flixoranybody experience with kgpg 12:03
resolvesampan is there any kde release with xfce12:05
resolvei mean ubuntu release*12:06
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sampanyeah, you should be able to just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ... or if that doesn't work, then use adept to get xfce packages 12:07
sampaniirc i had to get the packages with adept/synaptic -- but maybe xubuntu-desktop works now -- not sure12:07
resolvei switch to kde because i hated the gnome apps... but im not really feeling better about kde looks :S lol12:08
resolvewhat a mess12:08
sampan:/  well kde can be customized to look a lot of different ways -- you could try surfing at kde-look.org to find stuff that appeals to you12:09
resolveyeah i think i would12:10
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resolvebut imn trying to figure out how to have xfce12:12
sampanuse adept, search for "xfce" and select the major packages12:12
LeeJunFanRiddell: you around?12:13
resolvecant find any xfce package12:13
crimsuninstall xubuntu-desktop12:13
sampanresolve  have you edited your sources.list file?12:13
crimsunmake sure you have the universe repository enabled12:14
resolvenope i just inmstall kubuntu 15min ago12:14
sampancrimsun, does that work now?  when i tried that (first week of breezy release), i just got errors with xubuntu-desktop12:14
resolveho right univers and multiverse12:14
crimsunsampan: it should, yes12:15
sampancool 12:15
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PJeremywhat are the system requirements of xfce?12:15
crimsunthey're fairly slim. 32 MB RAM.12:16
sampannot sure -- but lower than for gnome/kde for sure ;)  it's not an ultra-minimalist desktop, but it's pretty light12:16
LeeJunFandamn xdmcp in kdm doesn't work :(12:16
Blissexcrimsun: thats rather optimistic...12:16
resolvegod im lost in that kde thing how may i install universe and multiverse12:16
crimsunBlissex: sure12:16
ubotuA list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic12:17
crimsunwe're not talking of w3m or ion here ;-)12:17
sampanresolve, you need to uncomment out the universe/multiverse lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file12:18
resolve:) sweet thx guys12:21
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mornfallcrimsun: x server alone ate 315M of RAM in a week and few days12:22
mornfalli guess the bitch is leaking...12:23
crimsunnot just the pixmap cache?12:24
sampanif i don't have any bluetooth devices, is it alright to disable bluez-utils at bootup for run level 5?  the kbluetooth daemon is filling up my xsession.errors file with megabytes of error messages12:24
mornfallcrimsun: why would it keep it that big?12:24
crimsunmornfall: some silly app(s)?12:24
sampani kill the process, but after a day or so it mysteriously restarts12:25
mornfallcrimsun: well, konqueror comes to mind...12:25
mornfallcrimsun: wee, down to 280M12:26
mornfallcrimsun: out of which some 32 (or is that 16) is vram12:26
mornfalland about 30 swapped out12:26
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mornfallthere are some kghostview instances running, and that's all12:28
mornfallhmm, amarok12:28
resolveok im in the konsole, running a source.list windows .. how may i uncomment universe line12:28
sampanresolve, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list  ... then delete the # characters that begin the lines for universe/multiverse 12:29
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sampanif you want to be safe, first do: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_original  :)12:30
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thirstehHas anyone else experienced losing all colouring in Konsole when installing a fresh Kubuntu (Breezer) ?12:41
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ThirstehI realize the topic mentions font fixes for Konsole, but I upgraded and nothing fixed (my) problem12:42
tomatry the breezy-updates12:43
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ThirstehSorry, I'm lost..12:43
tomaThirsteh: add this to sources deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted12:43
ThirstehBut, wouldn't I already have that?12:44
tomahow should i know?12:44
ThirstehI just said a fresh Breezy install12:44
tomathat can be done in 10 ways....12:45
ThirstehOkay, I'll cut it out in concrete for ya: I installed Kubuntu with the default installer, and the preset repositories are still there, and yes, breezy-updates are a part of it12:46
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ubotuI guess repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource12:49
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tomaThirsteh: what is the problem?12:52
Thirstehtoma, konsole doesn't show any color, like, executables ain't green, folders ain't navy blue, normal files aint white.... etc etc12:54
tomatry ls --color12:54
Thirstehoh, so it's a change in ls?12:54
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Thirstehwhere do I set aliases then, like la = ls -la  ?12:59
Thirstehand ls = ls --color...12:59
firephotoThirsteh: I set mine in ~/.bash_profile12:59
Thirstehok thanks01:00
ThirstehI don't have a bash_profile ...01:00
Thirstehsomething weird about this install, lol01:00
firephotoyou could make one and start a new session and see if it works.01:00
Thirstehwhat's the syntax?01:00
Thirstehjust: alias ls = ls --color        01:00
Thirstehwould work?01:01
firephotomaybe '  ' around it after the =01:01
Thirstehokay thanks01:01
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tarheelcoxnfirephoto: next time point people to .bashrc first01:04
tarheelcoxnfirephoto: .bash_profile is for login shells01:05
tarheelcoxn.bashrc is for non-login shells01:05
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firephotosorry. just going by what I have set here for alias stuff.01:07
tarheelcoxnif I'd been paying attention earlier I would've said something01:08
firephotoare those color alias not set by default with ubuntu?01:08
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tarheelcoxnI'm not at my [k|x] ubuntu boxen... not sure01:09
tarheelcoxnbut I'd be really surprised if ubuntu tinkered with the default bash colors01:10
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firephotoit probably would explain the ugly consoles though...01:10
firephotonothing is colored on mine.01:11
firephotoi guess i don't have much worth of colors to list.01:13
tarheelcoxnyou mean when you use ls?01:14
tarheelcoxndo you have anything executable in the directory?01:15
tarheelcoxnother directories?01:15
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firephotoi have ls colors. i guess it' just the ugly prompt.01:21
firephotonot that i look at it enough to care.01:22
KaoticEvilcool.. got ajva working in konqi :D01:22
KaoticEviljava too01:23
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tarheelcoxnfirephoto: google around... you'll find some easy/pretty prompts01:29
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drgayushey can i install mythtv on kubuntu?01:41
crimsunsure, it's in multiverse01:42
drgayusbut i cant find it with the filter... do i need to set a different repository? (im on the default)01:42
ubotuhmm... repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list01:43
LeeJunFan_awaysure would be a lot less irc traffic ubuntu would just enable them by default or ask during setup. That and have a screen with VERY LARGE fonts that explains no root password.01:44
drgayusso how do i know which repository has the mythTV package?01:45
drgayusDrGayus...use the search box 01:46
crimsunLeeJunFan_away: huh?01:46
LeeJunFan_awayuh, don't know how that happened.01:46
KaoticEvillol LeeJunFan 01:47
crimsunLeeJunFan: why would the average user have to care about there not being a root password?01:47
HobbseeLeeJunFan it would probably be useful if they did stick in the multiverse repositories, while commenting them out, certainly01:47
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LeeJunFancrimsun: well when you tell them to edit apt/sources.list for one. The first thing most people will try to do is su.01:49
LeeJunFancrimsun: I'm not saying they need to enable it, just have a screen that notifies people.01:49
crimsunLeeJunFan: err, there should be gui utilities for that.01:49
drgayussu. doesnt work in my shell... i use sudo01:49
LeeJunFanhehe, see.01:50
Hobbseehey KaoticEvil :)01:50
KaoticEvilhey Hobbsee :)01:50
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tarheelcoxnKaoticEvil: find something missing from the wiki01:51
KaoticEviltarheelcoxn: lol... i said a project :P not a job :P01:51
HobbseeKaoticEvil: neither, i'm still looking for bugs in this rc, and am not finding any lol01:51
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: delete your pr0n by accident did you? :)01:51
Hobbseeupgrade to dapper?01:51
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: would you believe ive never had a pr0n collection? nor any pr0n on my computer(s)01:52
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: yeah, clinton didn't inhale either :)01:52
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: lol.. but im serious tho01:52
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: nah, I beleive ya.01:53
KaoticEvili got DVD's for that :P01:53
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: notice i said on my computer(s).. nothing about IRL ;) :P01:53
KaoticEvilim more into MP3's :P01:53
KaoticEvilim half tempted to try rc1 again... but after what happened last nite... im scared :P01:54
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I'm tempted to see if xdmcp works with rc1.01:55
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: that library project I'm working on is going to have a bastard gdm login to get to kde if it doesn't get a fix within a month.01:55
KaoticEviloh, i do need to configure apacje...01:55
KaoticEvilapache2* even01:55
KaoticEvillol @ gdm login01:56
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Hobbseeno, very definetly a girl lol01:57
KaoticEvilgood to know...01:57
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tarheelcoxnbah... gender is overrated01:57
KaoticEvilhow the hell did i get sudo to remember my password?01:57
Hobbseeand it's mostly males on here01:57
tarheelcoxnKaoticEvil: ??01:57
HobbseeKaoticEvil: sudo -s?01:57
KaoticEvilyeah, thats it.. i think heh01:58
tarheelcoxnonce you've used it, you should be able to continue using it within the next five minutes or so without having to retype01:58
tarheelcoxnbut why would you want it to not time out?01:58
KaoticEviltarheelcoxn: well, on my previous install, i typed it like 5 times, and never had to type it again01:58
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tarheelcoxnsecurity risk01:59
KaoticEvilwas kinda nice, actually01:59
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=== KaoticEvil doesnt really car...
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: it's got a timeout - 15 seconds I think.01:59
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: or you can edit your sudoers file so you never need to type a password for sudo again.02:00
KaoticEvilyup, just thought of that ;)02:00
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: which is what I've done.02:00
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I figure if someone guesses my user password once, the second time will probably present little challenge anyway :)02:00
thoreauputicLeeJunFan: just don't walk away without locking your screen ;)02:01
KaoticEvilwhere is it tho? locate doesnt find it02:01
thoreauputicKaoticEvil: run  sudo visudo to edit sudoers02:02
KaoticEvilah, ok02:02
LeeJunFanthoreauputic: well honestly having my user files erased would be so devistating that having to re-install would be of little concern at that point :)02:02
kkathmanLeeJunFan: hows that KDE 3.5 RC1 doing?02:02
LeeJunFankkathman: not me man. :)02:02
LeeJunFankkathman: not yet anyway.02:02
Hobbseebah, go and try it02:02
kkathmanyah heard about a few bumps02:02
Hobbseenot here, but for other people, yeah02:02
Hobbseei'm wondering if it's a problem from upgrading from beta202:03
kkathmanHobbsee: you just told me you had a crash :)02:03
LeeJunFanHobbsee: could be. arts works?02:03
Hobbseewell, i did just have a crash, but it crahed kalarm once, not the entire kde repeatedly02:03
HobbseeLeeJunFan: it does indeed, from here - didtn have to configure it at all02:04
LeeJunFanmight be problems related to some existing settings too, whenever I upgrad kde and have issues, I always rename my .kde dir to something else and try with fresh kde settings to see if they are still there.02:05
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Hobbseecould be02:07
HobbseeLeeJunFan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems02:07
Hobbseeyou can judge for yourself...02:07
KaoticEvilok, ive found what i need to add... but where do i add it? :(02:08
HobbseeKaoticEvil: add to waht?02:08
LeeJunFanHobbsee: yeah, I read that.02:08
Hobbseei just added to it02:08
LeeJunFanHobbsee: awe crap. I'm gonna have to get it.02:08
KaoticEvilsudoers... im trying to set passwd_timeout to 002:08
HobbseeLeeJunFan: do, it's fun02:09
LeeJunFanHobbsee: hrm, kalarm is something I use often.02:09
HobbseeLeeJunFan: with sound?02:09
LeeJunFanI wish I could relocate the installation and have both stable and devel, mandrake did that once.02:10
LeeJunFanHobbsee: yeah, I use it to remind me of my appointments.02:10
LeeJunFanHobbsee: I could probably live with just the pop-ups.02:11
KaoticEvilah, there it is.. sudo -l02:11
KaoticEvilcool :)02:12
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Hobbseedidnt take very long to upgrade, i found yesterday02:13
LeeJunFanI'm not worried about how long it takes to update, I'm more worried about how long it will take me to downgrade if it doesn't work well enough :)02:14
Hobbseetrue lol02:14
KaoticEvilit took me about 3 hours ;)02:14
kkathmanLOL LeeJunFan  :)02:14
Hobbsee*shrugs* - a reinstall - not that long02:14
LeeJunFanErrors were encountered while processing:02:18
LeeJunFan /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5-rc1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb02:18
KaoticEvilthats always good ;)02:18
HobbseeLeeJunFan: and the rest of the error?02:18
LeeJunFangoody for me! Pray louder next time!02:18
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: the goddess is mad at me :(02:19
LeeJunFanHobbsee: apt doesn't say I'll have to dpkg it manually.02:19
Hobbseeis that all it gives you?02:19
Hobbseewhat about the bit just above it?02:19
LeeJunFanso I dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5-rc1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb and it just works.02:19
LeeJunFanokay, it's installed. If I'm not back within say 2 mins just put year ear to the ground and you might be able to hear me shooting my computer. :)02:21
KaoticEvilhmmmm... *kills apache2*02:21
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KaoticEvilwb LeeJunFan :)02:23
KaoticEvilhows it look?02:23
LeeJunFanno, wait!02:23
LeeJunFanwhen I put my mouse over an icon, kwin restarts.02:23
KaoticEvilblack? 02:23
KaoticEviloh, ouch02:23
LeeJunFanwell at least arts is still working.02:24
KaoticEviljust dont use any icons :P02:24
LeeJunFanhrm, I can open my trashcan with cervisia, I can see how that can be useful - not.02:24
LeeJunFanonly desktop icons do that, there's also a hangtime after kde starts before it displays any icons, and it seems to take a long time to initialize trash:/02:25
LeeJunFanlemme start a new session with another user.02:25
KaoticEvildoes apt-get support wildcards?02:25
HobbseeKaoticEvil: i think so02:26
Hobbseetry it02:26
KaoticEvili am02:26
HobbseeLeeJunFan: clearly that's a good reason not to have desktop icons, but add it to the wiki02:26
LeeJunFanwell, a new user doesn't have the desktop icon crash.02:27
LeeJunFansomeone already did I though.02:27
LeeJunFannow I'm gonna spend all night narrowing down which feature it is :) thanks.02:27
Hobbseedidnt see the long time in initializing trash:/ though02:27
LeeJunFanHobbsee: do you have the trash thing on your taskbar?02:27
Hobbseeoh...that's what you meant02:27
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LeeJunFanHobbsee: yeah, it opens up a window like a file copy progress window.02:28
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Hobbseeooh, weird trashcan02:28
KaoticEvilmy file copy progress windows aint pretty no more :(02:29
KaoticEvilim gonna try it02:31
KaoticEvilsomeone say a prayer for me...02:31
=== jsubl2 wait i am still lookin for a tissue over your progress windows
KaoticEvilo.o jsubl2 02:33
Hobbseegood luck KaoticEvil 02:36
Hobbseegotta go to work...02:36
LeeJunFanso I'll see everyone at KA tomorrow. (KDE'ers Anonymous) :)02:36
KaoticEvillol LeeJunFan 02:37
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: how did you fix that error you got? use dpkg to manually install the package?02:37
kkathmanKDEers Anonymous :)02:38
LeeJunFanWell, since I know the icon mouseover doesn't crash on a new user I'll go rename my ./kde/share/apps/ dir, if that doesn't do it I'll move that back and rename my .kde/share/config dir, one of those has to contain the offending config file. Then I get to hit them a config file at a time until I find the one :)02:39
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: yeah.02:39
LeeJunFanBack in a few.02:39
KaoticEvilhere we go...02:40
firephotospeaking of hear we go.. i wonder if that 10,000kg payload rocket made it aloft...02:41
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firephotonope... delayed.02:42
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kairu0damn i love kde02:50
kairu0nothing against gnome, but kde makes it look like 199702:50
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kkathmantoma_: have we made our mind up yet?03:00
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abhituxHI!..Need to solve a query please03:08
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nybbzhey, having problems with kubuntu installer... is it possible to resize NTFS partitions?03:27
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LeeJunFanwell, if you have the desktop crash when you move a mouse over an icon with rc1 - disable sound preview03:50
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dnBcan someone pls tell me how to make an application always load on startup?03:52
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LeeJunFandnB: put it in Autostart.03:52
LeeJunFandnB: open konqueror and choose "go" from menu03:52
kkathmanLeeJunFan: autostart???03:53
kkathmanhmm...thought is was to put it in bashrc03:53
LeeJunFankkathman: yeah.03:53
LeeJunFankkathman: depends on the app, if it's a gui app you need it to start after kde.03:53
kkathmanLeeJunFan: do you just put "go" in the address bar?03:54
LeeJunFankkathman: nope,it's a menu option in konq03:54
LeeJunFanyay! rc1 fixes xdmcp! :) remote kde logins work.03:54
kkathmanhmm... I dont seem to see that in my menu option03:54
kkathmanLeeJunFan: which option?? Location, Edit, View, Bookmarks, Tools, Settings, Help?03:55
LeeJunFanlocation edit view go bookmarks03:55
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LeeJunFanhow can that be. hehe03:55
sampanmy konq doesn't have "go" either on the menu bar03:55
LeeJunFanI'm special.03:56
sampanlocation -- edit -- view -- bookmarks --tools -- settings -- help03:56
kkathmanuhm... ok...Im kinda lost where to get this GO03:56
kkathmanLeeJunFan: please help, and dont mock....thats not very nice :(03:57
firephotoyour home folder.......~/.kde/Autostart03:57
dnBthanks guys03:57
dnBapparently its already in init.d03:57
kkathmansorry dnB usually people are more helpful03:58
dnBno sarcasm ;) thanks anyways03:58
kkathmanthank you firephoto03:58
dnBbut the problem is that it seems that it needs to have squid already running or it quits, and it boots before squid, no how i can change this?03:58
LeeJunFankkathman: I'm telling you I have "go"03:59
kkathmannever mind04:00
LeeJunFanI have no idea how I got it.04:00
LeeJunFanI've always had it. for years.04:00
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kkathmanPerhaps you could figure out how that got there.04:01
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KaoticEvildo i need to close everything down before i install rc1?04:02
firephotoHow the "go" got there? its always been a konq menu item...04:03
kkathmannot in mine04:03
firephotoit's the super simpled simple browser mode.. ;)04:04
firephotonormal mode is mia from what i see within konq on kubuntu04:05
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kkathmanwell I use konq solely as a file manager anyway04:05
LeeJunFanapparently in the threads discussing "go" it was removed by kubuntu(?) to dumb down konqueror so it's simpler for the simple minded. :(((  That's the kind of shit that made me leave mandrake.04:06
firephotohmm really takes away from konq in file mode... oh well.04:06
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: i got the same error you did...04:08
KaoticEvilok, that did it.. here we go... brb04:09
kkathmaneven if you put the "go" option on a toolbar, doesnt seem to do anything when you click it ??04:10
LeeJunFankkathman: that's not the right one in the location bar.04:11
LeeJunFankkathman: there's an actual "go" menu entry.04:11
LeeJunFanI hope he did apt-get upgrade again after dpkg or he's only got about a 1/2 installed kde.04:11
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LeeJunFanI think this link better shows how to get the menus back to kde default http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7994104:13
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LeeJunFanI guess I'll have to rm .kde from /etc/skel so new users get default stuff. not neutered stuff. I hope this isn't a beginnging to a trend.04:18
LeeJunFanokay, no .kde there.04:18
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LeeJunFanmust just be when you create the user on install, lucky for me I've been using the same /home dir for about 8 years now :)04:20
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LeeJunFanI see kaotic isn't back yet :( Anyone else know how else to get in touch with him?04:27
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KaoticEvilwell, this sucks.04:52
KaoticEvilinstalled KDE3.2rc1.. and i cant get it to start as my old user account :(04:53
KaoticEvilit starts fine when i login as root, or if i create a new user account04:54
firephotoKaoticEvil: it's probably some incompatible 3.4 settings in ~/.kde04:55
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eric_can someone help me get the jvm working?05:00
LeeJunFanubotu: tell eric_ about java05:02
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LeeJunFankkathman: I'm not having any reall issues now that I turned off sound previews in konq.05:03
KaoticEvilhey LeeJunFan...05:03
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: hey, get my e-mail? :)05:03
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: no..?05:03
LeeJunFannot kao@?05:03
KaoticEvilno, sorry :(05:03
KaoticEvilkaoticevil@gmail.com ;)05:03
LeeJunFanowell, I guessed. I send to kao@classicnet.net :)05:04
KaoticEvilive got a problem with rc1 tho..05:04
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KaoticEvilwhen i startx it just drops back to the console screen05:04
KaoticEvilno errors.. just dies05:04
KaoticEvili logged in as root, and it works fine... i created a enw user and it works fine... wtf?05:05
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: have you rebooted?05:05
firephotostill* sounds like .kde issues.05:05
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: should i?05:05
firephotocp you .kde to something else and nuke it.05:05
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: shouldn't need to, I wonder if it might be a tmp or xauth problem, though I think I'd start with mv $HOME/.kde $HOME/.kde.bak and try logging in.05:06
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: ill try that...05:06
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: you should log out first, and do the mv from console.05:06
firephotoif you mv/cp you .kde the tmp folders will still be in /tmp and /var/tmp so those might need cleaned.05:07
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: so your kde doesn't just save the bad settings again when you log out.05:07
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: im logged in as root (i know, i know...)05:07
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: did you sudo -s to become root?05:07
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: no, ive enabled root login from the console05:08
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: okay.05:08
KaoticEvilfor just this reason ;)05:08
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I was going to say, if you did that then you might end up with files in your ~ that are owned by root, and need to chown -R kao /home/kdo05:08
LeeJunFankao that is.05:08
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firephotohe'll have a .kde in /root/05:09
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KaoticEvilfirephoto: thats fine.. it works fine wheni login as root..05:09
KaoticEvilok, brb05:09
LeeJunFanfirephoto: yeah, but sudo keeps your environment, so if he started startx within sudo it would probably use his user home dir.05:10
firephotoi'm pretty sure he has a root account.05:10
LeeJunFanwhich he didn't apparently anyway.05:10
firephotootherwise "root" wouldn't be any different that "user" as far as starting kde goes. (with sudo)((if it even would work))05:11
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LeeJunFanfirephoto: well, except that it could change perms/owership on file sin there and when he tried to login as that user it wouldn't be able to read/write them.05:12
LeeJunFanthat's what happens sometimes to the files in /var/tmp and /tmp when running kde apps from sudo.05:12
firephotothat's why there's kdesu...05:13
firephototo me sudo only applies to using apps you would use in a root console.05:13
LeeJunFanfirephoto: yep.05:14
firephotoif i want to launch a gui i use alt+f205:14
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firephotoi see some advantages to using sudo to make things a little simpler but it doesn't seem to be locked down enough so you can't sudo something you don't need to.05:15
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KaoticEvilok.. it still doesnt work.. but at least now i get an error :)05:18
lordnynexIm having some problems with gcc05:18
crimsunlordnynex: have you installed 'build-essential'?05:18
lordnynexeverything i try to compile says gcc can not make executables05:18
KaoticEvilxauth: error in lockling authority file /home/kao/.Xauthority05:18
KaoticEvilhow do i unlock it? :)05:19
lordnynexis this a simple fix?05:19
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: remove it.05:19
lordnynexcrimsun: I believe so.. let me double check05:19
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: just delete it?05:19
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I had the same problem getting remote kdm working today.05:19
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KaoticEvilpermission denied :(05:20
KaoticEvildo i need to sudo rm... ?05:20
gdhIf you can't delete a dot-file in your own homedir, then hell yeh something is broken :)05:20
gdhsudo rm .Xauthority for sure05:20
KaoticEvilno kidding lol05:20
lordnynexcrimsun: apparently I dont.. will this install fix my problem?05:20
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: actually - that's the problem, it's owned by root :) you did sudo to run startx didn't you at some point? :)05:20
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: no, never05:20
KaoticEvili know better than that ;)05:21
trothdoes anyone know of a tutorial i can read about how to use the alien command?05:21
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: just sudo chown -R kao .Xauthority05:21
firephotoit probably just got locked from the session getting killed.05:21
LeeJunFanls -l .Xauthority and see what the perms are on it.05:21
KaoticEvili already deleted it :(05:21
KaoticEvilall the other files in /home/kao are owned by me tho..05:22
LeeJunFangood, see if you can login now.05:23
KaoticEvilk.. brb05:23
trothdoes anyone know where i can read about the alien command?05:24
LeeJunFantroth: man alien05:24
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KaoticEvilstill no joy :(05:25
KaoticEvili type startx and it gives me a CR/LF, and then just stops...05:26
KaoticEvilbut if i create a new user, it logs in just fine...05:26
firephotoKaoticEvil: you don't use the kdm? (or whatever the login manager is)05:26
KaoticEvilfirephoto: im stuck at the console05:27
firephotoi know... so maybe kdm(?) is running?05:27
KaoticEvili dont know...05:27
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: pidof kdm05:27
KaoticEvilyup, its running.. sudo kill <pid> ?05:28
firephoto just restart kdm05:28
KaoticEvil... how?05:28
LeeJunFan /etc/inti.d/kdm restart05:28
firephotosudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart    should do it i think05:28
LeeJunFanyeah, what he said.05:28
KaoticEviloh, duh.. same as restarting samba or apache.. ok05:28
KaoticEvilsudo invoke-rc.d kdm restart does the same thing, no?05:28
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=== firephoto just thought you used startx as a normal way of logging into X... lol
KaoticEvilfirephoto: heh.. no05:29
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: after you did the manual dpkg did you run apt-get upgrade again?05:29
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: there were still packages that needed to finish installing after that.05:29
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: yes, and it found like 25 packages that werent isntalled...05:29
KaoticEvil25 or 29 or some shit..05:29
KaoticEvilok, well, lets restart kdm and see what happens.. :)05:30
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KaoticEvili got it! :D05:39
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KaoticEvili even managed to save all my settings...05:39
KaoticEvilim not sure what happened... let alone why... but i fixed it :)05:40
KaoticEvilsomehow, /home/kao got owned by root (no, i did *not* sudo startx)... but all the files INSIDE it were still owned by me05:40
KaoticEvilso i chown -R kao:kao /home/kao05:41
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: that wouldn't have done that anyway.05:41
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: ok.. lol i dont know :P05:41
KaoticEvilbut its working now :)05:41
KaoticEvilim missing some of my app icons next to the K menu.. but thats minor...05:42
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KaoticEvilman.. a failure like that in windows... wow....05:44
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: what? you don't like using a text mode registry editor? :)05:45
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: no, if it was what i think happened... a registry editor wouldnt ahve done anthing...05:47
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KaoticEvillets see if arts works ;)05:49
KaoticEvilcool :) sound :)05:49
KaoticEviloooo... i like that :)05:52
KaoticEvilanyone know of a app that sits in the tray and monitors eth(x) activity?05:52
LeeJunFanknetload I think05:52
LeeJunFannope, that's not it.05:53
LeeJunFanyeah it is. apt-get install knetload05:53
KaoticEvilty :)05:54
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: did you resend that email?05:54
LeeJunFanno, it was just about making sure you did apt-get upgrade again after dpkg.05:55
KaoticEviloh, ok05:55
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: took you a long time to come back and I got worried that was why :)05:55
KaoticEvilworst case scenario, i would have reinstalled ;)05:56
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kairu0hey all05:57
KaoticEvilhi kairu0 05:59
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kairu0hey KaoticEvil 06:01
KaoticEvili will say this, so far rc1 seems a bit faster... and on my machine, every little bit counts :)06:02
kairu0i havent tried it yet06:02
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KaoticEvilrc1 modified my fstab?!06:14
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: hrm, mine is untouched.06:15
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: it changed my CDROM options... and my flashdrive...06:15
KaoticEvilit moved it from /home/kao to /media/sda06:16
KaoticEviland it put rw on my cdrom,06:16
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EchostormHi everyone.  I am having trouble installing Kubuntu.  It freezes at the "Detecting Network Hardware" screen with the progress bar at 0%.06:23
EchostormI'm on a Gateway M275 laptop with a Intel PRO/100 VE integrated network adapter06:25
Echostormany ideas?06:25
KaoticEvilok, where is apache1.3?06:29
KaoticEvilits not in the repos...06:29
KaoticEvilonly apache2 :(06:29
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trothhow do i add a program to the k menu?06:32
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KaoticEviltroth: kmenuedit06:34
KaoticEvilyou can also use kappfinder to search for non-kde apps that arent in the menu06:34
trothok i see06:34
LeeJunFanEchostorm: how long did you wait?06:38
LeeJunFanEchostorm: nevermind, I thought you said detecting network settings, not hardware.06:40
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: is there a command that lists all PID's?06:40
propagandhiEchostorm: does your laptop have a kill switch so to speak for the wireless06:40
LeeJunFanerr ps x06:40
KaoticEvilwow.. that did it! lol06:40
KaoticEvilok.. i need to find me a good C++ IDE for learning :)06:41
LeeJunFan'ps x | wc -l' will tell you how many processes you have running.06:41
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LeeJunFankdelvelop I mean. damn I can't type, must be tired.06:42
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: dont worry about it, i can usually translate typo on-the-fly ;)06:42
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: is it a RAD IDE?06:43
LeeJunFananyway, what I said first - only without the last 'e' :)06:43
LeeJunFanI was a teen in the 8006:44
LeeJunFanI was a teen in the 80's - I think we have differnt meanings for RAD :)06:44
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crimsunthat is -totally- rad06:44
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: lol.. i mean Rapid Application Development06:45
LeeJunFanthat's it :) I even used to freestyle BMX.06:45
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: i wasnt quite a teen in the 80's, but ive used rad in that manner as well ;)06:45
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I think you'll find kdevelop fit's both definitions :p06:46
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: lol06:47
KaoticEviluh oh.. konqi crashed :(06:48
KaoticEvilit wasnt even open?!06:48
KaoticEvilwhere/how can/do i report it?06:49
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kairu0hey all06:50
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: it wasn't your desktop was it?06:51
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: can you point at icons on your desktop with your mouse w/o your desktop crashing?06:51
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: can you point at icons on your desktop with your mouse w/o your desktop crashing?06:55
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: yeah06:55
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: how/where do i report crashes?06:55
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I don't know if the rc is setup on bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org yet or not, prob just the wiki.06:56
KaoticEvilwiki.kubuntu.org ?06:56
KaoticEvilty :) *booksmarks it*06:57
KaoticEviltake an "s" outta there somewhere... heh06:57
LeeJunFanDon't bother unless you can 1. recreate the problem and preferably 2. give details on errors you get.06:57
KaoticEviloh, ok06:57
KaoticEvilwell, i loaded adept, was looking for the kdevelop packages, and konqi (which wasnt even open) crashed...06:58
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: typing with a lisp are we? now that's gay :)06:58
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KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: :P byte me06:58
KaoticEvilno, typing with fat fingers :P06:58
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KaoticEvilmy g/f would agree with me ;)06:59
LeeJunFan! KaoticEvil06:59
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, kaoticevil is gay.06:59
kairu0ubotu, i knew that07:00
ubotukairu0: What?07:00
KaoticEvil! LeeJunFan 07:00
kairu0oops i talked to a bot07:00
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, leejunfan is a handsome genius! you can e-mail him at jason@skycon.net if you want to.07:00
kairu0i dont buy that07:00
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: your name is jason?07:00
LeeJunFanI was so ready for that!07:00
KaoticEvilcool :>07:00
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LeeJunFanyeah, I noticed that when you came on earlier.07:01
KaoticEvilheh cool07:01
KaoticEvili wish i could lazarus working tho :(07:01
KaoticEvili already *know* OP...07:01
KaoticEvili dont want to have to learn a whole new language...07:01
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: just one? learn a few.07:02
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: in time, my son.. in time :P07:03
KaoticEvilfor the moment, i just want to knock up a quick app to say i wrote an app for linux :P07:03
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I used to be like that, then I realized that w/o having a real goal in mind I couldn't finish anything. hehe07:03
KaoticEvilC is *out* tho.. C++.. ok, i guess... i *really* want to find an OP IDE that works tho...07:03
LeeJunFanC is not out... the kernel is C.07:04
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: im not learning C :P07:04
KaoticEvilbecause im not gonna ever code for the kernel :P07:04
KaoticEvilim going to focus *exclusively* on X apps :P07:05
KaoticEvilim lazy... i like OOP :P07:05
LeeJunFanlearn python :) you can code stuff that works on all platforms with gui's and all.07:05
KaoticEvilwell, not exclusively X apps.. im going cross-platform..07:05
LeeJunFanpython has libs for QT and gtk as well. So python apps can look just like any KDE app.07:05
KaoticEvilyeah, i saw those... but really, python isnt a programming language.. its more a scripting language ;)07:06
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: granted python is an interpreted language so you don't want to write 3d games in it. :)07:06
KaoticEvili dont want to write 3d games anyway ;)07:06
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: there's a very fine line between scripting and anything else any more other than the compiler, and there are even compilers for some things considered scripting langs. you'd be amazed at the stuff I've done with bash.07:07
KaoticEvilheh.. maybe... ive done some amazing things with BAT files ;)07:08
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: it's sad really, I find that I can do so much stuff in bash that I don't bother doing stuff in other languages, and I'm getting rusty doing heavier programming.07:08
KaoticEvilim rusty as hell on my delphi :( i cant find my CD... havent been able to code anything for over a year07:09
LeeJunFanI've done C, Assembly, tcl/tk, perl (which I hate with a passion and my brain blocked it out), php/mysql, basic, python, and I know I'm forgetting something.07:09
LeeJunFanyeah, something == how to program in any of those. eheh07:09
LeeJunFanThe only thing I've done any work in recently is php/mysql, bash, and python.07:10
KaoticEvilbasic (with several variants, VB, QB, GWB, TIB), delphi... i havent moved into php/MySQL...07:10
KaoticEviland i have written a few *small* apps in C++....nothing impressive tho.. a "hello world" and a basic calculator07:11
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: no need to if you don't do web apps, although mysql is useful in so many ways other than just web.07:11
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: well, i want to learn it just so i know it07:11
KaoticEvili like learning new things...07:11
LeeJunFanI'm a C programmer at heart, but I don't have any need to write anything in C. My C programming is so far and few between that I have to refresh myself on pointers and dereferencing every time I do it.07:12
KaoticEviloh, hey.. COOL... KDevelop has headers for FreePascal! yay! *does a happy dance*07:12
LeeJunFana happy dance? :-/07:13
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KaoticEviloh :P07:14
KaoticEvili *like* OP07:14
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: how fast is your internet connection?07:15
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: 256/128 :(07:15
KaoticEvili live in a town with 2 stoplights.. dont guess i should complain, eh?07:15
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: we have 4 :)07:19
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: check your gmail in a min.07:21
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LeeJunFanI actually live 5 miles outside of town, I wouldn't have fast internet here if I didn't own the wireless ISP I get service from :)07:24
firephotoi had wireless at first. put up with the morons for a year... :( dsl now.07:27
LeeJunFanfirephoto: yeah, there are a lot of hacks out there doing wireless and screwing it up.07:28
LeeJunFanfirephoto: what they don't realize is all their networking knowledge doesn't mean d*ck if they dont know RF.07:28
firephotoi think their network worked better for all the zombie pc's rather than the users who needed some b/w07:28
firephotothat and they didn't understand the concept of me wanting all my email and it not being filtered. :(07:29
LeeJunFanfirephoto: yeah, that too. We keep a tight watch on our bandwidth use, and if something goes out of the ordinary we usually catch it pretty quick and put a stop to it.07:29
firephotothey expected me to have spam coming in... .. apparanly "everyone" has spam... lol07:29
firephotoit was kind of funny though.. I could forward this one email from hotmail without issues. same exact email forwarded from an netscape account would get blackholed.07:30
LeeJunFanfirephoto: yeah, I'm the same way, I want to know what I'm missing. It's tough to have an ISP that filters spam and IP ports, etc.. hard to diagnose stuff.07:30
firephotothey would always tell me they "fixed" my email... I don't know that it ever worked good. finally just paid for a yahoo pop3 and never looked back. gmail is pretty reliable now though...07:31
firephotomakes me wonder why i'm still paying for yahoo.. but it's not like it's that much. lol07:32
firephotothe local utility district that has the fiber here does wireless too. they aren't much smarter.. they said even if they did do direct fiber hookups the speed would be the same as the wireless hookup. lol07:33
LeeJunFanyeah, bandwidth in rural areas is expensive.07:33
firephotothere's no less than 4 fiber trunk lines here.... ;)07:33
LeeJunFanWe get T1's here for about $700/ea, compare that to the telco here selling 3Mbit DSL for $80/mo07:34
LeeJunFanHard to make a profit competing against that.07:34
firephotoverizon has atleast 2, maybe 3, some other telco has one, then the utilities.07:34
LeeJunFanwe just shifted our focus to areas that can't get DSL.07:34
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firephotothey utility uses motorola gear.. pretty expensive deployments.07:35
firephotothe one isp that had wireless first uses smartbridges07:35
LeeJunFanyeah, we've got a neighbor WISP (wireless ISP) that uses that stuff to the tune of about $600 per client. Compared to our modified 802.11 gear that moves way more bandwidth for about $150/mo, but then we know what we are doing. :)07:36
LeeJunFanfirephoto: smartbridges has some issues. A lot of wisps stopped using those.07:37
firephotoyeah i think mine went t-u right near the end of my service with them. wouldn't hold a connection very good.07:37
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firephotoi didn't want to reset it and freak them out. (they never locked me out of it so i could log in as user to "look")07:38
LeeJunFanright now at my house I've got a linksys wrt54G router running linux connected to a 24dBi gain dish which is pointing at a repeater tower of our 2 miles from my house. :)07:38
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LeeJunFanwe don't have any linksys setups like that at clients, but I'm seriously evaluating it. Been using it here for about 2-3 months.07:39
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LeeJunFanA lot to be said for having a linux router at each client location. Ton's of possibilities.07:39
firephotokeeps the nasties off the network I imagine.07:40
acc__Hi #Kubuntu.  I'm trying to install 5.10 and it bombs during the software installation step with "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1).  Check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log for the details."  Opening a vty and looking in the /target/var/log directory reveals that the directory is entirely empty!  How can I find out what went wrong?  Thanks.07:40
LeeJunFanyeah, and if the client router has tcpdump on it we can even tell them which computer on their network is doing the viral stuff even behind NAT.07:41
Lathiatacc__: check alt+f3/alt+f4 often caused by an error on your install CD07:41
Lathiatacc__: bad burn/bad disk/etc07:41
acc__Lathiat: Probably bad HDD or bad ISO then.  I'm getting the same result from 2 CDs I've burnt.07:42
LeeJunFanso that's verizon you are on now that doesn't know how to setup reverse DNS?07:43
firephotoLeeJunFan: what are you running on that linksys for firmware?07:43
acc__Lathiat: hmm...  how to scroll up/down in vty?07:43
Lathiatacc__: try burning at a lower speed07:44
acc__Lathiat: Looks like sr0 is at fault.07:45
LeeJunFanLathiat: that's what it's going to say if it can't read the CD.07:45
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LeeJunFanerr, acc__ I mean.07:45
acc__LeeJunFan: sr0 is the CD?  interesting...07:46
LeeJunFanacc__: yeah, sr0 sda scd0, hehe07:46
acc__LeeJunFan: The HDD is going to be hdx, even if it's SATA, yes?07:46
LeeJunFanoh, no - sda woudln't be.07:46
LeeJunFanacc__: that I don't know. I've never used SATA.07:46
acc__I've checked the MD5 hash of the ISO, so it's a safe bet that the ISO file is good...07:47
acc__I'll try burning at a lower speed ;-)07:47
LeeJunFanacc__: you should be able to md5 the CD too.07:47
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Lathiatmd5ing he cd is dodgy tho07:48
Lathiatyou have to do it right07:48
Lathiatoterhwise you get a bit of buffer off the end07:48
LeeJunFanacc__: but it can be tricky.07:48
Lathiatand it wont match07:48
james_is there any way to get MS Exchange mail in kontact/kmail?07:48
LeeJunFanhave to use isoinfo to get real block size and count, then dd to read it and pipe to md5 :) sounds like fun right? 07:48
The_Voxjames_: evolution only, AFAIK, unless you configure MSEx to allow pop3'ing07:50
LeeJunFanacc__: might mean it's time to take a q-tip to your CD-reader/writer lens too.07:51
acc__LeeJunFan: brand new computer ;-))07:51
james_grr.. stupid exchange07:51
acc__Lathiat: Any suggestions of what speed to burn the CD at?07:52
Lathiat8 or 1607:52
LeeJunFanjames_: there are tricky ways around it. Would involve setting up imap mail on linux, have your exchange mail copy to that, then you can use kmail to read imap :)07:52
acc__Lathiat: I'm doing 8, thanks.07:53
LeeJunFanjames_: or if you have a fast connection and your isp supports imap just use that.07:53
KaoticEvil"srecord - Manipulate EPROM load files" on apt-cache search07:54
KaoticEvilwtf is that about?07:54
firephotojames_: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim/kresources/exchange/07:55
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firephotothere's some code but it's not complete apparently.07:55
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: email received.. tyvm :)07:56
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: you check it out yet?07:56
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KaoticEvilmind if i add you to my messenger? and no, i was afk.. about to do so07:57
LeeJunFanyeah, go ahead.07:57
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: my yahoo im is flakey, I'm running a CVS version of SIM.07:57
LeeJunFanhehe, of course that's the one you have.07:58
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: that worked well enough, main problem is adding yahoo clients.07:58
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KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: i used the official deb pacakge..07:59
KaoticEvilworks great for me :)07:59
OsireSHi all, have a quick question .. all of a sudden my system takes forever to get through the line "Staring hotplug subsystem" any ideas how I can diagnose what the problem is?07:59
KaoticEvilof course, i have 2 other ID's signed in with kopete :P08:00
LeeJunFanI locked up X today and had to hard reset my machine, and ext3 or not, I lost my damn kopeterc and accounts are all gone from it, being I had sim and was involved in getting xdmcp working I just went back to that for now.08:00
KaoticEvilheh.. whats xdmcp ?08:00
LeeJunFanremote X.08:00
KaoticEviloh, cool08:00
gigcshi i have question08:01
KaoticEvilgigcs: ask away :)08:01
gigcsgpg key 08:01
LeeJunFanthin clients. I've got a library to setup soon with them, going to have one server and 25+ workstations, but the workstations are just going to have a kernel and X, no kde etc... They'll just connect to the X server and all the applications and data will be run/stored at the server.08:02
gigcsrecomplie ubuntu-keyring08:02
gigcsi don't sign key08:02
KaoticEvilthat reminds me.. i need to upload my key...08:03
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: yeah, very nice. I will never have to mess with those workstations, everythign will be at the server. they will just be remote displays and keyboards, and when I update the server some day to dapper all the workstations will have dapper too. :)08:03
OsireSSorry to be pain but anybody have any ideas?08:03
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: thats kickass...08:04
KaoticEviland that is also what i would call TRUE extensibility :)08:04
gigcsdon't upload not recomplie ubuntu-keyring08:04
gigcsyes or no08:04
KaoticEvilwtf was i going to do? :|08:04
LeeJunFanOsireS: sorry man, never really messed with it much, how long does it take? It's not uncommon to take 8-15 seconds on hotplug.08:05
jepcubedso I hate to start a flame war, but I do have a question.  Why shoud I pick Kubuntu or Ubuntu? I know one is Gnome, one is KDE, but is that.  I have used FreeBSD for servers and such, but I really would like to look at getting aways from XP on my desktop.  This also means I have to teach my wife how to use it.  Is KDE going to be a better migration?08:05
KaoticEviljepcubed: in my opinion, KDE is the more "windows-ish" between K and Gnome08:06
LeeJunFanjepcubed: ubuntu/kubuntu is just the starting point, after you have the system installed you can install ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop and have both, so you can find out which one is best for your needs.08:06
KaoticEviljepcubed: and btw, the only difference between Kubuntu and ubuntu is KDE and Gnome08:06
OsireSLeeJunFan: Its about 20-30 seconds but when I installed initially it used to be about 5, now after an arb reboot its suddenly way slower08:06
jepcubedKaoticEvil, so the base systems are the same correct08:06
KaoticEviljepcubed: yup :)08:07
KaoticEvilthe only difference that im aware of is the window manager08:07
OsireSBut if thats the norm I'll just stick it out, its annoying cause kubunutu was booting faster than my XP box ;-)08:07
KaoticEvilerr. desktop environment08:07
LeeJunFanOsireS: do you have any new hardware installed? maybe something as simple as a joystick, keyboard, memstick?08:08
KaoticEvilOsireS: do you have several hotplug devices?08:08
OsireSKaoticEvil: What constitues a hotplug device?08:08
gigcsi remastering  distro ubuntu and i test install error apt step fail.08:09
KaoticEvilOsireS: im not sure on what the linux kernel defines as hotplug, but the way i define it is USB and/or firewire devices...08:09
LeeJunFanOsireS: anything that can safely be plugged in or unplugged while the system is running.08:09
LeeJunFanlaptops can include the cd writer/rom08:09
OsireSKaoticEvil/LeeJunFan: Could it be an external harddrive that I had plugged in and then took out08:09
KaoticEvilanything that can be..... yeah.. what LeeJunFan said :P08:09
KaoticEvilOsireS: yup, could be.. its looking for it08:09
OsireScould it still be somehow looking for that drive even though its not there?08:09
LeeJunFanOsireS: but I think hotplug searches all devices to determine which ones are hotplug, so even if you added a non hotplug dev it could take longer.08:10
OsireS:-) Awesome that at least gives me a starting point to dig around08:10
gigcsi have question08:10
LeeJunFanOsireS: it should not be something that is not plugged in when you boot.08:10
KaoticEvilOsireS: i had somethinf similar happen the other day when i didnt have my flashdrive plugged in when i booted08:10
OsireSI figure a honours compsci student should at least be able to find something, otherwise whats the point of this piece of paper I just got08:10
LeeJunFanOsireS: but you could just suspend to ram and never reboot :)08:10
KaoticEvildoes that keep the uptime timer running? :P08:11
acc__Lathiat: mucho mas bueno.  gracias. ;-)08:11
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: yeah, a few years ago I had a laptop with a 3 month uptime and I suspended it about 5 times a day.08:11
OsireSLeeJunFan: I wish, regretably one computer for family and they not too happy when windows isn't running. Its gonna be a slow process ;-)08:11
KaoticEvilOsireS: tell em to learn linux or get their own :P08:12
LeeJunFanOsireS: but let me guess, you are the only one in the house who knows how to fix the computer when it get's loaded with spyware and viruses right?08:12
LeeJunFanOsireS: so if you go on strike.... What choice do they have?08:12
OsireSLeeJunFan: Linux firewall that the XP box sites behind + antivirus updated + Firefox ONLY usage08:13
KaoticEvilya know.. its funny.. ive been running MS OS'es since DOS3.3... and i have *never* had a virus and/or spyware infection...08:13
OsireSNo spyware for a while regretably, the stupid box won't break08:13
KaoticEvilLOL OsireS 08:13
KaoticEvilOsireS: install SP2 :P08:14
KaoticEvilthat usually breaks it ;)08:14
KaoticEvilor drop the harddrive into a new mobo ;008:14
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I've had a couple viruses on windows, and a little spyware and I have hardly used windows on my own systems for about 10 yrs.08:14
LeeJunFan! windows08:15
ubotuit has been said that windows is unnecessary, everything runs in Linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office or find an !alternative, or what you remove to make room for kubuntu08:15
KaoticEvili think my cdrom is using PIO mode :|08:16
OsireSStill like my Call of Duty 2 and Civ 4 I'm afraid08:16
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: it shoudl be.08:16
LeeJunFanerr, no - udma08:16
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KaoticEvilWindows is a 32-bit shell for a 16-bit kernel that runs on an 8-bit processor with a 4-bit sub-structure from a 2-bit company that doesnt know 1-bit about stability :)08:17
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: shoutld be PIO?! wtf?!08:17
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OsireSAlso quick question how the hell do you get Firefox to obey the fonts used in KDE, it still has these ugly fonts that are 2 sizes too big08:17
naliothOsireS: dont use firefox08:17
naliothOsireS: firefox brings all it's own settings and decorations08:18
gigcswho know remaster ubuntu cd ? Please  answer me. 08:18
LeeJunFannalioth: loose definition of decorations there...08:18
LeeJunFanthat's like saying peanuts and corn are turd jewelry.08:18
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naliothgigcs: see the URL i just posted08:19
OsireSCool, I'll fight with it for a bit, I kinda like Firefox08:19
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ubotuI guess windows is unnecessary, everything runs in Linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office or find an !alternative, or what you remove to make room for kubuntu08:19
KaoticEvilOsireS: try konqueror :)08:19
OsireSThanks a lot KaoticEvil and LeeJunFan for all the help08:20
KaoticEvilOsireS: np :)08:20
gigcs ubuntu cd redistro install  not livecd.08:20
OsireSGiven that I've now been converted from Suse to Kubunutu I'll be here more often ;-)08:20
LeeJunFanOsireS: anytime.08:20
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OsireSAny advantage to using Konquerer over Firefox ... other than the fonts look right?08:21
OsireSbefore I leave figured I might ask08:21
KaoticEvilOsireS: its faster08:21
naliothOsireS: use galeon instead, it's as configurable as you like, and has many features ootb, that ff does not08:21
KaoticEvilgaleon? isnt that a gnome app?08:21
LeeJunFanOsireS: konqueror supports other protocols like webdav, ftp, fish, sftp, samba, etc... and file dragging/dropping. But firefox is more reliably going to display the pages right.08:22
gigcs<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">08:22
gigcs<body><H1 id="title"><A title="Click to do a full-text search for this title" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo?action=fullsearch&value=linkto%3A%22InstallCDCustomizationHowTo%22&context=180">InstallCDCustomizationHowTo</A></H1></body>08:22
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naliothKaoticEvil: galeon is a gtk app, yes08:22
KaoticEvilOsireS: konqueror is like Windows Explorer, IE, an FTP client, and WinZIP all in one.. plus a few more....08:22
OsireSSo its just lagging behind in the proper rendering of web pages08:23
gigcsbut don't gpg sign key  recomplie ubuntu-keyring 08:23
OsireSThats a shame so as a web developer I'm forced to use Firefox, at least till Konquerer sorts that out ;-)08:23
KaoticEvilOsireS: ive not found very many pages that dont render properly in konqi08:24
LeeJunFanOsireS: I've found that no 2 browsers seem to render everything the same, when I do pages, I have to check them on firefox, ie, and konqueror.08:24
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: not too many, and konqueror has gotten much better in the last couple releases.08:25
gigcsi try recomplie ubuntu-keyring but gpg sign not pass08:25
OsireSTrust me .. I know *sigh*08:25
kairu0LeeJunFan, can you recommend a kde html editor? (visual)08:25
LeeJunFanquanta is about as good as it gets.08:25
KaoticEvilkairu0: Nvu is good too...08:26
gigcsPlease advise step recomplie ubuntu-keyring08:26
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: is your laptop on? :P08:27
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: yessir.08:27
kairu0cool thnkx08:27
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: can't reach it?08:27
KaoticEvilkonqi's being a bitch then.08:27
KaoticEvilnope :(08:27
gigcsdesktop computer08:27
kairu0LeeJunFan, i'm translating this site and its bad enuf worrying about the translation w/out worrying about html tags hehe08:28
LeeJunFanjust a sec - I have some fancy load balancing routing here. maybe I gave you wrong IP, of course either should have worked.08:28
gigcsno laptop08:29
gigcshave document or advise  remaster ubuntu install cd.?08:30
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: well, one thing doesn't help is that some guy who is behind on his payments to me is pretty much filling that T1, he's about to have modem speed.08:31
KaoticEvili bet hes about to be a lil upset too ;)08:32
gigcsI want add package on ubuntu cd08:32
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: should pay his bills.08:32
LeeJunFanhis 190K a second download just dropped to 8K a second. hehe08:33
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: can you ping that IP#?08:33
LeeJunFandoes it come back from the same one you sent to or another IP responding?08:34
KaoticEvilill try it in kbear08:34
KaoticEvilfrom the same08:34
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: maybe vsftp didn't bind to that IP or something, I'll restart it.08:34
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: try now I guess.08:35
cynehas anyone managed to compile duke3d?08:35
cynejfduke3d rather08:36
KaoticEvilcould not connect :(08:36
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: try again if you would, I have a feeling your connection on port 21 comes in and goes out the right interface but when it tries to establish the data flow on port 20 it's probably sending from the wrong IP# here.08:37
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: same error.. could not connect to host08:38
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LeeJunFanhrm, I didn't even see any traffic come from you. Do you have more than one IP?08:38
KaoticEvillemme try another client..08:39
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I have a sniffer going here for your IP# and I didn't see anythign come from it.08:39
KaoticEvilterm gives me connection refused08:39
cynedoes anyone know where to find sdl-config, i tried dpkg -S sdl-config to no avail08:39
crimsuncyne: you need libsdl1.2-dev08:39
crimsun!info libsdl1.2-dev08:39
ubotulibsdl1.2-dev: (Simple DirectMedia Layer development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-5.3ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 873 kB, Installed size: 3460 kB08:39
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: good old plain command line 'ftp' gives the best error messages.08:39
KaoticEvilyeah, i know ;)08:40
gigcsredisto ubuntu install HowTo?????08:40
KaoticEvili cant connect to *any* ftp's?!08:40
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: odd that I don't see a single packet reaching me though.08:40
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: its on my end...08:40
KaoticEvilfor some reason, i cant connect to *any* FTP's...08:41
KaoticEvilvery strange... i was on my own FTP yesterday...08:41
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: you setup any kind of firewall on your system, or how about your router. Maybe your router needs rebooted.08:42
KaoticEvilmy router is my other machine...08:42
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: linux?08:42
KaoticEvilno, XP08:42
KaoticEviland it hasnt rebooted...08:42
LeeJunFanwhat if you connect from there.08:42
KaoticEvilso i know nothings changed08:42
LeeJunFanNAT and FTP don't play well together.08:42
KaoticEvili cant access it right now...08:42
KaoticEvilits in my roommates room :P08:43
KaoticEviland hes in bed :(08:43
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: bit i was getting on my webhosts's FTP yesterday...08:43
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: windows has a way of rotting like a dead possum in the road on a hot summer day... It doesn't need a reason to stop working.08:43
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: i take offense at that...08:44
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me2winhey all08:44
KaoticEvili maintain that system.. and all other systems in the house ;)08:44
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: well, let's put it this way, I've had linux routers for networks of multiple T1's with uptimes past 3 yrs.08:44
KaoticEvillemme try something else....08:44
KaoticEvilah, my theme song.. Simple Plan - God Must Hate Me...08:44
KaoticEvilof course, there is no god... but thats beside the point ;)08:45
LeeJunFanyes there is, you're trying to connect to his ftp site right now:)08:45
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: i dont believe in god ;)08:45
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: me either, even if I did I wouldn't worship someone who says one thing and does the other... "Thou shalt not kill" hey, check out this plague :)08:46
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: i go one step further tho... im Wiccan :)08:46
LeeJunFananyway - WAAAY off topic.08:46
KaoticEvilheh yeah08:47
KaoticEvilwhy the hell is FTP broken? o.o08:47
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ubotuit has been said that conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view08:48
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LeeJunFanbah, I didn't even realize anyone else was actively here. :)08:49
LeeJunFananyway - perfectly running and windows is an oxymoron.08:50
v-doggperfectly running and whatever OS is on oxymoron08:50
drgayusis there a plugin to make shadows under windows?08:50
v-doggperfectly running and whatever computer programm is an oxymoron08:51
hettarI don't suppose there are 3.5 RC1 packages yet08:51
LeeJunFandrgayus: not a plugin really, but kde does support such effects if you have your 3d working for nvidia, it does not work worth a crap with ATI drivers.08:52
LeeJunFanhettar: www.kubuntu.org08:52
LeeJunFanv-dogg: there must be something wrong with your OS too, it's printing twice to the channel :p08:53
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: windows (2k and xp at least) only break when someone messes about with somethng they shouldnt, or on case of virus/spyware infection.. mine ran flawlessly :)08:53
ubotukde3.5 is probably KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf08:53
v-doggLeeJunFan: no, the problem is on your side if you cannot see the difference :)08:55
LeeJunFanv-dogg: I dunno, I was just telling KaoticEvil that I've had servers with 3yr+ uptimes.08:57
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KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: i havent had a system for that long :P08:57
KaoticEvilwell, not the same system anyway lol08:57
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: hehe08:57
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LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I haven't my personal systems, I usually wear out a laptop every 18 months.08:58
KaoticEvilim always changing them.. adding/removing hardware... changing paritioning, building a whole new box...08:58
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LeeJunFanwell, that's not good. just looked at my kdm for remote and realized it's allowing remote shutdown. I can see the chaos at the library now when someone decides to shut down and takes 24 other people with them. hehe09:00
drgayusive had xp for 2 years...no updates ...only reinstall cos of dead harddrive09:02
drgayusto start a web server i need apache?09:03
LeeJunFandrgayus: yeah, or better yet apache209:03
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KaoticEvildrgayus: a friend of mine has had the same XP install on for over 3 years09:05
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: that would be hilarious @ remote shutdown...09:05
drgayusu do have to know how to use it :) no ie, no outlook, ...etc09:06
KaoticEvilsomething i would do.. being KaoticEvil and all ;)09:06
KaoticEvildrgayus: i used XP for over a year (changed out mobo, had to reinstall) for over a year, using IE...09:06
KaoticEviland no firewall ;)09:06
gigcsremaster ubuntu install09:07
naliothgigcs: i sent you a link earlier09:07
drgayushehe i wouldnt run xp without firewall ... i like the control... soooo xxx.exe you want to go to website.com ...? NO :P 09:07
KaoticEvildrgayus: i didnt need one.. i had plenty of other protection going for me :)09:08
drgayusthats good then09:09
KaoticEvil3 seperate A/V engines scanning everything.. plus a couple of other apps i had custom-written for me ;)09:09
KaoticEvilno one was getting my data unless i gave it to them :)09:09
naliothyou know what really irritates me (since we're already way offtopic) is that i read an article extolling dual-core procs as "good to have  so your a/v, firewall and other security tools dont bog down your machine"09:10
naliothi find that EXTREMELY sad09:10
drgayuswell... its all about marketing to the masses09:10
KaoticEvilnalioth: yeah, it is kinda sad...09:11
KaoticEvila *good* a/v, firewall, whatever shouldnt bog a system down anyway09:11
gigcsNot is LiveCD But InstallCD09:13
gigcsPlease advise or link 09:13
naliothKaoticEvil: you shouldnt NEED any of those09:13
naliothgigcs: ask uncle google09:14
naliothgigcs: because we don't know09:14
naliothgigcs: or ask in #ubuntu 09:14
gigcsthank you.09:14
KaoticEvilnalioth: no, you shouldnt... but on a windows environment, you do...09:14
KaoticEvilesp. the a/v and anti-spyware09:15
naliothKaoticEvil: you're missing my point09:15
drgayusREQ: in adept manager ...can they make it in next version to be able to sort by the columns...09:15
KaoticEvilnalioth: ... i guess i am...09:16
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naliothKaoticEvil: do we need those things in linux?09:16
KaoticEvilnalioth: the firewall, perhaps...09:16
KaoticEviland i have heard of viruses for linux.. not many, admittedly...09:16
KaoticEvilbut then again, linux isnt for the masses.... yet09:17
naliothKaoticEvil: there are less than 10 known, and all have been neutralized09:17
KaoticEvillinux is still for geeks like you, me, and everyone else in here that knows the ins n outs of their system09:17
naliothKaoticEvil: a firewall is NOT necessary for a personal workstation in linux09:17
KaoticEvilnalioth: i agree09:18
KaoticEvilid run one anyway :P09:18
KaoticEvilwell, a router, at least ;)09:18
naliothduh. i run a router due to my several computers09:19
naliothbut it's not actively protecting anything09:19
KaoticEvilnalioth: i agree that linux is *hella* more secure than any windows (OOB, anway)09:19
drgayusi installed the apache2 packages... where do i set it up > its not in the k menu...09:20
KaoticEvilyou *can* secure windows to a point where no one gets in unless you let them in.. ive done it...09:20
KaoticEvildrgayus: you have to edit /etc/apache/apache2.conf09:20
KaoticEvilnalioth: dont get me wrong, im not trying to argue or flame...09:20
drgayusis apache automatically turned on?09:20
KaoticEvildrgayus: yup :)09:21
KaoticEvildrgayus: after you edit the conf files to be how you want them, youll need to restart the apache service09:21
KaoticEvildrgayus: use: sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart09:22
KaoticEvilit may be "apache2 restart" in stead of "apache restart" i dont know.. i use apache 1.3 :)09:22
drgayusok thanks :) ... 09:23
KaoticEvilyup :)09:23
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KaoticEvili personally dont like the way apache2 does VirtualHosts...09:23
drgayusthis is pretty wicked... running apache server on kubuntu in vmware...accesible via internet...09:25
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KaoticEvildrgayus: welcome to the club :)09:26
KaoticEvilill show you the secret handshake later :P09:26
drgayushehehe ok ... i hope i dont need to run it in shell... welll... i can cut & paste09:27
KaoticEvildrgayus: you can use: kdesu kate /etc/apache/apache.conf09:28
KaoticEvilto edit the files, that will allow you so edit them in a GUI text editor :)09:28
LeeJunFanone thing I don't like  about linux in vmware is ctrl-alt f1-f9 don't work .09:28
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drgayusthx.. i browsed to the directory...i dont really know what to configure yet09:28
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: not even with VMWare Tools isntalled?09:28
eXistenZhow big the swap partition should be?09:28
naliotheXistenZ: how much ram you got?09:29
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I don't think the tools apply to linux.09:29
naliotheXistenZ: 76809:29
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: there are tools for linux.. i installed them once :)09:29
LeeJunFanowell, off to bed everyone. Gnight. It's 3:30 am for me.09:29
KaoticEvilnalioth: how much bigger should i make mine? ive only got 128MB of RAM :P09:29
KaoticEvilnite LeeJunFan :)09:30
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KaoticEvilswap is set at 256 (too small, i know)09:30
naliothKaoticEvil: make yours 3x09:30
KaoticEvilill have to edit partitions... urgh.. ok.. gparted it is ;)09:31
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KaoticEvilwhere can i see if my cdrom is running in PIO or UDMA mode?09:36
KaoticEvilbecause i suspect its in PIO...09:36
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kairu0still there?09:43
kairu0i think its /etc/hdparm.conf09:43
me2winIs there a way to change which console opens up when you use F4 in konq?09:52
me2wini want it to use yakuake and auto cd to the folder that i have open in konq09:52
me2winjust like konsole does, anybody know how to switch it?09:53
me2winchanging default terminal to yakuake doesnt work either, it only makes it open up several instances09:53
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v-doggbtw, is there a terminal that would recognize url's and make them clickable?09:56
naliothv-dogg: gnome-terminal09:56
_pvhKaoticEvil: You mentioned earlier that you would rather learn C++ than C.10:05
_pvhKaoticEvil: I just thought I would point out that the definitive C++ manual is about a thousand pages long and nobody in the world really understands all of it.10:06
v-doggnalioth: thanks10:06
KaoticEvilim sure :)10:06
_pvhKaoticEvil: The definitive C manual is I think about 170 pages long and if you read it, you can, and will, completely understand the language.10:06
KaoticEvil_pvh: is C OO?10:07
_pvhKaoticEvil: Hmm.10:07
_pvhKaoticEvil: Are pianos rock instruments?10:07
_pvhKaoticEvil: Object orientation is a style, not a feature.10:07
KaoticEvilexactly.. C++ is OO... or at least can be partially OO10:07
KaoticEvil_pvh: for me, its a feature :)10:08
_pvhKaoticEvil: As proof, C++ was originally a set of preprocessor directives.10:08
KaoticEvili know10:08
_pvhKaoticEvil: So yes, C is OO.10:08
_pvhKaoticEvil: If you want to learn an OO language, I would highly recommend Python or Ruby, both of which have QT bindings.10:09
_pvhKaoticEvil: And garbage collection.10:09
KaoticEvil_pvh: ill stick with my Object Pascal for now...10:09
KaoticEvilit suits me fine :)10:09
_pvhKaoticEvil: I believe OP has garbage collection as well.10:09
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_pvhKaoticEvil: Can you do QT in OP?10:11
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KaoticEvil_pvh: no clue.. ive not done any development on linux as of yet...10:12
KaoticEvilonly on windows, with Delphi10:12
_pvhKaoticEvil: Fair enough. If you ever feel like trying ruby, make sure to google "chunky bacon". Why's Poignant Guide is my favorite programming guide I've ever found.10:14
KaoticEvili had wanted to get Kylix... borland's "port" of delphi...10:14
KaoticEvilbut they no longer have a free version available :(10:14
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NoTechhi there Kubuntu ppl!!! :)10:23
NoTechcould someone help me? plz? i have installed Kubuntu 5.04 2 months ago,i am new to linux,how can i update to 5.10 without loose all my progs?10:24
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_pvhNoTech: The upgrade guides out there will work fine.10:25
_pvhNoTech: You just change your repositories and run a dist-upgrade. All will be well.10:25
NoTechsorry,where i can find a guide?10:25
NoTechhow can i change repositories? then what? apt-get dist upgrade?10:26
ubotuThe guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade10:26
naliothNoTech: there you go10:26
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NoTechahh..the guide talks about ubuntu,i presume the procedure is the same as kubuntu?10:27
smonkeyHoly ... crud ... , KDE is slow with the Composition extension.10:27
naliothit is the same10:27
rendihello can help why my eth0 is always disable when i'm start my kubuntu10:27
smonkeyNoTech: Should be. Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with a K.10:28
NoTechthank u! ure a great channel!10:28
rendismonkey can help me10:29
smonkeyForgive me for being out of touch, but when did this upgrade happen?10:29
smonkeyrendi: I can try.10:29
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rendimy eth0 is always disabel when i'm start my kubuntu10:30
rendiand i must enable manualy 10:30
smonkeyrendi: Hold on I'm looking for a particular file.10:30
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smonkeyrendi: Sorry this is taking a minute. I'm not too familiar with Ubuntu yet.10:31
rendiohh great10:32
gerbmanrendi, i think the file you might want to look at is /etc/network/interfaces10:32
rendii'm use Breezy10:32
gerbmanbut i don't change it manually very often, so don't know much about it10:32
drgayushey why cant i save changes to apache/ports.conf10:32
smonkeyrendi: try editing /etc/networking/interfaces10:32
naliothsmonkey: oct 1410:33
gerbmandrgayus, do you have the permissions to change it?10:33
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rendismonkey i'm open it and now10:34
drgayusuhm...do i need to add myself to the root usergroup?10:34
smonkeyrendi: Do you need to use DNS on the network?10:34
smonkeyrendi: Err...10:34
smonkeyrendi: DHCP?10:34
gerbmandrgayus, you can just use 'sudo gedit <file>' from the command line10:34
gerbmanor any other editor instead of gedit10:35
drgayusgerbman: thx10:35
gerbmanno problem10:35
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rendimy dns is 202.11.22 bla blas10:36
drgayusoh: you can right-click on file > actions > edit as root :)10:36
gerbmanoh ok...i just try to stay away from my mouse ;)10:37
njki have a network question, too. gaim won't connect, and i can't telnet to nethack.alt.org. what should i check?10:37
smonkeyrendi: Sorry, I hadto answer the phone. Try adding/changing the line for eth0 so that it reads "iface eth0 inet dhcp"10:37
rendibut i'm not use dhcp10:38
rendii'm use static10:38
gerbmannjk, can you paste the output of 'ifconfig' into a paste bin at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ and send a link back?10:38
smonkeyrendi: Actually, you need  the word 'auto' in there some where.10:38
njktelnet says: Trying  "Network is unreachable"10:38
njkgerbman, i'll do that, thanks10:38
rendiic smonkey but in where ?10:39
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rendiin first line i see "auto lo"10:39
smonkeyrendi:Just found that line. You need a seperate line that says 'auto eth0'10:39
chxhow could I make hdparm settings stick? I needed to switch on dma on my DVD (you can't imagine the jerkiness without it) but I'd not like to switch it on every 2-3months when I reboot :)10:40
njkgerbman, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/446110:40
rendiahh ic10:40
rendii'm restart now 10:40
smonkeyrendi: It should work for you.10:41
rendii'm still restart now and wait that happen10:41
gerbmannjk, hmm...looks good...can you ping nethack.alt.org?10:42
gerbmanchx, check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84694&highlight=enabling+dma10:42
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njkgerbman, after pinging nethack.alt.org i can connect! thanks for your help i guess i just have to do more experimenting10:44
njkgaim still won't connect, though10:44
gerbmannjk, if you can browse the net then i'm kinda stumped there10:45
rendigreat !!! it works10:45
rendithanks all c ya10:45
njkgerbman, ok, maybe i'll try reinstalling gaim10:45
smonkeyrendi: No problem.10:45
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gerbmannjk, alright10:46
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gigcs want add package on Ubuntu cd.I try make 10:49
gigcsand i test recomplie package ubuntu-keyring.gpg sign key not able.10:49
gigcsbut i build is iso and write into cd.And i test install into10:49
gigcsharddisk.But appear error.Is Apt Step fail.So I doubt ubuntu-keyring10:49
gigcsand my key at create. Please advise or document at tutorial add10:49
gigcspackage on ubuntu cd.10:49
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chxoh there is a hdparm.conf?10:50
chxgreat. thanks.10:50
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smonkeyCan any one answer an X question for me?10:54
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mornfalldrgayus: they?10:56
naliothsmonkey: if you ask one10:56
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mornfalldrgayus: also, motivation for the feature?10:57
mornfalldrgayus: anyhow, if you have interest in it, please report on bugs.kde.org, or it *will* be forgotten10:58
smonkeyTe man page for the kbd driver doesn't say that it can not do multiple instances.10:58
smonkeySo presumably, if I hadd another keyboard and pointer I can run a multi-user workstation?10:58
smonkeyOf course I am talking about a multi-headed system.10:59
smonkeyWow, that caem out wrong.11:00
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KaoticEvilsmonkey: are you asking about running 2 (or more) keyboard/mouse combinations on a single system?11:00
smonkeyIf I added a second keybaord, what device would it show up as, and then would I be able to run two separaate X servers.11:00
KaoticEvilive never heard of anyone wanting to do such a thing...11:01
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smonkeyI'm assuming most people just forward X over ssh, but I don't have another computer to use.11:03
glitchha ha aha11:04
glitchI think that's the most acronyms that I've ever used in a sentence11:04
smonkeyIf I don't make sense just blame it on me being out of coffee.11:04
smonkeyAt 5am,11:04
glitchheya smonk11:05
glitch you're an EST'er too?11:05
glitchEastern Standard Tribe11:05
glitchI'm a forwarding junkie11:05
gigcs5.00 pm11:05
glitchwhat'cha trying to do?11:05
gigcsi have question11:05
glitchlol - gigcs, we're an exact half-day out of sync?11:05
smonkeyTrying to write an essay on Descartes Ontological proof of God.11:05
smonkeyIt's not going to well... Linux keeps distracting me.11:06
gigcsI want add package on  ubntu cd .11:06
glitchtwo possibilities11:07
glitch1 11:07
smonkeyNow thats strange... If I configure X to use my two monitors as separate screens I get two taskbars.11:07
glitchyou want ot instal software from the ubunto CD11:08
glitch2 11:08
glitchyou want to add software TO the ubuntu cd11:08
glitchthe 2nd one is quite a bit more challenging11:08
glitchsmonkey: did you enable xinerama in xorg.conf?11:09
gigcshttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo 11:09
glitchI'm looking to do dual screen soon and I'm curious about that that works too11:09
gigcsi don't ubuntu-keyring11:09
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gigcsuse gpg sign11:10
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glitchare you doing a new preseed file, or adding + removing stuff and creating your own derivative distro?11:11
gigcs no edit preseed file11:12
KaoticEvilthis DEB is broken! :(11:12
glitchheya KE11:12
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KaoticEvilhey glitch :) (wow.. no one calls me KE anymore lol)11:13
gigcsyea , test and install .11:13
glitchspeaking of broken - anyone else notice that liquidweather is broken on just about every damn distro?11:13
glitchi install superkaramba11:13
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glitchload that theme11:13
glitchand then Pbbbbht11:14
KaoticEvilglitch: i got rc1 working :)11:14
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gigcsyou can explain.11:14
glitchit just comes up as a trasparaent square on top of my desktop for me11:14
glitchso which deb is broken for you>11:15
KaoticEvilglitch: the FreePascal compiler :(11:15
KaoticEvilfreepascal.org :P11:15
KaoticEvilwiat one.. ill get you a full d/l URL11:16
glitchthat's one fast little running cheeta11:16
KaoticEvilheh yeah11:16
KaoticEvili get an error 2 when i dpkg it 11:17
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gigcsNo i don't derivative distro11:17
glitchis that deb based one woody or sarge?11:17
KaoticEvilno clue.. the rest worked fine tho11:18
glitchsorry gigcs, that one was for KaoticEvil 11:18
KaoticEvilhey now... heres one i missed...11:18
KaoticEvila full TAR, with an install script...11:18
glitchthat sounds like a better bet, at least if you have the devel packages installed11:19
KaoticEviloh hey now.. 11:20
KaoticEviladept says its installed11:20
glitchgigcs: I'm a linux-o-phile, but new to the debian/lubunto world11:20
glitchso mastering a kubuntu CD is new to me, and it looks a bit complicated11:20
KaoticEvilwell, lets try it then :)11:21
glitchI'm the typo king tonight11:21
KaoticEvilKDevelop is sweet :D11:21
glitchapt-get install deb11:21
KaoticEvilheh sudo dpkg -i <deb> ;)11:22
smonkeyKdevelop may be sweet, but vim will never die.11:22
KaoticEvilsmonkey: try vim for OOP ;)11:22
glitchfor some reason11:22
gigcsi want add package on CD .11:22
KaoticEviland ill see you in 20 years when youve written the UI for a simple app :P11:22
glitchI love loving the bastard stepchild of the great text editors11:22
smonkeyKaoticEvil: I did Java in vim for a couple years. It doesn't get a whole lot more OOPy than Java.11:23
gigcsPlease explain 11:24
KaoticEvilsmonkey: true that.... also dont get much shittier than java ;) :P11:24
smonkeyA console is all my users need for a UI.11:24
glitchspoken like a true emacs fan11:24
glitchwhich was it11:24
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KaoticEvili take that back... any lang with "Visual" in front of it, ot .net or # after it ;)...VB, VC++, C3, VB.net...11:25
smonkeyI don't use emacs. I want to avoid arthritis.11:25
glitchi get the rediculously complex and hard to learn text editors mixed up11:25
robotgeeksmonkey: get a foot pedal..that apparently helps11:25
smonkeyI'm still not using emacs.11:25
KaoticEvilill stick to RAD IDE's :)11:25
smonkeyI'd rather reinstall Windows and program ins MS Word.11:25
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glitchI'm just kidding, I've got a soft spot for vim, but I find that nano is just too easy to ignore for 99% of what i do11:26
KaoticEvilsmonkey: ever use debug or edlin? ;)11:26
smonkeyThat puts using emacs somewhere below being homeless.11:26
KaoticEviledlin gave you one line at a time o_o11:27
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smonkeyI'm not that masocistic. Yet.11:27
KaoticEvilsmonkey: it was all we had for a while ;)11:27
RaRecan anyone help me? it's about enemy-territory, I cant run it.. here's the error log http://pastebin.com/42756711:27
smonkeyI did try ed once though.11:27
KaoticEvilsmonkey: edlin is an oooooooooooold ms-dos app ;)11:28
gigcsgpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available11:28
smonkeyOh, edlin....11:28
gigcsI don't understand11:28
smonkeyI thiught you meant visuals twin,.11:28
KaoticEviloh hell no11:28
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naliothgigcs: have you made YOURself a gpg key?11:29
naliothgigcs: then you should be able to clearsign things11:29
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smonkeyAhh! What the heck? I know Konqueror had to do something with mouse buttons 6 an d 7, butI never thought it would use them for horizontal scroll!11:31
smonkeyWho wahnts horizontal scroll?11:31
KaoticEvil6 and 7?11:31
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gigcsI  gpg clearsign ??? 11:31
KaoticEvildamn.. most ive ever had was 4... plus the wheel...11:31
smonkeyI have one of those fancy mice.11:31
smonkeya scroll mouse with two extra buttons.11:32
KaoticEvilsmonkey: i did too ;) MS Trackball Explorer.. LOVE that trackball11:32
KaoticEvilill have me another one, eventually11:32
smonkeyKaoticEvil: Track balls are so 90's.11:32
gigcswhat does it mean.11:32
KaoticEvilsmonkey: oh?11:32
KaoticEvilsmonkey: not for gaming ;)11:33
gigcs<nalioth> What does it mean.11:33
smonkeyKaoticEvil: Wel, the last person I saw using one was a middle school tracher.11:33
KaoticEvilsmonkey: byte me :P11:33
KaoticEvilno, MEGAbyte me :P11:33
robotgeeksmonkey: no, trackballs are nice11:33
KaoticEvilthnak you, robotgeek :)11:33
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KaoticEvilooooooooo.... kinky >:)11:34
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smonkeyI can see how wyou might like them, butI prefer a mouse.11:34
naliothgigcs: in your terminal, type gpg --help11:34
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KaoticEvilsmonkey: mice are so.... 80's :P11:34
robotgeekhmm, slowly going offtopic, i see11:35
naliothyes, direct neural interfaces are so much more convenient11:35
KaoticEvillol nalioth 11:35
KaoticEvilhey, on the bright side.. the FreePascal compiler package seems to work :)11:36
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smonkeyIsn't the keyboard a little 70's for you?11:37
smonkeyOr is that 60's?11:37
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smonkeyIs there any way to change a mouse buttons function in KDE, short of reompilation?11:39
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KaoticEvilsmonkey: you should be able to do it in your xorg.conf... i did11:40
smonkeyI don't  mean remap them, like with xmodmap.11:41
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l3mi just installed kubuntu breezy. it mostly works fine, but when i try to chance a syste setting and get asked for the root password, it won't accept it. i can however su in the console with the same password, so the pw is correct...11:42
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KaoticEvilubotu: tell l3m about sudo11:42
KaoticEvill3m: read what ubotu just told you :)11:43
smonkeyl3m: edit the sudoers file11:43
l3mi do have su enabled11:43
l3mdunno why11:43
l3mand the user password doesn't work either11:43
kinfoi don't understand.11:44
l3mi enter konsole, type "su" and the root pw and i'm root11:45
l3mnothing disabled there?11:45
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smonkeyThe dialog that you are talking about in X isn't running su, it is runing sudo.11:46
l3mand i think EITHER the root password or the user password should allow me to change things like network settings? but neither pw works, even though both pw work when i try the console11:46
naliothsu should not be used 11:46
l3mor do i have to use a third pw???11:46
naliothl3m: kubuntu has a 'disabled' root account for a reason11:46
smonkeyl3m: edit the file /etc/sudoers11:47
l3mok then how can i set my wireless networking? neither user nor root pw allow me access? 11:47
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KaoticEvilok, well.. thats a problem.11:47
smonkeyl3m: As far as I know, by default users are not allowed to do anything via sudo.11:48
spiraldoes anyone have news about the other kde 3.5rc1 packages ?11:48
smonkeyspiral: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php11:49
l3mand if i follow the advice on the wiki to set my access rights using system menu i get asked the fucking pw again? where neither user nor root pw work? 11:49
spiralsmonkey: yeah, but there is only the base... wgat about the other packages ?11:49
smonkeyI dunno.11:49
uboturumour has it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf11:52
naliothl3m: using a root account may break your kubuntu. use sudo or kdesu11:52
l3mnalioth i just want to use the system settings menu11:53
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l3mi installed the system using kubuntu defaults11:54
naliothl3m: i believe there is a bug in that program11:54
l3mand this helps me how?11:54
naliothl3m: have you visited kubuntu.org, i believe there are upgraded (fixed) pkgs there11:55
l3mwhy? aren't they in apt-get?11:56
naliothl3m: i'm just passing on info, idk why they are where they are11:57
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eedgehelp! I've been banned from #ubuntu, and I have absolutely no idea why11:59
puckmandid you install kde?12:00
smonkeyholy crud. I did an apt-src install konqueror. It is going to take 4 hours.12:00
eedgeIs there anyone I can contact about my banning in #ubuntu.12:02
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naliotheedge: what is the trouble?12:10
naliotheedge: were you being nasty?12:11
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eedgenalioth, I wasn't being nasty =P 100% sure of it.12:17
naliotheedge: any other reason you'd be banned?12:18
eedgeI don't think so... Perhaps because I connect through my local network proxy?12:18
eedgebut, actually, you can't even see that from the outside... because its not open to the internet.12:19
eedgeso, no.12:19
naliotheedge: you should be welcome in #ubuntu now12:19
eedgehmm, * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).12:20
eedgeor not :)12:20
naliothlemme try again12:20
eedgeok, thanks.12:21
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naliothtry now12:21
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[Surge] Is there a way to do a dist upgrade without installing nearly every package available?12:42
[Surge] Unless I'm mistaken my dist upgrade to Breezy seems to be installing a lot of stuff that I didn't have before and don't need.12:43
nalioth[Surge] : that would not be a dist upgrade12:43
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[Surge] Ummm ... I don't mind it updating installed packages but it shouldn't install packages that were not installed before.12:44
incubiithat depends if package A was broken down into multiple packages12:46
nalioth[Surge] : if you dont have "kubuntu-desktop" isntalled, it should only upgrade what you have12:46
naliothbut if you dont have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed, things may go awry12:46
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[Surge] I have that installed. Maybe it's just my imagination but I see lots of package names I don't recognise :)12:48
nalioth[Surge] : you have way more pkgs installed then you've personally installed12:49
KaoticEvilnalioth:  can you install from the livecd?12:49
naliothKaoticEvil: you can not12:49
KaoticEvilhad a friend askin me12:50
naliothKaoticEvil: future versions of ubuntu will be live/install but not currently12:51
KaoticEvilthat will be sweet :)12:51
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incubiijust take the knoppix installer12:53
incubiiand tweak a lil12:53
KaoticEvilhey nalioth... heres a question... when i copy something.. instead of showing me the copy progress window, it shows me the job window.. wtf did i do?12:53
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naliothKaoticEvil: noclue12:53
KaoticEvildamn.. ok12:53
KaoticEvilsleep time...12:54
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gibarianhi everyone...are here people who've managed to get the composite engine to work inkde 3.4?01:10
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buzis it possible that vmware doesnt work with the 2.6.12-k7 kernel? following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=354913&highlight=vmware gives all sort of weirdness when the module is loaded...01:31
little_bobbuz: i am using vmware workstation 5 on kubuntu 5.10. i did follow the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingVMWare?action=show&redirect=VmWare+guide%3A+How+to+install+VMware+in+Breezy without problems.01:33
buzi find " "1GB Low Memory Support" should not be active for systems with more than 1GB RAM (i got 1.5) could it be that?01:33
buzmaybe build my own kernel?01:34
little_bobbuz: i use the standard kernel 2.6.12-9 01:34
buzmhh maybe switch to that one for a test01:34
buzi can build the module just fine but after loading it weird stuff (like sudo hanging indefinitely and vwmare not working at all) happens01:34
little_bobbuz: do not forget to get the sources, headers and rebuild the vmware modules01:35
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buzyeah sure ;)01:35
buzi had it working with a breezy preview, i know that much01:35
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buzcant remember the specific kernel i used there, though01:35
buz(also not quite sure what box it was on back then ;)01:36
little_bobbuz: k. it is first time i use vmware with kubuntu but the instructions i mentioned were good. 01:36
buzyeah i followed them last time01:36
buzthe g++ bit was were i initially failed01:36
buzok i'll try linux-image-2.6.12-9-68601:37
little_bobbuz: yes this is a bit tricky and unfair for users new to linux01:37
buznot sure if the k7 branch actually helps much ;)01:37
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Zedmanhello. i have a brandnew 19 '' monitor, which can show 1600 * 1200 pix, but after many "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" kde don't want to use the 1600*1200 pix. what can i do? 01:37
buzi'm not that new ;)01:37
little_bobbuz: i use ...-38601:37
buz-386 cant use more than 900mb ram01:37
buzthat sucks01:37
buznot that i actually need the 1.5gb but i had them laying around so i installed them :)01:38
naliothZedman: during your recofigure, deselect the resolutions you DONT want01:38
little_bobbuz: aha. i wonder why my machine with 2gb ram is swapping when i start a vm ...01:38
buzlook at the amount of memory top shows you01:38
Zedmannalioth: I did that already01:38
little_bobbuz: can i switch kernel just with adept or do i have to consider much more?01:38
buz386 kernel only supports 9XXmb i think01:38
naliothZedman: then choose the VESA driver01:38
little_bobbuz: fully recognize my ram01:38
buzyou will have to rebuild vmware, that's for sure01:38
little_bobbuz: jo :-)01:38
buzmaybe not the 386 then?01:39
robotgeeki think the limitation is 2^32 or something, 01:39
Zedmannallioth: and what about my 3d acceleration with my nvidia card?01:39
little_bobbuz: when i do a "top" i see my whole ram01:39
buzrobotgeek: that is for 32bit, but the 386 is a weird critter01:39
buznot fully 32bit01:40
buzi actually have an amd64 cpu here but i cant be bothered to run ubuntux6401:40
robotgeekbuz: grr, i am from the ppc world. dunno wth the difference is01:40
buzit's just too much trouble01:40
buzrobotgeek: ubuntuppc on a mac?01:40
little_bobbuz: i use a 630 intel p4 with 3ghz01:40
robotgeekbuz: yeah, powerbook01:41
Zedmannalioth: and what about my 3d acceleration with my nvidia card?01:41
naliothZedman: apparently your nvidia drivers dont want to play well with you01:41
buzok now a reboot ;)01:41
Zedmannalioth: i did the ubuntu typical "nvidia-glx-config enable"01:41
naliothZedman: i'm really not up on video things, just offered the vesa suggestion to reach your desired rez01:42
Zedmannalioth: ok thx,,, bye01:42
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buzmhh trouble happens with the new kernel as well01:48
buzfor example, sudo hangs01:49
ayWhat kind of bug in konsole causes the extra "graphics" at the left right of the console when using the default font?01:49
buzand vmware complains01:49
buzvmware is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured01:49
buzfor this system. To (re-)configure it, invoke the following command:01:49
buzthis sucks01:49
little_bobbuz: hm ...01:50
little_bobbuz: you follow all from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingVMWare?action=show&redirect=VmWare+guide%3A+How+to+install+VMware+in+Breezy?01:50
little_bobbuz: last "?" is from me :-)01:51
buzdidnt use vmware-any-any01:51
buzthe last comment there happens for me01:52
buzbut redownloading it doesnt help01:52
buzmhh another reboot is in order i think01:53
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musikwhere are presets in amarok??01:55
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robotgeekmusik: tools -> equaliser01:56
ayHm. Anyone else seeing video-bugs in konsole using the default kubuntu font? Fixes itself when you put something over the window and it has to redraw.01:57
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musikrobotgeek: in equaliser.......where?01:58
robotgeekmusik: it has all presets -> rock, party etc?01:59
musikrobotgeek: in equaliser window....i see nothing but those equalisers.....01:59
ayI have two screenshots descibing it here: http://audun.ytterdal.net/screen1.png and screen2.png .. Screenshot two contains the "video-bugs" after a few enter-presses01:59
ayUsing a none-truetype font fixes it.02:00
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atidemhello people02:06
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buzlittle_bob: vmware 5.5 beta2 comes with a precompiled breezy module02:12
buzlets see if that works02:12
buzyeah that works perfectly02:13
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little_bobbuz: aha so vmware supports (k)ubuntu a bit more then. :-)02:30
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juanjohola buenas02:35
juanjome podeis ayudar please????????????02:35
juanjosoy nuevo en este mundo de ubuntu y voy algo perdido!02:35
atidemjuanjo: go to ubuntu-es02:35
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darrochfamilywhere are the cups & printer configuration files stored?02:41
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atidemin //etc//cups02:43
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darrochfamilymy printer doesn't work in ubuntu but it does in knoppix, would copying knoppix's conf files into ubuntu fix that?02:45
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atidemre-configure it02:46
McScruffHi, is there anything like wine that has a higher windows compatibility (i dont mind buying).  I need to run certain windows programs but running a Virtual Machine Slows my pc down alot02:46
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aeon17xMcScruff: For what purpose?02:47
darrochfamilyatidem, ok thanks :)02:47
atidemMcScruff: try xen02:48
McScruffdoes Xen run a whole OS of just programs?02:48
McScruffaeon17X, things like partypoker, and vb apps02:48
atidemno no an os02:49
atidembut not window xp for now02:49
McScruffi have vmware at the moment for that :P02:49
atidemthe project is stalled02:49
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McScruffi was just after something that ran apps and not the whole os02:49
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NoTechhey ppl02:50
McScrufflike wine 02:50
darrochfamilyMcScruff, crossover office is good at runnung Microsoft Word (I've heard)02:51
NoTechwhen i write apt-get install 'x' it finds nothing,what sources i need to add?02:51
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NoTechwhere i can find tuxracer with apt-get?02:51
atidemwhat package are you searching?02:51
McScruffis win4lin a full Virtuial machine too or can that be used liek wine?02:52
darrochfamilyNoTech, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list02:52
atidemNoTech: universe02:52
darrochfamilyNoTech, uncomment the sources that you want to add02:52
NoTechthank you,but how do i find what sources i need to add?02:52
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atidemread comments in file02:52
NoTechi googled 2 hours and didnt find what source to add!02:53
McScruffsudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list then uncomment them02:53
darrochfamilyNoTech, it should already be there just commented out02:53
NoTechuncomment all the sources there?02:53
McScruffthe universe one02:53
darrochfamilyyeah, or just universe if thbat's all you want02:53
naliothubotu: tell NoTech about sources02:53
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NoTechi done this but received an error.. wil retry02:53
McScruffthen save and do apt-get update02:53
rcs_hello everyone! is there a sources.list for amd dual core 64 bits cpu? i'm having problems when installing programs with apt...02:54
NoTechthanx..another BIG question..02:54
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naliothrcs_: same sources.list as everyone else02:55
NoTechi have installed kubuntu 5.10 now when i go to system configuration,and example bluetooth i can't modify nothing02:55
NoTechi presume i need to click on administrative privileges or something like that02:55
rcs_nalioth, i cant install programs like pearpc and acroread... apt said it couldn't find those packages...02:56
NoTechand it asks me a password,i write my psw and then it returns to the previous menu,but again i cant modify nothing02:56
naliothrcs_: there are lots of pkgs that are not available as binaries for amd6402:56
naliothrcs_: join #kubuntu-offtopic and we'll tell you how to overcome that02:56
rcs_thanks nalioth!02:57
NoTechany ideas?02:57
naliothNoTech: it is a known bug, but i'm not sure of the fix 02:57
naliothNoTech: visit kubuntu.org and nose around02:57
NoTechthis means that i can't modify nothing in kde!02:58
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naliothNoTech: kkathman knows the fix, and i'm sure some of these lurkers know03:01
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NoTechdo u know where can i find him? o when on irc?03:04
NoTechkkathman korlky? :)03:07
naliothkkathman will be along shortly03:10
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symbian__ma...ho listato sul canale?03:12
symbian__scusate... :-(03:12
symbian__io ho dato il comando list sulla finestra freenode03:13
symbian__cmq...ciao a tutti03:13
naliothsymbian__: que idioma?03:14
symbian__ti piace?03:14
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bobesponjanalioth: italiano03:16
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naliothpor italiano, vaya de el #ubuntu-it o #kubuntu-it03:16
PupenoHow can I run ssh-agent for my whole KDE ?03:16
bobesponjanalioth: this is spannish, not italian you're talking, u realize it's not the same right?03:17
naliothbobesponja: sorry, it's the closest i know to italian03:17
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naliothi'm just trying to be helpful03:17
bobesponjanalioth: i know, no problem :)03:18
naliothwhat little italian i spoke is long gone03:18
atidemnalioth: what's the problem?03:20
naliothatidem: my language skills are limited03:21
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atidemspanish is not the same of italian language03:21
atidemit is soo different03:21
naliothbut it is closer than english03:23
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atidemsame radix: the latin03:25
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l3mit seems when installing kubuntu in expert mode, sudoers is not setup correctly and therefore one cannot access systemsettings... that means one has to do the "hoary"-way fix on the wiki, not the "breezer" one, even if on breezer03:40
naliothl3m: what 'system settings' are you wanting to use?03:42
l3mi fixed it .. just wanted to try out the graphical wireless setup tools 03:42
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l3mhow can i install the kde3.5 rc?03:47
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ubotu[kde3.5]  KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf03:47
pc22is openoffice really this heavy?03:48
naliothpc22: it is THIS heavy03:48
pc22my comp always stall03:48
naliothuse abiword instead03:48
pc22using openoffice only03:48
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ggodinhi all, I just installed another linux on a second partition and am trying to reconfigure that grub.conf to start my Kubuntu too.  Would anyone have a bit of insight into that^03:50
ggodinoops.. ?03:50
pc22nalioth, im using calc cos all of my spreadsheets were saved using calc203:51
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ubotul3m: I don't know, could you explain it?03:59
uboturumour has it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf03:59
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l3mis there a kubuntu-specific bts?04:01
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l3mbug tracking system04:03
l3mbugzilla 04:03
l3mor something like that04:03
l3me.g. debian.org/bugs 04:04
l3mjust for kubuntu04:04
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naliothbugzilla.ubuntu.com covers x/k/edu/server/ubuntu04:06
l3myeah it's about the installer 04:07
l3msince root is (as i have found out) deprecated, but during installation i was asked for a root pw 04:07
l3mwithout any mention of "don't use root"04:07
l3mwhich is not very consistent04:07
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murray__anyone any idea why /etc/acpi/sleep.sh puts machine to sleep in seconds, but takes 90sec+ to resume?04:11
naliothsleep is screwed in ubuntu04:12
murray__and/or why hibernate.sh immediately resumes (aka, 15 secs after calling, I'm back at the desktop)04:12
murray__nalioth: anything more specific?  it's working, just slow04:13
l3msleep is screwed in linux ;(04:13
naliothsleep and associated things have always been wonky in ubuntu04:13
naliothl3m: not linux, just ubuntu04:13
naliothl3m: yellowdog had my ibook sleeping and waking perfect04:13
l3mnalioth: well in debian too04:14
brodelSleep has never worked right in any machine I've ever used. Linux or windows04:14
l3mnalioth: yeah sleep in ppc works fine on most distris04:14
l3mbut in x8604:14
naliothnot ubuntu, it doesnt04:14
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naliothsleep is screwed in ubuntu for eveyone (except a lucky few)04:14
murray__so not even worth trying to recompile kernel with latest suspend2 stuff?04:14
naliothnot worth it to me, i just have my display power off after a few minutes04:15
l3mmurray__: swsusp2 is for hibernate,... afaik sleep ( acpi s3 ) is independent of that?04:15
brodelwhat does everyone here use as an e-mail client? I am looking for something with a built in calendar (I use a lot of reminders because I'm forgetful)04:15
murray__so what about hibernate shuting down and immediately starting up again .... "just borked in ubuntu?"04:15
l3mmurray__: it's definitely possible to get hibernate working on debian so it should be possible in ubuntu too 04:15
l3mmurray__: but you'll probably need to google for some solutions and try what works for you04:16
l3mhibernate is usually easier than sleep s3 to work right04:16
murray__l3m> yeah, not sure if I should be happy sleep is working but hibernate ain't ;)04:16
l3mhibernate worked here ( sony vaio pcg-tr5mp ) out of the box, sleep is still fux0rd ;(04:16
l3mwell i'd happily switch a working sleep for my working hibernate 04:17
murray__while I'm on the subject, what's the recommend front end to cpu stepping, fan control etc?04:17
l3mon demand cpu governor04:18
l3min kernel04:18
l3mother than that, cpufreqd is ok 04:19
brodelI am trying to change my network settings, it says I need to click the administrator mode button.. but I don't see that button because the window is so big..04:20
l3mbrodel: click ALT and drag the window around04:20
l3malt+leftclick = move 04:20
l3malt+rightclick = resize04:20
brodelthat worked :)04:21
brodelam I going to run into that a lot though? That kind of sucks. to have to do that :(04:21
l3mi hate it when people hardcore window sizes04:21
l3mi hope they fix it soon04:21
l3mit's a pain on 1280x768 ;(04:22
brodelI am on my laptop so I can't change my res04:22
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brodelI just switched from gnome to kde.. I hope I don't run into that a lot.04:22
brodelthanks for the tip though that workaround is what I needed :)04:22
l3mbrodel: looks like they didn't use qt-designer but hardcoded stuff ;(04:22
l3mbrodel: well it's kubuntu specific ( i'm on kubuntu since today ) - never had such problems in debian where i also used kde 04:23
brodelha.. settings were already set like I wanted anyway04:23
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brodelI just downloaded the kubuntu iso and installed it like 20 minutes ago04:23
brodelwas using ubuntu04:23
l3mi did like .. 10 hours ago ;)04:23
brodelKDE so far is so much better. The whole look of it just rocks04:24
naliothvolker: wie gehts?04:24
brodelso, what does everyone here use for e-mail? I was using evolution, but I guess that was a gnome thing.04:25
naliothbrodel: i use thunderbird cuz evo irritated me04:25
libbenkmail works04:25
brodelForgot to mention I want a built in calendar for reminders :)04:26
l3mi use kmail04:26
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brodelkmail wouldn't let me keep messages on my pop server04:26
l3mbrodel: of course it does04:26
l3myou just have to click [x]  Keep fetched messages on Server 04:26
l3min the account setup04:26
l3mbrodel: kmail is the mail program, it's also integrated into kontact, which is the full suite with calendar and other pim stuff04:27
brodelIt didn't have a setting for how long to keep the mail 04:27
brodeland then I did the "check to see what the server supports" thing and got "The server does not seem to support unique message numbers, but this is a requirement for leaving messages on the server; therefore, this option has been disabled."04:28
brodelI have a cheap dial up ISP for accessing the net from work.04:28
l3mhm dunno i got this message to once but i just ignored in and it kept the msgs on the server...04:29
brodelwell is there a setting for how long to keep it before it deletes it?04:29
brodelI like to keep em on the server for about a week or so in case I need to access it via one of my other PCs04:30
l3mhmm not by default afaik but you could probably make a filter which deletes messages which are too old04:30
l3mi only use pop for mailinglists now, and imap for "real" mail 04:31
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brodelyeah. I agree04:33
brodelLast I checked they didn't have IMAP.. I called and they said it was coming.04:33
brodelI should check that.04:33
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brodelbah.. don't see anything about IMAP on their site still. I guess they still don't have it.04:37
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brodelI don't think gmail supports IMAP either.. so I'm stuck with pop04:37
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Flosoftis there any admin of kubuntu here?04:38
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Flosoftyeah well someone of the kubuntu.org team04:40
naliothFlosoft: admin in what manner?04:40
RiddellFlosoft: hi04:41
Riddellthat'll be me04:41
FlosoftI wanted to mirror the Kubuntu X86 image04:41
Flosoftit would be on a 20Gbit/s Server in Germany04:42
RiddellFlosoft: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view04:43
RiddellFlosoft: or just runing a torrent on all the file would be very cool04:43
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Flosoftnah ... no need for torrent here ... 2 network cards and unlimited traffic04:43
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RiddellFlosoft: it would help other people torrenting is my point04:45
RiddellFlosoft: but either way is good04:45
Flosoftok ... I am copying the X86 DVD image04:46
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naliothFlosoft: should be able to torrent and serve the files04:46
Flosoftbut I currently don't run a Torrent Server :S04:47
Myk3how do i get around the backports prob for 5.2?04:47
Myk3i mean 5.0404:47
RiddellFlosoft: apt-get install bittorrent :)04:47
RiddellMyk3: what's the problem?04:47
Flosoftmy server is SuSE Linux ....04:47
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Myk3im trying to get dvd playback04:47
Myk3and i dled libdvdcss 04:48
Myk3and then tried to install it and it says its finished04:48
Myk3and it still will not play04:48
Myk3any thoughts?04:48
Myk3i didnt install it useing apt-get cause the backports wasnt working04:49
Myk3so i ahd to download it04:49
naliothMyk3: did you read waht ubotu sent you?04:49
Myk3how do i get around the backports04:50
Myk3is there othere?04:50
naliothMyk3: to my knowledge, there aren't any backports yet04:53
Myk3what about the new one04:53
Myk3wnhat is a repo?04:54
libbencan we use ubuntus backports?04:55
libbensaw this one earlier http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/13704:55
libbensaw =)04:55
naliothlibben: there are no breezy backports yet04:56
libbennalioth: whats the url talking bout?04:58
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naliothlibben: they're open, just not anything in them yet04:59
Flosoftin screen ... how can I open a new window?05:01
Myk3what about the backports for hoary05:01
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Myk3cause thats what im still useing05:01
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jbrueggenicht schlecht das neue kubuntu05:05
ubotuBitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe05:06
jbrueggenot bad the new kubuntu05:06
LjLwell, i didn't try the old one, but certainly i'm not finding breezy bad at all05:06
brodelYep :)05:07
LjLhi brodel, how's you kde05:07
brodelI reinstalled about an hour or so ago hehe05:07
LjLfrom the kubuntu cd?05:07
jbrueggeits a bit slow in vmware... ^^^05:07
brodeldownloaded a torrent and let it run overnight05:07
brodelbut it was done in like 30 mins hehe05:07
LjLbrodel: well, at least you have a clean install without the gnome stuff handing around now05:07
brodelthat's what was getting on my nerves05:08
LjLjbruegge: don't have some hd or partition to do a real install?05:08
brodelI didn't know what I was supposed to have and what I wasn't.05:08
LjLbrodel: yeah, i must say that i did the same, in the end05:08
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brodeldoes KDE have anything like synaptic though? I am already missing that.05:08
LjLbrodel: not as advanced05:08
naliothbrodel: adept05:08
LjLbrodel: but you have Adept, Kynaptic or KPackage05:09
bla|patrickubuntu becomes more weired each day05:09
LjLand maybe others05:09
bla|patrickhelp :(05:09
LjLbla|patrick: what's the problem?05:09
bla|patrickrepo's ati driver dont support widescreen05:09
naliothbrodel: dont use kynaptic or kpackage (esp kpackage)05:09
bla|patrickeverytime i boot linux i have to reconfigure xserver05:09
brodeldamn.. just realized I gotta get that console thing you told me about.05:09
bla|patrickand reconfigure the network05:09
LjLnalioth: are they seriously scandisked up?05:09
bla|patrickto get with pppoe into the internet05:09
bla|patrickno settings are stored05:09
LjLbrodel: yakuake?05:10
brodelyeah, that's it05:10
bla|patrickin kde no drives are mounted05:10
bla|patrickin gnome i cant access anything05:10
bla|patrickthis suxx05:10
naliothLjL: kpackage is horrble, ecch!05:10
bla|patricki wonder whats wrong here05:10
brodelok. I'll try adept05:10
brodeldo I already have it?05:10
bla|patrickits even worse than the wrecked upgrade from hoary to breezy05:10
LjLbrodel: yeah you should05:10
LjLbrodel: but please consider my advice: use aptitude for installing things05:11
naliothLjL: kpackage is a frontend to install rpms, slack tgz's, and debs (it doesnt work too well)05:11
naliothbrodel: adept should be standard on breezy05:11
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LjLbrodel: you can use adept or whatever to browse around (though i usually just play with apt-cache), but aptitude just saves you from a lot of manual cleaning-up when you want to remove something05:11
brodelIt is. Just found it. I'm used to seeing the program name instead of the description of it and then the program name in paranthesis05:11
thecondemnedxxI am having a device problem which would probably be an easy one for most of you in here.05:11
LjLnalioth: can't say, i've tried all of the package managers, but just too briefly to have an opinion... as i said, i use aptitude, cause i know i won't have any surprises05:12
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bla|patrickdoes someone have some precompiled 8.19.10 drivers for me?05:13
thecondemnedxxIts my wireless card.  I cant get kwifimanager to pick up a signal.  So I try iwconfig and it shows my other nic's but not my wireless card.  Come to find out,  my wireless card doesn't have a device name like eth0 or wlan005:13
LjLby the way, can anybody give me some hints about locales and charsets? i'm getting wrong accents in KNode (and perhaps elsewhere). every accented letter shows as two empty characters (i.e. two boxes)05:13
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brodelI type yakuake in adept and it gives me nothing?05:14
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thecondemnedxxit mentions it in a device list, but with no device name05:14
LjLbrodel: is universe enabled?05:14
brodelthat's right.. I reinstalled... duh05:15
brodelgot the universe info handy?05:15
bla|patrickbtw. whats the difference of "media" and "mnt"05:15
djk_hi, what does "HD Password is: Locked" mean in a bios?05:15
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bla|patrickdjk_, that u cant change it?05:16
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LjLbla|patrick: i think in ubuntu "mnt" is more meant for custom mounts, like NFS or Samba shares and so on... but i couldn't swear on it05:16
djk_bla|patrick: well, and what are the consequences of a hd password?05:17
bla|patrickthat u cant access that drive?05:17
bla|patricki guess some ibm pcs have that 05:17
bla|patrickand notebooks05:17
oracelI AM GOING TO BE AN UNCLE!!05:17
djk_bla|patrick: well not really since i can go into the OS and do whatever..05:17
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bla|patrickdjk_, then i dont know05:18
djk_oracel: that's gonna cost ;)05:18
oracelhucarez :D05:18
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bla|patrickur harddrive may be not support a password05:18
l3mi'm trying to compile a library which compiles fine on debian but gives me 1000s of linker errors when trying in kubuntu... everything related to the c++ std libraries fail to link05:18
brodelI know one thing, I've never found it so easy to find help with linux before I went to ubuntu. That's one of my favorite things about switching.05:19
djk_bla|patrick: well that's what i'd like to find out :)05:19
LjLl3m: paste the errors on the pastebin please05:19
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bla|patrickwhy do i have to reconfigure xserver each boottime?05:20
thecondemnedxxcongrats oracel05:20
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Tm_Tstrange though05:20
bla|patrickwhy is the pppoeconf not stored05:20
bla|patrickwhy cant i compile ati drivers ^05:20
l3mLjL http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/42784605:21
brodelsweet yakuake is back in action05:21
LjLl3m yes, is that the entire error log? you sure there aren't any files it doesn't find?05:21
l3mhmm it's too big for my konsole buffer...trying again with unlimited buffer05:22
thecondemnedxxHow do I make linux give my wireless card a device name05:22
LjLl3m: can you also give me the URL to the package you're trying to compile, so i can try too?05:23
l3mogre3d www.ogre3d.org 05:23
l3mLjL 1.0.5 05:23
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LjLl3m: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ogre/ogre-linux_osx-v1-0-5.tar.bz2?download ?05:24
l3m^^ a list of dependencies you need to install 05:29
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l3min a nice copy-pasteable apt-get ;)05:29
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Tm_Thullo hussam 05:31
hussamTm_T: hey :)05:32
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BFA|WoRsTeNBoYanybody here that knows something about MRTG ?05:33
l3mLjL and if ./bootstrap complains about automake - removing 1.4 and keeping 1.6 or 1.7 helps05:33
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brodelBFA|WoRsTeNBoY: you setting up your own MRTG?05:34
BFA|WoRsTeNBoYits allready running..05:34
BFA|WoRsTeNBoYi was wondering when the switch to an next level is done, for example, current : 1200 kb/s, why doest he says 12mb/s..05:36
BFA|WoRsTeNBoYi give my data to mrtg in kbyte..05:36
BFA|WoRsTeNBoYand setted kMG[] :,,M,G,T05:36
LjLgeez l3m, i'm sorry but this is out of my reach... i don't even have free space enough on my hd to try it =)05:36
hussamTm_T: long time since I last spotted you here :)05:36
l3mLjL thanks for trying to help! 05:37
brodelhmm.. never done that BFA|WoRsTeNBoY, sorry05:37
BFA|WoRsTeNBoYnp :)05:37
l3mLjL the problem is between autoconf and the std libs05:37
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LjLmaybe, but it's mainly just that i'm out of disk space installing the dependencies, you see! =) also it looks like a really complicated program to compile, i've never seen a program require *multiple* specific versions of automake and stuff like that... :(05:39
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brodelAnyone know of a linux distribution I can install off of floppy? I have a really old laptop I'd like to be able to throw something on. :)05:41
LjLbrodel: debian, if you can connect that old laptop to the internet05:41
manverubrodel: grml should work05:41
naliothbrodel: visit distrowatch.com05:41
brodelCan't.. unless I buy a PCMCIA NIC card05:41
manverubrodel: i managed to install suse on a really old system - it was a bit hard, but they still have boot-floppies for it (as long as you can switch to cd later on)05:43
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brodelNo CD-ROM on it05:43
brodelIt's really old.. hehe05:44
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manveruwasn't there a distro called damn-small-linux? :)05:44
l3mLjL it doesn't require multiple versions just recent ones05:44
brodelyeah, but DSL only booted off of CD-ROM and USB drives afaik05:44
manveruit's all usb-sticks these days...05:45
brodelThis thing has one serial port on it.. and PCMCIA.. that's it.05:45
bla|patrickcrap 05:45
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bla|patricki wonder why05:46
manveruthere are distros for floopies though... but mostly firewalls05:46
bla|patrickbut whatever i try, nothing works05:46
bla|patrickbreezy is buggy :(05:46
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LjLbrodel: well, one thing you could do (not an easy thing) is setup a PPPD server on your main box, put a file server (FTP or something) on it with Debian packages, and install Debian off a floppy on the laptop, using a serial cable to connect it to your main box so that the Debian install can load stuff off your computer05:46
brodelBreezy has worked next to perfect on everything I've put it on.. which is only about five machines, but I never got anything else running this good one ONE machine.05:46
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LjLbrodel: i suppose spending some time looking for a very small linux distro could be easier, tho05:47
manverubrodel: http://estec.net/dnetclinux.en.html05:47
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bla|patrickbrodel: i made a fresh install and its even worse than the hoary-breezy mix i had before this05:48
bla|patrickno sound anymore05:48
bla|patrickno ogl in hardware05:48
bla|patrickproblems using opera05:48
bla|patrickvideocodecs dont work either...05:49
bla|patrickcant even play mpeg105:49
manverufound a lot of them :)05:49
bla|patrickwhat happened to ubuntu :(05:49
brodelthanks :)05:50
bla|patrickok... i'll stop using linxu now... its no use05:50
bla|patricklets see if the time change this...05:50
bla|patrickin a few weeks there may be some bugfixes out05:50
bla|patrickbackports avaible for any stuff out there05:50
bla|patrickand newer ati drivers in the repos... drivers taht work!05:51
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manverubla|patrick: we will see :)05:51
bla|patricki dont expect much, to be honest05:51
manverufor some it work, for others it doesn't05:51
bla|patricki wonder when there will repos that have the latest amarok05:51
bla|patrickhoary was fine05:52
bla|patrickbut breezy is crap - for me!05:52
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manveruif you want all the latest stuff you might be at the wrong place05:52
bla|patrickmanveru, well... at least i expect updates...05:52
bla|patrickamarok is at v1.3.605:52
bla|patrickand in the official repos its at 1.3.105:53
LjL1.3.5 isn't quite old05:53
manveruyeah, the new version is coming out at 27th05:53
manverufor ubuntu05:53
bla|patrickwell... its no use since breezy doesnt notice my onboard sound...05:53
bla|patrickeven hoary got used to it :(05:53
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bla|patrickafter each restart there are new problems :(05:53
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bla|patrickand nobody has even a clue what may wrong here05:54
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bla|patrickforums, chats....05:54
bla|patricki wonder where i could try to find help05:54
manverubla|patrick: you don't wonder if you might choose another distro?05:54
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manveruif you want all the latest stuff you could build your own packages05:55
bla|patrickmanveru, what would change05:55
bla|patrickmanveru, compiling doenst work here05:55
bla|patrickneither for ati nor for anything else...05:55
manverui seriously doubt it05:55
bla|patrickjust tried to built amarok on my own05:55
djdarkmanhy ,can someone tell me how can i set the available resoultions for the X server after installation?05:55
bla|patrickfound a nice tutorial05:55
bla|patrickbut it  is the same behaviour...05:55
bla|patrickit ends up in a tmp-folder and gets delted afterwards05:56
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bla|patrickno debs, no rpms, no whatevers05:56
manverubla|patrick: you know checkinstall?05:56
bla|patrickwhats that?05:56
manveruit's a powerful tool for building your own debs05:56
bla|patricksudo checkinstall is not found05:57
manveru!info checkinstall05:57
bla|patricknever heard of that05:57
ubotucheckinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB05:57
ubotusomebody said checkinstall was http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall05:57
naliothbla|patrick: checkinstall will be your best friend if you compile your own source code05:57
djdarkmanhy ,can someone tell me how can i set the available resoultions for the X server after installation?05:57
manverudjdarkman: you can set it in the xorg.conf - wait a second05:58
manveruubotu: tell djdarkman about resolution05:58
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djdarkman10x manveru 05:59
bla|patrickhowever... linux bugs me now... i'll take a break of this and get of fnow05:59
bla|patrickgood bye05:59
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manveruthey all come back some day... :)06:00
brodelSounds like me with the other distros I tried.06:00
brodelI try to do something as simple as install gaim and 10 hours later I reformat  and say screw it.06:00
LjLis there some kind of complement to checkinstall that adds (or guesses) the right dependencies for what you're installing?06:01
LjLi mean, auto-apt does something, but it doesn't add the deps to the *created* package06:01
ubotuhmm... checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall06:01
naliothauto-apt grabs your build dependencies06:01
naliothso that you CAN build it06:01
manverunever heard about auto-apt...06:02
naliothinstead of you reading each error and adding the pkg it calls for06:02
djk_i have a 6gb hdd, will 50mb /boot 2gb / 500mb swap and rest /home be enough for kubuntu?06:02
naliothmanveru: i dont use it. i tried it, and i prefer reading the error msgs and installing the libs it cries for06:02
manveruwhy did nobody tell me about it?06:02
LjLnalioth, that page says that checkinstall creates a .deb from all the files generated by make install. now, this newly created .deb won't have dependencies listed06:02
manveruthis is _the_ killer-feature06:03
LjLi was asking if there is a way to have deps listed -- then perhaps this way to have them listed would use auto-apt, of course06:03
naliothLjL: no, the checkinstall debs are for local use06:03
LjL(though i must say that auto-apt also tries to install a lot of unneeded stuff... probably because it asks to install everything that ./configure ever checks for)06:03
manveruLjL: like the ada95-devs?06:04
brodelhow would I know what to type in konsole using aptitude to install something without having to go in adept first? I wanted to install the beep media player so I was going to type install beep.. but after lookin in adept that would of been  an advanced pcspeaker beeper whatever that is for.. 06:04
LjLmanveru: not sure, i think i remember it trying to install gcj and some perl stuff06:04
manverubrodel: i usually use apt-cache search for it06:04
manverubrodel: but you can search in aptitude... using the / key06:05
LjLbrodel: apt-cache search <keywords>       aptitude install <packagename>06:05
naliothbrodel: learning the terminal is quite handy06:05
ubotuwell, cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/06:05
manverunalioth: i wished there was a greater community for nano...06:05
LjLbrodel: also, sometimes i find pruning apt-cache's output with grep useful06:05
naliothnano rocks!06:05
Flosofthey riddel ... u still there?06:05
LjLbrodel: like, "apt-cache search <keywords> | grep <narrower-and-case-sensitive-keywords>"06:06
manverunalioth: absolutly, but most people just smile and say - hey, use vi or emacs...06:06
LjLnano rocks06:06
naliothi hate dist-upgrades06:06
brodelwow LjL I would of never of figured that out haha 06:06
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brodelwhat's nano? Unless you mean the new ipod?06:07
FlosoftThe CD Image is already on my server ... the DVD image is comming along06:07
naliothFlosoft: if you want him, use his correct nick, so it trips his clients bell06:07
nalioth!info nano06:07
ubotunano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is standard. Version: 1.3.8-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB06:07
LjLbrodel: well that's a shell thing... "grep" is a very powerful program to let you search through text. then, the "|" character is a pipe, which means that it lets you connect the *output* of a program to the *input* of another06:07
Flosoftso u can already add the page to the Kubuntu Download List06:07
LjLbrodel: so that command basically says "search for this stuff, then give the output to grep, which will take it as input, and do stuff with it (in this case, search again)"06:07
brodelI knew what grep was, but I just thought it was for searching files for certain words06:07
manverumaybe i should start a nano-community - with syntax-files and stuff :)06:08
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brodeljust tried it.. sweet06:08
LjLbrodel: and that's precisely what it does. only, a "file" doesn't necessarily have to be a *file* :)06:08
naliothubotu: tell brodel about cli06:08
naliothbrodel: when you have some free time, read that info from ubotu 06:08
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brodelcrap.. I closed it somehow.. do that again please06:09
brodelI was in the terminal and somehow closed out the pm06:09
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brodelnow if I could only get my modem working so I could play around with this at work..06:11
naliothRiddell: all your "test this" is kickin my arse on my dist-upgrade06:12
FlosoftRiddell: The Image is available on my servers. http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu.php06:12
Riddellnalioth: what's the problem?06:13
naliothall those pkgs you asked to be tested...06:13
naliotherroring out my upgrade to breezy06:13
naliothnothing i havent dealt with on my other machines06:13
LjLnalioth: do you know if auto-apt is being actively developed?06:13
RiddellFlosoft: ug, javascript06:13
naliothLjL: i do not06:14
Riddellnalioth: can you be more specific?06:14
FlosoftRiddel: Not for the Downlaods ... only for the Mirror info06:14
naliothRiddell: i'm just running my mouth, i built 3.4.2 for my hoary and it's triggering upgrade errors06:14
LjLnalioth: you know, i think it would be useful if, for example, it could have a "blacklist" of packages it should ignore, for doing ./configure and stuff... or perhaps even something more elaborated... might have a look at it, if the code's not too complicated06:15
RiddellFlosoft: that's not clear, can you change the down arrows for filenames?06:15
naliothLjL: knock yourself out, i dont use it personally (i tried it a couple of times)06:15
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naliothjust for kicks, how do you remove metapkgs and all their depends?06:18
LjLriddell: can you confirm that kde 3.5rc1 "resets" the konqueror toolbar (i now have all of the print, find, larger-font, smaller-fonts buttons that weren't in Kubuntu's standard toolbar), and that there is an abnormally large icons for "Control Center" in the Settings applet?06:19
LjLnalioth: well with aptitude, they get removed automatically, and that's sometimes a problem for me!06:19
RiddellLjL: hmm, it shouldn't do but that is possible06:19
RiddellLjL: settings applet?06:19
LjLRiddell: yes, the applet for Kicker that shows a menu with settings, including Control Panel and the whole settings sub-menu hierarchy06:20
naliothLjL: my dist-upgrade is being held up by some pkgs i built, and i was gonna take my box down to the console06:20
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FlosoftRiddell: Better like that?06:21
naliothRiddell: i'm removing the 3.4.2 tree i built and hopefully it'll upgrade after that06:21
LjLRiddell: i don't think it's in the Kubuntu panel by default, but it can be added the usual way, right-click on panel, add applet, "Settings"06:21
LeeJunFanRiddell: oh, you're here now. Just sent you an e-mail on the sound preview bug thing for rc1.06:24
FlosoftLeeJunFan: Do u also have no sound?06:25
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LeeJunFanFlosoft: no, I have sound, this one relates to the problem of mousing over an icon in RC1 and having it reset your desktop.06:25
LeeJunFanFlosoft: it kills konqueror. Turn off previews for sound files and that problem goes away.06:26
FlosoftLeeJunFan: Ow ok ... is there anyone else that has no sound? I can06:26
LeeJunFanFlosoft: with rc1?06:26
Flosoft't hear any sound that comes from Linux ... only via Line or Mic06:26
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LeeJunFanFlosoft: try making a new user or renameing your ~/.kde dir to rule out anything in conf or apps dirs.06:28
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Flosoftok ... i'll try that06:28
LeeJunFanFlosoft: of course you'll have to log out to console if you plan to do the rename .kde dir, otherwize when you exit session it might just save bad settings again.06:28
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LeeJunFanFlosoft: that's how I find most of my kde problems during upgrades and such, I know if I login without a .kde dir and it works then it's some old setting I've got hanging around that's causing the problem.06:29
LjLnalioth: i'm not sure what you're getting at, but this will remove all the dependencies of a package:    apt-get --purge remove  `apt-cache show <package-name> | grep Depends | sed "s/Depends://" | sed "s/,//g"`06:30
LjLnalioth: at least it should06:30
naliothLjL: no habla esta idioma06:31
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etamhi, please help me06:31
etami have a problem with installation06:32
etamthe question about adding user and password is repeating06:32
LjLnalioth: it just lists the "Depends:" line of a package, removes the commas between packages, and feeds it all to apt-get remove :)06:32
Flosoftok ... I get alot of errors06:33
naliothLjL: cool :) 06:33
Flosoftarts crashes ...06:33
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Flosoftand then it says: /dev/dsp Permission Denied06:33
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etamwho can help me with installation? i think there is a bug06:33
naliothetam: if you tell us what happened, we can help you more effectively06:34
etamwhen there is a question about user name and passowrd06:34
etamnalioth: when i write sth and do next it is repeating this 3 steps over and over again06:35
naliothetam: did you burn the install disk or get it in the mail?06:35
LeeJunFanFlosoft: do you have arts configured to use alsa?06:35
etamnalioth: burn06:35
naliothetam: did you verify your iso image when you got it?06:36
naliothubotu: tell etam about verify06:36
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etamnalioth: yes i did it06:37
FlosoftLeeJunFan: Now every sound app crashes :s ... on the second account06:37
etamnalioth: and it was fine06:37
naliothetam: did you check the cd after you burned it? and did you burn it on the slowest speed?06:37
LeeJunFanFlosoft: you logged in on both on one machine?06:37
etamnalioth: i will burn it once more, i did it in 16x speed06:38
LeeJunFanFlosoft: make sure you don't have a running artsd owned by the first user you logged in as, that would be why your second user can't get /dev/dsp because the first one already claimed it.06:38
naliothetam: oh yes, that may be the problem. burn it much more slowly06:38
FlosoftLeeJunFan: ow ok ...06:38
etamnalioth: why is it so?06:38
etamnalioth: is this problem only with kubuntu?06:39
naliothetam: it is a known quirk of all the ubuntu versions. they dont seem to like being burnt at high speeds06:39
LeeJunFannalioth: explain why...06:40
etamnalioth: LeeJunFan - if You can ;)06:40
LeeJunFanetam: it's the ubuntu triangle.06:40
naliothi cant explain it, i just have seen this problem since warty warthog06:42
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LjLthe mysteries of computing...06:43
etammy nero cant burn with 1x speed :)06:43
djk_how do i disable the synchronizing clock with ntp.ubuntu.... at bootup ?06:43
Myk3what is the terminal command to change the ip to dhcp instead of static?06:43
LjLdjk_: why do you want to? (as for the answer, let me look)06:43
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brodelI installed kubuntu  a little while ago (had ubuntu on it running fine) but now when I stick my USB drive in my laptop it comes up and says "An error occurred while loading media:/sda1: The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist."06:43
djk_nalioth: doesn't that "problem" rathe concern the capabilities of the used burners? i've always used 52x and no probs with the cds06:44
djk_LjL: because the laptop doesn't have inet access -- thus unnecessary06:44
Myk3im useing kubuntu and when i goto the control center i cant go into admin mode06:44
LjLdjk_: well, i think that job is done by ntpdate, so aptitude remove ntpdate.06:44
djk_LjL: i know there's a wiki entry for that, i've seen it, but can't find it06:44
LjLdjk_: or maybe ntpd, in which case aptitude remove ntpd. or just do both, they're both NTP related anyway :)06:45
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FlosoftWhat is the best KDE IRC Client?06:45
Myk3it just says loading06:45
djk_Konqueror Flosoft 06:45
LjLFlosoft: the two most used ones are Konversation and Ksirc, i think06:45
LjLMyk3: X-Chat isn't quite KDE06:46
djk_eh, yea, konversation..damn brain..06:46
l3mFlosoft: Konversation06:46
Myk3but it works06:46
LjLyeah it works ;)06:46
naliothdjk_: dunno what it is, i just know that burning them at the slowest speed seems to work better06:46
Flosoftok ... brb06:46
brodelLjL: any ideas on my newest little issue? :)06:47
naliothkvirc rulez them all06:47
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LjLbrodel: no, it works for me...06:47
flosofthey again06:47
LjLbrodel: does /media/usbX exist? tho i don't really think it's related06:48
brodeluh oh then06:48
flosoftwhat about KVIRC?06:48
djk_nalioth: it's a tricky thing. if you burn at a very slow speed with a highspeed cd burner it may kill the cd layer because the laser stays on the same spot for too long..06:48
flosoftthat was my favourite under SuSE06:48
brodelhey /media/usbdisk is!06:48
LjLflosoft: well, i haven't used it, but it's there in ubuntu06:48
brodeland that's all my stuff06:48
brodelI wonder what is making that other box pop up :\06:49
flosoftbut an old one06:49
LjLbrodel: you know what? i *don't* have /media/usbdisk :) i have /media/usb0 and usb106:49
flosoft2 not 306:49
LjLflosoft: maybe dapper has 306:49
djk_which packages do i have to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without inet access? --currently installing kubuntu on it.06:50
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Myk3when i goto the control center in kubuntu i cant g into admin monde06:51
LjLflosoft: the new development version of Ubuntu. if it's in dapper, you can do a backports request06:51
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Myk3can some one help me06:52
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djk_Myk3: read the /topic06:52
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LjLflosoft: backports is the repository where Dapper applications get, well, backported to Breezy, so that you can have newer versions without waiting for when Dapper is released06:52
Myk3i dont get it06:52
Myk3admin mode fix?06:52
Myk3so i need to update first06:53
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LjLflosoft: no, it doesn't seem to be in dapper. i think it still has version 2, strange. anyway, here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22375&highlight=kvirc is a thread about installing it06:53
djk_peppe: e506:53
djk_peppe: e4*06:53
Myk3what is the command to change the ip to a dhcp addy in the term?06:53
Myk3ifconfig eth0?06:54
Myk3then what06:54
LjLflosoft: http://kvirc.net/?id=releases&platform=unix&version=3.2.0&group=debian06:54
LjLflosoft: might work, might not06:54
LeeJunFanMyk3: dhclient eth006:55
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Myk3isnt working07:01
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douglasIs anyone else experiencing a bug where you can't modify the menu with the menu editor, even if you go in and make changes and click save, it doesn't change?07:02
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robotgeekdouglas:  it's listed on the kubuntu site, i heard ppl talking abt it in here07:05
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Myk3what file contains the dns ?07:08
l3m      /etc/resolv.conf07:10
flosoftLjL: it doesn't :s07:11
flosoftRiddell: So when do u think ur gonna add the download mirrors?07:12
LjLflosoft: :(07:12
naliothRiddell: howdy, i made it through07:12
LjLwhat download mirrors?07:12
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LjLnalioth: you've upgraded to... what?07:12
douglasrobotgeek: Where is it listed, I can't find it in the known problems?07:12
robotgeekdouglas: someone was talking about it, i am not sure. i don't use kde as such. sorry07:13
douglasit's cool.07:13
naliothLjL: i moved my last machine from hoary to breezy07:13
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NoTechkkathman hi07:15
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Riddellflosoft: added, thanks07:15
Riddellflosoft: you should add the MD5SUM files too07:16
Tm_Thmm, nice blue colour there ;)07:16
NoTechkkathman someone told me you can help me07:16
naliothkkathman: we've been waiting you, professor07:16
Riddellflosoft: and settings up a torrent would be uber cool as I say :)07:16
naliothNoTech: watch the colors please07:16
Tm_Tkkathman: o707:16
NoTechwhat colors?07:16
kkathmanhey Tm_T :)07:16
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_andreahi people07:16
naliothNoTech: your client is sending colored text to the channel07:17
NoTechsorry,i am using Invision Mirc,will try to remove colors,any ideas?07:17
NoTechbetter now?07:18
robotgeekphew, i tht it was the changes i made to screen. 07:18
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guptaIs there any way to get  rid of sudo and yet retain my home directory?07:19
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NoTechi have installed kubuntu 5.10 now when i go to system configuration,and example bluetooth i can't modify nothing07:19
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NoTechi presume i need to click on administrative privileges or something like that07:20
NoTechand it asks me a password,i write my psw and then it returns to the previous menu,but again i cant modify nothing07:20
NoTechany ideas?07:20
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naliothNoTech: he left07:20
naliothNoTech: he'll be back07:20
NoTechmaybe he is busy07:21
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NoTechkkathman sry can u help me please?07:21
Tm_TNoTech: why you are using colours07:23
etamnalioth: i have burned it with 4X and there is the same problem :(, how can i check if the burned cd is ok?07:23
NoTechagain? i tryed to remove them..07:23
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NoTechTm_T any ideas how i can remove colors? i don't see any when i type,sry07:25
naliothetam: are you on linux or windows?07:25
guptaAnybody, is there a way to avoid using sudo without loggin in as root?07:25
guptaY/N 07:25
Tm_TNoTech: what client you're using? and don't answer directly to me07:26
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etamnalioth: windows07:26
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NoTechMirc invision07:26
djk_which packages do i have to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without inet access? --currently installing kubuntu on it.07:26
Tm_Twhy mirc07:27
Tm_Toh why oh why :/07:27
naliothetam: i dont know how to check in a cd in windows, however you can choose "expert install" and from there choose 'verify cd"07:27
NoTechcz i like it :)07:27
etamnalioth: ok, thanks07:27
Tm_TNoTech: I hate it already07:27
djk_mirc is like a hooker.. nice for the moment - but never a lasting friendship...07:28
NoTechdidnt know to make u problems guyz! and don't answer directly to me07:29
Tm_TNoTech: haha, I said so because you use colours when answering directly07:29
NoTechk :)07:29
NoTechsee u later guys07:30
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guptaHOw should i add a user to the "root group"07:35
robotgeekgupta: why would you want to do that? 07:40
kkathmangupta: man useradd07:40
kkathmanand read it :)07:40
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manveruseems like he readed it, understood it and made a gentle rm -rf /07:41
kkathmanmanveru: thats not funny :)07:42
kkathmannewbies might type what you tell them07:42
kkathmanthen they get all upset yanno :)07:42
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djk_kkathman: oh well, he still has /home with that command ;)07:46
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djk_sooooo. kubuntu is installed.. now which packages do i need to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without internet access?07:48
djk_anyone? anyone at all? ;)07:48
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etamnalioth: the cd is valid :|07:50
naliothetam: then i'm lost, friend07:50
etamnalioth: have You got any other ideas? i can tell You that once the installation was ok, maybe some settings are wrong? maybe my laptop have sth specific?07:51
etamnalioth: ok, thank you very much for Your time07:51
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naliothetam: did your box install all the way or hang on the name and password fields?07:53
etamnalioth: all the way? what do You mean? iam not good at english as you07:53
naliothetam: was your install successful? or did it stop during the install?07:54
etamnalioth: once it was all ok, everything! but all other tries was stopped by name and password fields07:55
etamnalioth: maybe i can set this step by the console?07:55
naliothetam: can you log in from a console? 07:55
djk_will OOo2 load faster with XFCE instead of KDE ?07:55
etamnalioth: hmmm, i cant beacause the system isnt installed07:56
etamnalioth: i did it in the console which i could choose from the installation menu07:56
naliothetam: have you been to #ubuntu-pl  ?07:56
etamnalioth: i will go there, thanks07:57
naliothetam: you may have better help there (you may not)07:57
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brodelI figured I'd try amarok since someone here earlier thought it was so great.. it won't play my MP3s.. so07:57
etamnalioth: there is no such channel :(07:58
naliothor there is nobody in it07:58
brodelno one is there. I just went07:58
etamnalioth: now i am there ;)07:58
naliothetam: good! are there people?07:59
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etamnalioth: only me08:00
naliothetam: try burning the iso again at the slowest speed you can08:01
flosoftRiddel: Why doesn't PM work?08:01
hussamflosoft: you need to register you nick to send a PM08:02
etamnalioth: the slowest is 4x :/08:02
etamnalioth: download any other cdburning soft and try again?08:02
flosofthussam: how?08:03
robotgeekbrodel: it doesn't play your mp3's. not good. try installing the package amarok-engines08:04
naliothetam: did you burn it at 4x the first time?08:04
hussamflosoft: I don't remember much, I think /msg Nickserv <emailaddress> <password>08:06
etamnalioth: nope, i did it in 16, one hour ago a did it in 4x and it was the same error08:06
hussamflosoft: sorry /msg Nickserv REGISTER <emailaddress> <password>08:06
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naliothetam: do you have another cd drive?08:06
aljosawho is default user for postgres 8.0 installation on ubuntu?08:07
etamnalioth: no, i dont, this is laptop, i have only another cdrw devices, i tried them both :|08:07
etamnalioth: is there any net instalation possible?08:08
naliothetam: this is from a usb cd drive?08:08
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etamnalioth: no, this is normal cd drive08:09
naliothetam: you mentioned "other cdrw devices"08:10
brodelbah amarok is weird08:10
etamnalioth: i mean burners in my desktop pc, on the desktop pc the installation was without that error08:11
naliothetam: is the laptop old?08:11
brodelwhat engine should I be using?08:11
NoTechkkathman hi :)08:11
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brodelNoTech: colors are back08:11
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NoTech:) dunno how to remove them,sry08:12
brodeloh.. it was just nick autocomplete I guess08:12
manveruNoTech: what client?08:12
NoTechnext time will use another client08:12
{slacky}hello Riddell 08:12
brodelhe's using mirc with the invision script08:12
NoTechinvision mirc08:12
etamnalioth: nope, it is from september 200508:12
manveruNoTech: uh... oh... argh! :)08:12
NoTechand why it is so a problem???08:12
naliothetam: i'm lost at this point. perhaps burn it to another brand of media? (keep is slow, tho)08:13
manveruyou destroy my decent colors ^^08:13
NoTechis kkathman again away? :/08:13
etamnalioth: ok, i will, thanks for your time once more08:14
brodelok, I'm about fed up with amarok08:14
aljosais there anybody here who uses postgres on ubuntu?08:15
naliothetam: i'll be here, if you have other questions08:16
a1exmrhelo! have any guide as ubuntuguide.org exclusive for kde (kubuntu 5.10) ?08:16
a1exmralgum brasileiro aqui ?08:17
a1exmrsorry, have any guide as ubuntuguide.org exclusive for kde (kubuntu 5.10) ?08:20
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brodelI don't think so but I'm a n00b08:20
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naliothubuntulog: tell a1exmr about ubuntuguide08:22
ubotuubuntuguide is, like, out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.08:22
robotgeekubotu: tell zoexii about pastebin08:22
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naliotha1exmr: see what ubotu wrote about ubuntuguide08:23
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brodelit's out of date..?!08:23
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jkeck-j #ubuntu08:28
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darksoulhey, when i upgraded to breezy, i noticed some new media players, but when i reinstalled with the cd, there not there, how do i get them?08:29
brodeldo you know what they were?08:32
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Lord_Athurhi! is there anyone with time for help to other one about something without relation to linux or kubuntu???08:40
Lord_AthurI'm spanish and I don't speak English very well :P08:42
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RiddellLord_Athur: /join #kubuntu-es08:53
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Lord_Athurthanks Riddell 08:53
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_arafatis there a repository with qt 4.0.1 binaries for kubuntu (i've just found 4.0.0)?09:03
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treefrogHi guys.. can anyone help with wireless card setup.. it sems to be installed but still not connecting!!09:06
LeeJunFantreefrog: if you run iwconfig from a shell you see the device info?09:08
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treefroghumm. it is on the laptop and I'm on the desktop in konversation.. so I cant cut and past the result.. but it says ESSID:off/any09:11
LeeJunFanokay, what does it say for mode?09:11
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treefrogand access point 00 00 09:12
LeeJunFanhehe, I was just about to ask that.09:12
treefrogsorry lots of 0009:12
LeeJunFanright, which means it's not associated. like you said.09:12
LeeJunFanwhat about enc? and do you have WEP on your network09:13
_pvhtreefrog: Try doing a "sudo dhclient eth1"09:13
_pvhtreefrog: I had a similar problem.09:13
treefrogdid I say that.. sorry I'm still getting to grips with it all. No wep or other security set up.. thought it wold be better if it was all off 09:13
treefrogshould that be wlan0 not eth1?09:14
LeeJunFantreefrog: np, i was just saying that your assertion that it wasn't associating was correct.09:14
_pvhtreefrog: It may be for your configuration, yes09:14
LeeJunFantreefrog: dev name really doesn't matter, some drivers name them differently.09:14
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LeeJunFantreefrog: the wireless card won't associate unless the device is activated, so like _pvh said, try sudo dhclient eth1 - if you have dhcp on your network.09:16
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LeeJunFanerr, wlan009:16
treefrogdid that..09:16
treefroglistening on LPF09:16
LeeJunFannow does iwconfig show you a mac addr by access point?09:16
treefroglistening on LPF/wlan0/00:11:50 and so on09:17
_pvhMy card always says "NOT READY!!!" or something to that effect before I prod it.09:17
LeeJunFanah, still waiting. Sounds like it's not talking.09:17
_pvhiwlist scan is helpful too.09:17
treefroglooks like a mac add09:17
_pvhDoes "iwlist scan" show you any access points?09:17
LeeJunFantreefrog: you got a real mac addy nex to access point now?09:18
LeeJunFannevermind, you mean in the dhclient script output.09:18
treefrogiwconfig still got 00 00 00 00 00 09:18
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LeeJunFantreefrog: integrated wireless?09:19
treefrogno Broadcom thing in a belkin pcmcia card09:19
treefrogfollowed a broadcom install allthe way .. seems to ok except.. not09:20
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LeeJunFantreefrog: using ndiswrapper?09:21
treefrogit was ubuntu HOW TO:  config wireless cards with broadcom chipset.. yup with ndiswrapper09:22
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treefroglight gos on after boot. and it is listed as active or enabled in the sys settings09:23
LeeJunFantreefrog: I'm afraid I don't have any ndiswrapper experience and I'm beginning to think that's the basis of the problem.09:23
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treefrogis there another way to install a driver09:24
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LeeJunFantreefrog: if it's got a native linux driver available that's the best way. like with my card I use madwifi drivers on one, and hostap drivers on the other.09:24
treefrogno Broad com are not good for linux drivers. or so it seems.. 09:25
LeeJunFantreefrog: I think it's safe to say neither of those will work for your card though or you wouldn't have needed ndiswrapper, ubuntu comes with both madwifi and hostap already.09:25
treefrogok thanks for the time on it.. 09:27
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CellarDoorhi all09:28
CellarDoorI'm just wondering about something. Its not that important but In kubuntu the trashcan is on the panel, which I quite like usually but I was wondering how one 'detatches' it and gets a trashcan back on the desktop ?09:29
manveruyou can add a trashcan to your desktop09:30
manverui would just drag&drop the one from the system-config menu09:30
manverusince the trashcan in kicker is an applet and you can not drag it for that reason09:31
CellarDoorah rite09:31
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treefrogjoin #kubuntu laptop09:32
manveru /join #kubuntu-laptop is better :)09:33
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RobertKnightHi - Does anyone know if future releases of Kubuntu are likely to have MPlayer included by default09:36
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manveruvery unlikely09:36
CellarDoorits not a kde app09:36
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RobertKnightBut KMPlayer is09:36
CellarDooraah... I should apt-get install that and have a look09:37
manveruit is not in the debian-philosophy to provide packages wich use unfree libs09:37
CellarDoormanveru: I don't seem to be able to drag and drop the trashcan onto the desktop as it says its already there09:37
BlissexRobertKnight: it is very unlikely in part because MPlayer is a complicated beast, there is a ready-made KDE alternative, and as <manveru> says most people that want MPlayer want it because of the unfree libs.09:37
RobertKnightAll I am interested in is being able to play RealPlayer, WMV, QuickTime etc. audio and video files from the web09:38
CellarDoorI've always found mplayer to be a real pain09:38
manveruCellarDoor: i see...09:38
RobertKnightIt doesn't have to involve KMPlayer (which uses MPlayer), but that is the best and easiest solution that I have found.09:38
rikvaRobertKnight: did you try vlc?09:38
RobertKnightNo, does that integrate with Konqueror?09:39
etamnalioth: i have found the solution, if You are interested09:39
naliothetam: yes please09:39
rikvaRobertKnight: no it doesn't. it does in firefox09:39
etamnalioth: i was trying to mount /home as a fat32 partition :| without it it is all ok09:39
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RobertKnightThat isn't very useful for Kubuntu then, since Konqueror is the default web browser.09:40
etamnalioth: have you got any clue why?09:40
naliothetam: that would definitely be the reason why. linux doesnt like fat32 filesystems for its home09:40
CellarDoormanveru: I'm hoping to find an option somewhere along the lines of "show trashcan" :P09:40
etamnalioth: :)09:40
naliothetam: glad you got it fixed.09:40
etamnalioth: thanks for your help, really09:40
manveruCellarDoor: i just search for something...09:41
naliothetam: np, drop in here or #kubuntu-offtopic anytime09:41
RobertKnightKMPlayer integrates nicely with Konqueror, and allows me to view video streams from bbc.co.uk, cnn etc.  Kubuntu seems to have very poor multimedia support by default.  I would really like to see this changed.  I realise that non-free Win32 binaries have to be included with the MPlayer libs, but this is not really an issue since, as I understand it, the MPlayer code itself is free and open.09:41
CellarDoormanveru: thanks, I'm trying to figure it out here too09:41
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etamnalioth: thanks, bye, i have to configure it now :)09:41
etamnalioth:  at last :)))09:42
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CellarDoortrashcan is in my "Desktop" directory, but not visible on the desktop...09:43
treefroganyone have ane experence with sound on a laptop.. It all works amarok or mplayer but there is a strange gravel sound on all audio played.. 09:44
manverutreefrog: this can be due to powersave-mode09:44
manveruCellarDoor: it's odd, i just can't finde anything09:45
CellarDoormanveru: me neither :P09:45
treefrogmanveru:  humm.. it is all turned off .. the battery is not so good so I turned it off. it should be off for best results right?09:46
manverutreefrog: i had the same problems, but i was using artsd wich has some really odd behaviours09:47
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Knowerrorsanybody else here having problems accessing usb cameras in breezy?09:48
CellarDoormanveru: hmm it just wont show the trashcan on the desktop09:50
brodelWhen I try to use Krdc it lets me enter in the info, but when I click ok at the prefrences screen it crashes and says "Could not start rdesktop; make sure rdesktop is properly installed."09:50
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treefrogjoin#kubuntu laptop09:57
treefrogoops again.. lol09:57
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treefrogit is strange I have a headset plugged into the laptop. and when I use the mouse I can hear more crackeling. like it is getting intreference from the memory or something!! anyideas10:01
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v-doggis there a shorcut to show desktop?10:02
treefrogv-dogg: like a minimist all thing?10:02
brodelctrl alt D10:04
v-doggsplendid, thanks10:05
_oshso, now I've removed kaffeine since it wouldn't play anyting (vob, mpg, avi). what should I install and where would I find it? Neither videolan nor mplayer are in the repos.10:07
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treefrog_osh: have you got the codecs installed?10:08
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_oshtreefrog: yep, found the w32codecs here: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/10:08
_oshtreefrog: I assume it's them you're talking about.10:09
treefrogtry this too. I dont know your links.. I'll have to look see now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats10:09
_oshtreefrog: splendid. exactly the kind of link I was looking for. Now I might actually be able to get kubuntu to work for me. Thanks a whole lot. =)10:11
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treefrognp it is what that link did for me.. :-)10:11
treefrogbook mark it and then inscribe it on your desk10:12
_oshWill do. And it should probably be in /topic or some such too. The faq referred to there is for 5.04 which is slightly outdated...10:12
`NomadHi all,  I have an issue where my computer always shuts down when I select restart/reboot.  I have other OSes on here and never have that problem there.. Where can I look for a faulty setting, inittab seems fine..10:14
treefrogya but that is the way the cooky crumbles. it is like that because I guess.. it is not part of the official ubuntu/kubuntu thing.. it being caught in licencing isues and all10:15
_osh`Nomad: I have the same issue. Haven't solved it yet.10:15
_oshtreefrog: I was quite frustrated a few days ago when trying to play media and I couldn't find any help anywhere. Imho a "User friendly distribution" should play most media out of the box, or atleast tell how to enable it. But that's just me.10:17
treefrog_osh: must be something to do with integration with your hardware.. some parts are not being picked p propperly I guess10:17
treefrog_osh: userfrendly.. horses for courses. 10:18
treefrogit is true it is not ready for grandma to use yet10:18
djk_pr0ning_osh: hardly any distro comes with mp3 support out of the box10:18
treefrogand I wold like to get her to use it.. she is quite bright10:19
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treefroglicencing issue10:19
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treefrogevery player that is shiped must pay a licence fee of 70cent or something10:19
_oshtreefrog: Might be my hardware but I don't think so. Mandriva, gentoo and Fedora worked quite nicely. They all had some quirks so kubuntu here I come... =)10:20
djk__osh: since you've had fedora.. did you have mp3 support by default? ;) 10:20
_oshdjk_: No, but I think both gentoo and mandriva did.10:21
treefrogno I dont expect it is hardware.. it is ubuntu not picking up your hardware correct.. you are using a shipset that is not .. recognised fully yet.. I expect that is the case anyway.. 10:21
naliothdjk_: fedora has never had mp3 support ootb10:21
_oshtreefrog: it's a dell lattitude so it's not really arcane hardware. but It might be that. Thanks for your attention, you've been most helpful.10:22
`Nomad_osh: thanks, good to know 10:22
manveru_osh: most likely mandriva has, since it is the most newbie-friendly distro i every met10:23
treefrog_osh:  doa search for your DELL model and see if there is anyong on it with Ubuntu.. one thing I have found is that the guys here write everying down.. 10:25
_oshtreefrog: :-)10:25
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treefrogmanveru:  ur sound problem.. did you hear sound noise when you moved the mouse?10:26
djk_nalioth: i know.. it was a rethorical question since _osh complained about kubuntu not having mp3 support ootb ;)10:28
naliothdjk_: sorry, scanning several channels, assimiliating few :010:28
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brodelI can't play MP3s from a smb share on my windows machine? When I click open it copies it locally and then plays it.. why can't it just play?10:29
djk_nalioth: hehe, having fun?10:31
naliothdjk_: sure am10:32
djk_mmh what's the command to reconfigure x. i can't remember it entirely..10:33
ubotusudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg10:35
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djk_ah, thanks :) had xserver and xorg switched 10:36
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`NomadCould anyone share the URL for that page that gives you a source-list for apt-get?10:38
ubotuA list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic10:38
djk_there you go10:38
`Nomadthanks.. :)10:38
[Surge] I see the kernel in Breezy is 2.6.12 but the kernel headers are 2.6.11. Is that normal?10:38
djk_you're welcome :)10:38
ubotuthanks nalioth :)10:38
`NomadI should hav etried that but my keywords usually bounce.. ;)10:38
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spiralhello guys10:41
[Surge] Oh nevermind I'll upgrade the kernel anyway. :)10:41
spiralas I didn't find anything new in the kde 3.5rc1 repo, I'm asking again...10:42
[Surge] The dist-upgrade was cool - it almost worked without problems.10:42
spiraldoes anyone know if the other software are going to be packaged and if it will be during the end of this week-end or later ?10:42
djk_mmh, i'm not quite sure if this laptops card can handle 1024x768 but i'm pretty sure that things weren't as big in win 98 as they are now with 800x600.. should i just go with 1024x768 ?10:42
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naliothspiral: ridde11 is working very hard to package more things10:43
naliothspiral: ridde11 also has to fix bugs10:44
_StarScreamdjk_: you could always reduce your font size ?10:44
_StarScreamand use a smaller widget theme10:44
`NomadI get that this line is wrong from the source-o-matuc..10:44
`Nomad# OpenOffice.org 2 final packages (packages)10:44
`Nomaddeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/10:44
spiralnalioth: all right, thanks for the informations... As long as there's hope to have the packages released.. ;-)10:44
djk_`Nomad: don't use the OOo2 line10:45
djk_`Nomad: put a # in front of it, it's not working yet it seems10:45
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DelvienAnyone know how i remove the ipw2200 i installed, and it doesnt work 10:45
djk__StarScream: where do i select a smaller widget theme? i'm not used to 12'' screens..10:46
`Nomaddarn.. I was hoping it would resolve my issue with the plf repo. not being available.. I'm stuck with a wrong version libdvdcss after following the FAQ instructions.   Oh well, no emergengy I guess10:47
_StarScreamdjk_: erm...kcontrol or what ever the equiv is in kubuntu (not infront of my kubuntu machine atm)10:47
`Nomadantesis.freecontrib.org  is down it seems.. Is there a list of alternative plf sites?10:48
ubotu`Nomad: Did you get hit by a windmill?10:48
nalioth`Nomad: they are on scheduled down time. they'll be back10:49
`Nomadok doke10:50
djk__StarScream: mmh, and where exactly? appearance?10:50
_StarScreamdjk_: well yeh, kubuntu changes it around a bit, in slackware its under style in Apearance and Themes10:50
djk__StarScream: ah i know now where and what you mean..well, i could change that but that doesn't change the size of windows it seems...10:53
_StarScreamhmm, it does for me to some extent, depending on the theme and also the size of the font.10:54
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fatejudgeris there a way to play m4v files in Kaffeine?10:56
crimsuninstall libfaad2-010:56
crimsunactually you'lle need gstreamer0.8-faad10:56
crimsun(unless you're using kaffeine-xine)10:57
fatejudgerugh, gstreamer10:57
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naliothfatejudger: what is a m4v? 10:57
fatejudgerI can't get anything to play in that10:57
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naliothfatejudger: i know what a mp4 and  a m4a and a m4p are10:57
fatejudgerI switched back to xine about a week ago10:57
fatejudgernalioth: I think it might be an iPod Video filetype10:57
LeeJunFanfatejudger: yeah, I've always been a xine user, I tried gstreamer twice and both times it just sucked.10:58
naliothfatejudger: libfaac and libfaad and gstreamer0.8-faac and -faad should play it if it's not encrypted10:58
djk_which packages do i need to download (as deb) so i can burn them and install xfce4 on this laptop? -- no inet access with it 10:58
fatejudgernalioth: do I need all 3 of those packages to play it in gstreamer?10:58
naliothprobably just the gstreamer ones, fatejudger 10:59
naliothfatejudger: IF it's not an encrypted file10:59
seth_kdjk_, sudo apt-get install -s xubuntu-desktop will tell you :)10:59
fatejudgerwhat is up with gstreamer anyway, it doesn't seem like it plays many file formats as compared to xine10:59
fatejudgerand always seems to have errors10:59
seth_kdjk_, notice the -s for simulate10:59
LeeJunFandjk_: it's tough to say, but can you download one of the DVD iso's and burn it? the DVD has universe on it.11:00
djk_seth_k: will that also show packages needed i might already have?11:00
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seth_kdjk_, if you run it on the laptop, no. Have you ever set up universe on the laptop before?11:01
LeeJunFanseth_k: I think the point is he's not on that laptop now and he may already have the depencancies installed on his current system.11:01
djk_seth_k: the laptop does not have inet access11:01
seth_kat all? ok. I thought it might have had it in the past11:01
seth_kand no other ubuntu system to run that command on?11:01
djk_LeeJunFan: exactly, the laptop sits next to me and is being configured :)11:01
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djk_seth_k: well, this one...but as i said, this might have packages already..11:01
LeeJunFandjk_: plus of course there are a lot of xfce packages to consider.11:02
seth_kapt-cache depends xfce4 shows the bare minimum xfce installation11:02
seth_kwithout regards to what you already have installed11:03
seth_kuse that11:03
LeeJunFanxfce uses gtk doesn't it? So one would have less to download if started with ubuntu iso probably right?11:03
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djk_LeeJunFan: it took about an hour and 10 mins to install kubuntu on it.. i think downloading a bit more won't take that long ;)11:04
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LeeJunFanyou know, that would be a neat tool for someone to work on that would generate a deps list for an apt-get on a fresh CD install of ubuntu/kubuntu.11:07
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LeeJunFanwhere does dpkg keep it's list of installed packages?11:09
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FutalLeeJunFan: what do you mean, I don't understand what this tool should do?11:18
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chaoticgeekhello all11:23
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LeeJunFanFutal: something that would show dependancies would be required on a base installation.11:26
LeeJunFanie djk_ could go to a webpage and type in xfce4 and it would tell him all the packages it would install starting from a fresh installed system.11:27
djk_yea that would be quite useful11:29
unsurrealdpkg --get-selections | grep packagename11:29
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LeeJunFanunsurreal: yeah, but that tells you what it is based on your current system with other packages already installed.11:31
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LeeJunFanunsurreal: I mean for use by someone who might be looking to build their own micro repository, they need to know what to download and burn to CD to have to compliment their install CD.11:32
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naliothLeeJunFan: packages.ubuntu.com has a good list of that sort11:33
Kao|SleepLeeJunFan: couldnt you simply copy all the debs that you installed to another directory, make a script to install them all and burn it?11:33
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djk_mmh, is there a way to configure the kde clock in the konsole?11:33
unsurrealapt-get -s ?11:34
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: yeah, but that would be for my system I have now, not necessarily one I would plan on putting together.11:34
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: yeah, true...11:34
LeeJunFanunsurreal: still based on your current running system. If you were working on your testbed at the time that would work, but he's starting from scratch and installing on a system other than the one he's working on.11:35
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: what packages are you wanting to include?11:35
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LeeJunFandjk_: want's to have a package list for all deps for xfce4 on a fresh kubuntu install.11:36
Myk3hey i think there is backports for breezy now11:36
treefrogLeeJunFan: can I bug you a sec about that wireless thing again..11:36
naliothMyk3: there are backports repos now, but they are empty of pkgs atm11:37
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Myk3do u see it?11:38
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treefrogOk anyone free for me to bug about this wireles card setup?11:39
KaoticEvili need to resize /home.. but i cant get logged in  where /home is not busy...11:39
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KaoticEvilif i were to create a new username, and make his home directory /<username> instead of /home/<username>..11:39
KaoticEviland then login as that user, would /home still be busy?11:39
KaoticEvilto where i could unmount it and resize it?11:39
chaoticgeekI'm having a lil problems with my video.11:40
treefrogKaoticEvil:  I'm not sure but Y not just log in as root or admin or something!!!11:40
KaoticEviltreefrog: ive tried that...11:41
chaoticgeekI boot up to KDE and instead of getting the login, well I get the console.11:41
KaoticEvileven when i login as root from the console, it still says /home is busy11:41
chaoticgeekhow do I update the video drivers from the command line? I have ati built in to my mother board.11:42
treefrogKaoticEvil:  would it not let you log i or what? settgin up another user will not change much if root cant do it. 11:42
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: could you just use the install CD, go into the paritioning and resize from there?11:42
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KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: is that destructive?11:42
treefrogKaoticEvil:  tht is a good Idea from LeeJunFan. it wont be destructive unless it is a windows partition. 11:43
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: I honestly don't know about resizing ext3, but I know you can resize fat and ntfs from there non destructive. You just view the parition properties and put a new size in basically.11:43
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LeeJunFantreefrog: hehe. conflicting views.11:43
treefrogcool ha11:43
LeeJunFantreefrog: I resized my windows w/o losing it on a couple machines.11:43
LeeJunFantreefrog: but I have never resized a linux partition.11:44
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: i was trying to do it without rebooting :P11:44
treefrogqtparted and tparted all resize linux partitions safe as far as my experence goes11:44
KaoticEviltreefrog: ive got gparted, but it wont unmount /home11:44
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: you have to make sure nothing is using /home, then you can unmount it to do the resizing. check out 'man fuser' and/or 'man lsof' to find what's using /home11:44
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kojakaanyone know what plugins i need to play streming audio?11:45
treefrog.. home is a partition is it?11:45
KaoticEviltreefrog: yeah, /dev/hda311:45
chaoticgeekok I think I may have found the drivers on ATI's site11:46
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: 'lsof -n | egrep /home | awk '{print $2}' | sort -n | uniq' will give you a list of the pids of all processes using /home11:46
chaoticgeekI hope that I can run them from the command line to update my drivers11:46
treefrognow I see.. and root uses /home too.. humm bootable CD is the best way.. what distrows you got that boot. DSL and UBCD are amazing for this sort of stuff. 11:46
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: told you I could do anything with bash :)11:47
KaoticEvilthats one HELLUVA command...11:47
treefrogknopix too. 11:47
KaoticEvili believed you before :P11:47
LeeJunFanfor x in `lsof -n | egrep /home | awk '{print $2}' | sort -n | uniq` ; do kill $x ; done        ---------- will kill all those processes11:47
treefrogooch.. you know your stuff..11:48
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: lemme get a root console login.. and try that again :P11:48
treefroghe just typed that up out of his head too.. lol11:48
chaoticgeekI wanna be able to do that11:48
KaoticEvilLeeJunFan: would my idea work tho? the user creation and all that?11:48
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: you may have to use kill -9 for some things that won't die nicely.11:48
LeeJunFanI didn't catch that.11:49
KaoticEvildoesnt kill use sigterm ?11:49
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KaoticEvilif i were to create a new username, and make his home directory /<username> instead of /home/<username>..11:49
KaoticEviland then login as that user, would /home still be busy?11:49
LeeJunFanKaoticEvil: it shouln't be.11:50
KaoticEvili think ill try that first ;) :P11:50
treefrogLeeJunFan: can I get you to comment on my wireless stuff again?11:50
chaoticgeekthe ati drivers come as a .run package will I run into any big problems if I just go ./<pkgname>.run11:51
treefrogOk so I looked at this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto and see the difference wetween that and my result11:51
LeeJunFantreefrog: I can try.11:52
LeeJunFanknowing that much about linux and computers comes at the expense of forgetting to get milk on my 5 min trip to the store - to get milk. hehe11:52
treefrogmy result has signal level -10 dbm and such11:52
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treefrogI have noise level value too. 11:53
LeeJunFantreefrog: that is an aweful signal level.11:53
LeeJunFantreefrog: noise is probably about -9511:53
treefrogand link quality is 100/10011:53
LeeJunFanoh? that doesn't seem right.11:53
treefrognow it is not any paticular network.. 11:54
treefrogthe Access Point is still at 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 but so is the result in the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto11:54
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LeeJunFanhehe, regina - the city that rhymes with fun.11:55
treefrogwhat you on. !11:55
LeeJunFantreefrog: I dunno, all my experience with real linux supported cards show the MAC addy of the access point.11:56
treefrogI C11:56
LeeJunFantreefrog: they just had a commercial for a new movie on, that's what one of the people said when they said they were filming in Regina.11:56
treefrogstrange.. where you at.. like what country11:57
LeeJunFantreefrog: US.11:57
treefrogOh 11:57
treefrogyou get odd adds there..11:57
LeeJunFantreefrog: yeah, the name doesn't sound like USA does it? :)11:57
treefrogyou evr seen the european TV11:57
treefrogit is so different11:57
LeeJunFanLeeJunFan is Bruce Lee's birth given name.11:57
treefrogsome one is digging. lol11:58
treefrogOk I got to go to bed.. it is 11pm.. work and all that.. later guys. enjoy 11:59
LeeJunFanI gotta run and pick up my kid from my sister in laws myself.11:59
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chaoticgeekI'm so lost12:02
maeis there any good _complete_ alternatives to crystal svg?12:03

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