03:49] <gdh> vlc plays a /lot/ of formats
[03:49] <PJeremy> gdh: well, there are plugins for vlc...
[03:49] <pyroxx> like?
[03:49] <gdh> there are?
[03:49] <gdh> ah well, ignore me then
[03:50] <PJeremy> gdh: yea. but they're not really that importan
[03:50] <PJeremy> t
[03:50] <gdh> I know ther's a mozilla plugin - but that's a plugin /for/ mozilla not for vlc
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> does anyone know how to disable the automatic spell check?
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> globally, i mean
[03:50] <PJeremy> gdh: for example, ggi video output plugin...
[03:50] <gdh> ah yeh, pretty irrelevant.
[03:50] <PJeremy> gdh: but who knows what ggi is and who uses it anyway ;)
[03:51] <gdh> glorified svgalib. very 1995.
[03:51] <PJeremy> pyroxx: it might be best to use adept, there you can search easily and see what's available. pretty easy to use.
[03:52] <PJeremy> gdh: do you use mplayer?
[03:52] <gdh> I use mplayer and vlc, mostly.
[03:52] <gdh> all the kde and gnome 'media players' suck to a greater or lesser degree.
[03:52] <PJeremy> gdh: does mplayer crash for you when you try to watch a dvd with it? and does vlc play wmv for you?
[03:52] <KaoticEvil> i just installed the w32codecs and use mplayer of gxine
[03:53] <gdh> I don't own any DVDs.
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> mplayer plays WMV for me :)
[03:53] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: for me too, but vlc doesn't.. vlc however plays dvds, which mplayer doesnt
[03:53] <gdh> although totem does play streaming wmv embedded in webpages Ok :)
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> PJeremy:  really?
[03:53] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: yes
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> gxine should play a DVD...
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> i need to find a good shout/icecast plugin for xmms.
[03:54] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: crashes with some error, couldn't be bothered with it since i prefer vlc anyway
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> heh PJeremy 
[03:55] <crimson> LjL: im back
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> altho, i really do more audio playing than video...
icouldnt find adept
[03:55] <sambagirl> test
[03:55] <PJeremy> pyroxx: on the left side you see that big K?
[03:55] <pyroxx> yes
[03:55] <PJeremy> pyroxx: blue and shiny..
[03:55] <LjL> crimson: well, except for what i've told you in query, i don't really know... it just compiles here
[03:55] <pyroxx> yes blue and shiney
[03:55] <PJeremy> pyroxx: click on it, go to System, and there Package Manager(adept)
[03:56] <pyroxx> yeap
[03:56] <PJeremy> pyroxx: that's it, you found it.
[03:56] <crimson> ljl: it runs fine??
[03:57] <pyroxx> ok 
[03:57] <KaoticEvil> can i install Gnome on kubuntu? and if so, how would i access it?
[03:57] <LjL> crimson: well, it starts up without crashing
[03:57] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: yes, via kdm or gdm.
[03:57] <LjL> KaoticEvil: aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[03:57] <pyroxx> but most of them not installed
[03:57] <crimson> mmm rare rae
[03:57] <KaoticEvil> aptitude... that a front-end for apt-get?
[03:57] <PJeremy> pyroxx: well, there are about 17000 packages...
[03:58] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: yes
[03:58] <LjL> KaoticEvil: quite a bit more than a fronted
[03:58] <crimson> LjL: im using kubuntu
[03:58] <KaoticEvil> oh? is it GUI or CLI?
[03:58] <LjL> crimson: you do have libdvdread3-dev installed?
[03:58] <crimson> yes
[03:58] <LjL> KaoticEvil: CLI, with a ncurses interface
[03:58] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: eh cli gui..
[03:58] <KaoticEvil> nice
[03:58] <LjL> KaoticEvil: its main advantage for me is that it remembers automatically installed dependencies
[03:59] <LjL> KaoticEvil: if for example (like in your case) you want to install gnome, you'll install "ubuntu-desktop"
[03:59] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  apt-get and adept dont?
[03:59] <LjL> KaoticEvil: when (and if) you ever want to remove it, you can just do "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop", and it'll remove all the dependencies
[03:59] <LjL> KaoticEvil: with apt-get, it won't remove anything
[03:59] <LjL> KaoticEvil: of course, this holds for every package that has dependencies, not just for ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok.. thats sweet then
[04:00] <KaoticEvil> pimpage :>
[04:00] <crimson> LjL: when you put make cmd what appear in your console?
[04:00] <LjL> KaoticEvil: apt-get certainly doesn't. i really don't think adept does. on the other hand, i've heard that recent versions of synaptic might do it, tho i've not tried
[04:00] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: not yet...
[04:00] <KaoticEvil> i may have to try out aptitude
[04:00] <LjL> crimson: uh, a lot of stuff, want me to paste it all in the pastebin?
[04:00] <crimson> ok
[04:00] <KaoticEvil> does anyone know how to globally disable the auto spell checking? 
[04:01] <pyroxx> thanks guys i am going now
[04:01] <KaoticEvil> ive looked thru allt he options in KControl.. and i cant find it
[04:01] <pyroxx> see you tomorrow
[04:01] <PJeremy> night..sleepy time
[04:02] <gdh> KaoticEvil: uninstall aspell? 
[04:02] <gdh> or any package with 'spell' in the name? :)
[04:02] <KaoticEvil> lol
[04:02] <LjL> crimson: hmm it's too long, it's already gone out of my shell's history... but, really, all it does it compile files, give some (a lot of) warnings, and terminate with a binary executable in src/
[04:02] <crimson> ljl: did you unzipped in a special dir?
[04:02] <sambagirl> what does trolling mean?
[04:03] <KaoticEvil> sambagirl:  sitting in a room, and cause trouble
[04:03] <gdh> sambagirl: trolling is when you're saying something inflammatory purely to evoke a reaction
[04:03] <sambagirl> ahh
[04:03] <sambagirl> ok
[04:03] <sambagirl> thank you
[04:03] <KaoticEvil> like, in here, if you were to say "windows kicks linux's ass" that would be trolling :P
[04:03] <LjL> crimson: no, what i did was precisely this: 1) wget http://download.softpedia.ro/linux/k9copy-1.0.1.tar.gz     2) cd k9copy-1.0.1b   3) ./configure    4) make
[04:04] <LjL> crimson: except for having to "aptitude install libdvdread3-dev"
[04:04] <sambagirl> ahh i see
[04:04] <spike591> un francophone dans l'assemble?
[04:04] <KaoticEvil> its really assanine, and childish to do
[04:04] <LjL> !fr
[04:04] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[04:04] <spike591> merci ubotu
[04:05] <LjL> spike591: ubotu est un bot ;)
[04:05] <spike591> oops
[04:05] <spike591> ok merci
[04:05] <KaoticEvil> lol
[04:05] <LjL> :)
[04:07] <gdh> je suis une magnetophone, je n'ais pas des pantalons....
[04:07] <gdh> haha :)
[04:07] <LjL> ah-uhm?
[04:07] <gdh> yes, "I am a tape recorder, I have no trousers" :)
[04:07] <gdh> I didn't claim to make sense
[04:09] <LjL> oh ok, that's what left me confused ;)
[04:10] <LjL> are you sure magnetophone is feminine anyway? it's masculine in italian :P
[04:10] <gdh> Isn't everything in italian tho?
[04:10] <LjL> uh... no
[04:10] <gdh> bloody chauvinists  :)
[04:10] <LjL> :P
[04:11] <gdh> hehehe
[04:11] <LjL> actually, when i see people writing joke-italian, they make all words end in "a"
[04:11] <LjL> that would mean everything is feminine :)
[04:11] <gdh> like pizza? :)
[04:12] <gdh> yumyum I'd happily eat that
[04:12] <crimson> ljl: i think its working
[04:12] <gdh> Sorry, am being horribly predictable :)
[04:12] <LjL> that one's correct :P but, dunno, i remember an episode of Bugs Bunny (or something like that) when they were in Venice and there was "attention: lowela bridgeda" or something similar on a bridge
[04:12] <crimson> after "make" is making...
[04:12] <Doctor_Nick> hey gang
[04:13] <Doctor_Nick> how about all that stuff other than linux
[04:13] <LjL> crimson: just cross your fingers :P
[04:13] <kkathman> man I think the people that package gambas must just be idiots...none of their packages are complete!
[04:13] <crimson> LjL: di you put "make install"??
[04:14] <Doctor_Nick> has anyone come up with a less kludgey method of enabling dmix in ALSA?
[04:14] <LjL> crimson: no, i didn't, but you should find the executable in src/k9copy even without making install anyway
[04:15] <crimson> ljl: ok cuase it put on me another error with makeinstall
[04:15] <LjL> crimson: did you use "sudo make install"?
[04:15] <richard> Anyone have problems with wifi network connections? I can't get mine to work and there are problems with the screen locking up stopping me from enabling settings. . . .
[04:15] <KaoticEvil> oh yeah
[04:15] <KaoticEvil> aptitude is so much faster than adept :)
[04:16] <LjL> KaoticEvil: i don't really care for graphical interfaces to APT, except for some times when i need to browse through packages
[04:16] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  thats what im doing ;)
[04:16] <LjL> KaoticEvil: i always found aptitude from the command line just fine
[04:16] <LjL> KaoticEvil: well, even in that case, though, a good cobination of apt-cache and grep can always help :)
[04:16] <KaoticEvil> im trying to get rid that (*%*$# spell check
[04:17] <LjL> KaoticEvil: what spell checker? i haven't followed
[04:17] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  the Auto spell checker that kopete and konqi seem to insist on using.
[04:17] <KaoticEvil> ive searched high and low thru KCOntrol
[04:17] <KaoticEvil> and i *cannot* find a way to disable it globally and forever
[04:18] <LjL> KaoticEvil: it should be aspell
[04:18] <gdh> removing aspell would do it...
[04:18] <LjL> KaoticEvil: at least, my konqueror is using aspell
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> i dont like it, i dont want it, and i dont NEED it.
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> gdh:  i removed aspell already..
[04:18] <gdh> Aye, I kan speel kthx 0l0l0l1l11!111111 (etc.)
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> lol
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> no, it just slows me down
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> and my system is slow enuf already :P
[04:18] <gdh> yes, lines of red tildes are annoying :)
[04:19] <LjL> yaeah i right perfectlee aven withowt ane stoopid spaltchecker
[04:19] <KaoticEvil> i *do* type very accurately without the aid of a spell checker..
[04:19] <LjL> KaoticEvil: what does "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep aspell" show?
[04:19] <KaoticEvil> and it annoys the piss out of me.
[04:19] <Doctor_Nick> It says here that dmix is enabled automatically in ALSA 1.0.9 for cards that dont support soundware mixing, but I still get problems with applications usurping the soundcard
[04:19] <man_in_work> well this sucks
[04:20] <gdh> man_in_work: Well get back to work then; you aren't paid to chat on IRC :)
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> shos 2 lib files that it.. aspell it self is removed.. do i need to remove the libs as well?
[04:20] <gdh> and if you are, is your company hiring?
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> shows*
[04:20] <man_in_work> yay for monospace
[04:21] <gdh> charming :)
[04:21] <KaoticEvil> no joke
[04:21] <KaoticEvil> gdh:  thats not love... thats.. ewwwwwwwww!
[04:21] <LjL> KaoticEvil: try... that is, unless they ask you to remove a ton of other (dependent) packages
[04:21] <KaoticEvil> well, i guess you COULD call it "love".. of a sort :P
[04:21] <KaoticEvil> ok
[04:21] <crimson> LjL: no it wont
[04:21] <man_in_work> gdh: for one it's a volunteer organisation
[04:22] <KaoticEvil> holy shit!
[04:22] <LjL> crimson: won't what, make install?
[04:22] <gdh> man_in_work: Ah, fair enough :)
[04:22] <LjL> KaoticEvil: ?
[04:22] <KaoticEvil> libaspell15 requires removal of 125 packages :O
[04:22] <crimson> yes
[04:22] <LjL> well don't remove it then :)
[04:22] <gdh> LOL
[04:22] <KaoticEvil> no kidding! lol
[04:22] <LjL> but, the dictionaries are all removed?
[04:23] <LjL> and what is the other library that's installed?
[04:23] <man_in_work> only reason i'm on kubuntu live right now is i'm trying to test scanners and i don't have root access on this machine normally
[04:23] <gdh> or just add all the words and proper nouns you would ever use to a custom dict. ? :D
[04:23] <KaoticEvil> "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep aspell" reveals only libaspell15 and libaspell15c2
[04:23] <LjL> KaoticEvil: hmm try removing the "c2" one at least, as i don't have it installed..
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> nah.. that gets rid of pan :P
[04:24] <gdh> anywya, time for bed. nna :)
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> cant have that ;)
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> later gdh 
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> drank too much coke.. urgh
[04:24] <man_in_work> is there anything special i have to do to get parport scanners working in kubuntu?
[04:25] <LjL> KaoticEvil: i think i have a quick fix, at least for konqueror
[04:25] <LjL> man_in_work: pray some god, i think
[04:25] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  that would be fine
[04:25] <man_in_work> well this scanner is SUPPOSED to work
[04:25] <LjL> KaoticEvil: just select "HSpell" instead of "ASpell" as a spelling checker
[04:25] <KaoticEvil> its not so bad in kopete
[04:25] <LjL> KaoticEvil: on my system, that seems to stop it from trying to correct me
[04:26] <KaoticEvil> thing is.. i dont ahve aspell installed :P
[04:27] <man_in_work> i've uncommented the parport stuff in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf
[04:27] <KaoticEvil> have*
[04:27] <LjL> KaoticEvil: yeah, i've understood that, and i don't have a clue... but still, selecting hspell does stop it from making mispelled words red over here!
[04:27] <KaoticEvil> i can deal with the red...
[04:28] <KaoticEvil> its the fact that it slows me down, because it checks my works against a dictionary
[04:28] <LjL> KaoticEvil: also, try the dpkg -l thing but only seach for "spell", not "aspell"... here, i also have a "myspell" installed
[04:28] <man_in_work> and now kooka won't run :|
[04:28] <man_in_work> oh there we go
[04:28] <KaoticEvil> ive only got a 400MHz celeron with 128MB of RAM...
[04:28] <man_in_work> it was just taking a long time
[04:28] <man_in_work> this is crap
[04:29] <man_in_work> give me xsane any time. at least that tells you when no scanners are found
[04:29] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  i dont "spell" installed
[04:30] <KaoticEvil> as long as ive got the KDE libraries installed, i can run K apps with an DE, right?
[04:30] <man_in_work> KaoticEvil: yes
[04:31] <crimson> make: *** [kcddrive.o]  Error 1 put on me these
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> ok... i may just download ubuntu, and go with Gnome...
[04:31] <man_in_work> as long as you have the libs, you can run the apps in any X environment
[04:31] <man_in_work> :
[04:31] <man_in_work> :)
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> its probably faster... less eye-candy
[04:31] <man_in_work> it certainly used to be
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> how about now?
[04:31] <man_in_work> i don't know any more. i use xfce4 at home
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> doh
[04:32] <man_in_work> it probably is. you can always try
[04:32] <LjL> KaoticEvil: my opinion is "no"
[04:32] <KaoticEvil> well, ive always used K... except when i was playing with vector linux.. then i used icerox
[04:32] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  no?
[04:32] <LjL> KaoticEvil: with the KDE libraries loaded, i think you'll have most of KDE loaded anyway... *and* you'll have Gnome loaded as well, which isn't exactly lightweight either
[04:32] <KaoticEvil> eh... true
[04:33] <KaoticEvil> im just talking about the UI area tho
[04:33] <LjL> KaoticEvil: myself, i use KDE and try to *only* use KDE apps. if i were using Gnome, i would do the same and try to restrict my choice to Gnome apps
[04:33] <kkathman> its ok as long as  you have the space
[04:33] <crimson> LjL: do think if you send me the files i need it work??
[04:33] <LjL> KaoticEvil: what UI area? if you're going to use KDE apps, the UI will still be KDE...
[04:33] <KaoticEvil> eh.. thats true...
[04:33] <KaoticEvil> i need to build me a new box :(
[04:33] <LjL> crimson: i can send you the executable... at least, i can try, since i'm not sure i can send DCCs from my provider
[04:33] <man_in_work> i still use xfce4 at home
[04:33] <man_in_work> even with the few kde apps i run
[04:33] <kkathman> but you can run gnome apps under KDE if you have the gnome backbvone
[04:33] <man_in_work> it just takes them longer to load
[04:33] <kkathman> backbone that is
[04:34] <LjL> KaoticEvil: i've been with a 300mhz K6 till few months ago. but, really, nowadays you can get a decent sempron system for very little
[04:34] <crimson> kcddrive.o i suppose if i put this work
[04:34] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  i know.. i build my own systems ;) but ive got no $
[04:34] <LjL> crimson: but, you have compiled it succesfully now, or haven't you?
[04:35] <crimson> the exe would work 
[04:35] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  if i had more RAM, i would have so many problems.
[04:35] <LjL> KaoticEvil: well, what i spent for this thing i'm using right now was... 180, iirc
[04:35] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  i can build myself a decent system for about $900 or so
[04:35] <KaoticEvil> that includes a 17" monitor
[04:35] <crimson> make: *** [kcddrive.o]  Error 1 i get these when put "make"
[04:36] <LjL> KaoticEvil: well, i just bought a mobo, a cpu, 512mb of ram, and nothing else. the rest i recycled (i already have a good monitor and one or two 10/20gb HDs)
[04:36] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  well, i want a whole new system...
[04:36] <LjL> crimson: let me try to send you the whole thing
[04:36] <KaoticEvil> this is a 15" monitor, and its killing me...
[04:36] <crimson> ljl:please look at your files to see if you have it
[04:36] <LjL> KaoticEvil: bah 15'' ain't that bad
[04:37] <LjL> crimson: i do
[04:37] <KaoticEvil> for me it is... i need LOTS of desktop area
[04:37] <KaoticEvil> im still used to my dual monitor setup :)
[04:37] <KaoticEvil> i currently have 13 windows open :P
[04:38] <KaoticEvil> and im using 6 virtual desktops lol
[04:38] <LjL> well in any case, there are 17''s at 100 around. but anyway, if the main concern now is speed, why not just get a new cpu, mobo and some ram? that won't prevent buying a better monitor when you've got more money
[04:38] <LjL> KaoticEvil: well, i'm sorry, but you sound like a terminal case ;-P
[04:38] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  i knew that..
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> LOL LjL.. i am
[04:40] <LjL> crimson: i'm trying to DCC you, are you getting anything?
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> for a new box, ill need pretty much everything but the monitor, keyboard and mouse tho
[04:40] <crimson> no it says failed
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> ive only got a 20GB drive.
[04:40] <LjL> crimson: guessed so. hold on, i can upload to a website
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> for everything that i do, thats no where near enuf for long
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> especially if i get back into coding
[04:40] <LjL> coding? i code on my 300mhz debian :)
[04:40] <kkathman> I built my Sempron for about $300...everything brand new..case, mobo, Sempron 2500+, 120 GB drive, CDROM, 1 GB memory and other stuff
[04:40] <LjL> kkathman: well, i wouldn't manage to get such a thing with so little money in italy
[04:41] <kkathman> ohh maybe so ljl
[04:41] <LjL> tech stuff definitely costs a lot more in italy than in the US (or even most of europe, i'm afraid)
[04:42] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  what language tho?
[04:42] <kkathman> drives are cheap here now
[04:42] <LjL> i mean, just the ink cartridges that epson italy sells for 11 are 8$ in the US
[04:42] <LjL> KaoticEvil: C
[04:42] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  see, im a FreePascal coder :)
[04:42] <LjL> what the heck is that :P
[04:43] <kkathman> a 40gb drive is like $20...100gb can be gotten for $50-60
[04:43] <KaoticEvil> took me 3 days to get Lazarus installed..
[04:43] <LjL> kkathman: let me look for a comparison
[04:43] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  open source Delphi clone ;)
[04:44] <KaoticEvil> and its bloody huge.
[04:44] <KaoticEvil> altho alien worked very well on the RPMs :)
[04:46] <LjL> crimson: hmm the stuff is too big to upload, my site won't let me
[04:46] <LjL> crimson: i'll upload the .o file, but i doubt that will be enough
[04:47] <crimson> ljl: when i click on k9copy.desktop it says "Could not find 'k9copy' executable.
[04:47] <LjL> crimson: make didn't complete succesfully, i'm afraid
[04:47] <crimson> oh ok
[04:47] <LjL> crimson: http://ljl.741.com/kcddrive.o   for what it's worth
[04:48] <LjL> could you give me an email address that accepts a ~5Mb file?
[04:49] <crimson> to this gentlegiantshulman@hotmail.com
[04:53] <LjL> crimson: you'
[04:53] <sambagirl> is there a windows versoin of kontact?
[04:53] <LjL> crimson: you've got mail
[04:54] <LjL> sambagirl: hardly
[04:54] <LjL> crimson: (i think)
[04:54] <crimson> ljl: let me se
[04:55] <sambagirl> well it says configure of groupware
[04:55] <sambagirl> i thought was connector somehow
[04:56] <crimson> ljl: yes "make" work as i expect but now require this file!!! kdvdauthor.o
[04:56] <LjL> i dunno, but KDE doesn't even run on windows (or maybe it does now with cygwin, but surely not usably), kontact surely doesn't run on windows
[04:56] <KaoticEvil> oh, great
[04:56] <LjL> crimson: you should have everything compiled and ready to run or to "make install" in the stuff i sent you
[04:56] <crimson> ljl: kubuntu requires to reboot??
[04:56] <KaoticEvil> went thru all the hassle of installing Lazarus, and it doesnt work.
[04:56] <LjL> crimson: what i sent you is my entire k9copy directory, compiled
[04:57] <LjL> crimson: the only time you need to reboot is when you crash or you upgrade the kernel, at least in theory
[04:57] <crimson> ok
[04:57] <KaoticEvil> speaking of.. whats the latest version of the kernel?
[04:58] <LjL> www.kernel.org
[04:58] <Riddell> ** testers wanted **  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[04:58] <kkathman> LjL: what do you think the chances of me getting a binary to work thats in a Debian repo?
[04:58] <LjL> Riddell: am going to bed now, but will remember to install it tomorrow
[04:58] <LjL> kkathman: not many, i'm afraid
[04:59] <kkathman> thought so.. dang it
[04:59] <kkathman> arrrgh
[04:59] <LjL> kkathman: you could have better luck with a *source* package
[04:59] <kkathman> the new gambas looks so good... but the source is bad
[04:59] <kkathman> missing files
[04:59] <kkathman> and ubuntu is like 10 releases behind in the repos
[04:59] <LjL> kkathman: if there is a debian deb for it, then the source they used to compile it is the source debian package with the same name
[04:59] <crimson> ljl: no i dont got anything on email
[04:59] <LjL> so in theory you *can* get that
[05:00] <LjL> and it should work
[05:00] <kkathman> its not a deb
[05:00] <kkathman> they want you to add their repo, do an apt-get install
[05:00] <LjL> crimson: it shows as sent here...
[05:00] <kkathman> Im pretty sure it wont fly in ubuntu
[05:01] <KaoticEvil> oooooooo
[05:01] <KaoticEvil> theyve got KDE 3.5 in the repos now? :)
[05:01] <kkathman> but I DO wish ubuntu would get a more recent version in the repos :)
[05:01] <kkathman> no excuse for being 10 versions behind!
[05:01] <LjL> guys, i'm really going to bed not, it's 5 oclock... crimson, hope the file will arrive, i'm sorry i can't stay anymore, but i need to wake up sometime tomorrow ;-)
[05:02] <LjL> nightey
[05:02] <kkathman> night/ er / morning to you LFLJL
[05:02] <kkathman> LJL
[05:02] <KaoticEvil> later LjL 
[05:02] <LjL> =)
[05:02] <crimson> ok bye good nite
[05:02] <crimson> finally arrived
[05:06] <KaoticEvil> *goes off to install KDE3.5rc1
[05:07] <kkathman> well Im going to try the 1.0.13 version source package and see if that works
[05:09] <KaoticEvil> oh, i hope is works.. LOL
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: where do you see that?
[05:09] <kkathman> hey LeeJunFan  :)
[05:10] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan:  Riddell ** testers wanted **  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> hey.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> cool.
[05:10] <KaoticEvil> yeah.. thats what i said :)
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I'll wait till yout tell me what's broke :D I had enough fun with the beta2.
[05:12] <KaoticEvil> lol
[05:12] <KaoticEvil> im working on it now... as soon as i find the pacakge..
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> Call me old fashioned but I like sound and e-mail clients that work.
[05:13] <Riddell> LjL: e-mail broke?
[05:13] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: e-mail broke?
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: in beta2, imap problems.
[05:14] <KaoticEvil> sound is broken? :O
[05:14] <kkathman> lol LeeJunFan  :)
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: no, in beta2 it was.
[05:14] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[05:14] <Riddell> arts should be fixed in rc1
[05:14] <KaoticEvil> ok :)
[05:15] <KaoticEvil> all i should need to apt-get is kdebase then, yeah?
[05:15] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: and arts and kdelibs
[05:15] <KaoticEvil> ok
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> can't just do apt-get upgrade?
[05:16] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[05:16] <Riddell> or that
[05:16] <KaoticEvil> didnt think about that ;)
[05:16] <KaoticEvil> im still getting used to it being that easy to get upgrades :P
[05:17] <man_in_work> fucking konqueror
[05:17] <man_in_work> konqueror == windows explorer + internet explorer for linux
[05:17] <man_in_work> only slightly better
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, apt is nice. I remember my first experience with it with Debian though. Totally fubared my system on 4 installs. I was on the mail lists and even had Ian trying to figure out why I was having such a bad time upgrading. hehe
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> hello to you too :)
[05:18] <KaoticEvil> lol
[05:18] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: my biggest prob with Ubuntu so far, is that they have good packages, which is a good thing (much better than other distros), but they are consistently many revisions (or subdivisions/releases) behind which is irritating
[05:19] <kkathman> but when you DO get a package from the repos...it works :)
[05:19] <Riddell> kkathman: got examples?
[05:19] <kkathman> yes gambas
[05:19] <kkathman> 10 releases behind
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: well who uses that anyway? :)
[05:19] <Riddell> adds
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: I don't even know what it is.
[05:19] <kkathman> well obviously not too many cuz its quite old
[05:19] <kkathman> its like VB
[05:20] <kkathman> but unfortunately, the gambas people put out bad source packages too :(
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: probably why there's not updated debs, no one can compile it. hehe
[05:20] <kkathman> so that makes it worse...they only release binaries on Fedora, Linex, Debian, SuSE
[05:21] <kkathman> no, binaries are available as I said, just not for Ubuntu
[05:21] <kkathman> Hence my question to you earlier
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> damn fedora, everyone releases binaries for it, only noobs use it.
[05:21] <kkathman> gbc: ERROR: Cannot open file: /opt/gambas/share/gambas/info/gb.sdl.list
[05:22] <kkathman> I keep getting this:  
[05:22] <kkathman> and about 3 others like it...so I figure they forgot files, which is bad also
[05:22] <kkathman> arggh :)
[05:22] <kkathman> hehe
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: or they just got the paths wrong.
[05:22] <kkathman> yah could be that also
[05:23] <kkathman> but in any case...bad packaging 
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: maybe if you can find the file elsewhere , like /usr/share/gambas or something you could either make a symlink or copy them to where it's looking.
[05:23] <KaoticEvil> Riddell:  have you uploaded your gpg keys to a keyserver?
[05:24] <KaoticEvil> ok, downloading KDE3.5rc1 :)
[05:24] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I've tried to feed that info back, but their email is bogus
[05:24] <kkathman> hehe
[05:25] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: yes
[05:25] <KaoticEvil> hmmm.. i cant find them
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: sounds like a reputable bunch of developers. :-/
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: is there no alternative to that?
[05:27] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( how can i go back to KDe3.4 if 3.5 doesnt work? )
[05:27] <Doctor_Nick> YOU DONT
[05:27] <KaoticEvil> oh, heh ok
[05:27] <Doctor_Nick> badda bump
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda5 to start :)
[05:27] <Doctor_Nick> pres butan to go
[05:27] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan:  that would do me no good..
[05:27] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: remove arts, reinstall from normal breezy sources
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> i dont havce /dev/hda5 ;)
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> have*
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> Riddell:  ah, ok
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda ? :)
[05:29] <KaoticEvil> :P
[05:29] <KaoticEvil> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 ;)
[05:29] <os2mac> ok if anyone saw my last two messages I am sorry...
[05:29] <os2mac> can anyone help me with remote printing?
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> funny story there, I meant to dd a floppy which was external storage, so I typed dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1440 bs=1k, only I hadn't realized my external HD and Floppy had been plugged in different than normal on bootup.
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> so I hosed the external HD partition tables and all.
[05:31] <KaoticEvil> ROFL
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> 4 years of digital pictures :( But hey, I'm a smart guy, I've got backup on DVD.... :D   Oh, what's this? The DVD won't read? SHIAT!
[05:32] <sambagirl> there are 3 version i see of Vista, FreeB, OpenEMR and OpenEMR for Mandrake.rpm if i am using ubuntu would i download OpenEMR?
[05:32] <KaoticEvil> ive done similar... with fdisk (the MS one..)
[05:32] <os2mac> does anyone else have problems with the printer configurator in KDE under Kubuntu?
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> I spend a weekend getting real intimate with rebuilding a superblock by hand, and getting my partitions back, and using recovery tools to get my files back.
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: what kind of problems?
[05:33] <os2mac> as in it will start but hang.....
[05:33] <os2mac> I don'
[05:33] <KaoticEvil> ok.. why wont..
[05:33] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: i dunno what the alternatives are, if any. I could try using their published debian repo and apt-getting, but thats kinda skeptical at best
[05:33] <KaoticEvil> dammit.
[05:34] <os2mac> I don't have a printer attached I am trying to figure out how to setup a remote printer that is on my network but attached to a windows box....
[05:34] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I thought maybe I could temporarily add the repo, do any update, and do and apt-source
[05:35] <sambagirl> nevermind
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: perhaps.
[05:35] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: well, its all kludge I think at this point
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: how did you install your system?
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: and have you done updates?
[05:35] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: how is the install?
[05:35] <os2mac> from the ISO and yes I am up to date.
[05:35] <KaoticEvil> Riddell:  still downloading
[05:35] <KaoticEvil> getting kdebase-data now
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: okay, try opening a shell, and 'sudo kprinter' see if you can add a printer that way. Sometimes kde administator functions don't work too well unless you start them as root.
[05:36] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: don't use sudo with KDE!
[05:37] <kkathman> aptitude or adept
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: why not?
[05:37] <KaoticEvil> why dos kgpg not correctly import keys? o.o
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: the tmp file perms?
[05:37] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan:  use kdesu
[05:37] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: it does evil things
[05:37] <kkathman> kdesu LeeJunFan  :)
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I do it all the time :)
[05:38] <os2mac> they even tell you in the Kubuntu forums to use Sudo
[05:38] <os2mac> and for the record I get the same error.... the utility opens and I get a message configuring printing system and it hangs there.
[05:39] <KaoticEvil> getting kcontrol
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: sure cups is running?
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[05:40] <_zach> Hey does Kubuntu have a make command?
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> _zach: it does after you install build-essential
[05:41] <kkathman> _zach but from a Konsole
[05:41] <os2mac> LeeJunFan I did that and same error
[05:42] <_zach> ok
[05:43] <_zach> I nee dot install build-essential
[05:43] <_zach> thank you
[05:43] <jsubl2> kde 3.5 rc1 is out... nice
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: sudo /etc/init.d/hplip restart ?
[05:44] <KaoticEvil> getting konqueror
[05:44] <kkathman> _zach: use aptitude or apt-get and install build-essential
[05:45] <_zach> Will do
[05:49] <kevred> having sound problems if i play mp3s then wish to play ut must reboot to get sound any ideas
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> kevred: you need to suspend artsd to get it to release /dev/dsp so ut can use it, 'artsshell suspend'
[05:51] <freeflying> why can't I use gpg to sign mail in kmail ,and I have gpg-agent run in backend
[05:51] <kevred> thanks i'll give it ago
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> kevred: but if anything sends sound to artsd after you do that it will grab /dev/dsp again. So you should probably start ut with a command like 'artsshell suspend && [cmd to start ut] 
[05:53] <kevred> thanks leejunfan i'll get onto it
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> Riddell:  still here?
[05:57] <KaoticEvil> oh hell...
[05:58] <_zach> RThanks again
[06:04] <kevred> have to reboot to get sound on ut to work , tried artsshell supend && [cmd to start ut]  the message I get is sound server was already suspended but still no sound in game without reboot any help 
[06:12] <KaoticEvil> well, that sucks :(
[06:12] <KaoticEvil> X wont start now LOL
[06:14] <kevred> when ut loads it trys to open /dev/dsp but its reported as busy?
[06:16] <KaoticEvil> Riddell: you there?
[06:17] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( well, back to the drawing board, i guess heh )
[06:18] <KaoticEvil> ok, well, ill see yall when i get this all done *again* back after while
[06:26] <regeya> domo arigato mr roboto
[06:26] <kkathman> lol
[06:26] <kkathman> hey regeya  :)
[06:27] <regeya> rock on
[06:27] <kkathman> hell ya!
[06:27] <regeya> just glad there aren't any anal-retentives saying 'SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!'
[06:27] <kkathman> LOL
[06:28] <regeya> so I wonder if #kubuntu is dead compared to #ubuntu because: 1.) kubuntu is a lot less common or 2.) ?
[06:29] <kkathman> dead with regard to??
[06:29] <regeya> I'm guessing there are less newbs choosing the kubuntu track
[06:29] <kkathman> activity?
[06:29] <regeya> yeah.
[06:29] <kkathman> uhmm well gnome is the native DE
[06:29] <regeya> very true.
[06:30] <kkathman> and so most newbs that install ubuntu...think ubuntu
[06:30] <regeya> however it's possible to download a CD that goes for the kde track...point well taken
[06:30] <regeya> though
[06:30] <kkathman> go there and #ubuntu never tells them to install KDE unless they ask
[06:30] <kkathman> the new RC is out for KDE 3.5 now
[06:30] <kkathman> RC1
[06:30] <regeya> w00t
[06:30] <kkathman> so its not b2 anymore
[06:31] <kkathman> Im thinking about giving it a ride
[06:31] <kkathman> I was going to pop up to b2, but with so many issues, I held baclk
[06:31] <kkathman> back
[06:34] <SSJiffy> hello
[06:36] <regeya> greetings.
[06:37] <regeya> isn't this a great irc channel?
[06:38] <kevred> bye
[06:39] <SSJiffy> what the
[06:39] <SSJiffy> no one is talking
[06:40] <regeya> interesting.
[06:42] <kkathman> wonder if Riddell is still lurking about?
[06:49] <Sgeper> Bye all
[06:52] <kkathman> anyone know what this means:  gpg: no ultimately trusted keys foundgpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[06:52] <kkathman> oops
[06:52] <kkathman> gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[06:55] <Hobbsee> kkathman: is the key in your home folder?
[06:56] <kkathman> yah its in ~/downloads
[06:56] <Hobbsee> cd to downloads, then try and put the key in?
[06:56] <kkathman> and thats where Im executing the command
[06:56] <kkathman> Tm_T: said I should just ignore it
[06:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's safe enough to ignore
[06:57] <kkathman> I dont have a previous KDE 3.5
[06:57] <kkathman> so I
[06:57] <kkathman> am assuming
[06:57] <kkathman> that it just upgrades me from 3.4.3 to 3.5
[06:57] <Hobbsee> is it better to upgrade to beta2 before RC1, i wonder
[06:57] <Hobbsee> yeah, it would
[06:57] <kkathman> Im going to hold off, until I head from Kaotic or LeeJunFan 
[06:58] <kkathman> they are both installing it
[06:58] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:58] <kkathman> Im ok with leading edge....but not bleeding edge
[06:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:58] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt really care, but if people are already installing, i'd prefer some feedback on how it is
[06:59] <kkathman> yah me too
[06:59] <kkathman> I mean they put the b2 out and it was nowhere near ok
[06:59] <Hobbsee> although i did beta2 as the bleeding edge
[06:59] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[07:01] <kkathman> I'm toying with building another computer, and possibly trying to load up either Fedora or SuSE on it...just as an exercise in learning another system :)
[07:06] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[07:06] <Hobbsee> that could be interesting
[07:11] <nalioth_zZz> kkathman: why rack your brains on redcrap?
[07:13] <Tm_T> nalioth: :p
[07:14] <nalioth> just a question
[07:15] <Tm_T> nalioth: I would ask the same ;)
[07:16] <daleXXgribbel> evening all
[07:17] <daleXXgribbel> i'm having an install issue...when attempting to resize an ntfs partition for 64 breezy, i chose manually edit,i select the new size for the ntfs partition, but it doesn't change when it returns me to the screen
[07:34] <KaoticEvil> wow... THAT sucked! lol
[07:34] <crimson> hello
[07:34] <KaoticEvil> hey crimson :)
[07:35] <crimson> can you help me with these?
[07:35] <crimson> make[4] : *** [pswparser.c]  Error 127
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> no clue...
[07:35] <crimson> triyng to compil
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> crimson: are you the one i helped with samba?
[07:35] <crimson> compiling xfree
[07:35] <crimson> no
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> damn.. ok
[07:36] <DrGayus> love kubuntu, thanks
[07:36] <KaoticEvil> i dont know what i did to get samba working before lol
[07:36] <Hobbsee> crimson: why compile xfce?  i thought it was in repositories
[07:36] <crimson> need xfree to use my ati all in wonder
[07:37] <crimson> xfree86??
[07:37] <nalioth> xfree is not used on hoary or breezy ubuntu
[07:37] <KaoticEvil> hey nalioth :)
[07:37] <nalioth> crimson: you are swimming up a waterfall
[07:38] <KaoticEvil> sounds like fun
[07:38] <crimson> nalioth: so how i make run my ati to video capture?
[07:39] <nalioth> crimson: i have no clue. but hoary and breezy x/k/ubuntu use Xorg
[07:39] <nalioth> perhaps you could look into Xorg
[07:39] <crimson> xawtv,zapping ,kdetv ,tvtime wont work
[07:39] <crimson> ok
[07:39] <KaoticEvil> whats the difference between Xorg and XFree86?
[07:39] <Octane> amarok 1.3.6 debs out?
[07:40] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: Xorg is used in hoary and breezy is one difference
[07:40] <KaoticEvil> doh
[07:40] <crimson> so breezy is kubuntu
[07:41] <crimson> 
[07:41] <crimson> ?
[07:41] <nalioth> crimson: no. breezy is a release name. it could be ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu or server-ubuntu
[07:41] <KaoticEvil> server-ubuntu?
[07:42] <crimson> im using kubuntu
[07:42] <crimson> so i need xorg?
[07:43] <KaoticEvil> crimson: kubuntu comes with xorg..
[07:43] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: he wants to get the cutting edge stuff so his ati not-so-wonderful works
[07:43] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok...
[07:43] <crimson> hehe
[07:44] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: he doesnt understand that ATI hates *nix and he's probably not gonna get the functionality he wants
[07:44] <crimson> sorry its complicated use linux...
[07:44] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: beyond Xorg is used in hoary and breezy... are there any real differences in fucntionality?
[07:45] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: xorg is the more modern variant of X, with new features and more new features in the pipe
[07:45] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok
[07:45] <nalioth> i believe xfree86 is gonna be sailed into the sunset
[07:47] <crimson> so why developers make ati.2 gatos software?
[07:47] <crimson> they say to see tv with avview
[07:47] <crimson> in their page
[07:49] <KaoticEvil> oh, hey.. thats better :)
[07:50] <KaoticEvil> now i get to look thru the packages again and install stuff all over. *yay* o_o
[07:56] <jose> hola
[08:06] <fatejudger> are items that are put in usr/share/autostart executed with root priviledges?
[08:07] <fatejudger> are files that are in folders inside of usr/share/autostart executed?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> doubt they'd be executed with root privelages
[08:07] <fatejudger> but they're owned by root
[08:09] <fatejudger> the reason I ask
[08:09] <fatejudger> is because I'm tried of samba shares that are mounted using the fstab not working
[08:10] <fatejudger> so I thought maybe KDE autostart would do the trick
[08:10] <yudi> i'm new on ssh, i already install the ssh in my kubuntu with command apt-get install ssh, what should i do next to make SecureCRT get connected to kubuntu? i don't know what i should to fill at username and password, i already try with root but it seem not correct :( and there are options of SSH1 and SSH2, what i should to choose?
[08:11] <fatejudger> yudi: what the heck is securecrt?
[08:11] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it seems to be running as a regular user, in the case of thunderbird
[08:11] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[08:11] <ubotu> from memory, ssh is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[08:12] <Dasnipa> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:12] <Dasnipa> Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached
[08:12] <Dasnipa>   how do i free up clients no longer in use?
[08:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you have thunderbird running in /usr/share/autostart?
[08:12] <yudi> thanks :)
[08:12] <yudi> it's worked now...
[08:12] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yes
[08:12] <Hobbsee> no, hang on
[08:13] <Hobbsee> in ~/.kde/Autostart i do
[08:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that's different
[08:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm talking about /usr/share/autostart
[08:14] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yes, i realise that, sorry, only realised after i'd answered
[08:17] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: maybe I should just try and see
[08:17] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:17] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: probably a good idea
[08:17] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: ok, I will
[08:18] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'll restart too to make sure it works and come back on here and report my results
[08:18] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[08:18] <fatejudger> I thought I have figured out my fstab problem
[08:18] <fatejudger> and edited the !samba entry for ubotu
[08:18] <fatejudger> but Samba doesn't start up until after the fstab is loaded
[08:18] <fatejudger> so it's useless
[08:31] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well that didn't work
[08:31] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I tried a couple of ways
[08:31] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but I got nothing
[08:32] <Hobbsee> :(
[08:32] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: yeah, and here I thought I had this great idea
[08:32] <Hobbsee> lol
[08:32] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what I need to do is figure out how to use runlevels
[08:32] <Hobbsee> eek, got no idea
[08:32] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I need to stick a script in the highest runlevel
[08:32] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: maybe I'll ask the #linux types
[08:36] <fatejudger> !runlevels
[08:36] <ubotu> fatejudger: Do they come in packets of five?
[08:36] <Hobbsee_away> might be an idea
[08:36] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:36] <fatejudger> probably the best way
[08:44] <copernic> hello
[08:44] <copernic> could anyone help me installing kd 3.5 rc1 packages? I am lost here :(
[08:45] <nalioth> copernic: i'd hold off on them for a while
[08:45] <copernic> I added the needed line to sources.list and simply don't know which packages to upgrade, synaptic shows no new packages after updating
[08:45] <copernic> nalioth: I am already running beta 2
[08:47] <copernic> so which packages to install to get kde rc2 in about box?
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> damn
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> how mant freakin lib* files are there?!
[08:50] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: a few zillion
[08:50] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: not to mention the lib*-dev ones, too
[08:51] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: on a few zillion?
[08:51] <KaoticEvil> LOL no shit
[08:51] <KaoticEvil> had to kill my install :(
[08:52] <KaoticEvil> im down to libt*... looked thru every package thats not installed..
[08:52] <fatejudger> they released the RC1 packages??
[08:52] <fatejudger> w00t!
[08:52] <fatejudger> this is a happy day!
[08:53] <nalioth> fatejudger: not much success has been reported so far. be wary
[08:53] <KaoticEvil> i had to kill my install
[08:53] <dell500> anyone know how to get 'aticonfig --dtop=horizontal' to work? i get an this error: Warning: Option 'DesktopSetup' doesn't affect running session.
[08:54] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: heed nalioth... i tried em ;)
[08:54] <KaoticEvil> and now im looking thru the repos again... regetting all my hard work.
[08:54] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: they're bad?
[08:55] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: what's wrong with them?
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i dont know...
[08:55] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I was going to format my computer anyway
[08:55] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I might as well try them
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> i had problems with the install, then X tooka shit on me..
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> and then K wouldnt start anymore :P
[08:55] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: bad build?
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> i dont know
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's what happened with the arts thing
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> probably my computer LOL.. is *IS* a POS
[08:56] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> lol
[08:56] <fatejudger> I've heard great things about the KDE trunk
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> well, gee.. thanks for agreeing with me :P
[08:56] <fatejudger> so RC1 must be great
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> dunno
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: what exactly is wrong with your computer?
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: is it old?
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: slow?
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: crappy?
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> you may have better luck that i did
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> old/slow/celeron based...
[08:57] <fatejudger> what's the processor speed and RAM quantity?
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> its an old HP Pavilion i got from a friend for workin gon his OTHER Pavilion
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> 400MHz/128MB-PC100
[08:57] <fatejudger> holy shit
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[08:57] <fatejudger> you're running KDE off of that?
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> yup :D
[08:57] <fatejudger> that must run terribly
[08:57] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: that's a damned nuclear powerhouse of a box
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> its a lil sluggish sometimes..
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: ?!
[08:58] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm running Beta 2, should I upgrade to RC1?
[08:58] <fatejudger> nalioth: and have you tried it?
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: and i never do one thing at a time.. earlier i had 14 apps open :)
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> and that was just in my taskbar
[08:58] <nalioth> fatejudger: i've witnessed 2 early adopters and one of them had no luck
[08:58] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[08:59] <nalioth> the other has not commented since , "here goes the last pkg"
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: early adopters?
[08:59] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i abuse my systems.. and puch them to the edge
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: isn't this the final RC1 build?
[08:59] <nalioth> fatejudger: rc1 has only been available for kubuntu for a matter of hours
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: they didn't do another build for Beta 2
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: even though they screwed up on the arts thing
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: well I'm getting them
[08:59] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i wish you more luck than i had...
[09:00] <KaoticEvil> one *very* cool thing...
[09:00] <nalioth> fatejudger: enjoy
[09:00] <KaoticEvil> since i moved /home to its own partition.. K looks exactly like it should :)
[09:01] <KaoticEvil> the whole time i was installing, i was pissed because i had just gotten everything the way i liked it lol
[09:01] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: my friend did that too
[09:01] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: he said it was good
[09:02] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: but why someone would do that, I don't know
[09:02] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: but I use the default plastik theme, so that's me
[09:02] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: every other theme I've seen is ugly
[09:02] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: not me... i got mine *all* tweaked out
[09:02] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: www.kde-look.org :P
[09:02] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: screenshot?
[09:02] <KaoticEvil> fate> of my desktop?
[09:07] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: yes
[09:07] <fatejudger> !samba
[09:07] <ubotu> I guess samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> ah, i was needing that link anyways ;)
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: you gonne be here a bit?
[09:09] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: yes
[09:09] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: my wallpaper can bee seen here -> www.geocities.com/kaoticevil/power-of-darkness.jpg (it may be _ instead of - im not sure anymore)
[09:09] <fatejudger> I have a complaint about the wiki guide for Windows Shares
[09:09] <fatejudger> you can't do samba shares in the fstab
[09:09] <fatejudger> since the network isn't even running when the fstab is processed
[09:10] <fatejudger> that wiki entry should be deleted
[09:10] <fatejudger> and erased from the bot
[09:10] <fatejudger> or at least replaced with an explanation
[09:10] <nalioth> fatejudger: fix it
[09:11] <fatejudger> nalioth: I
[09:11] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'll have to erase everything though
[09:11] <nalioth> fatejudger: on the wiki or the bot?
[09:11] <fatejudger> nalioth: on the wiki, but the bot will still have the entry
[09:12] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm going to figure out how to do it using runlevels
[09:12] <nalioth> fatejudger: the wiki is for editing, just make sure you are correct 
[09:12] <fatejudger> nalioth: as soon as I do that I can rewrite the guide
[09:14] <fatejudger> uh oh, my mp3 player crashed
[09:15] <fatejudger> rebooted
[09:15] <fatejudger> lol
[09:16] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: did you see the link for my wallpaper?
[09:16] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: yes, lol
[09:16] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: you like the goth stuff?
[09:16] <fatejudger> does anyone know the default runlevel for Kubuntu?
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: some of it
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: 2
[09:17] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: are you sure?
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: 1000%
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i watch the boot process ;)
[09:20] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:20] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: suicide girls?
[09:20] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: who?
[09:20] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's the goth stuff
[09:20] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: im not a *huge* fan of goth..
[09:21] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: the wallpaper simply caught my eye... my tastes are very eclectic :)
[09:21] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I like that word
[09:21] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: which one? eclectic?
[09:22] <KaoticEvil> hmmmm... should i install a fractal generator?
[09:22] <KaoticEvil> i amy make some for new wallpapers :)
[09:23] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:23] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: do a screenshot of your entire desktop
[09:23] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: with windows and everything
[09:23] <spiral> hi
[09:23] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: ok, one second
[09:24] <KaoticEvil> its kinda plain right now..
[09:26] <nalioth> where did you get that wallpaper?
[09:27] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: www.kde-look.org :)
[09:28] <KaoticEvil> gimme just a sec to upload the screenshot...
[09:29] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: uploading now...
[09:29] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: www.geocities.com/kaoticevil/kao-desk.jpg
[09:29] <nalioth> bah! nobody makes cool 1680x1050 wallpapers
[09:30] <fatejudger> eww
[09:30] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: why didn't you stick with the default plastik theme?
[09:30] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: its too much for my poor lol grafx card :(
[09:31] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:31] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: im serious... its a 1MB intel i810 embedded card
[09:31] <fatejudger> my layout is beautiful
[09:31] <fatejudger> LOL
[09:31] <fatejudger> 1mb
[09:32] <fatejudger> I've got this great Battlestar Galactica wallpaper
[09:32] <KaoticEvil> oh, im getting a Radeon 7200 from a friend.... once i get that, its on :>
[09:32] <fatejudger> you're going to put a Radeon 7200 on that shitty thing?
[09:32] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: it will go in my new box when i build it ;)
[09:32] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> im going to turn this box into a CLI-ONLY server box :)
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: my machine is 2.4Ghz with 256 mb of RDRAM
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: and I consider that slow
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: although it runs damn fast in Linux
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> mail, DHCP, web, FTP..the workd
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: it ran like a dog in Windows
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: see, this box ios the opposite.. Win2K was faster :P
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> hey, why not?
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's so stupid
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: what are you going to use a server for?
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> i had a 200MHz Vaio LAPTOP running a web/mail server
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> PLUS internet gateway
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> for a 15-box LAN
[09:34] <fatejudger> what does a LAN have anything to do with that?
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> it was a 200MHz Pentium1 lappy
[09:34] <fatejudger> and what games are you going to play on that shitty computer?
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> lol none :P
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> well, maybe solitaire ;)
[09:34] <fatejudger> lol
[09:34] <fatejudger> I doubt Half-Life would even run on that
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> on this? no
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> diablo runs tho :)
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> wtf
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> adept is a piece of shit.
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> i cant apt-get anything?! wtf?!
[09:35] <fatejudger> LOL
[09:36] <fatejudger> what's the error?
[09:36] <KaoticEvil> its not resolving dependancies for me anymore :(
[09:37] <fatejudger> ?
[09:37] <fatejudger> package breakage?
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> yeah, thats what i said...
[09:37] <fatejudger> isn't there an autofix command?
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> last time i installed xmms, it got the libs for me.. this time, its telling me that they wont be installed.
[09:37] <fatejudger> what did you install exactly?
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> yeah, apt-get -f install
[09:38] <KaoticEvil> nothing yet LOL...
[09:43] <KaoticEvil> wonder if adept will work now...
[09:53] <fatejudger> brb, gonna see if this runlevel thing works
[09:54] <KaoticEvil> hve fun.. and good luck
[09:54] <KaoticEvil> have*
[09:54] <fatejudger> lol
[09:54] <fatejudger> thanks
[09:58] <KaoticEvil> brb
[10:04] <meng> is the kde3.5rc1 server up?
[10:07] <fatejudger> *sigh*
[10:07] <fatejudger> no luck...
[10:11] <Hobbsee> so far so good for the upgrade
[10:18] <meng> i can't seem to see it updating at all
[10:19] <meng> unless the apt line in the kubuntu page is wrong
[10:19] <Hobbsee> meng: i think it is
[10:19] <Hobbsee> let me get the correct one...
[10:19] <Hobbsee> meng: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[10:20] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: what problems have you been having?
[10:21] <meng> thanks
[10:23] <DjDarkman> hy ,can someone tell me how could i set up my two cmedia soundcards in kubuntu?
[10:26] <DjDarkman> ?
[10:27] <DjDarkman> no one can help me?
[10:28] <asraniel_> DjDarkman: you want to use both?
[10:28] <DjDarkman> yes
[10:28] <DjDarkman> i want to make the 1. soundcard the "primary"
[10:29] <asraniel_> hm. i think there is something in the wiki about it, i had a similar problem, but i just wanted to use the second one and not the first, so i found this tutorial one day, look in the wiki
[10:29] <DjDarkman> i want to do that too
[10:29] <DjDarkman> thanx
[10:32] <DjDarkman> asraniel_: but where do i have to look there?
[10:32] <DjDarkman> in the logs?
[10:34] <asraniel_> DjDarkman: you know what the wiki is?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> anyone else running the kde 3.5 rc1 here?  fatejudger?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> looking for someone to confirm something - not sure if it's my system, or a bug
[10:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm going to be in a few minutes
[10:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I just formatted my laptop
[10:35] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: right, cool
[10:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: going to download the binaries
[10:35] <Hobbsee> what problems did you have?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[10:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you'll have to give me 10 or 15 minutes
[10:35] <Hobbsee> sure
[10:35] <DjDarkman> asraniel_: not realy ,https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat is it this?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> !wiki
[10:35] <Hobbsee> !wiki soundcard
[10:36] <DjDarkman> so that`s how it worx...
[10:36] <DjDarkman> !wiki soundcard
[10:36] <Hobbsee> looks like it, but there's no soundcard page
[10:36] <Hobbsee> so you've got to know the page that you want
[10:36] <Wartah_linux> can any one help me enable samba server?
[10:37] <fatejudger> !beta
[10:37] <ubotu> fatejudger: I give up, what is it?
[10:37] <fatejudger> !kde beta
[10:37] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, fatejudger
[10:37] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[10:37] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, totally, KDE 3.5beta2 out: http://tinyurl.com/ad4x6
[10:37] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fatejudger about msg the bot
[10:37] <nalioth> as in !dont !flood !the !channel !with !useless !fishing
[10:38] <fatejudger> nalioth: well thank you very much
[10:38] <fatejudger> nalioth: it was only twice
[10:38] <fatejudger> only part of RC1 is compiled?
[10:38] <fatejudger> why are they releasing it then?
[10:38] <seaLne> early testing
[10:39] <seaLne> also to build the rest of it you need the basic stuff
[10:39] <Hobbsee> updated !kde3.5
[10:39] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you're a moderator?
[10:40] <Hobbsee> no
[10:40] <Hobbsee> not in this forum
[10:40] <Hobbsee> *irc channel
[10:40] <nalioth> fatejudger: just lettin everyone know about !useless !fishing
[10:40] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: im guesisng it went well, since youre here
[10:41] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: works here
[10:41] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: see PM
[10:41] <KaoticEvil> it failed for me :(
[10:41] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: how so?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: did you apt-get install kdebase-bin to fix the errors?
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: nope...
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> i just killed it  lol
[10:42] <Hobbsee> lol...that wasnt too smart now was it lol?
[10:42] <osh> I just can't get multimedia to work in kubuntu. What am I doing wrong? First of all kaffeine doesn't play the vobs and secondly it doesn't die and just hangs in the background eating cpu... :-/
[10:42] <Hobbsee> should have tried installing the bit that had the dependancy problem first :P
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: meh.. i didnt lose anything :)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: no, it installed fine
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> it wouldnt RUN ...
[10:43] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: wouldnt run?  i wonder why not
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> no clue
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> probably my POS box had somethin to do with it ;)
[10:45] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:46] <KaoticEvil> too bad thats everyone :(
[10:46] <fatejudger> lol
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:46] <fatejudger> I love my laptop and desktop
[10:47] <fatejudger> they're only 2.4 ghz machines
[10:47] <fatejudger> one's a celeron and ones a p4
[10:47] <fatejudger> but it's enough
[10:47] <Hobbsee> true
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> cept for the fact that they're intel based....
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> i miss my dual Athlon box! :(
[10:49] <DjDarkman> noone knows how to set the 'default' soundcard?
[10:50] <insanekane> osh: have you tried installing the xine engine for kaffeine ?
[10:50] <insanekane> osh: and also the w32codecs ?
[10:52] <DjDarkman> #ubuntu-hardware
[10:52] <DjDarkman> sorry
[10:52] <picca> does kubuntu still use gnome utilities for things like package management?
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> picca: no.
[10:53] <Hobbsee> picca: no, there's adept
[10:53] <Hobbsee> !tell picca about adept
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> theres adept, apt-get, and aptitude
[10:53] <Hobbsee> that too
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> i wonder if i could run lxdoom on this...
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> DooM 2 ran ok...
[10:54] <picca> i am just thinking that i'd like to move from ubuntu to kubuntu because i like KDE, but i wouldn't like it if there were still all the gnome stuff from ubuntu installed - so if i download the ISO and do a fresh install will gnome be installed with all its stuff?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> picca: no, if you download a kubuntu iso, there will be no gnome stuff installed
[10:55] <picca> that is excellent Hobbsee :)
[10:55] <KaoticEvil> ya gotta do that yourself lol
[10:55] <Hobbsee> definetly
[10:55] <picca> just what i am after
[10:55] <Hobbsee> i cant stand gnome either :P
[10:55] <picca> :)
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> sadly, i have a need to isntall some gnome libs :(
[10:56] <picca> i just don't like having a mixture of gnome and kde apps - i prefer everything to be KDE
[10:56] <Hobbsee> mine's predominantly kde
[10:57] <picca> i am currently running KDE under ubuntu and i have to say it seems a lot faster than gnome
[10:57] <Hobbsee> picca: it seems like it could be, some people say it is, some say it isnt
[10:57] <_basic> yo
[10:57] <picca> i guess it depends on your system
[10:57] <Hobbsee> hey _basic 
[10:57] <Hobbsee> true
[10:57] <_basic> anyone wanna tell me how to put a user back into the default groups
[10:58] <_basic> i was trying to add myself to the games group and it deleted me from the other groups
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> oh, if adept crashes on me again, im gonna be PISSED!
[10:58] <insanekane> _basic: i dont wanna tell you
[10:58] <_basic> :(
[10:59] <_basic> im root user right now
[10:59] <rendi> Sir how to configure kubuntu my mouse serial i'm use breezy
[10:59] <xxenon> morning. I can see kubuntu.org announcing 3.5RC1, but I dont see any upgrade actually available
[10:59] <xxenon> (same apt source)
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> xxenon: you have to add the repos yourself...
[10:59] <_basic> or is there a log somewhere
[10:59] <rendi> i type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but no option about mouse serial there
[10:59] <_basic> where would the log be for everything outputted in bash
[11:00] <xxenon> KaoticEvil - I added the one listed on the homepage. Same as beta 2
[11:00] <xxenon> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php needs to be updated.
[11:00] <xxenon> repo is wrong
[11:00] <Hobbsee> xxenon: already PM'd Riddell about this
[11:00] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main is the correct repo
[11:00] <rendi> hello
[11:01] <Hobbsee> hi rendi
[11:01] <rendi> how ?
[11:01] <xxenon> Hobbsee - okay
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> yeah, thats it lol... i was looking for it...
[11:01] <Hobbsee> xxenon: that repo, "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main" will get you the upgrade
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> i dont think ill be trying it agian tho...
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> again*
[11:01] <xxenon> Hobbsee - yeah...found it..upgrade in progess :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:03] <rendi> how to configure kubuntu with my mouse serial i'm use breezy
[11:04] <rendi> ?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> rendi: it didnt work when you plugged it in?
[11:05] <insanekane> rendi: i think, you may have to do some XFree86Config hacking
[11:05] <rendi> blah
[11:05] <insanekane> rendi: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:05] <rendi> so it mean breeze can't use with serial mouse
[11:05] <rendi> i have done with that
[11:06] <rendi> i use /dev/ttyS0
[11:06] <rendi> not work
[11:06] <insanekane> rendi: i have used serial mice with kubuntu .. they get detected on their own, without any problems
[11:06] <eckhart> hi
[11:07] <insanekane> rendi: what about the option Protocol ?
[11:07] <eckhart> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php <-- that page is a bit strange
[11:07] <rendi> insanekane u use default conf without edit anything ??
[11:08] <insanekane> rendi: yep the system auto detects everything ... seeing as serial mice were around for a *long* time
[11:08] <eckhart> as it still tells about kde 3.5 beta2
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> ubotu: tell eckhart about kde3.5
[11:08] <Hobbsee> eckhart: link is wrong
[11:08] <Hobbsee> should be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[11:08] <eckhart> Hobbsee: yeah, i guessed that ;-)
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: does ubotu have correct info?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> no, it's linking to the page
[11:09] <rendi> ok thanks insanekane i'll reconfigure again 
[11:09] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[11:09] <Hobbsee> is the link you want
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> ok
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> damn java is freakin huge.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> not sure if Riddell wants the bot updated
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> where does apt-get cache the deb's it downloads?
[11:10] <insanekane> KaoticEvil: /var/cache/apt
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> and does it delete them when after they're installed?
[11:10] <insanekane> KaoticEvil: not unless you do a purge
[11:10] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: apt-get stores it's debs in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> cool.. i may make me a CD...
[11:10] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: or a -clean
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> right.. ive done -clean before
[11:11] <CellarDoor> evening all
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> ah hell.. i forgot to install samba with this run. dammit.
[11:11] <CellarDoor> my kubuntu is cactus
[11:11] <rendi> it work thanks c ya
[11:12] <CellarDoor> I'm using an ubuntu live CD... does anyone know how I can mount my hard drive so I can edit my xorg.conf and maybe (fingers crossed) be able to boot my system again ?
[11:13] <insanekane> CellarDoor: mount /dev/hd<devicename> /<mountpoint> should work
[11:13] <nalioth> CellarDoor: you can edit your xorg.conf from a console on the installed ubuntu
[11:14] <CellarDoor> ?
[11:14] <CellarDoor> I'm a n00b
[11:14] <insanekane> hmm
[11:14] <CellarDoor> I cant boot my installed kubuntu
[11:15] <nalioth> CellarDoor: then you dont have an xorg problem
[11:15] <CellarDoor> I'm not sure what my device name is for my hard drive
[11:15] <Hobbsee> CellarDoor: fdisk -l
[11:15] <insanekane> sudo ..
[11:16] <CellarDoor> kubuntu starts up and seems to be starting normally, my nvidia screen flashes up momentarily (not as long as usual) then it goes back to text and stops
[11:16] <amu> CellarDoor: open a konsole and type: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt .. .ext3 ist the filesystype /dev/hda1 your 1st. ide harddisk /mnt mountpoint 
[11:16] <Russel-Athletic> is there a mirror to the kubuntu kde3.5rc1 packages?
[11:16] <nalioth> amu: that isn't his problem
[11:16] <nalioth> amu: CellarDoor is ignorant of his options
[11:16] <CellarDoor> that I am
[11:17] <nalioth> CellarDoor: at your text, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:17] <nalioth> CellarDoor: and choose the VESA option (this will get you going until you can figure out nvidia)
[11:17] <amu> nalioth: hehe
[11:18] <CellarDoor> nalioth ? I'm using a live cd
[11:19] <nalioth> CellarDoor: then get out of it and boot back into your regular install
[11:19] <CellarDoor> I already said i cant
[11:19] <CellarDoor> It hangs
[11:19] <CellarDoor> thats why Im using a live cd
[11:20] <Hobbsee> !tell Russel-Athletic about kde3.5
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Russel-Athletic: not sure about a mirror
[11:20] <Russel-Athletic> there is no mirror...
[11:20] <Russel-Athletic> the problem is, i am behind a proxy (can't configure it) and it gives me the old packages
[11:21] <Hobbsee> even with the new repository?
[11:21] <Russel-Athletic> !tell Russel-Athletic about kde3.5
[11:21] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[11:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[11:21] <Hobbsee> if that helps
[11:22] <Russel-Athletic> thx it works
[11:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:23] <Russel-Athletic> on the homepage there is still the beta2 rep
[11:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's wrong, PM'd the guy who does the page about it already
[11:24] <Russel-Athletic> k
[11:25] <CellarDoor> ok, could someone tell me how to mount my hard drive using this live CD so I can edit my xorg.conf ?
[11:26] <spiral> anyone knows if others packages should come soon or if it may be delayed for sometime ?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> spiral: for which?
[11:26] <nalioth> CellarDoor: scroll up and read waht amu told you?
[11:26] <spiral> Hobbsee: kde 3.5rc1
[11:26] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming that more will be done over teh weekend, but couldnt tell you for sure, as i'm not compiling them
[11:27] <spiral> Hobbsee: 'right
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> hmmmmm... now thats odd...
[11:28] <Russel-Athletic> k restarting for kde3.5rc1... see you on my next question :)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> hehe good luck Russel-Athletic!
[11:29] <_thumper_> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php still says to put beta2 in sources.list
[11:29] <Hobbsee> _thumper_: it's wrong
[11:29] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[11:29] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, totally, KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[11:29] <_thumper_> I realised that
[11:30] <Hobbsee> right, cool
[11:31] <clemux> hi
[11:35] <bimberi> hi clemux
[11:36] <CellarDoor> amu I don't understand
[11:40] <murray> anyone know if you can map the next/prev tab keys in firefox to something other than the defaults?
[11:43] <eliezer> kde or gnome?
[11:44] <murray> kde
[11:45] <eliezer> yeah, i tought the same, murray.
[11:46] <_thumper_> I've just installed KDE3.5RC1 and adept shows three packages are BROKEN (installed), how bad is this?
[11:46] <co_mo_janda> #banda aceh
[11:46] <_thumper_> they are kdebase, kdesktop and kdm
[11:46] <spiral> _thumper_: apt-get -f install in a shell maybe ?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> _thumper_: tried sudo apt-get install...let me get it...
[11:47] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install kdebase-bin
[11:47] <Hobbsee> then upgrade
[11:47] <Hobbsee> and it should be fine
[11:47] <Hobbsee> then go write it in the wiki :P
[11:47] <Hobbsee> already done that, and it works
[11:47] <spiral> _thumper_: you might see a problem with kde-data... I had to do : dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5-rc1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb
[11:48] <hc> Aloha - erhm, where can i download libdvdcss ?
[11:50] <eliezer> www.google.com
[11:50] <hc> brilliant
[11:50] <eliezer> :)
[11:50] <robotgeek> !tell hc about RestrictedFormats
[11:50] <nalioth> !libdvdcss2
[11:50] <ubotu> I heard libdvdcss2 is to enable DVD playback, read and use this local file for libdvdcss2 /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh   Don't have this file? Install "libdvdread3"
[11:50] <freeflying> are there similar package as streamtuner in kde
[11:50] <nalioth> y'all get with the program
[11:50] <robotgeek> that's faster :)
[11:51] <nalioth> use the bot to help everyone
[11:51] <mornfall> KaoticEvil: maybe you forgot to report the BUG?
[11:51] <hc> brillaint - thanks
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> mornfall: huh?
[11:52] <mornfall> #kubuntu: < KaoticEvil> oh, if adept crashes on me again, im gonna be PISSED!
[11:53] <KaoticEvil> heh.. i didnt get a crash screen.. it just died
[11:53] <mornfall> keep your piss for yourself, or at least be helpful
[11:53] <KaoticEvil> if i had gotten a crash screen, i would have reported it
[11:54] <KaoticEvil> it just went *poof*
[11:54] <mornfall> so it's worth complaining about but not reporting right?
[11:54] <murray> how'd you change the font in konsole?
[11:54] <KaoticEvil> mornfall: what was i supposed to report? that it just dissapeared on me?
[11:55] <robotgeek> i thought kde had a program which launched an reported the bugs for you when a program crashes?
[11:55] <mornfall> KaoticEvil: maybe what were you doing at the time, if it's reproducible, how, ...?
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> i was just going thru the packages.. and no, it hasnt happened before or since
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> robotgeek: it does, but it didnt come up
[11:58] <murray> or rather, how do you change the fonts such that the changes remain when you quit konsole and restart it
[11:58] <KaoticEvil> murray: change the font, then click Settings -> Save as Default
[11:59] <murray> ta
[11:59] <KaoticEvil> yup :)
[11:59] <kie> hello
[12:00] <kie> i got a problem withz my grub loader after reinstalling windows on my first patition
[12:00] <kie> my grub loader isn't there anymore
[12:00] <KaoticEvil> kie: thats because windows installs its own bootloader
[12:00] <kie> yeah i know
[12:00] <bimberi> kie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:00] <kie> thx
[12:01] <KaoticEvil> wow... they got everything on the wiki lol
[12:01] <bimberi> kie: np :)
[12:01] <bimberi> KaoticEvil: it's a helluva url innit? :)
[12:02] <KaoticEvil> yeah, no joke
[12:05] <julius> kubuntu or genome?
[12:26] <{{corona}}> hi after my last reboot the boot sequence ends up in a file system check on root and asks for root password! now my sudo password does not work as root. and therefore the only other option is to press ctrl-d which reboots the system and the same thing happens again. earlier a ctrl-d would carry on and kubuntu would startup. can someone help?
[12:32] <{{corona}}> anyone here to help?
[12:33] <Niomi> it's a wee hour of the morning here in the states, everyone is likely asleep.. i know i should be. the kubuntu channel is quiet compared to ubuntu, don't give up and try again :)
[12:33] <{{corona}}> oh ok then you should sleep too
[12:34] <bimberi> {{corona}}: can you boot into "recovery mode"?  if so, set a root password that you can use for the fsck
[12:35] <hussam> it shouldn't ask for root password for filesystem check, at least it doesn't here.
[12:35] <{{corona}}> even recovery mode gets into thiis file check
[12:35] <bimberi> {{corona}}: :(
[12:35] <{{corona}}> :(
[12:36] <hussam> ask in #ubuntu
[12:36] <{{corona}}> ok
[12:37] <KaoticEvil> brb, restarting K
[12:41] <bimberi> {{corona}}: another thought -  try running fsck from a livecd
[12:41] <{{corona}}> well i dont have one..
[12:41] <{{corona}}> i shall look around
[12:43] <{{corona}}> are there any special boot up commands i can give?
[12:47] <KaoticEvil> ubuntu-dekstop is a meta-pakage, right?
[12:48] <crimsun> yes.
[12:48] <KaoticEvil> so its safe to remove it?
[12:48] <crimsun> same as edubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, and xubuntu-desktop
[12:48] <crimsun> yes
[12:48] <crimsun> just remember to add it back when you dist-upgrade to dapper
[12:48] <crimsun> s/when/before/
[12:49] <KaoticEvil> s/before/if ;)
[12:49] <KaoticEvil> i probably wont... not on this box...
[12:50] <murr> when i log off the session is saved. how can i disable this?
[12:50] <KaoticEvil> what abou language-support-en.... can i remove that one as well?
[12:50] <KaoticEvil> about*
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> murr: in kcontrol under kde components is session manager.
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> murr: you want to tell it to start with an empty session on login.
[12:51] <KaoticEvil> hey LeeJunFan :)
[12:51] <murr> LeeJunFan: ah, ok. thank you
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hi, you still working on kde?
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> nah
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> it wouldnt start :P
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> so i killed it, and re-installed heh
[12:53] <KaoticEvil> getting things sorted out now
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hrm, I didn't see 'wouldn't start' on the known issues page. hehe :)
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I did see someoen said theres a problem with arts though.
[12:55] <KaoticEvil> lol LeeJunFan 
[12:56] <KaoticEvil> i think ill wait until im a bit more knowledgable before i go running pre-release software tho ;)
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I've found that running a pre release desktop environment just isn't worth the few extra features you get, not if it's on a system you actually want to make use of.
[12:57] <KaoticEvil> exactly my point :)
[12:57] <KaoticEvil> perhaps one day... like with KDE 4.5 or something:P
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> ah, finally.. OOo is GONE! yay! *does a happy dance*
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I've got my system partitioned with 2 5G's, and a big part for /home so I have one 5G part with the OS I use, and another 5G for playing, usually run devel version of kubuntu.
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> wow
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: that way I can play on one and if it's messed up I can always boot back to stable one.
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> right
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> eventually, im going to ahve me a system with 6 or 7 differnet OS's on it :)
[12:59] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: esp prerelease that is less than 12 hours old, eh?
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> for trouble shooting purposes
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: OS junkie.
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: i was here when Riddell posted it.. i was downloading less thna 5 mins later :P
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: yes, i am...
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: at one point, i had VMWare installed under XP, and i had 25 different OS's installed...
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you could install windows 7 times and setup a rotation schedule to use a different one each day, which should greatly extend the amount of time between having to re-install windows :)
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> and i would routinely boot 7 or 8 of them at one time
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: haha, I did something like that just to be a smart ass.
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: And I ran them all at once and took a screenshot.
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i never had a problem with windows stability, at least not after i moved to 2k/XP
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: as did i... it has since been lost on the internet somewhere... lol
[01:01] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: well we're lucky you are not a cinder
[01:01] <KaoticEvil> and, tbh, i had a 98 install that ran non-stop, and was used, every day, for almsot a year
[01:01] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: windows 3.1,95,98, plus I had uae running amiga, and mac emulation, and the commodore 64,128, vic, pet, etc... all on the screen at one time.
[01:01] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: mine were all 32-bit OS's ;)
[01:01] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: a cinder?
[01:02] <nalioth> pre release software 5 minutes old? smokin hot dude
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i had 95, 98, 98SE, ME, 2K Pro, Server, and Adv. Server, XP Pro and Home...
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> all running at the same time on an XP Pro host system
[01:03] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: please dont scare us with your history of abuse
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> I think I did this before XP was out if I remember right.
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: :P
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: do i sense a lil animosity? :P
[01:04] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: no. you sense several train car loads of it
[01:04] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: ive also installed XP on a 200MHz pentium 1 laptop, with 128MB of RAM
[01:04] <KaoticEvil> LOL nalioth 
[01:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> ok, well, im off to watch a movie
[01:05] <`Nomad> hi..  Could someone show me what their fstab line is for /home?   Mine got screwed up, and I can't run scripts anymore..
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> or something.. maybe i can sleep...
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hehe, I've been there too. As long as you don't run out of ram by using more than one app at a time it's usable.
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i was running several apps at once..
[01:05] <`Nomad> Mine has this now     /dev/hda3 /home ext3 defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid,users 0 2
[01:06] <KaoticEvil> and i was ripping an ISO ;)
[01:06] <`Nomad> I have a feeling that the defaults doesn't go there
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> What do you know, I found my screenshot in the first dir I looked in. Only it is windows XP and I only have one copy of windows running in this one. I swear I had one running with more windows too somewhere. The search goes on.
[01:09] <insanekane> what do i do to get rid of this error ? -> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> damn, fish:// nor sftp:// doesn't seem to work for me in konqueror :(
[01:15] <LeeJunFan> hrm, fish doesn't like the non-standard port I have ssh listening on.
[01:16] <CORONA> hi i got my boot thing fixed
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> http://home.skycon.net/~junfan/snapshot2.png
[01:26] <Kibou> anyone else getting an "growisofs did not exit cleanly" error with k3b?
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> Kibou: I haven't.
[01:31] <Snifffurt> Hello.
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> Kibou: what type of DVD are you burning? not sure that it matters.
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> Kibou: I don't think I've done a data DVD in a while.
[01:32] <Snifffurt> After experiencing some bugs in Kmail I made sort of the decision to switch back to thunderbird. But is there a way to import ~/Mail/* into thunderbird?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Snifffurt: is there an export mail option in kmail?
[01:33] <Kibou> data dvd.. yea
[01:34] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: but how will I import the result into TB
[01:34] <Snifffurt> ?
[01:34] <Kibou> the dvd is fine though
[01:34] <Hobbsee> there's an import button
[01:34] <Kibou> plays fine.. did a md5 check on the files
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hey, where's it gone!
[01:34] <Hobbsee> *goes off and searches*
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ah....
[01:35] <Kibou> just that error annoys and after it ejects the dvd it doesn't insert it again to verify
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Snifffurt: go into your address book in TB, tools, import, then import from there, if it will let you
[01:35] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: It will only import comunicator 4 data AFAIS
[01:35] <Hobbsee> darn
[01:35] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: the adressbook is no prob
[01:35] <Hobbsee> afais?
[01:35] <Snifffurt> throuch .csv
[01:36] <Snifffurt> AFAIS= As Far As I See
[01:37] <Hobbsee> rightt
[01:37] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: and where is this "export mail" button?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> i could have sworn i saw it there, back when i tried using kmail...dont all email programs have an export button?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> i'm sorry, maybe it's gone awol
[01:38] <Snifffurt> Kmail doesent seem to be one of them
[01:38] <Snifffurt> But AFAIK it uses the Maildir standard
[01:38] <Snifffurt> wich is open
[01:38] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: I think OE has an exploit button.
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> :)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: hehehehehe
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> anyone ever use the kde kiosktool? I've got a library that wants me to install linux on all their workstations because they are sick of spending money and time on spyware and and antivirus removal and tools.
[01:49] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: First of all, congrats with the job. Most of us have to fight to convince people :)
[01:50] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Secondly, I have played with the thing and liked it much.
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: nice, thanks.
[01:50] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: But your chance of success is greatest if you can fit whatever they need in a web application, and limit the user interface to a single konqueror.
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: it's funny, I actually recommended they not do it because of the learning curve for the staff, drew up a big pros/cons, but they insisted.
[01:51] <Juerd> Learning curves are very temporary.
[01:51] <Juerd> They had to learn how to use the current system, they will have to learn how to use the next one, regardless of when and which.
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: for the most part, I probably will. The main problem is going to be web pages that only display correctly with IE.
[01:52] <Juerd> Are those internal pages, or internet stuff?
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: basically they are going to get konqueror and/or firefox with openoffice and kpdf.
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: internet stuff.
[01:53] <Juerd> Ah
[01:53] <Juerd> Then consider running a proxy that adds a message to known IE-only sites
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: I suppose if it turns out to be a super problem there's always the option of crossover with ie.
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: but I hate that crutch.
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, they get their internet from me and they already have a squidserver with a content filter on it.
[01:55] <Juerd> In a red box: "The creators of this web site choose not to support our system. Some elements may look bad or even function incorrectly."
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: amazing how many pervs will try to look at pr0n in broad daylight in a public place with 100 other people and kids walking around them.
[01:55] <Juerd> Wow.
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: I'm sad to say the small town I live in here is infested with pervs.
[01:56] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Avoid Wine.
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I'd like to avoid any windows dependancies if at all possible.
[01:56] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: And other methods of running IE. It'll only get you the same problems a Windows machine has, but without the Windows framework needed to fix them.
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, that was my thought. Nothing like having to run spybot on linux. hehe
[01:57] <Juerd> Also, realize that OpenOffice.org, as a non-KDE program, cannot easily be limited.
[01:58] <Juerd> One thing I've done for a single public terminal, is to simply restore the entire home directory each time the machine is rebooted.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I'm not too worried about that. I figured what I'll do is to chmod many of the files in the /home dir as non writeable so worst case scenario if someone does manage to change a setting a logout/in will fix it all.
[01:58] <Juerd> It boots fast, and the user only gets one button to log out, which is connected to the RESET pins on the motherboard.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I considered that route too.
[01:59] <Juerd> The upside of this is that every user starts with a very clean environment
[01:59] <Juerd> But can still do everything they like.
[02:00] <Juerd> Depending on the circumstances, it may even be nice to give users their own accounts.
[02:00] <Juerd> Which for a small fee (excluded staff) they can retain.
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: thought about that too, would give them more opportunity to learn linux if I allowed them to play with it, and simply had something setup so the staff could clean the account if a patrom messes it up.
[02:02] <jatos> hi
[02:02] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Cleaning is a matter of wiping everything except ~/documents :)
[02:03] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: And then copying /etc/skel back to it
[02:03] <jatos> I had a problem yesterday with kaffeine complaning is can't find a decoded for mp3 or wma, with win32 codes installed
[02:03] <jatos> installed xine, still doesn't work
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: right, I've put a lot of thought into this too. I did a kiosk system a LONG time ago with kde 1.something. hehe
[02:04] <Juerd> jatos: Have you installed the libmad0 package?
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: but that was just one, this is going to be a bit bigger.
[02:05] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: I hope for you that it is possible to set up a single beefed up server, and have the clients run dumbed down X terminals
[02:05] <jatos> no...
[02:05] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: That makes maintenance a hell of a lot easier than maintaining a lot of separate computers :)
[02:05] <jatos> just installing....
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I've got the beefed up server already, and it's a library rebuilding so they are getting all brand new workstations too.
[02:06] <jatos> have now though, waiting to see if it works
[02:06] <jatos> same problem
[02:06] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Just don't forget to set up ulimits and disable java ;)
[02:06] <Juerd> !mp3
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> so, with a bunch of identical machines and HD's I can dd from one setup hd to all the others.
[02:06] <Juerd> jatos: Type !mp3
[02:06] <jatos> !mp3
[02:06] <Juerd> jatos: Now read the message you got :)
[02:07] <jatos> Someone said that 22 seconds ago
[02:07] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Yea. Be careful with hostnames, though. It may be useful to script something to set the hostname based on the IP address you get.
[02:07] <jatos> uboto doesn't seem to understand
[02:07] <jatos> !wma
[02:08] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[02:08] <jatos> !restricted
[02:08] <thoreauputic> bah too long
[02:08] <thoreauputic> it gets diverted to msg
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> !ubotu wake the f*k up!
[02:09] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, LeeJunFan
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> hehe, saw that.
[02:09] <Juerd> thoreauputic: That's why the factoids should be limited to a single URL
[02:09] <thoreauputic> anyway it's  wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:09] <thoreauputic> Juerd: yes, they are getting too long
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: I'll probably just use DHCP as for the hostnames issue.
[02:12] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: In any case, good luck to you, and please document your experiences in an article, or a journal.
[02:13] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: One quick public note from your side may save others troubles you run into.
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: will do. I'm wondering if I should use ldap or simply mount /home over nfs from the server.
[02:13] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: My favourite is to use simply X terminals
[02:13] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: The actual programs then run on the server
[02:14] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Any standard linux distribution, without ldap or nfs, can then be used.
[02:14] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: It does require a server that can handle a lot.
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: true, but then one konqueror with a runaway plugin kills the group.
[02:14] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: ulimit
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> well, ulimit. 
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> right.
[02:15] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: /etc/security/limits.conf
[02:15] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: How many workstations would this thing have?
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I've worked with that before too, back in the suicidal days of allowing people to have shell access on the ISP webserver. hehe
[02:15] <Juerd> My rule of thumb is to have 100 MB of RAM per workstation, but usually they use less than 80
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: 30 I think.
[02:16] <Juerd> Oh, that's very doable
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I think that's probably the way to go. Although one thing I have never done is remote X terminals. :)
[02:20] <osh> I just can't get multimedia to work in kubuntu. What am I doing wrong? First of all kaffeine doesn't play the vobs and secondly it doesn't die and just hangs in the background eating cpu... :-/
[02:20] <jatos> btw, anyone know how to use wifi using just the console
[02:20] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: It's easy.
[02:20] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: The X *server* runs on the client computer, the X *client* is a program that connects to it, and it runs on the server computer.
[02:21] <osh> Is there a more updated faq than the one in /topic which is for hoary?
[02:21] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Set up, on the client, an X server, and run nothing on it. This is as simple as running X (not startx)
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: I understand that :) I just have never configured it to connect to a remote X server on boot.
[02:21] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Then, on the server computer, run "DISPLAY=192.168.1.1 startkde" and you're done.
[02:21] <Juerd> (This assumes you want automatic (or actually, no) logins)
[02:22] <Juerd> You can also use a desktop manager like kdm or gdm.
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: right, I think that's the route I'll go and allow multiple user accounts.
[02:22] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Have it run: X & ssh guest@server "DISPLAY=$MYIP:0 startkde"
[02:22] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Or, even simpler:
[02:22] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: X & ssh -X guest@server startkde
[02:23] <Juerd> Which saves you the trouble of trying to find your own IP.
[02:23] <Juerd> And lets ssh do the X forwarding.
[02:23] <Juerd> Extra goodness about that is that you can have ssh compress everything, to limit network use.
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: right. thanks.
[02:24] <Juerd> Hm, a little correction: X & DISPLAY=:0 ssh -X guest@server startkde
[02:24] <Juerd> Otherwise it doesn't know that it should use the local display :)
[02:24] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: I'm off to get some food now. Again, good luck and keep the world informed :)
[02:25] <spiral> 'bye
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: thanks for the help.
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: later.
[02:27] <osh> does kaffeine work for you guys? I'm |-- --| this far from throwing kubuntu out and going back to gentoo. Atleast there I can get the fscking media player working. :-(
[02:43] <osh> Some sort of feedback would be nice. Is it my installation that is botched because kaffeine works for everyone else, is it a known issue? Is there a fix? The faq in /topic is outdated so no help there. I can fix most things myself but I don't want to go out chasing something that is already known.
[02:45] <Juerd> It works for me. I have no idea what could be wrong with yours, though.
[02:47] <PJeremy> osh: have you installed w32codecs ?
[02:52] <jatos> osh, just get VLC
[02:52] <jatos> it will make you life a lot easier...
[02:53] <osh> PJeremy: I did, from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/, but that doesn't explain the hanging process. And it still doesnt work. :-/ 
[02:53] <jatos> ah...
[02:54] <osh> jatos: I can get vlc and probably will, but if kaffeine doesn't work that might indicate that other things are broken on my machine too. I'd like to find out what's wrong. 
[02:54] <jatos> kaffeine doesn't work for me, half the packages for it don't come as standard
[02:55] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:55] <osh> jatos: Ah, good to know. Atleast I'm not alone with this problem then. =)
[02:55] <jatos> lol
[02:55] <jatos> if you want anything to work I say get VLC
[02:56] <jatos> all its needs now is a playlist plugin...
[02:56] <PJeremy> jatos: wmv don't work for me in vlc..
[02:56] <PJeremy> of course.. wmv is not very important either..
[02:57] <jatos> oh, I can get all other formats to work
[02:57] <jatos> got win32 codes?
[02:57] <jatos> *codecs
[02:57] <PJeremy> jatos: yea, it's just wmv in vlc, which works in mplayer, and mplayer crashes with dvds, which vlc plays fine heh..
[02:57] <v-dogg> can somebody recommend a good SVN gui for KDE?
[02:58] <v-dogg> I've used TortoiseSVN on Windows
[02:58] <PJeremy> osh: i think the "not dieing and eating cpu" was already known in hoary...
[02:59] <osh> PJeremy: That's what I seem to remember too but one would assume that an issue like that would be fixed between releases?
[03:02] <PJeremy> osh: yea. i haven't used kaffeine yet, since it crashed in-game scenes in wine if i didn't kill it before playing in hoary..
[03:05] <jatos> btw anyone here use windows as well ubuntu, whether out of choice or because you have to eg work pc's
[03:06] <v-dogg> jatos: _o/
[03:06] <PJeremy> jatos: i do, for games not working in wine/cedega
[03:07] <caz481> According to the beta kde probelms page, it says to lock the arts packages.  How do I lock a package?
[03:11] <jatos> ah
[03:11] <jatos> to be honest, cedega sucks big time
[03:12] <jatos> some may argue thats my opinion but with experiences, I have good grounds
[03:12] <PJeremy> jatos: well, it supports the wrong games for me...
[03:14] <murray_> hello ... how'd you trigger suspend to ram/disk, once you've enabled it in the system settings -> acpi ?
[03:17] <buz> can anyone explain why http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php points to the beta2 repository?
[03:18] <nalioth> buz: it is a misprint
[03:18] <buz> copy paste it seems
[03:18] <buz> so i can just use http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1 ?
[03:19] <buz> yeah that seems to work
[03:19] <nalioth> !kde3.5
[03:19] <ubotu> hmm... kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[03:19] <buz> yeah i figured that by trial and error ;)
[03:20] <buz> lets hope arts is fixed
[03:20] <nalioth> pin it
[03:20] <botein> hi
[03:22] <v-dogg> how do I unmount usb memory stick from kde?
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: how did you mount it?
[03:23] <v-dogg> just plugged it in
[03:23] <botein> Today there was an anouncement that a new kde version had been released.
[03:24] <botein> The link in this post looks wrong to me
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: there should be a system menu right next to the kde menu on your taskbar, go to media.
[03:24] <nalioth> !kde3.5
[03:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: once you are in media:// in konqueror just right click the device and choose to remove safely.
[03:25] <botein> @ubotu the repo is not yet complete
[03:25] <v-dogg> LeeJunFan: thank you very much
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> np.
[03:25] <v-dogg> I'm begining to like this... :)
[03:26] <v-dogg> what's the current KDE version?
[03:27] <botein> upstream or kubuntu?
[03:27] <nalioth> pin arts
[03:27] <v-dogg> kubuntu
[03:27] <v-dogg> ie. what kde version am I using :)
[03:27] <botein> breezy has 3.4.3
[03:28] <LeeJunFan> anybody running kubuntu inside vmware RC with linux as a host? I need to setup 2 kubuntu's in vmware to start work on a remote X server client.
[03:30] <acvardar> Hello, I am having a weird problem about internet speed. pages loads extremely slow on Konqueror, is there any setting I have to play with? approximately it tkaes 2 minutes to open google.com on a 1.5 Mbit connection while on the same computer running XP loads the page in just a second.
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: I wonder if it's a deeper networking problem, that doesn't make sense, and no you shouldn't have to set anything special up.
[03:32] <nalioth> acvardar: have you restarted all your networking devices?
[03:33] <acvardar> hmm not, maybe i should restart the adls modem, i will eb back shortly.
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: try pinging your gateway IP from a command line with this 'sudo ping -c 500 -i .002 -s 1472 [gateway ip] ' and make sure the pings aren't dropping or getting high latency.
[03:34] <nalioth> acvardar: let it sit for at least 2 minutes, and unplug any routers you may have also
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> anyone know if ATI has a driver that compiles clean on 2.6.14 yet?
[03:35] <acvardar> i tried that ping and it is extremely nice speed
[03:36] <acvardar> 500 packaets transmitted adn 500 received , 0 lost, time 2100ms
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: well, it doesn't seem like it could be a network problem then, but you may as well rule it out and try restarting everything.
[03:36] <botein> @LeeJunFan would be interesting. Isn't 2.6.14 dapper goal?
[03:37] <acvardar> i will eb back after modem restart.
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> botein: I dunno, I haven't started using dapper just yet, maybe next weekend :)
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: your pings are a little higher than mine
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: nevermind. they are still way low.
[03:38] <v-dogg> and one more question (for now): how can I (down)load new locales/languages to kubuntu?
[03:39] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: adept should take care of that for you.
[03:39] <v-dogg> I'm now using US English but I'd like to try my own language too
[03:40] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: what is your native language? Just curious, your grammer seems very good for english not being your native :)
[03:41] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: not surprising is it?
[03:42] <v-dogg> LeeJunFan: Finnish
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: for some it is, I'm used to non-english people phrasing more like yoda.
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: mostly middle eastern and asian do that though.
[03:43] <v-dogg> haha
[03:43] <cvardar> i am back and still having the sam e problem
[03:43] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: offtopic: the american school system sucks harshly /offtopic
[03:43] <cvardar> it takes decades to load jus t apage
[03:46] <cvardar> anybody has an idea in order to find the source of the problem ?
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: install wget if you don't already have it.
[03:46] <nalioth> cvardar: do you have a livecd?
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: I'm going to setup a test for you.
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: that's too obvious. :)
[03:46] <cvardar> no i do not have it right here just installed kubuntu 5.10 but if needed i cna downlaod
[03:46] <angelusco> heyall
[03:47] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: but easy
[03:47] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: yeah, see if you can sudo apt-get install wget
[03:49] <angelusco> why my web sites doesn't look like in windogs
[03:49] <cvardar> ye sit succeded setted up wget 1.20-2ubuntu0.1
[03:49] <angelusco> i mean, i tried to enter to some web site and it doesn't look fine, somethings are out of their places and i can't c some java applet
[03:49] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: once you have that installed 'wget -O /dev/null http://www.skycon.net/test.img' that will download a 10MB test image from my server and dump it to /dev/null so you won't really be saving it. Basically just using wget to test your speed to rule out if it's a connection thing or just konqueror.
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: you don't have to download the whole thing, you can hit crtl-c after you let it go for 20 seconds or so, just make note of the speed wget is downloading at.
[03:51] <LjL> LeeJunFan: to test connection speed, I'd use axel and download a file that has many mirrors, so that download speed won't be influenced by the specific host or network one is downloading from
[03:51] <cvardar> for last 20 seconds it says resolving www.skycon.net
[03:52] <cvardar> now ia m downlaodin gwith 159 K/s
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: that might be your problem. your DNS settings don't seem happy.
[03:52] <cvardar> so it seems resolving the addres tkaes barely 30 seconds or so
[03:52] <v-dogg> I changed the language to Finnish and logged out but wasn't able to log back in because the keyboard stoped working
[03:52] <cvardar> i guess so, 
[03:52] <v-dogg> rebooting solved it
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: if you cat /etc/resolv.conf what do you see there?
[03:52] <v-dogg> and now I'm using Finnish kubuntu
[03:52] <v-dogg> and it seems to rock :)
[03:53] <cvardar> i see nameserver 192.168.1.1
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> angelusco: that's a side effect of people who design pages and don't care if the pages meet standards, as long as they test it in IE and it look okay for them they figure it must be okay for everyone.
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: and I suspect you are using DHCP on your network to configure your networking?
[03:55] <cvardar> yes i do, but i cna avoid it .
[03:55] <cvardar> doe sit make sense?
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: well, if your windows box uses DHCP too then it should be using the same settings for DNS, and if so then it doesn't make sense why it would take so long to resolve with linux.
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: maybe your windows box has the DNS settings for your provider manually entered in?
[03:57] <cvardar> lets try to assing fixed ip, to isee if it will change something. actually all other 3 monuters uses dhcp without problem here
[03:57] <angelusco> leejunfan, so i won't c that page fine... well, np i hate when people do that, to make a web just for ie
[03:58] <angelusco> is there something like macromedia flash or even better the macromedia flash for linux ?
[03:58] <PJeremy> does anyone here use Opera?
[03:59] <angelusco> pjeremy, i don't
[03:59] <LjL> PJeremy: used to, but long ago
[03:59] <PJeremy> opera can't find operamotifwrapper-3.. even after i installed libmotif-3 ..
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: you may also want to install dnsutils which will give you dig, you can troubleshoot all DNS problems nicely with that.
[04:02] <cvardar> it seems dns utils already isntalled but i never used it. also tried from system settings>netwrok settings, to change the ip manually but they ar enot editable even after clicking on administrator mode and entering password still uneditable from GUI
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> try this, 'dig @192.168.1.1 www.twin-valley.net' and see how long it takes.
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: you can edit resolv.conf with a text editor like 'sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf' and change the nameserver IP, but when your DHCP renews itself, or you reboot it will over-write it.
[04:07] <cvardar> dig command took 9 seconds. 
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> yeah, that's too long. should be milliseconds, doesn't make much sense though.
[04:08] <cvardar> how can i assign a static ip to this machine?
[04:08] <cvardar> i can assign ip addresses to win xp computers here they work as theyy were workign with dhcp.
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: well, I don't do much config stuff by GUI, being a server admin :) but you can edit /etc/network/interfaces, a manual is available 'man interfaces'
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> what brand of router is at 192.168.1.1
[04:09] <cvardar> it would be my pleasure to override the GUI ;)
[04:09] <cvardar> it is a netopia adsl modem
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> It really makes no sense at all that it would resolv a host for windows faster than it would for linux unless there's something wrong with the router itself, any firmware updates available for it?
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: you have other windows machines running there now? try running 'ipconfig /all' from a cmd window and see what it lists for DNS servers.
[04:12] <cvardar> aha, here i have entered dns manually to this xp running pc
[04:13] <cvardar> but on my laptop also running xpo and conencted to the same router it has automatic settings and gateway,dhcp and the dns is 192.168.1.1
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: it sounds to me like the DNS servers either entered into your router, or the ones it gets from your provider has a dead one in the list and it's taking time to timeout on that dead one until it tries a working one.
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: maybe check your router config, what DNS servers are listed there?
[04:15] <cvardar> i think you pointed an inportant point now, what i see from routers info page is: Primary DNS Server
[04:15] <cvardar>  212.147.20.207
[04:15] <cvardar> Unavailable
[04:15] <cvardar>  Secondary DNS Server
[04:15] <cvardar>  212.147.10.10
[04:15] <cvardar> rs01.vtx.ch
[04:15] <cvardar> 
[04:16] <cvardar> so the first one seems unavailable
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: yup.
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> dig @212.147.20.207 www.google.com
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> and watch it complain, then try the other and it works fine. I'd just make your secondary your primary and delete the primary for now, you don't need 2 to operate.
[04:19] <hussam> should I upgrade to kde 3.5 when it is out, or should I wait for dapper?
[04:20] <cvardar> 212.147.10.10 works at perfect speed, 212.147.20.207 is not working.
[04:20] <cvardar> :)
[04:20] <cvardar> i will do that thank you !!! but still there exist a question why does not this make a problem in xp and make sproblem in kubuntu ?
[04:21] <nalioth> hussam: beta software can sometimes be nasty
[04:22] <hussam> nalioth: then I probably should stick to kde 3.4.3 and wait for dapper to get 3.5
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> Only thing I can think is that windows has a very short timeout for dns resolution.
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: so it's there, just not as noticable
[04:23] <nalioth> hussam: good idea
[04:23] <atidem> hello world
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> atidem: wrong window, this isn't your IDE :)
[04:23] <atidem> lol
[04:24] <atidem> ok I restart
[04:24] <atidem> hello people
[04:24] <atidem> is it better?
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> hi :)
[04:24] <_marcel> atidem: programmers start in irc :)
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> could be worse, I put my root password in this channel last week :)
[04:25] <atidem> I just installed kubuntu
[04:25] <atidem> nice distro
[04:25] <_marcel> atidem: congratulations
[04:25] <atidem> but after upgrade 
[04:26] <atidem> no icons devices on storage media
[04:26] <hussam> LeeJunFan: may I please have that root password again. Your IP address may also help :)
[04:26] <hussam> LeeJunFan: just kidding
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> hussam: yeah, sure it's w!ngchun
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> :) of course it WAS.
[04:27] <atidem> what's the problem?
[04:27] <olivier> de que hablas??
[04:27] <atidem> I have searched in the net
[04:27] <atidem> but not finded a solution
[04:27] <hussam> atidem: that's intentional. media:\ will only show mounted removable media
[04:28] <acvardar> hey guys, bad news... my problem about slow page laoding still persists.
[04:28] <atidem> but in a clean install in media:\ icons are present
[04:28] <atidem> ?
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: no soup for you!
[04:28] <olivier> ??
[04:28] <nalioth> olivier: pardon?
[04:28] <olivier> english?
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: make sure your router actually saved the changes befor you rebooted.
[04:28] <angelusco> si oliver, este canal es en ingles =)
[04:29] <nalioth> olivier: quiero canal en espaol?
[04:29] <acvardar> ye sit has saved i suppose, i repbooted router and the linux pc.
[04:29] <hussam> atidem: yes, on a clean install. but an update was released after that to change the behaviour. It's a hal integration thing
[04:29] <angelusco> oliver si quieres en espaol puedes ir a #kubunto-es
[04:29] <acvardar> Primary DNS Server
[04:29] <acvardar>  212.147.10.10
[04:29] <acvardar> rs01.vtx.ch
[04:29] <acvardar>  Secondary DNS Server
[04:29] <acvardar>  212.147.0.1
[04:29] <acvardar> any.0.147.212.vtx.ch
[04:29] <acvardar> 
[04:29] <olivier> gracias
[04:29] <nalioth> acvardar: dude, the pasting is killin us
[04:29] <atidem> and how can I show them on desktop? just create a link on them?
[04:29] <angelusco> de nada
[04:29] <acvardar> sorry, wont repat ;)
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: dig @212.147.0.1 www.google.com
[04:31] <atidem> acvardar: check if ip6v is enabled
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: that one doesn't seem to be answering DNS queries, at least not for me.
[04:31] <atidem> probably it slows your machine conncection
[04:31] <atidem> *connection
[04:31] <bobesponja> angelusco: kubuntu-es is empty
[04:31] <olivier> en franais
[04:32] <acvardar> ok 212.147.0.1 is not working, but if that is the reason why does this machien always finds the unworking dns server ? :) atidem: how can i disable or how can i knwo if it is enabled?
[04:32] <bobesponja> olivier: kubuntu-fr
[04:33] <bobesponja> olivier: #kubuntu-fr
[04:33] <atidem> lsmod | grep ipv6
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: just for the sake of testing 'sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf' and change your nameserver to 212.147.10.10. Then try.
[04:33] <olivier> merci
[04:33] <angelusco> bobesponja, nop there is some people
[04:33] <bobesponja> angelusco: ah yeah but you sent #kubunto-es :) look up
[04:33] <bobesponja> with an O
[04:33] <atidem> mmm, hibernate doesnt work on my inspiron 6000
[04:34] <angelusco> hahah lol, sorry
[04:34] <angelusco> my bad =)
[04:34] <atidem> echo -n disk > /sys/power/state
[04:34] <atidem> shutdown pc
[04:34] <bobesponja> angelusco: it looks like olivier is french anyway
[04:34] <atidem> but I can 't reverse process
[04:34] <olivier> yes i am
[04:34] <angelusco> bobesponja, ok ;)
[04:35] <atidem> is there someone whit same machine on channel?
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> atidem: so it's suspends but won't resume?
[04:35] <atidem> nope
[04:35] <angelusco> i luv this kubuntu rooms, nice peeps
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> atidem: you may need to add resume=/dev/hdaX to your boot params in /boot/grub/menu.lst - where X would be the partition # your swap is on.
[04:36] <atidem> Do I add it on kernel's line?
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> yeah
[04:37] <atidem> I try, thanks for advice
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> This is mine: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.14 root=/dev/hda5 resume=/dev/hda8 ro
[04:37] <acvardar> LeeJunFan: hwo to save and exit from this editor?
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> ctrl-x
[04:38] <bobesponja> does anyone know why arts from rc1 is not working? and if I still need to use beta1 package?
[04:39] <acvardar> haha :) nwo working in perfect order do i need to do this tricky thing on every bootup if one of the dnses is not working listed on the router?
[04:40] <atidem> LeeJunFan: the same option is used by suspend to ram?
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> atidem: no, suspend to ram does not use disk
[04:41] <atidem> ok
[04:41] <klaaner-libby> Hi :-) I'd like to use gtk(2)-engines-geramik, but after installing that package, it doesn't appear in the KDE control center in GTK styles and fonts. What must I do?
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: sorry - missed your post.
[04:47] <atidem> it doesnt work
[04:47] <atidem> :-(
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: well, after your DHCP lease expires your system will renew from the router and use 192.168.1.1 again.
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: or you could edit /etc/network/interfaces and set a static IP instead of using dhcp and just have your resolv.conf setup to use the real DNS servers instead of your router anyway.
[04:48] <acvardar> can we say that it is a bug that has not been solved in this linux? because in windows we had no such issue when any of the dns servers fails to operate if othe rone operates system works.
[04:49] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell jeppe about repositories
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: I honestly don't know how your router handles it, it may be a bug in the way your router is doing it that windows is more tolerant of because of it's loose implementation of standards.
[04:52] <acvardar> :)
[04:52] <atidem> acvardar: try ifdown ethZ, ifup ethZ
[04:53] <atidem> Z is the number of your net interface
[04:53] <brodel> does kubuntu not come with firefox?
[04:54] <atidem> you have to install it
[04:54] <atidem> use adept
[04:55] <brodel> I am thinking of switching to kubuntu from ubuntu
[04:55] <brodel> I downloaded the live CD and was surprised not to see it
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: i think it does come with it
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: dunno about the live cd tho
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: in any case, what's the problem if it doesn't come with it?
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: it's as easily installed as any other package
[04:55] <brodel> well I'm a newbie :\
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: aptitude install firefox
[04:56] <LjL> brodel: are you running from the live cd right now?
[04:56] <brodel> some stuff I haven't been able to get installed in ubuntu
[04:56] <brodel> no
[04:56] <nalioth> brodel: just install the "ubuntu-desktop" package, no need to d/l another iso image
[04:56] <brodel> I am running from my ubuntu laptop
[04:56] <nalioth> or kubuntu-desktop, woops
[04:56] <LjL> brodel: please do "aptitude install kubuntu-desktop", don't use apt-get
[04:56] <LjL> brodel: otherwise, it will be very hard to remove it if you even happen to want to remove it
[04:56] <LjL> even=ever
[04:56] <brodel> ljl, you mean in my ubuntu laptop?
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: yes. that will install kubuntu, even though it will also leave ubuntu's gnome desktop isntalled
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: you'll have to remove gnome manually later
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> hrm, my konversation froze. 
[04:57] <brodel> well that's sweet
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: i can help you through that
[04:57] <brodel> Can I try both on the same laptop?
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: i think it will still be easier than reformatting and downloading the Kubuntu cd
[04:57] <brodel> go back and forth till I figure out which I want?
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: yeah, they aren't separate distributions
[04:58] <brodel> ha.. that's awesome. 
[04:58] <LjL> brodel: kubuntu = kde, ubuntu = gnome
[04:58] <brodel> I google and all I find is idiots arguing over which is better.. I just want solid facts to help me decide.. got tired of looking 
[04:58] <LjL> brodel: look, just try "aptitude install kubuntu-desktop", if you want my opinion. you can very easily roll back to the previous state later
[04:59] <brodel> ok. It's going
[04:59] <LjL> brodel: (namely, "aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop" will do the trick)
[05:00] <LjL> brodel: just keep in mind that what you'll see won't be exactly like what you'd see if you installed a fresh Kubuntu: namely, you'll still see all your Gnome (=Ubuntu) apps in the menus
[05:00] <LjL> brodel: that can look a bit confusing. still, all of Kubuntu will be there
[05:00] <Chippie83> I've got a stupid question, but how do I get the w32-codecs for Kubuntu breezy?
[05:00] <LjL> !w32codecs
[05:00] <ubotu> I guess w32codecs is for w32codecs in Breezy visit http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[05:01] <Chippie83> thanks! that's what i needed :-)
[05:01] <LjL> Chippie83: you can just download it and "dpkg -i" it, without even adding the repository, if you prefer
[05:02] <brodel> LjL, does it ask me to pick what I want on boot or what?
[05:02] <LjL> brodel: there's nothing to chose at boot. you can choose when you login into X-Windows
[05:02] <nalioth> brodel: at the login, click "sessions"
[05:02] <brodel> ahh ok
[05:03] <brodel> I figured I wasl already in gnome when I got to the login
[05:03] <brodel> I have so much to learn :\
[05:03] <LjL> brodel: in a way, you are, because your login is managed by GDM (the Gnome Display Manager)
[05:03] <LjL> brodel: but you can still login into KDE from GDM
[05:03] <nalioth> brodel: when it asks you about kdm (it'll be a window) stick with gdm
[05:03] <LjL> brodel: or, you can set it to boot into KDM (the KDE Display Manager)
[05:03] <atidem> Chippie83: ftp.merim.net
[05:03] <Chippie83> ok
[05:04] <brodel> I had no idea you could put them both on here though. That's very cool
[05:04] <atidem> add to your source file
[05:04] <nalioth> atidem: please dont advise that
[05:04] <nalioth> atidem: debian binaries will break ubuntu
[05:04] <Chippie83> ok, that's no problem...have used ubuntu first, then I've used SUSE but now I'm back to Kubuntu
[05:05] <atidem> break ubuntu?
[05:05] <atidem> what it does mean?
[05:05] <nalioth> Chippie83: use official ubuntu repos, only please. debian binaries will break ubuntu
[05:05] <nalioth> atidem: ubuntu and debian are NOT binary compatible
[05:05] <slow-motion_> bbl
[05:05] <Chippie83> ok
[05:05] <atidem> hein?
[05:06] <atidem> I dont believe so
[05:06] <LjL> brodel: a word of warning: if you're like me, you'll be frustrated by the default KDE look and feel and working. keep in mind that KDE is, on average, way more configurable than Gnome, so you can change most of the way it works (i mean, you can change a lot of stuff in Gnome as well, just not as much IMHO)
[05:06] <nalioth> atidem: having that repo you advised in your sources.list will have bad consequences
[05:06] <atidem> kubuntu is derived by debian
[05:06] <brodel> well IMO KDE looked much better than gnome does on my current laptop. 
[05:07] <LjL> atidem: still they're not binary compatible
[05:07] <atidem> it use the same package management
[05:07] <nalioth> atidem: k/ubuntu is based on debian source code., it is not binary compatible
[05:07] <atidem> first time I hear that
[05:08] <brodel> not that I'm in a rush, but how big is this package I'm downloading for KDE?
[05:09] <LjL> brodel: big
[05:09] <atidem> nalioth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[05:09] <brodel> hehe ok
[05:09] <LjL> brodel: some 300meg, if i recall correctly
[05:09] <brodel> damn
[05:09] <LjL> brodel: well what did you except, they come in separate cds after all :)
[05:09] <brodel> still smaller than downloading the kubuntu ISO
[05:09] <LjL> yep
[05:10] <brodel> Live CD was cool. Just takes too long to boot when I'm out to play with it.
[05:10] <LjL> atidem: that link says debian packages are 'not* compatible
[05:11] <atidem> I know
[05:11] <atidem> but read comment
[05:11] <LjL> brodel: and is a bit too limited to treally try out the power of the system
[05:12] <LjL> atidem: well, anyway, the packages from debian that i did try to install did not work. it's possibly true that the instructions contained in that comment will avoid breaking your system badly, but still
[05:13] <nalioth> atidem: do you know how many people see that page?
[05:14] <LjL> nalioth: the ones who can use google, i.e. probably 10 per country? :)
[05:15] <atidem> it's not my problem nalioth 
[05:15] <LjL> atidem: go on and install debian packages, if you know what you're doing. still, you understand that it's not too good to advice it to people
[05:16] <tiepido> ciao
[05:16] <LjL> ciao
[05:16] <LjL> !it
[05:16] <ubotu> italiano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)
[05:16] <LjL> ah-em
[05:16] <tiepido> qualcuno parla italiano?
[05:16] <nalioth> atidem: yes, please advise folks to see the page you showed me, if they insist on debian repos
[05:17] <LjL> tiepido: qui si parla inglese, se no viene fuori un macello. su #ubuntu-it puoi parlare italiano
[05:17] <nalioth> atidem: there is no reason to have debian repos, anyway
[05:17] <atidem> I installed on my system multimedia package from that repo and it works
[05:18] <nalioth> atidem: did you use the pinning?
[05:19] <LjL> nalioth: don't be so drastic, there *are* some packages one (I) might want to install from debian reps :)
[05:19] <atidem> yes
[05:19] <atidem> I'm looking at /etc/inittab
[05:20] <nalioth> bah we are way off topic here
[05:20] <cvardar> sorry, mirc restarted abnormally, if anybody replied to my post about static hibernate image can he/she please resend?
[05:20] <LjL> atidem: well, for that particular package it makes no sense to install it from a debian rep, even if it worked for you. there is seveas' rep that has it, so let's just use that
[05:20] <brodel> ok, it's done downloading :)
[05:20] <nalioth> LjL: atidem: i advise folks to add deb-src lines and have apt-get build themselves packages that way
[05:20] <brodel> which do you think I should use as the default display manager/
[05:20] <brodel> and how hard is that to change later?
[05:21] <LjL> nalioth: yes, that's a good idea. even though for the package i'm thinking about, that didn't work
[05:21] <nalioth> LjL: really?
[05:21] <nalioth> brodel: gdm
[05:21] <LjL> brodel: i use KDM, but simply because i don't have (or want to have) Gnome installed
[05:21] <LjL> brodel: anyway, it's easy as a piece of cacke to change it
[05:21] <LjL> brodel: "dpkg-reconfigure gdm" or "dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[05:22] <brodel> god.. how do you guys remember all these commands
[05:22] <brodel> I'll use gdm for now I guess
[05:22] <LjL> nalioth: yeah. Qalculate. i ended up compiling from the author's original sources. but anyway, i've filed a backports request for it
[05:22] <nalioth> brodel: i've been doing this linux thing for 18 years
[05:22] <LjL> brodel: well, sometimes i simply *don't* remember them....
[05:22] <brodel> ohhh haha ok then
[05:22] <brodel> I have tried linux like 100 times
[05:22] <nalioth> no, bad math
[05:23] <LjL> brodel: anyway, "man" is your friend. try typing "man -k something", where "something" is a keyword you'd like to know about
[05:23] <brodel> Always ended up getting too frustrated and formatting it
[05:23] <nalioth> bah i'm no good at math
[05:23] <LjL> brodel: you should get some help from people. learning linux all alone ain't a good idea, for what i'm concerned
[05:23] <brodel> Only help I have is the net.
[05:23] <brodel> which is why I'm here hehe
[05:24] <LjL> yep, suppose so ;)
[05:24] <brodel> seems that package still has work to do.. I selected gdm and now it's off doin more
[05:25] <LjL> brodel: at a certain point during the install, it asks you to choose which display manager to use. but that doesn't mean the install has finished
[05:26] <brodel> If I decide to use KDE, you don't think I should reinstall with kubuntu? I am used to windows where a major change like that would cause it to die or slow considerably
[05:26] <brodel> oh.. it's done :)
[05:26] <nalioth> brodel: this is not windows
[05:26] <brodel> I know.
[05:27] <nalioth> brodel: the only similarities between linux and windows is the hardware
[05:27] <brodel> I'm just stuck in that mindset. It's what I've been doing for a long time.
[05:27] <nalioth> brodel: break the mindset
[05:27] <brodel> I'm tryin :)
[05:27] <nalioth> unlearn you must, unlearn
[05:28] <brodel> ok, so it's done installing.. should I just log out and click sessions and see KDE?
[05:28] <nalioth> brodel: please do
[05:28] <bhna> nalioth: and the depency-hell ;-)
[05:28] <LjL> nalioth: and the default looks of window managers and things like that, too
[05:28] <nalioth> brodel: the kde irc client is konversation iirc
[05:28] <brodel> brb then
[05:29] <LjL> nalioth: and also the "AARRGGHHG I HATE THIS THING" factor, at times
[05:30] <nalioth> hate what thing?
[05:30] <LjL> the computer, the OS
[05:30] <LjL> but don't listen to me, i was an AmigaOS user
[05:31] <cvardar> do i need to get any package son top of standard isntallation of kubuntu to listen to mp3 files?
[05:31] <LjL> !mp3
[05:31] <brodel> sweeet
[05:31] <brodel> :D
[05:32] <LjL> uh
[05:32] <nalioth> uh oh
[05:32] <LjL> brodel: works?
[05:32] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cvardar about mp3
[05:32] <brodel> seems to :)
[05:32] <LjL> nalioth: done already in a privmsg, don't worry
[05:32] <LjL> nalioth: ubotu did reply to my "!mp3", it just did it in a query to me
[05:33] <brodel> Can I resize desktop icons? I just moved the edges in gnome.. not sure how to do it in KDE
[05:33] <LjL> nalioth: now what does ubotu querying me have to do with the fattening of it? :o)
[05:33] <LjL> brodel: uh, not sure
[05:33] <LjL> brodel: yeah
[05:33] <nalioth> !mp3
[05:33] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:33] <strat50s> hi
[05:34] <LjL> brodel: settings / appearence and look / icons
[05:34] <LjL> !mp3
[05:34] <LjL> bof
[05:34] <LjL> still keeps replying in query
[05:34] <strat50s> excuse, I have installed kubuntu right now... any way to automatically get icons on the desktop?
[05:35] <strat50s> !icons
[05:35] <ubotu> If you have missing icons after upgrading to Breezy, change theme at System -> Preferences -> Theme
[05:35] <bhna> !java
[05:35] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:35] <LjL> oh no wait, he just complained to me that "someone already said that 20 seconds ago"
[05:35] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> does anybody here knows how i can set a variable in a shellscript to the value in a file + another var?
[05:35] <strat50s> !desktop
[05:35] <ubotu> strat50s: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:36] <strat50s> k sorry
[05:36] <strat50s> :p
[05:36] <nalioth> strat50s: dont !fish !please
[05:36] <strat50s> ok
[05:36] <brodel> roger that
[05:36] <brodel> so far so good
[05:37] <LjL> brodel: do you by any chance like macos-style menus that are on the top of the screen instead of stupidly inside the applications' windows? :)
[05:37] <brodel> not sure what you mean
[05:38] <LjL> brodel: "File", "Edit", "View" and so on... MacOS and other systems have them on top of the screen. they're more easily reachable with the mouse, and you save screen space, 'cause only one menu bar is shown
[05:38] <nalioth> LjL: how do you get those?
[05:39] <LjL> nalioth: right click on the desktop, "Configure desktop", and "MacOS-style". don't be fooled by the ugly appearence, the menubar is actually a panel, and you can add all applets and stuff to it
[05:39] <LjL> nalioth: only, the weird thing is that you can't have the menubar on the *main* panel. it's weird because you could in previous KDE versions, there was a "Menubar" applet (it's actually still there, but it's set as "hidden", and indeed it doesn't work correctly)
[05:40] <nalioth> LjL: and that'll take all the context menus up to the bar?
[05:40] <LjL> nalioth: no, not the context menus, those will still come up with a right click... the main application menus
[05:40] <LjL> nalioth: "File", "Edit", and all
[05:40] <brodel> maybe I'm just an idiot. I don't see the difference with menus nor do I see a Mac OS style in there :\
[05:41] <nalioth> cool
[05:41] <nalioth> brodel: dont worry about it
[05:41] <nalioth> brodel: it'll make you crazy if you aren't used to it
[05:41] <brodel> I have enough to get used to with all this stuff for now I guess. 
[05:41] <LjL> brodel: sorry, i wasn't specific. you should go to the "behavior" tab, and you'll find it there
[05:41] <LjL> nalioth: nah, they're easy :)
[05:42] <brodel> ahh.. now I see it
[05:43] <brodel> that's weird
[05:43] <bhna> LjL wich applet do you mean?
[05:43] <LjL> brodel: one advantage of it is that you can be much less precise with the mouse, to hit your menus... you can just crank your mouse to the top of the screen
[05:43] <cvardar> anybody has an idea about static hibernate image?
[05:44] <LjL> bhna: right click on the panel; "Add to panel"; "Applet"; "Menubar". but you won't really find that applet, unless you edit a .desktop file somewhere, as it's been set to hidden
[05:44] <slow-motion> re
[05:44] <brodel> it seems like things can be smaller here
[05:45] <LjL> brodel: what do you mean?
[05:45] <brodel> with gnome everything looked bigger if that makes ANY sense
[05:45] <brodel> It always got on my nerves that all my windows had to be so big.. 
[05:45] <LjL> brodel: actually, no, not to me :) actually, one of the things i dislike of KDE's default look is that everything is way too big! ;)
[05:45] <bhna> LjL but there is no need for this applet. i have all the things in the main menubar 
[05:45] <LjL> bhna: ?
[05:46] <bla|patrick> someone here using ati drivers?
[05:46] <LjL> bhna: i'm not sure i understand what you mean, but, yes, you can put applets and stuff on the menubar, but you must keep a "main panel" somewhere (i keep it very small and hidden in a corner)
[05:46] <brodel> ok, so how do I make it smaller? like I have gaim open.. the text is small enough.. but I want the window to be smaller and I can't drag it down any more.
[05:46] <bla|patrick> need help
[05:46] <nalioth> bla|patrick: no pasting in here, either
[05:47] <bla|patrick> nalioth, where should i paste it then?
[05:47] <LjL> bhna: and the "menubar panel" just doesn't integrate correctly with other KDE panels. it doesn't show up in the config, etc
[05:47] <bla|patrick> have lost my bookmarks
[05:47] <nalioth> !paste
[05:47] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[05:47] <LjL> bhna: the older behavior was just saner
[05:47] <bla|patrick> kk
[05:47] <bla|patrick> well... nalioth: why is the ati string not there?
[05:47] <bla|patrick> i dont get it
[05:47] <LjL> brodel: oh, you meant that... well, that's application specific, AFAIK you can't change that kind of behavior
[05:47] <bla|patrick> followed any tutorial i found until now
[05:47] <nalioth> bla|patrick: i dont know anything bout ati
[05:48] <brodel> ahh ok
[05:48] <bla|patrick> i guess its not a ati problem
[05:48] <bhna> LjL: the baghira package has such a applet.
[05:48] <bla|patrick> there must be something weired in the system!
[05:49] <LjL> bhna: tried it, but it doesn't work, at least not without tweaking. but anyway, baghira is an add-on, the applet should be in KDE, and it actually *used to* be in KDE... i hope it's just a temporary problem. perhaps it's even right back again in KDE 3.5
[05:49] <LjL> brodel: anything you'd like to configure and change and stuff?
[05:49] <brodel> Wouldn't know where to start.. I'm just toying around in the menus now
[05:50] <brodel> I do think I like this better than gnome though. 
[05:50] <nalioth> brodel: xubuntu tomorrow, then?
[05:50] <LjL> brodel: i see... as i said, the menus will be a bit confusing, as you still have all the Gnome apps hanging around in them
[05:50] <LjL> oh, by the way, i ought to install KDE 3.5rc1
[05:50] <brodel> gnome seemed to be more popular so I just said hey I'll use that one.
[05:51] <brodel> nalioth: what's xubuntu?
[05:51] <PJeremy> how do i get the icons in the menubar to get bigger when i move the cursor over them, like in kanotix?
[05:51] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[05:51] <ubotu> [xubuntu]  Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[05:51] <LjL> brodel: i don't know if gnome is actually more popular... it certainly is with Ubuntu, since it comes with it and was Gnome-based originally, but...
[05:51] <LjL> brodel: it has to be said that many major distributions use Gnome by default
[05:51] <brodel> well my main concern since I am a major linux newbie is getting support for it when I get stuck.
[05:51] <brodel> so I went with what I thought I could get help easier on.
[05:52] <LjL> PJeremy: i'm afraid that behavior has been removed in the latest versions of KDE. i'm not sure if it can be turned back in...
[05:52] <bhna> LjL: the menuapplet.desktop is still there and not hidden?
[05:52] <LjL> brodel: that shouldn't be a concern, i think
[05:52] <LjL> bhna: you mean where? in 3.5?
[05:52] <nalioth> LjL: kubuntu or kde?
[05:52] <bhna> LjL: in kde 3.4.3
[05:52] <PJeremy> LjL: meh :( i enjoyed it when i reinstalled grub with a kanotix-cd yesterday
[05:52] <LjL> nalioth: what?
[05:52] <LjL> bhna: no, in 3.4.3 it's hidden and not working
[05:53] <bhna> LjL: /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets
[05:53] <nalioth> LjL: the fancy expanding icons on mouseover are not in kubuntu or kde?
[05:53] <bhna> LjL: what do you mean with hidden? i can see it.
[05:53] <PJeremy> LjL: do you know what that behaviour was called so i can ask in #kde ?
[05:53] <LjL> PJeremy: well, i read an article by a KDE developer somewhere who said he would remove the big-icons behaviour... but then maybe he's partially changed his mind, and that behavior can still be activated. dunno, look around
[05:53] <brodel> can I make the title bars smaller? Like here where it says "konversation" 
[05:54] <LjL> bhna: look at the second line in that file, it says "Hidden=true"
[05:54] <LjL> brodel: yeah
[05:54] <LjL> brodel: settings / appearence and stuff / windows decorations
[05:55] <bhna> LjL ah! ok
[05:55] <LjL> nalioth: i think they're not in KDE anymore, not a Kubuntu specific thing.
[05:55] <LjL> PJeremy: no, i don't
[05:55] <bla|patrick> btw. why is everybody only giving botlinks that dont help in my case
[05:55] <LjL> PJeremy: but i suppose just describing it as "icons magnifying when the mouse hovers over them" would do it :)
[05:55] <bla|patrick> why does nobody listen even one time and give a clue or say that he has no idea
[05:55] <bla|patrick> this is annoying
[05:56] <bla|patrick> today i repeated my story again and again
[05:56] <PJeremy> LjL: hehe, i suppose so :)
[05:56] <bla|patrick> and everytime i got the same useless crap
[05:56] <bla|patrick> :/
[05:56] <LjL> bla|patrick: dunno about the others, but myself, i'm already typing *more* than as fast as i can
[05:56] <nalioth> bla|patrick: there are no ATI volunteers here atm
[05:56] <nalioth> bla|patrick: we are all volunteers
[05:57] <bla|patrick> nalioth, i know, but if i have nothing to add i will say that i have no idea
[05:57] <brodel> LjL: thanks. They should have a tinyER though :)
[05:57] <bla|patrick> i explained that links in forums didnt helped
[05:57] <LjL> brodel: ;-) anyway, you can change your windows decorations, i'm sure there are some that make the titlebar quite small
[05:57] <bla|patrick> nalioth, all i know until now is if i make the installercommand there should be an output of three debs
[05:58] <bla|patrick> but here it only creates a temporary folder and deletes the folder and files afterwards
[05:58] <LjL> bla|patrick: try "B II" for example. perhaps you won't like it, but it *is* small
[05:58] <bla|patrick> this seems not to be related to the ati drivers itself
[05:58] <bla|patrick> the aptget command seems to be inoperable as well...
[05:58] <bla|patrick> :/
[05:58] <bla|patrick> aptget --i URL worked for me in hoary
[05:59] <LjL> bla|patrick: oh, but wait, if you're using the default "Plastik" style, i'm afraid you can't change the title bar size from there... but you can change the titlebar *font*, and i think that will change the size as well
[05:59] <bla|patrick> apt-get
[05:59] <bla|patrick> LjL, ???
[05:59] <LjL> ah-ehm............ my last two sentences were to brodel, not bla|patrick. sorry
[05:59] <bla|patrick> ah :D
[05:59] <bla|patrick> this is confusing me x)
[05:59] <bhna> LjL: i have disable hidden. this applet had the same bohavior as the main menu on top! 
[06:00] <nalioth> kkathman-zzzz: howdy and wakey wakey
[06:00] <LjL> bla|patrick: it's definitely confusing me too :)
[06:00] <brodel> I'm confused..
[06:00] <brodel> I changed to some others..
[06:00] <LjL> bhna: does it? it doesn't work for me... do you have to keep the "MacOS-style" option enabled, or not?
[06:00] <brodel> but now when I go back to KDE2 "tiny" is no longer there as an option.. 
[06:00] <bla|patrick> i dont understand WHY the compiler creates a tempfolder and deletes it afterwards
[06:00] <LjL> brodel: KDE2 isn't what you were using initially. "Plastik" is
[06:00] <nalioth> kkathman: bla|patrick needs some help
[06:01] <brodel> oh..
[06:01] <brodel> hehe there is is.. ::smacks himself::
[06:01] <LjL> brodel: not your fault i'm afraid, i recall it did say "KDE2" over here as well. a tiny bug, i suppose
[06:01] <bla|patrick> in any tutorial i read it was supposed to place 3 debs in the same folder where the installer is
[06:01] <kkathman> llhuh?
[06:01] <bla|patrick> i am a linux newby and anything i can do is reading tutorials to get knowledge
[06:02] <LjL> brodel: but the "tiny" thing in Plastik only changes the *border* of the windows anyway, not the titlebar size
[06:02] <bla|patrick> but what shall i do if my linux behaves totally different from that what is expected?
[06:02] <bhna> LjL: no you have to enable another panel and then the applet.
[06:02] <bla|patrick> *sigh*
[06:02] <LjL> brodel: you really should either try changing your *font* size for titlebars, or switching to another decoration
[06:02] <kkathman> mornin nalioth had to restart my DSL modem..power outage last night :(
[06:02] <LjL> bhna: you mean the applet still can't reside on the main panel?
[06:02] <kkathman> so whats the issue bla|patrick  ?
[06:03] <nalioth> nasty power outages
[06:03] <kkathman> yah
[06:03] <bla|patrick> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation_Guide
[06:03] <bla|patrick> method 2
[06:03] <bla|patrick> 1st removed the old driver
[06:03] <bla|patrick> 2nd installed the compiler
[06:03] <LjL> broderl: oh, also try this: "aptitude install kdeartwork", this should get all the available themes and stuff installed
[06:03] <kkathman> ok
[06:04] <LjL> brodel: you'll have some more to choose from
[06:04] <bla|patrick> made that sh command expecting get those three debs for installing the driver
[06:05] <bla|patrick> but all the terminal say is  that the compiler creates a tmp folder and after processing the installer it deletes it instantly
[06:05] <bla|patrick> no files
[06:05] <bla|patrick> nothing
[06:05] <brodel> bah. went to do terminal and forgot my keyboard shortcut was set in gnome
[06:05] <bla|patrick> i cant explain it better in english
[06:05] <bhna> LjL: you can enable this on the main panel to. then change the behavior. after this your main panel on top is emty and your menu is in the applet.
[06:05] <LjL> brodel: oh, and about terminals... try "aptitude install yakuake", then start it (you should find it in the "Utilities" menu), and then press F12. it's very handy
[06:05] <bla|patrick> i have absolutely no idea why this happens :/
[06:05] <kkathman> bla|patrick: so you were able to download everything ok right?
[06:06] <PJeremy> LjL: you were right about it being removed..
[06:06] <LjL> bhna: let me try it... 1) have "MacOS-style" disabled  2) create another panel   3)  add the applet to a panel   4) enable "MacOS-style"    is this correct?
[06:06] <bla|patrick> ya... downloaded the 8.19.10 thing for x86
[06:06] <bhna> LjL: yes
[06:07] <bla|patrick> and then i made a i was tolded n that
[06:07] <kkathman> bla|patrick:  In that method you got as far as the sudo sh ??
[06:07] <jmwagner> hoi
[06:07] <bla|patrick> i wonder why it uses gcc 3.4 although breezy was supposed to have gcc4
[06:07] <bla|patrick> jap...
[06:07] <bhna> LjL: you have ti change the second line to Hidden=false
[06:07] <bla|patrick> sudo sh *driver* --buildpkg breezy
[06:07] <nalioth> bla|patrick: the kernel was compiled using 3.4
[06:07] <bla|patrick> kk
[06:07] <kkathman> bla|patrick: that doesnt matter
[06:07] <bla|patrick> so thats not the reason
[06:08] <LjL> bhna: yes, of course
[06:08] <bla|patrick> gcc3.4 is part of defaul-setup
[06:08] <kkathman> ok... bla|patrick what happened when youdid the sudo sh ???  any errors?
[06:08] <LjL> bhna: it does seem to work, with those steps in the right order
[06:08] <LjL> bhna: i'll try logging out and back in to see if it stays
[06:08] <jmwagner> just set up kubuntu
[06:08] <jmwagner> <---
[06:09] <jmwagner> its kool
[06:09] <jmwagner> and real easy and good to install
[06:09] <brodel> I don't see yakuake in utilities 
[06:09] <jmwagner> not that much useless progs as debian
[06:09] <jmwagner> but i need help
[06:09] <kkathman> brodel get it from the repos
[06:09] <bla|patrick> !paste
[06:09] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:10] <jmwagner> i havent set a admin-password during install - how could i know it now i want to install some packages?
[06:10] <brodel> I just installed it using aptitude
[06:10] <jmwagner> hm
[06:10] <LjL> bhna: still works
[06:10] <brodel> nm.. it's under system
[06:10] <LjL> bhna: i've also tried moving the menubar to another panel, and it works flawlessly
[06:10] <bla|patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4419
[06:10] <kkathman> brodel do a:   whereis yakualke....its most likely in /usr/bin
[06:10] <bla|patrick> thats everything i get
[06:10] <jmwagner> how do i get to know my admin pw - i havent set one durning install
[06:11] <LjL> bhna: apparently, it all depends on the order you do things in when you first enable it
[06:11] <kkathman> brodel you'll need to create an icon on your desktop
[06:11] <brodel> whoa
[06:11] <LjL> what?
[06:11] <brodel> that's awesome
[06:11] <bhna> LjL: i think the applet is hidden because is working after changing to amcos behavior?
[06:11] <LjL> trying yakuake, brodel?
[06:11] <jmwagner> i dunno whats my admins password
[06:11] <brodel> yeah
[06:11] <jmwagner> how may i get to know?
[06:12] <kkathman> bla|patrick: that output is truncated
[06:12] <bla|patrick> and following the howto i expected to get these files: fglrx-control_8.19.10-1_i386.deb fglrx-kernel-source_8.19.10-1_i386.deb xorg-driver-fglrx_8.19.10-1_i386.deb
[06:12] <brodel> can I get that to just start when I boot up or login so I don't have to start it every time?
[06:12] <LjL> bhna: possibly. it's strange though, cause i remember that i tried a few combinations and i couldn't get it to work. i suppose i have probably tried all the combinations except the right one :-)
[06:12] <bla|patrick> kkathman, thats the whole output
[06:12] <bla|patrick> after that a new commandline starts
[06:12] <LjL> bhna: anyway, i suppose this definitely qualifies as a bug... but the KDE guys must know about it, if they disabled the applet. unless it's the Kubuntu team that disabled it
[06:13] <LjL> brodel: yes you can
[06:13] <kkathman> bla|patrick: baffles me then...cuz I would have though you should have gottent the 3 debs
[06:13] <LjL> brodel: by default, in KDE, when you login you find all the programs that you had loaded, loaded
[06:13] <kkathman> I dont see in that procedure where they come fromt
[06:13] <LjL> brodel: that's including yakuake. and that's the way i use to keep it loaded at startup, even though i suppose there might be some other way
[06:13] <bhna> LjL: i think its not diabled its hidden because the applet works auomaticaly when you change to macos menu
[06:13] <bla|patrick> the folder is empty execept a file called fglrx-installer_8.19.10-1_i386.changes
[06:14] <kkathman> as long as you were in the directory that you downloaded the driver, that should have been ok
[06:14] <LjL> bhna: ah, i see what you mean now... but that applet used to be NOT hidden, and it's a useful applet anyway!
[06:14] <bla|patrick> i was in the folder /home/patrick/ATI
[06:14] <bla|patrick> there is the installer
[06:14] <LjL> bhna: just selecting "MacOS-style" isn't quite the best thing to do it
[06:14] <bla|patrick> and there should be 3 debs now
[06:15] <brodel> so, if I shutdown right now, all of these apps will be open when I reboot?
[06:15] <LjL> bhna: for starters, the pseudo-panel that "MacOS-style" automatically creates is a very strange panel, that cannot be moved or configured...
[06:15] <LjL> brodel: yeah
[06:15] <bla|patrick> kkathman, no idea whats wrong here?
[06:15] <brodel> cool
[06:15] <kkathman> yah...as long as you were in the same directory as the one you downloaded the installer into
[06:15] <LjL> brodel: of course you can disable that behaviour if you prefer
[06:15] <bla|patrick> opera has downloaded it to that folder!
[06:16] <kkathman> if you installed the ati-driver-installer....  to /home/downloads  you need to run the sudo sh in that directory also
[06:16] <bla|patrick> then i used cd *folder* to get there in terminal
[06:16] <bhna> LjL: i could'nt see any difference
[06:16] <bla|patrick> kkathman, explain plz
[06:16] <bla|patrick> what have i to do?
[06:17] <bla|patrick> that folder has 777 as accessrights
[06:17] <kkathman> bla|patrick: ok when you clicked the ati file...it downloaded a file called ati-driver-installer.....  right?
[06:17] <LjL> bhna: oh well, just right-click on any panel, and "configure panel". in the "Settings for" combo-box, you'll see every panel you have open, *except* for the menu panel. that's not good!
[06:17] <bla|patrick> ya
[06:17] <kkathman> bla|patrick: ok, so lets say you downloaded that to /home/downloads
[06:17] <bla|patrick> ya
[06:18] <LjL> bhna: say, what if i want to have my menus on the *bottom* of the screen? not that i do, but, it should be doable. the panel containing your menus should be treated like every other panel
[06:18] <bla|patrick> folder has 777
[06:18] <bla|patrick> and the installer too
[06:18] <kkathman> bla|patrick: you have to navigate to /home/downloads and run that sudo sh command
[06:18] <LjL> bhna: hence, a "menubar" applet would be (is) the best solution, rather than the current unintuitive stuff
[06:18] <bla|patrick> i am
[06:18] <bla|patrick> sudu su
[06:18] <bla|patrick> then cd folder
[06:18] <bla|patrick> then i run the command 
[06:18] <kkathman> sudo
[06:19] <bla|patrick> i run the command a root
[06:19] <bla|patrick> sh installer -- build package for ubuntu
[06:19] <bla|patrick> thats it
[06:19] <kkathman> is that what the method said to do?
[06:19] <LjL> brodel: try typing alt+space. you can start applications and stuff from there, you might find it nicer than the menu at times
[06:19] <C0r3Dump> is there any toshiba user here ?
[06:19] <bla|patrick> it doesnt work with sudo
[06:19] <bla|patrick> it doestn work as root
[06:19] <C0r3Dump> I have problems with irDa
[06:19] <bla|patrick> kkathman, where is the difference
[06:20] <LjL> brodel: just type (a part of) the name of the thing you want started
[06:20] <bla|patrick> making it as root without sudo should be the same as making it with sudo
[06:20] <bla|patrick> tried both
[06:20] <kkathman> bla|patrick: ownership....I NEVER assume root in the system
[06:20] <bla|patrick> say what i shall
[06:20] <bla|patrick> file is in home patrick ATI
[06:20] <kkathman> bla|patrick: course I dunno, ATI is very linux unfriendly, so their installer may be messed up too
[06:20] <bla|patrick> crap :(
[06:21] <bla|patrick> well... what can i do now?
[06:21] <kkathman> if you followed the steps, chances are, the card is imcompatible or the driver is mal-formed
[06:21] <kkathman> prolly the latter
[06:22] <kkathman> I think I would certainly contact ATI customer support but they wont be very helpful from what I hear...cuz everyone there is windows
[06:22] <kkathman> but you could insist on talking to a level 3 linux technician 
[06:23] <bla|patrick> what?
[06:23] <bla|patrick> didnt understand anything from ur last sentence
[06:23] <kkathman> bla|patrick: you will notice, tho, that the wiki page you are on says it is the "Unofficial" wiki
[06:23] <bla|patrick> ati support isnt helpful as windows either
[06:23] <fenix> how to set transparence on yakuake?
[06:23] <bla|patrick> coze the officials are terrebly outdated 
[06:24] <kkathman> how old is the card?
[06:24] <bla|patrick> its a radeon 9800pro
[06:24] <bla|patrick> so the drivers will support it
[06:24] <bla|patrick> in hoary they worked fine
[06:24] <bla|patrick> but i upgraded from hoary to breezy
[06:24] <kkathman> actually Im not sure why they shouldnt have just migrated
[06:24] <bla|patrick> and the result of that were dozens of little bugs
[06:25] <bla|patrick> it ended up that i decided to make a clean install
[06:25] <bla|patrick> now i wasted 12 hours for that ati crap
[06:25] <kkathman> unless there is some dependency that didnt get updated yet...but I have no idea about that
[06:25] <bla|patrick> kkathman, its a fresh install... repo cd
[06:25] <bla|patrick> even!
[06:25] <kkathman> You could buy an nVidia card and eliminate the problem
[06:25] <bla|patrick> then updated from internet
[06:25] <bla|patrick> kkathman, give me the money
[06:26] <bla|patrick> i should shoot everybody who give me that advise
[06:26] <bla|patrick> a 6800 for agp costs still 333 at least
[06:26] <bla|patrick> an i dont even have 60 actually
[06:26] <bla|patrick> O_o
[06:26] <kkathman> if you had come here, everyone would have told you nVidia, but im sorry thats no solace for you....the Radeon is a great card in Windows tho
[06:27] <bla|patrick> kkathman, i had the radeon before i started linux
[06:27] <bla|patrick> the radeon is about 3 years old
[06:27] <kkathman> I gotta jet to a band contest...bbk
[06:27] <bla|patrick> i try linux for 3 month now
[06:27] <bla|patrick> never expected that it would be this troublesome
[06:27] <bla|patrick> oh he left
[06:27] <bla|patrick> crap
[06:27] <bla|patrick> well...
[06:27] <bla|patrick> then i give up
[06:28] <LjL> drivers for hardware *can* be troublesome in linux unfortunately
[06:28] <bla|patrick> LjL, ja, but this extreme?
[06:28] <nalioth> especially ATI
[06:28] <LjL> bla|patrick: well, i'm currently running in VESA mode 'cause that's about the only possibility with my card, you go figure
[06:28] <bla|patrick> nalioth, today they are a lot better than the first time i tried linux with my ati in 2004
[06:28] <bla|patrick> and if u buy a notebook u dont have much choise
[06:29] <bla|patrick> if u want 3d power and a longrund notebook u only can choose ati 
[06:29] <nalioth> LjL: i've run vesa quite a bit
[06:29] <bla|patrick> nvidia sucks there
[06:29] <bla|patrick> still!
[06:30] <LjL> by the way, there's an ATI Radeon Something (i'm not into video cards at all, but i can look it up) for 30... do you think i could find an nVidia, or something very linux-friendly anyway, for a similar price?
[06:31] <nalioth> LjL: you can
[06:31] <LjL> mind you, i'm *very* clueless when it comes to graphics cards :)
[06:31] <brodel> How would Kubuntu run on a 600Mhz PC with 192MB of RAM
[06:31] <nalioth> LjL: nvidia is now selling entry level cards for next to nothing
[06:31] <bla|patrick> but theyre not worth to be called 3d card
[06:31] <bla|patrick> theyre damned slow
[06:31] <bla|patrick> and i will play with my computer 
[06:32] <LjL> i don't care, i want to spend as little as possible... i'm not into 3d gaming, i'd just like to have some decent 3d once in a while
[06:32] <bla|patrick> if i put that damned slow card into my pc it would be insane
[06:32] <bla|patrick> to think of GAMING
[06:32] <LjL> my old Hercules card would even be good enough, if it weren't for drivers (both windows and linux, btw)
[06:33] <bla|patrick> i am waiting for nv6800 with 2 dvi under 200
[06:33] <bla|patrick> but there wont be some with agp i guess
[06:33] <bla|patrick> below 200?
[06:33] <bla|patrick> how is it spelled in EN, if the price should be below 200
[06:33] <bla|patrick> whatever
[06:33] <LjL> under, below
[06:34] <bla|patrick> kk
[06:34] <LjL> i think both are ok
[06:34] <LjL> i'm not a native speaker tho
[06:34] <bla|patrick> kk
[06:34] <LjL> do you know anything about some brand called "Club 3D"? there are some on a store's site here, they seem to sell both nVidia and ATI chipsets, if that makes sense
[06:35] <bla|patrick> ya... thats not the point
[06:35] <bla|patrick> all of them buys chips or even complete cards from ati or nv
[06:35] <bla|patrick> they simply put on that a cooler
[06:35] <bla|patrick> and thats it
[06:35] <LjL> suppose so... but the point is, would it make any difference with respect to linux drivers?
[06:36] <bla|patrick> 2dvi, 1dvi/1vga or even vivo
[06:36] <bla|patrick> everything is depended on standardlayouts
[06:36] <bla|patrick> ljl, today i would buy a nvidia
[06:36] <bla|patrick> but in 2003 i bought a ati because nvidia sucked with their fx series 
[06:37] <bla|patrick> today i have not even a sparetime job anymore
[06:37] <bla|patrick> dont even find one
[06:37] <LjL> bla|patrick: yeah but if i buy an nVidia from this "Club 3D" or some other sub-brand, it won't make any difference to my linux drivers, would it?
[06:37] <bla|patrick> wont...
[06:37] <bla|patrick> all of them are from nvidia
[06:37] <LjL> that's good
[06:37] <bla|patrick> if u buy a notebook chipset with nv u will need drivers from the notebook manufacture
[06:38] <bla|patrick> ati started to support those as well...
[06:38] <LjL> will i? doh... anyway, i'm not with a laptop
[06:38] <bla|patrick> nv still has not decided this
[06:39] <nalioth> LjL: tomshardware.com
[06:39] <bla|patrick> LjL, ja ok
[06:39] <bla|patrick> if i had money today, i would buy that shullte xpc witch pentium m 
[06:39] <bla|patrick> pcie + pentium m
[06:39] <bla|patrick> silent and fast x)
[06:39] <bla|patrick> ah... anyway...
[06:39] <bla|patrick> have to leave now.
[06:39] <bla|patrick> i'll try to make a 2nd reinstall of breezy
[06:40] <LjL> =|
[06:40] <bla|patrick> i hope it worx then as it is supposed to do
[06:40] <LjL> cya
[06:40] <LjL> well good luck =)
[06:40] <bla|patrick> ljl... bye
[06:40] <bla|patrick> :)
[06:40] <_StarScream> hi guys, anyone here with an ibook ?
[06:42] <nalioth> _StarScream: um yes
[06:42] <_StarScream> nalioth: running kubuntu ?
[06:42] <nalioth> _StarScream: sometimes
[06:42] <_StarScream> nalioth: ok, is sleep working correctly for you ?
[06:43] <nalioth> nope
[06:43] <nalioth> i've not found sleep suspend to work at all on any ubuntu version i've had on my 'books
[06:43] <_StarScream> nalioth: hmm me either...there was a release of breezy for which it was.
[06:43] <_StarScream> pre-beta
[06:43] <_StarScream> it worked perfectly
[06:44] <_StarScream> the rest of breezy didn't, but that did
[06:44] <_StarScream> and now its broken again
[06:44] <nalioth> dont know why, the hardware on the ibooks is well documented
[06:44] <LjL> sleep and hibernation don't even work decently on my AMD desktop computer
[06:45] <_StarScream> nalioth: i think its something to do with the ati chipset...but anyway, i don't see how they can un-fix it once its been fixed
[06:47] <LjL> then you haven't seen enough software :)
[06:47] <brodel> ljl, that MacOSX style menubar you were telling me about. Does that only work for certain applications? It works for konversation, but Gaim still has it's menus
[06:47] <LjL> brodel: yeah, unfortunately it only works for KDE applications. that's one of the reasons why i'm trying to *only* use KDE applications
[06:47] <_StarScream> brodel: probably KDE apps only, since they would have dcop entries
[06:47] <brodel> ahh ok
[06:47] <brodel> figured it was somethin like that.
[06:48] <LjL> brodel: another reason is to not have Gnome *AND* KDE libraries loaded all the time, and another reason yet is to have an interface that's decently consistent and integrated...
[06:48] <LjL> brodel: tried Kopete (should have it installed) instead of Gaim?
[06:48] <_StarScream> also bugs me that non kde app systray icons aren't fully transparent
[06:48] <brodel> Yeah, I tried it. I've been using Gaim too long though.
[06:48] <LjL> brodel: i see
[06:49] <_StarScream> hmm lots of people prefer gaim.... i don't see much difference my self, except for the integration you get with contact / kopete
[06:49] <_StarScream> kontact*
[06:49] <LjL> i really cannot say, i haven't been using instant messenging stuff for a long while
[06:50] <LjL> brodel: do your GTK/Gnome applications at least show the same look (buttons, etc) as KDE applications? they're supposed to, in theory, though in my experience that doesn't always work
[06:52] <brodel> The only other apps I have open right now are gaim and remote desktop to my windows box
[06:52] <_StarScream> there are still a few GTK apps that have no KDE equiv unfortunately
[06:53] <LjL> brodel: well does Gaim show KDE-like buttons?
[06:53] <LjL> _StarScream: the opposite is true, as well, though... anyway, what apps are you thinking about? sometimes one just misses some weirdly-names package, at least i do
[06:54] <_StarScream> LjL: just things like GIMP (although in a year or so krita will have sort of replaced that), and generally java apps which have GTK bindings tend not to have KDE/QT ones
[06:55] <LjL> yeah, gimp is a biggie, but i think krita is coming up real well
[06:55] <LjL> and it even already has big features that aren't in gimp, like 16-bit support
[06:56] <LjL> about java apps, dunno really... but at least, those don't need gnome libraries (i suppose), just the GTK libs
[06:56] <LjL> and the gtk-qt-engine is doing a decent job of making them look like QT apps now, at least
[06:57] <brodel> LjL: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9918/snapshot14mt.png
[06:58] <LjL> brodel: hmm, it's not showing the right look
[06:58] <LjL> brodel: try settings / appearence and gimmicks / GTK styles and fonts
[06:59] <gochoo> Hi all
[06:59] <brodel> says use my KDE style.
[06:59] <LjL> brodel: try to mess a little with that, and hopefully you'll be able to make it understand it should use the GTK-QT wrapper, if it hasn't decided to be too stubborn this time
[06:59] <LjL> brodel: well, try to select some other style, say "OK", then open it again, and reselect "KDE style".... or things like that
[07:00] <LjL> brodel: i've been swearing for a little while, but in the end i've managed to make it work
[07:00] <brodel> I'll toy with it a bit later
[07:00] <gochoo> I'm having problem with my network connection, is there anyone who can help me?
[07:01] <brodel> I actually need to get out of here.. already running late. Too much to learn :D
[07:01] <LjL> brodel: ok, see you
[07:01] <brodel> Thanks for all your help. I'm sure I'll probably be back here soon enough.
[07:02] <gochoo> I just installed Kubuntu on my laptop(Dell inspiron 5100)
[07:03] <brodel> told ya I'd be back haha
[07:03] <brodel> How do I shutdown?! Before I just hit logout and selected shutdown
[07:03] <brodel> Now it just says end session
[07:04] <nalioth> brodel: kde's shutdown is a 2 step process
[07:04] <nalioth> brodel: end the session and you'll see
[07:04] <N1omi> hmm, mine has always just said end session. i end it and shut down from there, but i don't shut down often
[07:04] <brodel> roger that. Thanks again
[07:05] <LjL> uh...
[07:05] <LjL> i do log off, then "shut down computer"
[07:05] <LjL> sorry, that's "turn off computer", but anyway
[07:06] <LjL> oh by the way, is there a way to change or remove the picture in the end session dialog?
[07:07] <gochooo> Hi All,
[07:07] <gochooo> having problem with kubuntu on dell inspiron 5100, ethernet card is automatilly disabled, and after i enable it from gui, after 2 secoonds it becomes disabled again , what may be the reason ?
[07:08] <gochooo> by the way, the card is a Broadcom 440x 10/100
[07:10] <dyngnosis> hmmm... stil not too sure about Kubuntu
[07:11] <volker> hi. i cant install w32codecs. 
[07:11] <dyngnosis> im kind of missing ubuntu :)
[07:11] <dyngnosis> volker: just install VLC :)
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> gochooo: run 'dmesg' and see if there's any clues there about your card.
[07:11] <volker> it tells me it cant authenticate the package
[07:13] <LjL> when does it tell it so?
[07:13] <nalioth> volker: did you direct download the pkg?
[07:13] <LjL> after aptitude update or when actaully installing?
[07:13] <volker> nalioth: no
[07:13] <nalioth> volker: or did you add something to your sources.list?
[07:13] <volker> yes ive added something to my source.list
[07:14] <michael> I've?
[07:14] <michael> Mkay..
[07:14] <nalioth> volker: may i ask which line you added?
[07:14] <LjL> volker: if aptitude update is telling you about a GPG error, you may usually just ignore it
[07:14] <nalioth> LjL: that's not the problem here
[07:15] <LjL> well i dunno what actually is meant by "cannot authenticate the package", honestly
[07:15] <volker> nalioth: LjL :heres my source.list http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426785
[07:16] <volker> nalioth: any ideas?
[07:17] <nalioth> volker: the two bottom lines are unnecesary. mirrormax is gone forever and youve duplicated backports lines with one above
[07:17] <nalioth> volker: and no repos are necessary for w32codecs
[07:17] <nalioth> ubotu: tell volker about w32codecs
[07:17] <volker> hmm can u edit end paste what u mean?
[07:19] <nalioth> volker: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426792
[07:20] <volker> nalioth: THANKS
[07:20] <nalioth> volker: bitte
[07:22] <volker> nalioth: do u know about the antesis repos?
[07:22] <nalioth> volker: ich weiss nicht
[07:22] <volker> nalioth: kannst du deutsch?;)
[07:23] <nalioth> volker: ich habe ein bischen deutsch
[07:23] <volker> nalioth: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[07:23] <volker> nalioth: ok now i know. the server is down :(
[07:24] <nalioth> ping tells all
[07:25] <volker> look into the wiki. they say that the repo is down for 1-2 days
[07:27] <N1omi> oh, the repos are down? that explains things
[07:28] <tarheelcoxn> bah. who needs updates?
[07:28] <tarheelcoxn> :P
[07:28] <volker> N1omi: what?
[07:29] <hussam> is there a KDE/QT3 network configuration tool? the one in kcontrol or system settings in breezy is pretty broken even worse than it was in hoary.
[07:30] <nalioth> volker: i'd be wary of the repo and only enable it for specific packages
[07:31] <nalioth> N1omi: no. only some specialized high risk repos volker is interested in
[07:32] <N1omi> nalioth: oh. i guess my sources.list is still borked. XD what kind of specialised high risk repositories? :D
[07:33] <nalioth> N1omi: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[07:35] <LjL> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list  --  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1 breezy main  -- apt update; apt dist-upgrade
[07:35] <LjL> wish me luck ;P
[07:36] <LjL> hey, it's going to take 12 more megabytes
[07:36] <LjL> sucks!
[07:36] <volker> lol
[07:37] <murray_> anyone any idea about turning fans on & off via acpi ?
[07:38] <murray_> got a laptop running kubuntu 5.10, can't figure out how to control the fan...
[07:38] <N1omi> woa, litigious in wikipedia gives a result for litigious bastards which redirects to google bombs. o_o
[07:39] <LjL> murray_: dunno, but have a look at /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh and /etc/acpi/resume.sh
[07:39] <LjL> i recall they contain some lines that are supposed to turn fans on or off
[07:40] <murray_> looked in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/... won't let me write/update/cat any of the files it has
[07:45] <LjL> KDE 3.5rc1: at first attempt, aptitude install bailed out with dependencies errors. at second attempt, it is now installing some more stuff, and i think it is going to work
[07:46] <murray_> re fans: all i see in /etc/acpi is "rmmod fan" and "modprobe fan"
[07:50] <v-dogg> yet another windows migration question: can I get Konqueror to look like windows explorer (with tree/folder view on the left and mapped network drives there too)?
[07:50] <Riddell> v-dogg: F9 for sidebar, remote:/ for network drives
[07:54] <Kao|Sleep> v-dogg: it doesnt stay tho...
[07:55] <v-dogg> hmm...
[07:56] <v-dogg> well.. I just have to get used to this then
[07:56] <gochooo> could not make the ethernet card work on kubuntu, and decided to install kubuntu on another machien , this time i am having problem at the very first step of installation. I boot from the Kubuntu 5.10 CD then when it asks type of installation i hit ENTER, then the next windo that asks for lkanguage and other things appear in a weird format where lines of the screen has toggled and it is not possible to read what is written on the screen. any ide
[07:57] <v-dogg> is there any other "explorer" than Konqueror?
[07:57] <buz> mhh
[07:57] <buz> kommander?
[07:57] <nalioth> v-dogg: plenty of them. endeavour, xfm, emelfm2 and many others
[07:57] <buz> personally i consider konqui to be the best filemanager ever
[07:57] <N1omi> i'll agree
[07:58] <buz> (and OSX finder is likely the worst)
[07:58] <nalioth> v-dogg: you also have nautilus and xffm
[07:58] <N1omi> i use it in gnome also.
[07:58] <nalioth> v-dogg: but there are far more then the ones that have been mentioned
[07:58] <murray_> is there a way to make mplayer actually scale video to fullscreen, rather than giving me a large black box over the whole screen, and a tiny regular sized video in the middle?
[08:02] <_luis> necesito ayuda!
[08:03] <v-dogg> does nautilus work with kde?
[08:03] <_luis> he intalado kubuntu y al intentar instalar algo en la consola siempre me aparece un msj de error q dice q no encuentra el comando CC:
[08:03] <buz> v-dogg: it dows
[08:03] <buz> does
[08:03] <buz> if you have the gnome libs installed that is
[08:04] <_luis> I have KDE
[08:04] <_luis> and when i install anything with konsole
[08:05] <_luis> apear error ---> cc: command not found
[08:05] <v-dogg> cc is a c compiler
[08:05] <buz> try
[08:05] <buz> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[08:06] <v-dogg> _luis: you're trying to compile something yourself?
[08:06] <buz> there must be something wrong about the way the kernel module is built
[08:06] <buz> after loading it, weird stuff happens
[08:06] <buz> (sudo just hangs, for one)
[08:06] <ttrocal> Hello, I've just installed Kubuntu Breezy and am having a few problems.  First of all, about a dozen packages (all from main/universe/multiverse) failed to configure when I updated/upgraded.  Shall I post the exact dpkg output to pastebin?
[08:07] <libertyaikido> Test.
[08:07] <buz> ttrocal: did you upgrade from hoary?
[08:07] <luciano> hellow, download encode mp3 for grip ?
[08:07] <_luis> I try to install binutils
[08:07] <ttrocal> buz: No, installed from a Breezy CD.
[08:07] <buz> binutils is already installed by default?!?
[08:07] <manveru> luciano: you want to encode wavs?
[08:08] <buz> ttrocal: and now you tried to upgrade to the latest packages?
[08:08] <ttrocal> buz: Yes, and added a few that I wanted such as ubuntu-desktop.
[08:08] <_luis> how? I'm nobbie
[08:08] <v-dogg> _luis: why don't you install it using apt (and have you checked it isn't installed already)?
[08:08] <buz> i suggest to try running apt-get upgrade a few more times
[08:08] <buz> usually that clears the errors for me
[08:09] <murray_> ahh, mplayer -zoom makes it fullscreen properly :)
[08:09] <ttrocal> buz: I' had already updated and upgraded a few more times, but I just gave it another try to no avail.
[08:09] <_luis> o upgrades
[08:09] <buz> will we see some xorg 6.9 or 7.0 packages in december? or is that dapper only?
[08:09] <luciano> manveru: encode CDA -> MP3
[08:10] <buz> ttrocal: best to put the error to paste bin then
[08:10] <Riddell> buz: only dapper gets new packages
[08:10] <buz> too bad ;)
[08:10] <ttrocal> buz: Alright, just posted as 'ttrocal'
[08:11] <buz> can't you provide the url???
[08:11] <manveru> luciano: you can do this very easy, just open your cd in konqueror and drag the mp3-files in the folder mp3 to a folder on your harddisk
[08:11] <buz> after getting burnt with early breezy, i don't necessarily want to use dapper this early ;)
[08:11] <ttrocal> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426876
[08:11] <_luis> please I'm spanish any spaniard?
[08:11] <_luis> to help me
[08:11] <nalioth> !es
[08:11] <manveru> luciano: but you have to make sure you have some things installed to do this, please check following:
[08:11] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:11] <manveru> ubotu: tell luciano about mp3
[08:11] <_luis> thanks
[08:11] <{{corona}}> hi i have a couple of error messages popping up on boot after which i end up at busybox ash prompt. i have the error msgs anyone help???
[08:12] <manveru> {{corona}}: please paste the to http://rafb.net/paste
[08:12] <{{corona}}> ok
[08:12] <buz> ttrocal: did you try "Please run defoma-reconfigure -f to fix its broken status." like it suggests?
[08:12] <manveru> e/the/them
[08:13] <manveru> oh man, i hate mp3s... the playback of them is completly distorted with arts...
[08:13] <ttrocal> buz: I saw that, not exactly sure what command to run.  Should it be 'dpkg defoma-reconfigure -f'?
[08:13] <ttrocal> Because that doesn't seem right
[08:14] <{{corona}}> hi i have pasted, it's taken me to a page please see this http://rafb.net/paste/results/cjo3Oh54.html
[08:14] <Pupeno> What program do you recommend to rip a DVD to have the video as a file ? possibly transcodding it to make it smaller.
[08:14] <buz> ttrocal: try sudo defoma-reconfigure -f 
[08:15] <buz> not sure why it got broken in the first place though
[08:17] <ttrocal> buz: Ah, that worked, I feel stupid.  Anyway, that returned an error: '/usr/bin/defoma-reconfigure: line 50: 10341 Segmentation fault  defoma-app update $APP
[08:17] <ttrocal> /usr/bin/defoma-reconfigure: `defoma-app update x-ttcidfont-conf' failed (0).
[08:17] <ttrocal> '
[08:17] <buz> could it be that your hardware is broken?
[08:17] <luciano> ubotu: Thanks
[08:17] <ubotu> luciano: gern geschehen
[08:17] <{{corona}}> manveru: did you get the paste?
[08:17] <ttrocal> buz: Um, I suppose.  What hardware problem would cause this type of problem, though?
[08:17] <luciano> manveru: thanks
[08:17] <buz> segfaults are often caused by bad ram i believe
[08:17] <buz> also bad power supplies can cause a lot of trouble
[08:18] <buz> have you ever noticed other oddities with that machine?
[08:18] <ttrocal> Are they?  Because I've been having a LOT of segfaulting problems on this computer, I didn't realize it might be a RAM issue.
[08:18] <ttrocal> The RAM in this computer is new, too, so that might make sense.
[08:19] <buz> i'd try running memtest for say a whole night or so
[08:19] <jatos> btw, anyone here think that adept sucks big time?
[08:19] <buz> jatos: i happen to love it
[08:19] <ttrocal> I just tried defo-reconfigure again and it didn't segfault.  I tried dpkg --configure -a again and now only about four packages return errors.
[08:19] <ttrocal> Memtest, eh?  Let me look into that.
[08:19] <jatos> to me its just eye candy nothing else
[08:19] <buz> you're likely not the target audience then ;)
[08:20] <jatos> whos the target audience?
[08:22] <{{corona}}> hi can someone help with a boot up problem?
[08:23] <mornfall> jatos: care to elaborate?
[08:24] <manveru> {{corona}}: i fear that you have done something really evil
[08:24] <{{corona}}> like?? oh no
[08:24] <manveru> {{corona}}: base on the error-message i guess that your /sbin/init is missing
[08:25] <manveru> {{corona}}: wich means that your system has been severe damaged
[08:25] <{{corona}}> it was a "regular" crash thats been happening for some time now
[08:25] <{{corona}}> kde
[08:25] <manveru> {{corona}}: there are no "regular" crashes in linux...
[08:25] <manveru> except kopete...
[08:26] <nalioth> manveru: and konqueror
[08:26] <manveru> really?
[08:26] <{{corona}}> i meant kde had been giving trouble a lot of kgreet crashes 
[08:26] <manveru> well, however, when KDE crashes it has some reason
[08:27] <manveru> i am not sure what you or KDE did exactly - but i don't think you can boot your system anymore
[08:27] <{{corona}}> ok that sucks
[08:27] <manveru> indeed
[08:27] <{{corona}}> i just about installed it
[08:27] <mornfall> jatos: hmm?
[08:27] <manveru> was it a fresh install?
[08:28] <{{corona}}> ya this is my first ubuntu install
[08:28] <{{corona}}> it was fresh in that sense
[08:28] <manveru> do you have previous linux-experience?
[08:28] <{{corona}}> about a week ago
[08:28] <{{corona}}> ya a bit on suse 9.1
[08:29] <{{corona}}> but this just is out of the blue
[08:29] <manveru> ok, well i think there are very many reasons why this happened
[08:29] <mornfall> jatos: dude, at least give some reason why it sucks, huh?
[08:29] <{{corona}}> just before the reboot i had installed numlockx
[08:30] <manveru> {{corona}}: the kicker-applet?
[08:30] <{{corona}}> no it switches on the num lock on boot up
[08:30] <manveru> {{corona}}: you know that there is a kicker-applet that does the same (and displays the status in a nice way)?
[08:30] <{{corona}}> had to edit the kde start script and add the path to this prog there
[08:31] <{{corona}}> no i don't...
[08:31] <{{corona}}> kicker?
[08:31] <manveru> however, if there is something crucial for your existence on the current system?
[08:32] <manveru> the name of the applet is keybled
[08:32] <{{corona}}> anyway so i think i killed it...no not really i have windows primary and was trying to figure out linux migration
[08:32] <{{corona}}> ok
[08:32] <{{corona}}> keybled does the same-- num lock on?
[08:32] <manveru> i suggest you do a clean install, as i'm not sure you can easily repair the system
[08:33] <manveru> if you want it turns numlock on
[08:33] <manveru> and displays status of capslock
[08:33] <{{corona}}> ok so i format ext partition
[08:33] <{{corona}}> and all that
[08:33] <manveru> no, not format - just install
[08:34] <{{corona}}> over root?
[08:34] <manveru> yeah
[08:34] <{{corona}}> what happens to all the installed stuff
[08:34] <{{corona}}> under /home
[08:34] <manveru> did you make a seperate partition for home?
[08:34] <oracel> dapper drake - does it use kde 3.5?
[08:34] <{{corona}}> yes
[08:34] <manveru> so your stuff in home is save
[08:35] <{{corona}}> ok but wont those progs stop working like wine is under home
[08:35] <manveru> oracel: i think so - at least it is planned
[08:35] <manveru> you have to reinstall wine, but your config-files stay the same
[08:35] <manveru> that means every personal config you had
[08:36] <{{corona}}> ok so i have to reinstall most of the stuff
[08:36] <manveru> even kde will look the same :)
[08:36] <oracel> on breezy, if I upgrade from 3.4.3 to 3.5, can I expect problems?
[08:36] <{{corona}}> something for the loss :)
[08:36] <nalioth> oracel: yes
[08:36] <manveru> oracel: yeah
[08:36] <buz> oracel: it seems like rc1 works quite well now
[08:36] <buz> but you SHOULD expect  trouble
[08:36] <manveru> oracel: especially with sound i was told
[08:36] <buz> beta2 had all sorts of issues with arts
[08:36] <{{corona}}> i am wondering if 3.4 kde is all unstable
[08:37] <buz> manveru: it seems to me that arts is fixed in 3.5RC1 packages
[08:37] <buz> it doesnt crash upon loading for me, anyway
[08:37] <oracel> I see..
[08:37] <manveru> {{corona}}: not if you don't do too fancy stuff that is unstable
[08:37] <buz> kde 3.4.3 is rock solid
[08:38] <manveru> buz: not with composite for me :)
[08:38] <buz> manveru: that's largely an X issue no?
[08:38] <{{corona}}> ok all i did was install fluxbox, wine and inkscape gimp 
[08:38] <manveru> i guess so
[08:39] <{{corona}}> anyway i shall try/look around and let you know if things work or i just go ahead and install it again
[08:40] <{{corona}}> thanks a lot
[08:40] <oracel> 3.4.3 works extremely good for me
[08:41] <nalioth> oracel: then perhaps you should stick with it, in linux, stability is prized over "the latest and greatest"
[08:41] <{{corona}}> i don't know if it was those backdoor repositories
[08:41] <oracel> nalioth, yes, but it could have been interesting to try it on my laptop
[08:42] <{{corona}}> must have done something stupid with them
[08:57] <NotLarry> I am running kubuntu on a box next to me but want to open a desktop to a remote kubuntu box.  How can I do that?:)
[09:02] <pvh> I am having difficulty with what appears be a conflict between dbus and Beagle.
[09:03] <pvh> Beagle works fine on my Xubuntu laptop, but the daemon crashes, complaining about being unable to load dbus-sharp.
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> oh, hey.. i like the look of XFCE...
[09:08] <v-dogg> hmm... my /etc/X11/xorg.conf says "1400x1050" but only 1280x1024 is available when I try to change resolution from kde settings
[09:09] <KaoticEvil> i may be formatting my drive again...
[09:12] <manveru> KaoticEvil: btw, grml is sweeet :)
[09:13] <pvh> KaoticEvil: It's not bad, but it has a ways to go.
[09:13] <KaoticEvil> manveru: grml?
[09:13] <KaoticEvil> pv_: im looking for something that will be slightly faster on my old-ass machine :(
[09:14] <pvh> KaoticEvil: XFMedia won't play videos in my current version.
[09:14] <manveru> KaoticEvil: it's a bit bad to make ads for another distro here... :)
[09:14] <pvh> manveru: It's all Ubuntu, man.
[09:14] <KaoticEvil> manveru: yup :)
[09:14] <manveru> pvh: more debian i would say :)
[09:14] <pvh> manveru: It's in breezy/universe.
[09:14] <manveru> it's all about apt-get
[09:14] <KaoticEvil> manveru: i was talking about xubuntu ;)
[09:14] <manveru> KaoticEvil: i know, and i'm talking about grml
[09:14] <pvh> manveru: oh, heh. talking across purposes. got you,.
[09:14] <KaoticEvil> ah
[09:15] <manveru> however, it might be the fastest thing you can get for an old box
[09:15] <manveru> you can even start X if you have to...
[09:15] <manveru> ^^
[09:16] <pvh> heh
[09:16] <KaoticEvil> manveru: doh...
[09:17] <manveru> i just consider switching my laptop to it, so i have a better workstation
[09:17] <pvh> Considering I use my old laptop for watching downloaded lectures, listening to music on the bus and attaching to my server over NoMachine... That might not help me.
[09:17] <manveru> pvh: it comes with wmi, fastbox and fvwm afaik
[09:18] <manveru> only problem i might get is getting amarok running without kde...
[09:18] <KaoticEvil> ok, that didnt work...
[09:21] <NotLarry> Ok, lets try this.  I want to share a folder on my remote kubuntu box with a windows network.  How?:)
[09:25] <seth_k|lappy> SystemSettings > Sharing
[09:25] <libben> any easy way to unpack an xbox iso on linux? cause on windows i needed a special app for reading the iso and extracting it
[09:26] <nalioth> libben: the tools on linux work on any medium, i'd imagine
[09:26] <fatejudger> is there a linux app to download off of itunes
[09:27] <seth_k|lappy> sharpmusique
[09:28] <libben> aaah. app for paying to itunes?
[09:30] <oracel> if I switch to dapper drake repos now, can I expect a lot of problems? :)
[09:30] <buz> oracel: likely so
[09:31] <libben> wait like 2 months more. and it will be somemore convienience for u
[09:31] <libben> nalioth: is there any iso installed by default?
[09:31] <libben> i mean program to read them with
[09:31] <nalioth> libben: the system has the ability to mount iso images
[09:31] <PhxGuy> anyone ever try installing kubuntu on a mac inside a virtualPC image
[09:32] <nalioth> libben: then you browse them with konqueror
[09:32] <libben> so i just mount it as i do with my cd
[09:32] <KaoticEvil> anyone ever setup an ice/shoutcast server?
[09:32] <nalioth> libben: technically, yes
[09:33] <libben> nalioth: wanna hit me with the line for it? or point me to a site that explains it?
[09:33] <nalioth> libben: how to mount an iso image? ask in #ubuntu please
[09:35] <mornfall> |lart jatos 
[09:36] <pvh> manveru: Life without Amarok? Unthinkable!
[09:37] <pvh> manveru: That would be like using Windows again.
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> lol Phazeman 
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> phv even
[09:37] <pvh> manveru: Though I must say, I think the Dynamic Playlist thing is VERY poorly implemented right now.
[09:38] <manveru> pvh: well, i have to agree
[09:39] <manveru> pvh: my collection is too large, and everytime it loads something i don't want to hear right now
[09:40] <manveru> pvh: in the beginning i thought it had to learn... but after some weeks i have to say that it acts just dumb
[09:42] <da|patrick> hi
[09:42] <da|patrick> need help
[09:42] <da|patrick> issues in the system if i try to compile
[09:43] <nalioth> da|patrick: ask your specific question
[09:44] <da|patrick> the same as 3hours in the past
[09:44] <da|patrick> ati, driver, compiling
[09:44] <da|patrick> resulst should be 3 debs
[09:44] <da|patrick> but i see only a plain folder with some log file
[09:44] <da|patrick> etc.
[09:44] <pvh> manveru: The implementor doesn't like my suggestions about how to fix it.
[09:44] <da|patrick> as i said... 
[09:44] <pvh> manveru: (Which is not suprising.)
[09:44] <da|patrick> this time its a clean system...
[09:44] <da|patrick> no security updates
[09:44] <da|patrick> only that gcc-3.4 compiler 
[09:45] <da|patrick> and the ati driver
[09:45] <hussam> I read in ubuntuforums.org that the network config applet in breezy in kcontrol/system settings is broken. Is there an alternative netork config tool?
[09:45] <da|patrick> as told in the tutorial i found 
[09:45] <manveru> pvh: i never suggested anything, so i cannot explain
[09:45] <manveru> hussam: ifconfig
[09:45] <nalioth> hussam: i believe there is an updated program, but check with someone else in here to be sure
[09:46] <hussam> nalioth: I haven't actually used the network config tools. I've just edited the config files manually. Somebody here helped me with that a few weeks ago.
[09:46] <pvh> manveru: I figure dynamic mode should just be a meta-playlist. A playlist of playlists.
[09:47] <pvh> manveru: But that would require "suggested songs" to become a playlist.
[09:47] <manveru> pvh: no, not for me...
[09:47] <pvh> manveru: No? Why not?
[09:47] <manveru> pvh: i would just love when it appends the suggested songs...
[09:47] <nalioth> da|patrick: may i suggest you enable channel logging in your irc client?
[09:48] <pvh> manveru: I'm not suggesting getting rid of that, but I should probably think more about it.
[09:48] <_snake> Hey all
[09:48] <pvh> manveru: I miss the simple "auto-append" flag.
[09:48] <da|patrick> nalioth, ???
[09:48] <da|patrick> lost my pass
[09:48] <manveru> pvh: auto-append-suggested?
[09:49] <da|patrick> nalioth, last time no recommendation solved the problem
[09:49] <nalioth> da|patrick: in your personal irc client, you can enable logging
[09:49] <_snake> I dont mean to be a bug, but is there anyone that can help me out real quick? I need to know how to install files without using the package manager...if possible
[09:49] <pvh> manveru: Yeah. It was good.
[09:49] <da|patrick> so i am asking vor new clues
[09:49] <da|patrick> nalioth, i deleted ubuntu again
[09:50] <hussam> nalioth: iirc, Mepis used some kde network config tool. but don't rememeber well. I only used mepis for 5 hours and it was a year ago.
[09:50] <da|patrick> absolut fresh install this time
[09:50] <pvh> manveru: Except it appended too many at a time, so over time your appendings gradually became less and less relevant.
[09:50] <da|patrick> so even i have logged
[09:50] <da|patrick> there wont be any files 
[09:50] <nalioth> hussam: go with what you know
[09:50] <manveru> pvh: yeah, but that is the time where you come in and throw out what you don't like
[09:50] <manveru> pvh: i have no problem doing that a few times, but the system has to learn
[09:50] <pvh> manveru: It uses audioscrobbler, which theoretically has learned already.
[09:50] <ttrocal> Hello, I was in here a second ago to get help with a problem I was having on a new Kubntu Breezy install.  I'm having another problem, though, Opera 8.5 is continually exiting with a segfault on startup.  I've made sure my /home/user/.opera folder is chowned to the proper user, what else can I do?
[09:51] <_snake> Lol....I really hate  to  do this, but seriously fellas, please, is there anyone in here that can help a noob?
[09:51] <manveru> _snake: of course we can help you
[09:51] <hussam> nalioth: actually a lot of the admin tool applets in kcontrol in breezy are broken, not just the netwrok one
[09:52] <manveru> _snake: what do you mean without _package manager_ ?
[09:52] <_snake> How do I send hidden messages..
[09:52] <nalioth> hussam: yes, but iirc there is supposedly a fixed pkg, (but ask a kubuntu regular)
[09:52] <nalioth> _snake: you dont send any msgs on this network unless you're registered with nickserv
[09:53] <_snake> How are you guys sending it in red o.0!
[09:53] <_snake> lol
[09:53] <manveru> _snake: we just say your name...
[09:54] <_snake> Uhh okay whatever, Im just trying to install aim, and I have no idea how
[09:54] <_snake> Like I know how to use the package manager...obviously...but its not avalible there
[09:54] <_snake> just GAIM, but I need the direcrt connect features
[09:54] <manveru> _snake: you have to install a client that supports gaim, since aol won't make a client for linux
[09:55] <_snake> But they did
[09:55] <_snake> aim 1.5 for linux
[09:55] <_snake> http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp?aolp=#tgz2
[09:55] <nalioth> _snake: when someone says your nick, your client hilights it for you
[09:55] <nalioth> _snake: kopete
[09:56] <_snake> I was going to use that, but it didnt seem like it works :D
[09:57] <_snake> apparently it does tho...
[09:57] <_snake> How would I direct connect on this tho?
[09:57] <ttrocal> _snake: Some of the direct connect features work with gaim.  I've used displaying pictures in chats and sending files, specifically.
[09:59] <_snake> Thats why I wasnt using it! It shows all of my buddies offline
[10:00] <_snake> Any idea on that one guys?
[10:04] <da|patrick> has someone a clue, why gcc does not compile?
[10:08] <_snake> Well this will work
[10:08] <nalioth> da|patrick: did you install gcc-3.4?
[10:08] <_snake> Thanks guys
[10:08] <da|patrick> yep
[10:08] <da|patrick> i'll try to use xorg 6.8 rpm now
[10:08] <da|patrick> nalioth, could u guide me
[10:08] <da|patrick> :)
[10:09] <da|patrick> how does compiling work if source is rpm
[10:09] <nalioth> da|patrick: um, sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[10:09] <da|patrick> no... rpm of that driver for 6.8
[10:09] <nalioth> da|patrick: dont use rpms
[10:10] <da|patrick> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 module-assistant build-essential fakeroot dh-make debconf <-- that command should have installed gcc3.4
[10:10] <nalioth> da|patrick: get the source code from the homepage
[10:10] <da|patrick> nalioth, ati, driver proprietary
[10:10] <da|patrick> --> no source
[10:10] <nalioth> da|patrick: then i dont know what to tell you
[10:10] <da|patrick> i dl the rpm
[10:10] <da|patrick> how do i get debs from that?
[10:11] <da|patrick> or could u try to build debs for me
[10:11] <da|patrick> that ati driver can export distributionbuilts
[10:11] <da|patrick> compiling failes on my machine
[10:11] <da|patrick> i dunno why
[10:11] <da|patrick> and i dont know how to fix it
[10:11] <da|patrick> on some machines it work
[10:12] <da|patrick> on mine it doest
[10:12] <da|patrick> would u do that please :D
[10:12] <da|patrick> :)
[10:15] <da|patrick> come on... dont ignore me:(
[10:16] <da|patrick> no one in forums has an idea what to do
[10:16] <da|patrick> in chat i am ignored
[10:16] <da|patrick> wasting hours here
[10:16] <da|patrick> for nothing :(
[10:17] <nalioth> da|patrick: act like an adult please
[10:17] <nalioth> da|patrick: open a terminal and type "man alien"
[10:18] <nalioth> da|patrick: if you dont have "alien", install it
[10:19] <da|patrick> what is alien?
[10:20] <nalioth> !info alien
[10:20] <ubotu> alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.53 (breezy), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 288 kB
[10:22] <jHo> ello. is there a battery meter applet that comes w/ kde?
[10:23] <buz> there is
[10:23] <buz> on my laptop, it gets displayed automagically
[10:23] <nalioth_zZz> jHo: klaptopdaemon
[10:23] <da|patrick> thx nalioth_zZz 
[10:24] <jHo> ty
[10:25] <cvardar> hey guys, i am having problem during installation kubuntu to a pc with embedded graphics controller
[10:25] <cvardar> it cannot go into graph mode, and i can only install server version
[10:25] <cvardar> any idea?
[10:27] <mgorbach228> how do i get 3.5 rc?
[10:27] <fatejudger> !kde3.5
[10:27] <ubotu> [kde3.5]  KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[10:29] <cvardar> tehr eis more than a hundred people her eand no idea about this problem ?
[10:30] <DrGayus> maybe theyre sleeping
[10:30] <fatejudger> doubt it
[10:30] <fatejudger> cvardar: you aren't giving me much to go on
[10:30] <fatejudger> cvardar: it's probably some crappy non-standard computer
[10:30] <fatejudger> cvardar: I wouldn't know much about that
[10:30] <cvardar> ok, if there is someone interested in the topic lets go in details
[10:30] <cvardar> the graphics controller is a via VLE266
[10:30] <fatejudger> what is up with the people compiling KDE 3.5?
[10:31] <cvardar> and cpu is via 733 MHz.
[10:31] <fatejudger> is it THAT hard to get a working arts package?
[10:31] <cvardar> normally this configuration runs windows xp professional without problem
[10:31] <fatejudger> cvardar: XP on a 733 MHz computer???
[10:31] <fatejudger> cvardar: holy crap that must be slow
[10:32] <cvardar> no it is not and running a software with lots of opengl models etc..
[10:32] <cvardar> with %30 cpu load only.
[10:32] <DrGayus> im on kubuntu... how can i make from Konqueror to open shell in the directory im curently browsing?
[10:33] <rikva> DrGayus: f4
[10:33] <nalioth_zZz> DrGayus: right click on the dir, > actions > open terminal here
[10:33] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: what is up with the RC1 packages?
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: have you had a chance to try them?
[10:34] <nalioth_zZz> fatejudger: i'm not that cutting edge
[10:34] <Mars> What is the best FTP client for kde?
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: have you heard anyone else complain?
[10:34] <rikva> Mars: konqueror
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: I see on the beta problems page that arts still doesn't work
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: I really don't get why they wouldn't have fixed that by now
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: and the KDE people know nothing of this error, so it must be the gcc version that is used to compile it
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: or something like that...
[10:35] <nalioth_zZz> fatejudger: it is being addressed as we speak
[10:35] <DrGayus> k thanks
[10:35] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: arts?
[10:35] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: by the Kubuntu people or the KDE people?
[10:35] <nalioth_zZz> fatejudger: ubuntu has long had a history of failed compiles that only affect ubuntu
[10:35] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: why do they release them then?
[10:36] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: and is somebody going to recompile RC1?
[10:36] <nalioth_zZz> fatejudger: as mentioned, i'm sure it's being addressed as we speak
[10:36] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: well there was arts breakage in Beta 2 and no one ever addressed it
[10:36] <nalioth_zZz> and as i sleep
[10:36] <cvardar> fatejudger: may you please take a look at the screenshot at : http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=1582.0
[10:36] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: isn't RIddell the one in charge of that compile?
[10:37] <DrGayus> fresh Kubuntu install ... Cant install Firefox .... i unzipped in directory but no installer runs... tried ./firefox-installer , firefox-installer , firefox-installer-bin.... they give error : command not found  but ./firefox-installer-bin gives error: libstdc++.so.5 cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory 
[10:37] <fatejudger> cvardar: who is we?
[10:38] <fatejudger> DrGayus: download the deb package instead
[10:38] <rikva> DrGayus: why not install firefox from apt
[10:38] <fatejudger> DrGayus: sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:38] <fatejudger> rikva: he probably wants RC2
[10:38] <rikva> possible
[10:38] <fatejudger> why not use Konqueror?
[10:38] <fatejudger> Konqueror is MUCH faster in KDE than is Firefox
[10:38] <cvardar> fatejudger: we is i and my firend gochoo.
[10:39] <rikva> some people like firefox more (for it extensions for example)
[10:39] <DrGayus> im using VMWARE and things are slow  to load... i thought maybe firefox...
[10:39] <nalioth_zZz> konqueror has extensions
[10:39] <fatejudger> and Konqueror has AdBlock now
[10:39] <rikva> flash,java,adblock,firefox extensions don't work in konqueror and i am lazy ;)
[10:40] <fatejudger> flash works in Konq
[10:40] <fatejudger> so does Java
[10:40] <rikva> i'm too lazy
[10:40] <fatejudger> and Kaffeine is integrated into Konq
[10:40] <fatejudger> lazy?
[10:40] <rikva> and i hate kaffeine
[10:40] <fatejudger> Konq is already installed!
[10:40] <nalioth_zZz> night y'all
[10:40] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: night
[10:40] <rikva> gn8 nalioth_zZz 
[10:41] <DrGayus> i guess there is no fix for this weird vmware slowness in networking?
[10:42] <fatejudger> dunno, I don't like vmware and I don't use it
[10:42] <fatejudger> dual booting kicks ass
[10:42] <fatejudger> where is Riddell when you need him?
[10:46] <DrGayus> sudo apt-get install firefox : package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.. .... ... blah.... package firefox has no installation candidate
[10:46] <fatejudger> should I download the KDE Beta 2 packages before I download the KDE RC 1 packages?
[10:47] <fatejudger> DrGayus: I think it's in universe
[10:47] <fatejudger> DrGayus: you need to get those repos in the sources.list file
[10:47] <DrGayus> sorry...i dont know what that means 
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: try sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> ubotu: tell DrGayus about repos
[10:49] <DrGayus> no go... same error
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: read what ubotu just told you
[10:49] <DrGayus> ok thanks
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> np :)
[10:50] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's the transitional package
[10:50] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: the package he wants is called just firefox
[10:51] <fatejudger> DrGayus: Battlestar Galactica?
[10:51] <DrGayus> what?
[10:51] <fatejudger> DrGayus: your name
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: is it?
[10:52] <fatejudger> DrGayus: is your name from Battlestar Galactica?
[10:52] <DrGayus> no, from simsons when theyre mocking planet of the apes "dr zaius dr zaius"
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> i couldnt get package firefox to install...
[10:52] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: well that's the package
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> hmm.. odd.. ok
[10:52] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: it's stands
[10:52] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: not sits
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: but im sitting ;)
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> :P
[10:53] <fatejudger> lol
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: so its "sits corrected", not stands ;) :P
[10:54] <willtux> hi !
[10:54] <willtux> I need help
[10:55] <willtux> I cannot to install some programs in Kubuntu 5.10
[10:55] <willtux> anybody can help me
[10:55] <willtux> ?
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> ah, theres the problem :)
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> willtux: which ones?
[10:56] <willtux> what?
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> which programs?
[10:57] <willtux> all
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> willtux: using adept, or compiling from source?
[10:58] <willtux> the message is = only root can that
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> ubotu: tell willtux about sudo
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> willtux: check out what ubotu just told you :)
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> that should help ya
[10:59] <willtux> ok, thanks
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> np :)
[11:00] <DrGayus> man... this linux is complicated like heck
[11:00] <PJeremy> not really.. 
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: sometimes, yeah
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> especially to some one who is used to windows doing everything for em lol
[11:01] <DrGayus> theres 100000 commands vs 10 of dos for example
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: yup
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> would someone care to help me make sure that my shoutcast server is working?
[11:01] <DrGayus> sure :D
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: PM?
[11:02] <DrGayus> k got firefox installed :D thanks ya'll
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> :)
[11:02] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: what are you playing
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> PJeremy: ive got a whole list... lol
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> its a mixed setup.. a lil bit of everything
[11:03] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: nice
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> right now, Maraiah Carey - Shake It Off... xmms has 332 songs in its lists right now, on a random playback
[11:04] <PJeremy> mmh, i'd rather see carey than hear her sing/talk ;)
[11:04] <manveru> DrGayus: regarding the commands - 100000 doesn't count the options :)
[11:04] <KaoticEvil> PJeremy: its bon jovi now ;)
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> like i said.. totally mixed
[11:05] <PJeremy> one of the greatest carey moments was when she said she'd like to be as skinny as 3rd world country citizens but without all the flies and death..
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> ROFL!
[11:17] <DrGayus> is there a way to make shadow under windows (for decorative purpose :)
[11:24] <maciek> hi 
[11:25] <JustinS> how do?
[11:25] <maciek> i have problem with kde on kubuntu... my windows are too big and they dont fit in desktop
[11:28] <maciek> for example (system settings/apperance/window decoration)
[11:28] <JustinS> I'm of not much help there .. I just installed Kubuntu last night and my sound's dead .. My server is in trouble right now so the sounds just going to stay broken ..
[11:28] <Delvien> Isnt there some kind of weather applet for KDE panel?
[11:30] <Delvien> anyone know?
[11:33] <os2mac> there is a weather applet for the KDE panel.
[11:34] <os2mac> if you right click on the kicker bar and go to add applet its in there.
[11:34] <Delvien> os2mac its not there, i checked, which is wierd. whats it called
[11:35] <Delvien> os2mac i had it on my last install, but for some reason i dont have it anymore.
[11:35] <Delvien> kweather.. i think 
[11:35] <os2mac> hang on a sec.. I am on windows atm
[11:35] <Delvien> i got it
[11:40] <KaoticEvil> bloody samba o.o
[11:47] <Delvien> ugh isnt there anything better than KWeather that goes in the KDE panel?
[11:49] <oracel> hm
[11:49] <_sam> anyone know when kde3.5 final coming
[11:49] <oracel> you could use superkaramba and get a widget on your desktop
[11:49] <oracel> liquidweather++
[11:50] <_sam> good wifget
[11:50] <Delvien> aye but was trying to avoid something on my desktop
[11:50] <Delvien> i already have my system moniter that i made
[11:51] <_sam> kweather?
[11:52] <DrGayus> how come i cant play mp3 (from win xp) over lan but got to copy first?
[11:52] <resolve> hi is there anyway to change kde fonts... i find it big and kind of ugly
[11:52] <kkathman> has anyone installed the KDE 3.5 RC1 yet?
[11:53] <kkathman> resolve: icons where?
[11:53] <resolve> sustym in general ... taskbar menu etc...
[11:53] <kkathman> resolve all these are set using System Settings
[11:53] <resolve> it is so big and so dark that its loosing me
[11:53] <sampan> resolve: kmenu --> system settings --> appearances --> fonts iirc
[11:54] <resolve> ok thx
[11:54] <kkathman> resolve: the taskbar is set by right clicking on the taskbar and configuring the size
[11:58] <resolve> although i might head back to gnome :S
[11:58] <sampan> ewww ;)
[11:59] <resolve> find it kind of clearer and doesnt give me that microsoft feels... anyway maybe personal choice
[11:59] <sampan> it's all personal choice i think... for me, the nice thing about kde is that every itty bitty part of the gui is customizable -- gnome feels like a straightjacket in comparison
[11:59] <Delvien> trying to use liquidweather for superKaramba but the guy who made it has shitty mirrors.. 
[11:59] <resolve> maybe i should get more familiar with kde before switching again
[12:03] <sampan> could always try other desktops too -- xfce is very nice -- the level of customization is about like gnome (i.e., not as many settings as kde) but really light on resources