[12:03] <\sh> sabdfl: please ride the wild elmo !!!!!!!!!!!!! [12:03] he's not here \sh [12:03] ;) [12:03] <\sh> mdke: so WHAT? [12:03] fair enough [12:04] <\sh> it was a RIDE REQUEST [12:04] oops === Nafallo uploaded amd64.changes :-P [12:06] not many people have signed up to the page [12:06] nice talk last night, jdub [12:06] <\sh> jdub: sorry dude that I was so drunk at that evening..that I pissed u off [12:07] thanks crimsun [12:07] \sh, hrm? [12:07] evening [12:08] <\sh> jdub: yes.,..come one..I went on your nerves...but it doesn't matter [12:08] ajmitch_, jdub: know anything more about the thefts? Do you get any refund or insurance-money? [12:09] Simira, i know at least spiv and i have company insurance - ajmitch_, did you have travel insurance to cover it? [12:09] oh, you had a LTT lappy, right? [12:09] <\sh> outch [12:09] yeah, but travel insurancve will have to try & cover it [12:09] cool [12:10] <\sh> tomorrow I have a really serious hangover [12:10] we'll see what happens, I've got to contact claire again about the hotel into [12:10] s/into/info/ [12:11] for now I === calc_ [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] jdub: what about you? [12:11] 'm just trying to enjoy the rest of my holiday :) [12:11] <\sh> ajmitch_: don't worry [12:11] Simira, see above [12:11] <\sh> be happy === ajmitch_ is visiting NYC tomorrow with some friends, should be interesting [12:11] jdub: ah, I just read "spiv" [12:13] <\sh> oh dudes..../quit 0900 question about lady whaetever === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elektranox [n=elektran@p5481D597.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] hello === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-249-56.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] I only want to report a bug in gksu: if I insert more than 3 chars the X-Server crashed completly. [Ubuntu 5.10] [12:25] elektranox: bugzilla.ubuntu.com [12:26] elektranox: known :-) [12:27] elektranox: will be fixed when libgksuui1.0-1 arrives in main. [12:27] Nafallo: not if he's using breezy? [12:28] elektranox: dapper, right? :-) === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] yes [12:29] dapper [12:29] mh oh it's 6.04 sry [12:30] then the workaround is to kill this process: [12:30] /usr/bin/sudo -S -p GNOME_SUDO_PASS -v [12:30] on a terminal outside of X ofcourse [12:31] sudo from a terminal works, so sudo synaptic will still start it etc... :-) [12:31] yes from terminal by sudo is ok I know [12:35] anyone else upgrade today and now have fonts that look like crap? [12:35] TerminX: upgrade every half-hour, but no. they look like usual :-). [12:35] I'm sure it's something in the new version of freetype but god, they look awful now, heh :\ [12:36] they look okay after dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and selecting autohinter instead of native === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bacam [n=bacam@kerouac.projectcolo.org.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.190.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-99-39.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@207.111.195.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@12-222-183-136.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=Hidde@136.190.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xTina [n=xTina@p54A273E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.190.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el_toro [n=jonah@63-231-188-201.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio is now known as otavio[off] === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Awaygir is now known as Aegir === zakame [n=zakame@203.213.210.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@203.213.210.64] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] hrm [02:32] need a new poll on the fridge [02:35] jdub, your next few stops on the tour are still TBD? (Utah, San Francisco, Mexico)? [02:36] yeah [02:39] jdub, okay...but in the next few days, I presume? You're not going to cancel them are you? [02:40] i'll definitely be in SFO [02:40] dunno about utah [02:40] definitely mexico [02:40] I see...Utah is within driving distance for me. [02:42] You're still welcome to stop in New Mexico before you go to Mexico [02:42] how about NV? ;-) [02:45] tritium: oh good you can firebomb sco for us [02:45] zul, are they here in NM? [02:45] utah [02:46] Oh, I see what you mean :) [02:46] or a drive by [02:46] hm, I love ubuntu and all, but I don't think I'd get arrested over it ;) [02:47] but you would be doing a public service :) [02:48] heh [02:51] I thought sco was done for [02:53] an internet sit-in to protest sco's behavior would be cool though === rob1 [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] or similar gandhi-like tactic :D [02:54] grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo | tail -1; uname -a [02:54] processor : 7 [02:54] Linux nio 2.6.12-9-hppa64-smp #1 SMP Mon Oct 10 15:10:01 UTC 2005 parisc64 GNU/Linux [02:54] now that's a nice breezy machine [02:55] hah, nice [02:57] heh [02:57] gimme :) [02:58] lamont, is that the same one you had a ubz? [02:58] zul: no. that's an N-class 8-way machine [02:58] not bad [03:02] similar to the one that will be a porting machine in the DC once we can scrounge such a beast and ship it. [03:02] the one at UBZ was a 2-way A500 with a dead powersupply === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487E646.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elektranox [n=elektran@p5481D597.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60965.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === luis_ [n=louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moquist [n=moquist@pool-70-16-198-174.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-12-191.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@207.111.195.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asewd [n=asewd@modemcable020.96-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] need a new fridge poll [05:44] UbuntuBelowZero [05:44] 1) the floor [05:44] 2) the temperature [05:44] (from jbailey) [05:45] Keybuk, while you're here, [05:46] if the installer finds an adaptec device and a megaraid device in a particular order [05:46] After UbuntuBelowZero. I now have: [05:46] 1) a cold [05:46] 2) an upset stomach [05:46] 3) herpes [05:46] but an installed system finds them in the opposite order, [05:46] 4) all of the above [05:46] jdub: yeah, it does that a lot [05:46] what's a useful way to fix the installed system order? === rob1 [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] sda moves [05:47] which makes the baby jesus cry [05:47] cotdeath [05:47] aside from blacklisting the annoying one, I can't think of anything [05:47] we don't try to keep sdXY things [05:47] /etc/mkinitramfs/modules [05:47] You can force the load order. [05:48] jbailey, order those? [05:48] ok [05:48] thanks [05:48] for dapper, we're fixing this by allowing root=/dev/by-uuid/blahblah type things === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] I imagine that for dapper, the installer and the initramfs detection will probably be somewhat more unififed anyway for the cases where by-uuid isn't an option. [05:56] that worked - thanks [05:57] (providing tech support to my host!) === Keybuk wonders whether Jordi made it to NYC alive [06:11] or whether he's stuck in some Truck-Stop cafe having been sold into servitude for not wearing the red curly wig [06:26] Jordi's blog mentioned something about a flat tire. === sfeehan_ [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan__ [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-132-112.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:40] Keybuk: I am in NYC! [06:40] After getting stuck at the border for a while tho. === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:46] jordi: did jblack let you honk his horn? === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-132-112.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el_toro [n=jonah@63-231-188-201.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] Keybuk: haha [07:21] I should go to bed soon really [07:22] Keybuk: you should have a 5) all of the above, and i didn't even attend! === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Grug [n=todd@64-121-36-162.c3-0.snmt-ubr2.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Grug [n=todd@64-121-36-162.c3-0.snmt-ubr2.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A633AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anavim [n=avavim@c-24-6-158-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Diablo-D3 [i=diablod3@pool-71-241-214-94.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] hey, has anyone noticed the dissapearance of gimp-print? [08:02] the package is just completely missing [08:02] did it get renamed and someone forgot to setup a forward? [08:03] Diablo-D3: the source package is renamed to gutenprint [08:05] minghua: okay... [08:05] now here comes the $64k question [08:05] but it doesn't seem to be in ubuntu yet [08:05] what package do I install to get gimp to print again? [08:05] gargh. === Diablo-D3 is hoping breezy didnt ship in this broken state [08:06] because it'd be pretty bad if gimp users cant print =P [08:08] um [08:08] you must not be on breezy [08:08] Im not [08:08] oh, yeah, that's only in dapper [08:09] not seeing it in breezy [08:09] okay [08:09] bleh [08:09] upstream changed the name of the project so debian changed the name of the package [08:09] guten-print or gutenprint [08:09] not only does gimp not show the file->print option... [08:09] firefox dies if I try to print === Diablo-D3 senses mass conspiracy [08:09] cupsys-driver-gimpprint is there... === Amaranth sends the black helicopters after Diablo-D3 [08:10] anavim: having that installed doesnt convince gimp to enable printing. [08:10] /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libgfxps.so: undefined symbol: FTC_Image_Cache_New [08:10] Im thinking its related to that. [08:11] it's the new libfreetype6 [08:11] there are bugs open in Debian for it already [08:11] you know what the great part is? [08:11] kde apps arent affected <3 [08:11] *effected [08:12] no, you had it right the first time [08:12] er, oh. [08:12] doh === Diablo-D3 is testing out print drivers for his printer [08:12] I feel weird having to buy print drivers, btw [08:13] for $40, I can use every printer that cups doesnt already support. [08:13] (turboprint.de, btw) [08:13] and the drivers work with ubuntu fine [08:17] what, no one is going to point and laugh [08:17] ? [08:17] Diablo-D3: you got bitten by the libfreetype ABI breakage [08:17] minghua: yeah, crimsun said [08:22] any word on when thats going to be fixed? [08:24] when all those apps get rebuilt :P [08:24] hah [08:25] btw, 2400dpi is amazing [08:26] meh, 2400dpi doesn't make my english papers look any better === siimo [n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] well === siimo [n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [08:27] atleast the text of said english paper will be readable =P === Danten [n=danten@h4n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] hello === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D08D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D08D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trigger^ [n=trigger@host14-206.pool8291.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neuralis [n=ike@83-131-15-171.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D08D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [n=danten@h139n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487E646.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alessio [n=alessio@host236-2.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alessio is now known as Alessio [10:32] sorry === YokoZar [n=scott@c-24-10-31-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] i'm an ubuntu member and i have signed CoC, who should i contact for @ubuntu.com? [10:38] Alessio: you get it automatically when you are in that team [10:39] oh great.. === lionel_ [n=lionel@ABordeaux-152-1-6-67.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@67-206.243.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] elmo: please sync libdc0 from debian/unstable (ubuntu override okey) === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-12-191.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@67-206.243.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-12-191.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D2895.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-67-103.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail is now known as slomo === jsz [n=diego@59.Red-80-36-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] Hi folks! === pitti . o O {nice to be at home again} [12:48] morning pitti :-) [12:51] infinity, lamont-away: please give-back gtksourceview-sharp, gtksourceview-sharp2 and seahorse === otavio[off] is now known as otavio [12:56] pitti: Martin! [12:56] pitti: how was your flight? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] hey martin, morning sebastien! [12:59] siretart: Hi! [12:59] sivang: pretty smooth, although I had to run 2 km in the Frankfurt airport [12:59] hi siretart, pitti [12:59] pitti: lol, run 2km? didn't they have the shuttles ready? [01:00] pitti: welcome to the club :) [01:00] hi seb128 [01:00] technical question: what shall we do about library package, where we have choosen to strip off the 'c2' suffix, but the debian maintainer insists on having a 'c2' suffix? [01:00] pitti: with 1h20 between flights, I had to run a lot to catch my next plane [01:00] sivang: the Frankfurt airport is a mess... [01:00] seb128: bon jour seb :) [01:00] example: we have binary package 'libfoo', debian has 'libfooc2'. === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-23-98.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] sivang: that's one word, bonjour :-) [01:00] pitti: I had to wait like for 20 minutes in LHR for the shuttles to arrive :) [01:00] Nafallo: oops [01:00] pitti: getting the boarding pass, going through security (lot of people waiting here) and running all over the place === xTina [n=xTina@p54A27748.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] seb128: me too, I even had to put off my shoes for separate scanning [01:01] Nafallo: probably that's why Seb is not answering :) [01:02] seb128: and they wanted my laptop again [01:02] pitti: utch, security guys really don't like you it seems [01:02] sivang: naah, he just ignores you ;-) [01:02] hi sivang Nafallo [01:02] morning seb128 :-) [01:02] no, I just don't say hi 20 times [01:02] :-D === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-23-98.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] elmo: gazpacho sync please [01:06] seb128: are you aware of librsvg2-2 disappeared from the archives? === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62155.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] *** 2.12.5-0ubuntu1 0 [01:07] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [01:07] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages [01:07] slomo: it didn't? === herzi [n=herzi@d124138.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] seb128: hmm... up-to-date pbuilder: libgnome2.0-cil: Depends: librsvg2-2 (>= 2.9.5) but it is not going to be installed [01:08] seb128: same for seahorse yesterday for example [01:08] not going to be installed is usually a broken dep [01:09] hmm [01:09] slomo: I've closed you gazpacho merge bug, I've asked a sync yesterday for it [01:09] seb128: thanks... i filed it only because you didn't file one and i didn't want the work to be done two times [01:09] slomo: there is no need to file a bug every time you ask a sync [01:10] in case of universe there is for merging... it's our policy ;) and otherwise our little tool gets confused which shows the unassigned, assigned and fixed merges [01:10] our MOTU-tool to keep track depends on it ;-) [01:11] seb128: oh sorry because of the rsvg thing... it isn't installable because of libgsf-1... i really need to wake up before saying something ;) [01:13] slomo: I'm going to work on libgsf today [01:13] will be fixed soon [01:14] slomo, Nafallo: where is your tool? [01:14] thanks :) can you notify me then? i've currently >5 packages which ftbfs because of that [01:14] http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/ [01:14] slomo: sure [01:15] ok... /me gets some food now :) bbl [01:16] same here [01:16] later === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-069-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robot101 [i=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [n=martin@p54B3A89F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] elmo: please sync tora from debian/unstable (ubuntu override okey) === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.15] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] 8 merge bugs for avifile? what are you guys doing ... ? [02:06] seb128: ARE WE THERE YET? :-) [02:07] MOTU ON CRACK === mantiena [n=AKL@ctv-84-55-0-52.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] seb128: iz gtk boog [02:08] I didn't know the MOTUs where implemented using GTK+. [02:08] there are more than 8 :-) [02:08] Nafallo: are you doing autofilling? === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] some problems with LP it seems [02:09] ? [02:10] seb128: nope. a python-script that filed two indentical bugs right after each other for siretart. now lp seems to have a bug found :-P. [02:11] seb128: there is something really weird going on with lp [02:11] seb128: I filed ONE (1) bug with the malone email interface [02:11] seb128: I'm not sure if there couldn't be actually 2 emails sent out because of some problems with the script I'm using to do that, I already fixed that [02:12] seb128: the problem is, that appearently launchpad keeps on processing the same email as new. unfortunatly, noone from the launchpad guys seem to be awake atm [02:13] utch [02:13] yeah :/ [02:13] I wonder why the avifile bug is only even numbers... [02:13] is there other bugs filed for the odd numbers aswell somewhere? :-/ [02:13] try to finde one :) [02:14] *puuh* :-P === lbm [n=lbm@130.225.243.71] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] seb128: I will write a mass merge email when launchpad stops filing new bugs. until then, I have to wait :( [02:30] siretart: I've marked the bug as dup [02:31] they keep on getting more. thats the problem here :( [02:31] yeah === kikidonk [n=kikidonk@ip-83-134-1-191.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ifmy [n=ifmy@ip-80-236-199-86.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty2 [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.150.146.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] seb128: thanks for fixing librsvg :) === sistpoty2 is now known as sistpoty [02:49] slomo: np [02:51] seb128: am i right that you can upload to debian? do you want to sponsor 2 packages by me? gnome-user-share and service-discovery-applet? they just need some polishing before [02:52] I can upload to Debian, but I'm quite busy and I prefer to not start beeing sponsor for new packages, I've enough atm [02:52] ok, np :) [02:52] for GNOME stuff, #gnome-debian is the right place [02:52] you can join pkg-gnome if you are interested === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A633BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] (on gimpnet?) i'll ask there for these 2 packages after lool is ok with my wavpack package ;) [02:54] k === xTina [n=xTina@p54A27748.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] <\sh> hmmm [03:12] <\sh> glade-gnome is not installable [03:12] <\sh> (breezy that is) [03:13] that's gnome1 [03:13] who cares :) [03:13] this package should have been dropped [03:14] thats the spirit! :) [03:14] <\sh> ah -2 is what i want :) === \sh has a light hangover so it's ok [03:20] elmo: aalib sync please [03:21] ups, this one has already been required by other people === olemke [n=olemke@p54896CE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel__ [n=lionel@ABordeaux-152-1-38-11.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel__ [n=lionel@ABordeaux-152-1-38-11.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] elmo: pyorbit sync from Debian please === lionel__ [n=lionel@ABordeaux-152-1-38-11.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] siretart: are you sure that's not your mail setup sending the same mail for the launchpad dups? [03:41] seb128: I keep on checking my maillog [03:41] >> grep new@bugs.launchpad.net /var/log/exim4/mainlog [03:41] 2005-11-12 12:49:21 1Eatsm-0004H6-RK => new@bugs.launchpad.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=fiordland.ubuntu.com [82.211.81.145] [03:41] 2005-11-12 12:49:21 1Eatsn-0004HC-GB => new@bugs.launchpad.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=fiordland.ubuntu.com [82.211.81.145] [03:41] not any other mails are sent to new@bugs.launchpad.net since then === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] siretart, is there any kind of autoreply/bounce in your exim config ? [03:43] ogra: even if there was, all outgoing mails would be logged to the logfile [03:45] ogra: hi [03:45] does anyone happen to know who is in charge for the MTA on bugs.launchpad.net? [03:45] ogra: are you the author of hwdb-client? [03:45] hey zyga [03:45] yup [03:45] ogra: bash! :-) === ogra hides [03:45] for not following the ubuntu code of conduct :P [03:46] ogra: you neglected i18n, any i18n [03:46] huh ? [03:46] thats not written in the CoC :) === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D4336.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] ogra: hmm /me checks (if not CoC then something similar) [03:46] anyway [03:46] do you have plans on adding i18n? [03:46] zyga, i planned to fix that up for dapper... but no promises, its not very high prio on my list === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] ogra: cool, I'm partially done [03:47] ogra: I was hoping to give you patches [03:47] thats fine with me [03:47] i will also put it up in a bzr tree at some point... but curretnly merge work and ltsp are higher priority for me... [03:48] okay, if it appears in bzr give me a hint [03:48] I'll use breezy's sources as base okay? [03:48] will announce it [03:48] (unless dapper brings something significant) [03:48] yup, thats fine [03:49] the only requested change i currently have is to add a question in the end to optionally give your mailadress if you want to participate in kernel testing... [03:49] and the older bugs that idle in bugzilla indeed [03:49] just make sure you use gettext in that patch, I'll nicely merge with my stuff ; [03:50] will do === zyga has found that stuff, it's not in CoC [03:51] ogra: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/, second list item from the top === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] aww, third list item [03:52] and ? that doesnt mean i violate anything :) [03:52] you did not follow that point, that's for sure ;-) [03:53] as our desktop doesnt include the best "accessibility infrastructure" yet === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@212.2.181.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _rene_ [n=rene@dslb-084-056-075-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] seb128: are you doing all those merges manually via webinterface? [04:04] siretart: yep [04:04] I don't trust the mail stuff :p [04:04] hehe === _rene_ [n=rene@dslb-084-056-075-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:05] thanks. I was doing the first 20 myself, but now I rather wait until that terror ends :/ === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [04:06] launchpad guys are on it [04:06] I guess it'll be fixed soon now === martinhj [n=martinhj@238.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:09] seb128: they are? great news === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] I'm really sorry for the mess :( [04:10] not your fault don't worry === lbm [n=lbm@130.225.243.71] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] siretart: mail moved, should stop the bug creation [04:27] elmo: please sync pxlib [04:28] seb128: great news. === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] seb128: in future, who should I contact when such bugs occurs? [04:28] #launchpad [04:28] hm. I tried, but there was no one responding :( [04:29] no luck today because that's saturday and most of launchpad guys are travelling back from UBZ or just arrived home [04:29] I thought so, okay [04:30] seb128: did you catch all dups or are some left? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:30] siretart: I think I caught them [04:32] where can I address kernel howto questions? [04:32] seb128: thanks a lot! [04:32] zyga, #ubuntu-kerne [04:32] err #ubuntu-kernel [04:32] (seems asleep) [04:33] its saturday :) [04:33] siretart: np [04:34] darn [04:34] I need a kernel with squashfs and unionfs on monday :/ [04:35] sounds handy for a livecd. [04:35] exactly [04:36] I'm looking for an easy way to build a snapshot of my current install as a live cd [04:36] I've found linux-live.org [04:37] but I really don't know how to build the kernel based on what I'm running that would also include those modules [04:37] squashfs comes with the kernel, you can just choose it with your configure options, i'm not sure if unionfs comes with default kernel yet, but it's an easy install. [04:37] (if you have your kernel tree somewhere) [04:37] unionfs is as a source === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] I've never really built kernels before, I've got linux-tree and linux-headers packages [04:38] i think the easiest way to start is to download a kernel from kernel.org, apt-get install libncurses5-dev and do a make menuconfig [04:38] but i think there's a proper ubuntu way too. hold on.. [04:38] infinity, lamont-away: please give a retry to libwpd [04:38] is there any way to feed the config I'm running to that kernel? [04:39] zyga: http://wiki.clug.org.za/index.php/How_do_I_compile_my_own_kernel_into_a_deb%3F [04:39] do you use an ubuntu linux package? [04:39] highvoltage: thanks :-) [04:39] seb128: yes [04:40] zyga: /boot/config-... is the config === zyga learns new thing :-) [04:40] learning is good ;) [04:41] thanks guys, I'll read on and try to make this work [04:41] with a bit of luck I might end up with ubuntu-snapshod-as-livecd package that does the work [04:46] ubuntu-desktop is installable!! === mdke installs ravenously [04:46] awesome [04:47] seb128: how to pass -j3 for the make invoked by make-kpkg [04:47] I've got a SMP box here and I'd like to use it [04:47] seb128: nothing, sorry :> === zyga should read first, ask later === luis_ [n=louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@cpe-024-211-158-229.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] cool, it builds nicely === robertj_ [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] *sigh* /. is already carrying a link to Dapper Screenshots... [05:04] haha [05:04] what?!? [05:05] maybe I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention, but doesn't it look like breezy? [05:05] luis: nonono, it says very distinctly in the bottom right hand corner of the greeter that it is Dapper... [05:05] yippie!. gjdoc_0.7.6 build depends on java-gcj-compat-dev, which itself builddepends on gjdoc (>= 0.7.6) [05:05] life is great, isn't it? :/ [05:06] robertj_: oh, well, then === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === odeez [n=zeedo@80.68.92.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [i=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub boggles at a) osdir posting dapper sshots, b) slashdot posting about dapper opening [05:41] jdub: sorry to hear about the laptop man [05:41] jdub: I hope you didn't loose to much work? [05:42] about 5 weeks [05:42] had a good backup before i left [05:42] but had to reconsitute my talk and so on from a muuuuch earlier version [05:42] sucks :/ [05:43] but fortunately it was on the last day I guess [05:43] it'll be ok, i'm drowning myself in positivity [05:43] actually, that was the annoying bit [05:43] if it were earlier, losing my credit card wouldn't have been such a hassle ;-) [05:44] hmyea [05:44] but kinda ironic that that's what you get for doing work which benefits the public === chris38-home3 [i=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] jdub: sonia replied back we've fixed things already [05:45] jsgotangco, great :-) [05:45] Chipzz, i haven't been contributing enough to montreal's drug industry [05:46] jdub: *g* [05:46] haha [05:48] dapper sshots hah [05:49] mmm dapper [05:49] i was thinking recently... [05:49] the equivalent name for "colony" would tip us off about the duck/dragon controversy [05:50] but it turns out they have the same collective noun, goddammit [05:51] a colony of ducks [05:52] it is a flight of drakes === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-213-40.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] yes it is === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] but a "flight" applies to dragons and ducks equally [05:53] well ducks fly [05:54] so we were looking for interesting ambiguities during UBZ [05:54] and someone mentioned to me that both ducks and dragons lay eggs [05:55] i told mdz about this fascinating discovery [05:55] both breathe fire too [05:55] oh no [05:55] and pondered out loud how we could abuse it [05:55] when he turned to me [05:55] glaring [05:55] and said [05:55] hum [05:55] "DRAGONS DON'T EXIST." [05:55] lol [05:55] hehehe [05:55] hey jdub! [05:55] i think we know which side of the fence mdz stands [05:55] mdz just lives in this crazy world with no dragons [05:56] hbd.com [05:56] we do have dragons except that its only by name and they don't fly (komodo dragon for example) [05:56] heh [05:56] i've seen this slashdot entry about a prehistoric godzilla [05:56] heh [05:57] stupid mdz. Of course dragons exists! [06:01] Dragons should be a strategic marketing choice for widening Ubuntu's appeal among women [06:02] if dragons don't exist then how come the new ubuntu version is named after one? [06:02] women are into dragons? [06:02] jsgota: yeah [06:02] desrt, it's not [06:02] they are? [06:02] I mean, we are? [06:02] if you wanted it named after a duck you should have gone for like "Mediocre Mallard" [06:03] I thought that was more about the knight killing the dragon, desrt? [06:03] It's right after the Doplhin phase and before the ceramic crap phase [06:03] desrt, all the Ubuntu versions have been named after unspectacular animals [06:03] desrt: it isn't :-). it's a god damn duck! ;-) [06:03] of course it's a duck [06:03] Nafallo: IT'S A DRAGON! [06:03] hrmf... [06:03] this dragon business is just a coincidence === Simira goes to get some food [06:04] Simira: IT'S A DUCK! :-) [06:04] mdke; a badger that also happens to be breezy is quite spectacular in my books [06:04] DRAGON! [06:04] lol [06:04] desrt, so is a duck which also happens to be dapper [06:04] ducks are just boring [06:04] Simira: maswan even has pictures of a couple of them :-P [06:04] all ducks are dapper [06:04] dragons rock [06:04] except for diseased ones [06:05] they just looks really sweet [06:05] why aren't they dapper ducks then, eh? [06:05] s/looks/look/ [06:05] oh, no... [06:05] I am waiting for the Pining Parrot [06:05] because 'dapper duck' isn't as cool as 'mediocre mallard' [06:05] Freaky Ferret [06:05] :) [06:05] i'd rather my server breathes friggin fire than swims around lazily on a pond. [06:05] i want to know what happened to the dapper dingo! [06:05] hollandse haring? [06:05] neuralis, hopefully it won't do either [06:05] next release will start with E [06:05] so i'm pitching for Edgy Eagle or similar [06:06] the excellent eggplant [06:06] jdub, i was partial to elegant elephant. [06:06] [...] [06:06] how about angry aardvark *g* [06:06] elephants don't exist! [06:06] lol [06:06] mdke :-D [06:06] lumpy lion [06:06] mdke; my baby sister got stepped on by an elephant. she died. [06:06] they exist. [06:06] zealous zebra? [06:06] hrhr [06:07] the release after dapper is definitely going to be more edgy than elegant [06:07] Glorious Gentoo? [06:07] neuralis: we are following the alphabet here ;-) [06:07] Nafallo, the alphabet doesn't exist. [06:07] did everyone see that site that someone wrote to generate ubuntu release names? i forget where i saw it [06:07] ehm, :-P [06:07] Nafallo: the very special South African alphabet that goes 'W, H, B, D, E' ? [06:07] maybe sounder === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-26-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] hmm [06:08] Treenaks: nope, we started from dapper forward. don't you ppl read mails? :-P [06:08] treenaks: Wait! Here Be Dragons, Edgar! [06:08] the ubuntu release name letters are clearly spelling out some monoalphabetic encryption key [06:08] everyone pay attention! [06:08] neuralis: then dapper _should_ have been Angry Aardvark [06:08] edgy elk? [06:09] eager elephant like tseng proposed ;) === Keybuk [n=scott@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] effervescent estemmenosuchus? :) === Keybuk [n=scott@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] === Treenaks pokes his ipw2200 [06:13] please stop crashing your firmware === desrt awaits the sexy spaceman release [06:14] desrt: "he's an animal" [06:14] Mark will have to loose some weight first ;) [06:14] :) === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.40.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] desrt: have a look at wiki/ExampleContent ;) [06:15] desrt: especially the XCF proposal [06:15] Keybuk, is your bootchart package different from the one in sid? [06:16] janimo: yeah, the one in sid just replaces init with bootchart [06:16] which is a bit late for Ubuntu, we do a lot of stuff in initramfs [06:17] mine installs itself as an initramfs scripts and hooks === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home3 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] Keybuk, 'lose' [06:18] or loosen [06:18] ;) [06:19] Treenaks; oh i do love those [06:19] jdub: how did you like the extremely-long-talk video? [06:19] Treenaks; my friend made one of those of himself [06:19] Treenaks; with all of his pants and shirts === chris38-home [i=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] desrt: cool :) [06:19] Treenaks, only watched bits of it - will have to watch again some time :-) [06:20] [06:20] Treenaks: ohoh? where is that video availible for my hungry wget? :-) [06:20] Keybuk, no luck with bootsplash on ltsp :/ [06:21] Nafallo: Not yet. [06:21] s/bootsplash/bootchart [06:21] Nafallo: Once jdub's World Tour is over, I'll make it available === sedak [n=fred@home.nenya.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] Treenaks: so where will it be? :-) [06:21] Nafallo: I'll post a bittorrent link on my blog (which is on planet) [06:21] accidentally discovering a pant-less sabdfl on the desktop would be disturbing [06:21] nice :-) [06:22] Keybuk: "We need to keep the content as in-offensive as possible" is a nice note on that page too :) [06:22] ogra: no luck in which way ... did you install the package? did it regenerate the initramfs to include "bin/nanosleep" and "scripts/init-top/initramfs" ? is there a S99zzz-bootchart-stop in rc2.d ? [06:22] Keybuk, all my mounted dirs are read only ... they get read write very late in the bootprocess [06:23] ogra: that's ok ... it uses /dev/ as the place to live throughout the boot process as it's the only bit of the filesystem that survives into userspace [06:23] i get a /var/log/bootchart dir, butr nothing in it indeed [06:23] right [06:23] so it gets copied from somewhere in the end ? [06:23] can you do the following for me === ogra listens [06:24] gunzip -c /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -t | egrep "(nanosleep|bootchart)" [06:24] Keybuk: it might encourage more woman to get involved in ubuntu? [06:25] bin/nanosleep [06:25] 22239 blocks [06:25] scripts/init-top/bootchart [06:25] Keybuk ^^ [06:25] highvoltage: the first time I ever met Mark, he'd just come out of the shower and was wearing a bath-robe ... it was the most interesting "hi, I'm your new boss" experience I think I've had [06:25] ogra: and that's the initramfs that gets given to the clients? [06:25] lol [06:25] yup [06:25] Keybuk: lol! [06:25] i'm in the chroot [06:26] ogra: ok, look in /dev/.bootchart -- does that directory exist? [06:26] Keybuk: the first time i met him, i was filthy, been cleaning up a bunch of really old computers, i think that was even worse for me [06:26] Keybuk, nope [06:26] ogra: ok, does /etc/rc2.d/S99zzz-bootchart-stop exist ? [06:27] yup [06:27] when that runs, is /var/log writable? [06:28] yup [06:28] ok... === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-9.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] edit that for me, and comment out the "clean_jail" line right at the bottom [06:28] it gets writable in S32 of rcS.d === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A617B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] right before create_chart ? [06:29] done [06:29] then reboot [06:29] one sec ... [06:32] still nothing [06:32] right, do you have a /dev/.bootchart now? === martinhj [n=martinhj@238.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] nope [06:33] ok ... this suggests that the initramfs bit isn't getting run [06:34] can you reboot and add "break" to the kernel command-line [06:34] i have .initramfs-tools , .static and .udevdb [06:34] oh, and take off "splash" [06:34] there is no usplash in ltsp yet [06:34] ok [06:34] wel, boot it up with break, and it'll drop you in the initramfs [06:35] check that scripts/init-top/bootchart exists there [06:35] and that /dev/.bootchart exists there too [06:35] oki [06:35] probably also ps and see whether a bunch of "bootchart bottom" processes are running === chris38-home2 [i=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487E646.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] ogra: how much more ram does usplash take? [06:36] There are some packages suggesting/recommending ssh. Shouldnn't that be openssh-client/serve? [06:37] highvoltage, donno, i havent experimented with it yet... but way to much imho [06:37] the prob is that we need to have the framebuffer modules loaded, they eat the memory... [06:39] ogra: i was just thinking about the 32MB target. usplash will make that slightly more difficult. [06:39] as all modules will === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:39] i think we'll add a lowmem option you can set... this will avoid sound, local devices and usplash [06:39] neither of there will work with 32M [06:39] s/there/these [06:40] ouch [06:40] sorry, i read the rest now. [06:40] ogra: i think that's a good idea. most 'new' second hand pc's have 128mb RAM. [06:40] and if your old computers are still using 32MB, you should probably consider getting some free computers with more ram. [06:41] i think our default target will be 64M but with a lowmem option you can castrate it down to 32M === mcfergus [i=shackan@host17-100.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] Keybuk, scripts/init-top/bootchart doesnt exist [06:42] right [06:42] neither does /dev/.bootchart [06:42] which initramfs do you give to the client? [06:42] hmm there are actually two... [06:42] one taken from tftp and the other one from the chroot [06:43] let me try something... [06:43] the one from the chroot is almost certainly not the one :) [06:43] Keybuk: I suppose I can take initramfs out of my nick highlight now... =) [06:43] you may need to regenerate the tftp one so it includes the script [06:43] jbailey: why? [06:43] what's wrong with initramfs? [06:43] jbailey: do you not like it anymore? :p === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] Keybuk, right, and i forgot to run ltsp-update-kernels to link them together... [06:44] lets try another boot [06:44] do that gunzip...egrep to make sure the initramfs has both of the bits in [06:45] Keybuk: Not at all. But you and Adam certainly seem to have it well in hand, I probably don't need to look at IRC everytime someone mentions it. =) [06:45] i'm sure it will work now... === zyga_ [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] was a silly mistake on my side === chris38-home [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-26-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:47] Keybuk: Specifically, I'm more impressed that what I was showing off at UDU is still basically what we wound up going with. =) [06:48] hmm, strange... i lost my console on the thin client. ... [06:48] jbailey: which bit? [06:48] The hook/scripts structure. [06:49] WOAH [06:49] i have a working bootsplash !!! in ltsp :) [06:49] now share the png [06:49] ogra: does it take much more mem? [06:49] Keybuk, not bootchart :) [06:50] i dunno why i lost the console, i cant get to it [06:50] heh [06:50] Would it be possible to get all those transitional packages out of dapper/main? [06:50] and usplash times out :/ [06:50] ogra: Didn't bootsplash work for Breezy? It was supposed to. [06:50] heh, maybe you got the initramfs wrong? [06:50] usplash, rather. [06:50] jbailey, he meant bootchart [06:50] Keybuk: I never tested it, but I did get 3 or 4 success reports. [06:50] jbailey, nope... [06:51] no he didn't [06:51] jdub, both :) [06:51] ogra, START MAKING SENSE! :) [06:51] lol [06:51] hehe [06:51] jdub has clearly not recovered from UBZ with expectations like that. [06:51] jdub: too much coffee? [06:51] wrong timezone? [06:52] jdub, i'm playing with th initramfs... so i work on both ends ;) [06:52] hmm, where is my console gone .... [06:52] who needs a console :) === ogra installs sshd on the thin client [06:53] Keybuk, did we have no-name-yet.com at that first UK meeting? [06:54] Keybuk, or did we set it up there? [06:56] set it up there I think [06:59] Keybuk, ok, /dev/.bootchart/ is there now [06:59] ogra: is there png in /var/log/bootchart ? [06:59] nope [06:59] ok ... so let's debug that [06:59] oh, it seems it took some time [06:59] is there a /var/log/bootchart.tgz ? [06:59] it just appeared :) [07:00] ah [07:00] heh [07:00] are you sure that your addition of usplash didn't break your boot a bit? :p [07:00] also if the client is somewhat gutless, generating the chart could take a while [07:00] when i ran ps ax after boot it had: 9674 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh -e /etc/rc2.d/S99zzz-bootchart-stop start [07:00] ok [07:00] it was still booting then [07:00] its a VIA 533 Mhz [07:00] with 128M [07:00] let's see the chart === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable086.61-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:04] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/breezy-20051113-1.png === mdz [n=mdz@67.97.190.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] i already wiped a lot of the uneeded bootscripts but it still takes 1:24 to boot :( [07:05] well, straight off, most of your time is spent in dexconf [07:05] the rest in S40hotplug [07:06] is there a way to supress kgameportd from being started at all ? [07:06] its useless [07:06] that's a kernel thread [07:06] mdz, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/breezy-20051113-1.png <-- thin client bootchart [07:07] blacklist the joydev driver, or whatever one causes it to be started [07:07] Keybuk, thats enough ? [07:07] yeah, it just a kthread that deals with the gameport [07:07] joysticks on ltsp clients! rock! [07:07] ;) [07:07] lol [07:07] could be a PCI driver that's loading it also, so fiddle a little [07:07] fine then :) [07:08] look in /sys, find the driver, then find the devices bound to it [07:08] i havent looked at the modules stuff yet ... [07:08] though it's almost not work worrying about, kernel threads don't really affect the system [07:08] ogra: how do you generate that chart? [07:08] i guess its something generic from hid or so ... [07:09] ogra: it could be great for performance analisys of gettext+.desktop [07:09] your ldm looks somewhat slower than gdm [07:09] does everyone else have invalid keysignatures when updating on breezy? [07:09] since this thin client has no gameprt [07:09] Keybuk, its gnome-canvas in pygtk ... [07:09] zyga_laptop: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/packages/bootchart_0.8-0ubuntu2_all.deb [07:09] sure its slower [07:11] Keybuk: do you make that package? [07:11] ;-) [07:11] zyga_laptop: yeah [07:11] Konfigurowanie bootchart (0.8-0ubuntu2) ... [07:11] /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered. Cannot update. [07:11] ogra: interesting, the first 20s of your boot is basically initramfs [07:11] was been [07:11] the next 20s is dexconf [07:11] then 25s of hotplug [07:11] then the rest is ldm [07:12] zyga_laptop: did you just install a new kernel or something? that means it wasn't able to update your initramfs [07:12] Keybuk: I was talking about the grammar bug [07:12] isn't mine [07:12] s/was/has/ [07:12] ah ;-) === Keybuk points at jbailey ... initramfs is his [07:12] actually... no [07:12] I didn't upgrade the kernel [07:13] Keybuk, i'd like to get rid of the initial delay of initramfs and of the hotplug delay, then i'd be fine [07:13] ogra: no idea what the initial delay is [07:13] tftp probably [07:13] it looks almost entirely modprobe === herzi [n=herzi@d006149.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] which means you're stuck with it unless you go for a per-machine monolithic kernel [07:13] i mean everything is working over the net ... [07:14] at least at this point [07:14] at that point, the initramfs should have been downloaded and be in memory === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-176-113.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] i'm not aiming for 30 sec boots anymore, thats for sure, but 45 should be reachable [07:14] interesting that you've removed readahead from the boot sequence [07:15] an S01readahead might help a LOT [07:15] ogra, aim for instant boot, and see how far you can get. ;) [07:15] as it can haul in everything over the network into memory while the machine's fucking about dealing with hardware [07:15] mdke, ar e you using the us. mirror by any chance? [07:15] Keybuk, readahead in 32MB systems will work ?? [07:15] ogra: sure [07:16] you've got to load that stuff into memory ANYWAY [07:16] janimo, no, archive.u.c [07:16] hmm [07:16] you may as well do it while the machine's doing other things, so you eliminate the network from the speed problems [07:16] I only had bad sigs with the us. mirror [07:16] jbailey: typo ping :) [07:16] Keybuk, will play with it ... [07:17] will also be interesting to see how much the removal of hotplug will help you [07:17] it breaks X currently .... [07:17] Keybuk, didn;t the spec said something about RA not helping with systems < 128M ? [07:18] i already tried the evil way :) [07:18] janimo: which spec/ [07:18] I don;t recall but oneo f the UBZ ones [07:18] readahead seeds the page cache with files that are going to be read anyway [07:18] speeding up boot or something [07:18] does it read them into memory? [07:18] yes [07:18] but they've got to be read into memory anyway [07:19] but before it could use some it may have to swap them out again [07:19] if the memory fills faster than the apps need that info no? [07:19] *shrug* swapping to a local swap partition is still going to be more efficient than having to haul them over ethernet [07:19] oh, for ltsp [07:20] was there something about swap over nbd? for diskless stations? [07:22] though I suspect if your boot sequence needs more memory than the machine has, you have problems [07:22] if you need to load 64MB of apps to boot a machine with 32MB of memory ... you're screwed speedwise === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-26-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@cpe-024-211-158-229.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDPerformance?highlight=%28readahead%29 [07:26] Keybuk, that's where I saw about readahead [07:26] and small memory [07:26] Keybuk, i'll add a lowmem option that switches off nearly everything and just boots up x... that should work with 32M [07:26] holy crap [07:26] really need a new poll [07:27] the theory of readahead is that it reads into the page cache files you need later in the boot sequence [07:27] if the sum total of all the files you need is greater than the amount of memory you can spare for page cache, it won't be a win [07:27] our readahead data files haven't been updated since warty though [07:27] which ends up sucking [07:28] except if the sum total of files you need is greater than the amount of memory, you're going to hit swap during boot! [07:28] let alone when the user is trying to use it [07:28] I know, I was just pointing out that what I said earlier is not my idea, read it somewhere :) [07:28] so it's probably time to go back and figure out why you need more memory to boot the machine than you have [07:28] and cut out memory-usage so you don't [07:28] soem of the memory may be used then discarded, it may not add up [07:28] jdub: yeah, see the ski-slope on http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/bootcharts/20051109-2.png [07:29] whereas with readahead that is what's happening [07:29] Keybuk, swap is no option at boottime ... [07:29] janimo: some maybe, but if you're using lots of memory just to boot the machine that you don't need while running it; again you have problems to solve [07:29] i use nbd, its needs to be set up first :) [07:29] 404 man [07:29] dapper- :) [07:29] uh http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/bootcharts/dapper-20051109-2.png === corey_ [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] jdub: dont worry [07:31] jdub: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=500&slide=22 < here is what dapper looks like === lamont [n=lamont@207.111.195.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] Keybuk, looking at the cpu/disk diagrams.... [07:32] should hold you over for a bit [07:32] Keybuk, .... you know that bootchart was not intended as painting tool ? [07:32] ogra: hmm? [07:33] your bootchart loks like you tried painting rohrschach pictures with it :) [07:33] heh [07:33] all breezy+dapper boots have that [07:33] mine doesnt [07:33] yours doesn't have readahead in it :p [07:33] (not the ltsp one) [07:33] really, what's your normal one look like? [07:34] ah, that is what ubuntu looks like [07:34] oh, i can see what they mean about the brown [07:35] Keybuk, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dapper-20051111-1base.png [07:36] i got it down to 1:04 by removing all the servers and down to 0:54 by removin readahead ! [07:37] damn, you have the modprobe from hell in there === robertj [n=crystalc@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] you're almost entirely in I/O-wait throughout your boot [07:38] yup [07:38] its not everytime there [07:38] I/O-wait is bad [07:38] it means your machine is constantly waiting for the drive to spin [07:39] yes, but it doesnt occur every boot and i have no idea why [07:39] you want solid blue in the top graph, and solid-pink in the bottom one [07:39] disk or IDE controller is too slow for your machine? [07:39] its a 4200 rpm laptop drive :) [07:39] you're only peaking at 20MB/s [07:39] whoah, dude, that's WAAYYY underpowered for an AMD64 [07:39] yup [07:39] no wonder it takes frickin' ages to boot [07:40] a fresh hoary booted in 35-45 sec [07:40] should i run it on a 10k rpm raid0 ? [07:40] (*felt*) [07:40] :P [07:40] I'd suggest building some new readahead lists for the the whole sequence, and putting readahead right at the start [07:40] ahrg! I'm drowning in "cheap software"-spam! [07:41] that way your machine won't spend all of it's time going "ARE WE THERE YET?" to your disk [07:41] then readahead will wait for the disk to spin up... where is the diff ? [07:41] ogra: it will read it all at once [07:41] readahead will do everything at once for the whole sequence [07:41] oh, k [07:41] instead of spinning up and down like crazy [07:41] so you spend 10s reading everything you need into memory [07:41] then the entire boot happens from memory [07:41] rather than every, single, operation, needing, to, wait, for, the, disk [07:42] ah k [07:42] anyone seen an X series tablet in the flesh? [07:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ seems down... [07:43] thierry_: not really. [07:43] tseng : mmm yeah it works now... strange [07:44] It's slow, thanks to slashdot. [07:44] wiki got slashdotted? [07:45] Yes [07:45] LOL [07:45] only over the nice dapper drake "nothing has changed yet" daily's ? :) [07:45] People should get a life. ;) [07:47] Broke one of our cdimage machines too. *grumbles* [07:48] Znarl, wiki has been slow a lot the last few weeks. Is anything going on, or is it outgrowing itself? [07:49] HiddenWolf : I've not heard this complaint before... I'll take a look. === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-40-82-251-163-121.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] Znarl, it's not terrible or anything, but perhaps worth a look. [07:50] Keybuk: when installing bootchart I get "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered. Cannot update.", is that known? === lamont [n=lamont@207.111.195.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] seb128: yeah, some people seem to get that, no idea what it means [07:52] $ update-initramfs -v -u [07:52] /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered. Cannot update. [07:52] I think it means that the initramfs was altered since update-initramfs was last run [07:52] grumpf === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-198-63.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] try just mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 [07:52] or ... [07:52] update-initramfs -t -u [07:53] k, I used -t [07:53] one of those will do it [07:53] time to reboot === mdke__ [n=matt@81-178-211-107.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-73-124.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-73-124.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-40-82-251-163-121.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neuralis_ [n=ike@83-131-73-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [08:24] why do debian update binary packages instead of source as ubuntu? [08:24] s/update/upload/ === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === corey_ is now known as Burglaptop [08:36] janimo: because thats the first barrier which hinders ppl uploading stuff which doesn't build at all === McFergus [n=McFergus@host159-137.pool8255.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] hmm a good reason [08:37] janimo, I believe it is also because for some of the obscure archs, the only person who has it is the uploader [08:38] ergo they cannot upload source and get it built in a debian run buildd [08:38] ah [08:38] Burglaptop: then that arch would only have those package that developers uploads :P [08:39] no, there are autobuilders for every debian release architecture === neuralis_ is now known as neuralis [08:41] ok [08:41] even for things like m68k? [08:42] for m68k, there is an army of autobuilders in order to keep up with unstable === zeedo [n=zeedo@80.68.92.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:00] is anyone else seeing the latest gksudo hang regularly? (in dapper) [09:01] luis_, there is a report int he ubuntuforums about that === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F776.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@88-104-132-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] hmm http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 [09:08] the tango guys have some similar-looking mockups as well [09:10] i wonder why they used kde to make gnome mockups :p [09:12] ogra: they have? === lsuactiafner [n=noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p172.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] that panel setup, at least, screams CDE :) === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-087-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] rpc aint used on 5.10 but older system on the network needs it, so 5.10 aint backwards compatible with older system that require rpc for nfs === ogra_ltsp [n=ogra@p5089F776.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] and gcc doesnt cross compile 32bit code, so its also borked. === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Dantis [n=danten@h139n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-73-124.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsz [n=diego@59.Red-80-36-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _jason [n=jason@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.upenn.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MacFergus [n=McFergus@host218-101.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@207.111.195.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@207.111.195.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] Treenaks, ping === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] elmo: ping === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] yep, guess he's busy :) === spstarr_home [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === luis_ is now known as lu|store === bmonty_laptop [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A638D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === auxesis [n=lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lsuactiafner [n=noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p172.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === kmr [n=kevin@d.b9.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] is there a resource where maintainers discuss which upstream versions dapper will contain? Specifically, I'm concerned about which version of mysql dapper will contain. [11:25] kmr, mailing list is a decent start [11:26] mdke: ubuntu-devel, right? [11:26] kmr, it's not decided yet. [11:26] kmr, yeah [11:27] I figured that it is not decided, I'm just wondering if there was a typically spot. ubuntu-devel seems like an area of last resort [11:27] kmr, i meant mysql. adam will be making the 4.1 vs 5.0 decision sometime before christmas, pending heavy stress testing and community feedback. [11:28] i appreciate for the specific information on mysql. in terms of community feedback (of which I have none to contribute at the moment), where do you imagine that will take place [11:29] ubuntu doesn't use bts, right? So, there wouldn't be some sort of "wishlist" bug like "please consider version x.y.z for dapper" for discussions to take place [11:30] kmr, yes, you can try that [11:30] kmr, see it at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com [11:31] kmr, end user version-wishes are less important in this case; we're after hardcore testing on complicated mysql installations. if those come back greenflagging 5.0, 5.0 it is. otherwise we'll fall back to 4.1. [11:31] mdke: thanks. I heard ubuntu used bugzilla, but never saw the web site [11:31] we are switching bts soon, but that is the place for now [11:31] mdke: very good [11:32] neuralis: that sounds very appropriate [11:33] actually, I'm quite interested in the results of the hardcore testing. I'm deploying a server cluster for mysql, and I have the same question in my mind -- use 4.1 or 5.0. [11:33] 5.0 does have some carrots for utf-8 encoding innodb tables which the application heavily uses [11:34] but, 4.1 has been working great for use thus far on light development duty [11:34] mdke: what will be the new bts system? [11:34] kmr: http://launchpad.net/malone [11:35] thanks, I'm looking at malone now. I need to provide a bts for the new application [11:36] malone is not open source (yet), so you can't deploy it somewhere else, if that's what you mean. [11:37] i see. also, it's strength seems to be tracking remote bts. probably bugzilla will be a better choice for a standalone project [11:38] oh, I have another ubuntu-devel question... [11:39] back when I was the debian maintainer of sbcl, I created a binary sbcl package for amd64 (to bootstrap the generation of future amd64 sbcl packages). I noticed that package is not in ubuntu. [11:40] how would I go about asking the project to take the _amd64.deb debian sbcl binary and putting it in ubuntu? [11:41] kmr: bugzilla is the 800lb. gorilla of bts packages. for smaller projects, look at Trac (integrates with vcs, provides wiki) and Eventum. [11:42] appreciate the tip. yes, I've played with a toy installation of bugzilla. it does seem like overkill for a project with a handful of developers. I'll look at Trac - thanks! [11:43] trac == good [11:43] vote noted, thanks! [11:44] kmr, you could use malone if you like. [11:45] mdke: thanks for the info. Likely, I'll prefer to run a local copy of the bts on the new cluster for the team [11:45] bbiab [11:45] fair enough === netdur [n=adel@adsl196-251-92-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === andersonlizardo [n=anderson@200-231-133-163-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-229-207-193.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] mdke: when is malone source going to be available? [11:50] I'd like to use that for other stuff [11:50] i don't know. but I hope it will not be available in the near future [11:51] 'not'? :-( [11:51] the whole point is to have everything in the same place [11:51] I'd like that to become the defactor big system replacing bugzillas everywhere [11:51] but I'm not involved in development, so I'm not the best guide for you [11:51] defacto [11:51] spstarr_home, me too [11:52] s/big/bug [11:52] :) [11:53] mdke: i see your point. however, using open-source software everywhere, I want our bts data be be processed back a package where we have the ability to examine and modify the source [11:53] s/back/by/ [11:54] kmr, fair enough [11:54] mdke: as is your goal as well [11:54] yeap [11:55] zyga_laptop: 'sp? [11:55] jbailey: typo in the profiling package [11:55] 'was been' [11:55] jbailey: just grep for it [11:56] profiling package? [11:56] Like gprof? [11:56] jbailey: nono [11:56] jbailey: bootchart [11:56] jbailey: anyway, someone said it was in your code [11:56] jbailey: bootchart was unable to regenerate initramfs [11:57] and displayed 'was been' [11:58] bootchart is thoroughly not my code. [11:58] =) [11:59] jbailey: I know :) [11:59] zyga_laptop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7 was been altered. Cannot update. [11:59] * Keybuk points at jbailey ... initramfs is his