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\shsabdfl: please ride the wild elmo !!!!!!!!!!!!!12:03
mdkehe's not here \sh 12:03
mdke;)12:03
\shmdke: so WHAT?12:03
mdkefair enough12:03
\shit was a RIDE REQUEST12:04
Nafallooops12:04
=== Nafallo uploaded amd64.changes :-P
jdubnot many people have signed up to the page12:06
crimsunnice talk last night, jdub 12:06
\shjdub: sorry dude that I was so drunk at that evening..that I pissed u off12:06
jdubthanks crimsun 12:07
jdub\sh, hrm?12:07
ajmitch_evening12:07
\shjdub: yes.,..come one..I went on your nerves...but it doesn't matter12:08
Simiraajmitch_, jdub: know anything more about the thefts? Do you get any refund or insurance-money?12:08
jdubSimira, i know at least spiv and i have company insurance - ajmitch_, did you have travel insurance to cover it?12:09
jduboh, you had a LTT lappy, right?12:09
\shoutch12:09
ajmitch_yeah, but travel insurancve will have to try & cover it12:09
jdubcool12:09
\shtomorrow I have a really serious hangover12:10
ajmitch_we'll see what happens, I've got to contact claire again about the hotel into12:10
ajmitch_s/into/info/12:10
ajmitch_for now I12:11
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Simirajdub: what about you?12:11
ajmitch_'m just trying to enjoy the rest of my holiday :)12:11
\shajmitch_: don't worry12:11
jdubSimira, see above12:11
\shbe happy12:11
=== ajmitch_ is visiting NYC tomorrow with some friends, should be interesting
Simirajdub: ah, I just read "spiv"12:11
\shoh dudes..../quit 0900 question about lady whaetever12:13
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elektranoxhello12:20
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elektranoxI only want to report a bug in gksu: if I insert more than 3 chars the X-Server crashed completly. [Ubuntu 5.10] 12:24
crimsunelektranox: bugzilla.ubuntu.com12:25
Nafalloelektranox: known :-)12:26
Nafalloelektranox: will be fixed when libgksuui1.0-1 arrives in main.12:27
MithrandirNafallo: not if he's using breezy?12:27
Nafalloelektranox: dapper, right? :-)12:28
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elektranoxyes12:29
elektranoxdapper12:29
elektranoxmh oh it's 6.04 sry12:29
Nafallothen the workaround is to kill this process:12:30
Nafallo/usr/bin/sudo -S -p GNOME_SUDO_PASS -v12:30
Nafalloon a terminal outside of X ofcourse12:30
Nafallosudo from a terminal works, so sudo synaptic will still start it etc... :-)12:31
elektranoxyes from terminal by sudo is ok I know12:31
TerminXanyone else upgrade today and now have fonts that look like crap?12:35
NafalloTerminX: upgrade every half-hour, but no. they look like usual :-).12:35
TerminXI'm sure it's something in the new version of freetype but god, they look awful now, heh :\12:35
TerminXthey look okay after dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and selecting autohinter instead of native12:36
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jdubhrm02:31
jdubneed a new poll on the fridge02:32
tritiumjdub, your next few stops on the tour are still TBD?  (Utah, San Francisco, Mexico)?02:35
jdubyeah02:36
tritiumjdub, okay...but in the next few days, I presume?  You're not going to cancel them are you?02:39
jdubi'll definitely be in SFO02:40
jdubdunno about utah02:40
jdubdefinitely mexico02:40
tritiumI see...Utah is within driving distance for me.02:40
tritiumYou're still welcome to stop in New Mexico before you go to Mexico02:42
LaserJockhow about NV? ;-)02:42
zultritium: oh good you can firebomb sco for us02:45
tritiumzul, are they here in NM?02:45
zulutah02:45
tritiumOh, I see what you mean :)02:46
zulor a drive by02:46
tritiumhm, I love ubuntu and all, but I don't think I'd get arrested over it ;)02:46
zulbut you would be doing a public service :)02:47
tritiumheh02:48
anavimI thought sco was done for02:51
anaviman internet sit-in to protest sco's behavior would be cool though02:53
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anavimor similar gandhi-like tactic  :D02:53
lamontgrep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo | tail -1; uname -a02:54
lamontprocessor       : 702:54
lamontLinux nio 2.6.12-9-hppa64-smp #1 SMP Mon Oct 10 15:10:01 UTC 2005 parisc64 GNU/Linux02:54
lamontnow that's a nice breezy machine02:54
crimsunhah, nice02:55
Lathiatheh02:57
Lathiatgimme :)02:57
zullamont, is that the same one you had a ubz?02:58
lamontzul: no.  that's an N-class 8-way machine02:58
zulnot bad02:58
lamontsimilar to the one that will be a porting machine in the DC once we can scrounge such a beast and ship it.03:02
lamontthe one at UBZ was a 2-way A500 with a dead powersupply03:02
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jdubneed a new fridge poll05:38
KeybukUbuntuBelowZero05:44
Keybuk1) the floor05:44
Keybuk2) the temperature05:44
Keybuk(from jbailey)05:44
jdubKeybuk, while you're here,05:45
jdubif the installer finds an adaptec device and a megaraid device in a particular order05:46
KeybukAfter UbuntuBelowZero. I now have:05:46
Keybuk1) a cold05:46
Keybuk2) an upset stomach05:46
Keybuk3) herpes05:46
jdubbut an installed system finds them in the opposite order,05:46
Keybuk4) all of the above05:46
Keybukjdub: yeah, it does that a lot05:46
jdubwhat's a useful way to fix the installed system order?05:46
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jdubsda moves05:47
jdubwhich makes the baby jesus cry05:47
Keybukcotdeath05:47
Keybukaside from blacklisting the annoying one, I can't think of anything05:47
Keybukwe don't try to keep sdXY things05:47
jbailey/etc/mkinitramfs/modules05:47
jbaileyYou can force the load order.05:47
jdubjbailey, order those?05:48
jdubok05:48
jdubthanks05:48
Keybukfor dapper, we're fixing this by allowing root=/dev/by-uuid/blahblah type things05:48
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jbaileyI imagine that for dapper, the installer and the initramfs detection will probably be somewhat more unififed anyway for the cases where by-uuid isn't an option.05:50
jdubthat worked - thanks05:56
jdub(providing tech support to my host!)05:57
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Keybukor whether he's stuck in some Truck-Stop cafe having been sold into servitude for not wearing the red curly wig06:11
jbaileyJordi's blog mentioned something about a flat tire.06:26
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jordiKeybuk: I am in NYC!06:40
jordiAfter getting stuck at the border for a while tho.06:40
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Keybukjordi: did jblack let you honk his horn?06:46
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jordiKeybuk: haha07:19
KeybukI should go to bed soon really07:21
highvoltageKeybuk: you should have a 5) all of the above, and i didn't even attend!07:22
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Diablo-D3hey, has anyone noticed the dissapearance of gimp-print?08:01
Diablo-D3the package is just completely missing08:02
Diablo-D3did it get renamed and someone forgot to setup a forward?08:02
minghuaDiablo-D3: the source package is renamed to gutenprint08:03
Diablo-D3minghua: okay...08:05
Diablo-D3now here comes the $64k question08:05
minghuabut it doesn't seem to be in ubuntu yet08:05
Diablo-D3what package do I install to get gimp to print again?08:05
Diablo-D3gargh.08:05
=== Diablo-D3 is hoping breezy didnt ship in this broken state
Diablo-D3because it'd be pretty bad if gimp users cant print =P08:06
Amaranthum08:08
Amaranthyou must not be on breezy08:08
Diablo-D3Im not08:08
Amaranthoh, yeah, that's only in dapper08:08
anavimnot seeing it in breezy08:09
Diablo-D3okay08:09
Diablo-D3bleh08:09
Amaranthupstream changed the name of the project so debian changed the name of the package08:09
anavimguten-print or gutenprint08:09
Diablo-D3not only does gimp not show the file->print option...08:09
Diablo-D3firefox dies if I try to print08:09
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anavimcupsys-driver-gimpprint is there...08:09
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Diablo-D3anavim: having that installed doesnt convince gimp to enable printing.08:10
Diablo-D3/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libgfxps.so: undefined symbol: FTC_Image_Cache_New08:10
Diablo-D3Im thinking its related to that.08:10
crimsunit's the new libfreetype608:11
crimsunthere are bugs open in Debian for it already08:11
Diablo-D3you know what the great part is?08:11
Diablo-D3kde apps arent affected <308:11
Diablo-D3*effected08:11
Amaranthno, you had it right the first time08:12
Diablo-D3er, oh.08:12
Diablo-D3doh08:12
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Diablo-D3I feel weird having to buy print drivers, btw08:12
Diablo-D3for $40, I can use every printer that cups doesnt already support.08:13
Diablo-D3(turboprint.de, btw)08:13
Diablo-D3and the drivers work with ubuntu fine08:13
Diablo-D3what, no one is going to point and laugh08:17
Diablo-D3?08:17
minghuaDiablo-D3: you got bitten by the libfreetype ABI breakage08:17
Diablo-D3minghua: yeah,  crimsun said08:17
Diablo-D3any word on when thats going to be fixed?08:22
Amaranthwhen all those apps get rebuilt :P08:24
Diablo-D3hah08:24
Diablo-D3btw, 2400dpi is amazing08:25
Amaranthmeh, 2400dpi doesn't make my english papers look any better08:26
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Diablo-D3well08:27
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Diablo-D3atleast the text of said english paper will be readable =P08:27
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pefhello08:58
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Alessiosorry10:32
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Alessioi'm an ubuntu member and i have signed CoC, who should i contact for @ubuntu.com?10:34
NafalloAlessio: you get it automatically when you are in that team10:38
Alessiooh great..10:39
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Nafalloelmo: please sync libdc0 from debian/unstable (ubuntu override okey)12:13
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pittiHi folks!12:48
=== pitti . o O {nice to be at home again}
Nafallomorning pitti :-)12:48
slomoinfinity, lamont-away: please give-back gtksourceview-sharp, gtksourceview-sharp2 and seahorse12:51
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sivangpitti: Martin!12:56
sivangpitti: how was your flight?12:56
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siretarthey martin, morning sebastien!12:57
pittisiretart: Hi!12:59
pittisivang: pretty smooth, although I had to run 2 km in the Frankfurt airport12:59
seb128hi siretart, pitti12:59
sivangpitti: lol, run 2km? didn't they have the shuttles ready?12:59
seb128pitti: welcome to the club :)01:00
pittihi seb128 01:00
siretarttechnical question: what shall we do about library package, where we have choosen to strip off the 'c2' suffix, but the debian maintainer insists on having a 'c2' suffix?01:00
seb128pitti: with 1h20 between flights, I had to run a lot to catch my next plane01:00
pittisivang: the Frankfurt airport is a mess...01:00
sivangseb128: bon jour seb :)01:00
siretartexample: we have binary package 'libfoo', debian has 'libfooc2'.01:00
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Nafallosivang: that's one word, bonjour :-)01:00
sivangpitti: I had to wait like for 20 minutes in LHR for the shuttles to arrive :)01:00
sivangNafallo: oops01:00
seb128pitti: getting the boarding pass, going through security (lot of people waiting here) and running all over the place01:00
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pittiseb128: me too, I even had to put off my shoes for separate scanning01:01
sivangNafallo: probably that's why Seb is not answering :)01:01
pittiseb128: and they wanted my laptop again01:02
seb128pitti: utch, security guys really don't like you it seems01:02
Nafallosivang: naah, he just ignores you ;-)01:02
seb128hi sivang Nafallo01:02
Nafallomorning seb128 :-)01:02
seb128no, I just don't say hi 20 times01:02
sivang:-D01:02
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seb128elmo: gazpacho sync please01:06
slomoseb128: are you aware of librsvg2-2 disappeared from the archives?01:06
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seb128 *** 2.12.5-0ubuntu1 001:07
seb128        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages01:07
seb128        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages01:07
seb128slomo: it didn't?01:07
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slomoseb128: hmm... up-to-date pbuilder: libgnome2.0-cil: Depends: librsvg2-2 (>= 2.9.5) but it is not going to be installed01:08
slomoseb128: same for seahorse yesterday for example01:08
seb128not going to be installed is usually a broken dep01:08
slomohmm01:09
seb128slomo: I've closed you gazpacho merge bug, I've asked a sync yesterday for it01:09
slomoseb128: thanks... i filed it only because you didn't file one and i didn't want the work to be done two times01:09
seb128slomo: there is no need to file a bug every time you ask a sync01:09
slomoin case of universe there is for merging... it's our policy ;) and otherwise our little tool gets confused which shows the unassigned, assigned and fixed merges01:10
Nafalloour MOTU-tool to keep track depends on it ;-)01:10
slomoseb128: oh sorry because of the rsvg thing... it isn't installable because of libgsf-1... i really need to wake up before saying something ;)01:11
seb128slomo: I'm going to work on libgsf today01:13
seb128will be fixed soon01:13
seb128slomo, Nafallo: where is your tool?01:14
slomothanks :) can you notify me then? i've currently >5 packages which ftbfs because of that01:14
Nafallohttp://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/01:14
seb128slomo: sure01:14
slomook... /me gets some food now :) bbl01:15
seb128same here01:16
seb128later01:16
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Nafalloelmo: please sync tora from debian/unstable (ubuntu override okey)01:37
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seb1288 merge bugs for avifile? what are you guys doing ... ?02:06
Mithrandirseb128: ARE WE THERE YET? :-)02:06
seb128MOTU ON CRACK02:07
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tsengseb128: iz gtk boog02:07
MithrandirI didn't know the MOTUs where implemented using GTK+.02:08
Nafallothere are more than 8 :-)02:08
seb128Nafallo: are you doing autofilling?02:08
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mdkesome problems with LP it seems02:09
seb128?02:09
Nafalloseb128: nope. a python-script that filed two indentical bugs right after each other for siretart. now lp seems to have a bug found :-P.02:10
siretartseb128: there is something really weird going on with lp02:11
siretartseb128: I filed ONE (1) bug with the malone email interface02:11
siretartseb128: I'm not sure if there couldn't be actually 2 emails sent out because of some problems with the script I'm using to do that, I already fixed that02:11
siretartseb128: the problem is, that appearently launchpad keeps on processing the same email as new. unfortunatly, noone from the launchpad guys seem to be awake atm02:12
seb128utch02:13
siretartyeah :/02:13
NafalloI wonder why the avifile bug is only even numbers...02:13
Nafallois there other bugs filed for the odd numbers aswell somewhere? :-/02:13
siretarttry to finde one :)02:13
Nafallo*puuh* :-P02:14
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siretartseb128: I will write a mass merge email when launchpad stops filing new bugs. until then, I have to wait :(02:29
seb128siretart: I've marked the bug as dup02:30
siretartthey keep on getting more. thats the problem here :(02:31
seb128yeah02:31
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slomoseb128: thanks for fixing librsvg :)02:41
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seb128slomo: np02:49
slomoseb128: am i right that you can upload to debian? do you want to sponsor 2 packages by me? gnome-user-share and service-discovery-applet? they just need some polishing before02:51
seb128I can upload to Debian, but I'm quite busy and I prefer to not start beeing sponsor for new packages, I've enough atm02:52
slomook, np :)02:52
seb128for GNOME stuff, #gnome-debian is the right place02:52
seb128you can join pkg-gnome if you are interested02:52
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slomo(on gimpnet?) i'll ask there for these 2 packages after lool is ok with my wavpack package ;)02:54
seb128k02:54
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\shhmmm03:12
\shglade-gnome is not installable03:12
\sh(breezy that is)03:12
seb128that's gnome103:13
seb128who cares :)03:13
seb128this package should have been dropped03:13
siretartthats the spirit! :)03:14
\shah -2 is what i want :)03:14
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seb128elmo: aalib sync please03:20
seb128ups, this one has already been required by other people03:21
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seb128elmo: pyorbit sync from Debian please03:38
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seb128siretart: are you sure that's not your mail setup sending the same mail for the launchpad dups?03:39
siretartseb128: I keep on checking my maillog03:41
siretart>> grep new@bugs.launchpad.net /var/log/exim4/mainlog03:41
siretart2005-11-12 12:49:21 1Eatsm-0004H6-RK => new@bugs.launchpad.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=fiordland.ubuntu.com [82.211.81.145] 03:41
siretart2005-11-12 12:49:21 1Eatsn-0004HC-GB => new@bugs.launchpad.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=fiordland.ubuntu.com [82.211.81.145] 03:41
siretartnot any other mails are sent to new@bugs.launchpad.net since then03:41
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ograsiretart, is there any kind of autoreply/bounce in your exim config ?03:43
siretartogra: even if there was, all outgoing mails would be logged to the logfile03:43
zygaogra: hi03:45
siretartdoes anyone happen to know who is in charge for the MTA on bugs.launchpad.net?03:45
zygaogra: are you the author of hwdb-client?03:45
ograhey zyga 03:45
ograyup03:45
zygaogra: bash! :-)03:45
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zygafor not following the ubuntu code of conduct :P03:45
zygaogra: you neglected i18n, any i18n 03:46
ograhuh ? 03:46
ograthats not written in the CoC :)03:46
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zygaogra: hmm /me checks (if not CoC then something similar)03:46
zygaanyway03:46
zygado you have plans on adding i18n?03:46
ograzyga, i planned to fix that up for dapper... but no promises, its not very high prio on my list03:46
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zygaogra: cool, I'm partially done03:46
zygaogra: I  was hoping to give you patches03:47
ograthats fine with me03:47
ograi will also put it up in a bzr tree at some point... but curretnly merge work and ltsp are higher priority for me...03:47
zygaokay, if it appears in bzr give me a hint03:48
zygaI'll use breezy's sources as base okay?03:48
ograwill announce it03:48
zyga(unless dapper brings something significant)03:48
ograyup, thats fine03:48
ograthe only requested change i currently have is to add a question in the end to optionally give your mailadress if you want to participate in kernel testing...03:49
ograand the older bugs that idle in bugzilla indeed03:49
zygajust make sure you use gettext in that patch, I'll nicely merge with my stuff ;03:49
ograwill do03:50
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zygaogra: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/, second list item from the top03:51
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zygaaww, third list item03:51
ograand ? that doesnt mean i violate anything :)03:52
zygayou did not follow that point, that's for sure ;-)03:52
ograas our desktop doesnt include the best "accessibility infrastructure" yet03:53
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siretartseb128: are you doing all those merges manually via webinterface?04:04
seb128siretart: yep04:04
seb128I don't trust the mail stuff :p04:04
siretarthehe04:04
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siretartthanks. I was doing the first 20 myself, but now I rather wait until that terror ends :/04:05
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seb128launchpad guys are on it04:06
seb128I guess it'll be fixed soon now04:06
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siretartseb128: they are? great news04:09
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siretartI'm really sorry for the mess :(04:10
seb128not your fault don't worry04:10
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seb128siretart: mail moved, should stop the bug creation04:27
seb128elmo: please sync pxlib04:27
siretartseb128: great news. 04:28
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siretartseb128: in future, who should I contact when such bugs occurs?04:28
seb128#launchpad04:28
siretarthm. I tried, but there was no one responding :(04:28
seb128no luck today because that's saturday and most of launchpad guys are travelling back from UBZ or just arrived home04:29
siretartI thought so, okay04:29
siretartseb128: did you catch all dups or are some left?04:30
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seb128siretart: I think I caught them04:30
zygawhere can I address kernel howto questions?04:32
siretartseb128: thanks a lot!04:32
ograzyga, #ubuntu-kerne04:32
ograerr #ubuntu-kernel04:32
zyga(seems asleep)04:32
ograits saturday :)04:33
seb128siretart: np04:33
zygadarn04:34
zygaI need a kernel with squashfs and unionfs on monday :/04:34
highvoltagesounds handy for a livecd.04:35
zygaexactly04:35
zygaI'm looking for an easy way to build a snapshot of my current install as a live cd04:36
zygaI've found linux-live.org04:36
zygabut I really don't know how to build the kernel based on what I'm running that would also include those modules04:37
highvoltagesquashfs comes with the kernel, you can just choose it with your configure options, i'm not sure if unionfs comes with default kernel yet, but it's an easy install.04:37
highvoltage(if you have your kernel tree somewhere)04:37
zygaunionfs is as a source 04:37
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zygaI've never really built kernels before, I've got  linux-tree and linux-headers packages04:38
highvoltagei think the easiest way to start is to download a kernel from kernel.org, apt-get install libncurses5-dev and do a make menuconfig04:38
highvoltagebut i think there's a proper ubuntu way too. hold on..04:38
seb128infinity, lamont-away: please give a retry to libwpd04:38
zygais there any way to feed the config I'm running to that kernel?04:38
highvoltagezyga: http://wiki.clug.org.za/index.php/How_do_I_compile_my_own_kernel_into_a_deb%3F04:39
seb128do you use an ubuntu linux package?04:39
zygahighvoltage: thanks :-)04:39
zygaseb128: yes04:39
seb128zyga: /boot/config-... is the config04:40
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seb128learning is good ;)04:40
zygathanks guys, I'll read on and try to make this work04:41
zygawith a bit of luck I might end up with ubuntu-snapshod-as-livecd package that does the work04:41
mdkeubuntu-desktop is installable!!04:46
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mdkeawesome04:46
zygaseb128: how to pass -j3 for the make invoked by make-kpkg04:47
zygaI've got a SMP box here and I'd like to use it04:47
zygaseb128: nothing, sorry :>04:47
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zygacool, it builds nicely05:01
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robertj_*sigh* /. is already carrying a link to Dapper Screenshots...05:04
bob2haha05:04
zygawhat?!?05:04
luis_maybe I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention, but doesn't it look like breezy?05:05
robertj_luis: nonono, it says very distinctly in the bottom right hand corner of the greeter that it is Dapper...05:05
siretartyippie!. gjdoc_0.7.6 build depends on java-gcj-compat-dev, which itself builddepends on gjdoc (>= 0.7.6)05:05
siretartlife is great, isn't it? :/05:05
luis_robertj_: oh, well, then05:06
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Chipzzjdub: sorry to hear about the laptop man05:41
Chipzzjdub: I hope you didn't loose to much work?05:41
jdubabout 5 weeks05:42
jdubhad a good backup before i left05:42
jdubbut had to reconsitute my talk and so on from a muuuuch earlier version05:42
Chipzzsucks :/05:42
Chipzzbut fortunately it was on the last day I guess05:43
jdubit'll be ok, i'm drowning myself in positivity05:43
jdubactually, that was the annoying bit05:43
jdubif it were earlier, losing my credit card wouldn't have been such a hassle ;-)05:43
Chipzzhmyea05:44
Chipzzbut kinda ironic that that's what you get for doing work which benefits the public05:44
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jsgotangcojdub: sonia replied back we've fixed things already05:44
jdubjsgotangco, great :-)05:45
jdubChipzz, i haven't been contributing enough to montreal's drug industry05:45
Chipzzjdub: *g*05:46
jsgotangcohaha05:46
jsgotangcodapper sshots hah05:48
mdkemmm dapper05:49
mdkei was thinking recently...05:49
mdkethe equivalent name for "colony" would tip us off about the duck/dragon controversy05:49
mdkebut it turns out they have the same collective noun, goddammit05:50
jsgotangcoa colony of ducks05:51
siretartit is a flight of drakes05:52
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mdkeyes it is05:52
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mdkebut a "flight" applies to dragons and ducks equally05:52
jsgotangcowell ducks fly05:53
jdubso we were looking for interesting ambiguities during UBZ05:54
jduband someone mentioned to me that both ducks and dragons lay eggs05:54
jdubi told mdz about this fascinating discovery05:55
mdkeboth breathe fire too05:55
mdkeoh no05:55
jduband pondered out loud how we could abuse it05:55
jdubwhen he turned to me05:55
jdubglaring05:55
jduband said05:55
seb128hum05:55
jdub"DRAGONS DON'T EXIST."05:55
mdkelol05:55
jsgotangcohehehe05:55
siretarthey jdub!05:55
jdubi think we know which side of the fence mdz stands05:55
mdkemdz just lives in this crazy world with no dragons05:55
siretarthbd.com05:56
jsgotangcowe do have dragons except that its only by name and they don't fly (komodo dragon for example)05:56
mdkeheh05:56
jsgotangcoi've seen this slashdot entry about a prehistoric godzilla05:56
jsgotangcoheh05:56
Simirastupid mdz. Of course dragons exists!05:57
robertj_Dragons should be a strategic marketing choice for widening Ubuntu's appeal among women06:01
desrtif dragons don't exist then how come the new ubuntu version is named after one?06:02
jsgotangcowomen are into dragons?06:02
robertj_jsgota: yeah06:02
mdkedesrt, it's not06:02
Simirathey are?06:02
SimiraI mean, we are?06:02
desrtif you wanted it named after a duck you should have gone for like "Mediocre Mallard"06:02
SimiraI thought that was more about the knight killing the dragon, desrt?06:03
robertj_It's right after the Doplhin phase and before the ceramic crap phase06:03
mdkedesrt, all the Ubuntu versions have been named after unspectacular animals06:03
Nafallodesrt: it isn't :-). it's a god damn duck! ;-)06:03
mdkeof course it's a duck06:03
SimiraNafallo: IT'S A DRAGON!06:03
Simirahrmf...06:03
mdkethis dragon business is just a coincidence06:03
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NafalloSimira: IT'S A DUCK! :-)06:04
desrtmdke; a badger that also happens to be breezy is quite spectacular in my books06:04
SimiraDRAGON!06:04
mdkelol06:04
mdkedesrt, so is a duck which also happens to be dapper06:04
seb128ducks are just boring06:04
NafalloSimira: maswan even has pictures of a couple of them :-P06:04
desrtall ducks are dapper06:04
seb128dragons rock06:04
desrtexcept for diseased ones06:04
desrtthey just looks really sweet06:05
Simirawhy aren't they dapper ducks then, eh?06:05
desrts/looks/look/06:05
Simiraoh, no...06:05
janimoI am waiting for the Pining Parrot06:05
desrtbecause 'dapper duck' isn't as cool as 'mediocre mallard'06:05
SimiraFreaky Ferret06:05
Simira:)06:05
neuralisi'd rather my server breathes friggin fire than swims around lazily on a pond.06:05
desrti want to know what happened to the dapper dingo!06:05
Treenakshollandse haring?06:05
mdkeneuralis, hopefully it won't do either06:05
jdubnext release will start with E06:05
jdubso i'm pitching for Edgy Eagle or similar06:05
desrtthe excellent eggplant06:06
neuralisjdub, i was partial to elegant elephant. 06:06
desrt[...] 06:06
siretarthow about angry aardvark *g*06:06
mdkeelephants don't exist!06:06
siretartlol06:06
neuralismdke :-D06:06
Treenakslumpy lion06:06
desrtmdke; my baby sister got stepped on by an elephant.  she died.06:06
desrtthey exist.06:06
neuraliszealous zebra?06:06
siretarthrhr06:06
jdubthe release after dapper is definitely going to be more edgy than elegant06:07
TreenaksGlorious Gentoo?06:07
Nafalloneuralis: we are following the alphabet here ;-)06:07
neuralisNafallo, the alphabet doesn't exist.06:07
mdkedid everyone see that site that someone wrote to generate ubuntu release names? i forget where i saw it06:07
Nafalloehm, :-P06:07
TreenaksNafallo: the very special South African alphabet that goes 'W, H, B, D, E' ?06:07
mdkemaybe sounder06:07
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desrthmm06:08
NafalloTreenaks: nope, we started from dapper forward. don't you ppl read mails? :-P06:08
neuralistreenaks: Wait! Here Be Dragons, Edgar!06:08
desrtthe ubuntu release name letters are clearly spelling out some monoalphabetic encryption key06:08
desrteveryone pay attention!06:08
Treenaksneuralis: then dapper _should_ have been Angry Aardvark06:08
siretartedgy elk?06:08
slomoeager elephant like tseng proposed ;)06:09
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neuraliseffervescent estemmenosuchus? :)06:11
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Treenaks06:12
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Treenaksplease stop crashing your firmware06:13
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Treenaksdesrt: "he's an animal"06:14
KeybukMark will have to loose some weight first ;)06:14
desrt:)06:14
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Treenaksdesrt: have a look at wiki/ExampleContent ;)06:15
Treenaksdesrt: especially the XCF proposal06:15
janimoKeybuk, is your bootchart package different from the one in sid?06:15
Keybukjanimo: yeah, the one in sid just replaces init with bootchart06:16
Keybukwhich is a bit late for Ubuntu, we do a lot of stuff in initramfs06:16
Keybukmine installs itself as an initramfs scripts and hooks06:17
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jdubKeybuk, 'lose'06:17
Treenaksor loosen06:18
Treenaks;)06:18
desrtTreenaks; oh i do love those06:19
Treenaksjdub: how did you like the extremely-long-talk video?06:19
desrtTreenaks; my friend made one of those of himself06:19
desrtTreenaks; with all of his pants and shirts06:19
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Treenaksdesrt: cool :)06:19
jdubTreenaks, only watched bits of it - will have to watch again some time :-)06:19
Treenaks<SCENE DELETED>06:20
NafalloTreenaks: ohoh? where is that video availible for my hungry wget? :-)06:20
ograKeybuk, no luck with bootsplash on ltsp :/06:20
TreenaksNafallo: Not yet.06:21
ogras/bootsplash/bootchart06:21
TreenaksNafallo: Once jdub's World Tour is over, I'll make it available06:21
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NafalloTreenaks: so where will it be? :-)06:21
TreenaksNafallo: I'll post a bittorrent link on my blog (which is on planet)06:21
Keybukaccidentally discovering a pant-less sabdfl on the desktop would be disturbing06:21
Nafallonice :-)06:21
TreenaksKeybuk: "We need to keep the content as in-offensive as possible" is a nice note on that page too :)06:22
Keybukogra: no luck in which way ... did you install the package?  did it regenerate the initramfs to include "bin/nanosleep" and "scripts/init-top/initramfs" ?  is there a S99zzz-bootchart-stop in rc2.d ?06:22
ograKeybuk, all my mounted dirs are read only ... they get read write very late in the bootprocess06:22
Keybukogra: that's ok ... it uses /dev/ as the place to live throughout the boot process as it's the only bit of the filesystem that survives into userspace06:23
ograi get a /var/log/bootchart dir, butr nothing in it indeed06:23
Keybukright06:23
ograso it gets copied from somewhere in the end ? 06:23
Keybukcan you do the following for me06:23
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Keybukgunzip -c /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -t | egrep "(nanosleep|bootchart)"06:24
highvoltageKeybuk: it might encourage more woman to get involved in ubuntu?06:24
ograbin/nanosleep06:25
ogra22239 blocks06:25
ograscripts/init-top/bootchart06:25
ograKeybuk ^^06:25
Keybukhighvoltage: the first time I ever met Mark, he'd just come out of the shower and was wearing a bath-robe ... it was the most interesting "hi, I'm your new boss" experience I think I've had06:25
Keybukogra: and that's the initramfs that gets given to the clients?06:25
ogralol06:25
ograyup06:25
highvoltageKeybuk: lol!06:25
ograi'm in the chroot06:25
Keybukogra: ok, look in /dev/.bootchart -- does that directory exist?06:26
highvoltageKeybuk: the first time i met him, i was filthy, been cleaning up a bunch of really old computers, i think that was even worse for me06:26
ograKeybuk, nope06:26
Keybukogra: ok, does /etc/rc2.d/S99zzz-bootchart-stop exist ?06:26
ograyup06:27
Keybukwhen that runs, is /var/log writable?06:27
ograyup06:28
Keybukok...06:28
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Keybukedit that for me, and comment out the "clean_jail" line right at the bottom06:28
ograit gets writable  in S32 of rcS.d06:28
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ograright before create_chart ? 06:29
ogradone06:29
Keybukthen reboot06:29
ograone sec ...06:29
ograstill nothing06:32
Keybukright, do you have a /dev/.bootchart now?06:32
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ogranope06:33
Keybukok ... this suggests that the initramfs bit isn't getting run06:33
Keybukcan you reboot and add "break" to the kernel command-line06:34
ograi have .initramfs-tools , .static and .udevdb06:34
Keybukoh, and take off "splash"06:34
ograthere is no usplash in ltsp yet06:34
Keybukok06:34
Keybukwel, boot it up with break, and it'll drop you in the initramfs06:34
Keybukcheck that scripts/init-top/bootchart exists there06:35
Keybukand that /dev/.bootchart exists there too06:35
ograoki06:35
Keybukprobably also ps and see whether a bunch of "bootchart bottom" processes are running06:35
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highvoltageogra: how much more ram does usplash take?06:36
hunger_There are some packages suggesting/recommending ssh. Shouldnn't that be openssh-client/serve?06:36
ograhighvoltage, donno, i havent experimented with it yet...  but way to much imho06:37
ograthe prob is that we need to have the framebuffer modules loaded, they eat the memory...06:37
highvoltageogra: i was just thinking about the 32MB target. usplash will make that slightly more difficult.06:39
ograas all modules will06:39
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ograi think we'll add a lowmem option you can set... this will avoid sound, local devices and usplash06:39
ograneither of there will work with 32M06:39
ogras/there/these06:39
highvoltageouch06:40
highvoltagesorry, i read the rest now.06:40
highvoltageogra: i think that's a good idea. most 'new' second hand pc's have 128mb RAM.06:40
highvoltageand if your old computers are still using 32MB, you should probably consider getting some free computers with more ram.06:40
ograi think our default target will be 64M but with a lowmem option you can castrate it down to 32M 06:41
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ograKeybuk, scripts/init-top/bootchart doesnt exist06:42
Keybukright06:42
ograneither does /dev/.bootchart06:42
Keybukwhich initramfs do you give to the client?06:42
ograhmm there are actually two...06:42
ograone taken from tftp and the other one from the chroot 06:42
ogralet me try something... 06:43
Keybukthe one from the chroot is almost certainly not the one :)06:43
jbaileyKeybuk: I suppose I can take initramfs out of my nick highlight now... =)06:43
Keybukyou may need to regenerate the tftp one so it includes the script06:43
Keybukjbailey: why?06:43
Keybukwhat's wrong with initramfs?06:43
Keybukjbailey: do you not like it anymore? :p06:43
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ograKeybuk, right, and i forgot to run ltsp-update-kernels to link them together...06:43
ogralets try another boot06:44
Keybukdo that gunzip...egrep to make sure the initramfs has both of the bits in06:44
jbaileyKeybuk: Not at all.  But you and Adam certainly seem to have it well in hand, I probably don't need to look at IRC everytime someone mentions it. =)06:45
ograi'm sure it will work now...06:45
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ograwas a silly mistake on my side06:45
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jbaileyKeybuk: Specifically, I'm more impressed that what I was showing off at UDU is still basically what we wound up going with. =)06:47
ograhmm, strange... i lost my console on the thin client. ...06:48
Keybukjbailey: which bit?06:48
jbaileyThe hook/scripts structure.06:48
ograWOAH06:49
ograi have a working bootsplash !!! in ltsp :)06:49
Keybuknow share the png06:49
highvoltageogra: does it take much more mem?06:49
ograKeybuk, not bootchart :)06:49
ograi dunno why i lost the console, i cant get to it06:50
Keybukheh06:50
hunger_Would it be possible to get all those transitional packages out of dapper/main?06:50
ograand usplash times out :/06:50
jbaileyogra: Didn't bootsplash work for Breezy?  It was supposed to.06:50
Keybukheh, maybe you got the initramfs wrong?06:50
jbaileyusplash, rather.06:50
jdubjbailey, he meant bootchart06:50
jbaileyKeybuk: I never tested it, but I did get 3 or 4 success reports.06:50
ograjbailey, nope... 06:50
jdubno he didn't06:51
ograjdub, both :)06:51
jdubogra, START MAKING SENSE! :)06:51
ogralol06:51
highvoltagehehe06:51
jbaileyjdub has clearly not recovered from UBZ with expectations like that.06:51
highvoltagejdub: too much coffee?06:51
Treenakswrong timezone?06:51
ograjdub, i'm playing with th initramfs... so i work on both ends ;)06:52
ograhmm, where is my console gone ....06:52
Treenakswho needs a console :)06:52
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jdubKeybuk, did we have no-name-yet.com at that first UK meeting?06:53
jdubKeybuk, or did we set it up there?06:54
Keybukset it up there I think06:56
ograKeybuk, ok, /dev/.bootchart/ is there now06:59
Keybukogra: is there png in /var/log/bootchart ?06:59
ogranope06:59
Keybukok ... so let's debug that06:59
ograoh, it seems it took some time06:59
Keybukis there a /var/log/bootchart.tgz ?06:59
ograit just appeared :)06:59
Keybukah07:00
Keybukheh07:00
Keybukare you sure that your addition of usplash didn't break your boot a bit? :p07:00
Keybukalso if the client is somewhat gutless, generating the chart could take a while07:00
ograwhen i ran ps ax after boot it had: 9674 ?        S      0:00 /bin/sh -e /etc/rc2.d/S99zzz-bootchart-stop start07:00
Keybukok07:00
Keybukit was still booting then07:00
ograits a VIA 533 Mhz 07:00
ograwith 128M07:00
Keybuklet's see the chart07:00
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ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/breezy-20051113-1.png07:04
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ograi already wiped a lot of the uneeded bootscripts but it still takes 1:24 to boot  :(07:05
Keybukwell, straight off, most of your time is spent in dexconf07:05
Keybukthe rest in S40hotplug07:05
ograis there a way to supress kgameportd from being started at all ?07:06
ograits useless07:06
Keybukthat's a kernel thread07:06
ogramdz, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/breezy-20051113-1.png <-- thin client bootchart07:06
Keybukblacklist the joydev driver, or whatever one causes it to be started07:07
ograKeybuk, thats enough ? 07:07
Keybukyeah, it just a kthread that deals with the gameport07:07
siretartjoysticks on ltsp clients! rock!07:07
siretart;)07:07
ogralol07:07
Keybukcould be a PCI driver that's loading it also, so fiddle a little07:07
ografine then :)07:07
Keybuklook in /sys, find the driver, then find the devices bound to it07:08
ograi havent looked at the modules stuff yet ...07:08
Keybukthough it's almost not work worrying about, kernel threads don't really affect the system07:08
zyga_laptopogra: how do you generate that chart?07:08
ograi guess its something generic from hid or so ...07:08
zyga_laptopogra: it could be great for performance analisys of gettext+.desktop07:09
Keybukyour ldm looks somewhat slower than gdm07:09
mdkedoes everyone else have invalid keysignatures when updating on breezy?07:09
ograsince this thin client has no gameprt 07:09
ograKeybuk, its gnome-canvas in pygtk ...07:09
Keybukzyga_laptop: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/packages/bootchart_0.8-0ubuntu2_all.deb07:09
ograsure its slower07:09
zyga_laptopKeybuk: do you make that package?07:11
zyga_laptop;-)07:11
Keybukzyga_laptop: yeah07:11
zyga_laptopKonfigurowanie bootchart (0.8-0ubuntu2) ...07:11
zyga_laptop/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered.  Cannot update.07:11
Keybukogra: interesting, the first 20s of your boot is basically initramfs07:11
zyga_laptopwas been07:11
Keybukthe next 20s is dexconf07:11
Keybukthen 25s of hotplug07:11
Keybukthen the rest is ldm07:11
Keybukzyga_laptop: did you just install a new kernel or something?  that means it wasn't able to update your initramfs07:12
zyga_laptopKeybuk: I was talking about the grammar bug07:12
Keybukisn't mine07:12
zyga_laptops/was/has/07:12
zyga_laptopah ;-)07:12
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zyga_laptopactually... no07:12
zyga_laptopI didn't upgrade the kernel 07:12
ograKeybuk, i'd like to get rid of the initial delay of initramfs and of the hotplug delay, then i'd be fine 07:13
Keybukogra: no idea what the initial delay is07:13
ogratftp probably07:13
Keybukit looks almost entirely modprobe07:13
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Keybukwhich means you're stuck with it unless you go for a per-machine monolithic kernel07:13
ograi mean everything is working over the net ...07:13
ograat least at this point07:14
Keybukat that point, the initramfs should have been downloaded and be in memory07:14
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ograi'm not aiming for 30 sec boots anymore, thats for sure, but 45 should be reachable 07:14
Keybukinteresting that you've removed readahead from the boot sequence07:14
Keybukan S01readahead might help a LOT07:15
HiddenWolfogra, aim for instant boot, and see how far you can get. ;)07:15
Keybukas it can haul in everything over the network into memory while the machine's fucking about dealing with hardware07:15
janimomdke, ar e you using the us. mirror by any chance?07:15
ograKeybuk, readahead in 32MB systems will work ??07:15
Keybukogra: sure07:15
Keybukyou've got to load that stuff into memory ANYWAY07:16
mdkejanimo, no, archive.u.c07:16
janimohmm07:16
Keybukyou may as well do it while the machine's doing other things, so you eliminate the network from the speed problems07:16
janimoI only had bad sigs with the us. mirror07:16
zyga_laptopjbailey: typo ping :)07:16
ograKeybuk, will play with it ...07:16
Keybukwill also be interesting to see how much the removal of hotplug will help you07:17
ograit breaks X currently ....07:17
janimoKeybuk, didn;t the spec said something about RA not helping with systems < 128M ?07:17
ograi already tried the evil way :)07:18
Keybukjanimo: which spec/07:18
janimoI don;t recall but oneo f the UBZ ones07:18
Keybukreadahead seeds the page cache with files that are going to be read anyway07:18
janimospeeding up boot or something07:18
janimodoes it read them into memory?07:18
Keybukyes07:18
Keybukbut they've got to be read into memory anyway07:18
janimobut before it could use some it may have to swap them out again07:19
janimoif the memory fills faster than the apps need that info no?07:19
Keybuk*shrug* swapping to a local swap partition is still going to be more efficient than having to haul them over ethernet07:19
janimooh, for ltsp07:19
janimowas there something about swap over nbd? for diskless stations?07:20
Keybukthough I suspect if your boot sequence needs more memory than the machine has, you have problems07:22
Keybukif you need to load 64MB of apps to boot a machine with 32MB of memory ... you're screwed speedwise07:22
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janimohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDPerformance?highlight=%28readahead%2907:26
janimoKeybuk, that's where I saw about readahead07:26
janimoand small memory07:26
ograKeybuk, i'll add a lowmem option that switches off nearly everything and just boots up x... that should work with 32M07:26
jdubholy crap07:26
jdubreally need a new poll07:26
Keybukthe theory of readahead is that it reads into the page cache files you need later in the boot sequence07:27
Keybukif the sum total of all the files you need is greater than the amount of memory you can spare for page cache, it won't be a win07:27
jdubour readahead data files haven't been updated since warty though07:27
jdubwhich ends up sucking07:27
Keybukexcept if the sum total of files you need is greater than the amount of memory, you're going to hit swap during boot!07:28
Keybuklet alone when the user is trying to use it07:28
janimoI know, I was just pointing out that what I said earlier is not my idea, read it somewhere :)07:28
Keybukso it's probably time to go back and figure out why you need more memory to boot the machine than you have07:28
Keybukand cut out memory-usage so you don't07:28
janimosoem of the memory may be used then discarded, it may not add up07:28
Keybukjdub: yeah, see the ski-slope on http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/bootcharts/20051109-2.png07:28
janimowhereas with readahead that is what's happening07:29
ograKeybuk, swap is no option at boottime ...07:29
Keybukjanimo: some maybe, but if you're using lots of memory just to boot the machine that you don't need while running it; again you have problems to solve07:29
ograi use nbd, its needs to be set up first :)07:29
jdub404 man07:29
jdubdapper- :)07:29
Keybukuh http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/bootcharts/dapper-20051109-2.png07:29
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tsengjdub: dont worry07:31
tsengjdub: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=500&slide=22 < here is what dapper looks like07:31
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ograKeybuk, looking at the cpu/disk diagrams.... 07:32
tsengshould hold you over for a bit07:32
ograKeybuk, .... you know that bootchart was not intended as painting tool ?07:32
Keybukogra: hmm?07:32
ograyour bootchart loks like you tried painting rohrschach pictures with it :)07:33
Keybukheh07:33
Keybukall breezy+dapper boots have that07:33
ogramine doesnt07:33
Keybukyours doesn't have readahead in it :p07:33
ogra(not the ltsp one)07:33
Keybukreally, what's your normal one look like?07:33
jdubah, that is what ubuntu looks like07:34
jduboh, i can see what they mean about the brown07:34
ograKeybuk, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dapper-20051111-1base.png07:35
ograi got it down to 1:04 by removing all the servers and down to 0:54 by removin readahead !07:36
Keybukdamn, you have the modprobe from hell in there07:37
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Keybukyou're almost entirely in I/O-wait throughout your boot07:38
ograyup07:38
ograits not everytime there07:38
KeybukI/O-wait is bad07:38
Keybukit means your machine is constantly waiting for the drive to spin07:38
ograyes, but it doesnt occur every boot and i have no idea why 07:39
Keybukyou want solid blue in the top graph, and solid-pink in the bottom one07:39
Keybukdisk or IDE controller is too slow for your machine?07:39
ograits a 4200 rpm laptop drive :)07:39
Keybukyou're only peaking at 20MB/s07:39
Keybukwhoah, dude, that's WAAYYY underpowered for an AMD6407:39
ograyup07:39
Keybukno wonder it takes frickin' ages to boot07:39
ograa fresh hoary booted in 35-45 sec07:40
tsengshould i run it on a 10k rpm raid0 ?07:40
ogra(*felt*)07:40
tseng:P07:40
KeybukI'd suggest building some new readahead lists for the the whole sequence, and putting readahead right at the start07:40
Simiraahrg! I'm drowning in "cheap software"-spam!07:40
Keybukthat way your machine won't spend all of it's time going "ARE WE THERE YET?" to your disk07:41
ograthen readahead will wait for the disk to spin up... where is the diff ?07:41
tsengogra: it will read it all at once07:41
Keybukreadahead will do everything at once for the whole sequence07:41
ograoh, k07:41
tsenginstead of spinning up and down like crazy07:41
Keybukso you spend 10s reading everything you need into memory07:41
Keybukthen the entire boot happens from memory07:41
Keybukrather than every, single, operation, needing, to, wait, for, the, disk07:41
ograah k07:42
jdubanyone seen an X series tablet in the flesh?07:42
thierry_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ seems down...07:43
tsengthierry_: not really.07:43
thierry_tseng : mmm yeah it works now... strange07:43
ZnarlIt's slow, thanks to slashdot.07:44
HiddenWolfwiki got slashdotted?07:44
ZnarlYes07:45
HiddenWolfLOL07:45
HiddenWolfonly over the nice dapper drake "nothing has changed yet" daily's ? :)07:45
HiddenWolfPeople should get a life. ;)07:45
ZnarlBroke one of our cdimage machines too.  *grumbles*07:47
HiddenWolfZnarl, wiki has been slow a lot the last few weeks. Is anything going on, or is it outgrowing itself?07:48
ZnarlHiddenWolf : I've not heard this complaint before... I'll take a look.07:49
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HiddenWolfZnarl, it's not terrible or anything, but perhaps worth a look.07:50
seb128Keybuk: when installing bootchart I get "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered.  Cannot update.", is that known?07:50
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Keybukseb128: yeah, some people seem to get that, no idea what it means07:51
seb128$ update-initramfs -v -u07:52
seb128/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered.  Cannot update.07:52
KeybukI think it means that the initramfs was altered since update-initramfs was last run07:52
seb128grumpf07:52
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Keybuktry just mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k707:52
Keybukor ...07:52
Keybukupdate-initramfs -t -u07:52
seb128k, I used -t07:53
Keybukone of those will do it07:53
seb128time to reboot07:53
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janimowhy do debian update binary packages instead of source as ubuntu?08:24
janimos/update/upload/08:24
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siretartjanimo: because thats the first barrier which hinders ppl uploading stuff which doesn't build at all08:36
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janimohmm a good reason08:37
Burglaptopjanimo, I believe it is also because for some of the obscure archs, the only person who has it is the uploader08:37
Burglaptopergo they cannot upload source and get it built in a debian run buildd08:38
janimoah08:38
siretartBurglaptop: then that arch would only have those package that developers uploads :P08:38
siretartno, there are autobuilders for every debian release architecture08:39
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Burglaptopok08:41
Burglaptopeven for things like m68k?08:41
siretartfor m68k, there is an army of autobuilders in order to keep up with unstable08:42
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luis_is anyone else seeing the latest gksudo hang regularly? (in dapper)09:00
Burglaptopluis_, there is a report int he ubuntuforums about that09:01
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Burglaptophmm http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=3112809:05
luis_the tango guys have some similar-looking mockups as well09:08
ograi wonder why they used kde to make gnome mockups :p09:10
Riddellogra: they have?09:12
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luis_that panel setup, at least, screams CDE :)09:15
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lsuactiafnerrpc aint used on 5.10 but older system on the network needs it, so 5.10 aint backwards compatible with older system that require rpc for nfs09:16
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lsuactiafnerand gcc doesnt cross compile 32bit code, so its also borked.09:17
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neuralisTreenaks, ping10:42
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jdongelmo: ping10:46
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jdongyep, guess he's busy :)10:47
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kmris there a resource where maintainers discuss which upstream versions dapper will contain? Specifically, I'm concerned about which version of mysql dapper will contain.11:23
mdkekmr, mailing list is a decent start11:25
kmrmdke: ubuntu-devel, right?11:26
neuraliskmr, it's not decided yet.11:26
mdkekmr, yeah11:26
kmrI figured that it is not decided, I'm just wondering if there was a typically spot. ubuntu-devel seems like an area of last resort11:27
neuraliskmr, i meant mysql. adam will be making the 4.1 vs 5.0 decision sometime before christmas, pending heavy stress testing and community feedback.11:27
kmri appreciate for the specific information on mysql. in terms of community feedback (of which I have none to contribute at the moment), where do you imagine that will take place11:28
kmrubuntu doesn't use bts, right? So, there wouldn't be some sort of "wishlist" bug like "please consider version x.y.z for dapper" for discussions to take place11:29
mdkekmr, yes, you can try that11:30
mdkekmr, see it at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com11:30
neuraliskmr, end user version-wishes are less important in this case; we're after hardcore testing on complicated mysql installations. if those come back greenflagging 5.0, 5.0 it is. otherwise we'll fall back to 4.1.11:31
kmrmdke: thanks. I heard ubuntu used bugzilla, but never saw the web site11:31
mdkewe are switching bts soon, but that is the place for now11:31
kmrmdke: very good11:31
kmrneuralis: that sounds very appropriate11:32
kmractually, I'm quite interested in the results of the hardcore testing. I'm deploying a server cluster for mysql, and I have the same question in my mind -- use 4.1 or 5.0.11:33
kmr5.0 does have some carrots for utf-8 encoding innodb tables which the application heavily uses11:33
kmrbut, 4.1 has been working great for use thus far on light development duty11:34
kmrmdke: what will be the new bts system?11:34
neuraliskmr: http://launchpad.net/malone11:34
kmrthanks, I'm looking at malone now. I need to provide a bts for the new application11:35
neuralismalone is not open source (yet), so you can't deploy it somewhere else, if that's what you mean.11:36
kmri see. also, it's strength seems to be tracking remote bts. probably bugzilla will be a better choice for a standalone project11:37
kmroh, I have another ubuntu-devel question...11:38
kmrback when I was the debian maintainer of sbcl, I created a binary sbcl package for amd64 (to bootstrap the generation of future amd64 sbcl packages). I noticed that package is not in ubuntu. 11:39
kmrhow would I go about asking the project to take the _amd64.deb debian sbcl binary and putting it in ubuntu?11:40
neuraliskmr: bugzilla is the 800lb. gorilla of bts packages. for smaller projects, look at Trac (integrates with vcs, provides wiki) and Eventum.11:41
kmrappreciate the tip. yes, I've played with a toy installation of bugzilla. it does seem like overkill for a project with a handful of developers. I'll look at Trac - thanks!11:42
spstarr_hometrac == good11:43
kmrvote noted, thanks!11:43
mdkekmr, you could use malone if you like.11:44
kmrmdke: thanks for the info. Likely, I'll prefer to run a local copy of the bts on the new cluster for the team11:45
kmrbbiab11:45
mdkefair enough11:45
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spstarr_homemdke: when is malone source going to be available?11:50
spstarr_homeI'd like to use that for other stuff11:50
mdkei don't know. but I hope it will not be available in the near future11:50
spstarr_home'not'? :-(11:51
mdkethe whole point is to have everything in the same place11:51
spstarr_homeI'd like that to become the defactor big system replacing bugzillas everywhere11:51
mdkebut I'm not involved in development, so I'm not the best guide for you11:51
spstarr_homedefacto11:51
mdkespstarr_home, me too11:51
spstarr_homes/big/bug11:52
spstarr_home:)11:52
kmrmdke: i see your point. however, using open-source software everywhere, I want our bts data be be processed back a package where we have the ability to examine and modify the source11:53
kmrs/back/by/11:53
mdkekmr, fair enough11:54
kmrmdke: as is your goal as well11:54
mdkeyeap11:54
jbaileyzyga_laptop: 'sp?11:55
zyga_laptopjbailey: typo in the profiling package11:55
zyga_laptop'was been'11:55
zyga_laptopjbailey: just grep for it11:55
jbaileyprofiling package?11:56
jbaileyLike gprof?11:56
zyga_laptopjbailey: nono11:56
zyga_laptopjbailey: bootchart11:56
zyga_laptopjbailey: anyway, someone said it was in your code11:56
zyga_laptopjbailey: bootchart was unable to regenerate initramfs11:56
zyga_laptopand displayed 'was been'11:57
jbaileybootchart is thoroughly not my code.11:58
jbailey=)11:58
zyga_laptopjbailey: I know :)11:59
zyga_laptopzyga_laptop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered.  Cannot update.11:59
zyga_laptop* Keybuk points at jbailey ... initramfs is his11:59

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