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| Kyral | Can someone help me explain why UbuntuGuide isn't good? | 01:02 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: what, the unoffical one? | 01:02 |
| Kyral | Yah | 01:02 |
| Kyral | A flamewar erupted in the Forums channel when I ask people to stop recommending the Guide | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | I think that it isn't being maintained and it has what is considered to be bad advice | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | I once recommended it on #ubuntu and got torn to bits ;-) | 01:03 |
| Kyral | I'm getting targetted | 01:04 |
| manicka | by who? | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | for recommending it? | 01:05 |
| rob1 | yes its crap | 01:05 |
| Kyral | for speaking out against it | 01:05 |
| rob1 | its not up to date for breezy either | 01:05 |
| rob1 | besides that, it breaks a lot of peoples pcs as it sometimes gives bad advice | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | I always found it easy to navigate but I never used it much | 01:06 |
| Kyral | Then can I get backup? | 01:06 |
| Kyral | #ubuntuforums | 01:06 |
| rob1 | and its not open, one guy controls it and he can do whatever he wants, whereas the official guide is open for all to contribute | 01:06 |
| manicka | it still states that it's a 5.04 guide | 01:07 |
| mdke | rob1, that is not quite accurate | 01:07 |
| mdke | the guide is being maintained I believe, by a group of people | 01:07 |
| rob1 | mdke, still, its closed | 01:08 |
| mdke | i would recommend against speaking out against it | 01:08 |
| rob1 | I can't contribute in an easy way if I wanted to | 01:08 |
| mdke | rob1, that doesn't matter | 01:08 |
| mdke | what matters is that speaking out against it will foster differences between the two communities | 01:08 |
| rob1 | I'm not, I'm just pointing out why our guide is better | 01:08 |
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| manicka | I stopped pointing people towards the guide some time ago | 01:09 |
| manicka | help.ubuntu.com is much better | 01:10 |
| rob1 | someone asked is all | 01:10 |
| === mdke is installing linux on his ipod | ||
| rob1 | oh? | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | wow, that is getting nasty in #ubuntuforums | 01:15 |
| mdke | what is getting nasty? | 01:15 |
| Kyral | I brought up the Wiki/UbuntuGuide issue | 01:15 |
| rob1 | it sounds like a bunch of 12 year olds in there | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well maybe I haven't seen enough irc fights | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | seemed pretty heated to me | 01:16 |
| mdke | what is the problem? | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | I guess Kyral suggested that they not recommend the Unoffical Ubuntu Guide | 01:17 |
| mdke | the wiki seems to have been dragged into the debate | 01:17 |
| mdke | and I've spent several hours recently trying to calm that down | 01:17 |
| rob1 | yeah your bound to stir up stuff with that comment | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | well on #ubuntu they don't recomend it I don't think | 01:18 |
| rob1 | no | 01:19 |
| rob1 | they don't | 01:19 |
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| mdke | rob1, applied, thanks | 02:44 |
| mdke | rob1, ah crap, did you change the css location? | 02:45 |
| rob1 | no | 02:47 |
| rob1 | ? | 02:47 |
| mdke | <link rel="stylesheet" href="faqguide-all_files/faqguide.css" type="text/css"> | 02:47 |
| mdke | no idea wtf that came from | 02:47 |
| rob1 | oh, that might of happen when I downloaded a copy, blame firefox | 02:48 |
| mdke | oh probably | 02:48 |
| mdke | i'll fix now | 02:48 |
| rob1 | thanks | 02:49 |
| rob1 | do you know of a good linux distro for little kids? | 02:49 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:49 |
| mdke | ubuntu | 02:49 |
| rob1 | heh | 02:49 |
| rob1 | I'm talking a three year old | 02:49 |
| mdke | ok css working | 02:49 |
| mdke | three year olds are too young for computers | 02:49 |
| mdke | (IMO) | 02:50 |
| rob1 | nah | 02:50 |
| rob1 | he loves playing quake and stuff | 02:50 |
| rob1 | I just got him his own puter' | 02:50 |
| rob1 | brb | 02:51 |
| mdke | damn | 02:51 |
| mdke | failure to get linux on ipod | 02:51 |
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| Madpilot | a 3 year old playing Quake? gah... | 02:55 |
| mdke | scary shit | 02:56 |
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| rob1 | heh | 03:26 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 03:26 |
| mdke | hello | 03:29 |
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| rob1 | ubuntu has icewm doesn't it? | 03:30 |
| mdke | sure | 03:30 |
| LaserJock | so why does doc.ubuntu.com exist? Is it anything more than the DocumentationTeam wiki? | 03:30 |
| rob1 | LaserJock, yes | 03:30 |
| mdke | LaserJock, it is not a wiki at all | 03:30 |
| mdke | it is just a website | 03:30 |
| mdke | our homepage | 03:31 |
| mdke | it hosts our work in progress documentation | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | ah, because that would be hard to do on the wiki, but is easy in html? | 03:31 |
| rob1 | ? | 03:32 |
| mdke | eh? | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | work in progress | 03:32 |
| rob1 | theres a set of scripts that make html versions of our xml docs | 03:32 |
| mdke | LaserJock, we work in docbook xml. the previews are generated into html | 03:32 |
| rob1 | and put them there | 03:32 |
| Burgundavia | salut Madpilot | 03:32 |
| mdke | hi corey | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | ok, I am just trying to figure out the difference, I think I see it now | 03:33 |
| mdke | gah | 03:33 |
| mdke | i know I'm up late if I get my cron mail | 03:33 |
| rob1 | heh | 03:33 |
| mdke | LaserJock, basically doc.ubuntu.com is our website, and help.ubuntu.com is where documentation is hosted. That is the current situation anyhow | 03:33 |
| rob1 | I'm doing a server install on an old box, then install icewm | 03:33 |
| mdke | sounds good | 03:34 |
| rob1 | hopefully it should go smoothly | 03:34 |
| mdke | i did a server plus xubuntu-desktop on here the other day | 03:35 |
| mdke | i prefer gnome though | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | openbox is also quite nice | 03:35 |
| rob1 | does it have a decent gui? | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | what do you mean by gui? | 03:37 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: how did that laptop install go? | 03:37 |
| rob1 | well a three year old will be using it, so he needs to click on stuff | 03:37 |
| Madpilot | rob1: you're not going to make him learn the command line first? | 03:38 |
| Madpilot | :P | 03:38 |
| rob1 | heh | 03:38 |
| mdke | haha | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | rob1: you could do it but it might be some work | 03:38 |
| rob1 | he needs to learn to spell first :) | 03:38 |
| mdke | he needs his quake hit | 03:38 |
| rob1 | yes | 03:38 |
| mdke | so get the gui up fast | 03:38 |
| rob1 | he knows the asdw keys | 03:38 |
| mdke | lol | 03:38 |
| mdke | that's just so wrong | 03:39 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, after I fought with windows for a while, I decided to come back with a livecd and use that. I am going tomorrow | 03:39 |
| Madpilot | rob1: so he could function just fine on some IRC channels, I guess | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | openbox is pretty minimal, last time I used it was with gentoo so I don't know about how it might work in Ubuntu | 03:39 |
| rob1 | heh, #ubuntuforums for one | 03:39 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: I thought you were going with Vector Linux on that laptop? | 03:39 |
| rob1 | (sorry mdke) | 03:39 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot, I was, but there was some data that needs to be pulled off first | 03:40 |
| rob1 | vector is too bright, reminds me of xp | 03:40 |
| rob1 | and I hate slackware packaging.. | 03:40 |
| rob1 | heh | 03:40 |
| Burgundavia | well MenusRevised is getting lots of comments | 03:41 |
| mdke | good stuff | 03:42 |
| mdke | Kinnison Senior was quite right about removing xsane, that blows | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: do you mean MenusRevisited ? | 03:43 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited/Comments | 03:45 |
| rob1 | hmm I dont know about hiding totem | 03:45 |
| mdke | hiding totem? geez | 03:45 |
| mdke | who are these fascists | 03:45 |
| rob1 | ms don't hide mediaplayer | 03:45 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: ok thanks, I wasn't sure | 03:45 |
| mdke | blimey | 03:46 |
| mdke | i don't like that spec much actually, now I read it | 03:47 |
| mdke | purging system tools >_< | 03:47 |
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| mdke | applications seem to be getting put into the administration menu which are not administrative | 03:47 |
| rob1 | yep | 03:48 |
| Madpilot | TobiasWolf has a good point: "For new inexperienced users functional completeness of the system is mirrored in the application menus." | 03:48 |
| rob1 | whist the menus could do with a little bit of cleaning up, I don't think we need to go as nuts as that | 03:49 |
| mdke | agreed | 03:49 |
| mdke | in fact it will be harmful | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | by hide it means that we can open the menu editor and get them back, right ? | 03:50 |
| rob1 | LaserJock, yeah but how stupid is that | 03:50 |
| rob1 | ? | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | rob1: well, I can kinda see having a clean default | 03:50 |
| rob1 | just kill the unused things like bittorrent etc | 03:50 |
| rob1 | Linux is all about choice, by killing half of the menu we are removing a lot of that choice | 03:51 |
| Madpilot | moving some of this stuff off the menus basically means having to launch it thru Nautilus - like torrents, if you want to re-launch a .torrent you've already got on your system... | 03:51 |
| rob1 | hmm openbox+rox looks nice | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | rob1: I agree, I think you can reorginize or make the menus clearer without removing half the apps | 03:52 |
| mdke | Madpilot, you need both options in my opinion, I open lots of programs from the menus, and frequently from nautilus too | 03:53 |
| rob1 | hmm looks like my horay cd crapped out during install | 03:53 |
| Madpilot | mdke: yeah, that's what I was getting at | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | rob1: on gentoo I used openbox + gnome-panel a lot but that would probably be overkill for you. | 03:53 |
| mdke | Madpilot, looks like lots of people think that way too | 03:53 |
| rob1 | yeah the PC is an amd 500mhz with 130mb ram | 03:54 |
| Madpilot | I do think that the Accessories/System Tools/Preferences/Administration stuff needs to be cleaned up - | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I hardly every you nautilus. I might have to look at it more | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | s/you/use | 03:54 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock: you don't use the file manager? | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: no, CLI | 03:54 |
| mdke | -> bed | 03:54 |
| rob1 | Madpilot, use the cli most of the time too | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: I haven't gotten the hang of a filemanager | 03:54 |
| rob1 | night mdke | 03:54 |
| rob1 | its just easier | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | good night mdke | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | The only time I use nautilus is when I need to transfer somthing to my usb stick. | 03:55 |
| Madpilot | the only time I use the CLI for file management is when I have to use sudo - typing "sudo mv <whatever>" is easier than relaunching Naut w/ visudo nautilus | 03:55 |
| rob1 | nah, copying stuff for instance is much eaiser using cli | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm, amazing how diverse users are. That is why taking out a lot the menu might be a bad idea | 03:56 |
| rob1 | try using ratpoison for a while, the mouse is useless :) | 03:56 |
| mdke | i use the file manager for copying files over ssh | 03:56 |
| mdke | i find it a lot easier | 03:57 |
| Madpilot | rob1: I'd last about two hours w/o a mouse, I think :) | 03:57 |
| rob1 | I still use cli ssh | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | rob1: me too | 03:57 |
| mdke | rob1, you gotta try nautilus, it is pretty good | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | I ssh to my Ubuntu box from Windows a lot so everything is CLI | 03:57 |
| mdke | there are gui windows scp clients | 03:58 |
| rob1 | mdke, I did once and gave up in frustration | 03:58 |
| rob1 | if gnome had something like kioslaves I'd probably use gui tools more | 03:58 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yeah, but it is faster for me to CLI cause I am doing other stuff at the same time | 03:59 |
| rob1 | bbl | 04:00 |
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| rob1 | oooh a beta of the debian installer is out | 08:30 |
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| pawan | hi | 11:20 |
| pawan | how do i extract file names for translated po files so that mo files | 11:21 |
| rob1 | blah mdke is sleeping.. | 11:47 |
| rob1 | don't you hate when you have what seems like a good idea and no one around to tell it to :P | 11:47 |
| pawan | why should i ... | 11:55 |
| mdke | just got up | 12:13 |
| mdke | rob1, that is a rocking idea | 12:14 |
| mdke | pawan, i don't understand your question. also, it seems a bit off-topic for #ubuntu-doc | 12:14 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 04:36 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, hai! | 04:39 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, i've been looking for you | 04:39 |
| highvoltage | hi everyone. | 04:40 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, have you read your email? | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: yeah | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: RMS wow | 04:40 |
| Belutz | yup RMS | 04:40 |
| Belutz | thank God it's not RPM :p | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | how many times did RMS already go there? | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | the guy just loves indonesia i notice | 04:41 |
| Belutz | three times i guess | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: dec. 1-2 i will be in seoul | 04:41 |
| Belutz | ic :-( | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | if i can arrage it i can fly the next day | 04:42 |
| === jsgotangco wonders how long is the flight from seoul to jakarta | ||
| Belutz | ok, i already send an email to the event commitee, asking if they could add a slot to the event for ubuntu presentation | 04:42 |
| Belutz | if they could provide it, i'll let you know asap | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | if you can confirm it, i will tell jane about it as well | 04:43 |
| Belutz | ok | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | since i'm already confirmed in seoul, it'll be hairy | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 04:43 |
| Belutz | *hooraayy i'm going to meet jsgotangco ^_^ * | 04:43 |
| === jsgotangco looks at calendar | ||
| jsgotangco | saturday eh? | 04:44 |
| Belutz | friday | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | 3 is a saturday | 04:44 |
| Belutz | oops | 04:44 |
| Belutz | yes saturday | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | what time would it be? | 04:44 |
| Belutz | i was looking at nov 2006 :-( | 04:44 |
| Belutz | 8.30 - 16.30 indonesian time (GMT +7) | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | yikes | 04:45 |
| Belutz | yikes? :p | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | well i couild probably leave seoul on the night of the 2nd | 04:46 |
| Belutz | if they could provide a slot, i will ask them to be at almost the end of the seminar | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: i can't promise though...i still have to talk to the travel agent... | 04:46 |
| mdke | hey jerome | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 04:47 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, yes i know, and i can't promise that they could provide a slot also | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | jdub's bbt is tiring, but going to speak in seoul then to jakarta a day after the other can be killer | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: although the site you mentioned had ubuntu | 04:48 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, yup | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: how's saturday? | 04:48 |
| Belutz | one of the seminar topic is demonstration of linux distro based on debian | 04:49 |
| Belutz | but i think they will demonstrate knoppix | 04:49 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, saturday is ok. I've been trying (and failing) to get ipodlinux on my ipod | 04:49 |
| Belutz | because knoppix is quiet popular in here | 04:49 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: how is the state of l10n there? | 04:50 |
| Belutz | l10n for ubuntu? | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | debian in general | 04:50 |
| Belutz | for gnome it's already 93% | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 04:50 |
| Belutz | i don't know about debian :( | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | sometimes its better to do core stuff for l10n on debian upstream because it automatically goes to every derivative | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | even ubuntu | 04:51 |
| Belutz | i see | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: let's just wait and see what pans out, if you can confirm, we'll worry then :) | 04:52 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, ok :-) | 04:52 |
| === jsgotangco has SW Insight Conference 2005 to worry about first :) | ||
| Belutz | :-) | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: i checked the website, i did understand my words though, it seems only RMS is keynote? | 04:53 |
| Belutz | the other is hmm what do you called it in english... hmm the head of magazine? | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | editor in chief? | 04:54 |
| === jsgotangco checks email again | ||
| Belutz | yup editor in chief of Info Linux magazine | 04:56 |
| Belutz | and also a lecturer from Indonesia University | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: i could have asked mako, but remember he also has conflicts and can't go to seoul too... | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | we were supposed to go together in seoul... | 04:56 |
| Belutz | i see | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | originally it should have been jdub going to seoul but he's already booked in OSDC | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | asia needs a lot of loving | 04:57 |
| Belutz | true :-) | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | who is Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim | 05:00 |
| Belutz | he is a lecturer from Indonesia Univertisity | 05:00 |
| Belutz | i think RMS is not coming, it will be just a teleconference | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | oohhhh | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 05:02 |
| === jsgotangco found a diamond in the rough in Belutz 's blog | ||
| Belutz | what diamond? | 05:02 |
| Belutz | can i sell it? lol :-) | 05:03 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 05:03 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: who's Tina | 05:03 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 05:03 |
| Belutz | ah | 05:03 |
| Belutz | Tina, i knew her from blogwalking | 05:03 |
| === jsgotangco obviously is bored | ||
| Belutz | she's an Indonesian who lives in germany for now | 05:03 |
| jsgotangco | hmm she's in germany | 05:03 |
| Belutz | with her family | 05:04 |
| highvoltage | :) | 05:04 |
| Belutz | in ulm | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | she's pretty | 05:05 |
| Belutz | she is :-) | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | we get a lot of tv ads here mostly shampoo ads from indonesia, but translated to english | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | its either from indonesia or thailand | 05:06 |
| Belutz | can a non english blog goes into planet.u.c? :p | 05:06 |
| mdke | no | 05:06 |
| mdke | but you can post english posts | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | why not? | 05:06 |
| mdke | and tag them | 05:06 |
| Belutz | there are some shampoo ads in here is also translated in Indonesia, from thailand maybe | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | ok so the ladies in thailand are prettier lol | 05:07 |
| Belutz | not really *grin* | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: do you know the organizers of the event? | 05:09 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, no i'm not :-( | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | i doubt it if you can convince them for a slot | 05:09 |
| Belutz | well, it's worth to try | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 05:10 |
| Belutz | :-) | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | ok so "Tina" mentioned Ubuntu that's a good sign | 05:11 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: how far is thailand from where you are? (sorry, my geography sux) | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: probably around 4 hours by plance | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | s/plance/plane | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | hong kong is just 2 hours by plane | 05:12 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, i think her husband is using SUSE in her house, and she and her husband also mentioned that they download ubuntu | 05:12 |
| highvoltage | ok, that's still quite far. | 05:12 |
| highvoltage | janew said the next ubz/ubz-like meeting might be in thailand. | 05:13 |
| highvoltage | i'm definately saving up for that one. | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: WHOAAAAAA | 05:13 |
| Belutz | in thailand? | 05:13 |
| Belutz | hmmm | 05:13 |
| Belutz | can a non-developer come? :p | 05:14 |
| === jsgotangco should not miss the 6.10 planning | ||
| highvoltage | Belutz: i think so. | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: sure | 05:14 |
| highvoltage | Belutz: but you're a member, so you must be doing something already! | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 05:14 |
| Belutz | hmmm | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | shout to the world you're a contributor | 05:14 |
| Belutz | just translations is not enough then... | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: that's what you think | 05:15 |
| mdke | anyone can go to the developer conference afaik | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 05:15 |
| Belutz | i hope i had some money to go there by then | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | the devel conference isn't mostly about hacking stuff | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | half of the time, community stuff are planned as well | 05:16 |
| Belutz | i see | 05:16 |
| Belutz | hmm my friend already received his 5.10 cd's from shipit | 05:17 |
| jsgotangco | but anyone is welcome to contribute to a spec/BoF | 05:17 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: marlize handles cd shipments? | 05:17 |
| highvoltage | mdke: do you think you'll be coming too if it's in thailand? | 05:17 |
| mdke | highvoltage, no, very unlikely | 05:17 |
| === jsgotangco can definitely go to thailand | ||
| mdke | i won't get the time off work | 05:17 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: i know she handles it in .za, but i think she's taken on more responsibility recently, not sure. | 05:18 |
| highvoltage | mdke: what kind of work are you doing now? lawyer work? | 05:18 |
| mdke | yeah | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | did you handle murder cases already? | 05:18 |
| mdke | heh | 05:18 |
| mdke | i don't do that sort of law | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | its its mostly corproate law, i'm not buying | 05:18 |
| mdke | heh | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | does uk have tort law too? | 05:19 |
| mdke | i'm with a group that does commercial law | 05:19 |
| mdke | yes :) | 05:19 |
| highvoltage | that's very strange. mdke is a lawyer, and yet i don't hate him. | 05:19 |
| mdke | tort law is english in origin | 05:19 |
| mdke | highvoltage, :)( | 05:19 |
| mdke | whoops | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: so tort law is worse there? | 05:19 |
| mdke | :) | 05:19 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, worse? | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | i mean compared to tort cases in the us | 05:19 |
| mdke | it's difficult to describe a whole category of law as better or worse | 05:20 |
| mdke | the system is fairly good | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | like say you sue McD for giving you high levels of cholesterol | 05:20 |
| mdke | oh i see | 05:20 |
| mdke | there is less of a litigation culture in the UK than in the US, thank god | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | or that you got allergies after eating frog pie | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 05:20 |
| mdke | people still sue each other too much, but it's not as bad | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | you should handle immigration cases, it'll make you rich for sure | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 05:21 |
| mdke | don't worry, commercial law is quite lucrative | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | is there something like antitrust law in the uk? | 05:22 |
| mdke | yes | 05:22 |
| mdke | we call it "competition law" | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 05:22 |
| mdke | it's mainly european based | 05:22 |
| === jsgotangco is interested in how EU countries get to make their own laws at the same time have a big EU law | ||
| mdke | yeah that is quite an interesting subject | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | its just like the | 05:23 |
| mdke | the EU only legislates in certain specific areas | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | hey i finally got to use in a useful way | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | anway's what's for? | 05:24 |
| mdke | i don't see that symbol in irssi | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | interesting | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | i dunno if we have the same keymap but its with ` and | beside the space bar | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | | can only be used with alt gr | 05:26 |
| mdke | guess not ;) | 05:26 |
| mdke | ? | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 05:26 |
| mdke | no idea | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | what's that | 05:26 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/id | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | the weird looking line | 05:26 |
| mdke | highvoltage, so you've had some bad experiences with lawyers eh? | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: how come uk keyboards have it? heh | 05:27 |
| mdke | i dunno what it is | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: that's a lot of green stuff which is good... | 05:27 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, yes i think so, Mohammad DAMT is really good at it | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: the only major component we got to translate at the moment to Tagalog is Debian-Installer | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: id's efforts are better compraed to tl | 05:28 |
| Belutz | really? | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: its because majority of our population grew up learning english in schools so there's very little need for them to use a localized system | 05:30 |
| Belutz | so in here | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: basically our language didn't evolve compared to the other languages | 05:30 |
| highvoltage | mdke: nah, perhaps i just watched the practice too much :P | 05:30 |
| Belutz | the computer stuffs, if translated to indonesian seems weird | 05:30 |
| mdke | highvoltage, what is that? | 05:31 |
| highvoltage | mdke: a TV series about lawyers. i just assumed that you have probably seen it. | 05:31 |
| Belutz | i like old tv series, LA Law :p | 05:31 |
| mdke | nope i haven't seen many american ones | 05:31 |
| mdke | is it american? | 05:32 |
| Belutz | the practice is american | 05:32 |
| highvoltage | yes, it's american. | 05:32 |
| Belutz | it has sharon stone :p | 05:32 |
| mdke | mmm football is on tv | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | soccer | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 05:32 |
| mdke | england against argentina | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: have you got to watch NFL | 05:33 |
| mdke | no, i wish | 05:33 |
| mdke | i like american football too | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | what i don't understand is rugby and australian football | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | add cricket as well | 05:34 |
| === mdke gasps | ||
| mdke | cricket is the greatest sport in the world ever | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: if you can explain cricket to me in a simple manner, i'd be willing to play that cricket game for my ps2 that got stuck for years | 05:35 |
| mdke | it's kinda like baseball | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | all i know is that one or two guys are aiming at sticks | 05:35 |
| mdke | one team "bats" | 05:35 |
| mdke | two of the players bat at a time | 05:35 |
| mdke | (instead of one in baseball) | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | i notice the batters face each other | 05:36 |
| jsgotangco | which i find it rather odd | 05:36 |
| mdke | basically one person bats, and the other watches | 05:36 |
| mdke | then if they score a point, by running up and down the pitch, they swap ends | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | why? | 05:37 |
| Belutz | http://kuduisolinux.blogspot.com/ <--- kubuntu blog by an Indonesian blogger | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | wait a minute | 05:37 |
| Belutz | in english :-) | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | if the guy who bats hit it | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | they swap bsae? | 05:37 |
| mdke | if they have enough time before the other team returns the ball, yeah | 05:37 |
| mdke | highvoltage, help me out here... | 05:37 |
| highvoltage | i understand rugby, but not the american stuff :) | 05:37 |
| mdke | this is cricket | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: strange if you ask me | 05:38 |
| highvoltage | ah, cricket | 05:38 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: cricket is totally different than baseball. cricket is a gentleman's game :) | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | what's the "cricket" side then? just swapping bases even if its just in front of eaach other | 05:38 |
| mdke | heh | 05:39 |
| === jsgotangco now understands why cricket players are well dressed | ||
| highvoltage | they make runs. | 05:39 |
| highvoltage | it's not really just swapping :) | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | how long is the pitch? | 05:39 |
| mdke | 22 yards | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | that's not too far | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | then why do they have sticks stuck on the ground? | 05:40 |
| mdke | those are like the targets for the other team, the batting team has to protect them | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | and they don't look like bats to me hehee more like paddles | 05:40 |
| mdke | in baseball terms, that is like the plate | 05:40 |
| mdke | and if the balls hits those sticks (stumps) then he is out | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | you only get 1 chance? | 05:41 |
| mdke | yep | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: there's no cricket in indonesia right? | 05:41 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, nope | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: good | 05:42 |
| Belutz | hahaha | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: i still find it rather boring as a sport | 05:42 |
| mdke | heh | 05:42 |
| mdke | you need to get to know it better | 05:42 |
| mdke | my girlfriend hates it with a passion tho | 05:43 |
| jsgotangco | compared to say hoops or american football | 05:43 |
| jsgotangco | because your girlfriend is italian and prefers footsie? | 05:43 |
| Belutz | am i the one who still single in here? | 05:44 |
| mdke | she's not big on sport, but I think she hates cricket on principle because I like it :) | 05:44 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: define "single"...not married or no partner | 05:45 |
| Belutz | not married and no partner | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: then stop hanging out in irc then heh | 05:46 |
| Belutz | hahaha | 05:46 |
| Belutz | is there any geek girls in here? *look around the channel* | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: geek girls are no different from non-geek girls when it comes to romance/love | 05:47 |
| mdke | no? | 05:47 |
| Belutz | i see, but geek girls if they are mad at me, they will go to her computer, non-geek girls will run to other man :p | 05:48 |
| === mdke has never met one | ||
| mdke | Belutz, good thinking | 05:48 |
| highvoltage | Belutz: so when your geek girl runs to her computer, you can make up again over irc? | 05:48 |
| Belutz | then we could solve the problem with doing a Counter Strike battle.... lol | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | doh | 05:49 |
| Belutz | highvoltage, no, it was just an excuse :p | 05:49 |
| highvoltage | :) | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | i know a lot of local geek girls that are really pretty but they're really non-geek outside work | 05:50 |
| jsgotangco | last friday we went to a ktv bar | 05:50 |
| mdke | lol | 05:50 |
| mdke | i love the idea of making up over irc | 05:50 |
| jsgotangco | 3 of them were geek girls and just singing their hearts out with celine dion songs | 05:50 |
| Belutz | at least i want to meet indonesian girl who understand linux :p | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | which wasn't a pretty sight | 05:51 |
| Belutz | so if we get married, i don't have to install windows | 05:51 |
| Belutz | lol | 05:52 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: in .za, ktv is a childrens station, with heavy ktv branding on all their stuff. they do things like release "ktv britney spears" cd's. a "ktv" bar sounds like a kiddies bar :) | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | what do they call it then for older folks? | 05:53 |
| highvoltage | just bars, i guess. | 05:53 |
| jsgotangco | heh the ktv bars here, are really nice | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | the bigger rooms even have mirror balls | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | wow xbox 360 is coming out in 2 weeks | 05:57 |
| highvoltage | big deal. | 06:05 |
| highvoltage | :P | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: i work for a game company its a big deal | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | (for me) | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:08 |
| mdke | how is the new job jsgotangco ? | 06:08 |
| highvoltage | aaaah | 06:08 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: pretty good, got to meet some monster java devels at work | 06:08 |
| mdke | jolly good | 06:08 |
| mdke | nice people? | 06:08 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: at the moment, the system is still adjusting to me | 06:08 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:08 |
| mdke | fair enough | 06:09 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | but i feel so old | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:10 |
| mdke | nah | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | its like more than half of them didn't experience using a 5" floppy | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | and even have no idea of os/2 | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:11 |
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| jsgotangco | night | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | nighto jsgotangco | 06:49 |
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| mdke__ | mamma mia | 07:58 |
| Madpilot | ? | 08:02 |
| mdke | network issues | 08:02 |
| Madpilot | ah | 08:02 |
| corey_ | well, dapper has hit slashdot | 08:23 |
| corey_ | Ubuntu... How to make Novell and RedHat _crap_ their pants in four easy releases... | 08:24 |
| corey_ | The biggest problem for Ubuntu is... | 08:24 |
| corey_ | They are squandering all these excellent release names too quickly. | 08:24 |
| corey_ | Look at the years of wear that Microsoft got from Chicago, Cairo, Longhorn and now, Vista! That, my friends, is real marketing. | 08:24 |
| corey_ | Slow down, you crazy Ubuntu cowboys! | 08:24 |
| highvoltage | yeeha! | 08:25 |
| corey_ | random slashdot comments are pretty funny | 08:25 |
| corey_ | I can | 08:27 |
| corey_ | t wait until all those /.ers see our new installer | 08:27 |
| corey_ | how to kill all of their "Ubuntu installer is ugly" in one fell swoop | 08:27 |
| Kyral | New installer say what? | 08:27 |
| Kyral | granted I think NCurses is sexy :P | 08:27 |
| corey_ | Kyral, Ubuntu-express, the live cd based installer | 08:27 |
| Kyral | Very nice this will make world domination easy | 08:28 |
| Kyral | err | 08:28 |
| Kyral | Wow I'm in an odd mood | 08:28 |
| corey_ | we are already on the path to world domination | 08:29 |
| Kyral | lol | 08:29 |
| corey_ | this will just make is more smooth when we ask them to bend over | 08:29 |
| Kyral | lol | 08:29 |
| Kyral | But yah, one CD for everything will make things easy | 08:29 |
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| Kyral | Remind me to disable compositing before running Cedega | 08:33 |
| Burglaptop | ah | 08:34 |
| Kyral | I forgot that Compositing eats OpenGL | 08:35 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: are you channelling Bill Gates this morning or something? "this will just make is more smooth when we ask them to bend over" indeed... | 08:37 |
| Burglaptop | hey | 08:37 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia: hey to you too. I took the day off again - damned cold is nearly gone, but not quite | 08:38 |
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| rob1 | mdke, ping | 11:38 |
| mdke | pong | 11:38 |
| rob1 | hi | 11:38 |
| mdke | lo | 11:38 |
| rob1 | got my email I take it | 11:38 |
| mdke | the one about feedback? | 11:38 |
| mdke | i replied... | 11:39 |
| rob1 | yeah | 11:39 |
| rob1 | what do you mean by wiki page? an annoucement? | 11:39 |
| mdke | just ideas about how we'd go about it | 11:39 |
| rob1 | ah | 11:39 |
| mdke | i've been talking to henrik a bit about this sort of thing | 11:39 |
| mdke | he's got some ideas too | 11:39 |
| rob1 | what did he say? | 11:40 |
| rob1 | nice | 11:40 |
| mdke | well we are talking about hosting for the docs and the wiki | 11:40 |
| mdke | in the context of the better wiki docs thing | 11:40 |
| === rob1 tries to think of a good wiki name | ||
| mdke | but he was talking a lot about feedback on our WIP and stable docs | 11:40 |
| rob1 | the problem with stable docs is that we can't change them | 11:41 |
| mdke | i thought a nice idea would be to have a link at the top of each page which allows users to post to the ML via a web comment system | 11:41 |
| mdke | yeah but that doesn't stop users giving feedback | 11:41 |
| rob1 | like our own bugzilla setup? | 11:41 |
| mdke | not really no | 11:42 |
| mdke | just perhaps a link in the header bar of every page/wiki theme which points at a page which gives the possibility for users to mail us, or to malone, or other ways of giving feedback | 11:43 |
| rob1 | well I would like to get the community more involved in the review stage too | 11:43 |
| mdke | me too | 11:43 |
| rob1 | all of the bugs in the faq guide would have been picked up before released if we did for breezy | 11:43 |
| mdke | what I suggested would apply equally to the preview documents | 11:43 |
| mdke | rob1, hopefully that will happen a lot if we get the doc into dapper quick | 11:44 |
| rob1 | well none are ready yet, but yes the sooner the better | 11:44 |
| mdke | sure, not now, but soon | 11:44 |
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