| \sh | sabdfl: please ride the wild elmo !!!!!!!!!!!!! | 12:03 |
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| mdke | he's not here \sh | 12:03 |
| mdke | ;) | 12:03 |
| \sh | mdke: so WHAT? | 12:03 |
| mdke | fair enough | 12:03 |
| \sh | it was a RIDE REQUEST | 12:04 |
| Nafallo | oops | 12:04 |
| === Nafallo uploaded amd64.changes :-P | ||
| jdub | not many people have signed up to the page | 12:06 |
| crimsun | nice talk last night, jdub | 12:06 |
| \sh | jdub: sorry dude that I was so drunk at that evening..that I pissed u off | 12:06 |
| jdub | thanks crimsun | 12:07 |
| jdub | \sh, hrm? | 12:07 |
| ajmitch_ | evening | 12:07 |
| \sh | jdub: yes.,..come one..I went on your nerves...but it doesn't matter | 12:08 |
| Simira | ajmitch_, jdub: know anything more about the thefts? Do you get any refund or insurance-money? | 12:08 |
| jdub | Simira, i know at least spiv and i have company insurance - ajmitch_, did you have travel insurance to cover it? | 12:09 |
| jdub | oh, you had a LTT lappy, right? | 12:09 |
| \sh | outch | 12:09 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah, but travel insurancve will have to try & cover it | 12:09 |
| jdub | cool | 12:09 |
| \sh | tomorrow I have a really serious hangover | 12:10 |
| ajmitch_ | we'll see what happens, I've got to contact claire again about the hotel into | 12:10 |
| ajmitch_ | s/into/info/ | 12:10 |
| ajmitch_ | for now I | 12:11 |
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| Simira | jdub: what about you? | 12:11 |
| ajmitch_ | 'm just trying to enjoy the rest of my holiday :) | 12:11 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: don't worry | 12:11 |
| jdub | Simira, see above | 12:11 |
| \sh | be happy | 12:11 |
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| Simira | jdub: ah, I just read "spiv" | 12:11 |
| \sh | oh dudes..../quit 0900 question about lady whaetever | 12:13 |
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| elektranox | hello | 12:20 |
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| elektranox | I only want to report a bug in gksu: if I insert more than 3 chars the X-Server crashed completly. [Ubuntu 5.10] | 12:24 |
| crimsun | elektranox: bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 12:25 |
| Nafallo | elektranox: known :-) | 12:26 |
| Nafallo | elektranox: will be fixed when libgksuui1.0-1 arrives in main. | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | Nafallo: not if he's using breezy? | 12:27 |
| Nafallo | elektranox: dapper, right? :-) | 12:28 |
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| elektranox | yes | 12:29 |
| elektranox | dapper | 12:29 |
| elektranox | mh oh it's 6.04 sry | 12:29 |
| Nafallo | then the workaround is to kill this process: | 12:30 |
| Nafallo | /usr/bin/sudo -S -p GNOME_SUDO_PASS -v | 12:30 |
| Nafallo | on a terminal outside of X ofcourse | 12:30 |
| Nafallo | sudo from a terminal works, so sudo synaptic will still start it etc... :-) | 12:31 |
| elektranox | yes from terminal by sudo is ok I know | 12:31 |
| TerminX | anyone else upgrade today and now have fonts that look like crap? | 12:35 |
| Nafallo | TerminX: upgrade every half-hour, but no. they look like usual :-). | 12:35 |
| TerminX | I'm sure it's something in the new version of freetype but god, they look awful now, heh :\ | 12:35 |
| TerminX | they look okay after dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and selecting autohinter instead of native | 12:36 |
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| jdub | hrm | 02:31 |
| jdub | need a new poll on the fridge | 02:32 |
| tritium | jdub, your next few stops on the tour are still TBD? (Utah, San Francisco, Mexico)? | 02:35 |
| jdub | yeah | 02:36 |
| tritium | jdub, okay...but in the next few days, I presume? You're not going to cancel them are you? | 02:39 |
| jdub | i'll definitely be in SFO | 02:40 |
| jdub | dunno about utah | 02:40 |
| jdub | definitely mexico | 02:40 |
| tritium | I see...Utah is within driving distance for me. | 02:40 |
| tritium | You're still welcome to stop in New Mexico before you go to Mexico | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | how about NV? ;-) | 02:42 |
| zul | tritium: oh good you can firebomb sco for us | 02:45 |
| tritium | zul, are they here in NM? | 02:45 |
| zul | utah | 02:45 |
| tritium | Oh, I see what you mean :) | 02:46 |
| zul | or a drive by | 02:46 |
| tritium | hm, I love ubuntu and all, but I don't think I'd get arrested over it ;) | 02:46 |
| zul | but you would be doing a public service :) | 02:47 |
| tritium | heh | 02:48 |
| anavim | I thought sco was done for | 02:51 |
| anavim | an internet sit-in to protest sco's behavior would be cool though | 02:53 |
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| anavim | or similar gandhi-like tactic :D | 02:53 |
| lamont | grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo | tail -1; uname -a | 02:54 |
| lamont | processor : 7 | 02:54 |
| lamont | Linux nio 2.6.12-9-hppa64-smp #1 SMP Mon Oct 10 15:10:01 UTC 2005 parisc64 GNU/Linux | 02:54 |
| lamont | now that's a nice breezy machine | 02:54 |
| crimsun | hah, nice | 02:55 |
| Lathiat | heh | 02:57 |
| Lathiat | gimme :) | 02:57 |
| zul | lamont, is that the same one you had a ubz? | 02:58 |
| lamont | zul: no. that's an N-class 8-way machine | 02:58 |
| zul | not bad | 02:58 |
| lamont | similar to the one that will be a porting machine in the DC once we can scrounge such a beast and ship it. | 03:02 |
| lamont | the one at UBZ was a 2-way A500 with a dead powersupply | 03:02 |
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| jdub | need a new fridge poll | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | UbuntuBelowZero | 05:44 |
| Keybuk | 1) the floor | 05:44 |
| Keybuk | 2) the temperature | 05:44 |
| Keybuk | (from jbailey) | 05:44 |
| jdub | Keybuk, while you're here, | 05:45 |
| jdub | if the installer finds an adaptec device and a megaraid device in a particular order | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | After UbuntuBelowZero. I now have: | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | 1) a cold | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | 2) an upset stomach | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | 3) herpes | 05:46 |
| jdub | but an installed system finds them in the opposite order, | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | 4) all of the above | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | jdub: yeah, it does that a lot | 05:46 |
| jdub | what's a useful way to fix the installed system order? | 05:46 |
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| jdub | sda moves | 05:47 |
| jdub | which makes the baby jesus cry | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | cotdeath | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | aside from blacklisting the annoying one, I can't think of anything | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | we don't try to keep sdXY things | 05:47 |
| jbailey | /etc/mkinitramfs/modules | 05:47 |
| jbailey | You can force the load order. | 05:47 |
| jdub | jbailey, order those? | 05:48 |
| jdub | ok | 05:48 |
| jdub | thanks | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | for dapper, we're fixing this by allowing root=/dev/by-uuid/blahblah type things | 05:48 |
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| jbailey | I imagine that for dapper, the installer and the initramfs detection will probably be somewhat more unififed anyway for the cases where by-uuid isn't an option. | 05:50 |
| jdub | that worked - thanks | 05:56 |
| jdub | (providing tech support to my host!) | 05:57 |
| === Keybuk wonders whether Jordi made it to NYC alive | ||
| Keybuk | or whether he's stuck in some Truck-Stop cafe having been sold into servitude for not wearing the red curly wig | 06:11 |
| jbailey | Jordi's blog mentioned something about a flat tire. | 06:26 |
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| jordi | Keybuk: I am in NYC! | 06:40 |
| jordi | After getting stuck at the border for a while tho. | 06:40 |
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| Keybuk | jordi: did jblack let you honk his horn? | 06:46 |
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| jordi | Keybuk: haha | 07:19 |
| Keybuk | I should go to bed soon really | 07:21 |
| highvoltage | Keybuk: you should have a 5) all of the above, and i didn't even attend! | 07:22 |
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| Diablo-D3 | hey, has anyone noticed the dissapearance of gimp-print? | 08:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | the package is just completely missing | 08:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | did it get renamed and someone forgot to setup a forward? | 08:02 |
| minghua | Diablo-D3: the source package is renamed to gutenprint | 08:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | minghua: okay... | 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | now here comes the $64k question | 08:05 |
| minghua | but it doesn't seem to be in ubuntu yet | 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | what package do I install to get gimp to print again? | 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | gargh. | 08:05 |
| === Diablo-D3 is hoping breezy didnt ship in this broken state | ||
| Diablo-D3 | because it'd be pretty bad if gimp users cant print =P | 08:06 |
| Amaranth | um | 08:08 |
| Amaranth | you must not be on breezy | 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not | 08:08 |
| Amaranth | oh, yeah, that's only in dapper | 08:08 |
| anavim | not seeing it in breezy | 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay | 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | bleh | 08:09 |
| Amaranth | upstream changed the name of the project so debian changed the name of the package | 08:09 |
| anavim | guten-print or gutenprint | 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | not only does gimp not show the file->print option... | 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | firefox dies if I try to print | 08:09 |
| === Diablo-D3 senses mass conspiracy | ||
| anavim | cupsys-driver-gimpprint is there... | 08:09 |
| === Amaranth sends the black helicopters after Diablo-D3 | ||
| Diablo-D3 | anavim: having that installed doesnt convince gimp to enable printing. | 08:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libgfxps.so: undefined symbol: FTC_Image_Cache_New | 08:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im thinking its related to that. | 08:10 |
| crimsun | it's the new libfreetype6 | 08:11 |
| crimsun | there are bugs open in Debian for it already | 08:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what the great part is? | 08:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | kde apps arent affected <3 | 08:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | *effected | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | no, you had it right the first time | 08:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, oh. | 08:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | doh | 08:12 |
| === Diablo-D3 is testing out print drivers for his printer | ||
| Diablo-D3 | I feel weird having to buy print drivers, btw | 08:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | for $40, I can use every printer that cups doesnt already support. | 08:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | (turboprint.de, btw) | 08:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the drivers work with ubuntu fine | 08:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | what, no one is going to point and laugh | 08:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | ? | 08:17 |
| minghua | Diablo-D3: you got bitten by the libfreetype ABI breakage | 08:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | minghua: yeah, crimsun said | 08:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | any word on when thats going to be fixed? | 08:22 |
| Amaranth | when all those apps get rebuilt :P | 08:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah | 08:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, 2400dpi is amazing | 08:25 |
| Amaranth | meh, 2400dpi doesn't make my english papers look any better | 08:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | well | 08:27 |
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| Diablo-D3 | atleast the text of said english paper will be readable =P | 08:27 |
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| pef | hello | 08:58 |
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| Alessio | sorry | 10:32 |
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| Alessio | i'm an ubuntu member and i have signed CoC, who should i contact for @ubuntu.com? | 10:34 |
| Nafallo | Alessio: you get it automatically when you are in that team | 10:38 |
| Alessio | oh great.. | 10:39 |
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| Nafallo | elmo: please sync libdc0 from debian/unstable (ubuntu override okey) | 12:13 |
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| pitti | Hi folks! | 12:48 |
| === pitti . o O {nice to be at home again} | ||
| Nafallo | morning pitti :-) | 12:48 |
| slomo | infinity, lamont-away: please give-back gtksourceview-sharp, gtksourceview-sharp2 and seahorse | 12:51 |
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| sivang | pitti: Martin! | 12:56 |
| sivang | pitti: how was your flight? | 12:56 |
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| siretart | hey martin, morning sebastien! | 12:57 |
| pitti | siretart: Hi! | 12:59 |
| pitti | sivang: pretty smooth, although I had to run 2 km in the Frankfurt airport | 12:59 |
| seb128 | hi siretart, pitti | 12:59 |
| sivang | pitti: lol, run 2km? didn't they have the shuttles ready? | 12:59 |
| seb128 | pitti: welcome to the club :) | 01:00 |
| pitti | hi seb128 | 01:00 |
| siretart | technical question: what shall we do about library package, where we have choosen to strip off the 'c2' suffix, but the debian maintainer insists on having a 'c2' suffix? | 01:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: with 1h20 between flights, I had to run a lot to catch my next plane | 01:00 |
| pitti | sivang: the Frankfurt airport is a mess... | 01:00 |
| sivang | seb128: bon jour seb :) | 01:00 |
| siretart | example: we have binary package 'libfoo', debian has 'libfooc2'. | 01:00 |
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| Nafallo | sivang: that's one word, bonjour :-) | 01:00 |
| sivang | pitti: I had to wait like for 20 minutes in LHR for the shuttles to arrive :) | 01:00 |
| sivang | Nafallo: oops | 01:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: getting the boarding pass, going through security (lot of people waiting here) and running all over the place | 01:00 |
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| pitti | seb128: me too, I even had to put off my shoes for separate scanning | 01:01 |
| sivang | Nafallo: probably that's why Seb is not answering :) | 01:01 |
| pitti | seb128: and they wanted my laptop again | 01:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: utch, security guys really don't like you it seems | 01:02 |
| Nafallo | sivang: naah, he just ignores you ;-) | 01:02 |
| seb128 | hi sivang Nafallo | 01:02 |
| Nafallo | morning seb128 :-) | 01:02 |
| seb128 | no, I just don't say hi 20 times | 01:02 |
| sivang | :-D | 01:02 |
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| seb128 | elmo: gazpacho sync please | 01:06 |
| slomo | seb128: are you aware of librsvg2-2 disappeared from the archives? | 01:06 |
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| seb128 | *** 2.12.5-0ubuntu1 0 | 01:07 |
| seb128 | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages | 01:07 |
| seb128 | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages | 01:07 |
| seb128 | slomo: it didn't? | 01:07 |
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| slomo | seb128: hmm... up-to-date pbuilder: libgnome2.0-cil: Depends: librsvg2-2 (>= 2.9.5) but it is not going to be installed | 01:08 |
| slomo | seb128: same for seahorse yesterday for example | 01:08 |
| seb128 | not going to be installed is usually a broken dep | 01:08 |
| slomo | hmm | 01:09 |
| seb128 | slomo: I've closed you gazpacho merge bug, I've asked a sync yesterday for it | 01:09 |
| slomo | seb128: thanks... i filed it only because you didn't file one and i didn't want the work to be done two times | 01:09 |
| seb128 | slomo: there is no need to file a bug every time you ask a sync | 01:09 |
| slomo | in case of universe there is for merging... it's our policy ;) and otherwise our little tool gets confused which shows the unassigned, assigned and fixed merges | 01:10 |
| Nafallo | our MOTU-tool to keep track depends on it ;-) | 01:10 |
| slomo | seb128: oh sorry because of the rsvg thing... it isn't installable because of libgsf-1... i really need to wake up before saying something ;) | 01:11 |
| seb128 | slomo: I'm going to work on libgsf today | 01:13 |
| seb128 | will be fixed soon | 01:13 |
| seb128 | slomo, Nafallo: where is your tool? | 01:14 |
| slomo | thanks :) can you notify me then? i've currently >5 packages which ftbfs because of that | 01:14 |
| Nafallo | http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/ | 01:14 |
| seb128 | slomo: sure | 01:14 |
| slomo | ok... /me gets some food now :) bbl | 01:15 |
| seb128 | same here | 01:16 |
| seb128 | later | 01:16 |
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| Nafallo | elmo: please sync tora from debian/unstable (ubuntu override okey) | 01:37 |
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| seb128 | 8 merge bugs for avifile? what are you guys doing ... ? | 02:06 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: ARE WE THERE YET? :-) | 02:06 |
| seb128 | MOTU ON CRACK | 02:07 |
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| tseng | seb128: iz gtk boog | 02:07 |
| Mithrandir | I didn't know the MOTUs where implemented using GTK+. | 02:08 |
| Nafallo | there are more than 8 :-) | 02:08 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: are you doing autofilling? | 02:08 |
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| mdke | some problems with LP it seems | 02:09 |
| seb128 | ? | 02:09 |
| Nafallo | seb128: nope. a python-script that filed two indentical bugs right after each other for siretart. now lp seems to have a bug found :-P. | 02:10 |
| siretart | seb128: there is something really weird going on with lp | 02:11 |
| siretart | seb128: I filed ONE (1) bug with the malone email interface | 02:11 |
| siretart | seb128: I'm not sure if there couldn't be actually 2 emails sent out because of some problems with the script I'm using to do that, I already fixed that | 02:11 |
| siretart | seb128: the problem is, that appearently launchpad keeps on processing the same email as new. unfortunatly, noone from the launchpad guys seem to be awake atm | 02:12 |
| seb128 | utch | 02:13 |
| siretart | yeah :/ | 02:13 |
| Nafallo | I wonder why the avifile bug is only even numbers... | 02:13 |
| Nafallo | is there other bugs filed for the odd numbers aswell somewhere? :-/ | 02:13 |
| siretart | try to finde one :) | 02:13 |
| Nafallo | *puuh* :-P | 02:14 |
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| siretart | seb128: I will write a mass merge email when launchpad stops filing new bugs. until then, I have to wait :( | 02:29 |
| seb128 | siretart: I've marked the bug as dup | 02:30 |
| siretart | they keep on getting more. thats the problem here :( | 02:31 |
| seb128 | yeah | 02:31 |
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| slomo | seb128: thanks for fixing librsvg :) | 02:41 |
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| seb128 | slomo: np | 02:49 |
| slomo | seb128: am i right that you can upload to debian? do you want to sponsor 2 packages by me? gnome-user-share and service-discovery-applet? they just need some polishing before | 02:51 |
| seb128 | I can upload to Debian, but I'm quite busy and I prefer to not start beeing sponsor for new packages, I've enough atm | 02:52 |
| slomo | ok, np :) | 02:52 |
| seb128 | for GNOME stuff, #gnome-debian is the right place | 02:52 |
| seb128 | you can join pkg-gnome if you are interested | 02:52 |
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| slomo | (on gimpnet?) i'll ask there for these 2 packages after lool is ok with my wavpack package ;) | 02:54 |
| seb128 | k | 02:54 |
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| \sh | hmmm | 03:12 |
| \sh | glade-gnome is not installable | 03:12 |
| \sh | (breezy that is) | 03:12 |
| seb128 | that's gnome1 | 03:13 |
| seb128 | who cares :) | 03:13 |
| seb128 | this package should have been dropped | 03:13 |
| siretart | thats the spirit! :) | 03:14 |
| \sh | ah -2 is what i want :) | 03:14 |
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| seb128 | elmo: aalib sync please | 03:20 |
| seb128 | ups, this one has already been required by other people | 03:21 |
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| seb128 | elmo: pyorbit sync from Debian please | 03:38 |
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| seb128 | siretart: are you sure that's not your mail setup sending the same mail for the launchpad dups? | 03:39 |
| siretart | seb128: I keep on checking my maillog | 03:41 |
| siretart | >> grep new@bugs.launchpad.net /var/log/exim4/mainlog | 03:41 |
| siretart | 2005-11-12 12:49:21 1Eatsm-0004H6-RK => new@bugs.launchpad.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=fiordland.ubuntu.com [82.211.81.145] | 03:41 |
| siretart | 2005-11-12 12:49:21 1Eatsn-0004HC-GB => new@bugs.launchpad.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=fiordland.ubuntu.com [82.211.81.145] | 03:41 |
| siretart | not any other mails are sent to new@bugs.launchpad.net since then | 03:41 |
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| ogra | siretart, is there any kind of autoreply/bounce in your exim config ? | 03:43 |
| siretart | ogra: even if there was, all outgoing mails would be logged to the logfile | 03:43 |
| zyga | ogra: hi | 03:45 |
| siretart | does anyone happen to know who is in charge for the MTA on bugs.launchpad.net? | 03:45 |
| zyga | ogra: are you the author of hwdb-client? | 03:45 |
| ogra | hey zyga | 03:45 |
| ogra | yup | 03:45 |
| zyga | ogra: bash! :-) | 03:45 |
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| zyga | for not following the ubuntu code of conduct :P | 03:45 |
| zyga | ogra: you neglected i18n, any i18n | 03:46 |
| ogra | huh ? | 03:46 |
| ogra | thats not written in the CoC :) | 03:46 |
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| zyga | ogra: hmm /me checks (if not CoC then something similar) | 03:46 |
| zyga | anyway | 03:46 |
| zyga | do you have plans on adding i18n? | 03:46 |
| ogra | zyga, i planned to fix that up for dapper... but no promises, its not very high prio on my list | 03:46 |
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| zyga | ogra: cool, I'm partially done | 03:46 |
| zyga | ogra: I was hoping to give you patches | 03:47 |
| ogra | thats fine with me | 03:47 |
| ogra | i will also put it up in a bzr tree at some point... but curretnly merge work and ltsp are higher priority for me... | 03:47 |
| zyga | okay, if it appears in bzr give me a hint | 03:48 |
| zyga | I'll use breezy's sources as base okay? | 03:48 |
| ogra | will announce it | 03:48 |
| zyga | (unless dapper brings something significant) | 03:48 |
| ogra | yup, thats fine | 03:48 |
| ogra | the only requested change i currently have is to add a question in the end to optionally give your mailadress if you want to participate in kernel testing... | 03:49 |
| ogra | and the older bugs that idle in bugzilla indeed | 03:49 |
| zyga | just make sure you use gettext in that patch, I'll nicely merge with my stuff ; | 03:49 |
| ogra | will do | 03:50 |
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| zyga | ogra: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/, second list item from the top | 03:51 |
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| zyga | aww, third list item | 03:51 |
| ogra | and ? that doesnt mean i violate anything :) | 03:52 |
| zyga | you did not follow that point, that's for sure ;-) | 03:52 |
| ogra | as our desktop doesnt include the best "accessibility infrastructure" yet | 03:53 |
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| siretart | seb128: are you doing all those merges manually via webinterface? | 04:04 |
| seb128 | siretart: yep | 04:04 |
| seb128 | I don't trust the mail stuff :p | 04:04 |
| siretart | hehe | 04:04 |
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| siretart | thanks. I was doing the first 20 myself, but now I rather wait until that terror ends :/ | 04:05 |
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| seb128 | launchpad guys are on it | 04:06 |
| seb128 | I guess it'll be fixed soon now | 04:06 |
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| siretart | seb128: they are? great news | 04:09 |
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| siretart | I'm really sorry for the mess :( | 04:10 |
| seb128 | not your fault don't worry | 04:10 |
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| seb128 | siretart: mail moved, should stop the bug creation | 04:27 |
| seb128 | elmo: please sync pxlib | 04:27 |
| siretart | seb128: great news. | 04:28 |
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| siretart | seb128: in future, who should I contact when such bugs occurs? | 04:28 |
| seb128 | #launchpad | 04:28 |
| siretart | hm. I tried, but there was no one responding :( | 04:28 |
| seb128 | no luck today because that's saturday and most of launchpad guys are travelling back from UBZ or just arrived home | 04:29 |
| siretart | I thought so, okay | 04:29 |
| siretart | seb128: did you catch all dups or are some left? | 04:30 |
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| seb128 | siretart: I think I caught them | 04:30 |
| zyga | where can I address kernel howto questions? | 04:32 |
| siretart | seb128: thanks a lot! | 04:32 |
| ogra | zyga, #ubuntu-kerne | 04:32 |
| ogra | err #ubuntu-kernel | 04:32 |
| zyga | (seems asleep) | 04:32 |
| ogra | its saturday :) | 04:33 |
| seb128 | siretart: np | 04:33 |
| zyga | darn | 04:34 |
| zyga | I need a kernel with squashfs and unionfs on monday :/ | 04:34 |
| highvoltage | sounds handy for a livecd. | 04:35 |
| zyga | exactly | 04:35 |
| zyga | I'm looking for an easy way to build a snapshot of my current install as a live cd | 04:36 |
| zyga | I've found linux-live.org | 04:36 |
| zyga | but I really don't know how to build the kernel based on what I'm running that would also include those modules | 04:37 |
| highvoltage | squashfs comes with the kernel, you can just choose it with your configure options, i'm not sure if unionfs comes with default kernel yet, but it's an easy install. | 04:37 |
| highvoltage | (if you have your kernel tree somewhere) | 04:37 |
| zyga | unionfs is as a source | 04:37 |
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| zyga | I've never really built kernels before, I've got linux-tree and linux-headers packages | 04:38 |
| highvoltage | i think the easiest way to start is to download a kernel from kernel.org, apt-get install libncurses5-dev and do a make menuconfig | 04:38 |
| highvoltage | but i think there's a proper ubuntu way too. hold on.. | 04:38 |
| seb128 | infinity, lamont-away: please give a retry to libwpd | 04:38 |
| zyga | is there any way to feed the config I'm running to that kernel? | 04:38 |
| highvoltage | zyga: http://wiki.clug.org.za/index.php/How_do_I_compile_my_own_kernel_into_a_deb%3F | 04:39 |
| seb128 | do you use an ubuntu linux package? | 04:39 |
| zyga | highvoltage: thanks :-) | 04:39 |
| zyga | seb128: yes | 04:39 |
| seb128 | zyga: /boot/config-... is the config | 04:40 |
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| seb128 | learning is good ;) | 04:40 |
| zyga | thanks guys, I'll read on and try to make this work | 04:41 |
| zyga | with a bit of luck I might end up with ubuntu-snapshod-as-livecd package that does the work | 04:41 |
| mdke | ubuntu-desktop is installable!! | 04:46 |
| === mdke installs ravenously | ||
| mdke | awesome | 04:46 |
| zyga | seb128: how to pass -j3 for the make invoked by make-kpkg | 04:47 |
| zyga | I've got a SMP box here and I'd like to use it | 04:47 |
| zyga | seb128: nothing, sorry :> | 04:47 |
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| zyga | cool, it builds nicely | 05:01 |
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| robertj_ | *sigh* /. is already carrying a link to Dapper Screenshots... | 05:04 |
| bob2 | haha | 05:04 |
| zyga | what?!? | 05:04 |
| luis_ | maybe I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention, but doesn't it look like breezy? | 05:05 |
| robertj_ | luis: nonono, it says very distinctly in the bottom right hand corner of the greeter that it is Dapper... | 05:05 |
| siretart | yippie!. gjdoc_0.7.6 build depends on java-gcj-compat-dev, which itself builddepends on gjdoc (>= 0.7.6) | 05:05 |
| siretart | life is great, isn't it? :/ | 05:05 |
| luis_ | robertj_: oh, well, then | 05:06 |
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| Chipzz | jdub: sorry to hear about the laptop man | 05:41 |
| Chipzz | jdub: I hope you didn't loose to much work? | 05:41 |
| jdub | about 5 weeks | 05:42 |
| jdub | had a good backup before i left | 05:42 |
| jdub | but had to reconsitute my talk and so on from a muuuuch earlier version | 05:42 |
| Chipzz | sucks :/ | 05:42 |
| Chipzz | but fortunately it was on the last day I guess | 05:43 |
| jdub | it'll be ok, i'm drowning myself in positivity | 05:43 |
| jdub | actually, that was the annoying bit | 05:43 |
| jdub | if it were earlier, losing my credit card wouldn't have been such a hassle ;-) | 05:43 |
| Chipzz | hmyea | 05:44 |
| Chipzz | but kinda ironic that that's what you get for doing work which benefits the public | 05:44 |
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| jsgotangco | jdub: sonia replied back we've fixed things already | 05:44 |
| jdub | jsgotangco, great :-) | 05:45 |
| jdub | Chipzz, i haven't been contributing enough to montreal's drug industry | 05:45 |
| Chipzz | jdub: *g* | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | dapper sshots hah | 05:48 |
| mdke | mmm dapper | 05:49 |
| mdke | i was thinking recently... | 05:49 |
| mdke | the equivalent name for "colony" would tip us off about the duck/dragon controversy | 05:49 |
| mdke | but it turns out they have the same collective noun, goddammit | 05:50 |
| jsgotangco | a colony of ducks | 05:51 |
| siretart | it is a flight of drakes | 05:52 |
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| mdke | yes it is | 05:52 |
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| mdke | but a "flight" applies to dragons and ducks equally | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | well ducks fly | 05:53 |
| jdub | so we were looking for interesting ambiguities during UBZ | 05:54 |
| jdub | and someone mentioned to me that both ducks and dragons lay eggs | 05:54 |
| jdub | i told mdz about this fascinating discovery | 05:55 |
| mdke | both breathe fire too | 05:55 |
| mdke | oh no | 05:55 |
| jdub | and pondered out loud how we could abuse it | 05:55 |
| jdub | when he turned to me | 05:55 |
| jdub | glaring | 05:55 |
| jdub | and said | 05:55 |
| seb128 | hum | 05:55 |
| jdub | "DRAGONS DON'T EXIST." | 05:55 |
| mdke | lol | 05:55 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 05:55 |
| siretart | hey jdub! | 05:55 |
| jdub | i think we know which side of the fence mdz stands | 05:55 |
| mdke | mdz just lives in this crazy world with no dragons | 05:55 |
| siretart | hbd.com | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | we do have dragons except that its only by name and they don't fly (komodo dragon for example) | 05:56 |
| mdke | heh | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | i've seen this slashdot entry about a prehistoric godzilla | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:56 |
| Simira | stupid mdz. Of course dragons exists! | 05:57 |
| robertj_ | Dragons should be a strategic marketing choice for widening Ubuntu's appeal among women | 06:01 |
| desrt | if dragons don't exist then how come the new ubuntu version is named after one? | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | women are into dragons? | 06:02 |
| robertj_ | jsgota: yeah | 06:02 |
| mdke | desrt, it's not | 06:02 |
| Simira | they are? | 06:02 |
| Simira | I mean, we are? | 06:02 |
| desrt | if you wanted it named after a duck you should have gone for like "Mediocre Mallard" | 06:02 |
| Simira | I thought that was more about the knight killing the dragon, desrt? | 06:03 |
| robertj_ | It's right after the Doplhin phase and before the ceramic crap phase | 06:03 |
| mdke | desrt, all the Ubuntu versions have been named after unspectacular animals | 06:03 |
| Nafallo | desrt: it isn't :-). it's a god damn duck! ;-) | 06:03 |
| mdke | of course it's a duck | 06:03 |
| Simira | Nafallo: IT'S A DRAGON! | 06:03 |
| Simira | hrmf... | 06:03 |
| mdke | this dragon business is just a coincidence | 06:03 |
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| Nafallo | Simira: IT'S A DUCK! :-) | 06:04 |
| desrt | mdke; a badger that also happens to be breezy is quite spectacular in my books | 06:04 |
| Simira | DRAGON! | 06:04 |
| mdke | lol | 06:04 |
| mdke | desrt, so is a duck which also happens to be dapper | 06:04 |
| seb128 | ducks are just boring | 06:04 |
| Nafallo | Simira: maswan even has pictures of a couple of them :-P | 06:04 |
| desrt | all ducks are dapper | 06:04 |
| seb128 | dragons rock | 06:04 |
| desrt | except for diseased ones | 06:04 |
| desrt | they just looks really sweet | 06:05 |
| Simira | why aren't they dapper ducks then, eh? | 06:05 |
| desrt | s/looks/look/ | 06:05 |
| Simira | oh, no... | 06:05 |
| janimo | I am waiting for the Pining Parrot | 06:05 |
| desrt | because 'dapper duck' isn't as cool as 'mediocre mallard' | 06:05 |
| Simira | Freaky Ferret | 06:05 |
| Simira | :) | 06:05 |
| neuralis | i'd rather my server breathes friggin fire than swims around lazily on a pond. | 06:05 |
| desrt | i want to know what happened to the dapper dingo! | 06:05 |
| Treenaks | hollandse haring? | 06:05 |
| mdke | neuralis, hopefully it won't do either | 06:05 |
| jdub | next release will start with E | 06:05 |
| jdub | so i'm pitching for Edgy Eagle or similar | 06:05 |
| desrt | the excellent eggplant | 06:06 |
| neuralis | jdub, i was partial to elegant elephant. | 06:06 |
| desrt | [...] | 06:06 |
| siretart | how about angry aardvark *g* | 06:06 |
| mdke | elephants don't exist! | 06:06 |
| siretart | lol | 06:06 |
| neuralis | mdke :-D | 06:06 |
| Treenaks | lumpy lion | 06:06 |
| desrt | mdke; my baby sister got stepped on by an elephant. she died. | 06:06 |
| desrt | they exist. | 06:06 |
| neuralis | zealous zebra? | 06:06 |
| siretart | hrhr | 06:06 |
| jdub | the release after dapper is definitely going to be more edgy than elegant | 06:07 |
| Treenaks | Glorious Gentoo? | 06:07 |
| Nafallo | neuralis: we are following the alphabet here ;-) | 06:07 |
| neuralis | Nafallo, the alphabet doesn't exist. | 06:07 |
| mdke | did everyone see that site that someone wrote to generate ubuntu release names? i forget where i saw it | 06:07 |
| Nafallo | ehm, :-P | 06:07 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: the very special South African alphabet that goes 'W, H, B, D, E' ? | 06:07 |
| mdke | maybe sounder | 06:07 |
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| desrt | hmm | 06:08 |
| Nafallo | Treenaks: nope, we started from dapper forward. don't you ppl read mails? :-P | 06:08 |
| neuralis | treenaks: Wait! Here Be Dragons, Edgar! | 06:08 |
| desrt | the ubuntu release name letters are clearly spelling out some monoalphabetic encryption key | 06:08 |
| desrt | everyone pay attention! | 06:08 |
| Treenaks | neuralis: then dapper _should_ have been Angry Aardvark | 06:08 |
| siretart | edgy elk? | 06:08 |
| slomo | eager elephant like tseng proposed ;) | 06:09 |
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| neuralis | effervescent estemmenosuchus? :) | 06:11 |
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| Treenaks | 06:12 | |
| === Treenaks pokes his ipw2200 | ||
| Treenaks | please stop crashing your firmware | 06:13 |
| === desrt awaits the sexy spaceman release | ||
| Treenaks | desrt: "he's an animal" | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | Mark will have to loose some weight first ;) | 06:14 |
| desrt | :) | 06:14 |
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| Treenaks | desrt: have a look at wiki/ExampleContent ;) | 06:15 |
| Treenaks | desrt: especially the XCF proposal | 06:15 |
| janimo | Keybuk, is your bootchart package different from the one in sid? | 06:15 |
| Keybuk | janimo: yeah, the one in sid just replaces init with bootchart | 06:16 |
| Keybuk | which is a bit late for Ubuntu, we do a lot of stuff in initramfs | 06:16 |
| Keybuk | mine installs itself as an initramfs scripts and hooks | 06:17 |
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| jdub | Keybuk, 'lose' | 06:17 |
| Treenaks | or loosen | 06:18 |
| Treenaks | ;) | 06:18 |
| desrt | Treenaks; oh i do love those | 06:19 |
| Treenaks | jdub: how did you like the extremely-long-talk video? | 06:19 |
| desrt | Treenaks; my friend made one of those of himself | 06:19 |
| desrt | Treenaks; with all of his pants and shirts | 06:19 |
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| Treenaks | desrt: cool :) | 06:19 |
| jdub | Treenaks, only watched bits of it - will have to watch again some time :-) | 06:19 |
| Treenaks | <SCENE DELETED> | 06:20 |
| Nafallo | Treenaks: ohoh? where is that video availible for my hungry wget? :-) | 06:20 |
| ogra | Keybuk, no luck with bootsplash on ltsp :/ | 06:20 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: Not yet. | 06:21 |
| ogra | s/bootsplash/bootchart | 06:21 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: Once jdub's World Tour is over, I'll make it available | 06:21 |
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| Nafallo | Treenaks: so where will it be? :-) | 06:21 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: I'll post a bittorrent link on my blog (which is on planet) | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | accidentally discovering a pant-less sabdfl on the desktop would be disturbing | 06:21 |
| Nafallo | nice :-) | 06:21 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: "We need to keep the content as in-offensive as possible" is a nice note on that page too :) | 06:22 |
| Keybuk | ogra: no luck in which way ... did you install the package? did it regenerate the initramfs to include "bin/nanosleep" and "scripts/init-top/initramfs" ? is there a S99zzz-bootchart-stop in rc2.d ? | 06:22 |
| ogra | Keybuk, all my mounted dirs are read only ... they get read write very late in the bootprocess | 06:22 |
| Keybuk | ogra: that's ok ... it uses /dev/ as the place to live throughout the boot process as it's the only bit of the filesystem that survives into userspace | 06:23 |
| ogra | i get a /var/log/bootchart dir, butr nothing in it indeed | 06:23 |
| Keybuk | right | 06:23 |
| ogra | so it gets copied from somewhere in the end ? | 06:23 |
| Keybuk | can you do the following for me | 06:23 |
| === ogra listens | ||
| Keybuk | gunzip -c /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -t | egrep "(nanosleep|bootchart)" | 06:24 |
| highvoltage | Keybuk: it might encourage more woman to get involved in ubuntu? | 06:24 |
| ogra | bin/nanosleep | 06:25 |
| ogra | 22239 blocks | 06:25 |
| ogra | scripts/init-top/bootchart | 06:25 |
| ogra | Keybuk ^^ | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | highvoltage: the first time I ever met Mark, he'd just come out of the shower and was wearing a bath-robe ... it was the most interesting "hi, I'm your new boss" experience I think I've had | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | ogra: and that's the initramfs that gets given to the clients? | 06:25 |
| ogra | lol | 06:25 |
| ogra | yup | 06:25 |
| highvoltage | Keybuk: lol! | 06:25 |
| ogra | i'm in the chroot | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | ogra: ok, look in /dev/.bootchart -- does that directory exist? | 06:26 |
| highvoltage | Keybuk: the first time i met him, i was filthy, been cleaning up a bunch of really old computers, i think that was even worse for me | 06:26 |
| ogra | Keybuk, nope | 06:26 |
| Keybuk | ogra: ok, does /etc/rc2.d/S99zzz-bootchart-stop exist ? | 06:26 |
| ogra | yup | 06:27 |
| Keybuk | when that runs, is /var/log writable? | 06:27 |
| ogra | yup | 06:28 |
| Keybuk | ok... | 06:28 |
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| Keybuk | edit that for me, and comment out the "clean_jail" line right at the bottom | 06:28 |
| ogra | it gets writable in S32 of rcS.d | 06:28 |
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| ogra | right before create_chart ? | 06:29 |
| ogra | done | 06:29 |
| Keybuk | then reboot | 06:29 |
| ogra | one sec ... | 06:29 |
| ogra | still nothing | 06:32 |
| Keybuk | right, do you have a /dev/.bootchart now? | 06:32 |
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| ogra | nope | 06:33 |
| Keybuk | ok ... this suggests that the initramfs bit isn't getting run | 06:33 |
| Keybuk | can you reboot and add "break" to the kernel command-line | 06:34 |
| ogra | i have .initramfs-tools , .static and .udevdb | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | oh, and take off "splash" | 06:34 |
| ogra | there is no usplash in ltsp yet | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | ok | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | wel, boot it up with break, and it'll drop you in the initramfs | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | check that scripts/init-top/bootchart exists there | 06:35 |
| Keybuk | and that /dev/.bootchart exists there too | 06:35 |
| ogra | oki | 06:35 |
| Keybuk | probably also ps and see whether a bunch of "bootchart bottom" processes are running | 06:35 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: how much more ram does usplash take? | 06:36 |
| hunger_ | There are some packages suggesting/recommending ssh. Shouldnn't that be openssh-client/serve? | 06:36 |
| ogra | highvoltage, donno, i havent experimented with it yet... but way to much imho | 06:37 |
| ogra | the prob is that we need to have the framebuffer modules loaded, they eat the memory... | 06:37 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i was just thinking about the 32MB target. usplash will make that slightly more difficult. | 06:39 |
| ogra | as all modules will | 06:39 |
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| ogra | i think we'll add a lowmem option you can set... this will avoid sound, local devices and usplash | 06:39 |
| ogra | neither of there will work with 32M | 06:39 |
| ogra | s/there/these | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | ouch | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | sorry, i read the rest now. | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i think that's a good idea. most 'new' second hand pc's have 128mb RAM. | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | and if your old computers are still using 32MB, you should probably consider getting some free computers with more ram. | 06:40 |
| ogra | i think our default target will be 64M but with a lowmem option you can castrate it down to 32M | 06:41 |
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| ogra | Keybuk, scripts/init-top/bootchart doesnt exist | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | right | 06:42 |
| ogra | neither does /dev/.bootchart | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | which initramfs do you give to the client? | 06:42 |
| ogra | hmm there are actually two... | 06:42 |
| ogra | one taken from tftp and the other one from the chroot | 06:42 |
| ogra | let me try something... | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | the one from the chroot is almost certainly not the one :) | 06:43 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: I suppose I can take initramfs out of my nick highlight now... =) | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | you may need to regenerate the tftp one so it includes the script | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | jbailey: why? | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | what's wrong with initramfs? | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | jbailey: do you not like it anymore? :p | 06:43 |
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| ogra | Keybuk, right, and i forgot to run ltsp-update-kernels to link them together... | 06:43 |
| ogra | lets try another boot | 06:44 |
| Keybuk | do that gunzip...egrep to make sure the initramfs has both of the bits in | 06:44 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: Not at all. But you and Adam certainly seem to have it well in hand, I probably don't need to look at IRC everytime someone mentions it. =) | 06:45 |
| ogra | i'm sure it will work now... | 06:45 |
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| ogra | was a silly mistake on my side | 06:45 |
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| jbailey | Keybuk: Specifically, I'm more impressed that what I was showing off at UDU is still basically what we wound up going with. =) | 06:47 |
| ogra | hmm, strange... i lost my console on the thin client. ... | 06:48 |
| Keybuk | jbailey: which bit? | 06:48 |
| jbailey | The hook/scripts structure. | 06:48 |
| ogra | WOAH | 06:49 |
| ogra | i have a working bootsplash !!! in ltsp :) | 06:49 |
| Keybuk | now share the png | 06:49 |
| highvoltage | ogra: does it take much more mem? | 06:49 |
| ogra | Keybuk, not bootchart :) | 06:49 |
| ogra | i dunno why i lost the console, i cant get to it | 06:50 |
| Keybuk | heh | 06:50 |
| hunger_ | Would it be possible to get all those transitional packages out of dapper/main? | 06:50 |
| ogra | and usplash times out :/ | 06:50 |
| jbailey | ogra: Didn't bootsplash work for Breezy? It was supposed to. | 06:50 |
| Keybuk | heh, maybe you got the initramfs wrong? | 06:50 |
| jbailey | usplash, rather. | 06:50 |
| jdub | jbailey, he meant bootchart | 06:50 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: I never tested it, but I did get 3 or 4 success reports. | 06:50 |
| ogra | jbailey, nope... | 06:50 |
| jdub | no he didn't | 06:51 |
| ogra | jdub, both :) | 06:51 |
| jdub | ogra, START MAKING SENSE! :) | 06:51 |
| ogra | lol | 06:51 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 06:51 |
| jbailey | jdub has clearly not recovered from UBZ with expectations like that. | 06:51 |
| highvoltage | jdub: too much coffee? | 06:51 |
| Treenaks | wrong timezone? | 06:51 |
| ogra | jdub, i'm playing with th initramfs... so i work on both ends ;) | 06:52 |
| ogra | hmm, where is my console gone .... | 06:52 |
| Treenaks | who needs a console :) | 06:52 |
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| jdub | Keybuk, did we have no-name-yet.com at that first UK meeting? | 06:53 |
| jdub | Keybuk, or did we set it up there? | 06:54 |
| Keybuk | set it up there I think | 06:56 |
| ogra | Keybuk, ok, /dev/.bootchart/ is there now | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | ogra: is there png in /var/log/bootchart ? | 06:59 |
| ogra | nope | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | ok ... so let's debug that | 06:59 |
| ogra | oh, it seems it took some time | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | is there a /var/log/bootchart.tgz ? | 06:59 |
| ogra | it just appeared :) | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | ah | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | heh | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | are you sure that your addition of usplash didn't break your boot a bit? :p | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | also if the client is somewhat gutless, generating the chart could take a while | 07:00 |
| ogra | when i ran ps ax after boot it had: 9674 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh -e /etc/rc2.d/S99zzz-bootchart-stop start | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | ok | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | it was still booting then | 07:00 |
| ogra | its a VIA 533 Mhz | 07:00 |
| ogra | with 128M | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | let's see the chart | 07:00 |
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| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/breezy-20051113-1.png | 07:04 |
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| ogra | i already wiped a lot of the uneeded bootscripts but it still takes 1:24 to boot :( | 07:05 |
| Keybuk | well, straight off, most of your time is spent in dexconf | 07:05 |
| Keybuk | the rest in S40hotplug | 07:05 |
| ogra | is there a way to supress kgameportd from being started at all ? | 07:06 |
| ogra | its useless | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | that's a kernel thread | 07:06 |
| ogra | mdz, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/breezy-20051113-1.png <-- thin client bootchart | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | blacklist the joydev driver, or whatever one causes it to be started | 07:07 |
| ogra | Keybuk, thats enough ? | 07:07 |
| Keybuk | yeah, it just a kthread that deals with the gameport | 07:07 |
| siretart | joysticks on ltsp clients! rock! | 07:07 |
| siretart | ;) | 07:07 |
| ogra | lol | 07:07 |
| Keybuk | could be a PCI driver that's loading it also, so fiddle a little | 07:07 |
| ogra | fine then :) | 07:07 |
| Keybuk | look in /sys, find the driver, then find the devices bound to it | 07:08 |
| ogra | i havent looked at the modules stuff yet ... | 07:08 |
| Keybuk | though it's almost not work worrying about, kernel threads don't really affect the system | 07:08 |
| zyga_laptop | ogra: how do you generate that chart? | 07:08 |
| ogra | i guess its something generic from hid or so ... | 07:08 |
| zyga_laptop | ogra: it could be great for performance analisys of gettext+.desktop | 07:09 |
| Keybuk | your ldm looks somewhat slower than gdm | 07:09 |
| mdke | does everyone else have invalid keysignatures when updating on breezy? | 07:09 |
| ogra | since this thin client has no gameprt | 07:09 |
| ogra | Keybuk, its gnome-canvas in pygtk ... | 07:09 |
| Keybuk | zyga_laptop: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/packages/bootchart_0.8-0ubuntu2_all.deb | 07:09 |
| ogra | sure its slower | 07:09 |
| zyga_laptop | Keybuk: do you make that package? | 07:11 |
| zyga_laptop | ;-) | 07:11 |
| Keybuk | zyga_laptop: yeah | 07:11 |
| zyga_laptop | Konfigurowanie bootchart (0.8-0ubuntu2) ... | 07:11 |
| zyga_laptop | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered. Cannot update. | 07:11 |
| Keybuk | ogra: interesting, the first 20s of your boot is basically initramfs | 07:11 |
| zyga_laptop | was been | 07:11 |
| Keybuk | the next 20s is dexconf | 07:11 |
| Keybuk | then 25s of hotplug | 07:11 |
| Keybuk | then the rest is ldm | 07:11 |
| Keybuk | zyga_laptop: did you just install a new kernel or something? that means it wasn't able to update your initramfs | 07:12 |
| zyga_laptop | Keybuk: I was talking about the grammar bug | 07:12 |
| Keybuk | isn't mine | 07:12 |
| zyga_laptop | s/was/has/ | 07:12 |
| zyga_laptop | ah ;-) | 07:12 |
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| zyga_laptop | actually... no | 07:12 |
| zyga_laptop | I didn't upgrade the kernel | 07:12 |
| ogra | Keybuk, i'd like to get rid of the initial delay of initramfs and of the hotplug delay, then i'd be fine | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | ogra: no idea what the initial delay is | 07:13 |
| ogra | tftp probably | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | it looks almost entirely modprobe | 07:13 |
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| Keybuk | which means you're stuck with it unless you go for a per-machine monolithic kernel | 07:13 |
| ogra | i mean everything is working over the net ... | 07:13 |
| ogra | at least at this point | 07:14 |
| Keybuk | at that point, the initramfs should have been downloaded and be in memory | 07:14 |
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| ogra | i'm not aiming for 30 sec boots anymore, thats for sure, but 45 should be reachable | 07:14 |
| Keybuk | interesting that you've removed readahead from the boot sequence | 07:14 |
| Keybuk | an S01readahead might help a LOT | 07:15 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra, aim for instant boot, and see how far you can get. ;) | 07:15 |
| Keybuk | as it can haul in everything over the network into memory while the machine's fucking about dealing with hardware | 07:15 |
| janimo | mdke, ar e you using the us. mirror by any chance? | 07:15 |
| ogra | Keybuk, readahead in 32MB systems will work ?? | 07:15 |
| Keybuk | ogra: sure | 07:15 |
| Keybuk | you've got to load that stuff into memory ANYWAY | 07:16 |
| mdke | janimo, no, archive.u.c | 07:16 |
| janimo | hmm | 07:16 |
| Keybuk | you may as well do it while the machine's doing other things, so you eliminate the network from the speed problems | 07:16 |
| janimo | I only had bad sigs with the us. mirror | 07:16 |
| zyga_laptop | jbailey: typo ping :) | 07:16 |
| ogra | Keybuk, will play with it ... | 07:16 |
| Keybuk | will also be interesting to see how much the removal of hotplug will help you | 07:17 |
| ogra | it breaks X currently .... | 07:17 |
| janimo | Keybuk, didn;t the spec said something about RA not helping with systems < 128M ? | 07:17 |
| ogra | i already tried the evil way :) | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | janimo: which spec/ | 07:18 |
| janimo | I don;t recall but oneo f the UBZ ones | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | readahead seeds the page cache with files that are going to be read anyway | 07:18 |
| janimo | speeding up boot or something | 07:18 |
| janimo | does it read them into memory? | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | yes | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | but they've got to be read into memory anyway | 07:18 |
| janimo | but before it could use some it may have to swap them out again | 07:19 |
| janimo | if the memory fills faster than the apps need that info no? | 07:19 |
| Keybuk | *shrug* swapping to a local swap partition is still going to be more efficient than having to haul them over ethernet | 07:19 |
| janimo | oh, for ltsp | 07:19 |
| janimo | was there something about swap over nbd? for diskless stations? | 07:20 |
| Keybuk | though I suspect if your boot sequence needs more memory than the machine has, you have problems | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | if you need to load 64MB of apps to boot a machine with 32MB of memory ... you're screwed speedwise | 07:22 |
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| janimo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDPerformance?highlight=%28readahead%29 | 07:26 |
| janimo | Keybuk, that's where I saw about readahead | 07:26 |
| janimo | and small memory | 07:26 |
| ogra | Keybuk, i'll add a lowmem option that switches off nearly everything and just boots up x... that should work with 32M | 07:26 |
| jdub | holy crap | 07:26 |
| jdub | really need a new poll | 07:26 |
| Keybuk | the theory of readahead is that it reads into the page cache files you need later in the boot sequence | 07:27 |
| Keybuk | if the sum total of all the files you need is greater than the amount of memory you can spare for page cache, it won't be a win | 07:27 |
| jdub | our readahead data files haven't been updated since warty though | 07:27 |
| jdub | which ends up sucking | 07:27 |
| Keybuk | except if the sum total of files you need is greater than the amount of memory, you're going to hit swap during boot! | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | let alone when the user is trying to use it | 07:28 |
| janimo | I know, I was just pointing out that what I said earlier is not my idea, read it somewhere :) | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | so it's probably time to go back and figure out why you need more memory to boot the machine than you have | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | and cut out memory-usage so you don't | 07:28 |
| janimo | soem of the memory may be used then discarded, it may not add up | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | jdub: yeah, see the ski-slope on http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/bootcharts/20051109-2.png | 07:28 |
| janimo | whereas with readahead that is what's happening | 07:29 |
| ogra | Keybuk, swap is no option at boottime ... | 07:29 |
| Keybuk | janimo: some maybe, but if you're using lots of memory just to boot the machine that you don't need while running it; again you have problems to solve | 07:29 |
| ogra | i use nbd, its needs to be set up first :) | 07:29 |
| jdub | 404 man | 07:29 |
| jdub | dapper- :) | 07:29 |
| Keybuk | uh http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/bootcharts/dapper-20051109-2.png | 07:29 |
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| tseng | jdub: dont worry | 07:31 |
| tseng | jdub: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=500&slide=22 < here is what dapper looks like | 07:31 |
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| ogra | Keybuk, looking at the cpu/disk diagrams.... | 07:32 |
| tseng | should hold you over for a bit | 07:32 |
| ogra | Keybuk, .... you know that bootchart was not intended as painting tool ? | 07:32 |
| Keybuk | ogra: hmm? | 07:32 |
| ogra | your bootchart loks like you tried painting rohrschach pictures with it :) | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | heh | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | all breezy+dapper boots have that | 07:33 |
| ogra | mine doesnt | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | yours doesn't have readahead in it :p | 07:33 |
| ogra | (not the ltsp one) | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | really, what's your normal one look like? | 07:33 |
| jdub | ah, that is what ubuntu looks like | 07:34 |
| jdub | oh, i can see what they mean about the brown | 07:34 |
| ogra | Keybuk, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dapper-20051111-1base.png | 07:35 |
| ogra | i got it down to 1:04 by removing all the servers and down to 0:54 by removin readahead ! | 07:36 |
| Keybuk | damn, you have the modprobe from hell in there | 07:37 |
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| Keybuk | you're almost entirely in I/O-wait throughout your boot | 07:38 |
| ogra | yup | 07:38 |
| ogra | its not everytime there | 07:38 |
| Keybuk | I/O-wait is bad | 07:38 |
| Keybuk | it means your machine is constantly waiting for the drive to spin | 07:38 |
| ogra | yes, but it doesnt occur every boot and i have no idea why | 07:39 |
| Keybuk | you want solid blue in the top graph, and solid-pink in the bottom one | 07:39 |
| Keybuk | disk or IDE controller is too slow for your machine? | 07:39 |
| ogra | its a 4200 rpm laptop drive :) | 07:39 |
| Keybuk | you're only peaking at 20MB/s | 07:39 |
| Keybuk | whoah, dude, that's WAAYYY underpowered for an AMD64 | 07:39 |
| ogra | yup | 07:39 |
| Keybuk | no wonder it takes frickin' ages to boot | 07:39 |
| ogra | a fresh hoary booted in 35-45 sec | 07:40 |
| tseng | should i run it on a 10k rpm raid0 ? | 07:40 |
| ogra | (*felt*) | 07:40 |
| tseng | :P | 07:40 |
| Keybuk | I'd suggest building some new readahead lists for the the whole sequence, and putting readahead right at the start | 07:40 |
| Simira | ahrg! I'm drowning in "cheap software"-spam! | 07:40 |
| Keybuk | that way your machine won't spend all of it's time going "ARE WE THERE YET?" to your disk | 07:41 |
| ogra | then readahead will wait for the disk to spin up... where is the diff ? | 07:41 |
| tseng | ogra: it will read it all at once | 07:41 |
| Keybuk | readahead will do everything at once for the whole sequence | 07:41 |
| ogra | oh, k | 07:41 |
| tseng | instead of spinning up and down like crazy | 07:41 |
| Keybuk | so you spend 10s reading everything you need into memory | 07:41 |
| Keybuk | then the entire boot happens from memory | 07:41 |
| Keybuk | rather than every, single, operation, needing, to, wait, for, the, disk | 07:41 |
| ogra | ah k | 07:42 |
| jdub | anyone seen an X series tablet in the flesh? | 07:42 |
| thierry_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ seems down... | 07:43 |
| tseng | thierry_: not really. | 07:43 |
| thierry_ | tseng : mmm yeah it works now... strange | 07:43 |
| Znarl | It's slow, thanks to slashdot. | 07:44 |
| HiddenWolf | wiki got slashdotted? | 07:44 |
| Znarl | Yes | 07:45 |
| HiddenWolf | LOL | 07:45 |
| HiddenWolf | only over the nice dapper drake "nothing has changed yet" daily's ? :) | 07:45 |
| HiddenWolf | People should get a life. ;) | 07:45 |
| Znarl | Broke one of our cdimage machines too. *grumbles* | 07:47 |
| HiddenWolf | Znarl, wiki has been slow a lot the last few weeks. Is anything going on, or is it outgrowing itself? | 07:48 |
| Znarl | HiddenWolf : I've not heard this complaint before... I'll take a look. | 07:49 |
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| HiddenWolf | Znarl, it's not terrible or anything, but perhaps worth a look. | 07:50 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: when installing bootchart I get "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered. Cannot update.", is that known? | 07:50 |
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| Keybuk | seb128: yeah, some people seem to get that, no idea what it means | 07:51 |
| seb128 | $ update-initramfs -v -u | 07:52 |
| seb128 | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered. Cannot update. | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | I think it means that the initramfs was altered since update-initramfs was last run | 07:52 |
| seb128 | grumpf | 07:52 |
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| Keybuk | try just mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | or ... | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | update-initramfs -t -u | 07:52 |
| seb128 | k, I used -t | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | one of those will do it | 07:53 |
| seb128 | time to reboot | 07:53 |
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| janimo | why do debian update binary packages instead of source as ubuntu? | 08:24 |
| janimo | s/update/upload/ | 08:24 |
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| siretart | janimo: because thats the first barrier which hinders ppl uploading stuff which doesn't build at all | 08:36 |
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| janimo | hmm a good reason | 08:37 |
| Burglaptop | janimo, I believe it is also because for some of the obscure archs, the only person who has it is the uploader | 08:37 |
| Burglaptop | ergo they cannot upload source and get it built in a debian run buildd | 08:38 |
| janimo | ah | 08:38 |
| siretart | Burglaptop: then that arch would only have those package that developers uploads :P | 08:38 |
| siretart | no, there are autobuilders for every debian release architecture | 08:39 |
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| Burglaptop | ok | 08:41 |
| Burglaptop | even for things like m68k? | 08:41 |
| siretart | for m68k, there is an army of autobuilders in order to keep up with unstable | 08:42 |
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| luis_ | is anyone else seeing the latest gksudo hang regularly? (in dapper) | 09:00 |
| Burglaptop | luis_, there is a report int he ubuntuforums about that | 09:01 |
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| Burglaptop | hmm http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 | 09:05 |
| luis_ | the tango guys have some similar-looking mockups as well | 09:08 |
| ogra | i wonder why they used kde to make gnome mockups :p | 09:10 |
| Riddell | ogra: they have? | 09:12 |
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| luis_ | that panel setup, at least, screams CDE :) | 09:15 |
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| lsuactiafner | rpc aint used on 5.10 but older system on the network needs it, so 5.10 aint backwards compatible with older system that require rpc for nfs | 09:16 |
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| lsuactiafner | and gcc doesnt cross compile 32bit code, so its also borked. | 09:17 |
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| neuralis | Treenaks, ping | 10:42 |
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| jdong | elmo: ping | 10:46 |
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| jdong | yep, guess he's busy :) | 10:47 |
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| kmr | is there a resource where maintainers discuss which upstream versions dapper will contain? Specifically, I'm concerned about which version of mysql dapper will contain. | 11:23 |
| mdke | kmr, mailing list is a decent start | 11:25 |
| kmr | mdke: ubuntu-devel, right? | 11:26 |
| neuralis | kmr, it's not decided yet. | 11:26 |
| mdke | kmr, yeah | 11:26 |
| kmr | I figured that it is not decided, I'm just wondering if there was a typically spot. ubuntu-devel seems like an area of last resort | 11:27 |
| neuralis | kmr, i meant mysql. adam will be making the 4.1 vs 5.0 decision sometime before christmas, pending heavy stress testing and community feedback. | 11:27 |
| kmr | i appreciate for the specific information on mysql. in terms of community feedback (of which I have none to contribute at the moment), where do you imagine that will take place | 11:28 |
| kmr | ubuntu doesn't use bts, right? So, there wouldn't be some sort of "wishlist" bug like "please consider version x.y.z for dapper" for discussions to take place | 11:29 |
| mdke | kmr, yes, you can try that | 11:30 |
| mdke | kmr, see it at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 11:30 |
| neuralis | kmr, end user version-wishes are less important in this case; we're after hardcore testing on complicated mysql installations. if those come back greenflagging 5.0, 5.0 it is. otherwise we'll fall back to 4.1. | 11:31 |
| kmr | mdke: thanks. I heard ubuntu used bugzilla, but never saw the web site | 11:31 |
| mdke | we are switching bts soon, but that is the place for now | 11:31 |
| kmr | mdke: very good | 11:31 |
| kmr | neuralis: that sounds very appropriate | 11:32 |
| kmr | actually, I'm quite interested in the results of the hardcore testing. I'm deploying a server cluster for mysql, and I have the same question in my mind -- use 4.1 or 5.0. | 11:33 |
| kmr | 5.0 does have some carrots for utf-8 encoding innodb tables which the application heavily uses | 11:33 |
| kmr | but, 4.1 has been working great for use thus far on light development duty | 11:34 |
| kmr | mdke: what will be the new bts system? | 11:34 |
| neuralis | kmr: http://launchpad.net/malone | 11:34 |
| kmr | thanks, I'm looking at malone now. I need to provide a bts for the new application | 11:35 |
| neuralis | malone is not open source (yet), so you can't deploy it somewhere else, if that's what you mean. | 11:36 |
| kmr | i see. also, it's strength seems to be tracking remote bts. probably bugzilla will be a better choice for a standalone project | 11:37 |
| kmr | oh, I have another ubuntu-devel question... | 11:38 |
| kmr | back when I was the debian maintainer of sbcl, I created a binary sbcl package for amd64 (to bootstrap the generation of future amd64 sbcl packages). I noticed that package is not in ubuntu. | 11:39 |
| kmr | how would I go about asking the project to take the _amd64.deb debian sbcl binary and putting it in ubuntu? | 11:40 |
| neuralis | kmr: bugzilla is the 800lb. gorilla of bts packages. for smaller projects, look at Trac (integrates with vcs, provides wiki) and Eventum. | 11:41 |
| kmr | appreciate the tip. yes, I've played with a toy installation of bugzilla. it does seem like overkill for a project with a handful of developers. I'll look at Trac - thanks! | 11:42 |
| spstarr_home | trac == good | 11:43 |
| kmr | vote noted, thanks! | 11:43 |
| mdke | kmr, you could use malone if you like. | 11:44 |
| kmr | mdke: thanks for the info. Likely, I'll prefer to run a local copy of the bts on the new cluster for the team | 11:45 |
| kmr | bbiab | 11:45 |
| mdke | fair enough | 11:45 |
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| spstarr_home | mdke: when is malone source going to be available? | 11:50 |
| spstarr_home | I'd like to use that for other stuff | 11:50 |
| mdke | i don't know. but I hope it will not be available in the near future | 11:50 |
| spstarr_home | 'not'? :-( | 11:51 |
| mdke | the whole point is to have everything in the same place | 11:51 |
| spstarr_home | I'd like that to become the defactor big system replacing bugzillas everywhere | 11:51 |
| mdke | but I'm not involved in development, so I'm not the best guide for you | 11:51 |
| spstarr_home | defacto | 11:51 |
| mdke | spstarr_home, me too | 11:51 |
| spstarr_home | s/big/bug | 11:52 |
| spstarr_home | :) | 11:52 |
| kmr | mdke: i see your point. however, using open-source software everywhere, I want our bts data be be processed back a package where we have the ability to examine and modify the source | 11:53 |
| kmr | s/back/by/ | 11:53 |
| mdke | kmr, fair enough | 11:54 |
| kmr | mdke: as is your goal as well | 11:54 |
| mdke | yeap | 11:54 |
| jbailey | zyga_laptop: 'sp? | 11:55 |
| zyga_laptop | jbailey: typo in the profiling package | 11:55 |
| zyga_laptop | 'was been' | 11:55 |
| zyga_laptop | jbailey: just grep for it | 11:55 |
| jbailey | profiling package? | 11:56 |
| jbailey | Like gprof? | 11:56 |
| zyga_laptop | jbailey: nono | 11:56 |
| zyga_laptop | jbailey: bootchart | 11:56 |
| zyga_laptop | jbailey: anyway, someone said it was in your code | 11:56 |
| zyga_laptop | jbailey: bootchart was unable to regenerate initramfs | 11:56 |
| zyga_laptop | and displayed 'was been' | 11:57 |
| jbailey | bootchart is thoroughly not my code. | 11:58 |
| jbailey | =) | 11:58 |
| zyga_laptop | jbailey: I know :) | 11:59 |
| zyga_laptop | zyga_laptop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered. Cannot update. | 11:59 |
| zyga_laptop | * Keybuk points at jbailey ... initramfs is his | 11:59 |
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