[12:03] <flixor> anybody experience with kgpg 
[12:05] <resolve> sampan is there any kde release with xfce
[12:06] <resolve> i mean ubuntu release*
[12:07] <sampan> yeah, you should be able to just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ... or if that doesn't work, then use adept to get xfce packages 
[12:07] <sampan> iirc i had to get the packages with adept/synaptic -- but maybe xubuntu-desktop works now -- not sure
[12:08] <resolve> i switch to kde because i hated the gnome apps... but im not really feeling better about kde looks :S lol
[12:08] <resolve> what a mess
[12:09] <sampan> :/  well kde can be customized to look a lot of different ways -- you could try surfing at kde-look.org to find stuff that appeals to you
[12:10] <resolve> yeah i think i would
[12:12] <resolve> but imn trying to figure out how to have xfce
[12:12] <sampan> use adept, search for "xfce" and select the major packages
[12:13] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: you around?
[12:13] <resolve> cant find any xfce package
[12:13] <crimsun> install xubuntu-desktop
[12:13] <sampan> resolve  have you edited your sources.list file?
[12:14] <crimsun> make sure you have the universe repository enabled
[12:14] <resolve> nope i just inmstall kubuntu 15min ago
[12:14] <sampan> crimsun, does that work now?  when i tried that (first week of breezy release), i just got errors with xubuntu-desktop
[12:14] <resolve> ho right univers and multiverse
[12:15] <crimsun> sampan: it should, yes
[12:15] <sampan> cool 
[12:15] <sampan> :(
[12:15] <PJeremy> what are the system requirements of xfce?
[12:16] <crimsun> they're fairly slim. 32 MB RAM.
[12:16] <sampan> not sure -- but lower than for gnome/kde for sure ;)  it's not an ultra-minimalist desktop, but it's pretty light
[12:16] <LeeJunFan> damn xdmcp in kdm doesn't work :(
[12:16] <Blissex> crimsun: thats rather optimistic...
[12:16] <resolve> god im lost in that kde thing how may i install universe and multiverse
[12:16] <crimsun> Blissex: sure
[12:17] <sampan> !sources
[12:17] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:17] <crimsun> we're not talking of w3m or ion here ;-)
[12:17] <crimsun> s/w3m/pwm/
[12:18] <sampan> resolve, you need to uncomment out the universe/multiverse lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[12:18] <resolve> ok
[12:19] <resolve> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/11/xubuntu-xfce-ubuntu/
[12:21] <resolve> :) sweet thx guys
[12:22] <mornfall> crimsun: x server alone ate 315M of RAM in a week and few days
[12:23] <mornfall> i guess the bitch is leaking...
[12:24] <crimsun> not just the pixmap cache?
[12:24] <sampan> if i don't have any bluetooth devices, is it alright to disable bluez-utils at bootup for run level 5?  the kbluetooth daemon is filling up my xsession.errors file with megabytes of error messages
[12:24] <mornfall> crimsun: why would it keep it that big?
[12:24] <crimsun> mornfall: some silly app(s)?
[12:25] <sampan> i kill the process, but after a day or so it mysteriously restarts
[12:25] <mornfall> crimsun: well, konqueror comes to mind...
[12:26] <mornfall> crimsun: wee, down to 280M
[12:26] <mornfall> crimsun: out of which some 32 (or is that 16) is vram
[12:26] <mornfall> and about 30 swapped out
[12:28] <mornfall> there are some kghostview instances running, and that's all
[12:28] <mornfall> hmm, amarok
[12:28] <resolve> ok im in the konsole, running a source.list windows .. how may i uncomment universe line
[12:29] <sampan> resolve, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list  ... then delete the # characters that begin the lines for universe/multiverse 
[12:30] <sampan> if you want to be safe, first do: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_original  :)
[12:41] <thirsteh> Has anyone else experienced losing all colouring in Konsole when installing a fresh Kubuntu (Breezer) ?
[12:42] <Thirsteh> I realize the topic mentions font fixes for Konsole, but I upgraded and nothing fixed (my) problem
[12:43] <toma> try the breezy-updates
[12:43] <Thirsteh> Sorry, I'm lost..
[12:43] <toma> Thirsteh: add this to sources deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[12:44] <Thirsteh> But, wouldn't I already have that?
[12:44] <toma> how should i know?
[12:44] <Thirsteh> I just said a fresh Breezy install
[12:44] <Thirsteh> :)
[12:45] <toma> that can be done in 10 ways....
[12:46] <Thirsteh> Okay, I'll cut it out in concrete for ya: I installed Kubuntu with the default installer, and the preset repositories are still there, and yes, breezy-updates are a part of it
[12:49] <_fatejudger> !repos
[12:49] <ubotu> I guess repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[12:51] <slow-motion_> n8
[12:52] <toma> Thirsteh: what is the problem?
[12:54] <Thirsteh> toma, konsole doesn't show any color, like, executables ain't green, folders ain't navy blue, normal files aint white.... etc etc
[12:54] <toma> try ls --color
[12:54] <Thirsteh> oh, so it's a change in ls?
[12:57] <Thirsteh> weird...
[12:59] <Thirsteh> where do I set aliases then, like la = ls -la  ?
[12:59] <Thirsteh> and ls = ls --color...
[12:59] <firephoto> Thirsteh: I set mine in ~/.bash_profile
[01:00] <Thirsteh> ok thanks
[01:00] <Thirsteh> I don't have a bash_profile ...
[01:00] <Thirsteh> something weird about this install, lol
[01:00] <firephoto> you could make one and start a new session and see if it works.
[01:00] <Thirsteh> what's the syntax?
[01:00] <Thirsteh> just: alias ls = ls --color        
[01:01] <Thirsteh> would work?
[01:01] <firephoto> yeah..
[01:01] <firephoto> maybe '  ' around it after the =
[01:01] <Thirsteh> okay thanks
[01:04] <tarheelcoxn> firephoto: next time point people to .bashrc first
[01:05] <tarheelcoxn> firephoto: .bash_profile is for login shells
[01:05] <tarheelcoxn> .bashrc is for non-login shells
[01:07] <firephoto> sorry. just going by what I have set here for alias stuff.
[01:07] <tarheelcoxn> np
[01:08] <tarheelcoxn> if I'd been paying attention earlier I would've said something
[01:08] <firephoto> are those color alias not set by default with ubuntu?
[01:09] <tarheelcoxn> I'm not at my [k|x] ubuntu boxen... not sure
[01:10] <tarheelcoxn> but I'd be really surprised if ubuntu tinkered with the default bash colors
[01:10] <firephoto> it probably would explain the ugly consoles though...
[01:11] <tarheelcoxn> eh?
[01:11] <firephoto> nothing is colored on mine.
[01:13] <firephoto> i guess i don't have much worth of colors to list.
[01:14] <tarheelcoxn> you mean when you use ls?
[01:15] <tarheelcoxn> do you have anything executable in the directory?
[01:15] <tarheelcoxn> other directories?
[01:21] <firephoto> i have ls colors. i guess it' just the ugly prompt.
[01:22] <firephoto> not that i look at it enough to care.
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> cool.. got ajva working in konqi :D
[01:23] <KaoticEvil> java too
[01:29] <tarheelcoxn> firephoto: google around... you'll find some easy/pretty prompts
[01:41] <drgayus> hey can i install mythtv on kubuntu?
[01:42] <crimsun> sure, it's in multiverse
[01:42] <drgayus> but i cant find it with the filter... do i need to set a different repository? (im on the default)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> !repositories
[01:43] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[01:44] <LeeJunFan_away> sure would be a lot less irc traffic ubuntu would just enable them by default or ask during setup. That and have a screen with VERY LARGE fonts that explains no root password.
[01:45] <drgayus> so how do i know which repository has the mythTV package?
[01:46] <drgayus> DrGayus...use the search box 
[01:46] <crimsun> LeeJunFan_away: huh?
[01:46] <LeeJunFan_away> uh, don't know how that happened.
[01:47] <KaoticEvil> lol LeeJunFan 
[01:47] <crimsun> LeeJunFan: why would the average user have to care about there not being a root password?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan it would probably be useful if they did stick in the multiverse repositories, while commenting them out, certainly
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> crimsun: well when you tell them to edit apt/sources.list for one. The first thing most people will try to do is su.
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> crimsun: I'm not saying they need to enable it, just have a screen that notifies people.
[01:49] <crimsun> LeeJunFan: err, there should be gui utilities for that.
[01:49] <drgayus> su. doesnt work in my shell... i use sudo
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> hehe, see.
[01:50] <KaoticEvil> lol
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey KaoticEvil :)
[01:50] <KaoticEvil> hey Hobbsee :)
[01:51] <tarheelcoxn> KaoticEvil: find something missing from the wiki
[01:51] <KaoticEvil> tarheelcoxn: lol... i said a project :P not a job :P
[01:51] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: neither, i'm still looking for bugs in this rc, and am not finding any lol
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: delete your pr0n by accident did you? :)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> upgrade to dapper?
[01:52] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: would you believe ive never had a pr0n collection? nor any pr0n on my computer(s)
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, clinton didn't inhale either :)
[01:52] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: lol.. but im serious tho
[01:53] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: nah, I beleive ya.
[01:53] <KaoticEvil> i got DVD's for that :P
[01:53] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[01:53] <LeeJunFan> :D
[01:53] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: notice i said on my computer(s).. nothing about IRL ;) :P
[01:53] <KaoticEvil> im more into MP3's :P
[01:54] <KaoticEvil> im half tempted to try rc1 again... but after what happened last nite... im scared :P
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I'm tempted to see if xdmcp works with rc1.
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> heh
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: that library project I'm working on is going to have a bastard gdm login to get to kde if it doesn't get a fix within a month.
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> oh, i do need to configure apacje...
[01:55] <KaoticEvil> apache2* even
[01:56] <KaoticEvil> lol @ gdm login
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hehehehe
[01:57] <Hobbsee> no, very definetly a girl lol
[01:57] <KaoticEvil> good to know...
[01:57] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:57] <tarheelcoxn> bah... gender is overrated
[01:57] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:57] <KaoticEvil> how the hell did i get sudo to remember my password?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> and it's mostly males on here
[01:57] <tarheelcoxn> :P
[01:57] <tarheelcoxn> KaoticEvil: ??
[01:57] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: sudo -s?
[01:58] <KaoticEvil> yeah, thats it.. i think heh
[01:58] <tarheelcoxn> once you've used it, you should be able to continue using it within the next five minutes or so without having to retype
[01:58] <tarheelcoxn> but why would you want it to not time out?
[01:58] <KaoticEvil> tarheelcoxn: well, on my previous install, i typed it like 5 times, and never had to type it again
[01:59] <tarheelcoxn> o.0
[01:59] <tarheelcoxn> security risk
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> was kinda nice, actually
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: it's got a timeout - 15 seconds I think.
[01:59] <KaoticEvil> care*
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: or you can edit your sudoers file so you never need to type a password for sudo again.
[02:00] <KaoticEvil> yup, just thought of that ;)
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: which is what I've done.
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I figure if someone guesses my user password once, the second time will probably present little challenge anyway :)
[02:01] <thoreauputic> LeeJunFan: just don't walk away without locking your screen ;)
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> where is it tho? locate doesnt find it
[02:02] <thoreauputic> KaoticEvil: run  sudo visudo to edit sudoers
[02:02] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok
[02:02] <LeeJunFan> thoreauputic: well honestly having my user files erased would be so devistating that having to re-install would be of little concern at that point :)
[02:02] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: hows that KDE 3.5 RC1 doing?
[02:02] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: not me man. :)
[02:02] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: not yet anyway.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> bah, go and try it
[02:02] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:02] <kkathman> yah heard about a few bumps
[02:02] <Hobbsee> not here, but for other people, yeah
[02:03] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering if it's a problem from upgrading from beta2
[02:03] <kkathman> Hobbsee: you just told me you had a crash :)
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: could be. arts works?
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> yeah!
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> lol
[02:03] <Hobbsee> well, i did just have a crash, but it crahed kalarm once, not the entire kde repeatedly
[02:04] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: it does indeed, from here - didtn have to configure it at all
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> might be problems related to some existing settings too, whenever I upgrad kde and have issues, I always rename my .kde dir to something else and try with fresh kde settings to see if they are still there.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> could be
[02:07] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[02:07] <Hobbsee> you can judge for yourself...
[02:08] <KaoticEvil> ok, ive found what i need to add... but where do i add it? :(
[02:08] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: add to waht?
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: yeah, I read that.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> i just added to it
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: awe crap. I'm gonna have to get it.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:08] <KaoticEvil> sudoers... im trying to set passwd_timeout to 0
[02:09] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: do, it's fun
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: hrm, kalarm is something I use often.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: with sound?
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> I wish I could relocate the installation and have both stable and devel, mandrake did that once.
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: yeah, I use it to remind me of my appointments.
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: I could probably live with just the pop-ups.
[02:11] <KaoticEvil> ah, there it is.. sudo -l
[02:11] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:12] <KaoticEvil> cool :)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:13] <Hobbsee> didnt take very long to upgrade, i found yesterday
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> I'm not worried about how long it takes to update, I'm more worried about how long it will take me to downgrade if it doesn't work well enough :)
[02:14] <Hobbsee> true lol
[02:14] <KaoticEvil> it took me about 3 hours ;)
[02:14] <kkathman> LOL LeeJunFan  :)
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> ^c
[02:14] <Hobbsee> *shrugs* - a reinstall - not that long
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> yay!
[02:18] <KaoticEvil> ?
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:18] <LeeJunFan>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5-rc1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb
[02:18] <KaoticEvil> LOL!
[02:18] <KaoticEvil> thats always good ;)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: and the rest of the error?
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> goody for me! Pray louder next time!
[02:19] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: the goddess is mad at me :(
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: apt doesn't say I'll have to dpkg it manually.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> is that all it gives you?
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> yep.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> what about the bit just above it?
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> so I dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5-rc1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb and it just works.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> okay, it's installed. If I'm not back within say 2 mins just put year ear to the ground and you might be able to hear me shooting my computer. :)
[02:21] <KaoticEvil> lol
[02:21] <KaoticEvil> hmmmm... *kills apache2*
[02:23] <KaoticEvil> w00t
[02:23] <KaoticEvil> wb LeeJunFan :)
[02:23] <KaoticEvil> hows it look?
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> no, wait!
[02:23] <KaoticEvil> ?
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> black.
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> when I put my mouse over an icon, kwin restarts.
[02:23] <KaoticEvil> black? 
[02:23] <KaoticEvil> oh, ouch
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> well at least arts is still working.
[02:24] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[02:24] <KaoticEvil> just dont use any icons :P
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I can open my trashcan with cervisia, I can see how that can be useful - not.
[02:24] <KaoticEvil> lol
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> only desktop icons do that, there's also a hangtime after kde starts before it displays any icons, and it seems to take a long time to initialize trash:/
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> lemme start a new session with another user.
[02:25] <KaoticEvil> does apt-get support wildcards?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> LOL
[02:26] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: i think so
[02:26] <Hobbsee> try it
[02:26] <KaoticEvil> i am
[02:26] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: clearly that's a good reason not to have desktop icons, but add it to the wiki
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> well, a new user doesn't have the desktop icon crash.
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> someone already did I though.
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> now I'm gonna spend all night narrowing down which feature it is :) thanks.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> didnt see the long time in initializing trash:/ though
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: do you have the trash thing on your taskbar?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> no
[02:27] <Hobbsee> oh...that's what you meant
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: yeah, it opens up a window like a file copy progress window.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ooh, weird trashcan
[02:29] <KaoticEvil> my file copy progress windows aint pretty no more :(
[02:31] <KaoticEvil> ok..
[02:31] <KaoticEvil> im gonna try it
[02:31] <KaoticEvil> *again*
[02:31] <KaoticEvil> someone say a prayer for me...
[02:33] <KaoticEvil> o.o jsubl2 
[02:36] <Hobbsee> good luck KaoticEvil 
[02:36] <Hobbsee> gotta go to work...
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> so I'll see everyone at KA tomorrow. (KDE'ers Anonymous) :)
[02:37] <KaoticEvil> lol LeeJunFan 
[02:37] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: how did you fix that error you got? use dpkg to manually install the package?
[02:38] <kkathman> lol
[02:38] <kkathman> KDEers Anonymous :)
[02:39] <LeeJunFan> Well, since I know the icon mouseover doesn't crash on a new user I'll go rename my ./kde/share/apps/ dir, if that doesn't do it I'll move that back and rename my .kde/share/config dir, one of those has to contain the offending config file. Then I get to hit them a config file at a time until I find the one :)
[02:39] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah.
[02:39] <LeeJunFan> Back in a few.
[02:39] <KaoticEvil> ok
[02:40] <KaoticEvil> here we go...
[02:41] <firephoto> speaking of hear we go.. i wonder if that 10,000kg payload rocket made it aloft...
[02:42] <firephoto> nope... delayed.
[02:50] <kairu0> damn i love kde
[02:50] <kairu0> nothing against gnome, but kde makes it look like 1997
[03:00] <kkathman> toma_: have we made our mind up yet?
[03:08] <abhitux> HI!..Need to solve a query please
[03:27] <nybbz> hey, having problems with kubuntu installer... is it possible to resize NTFS partitions?
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> well, if you have the desktop crash when you move a mouse over an icon with rc1 - disable sound preview
[03:52] <dnB> can someone pls tell me how to make an application always load on startup?
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> dnB: put it in Autostart.
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> dnB: open konqueror and choose "go" from menu
[03:53] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: autostart???
[03:53] <kkathman> hmm...thought is was to put it in bashrc
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: yeah.
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: depends on the app, if it's a gui app you need it to start after kde.
[03:54] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: do you just put "go" in the address bar?
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: nope,it's a menu option in konq
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> yay! rc1 fixes xdmcp! :) remote kde logins work.
[03:54] <kkathman> hmm... I dont seem to see that in my menu option
[03:55] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: which option?? Location, Edit, View, Bookmarks, Tools, Settings, Help?
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> location edit view go bookmarks
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> huh.
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> how can that be. hehe
[03:55] <sampan> my konq doesn't have "go" either on the menu bar
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> I'm special.
[03:56] <sampan> location -- edit -- view -- bookmarks --tools -- settings -- help
[03:56] <kkathman> uhm... ok...Im kinda lost where to get this GO
[03:57] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: please help, and dont mock....thats not very nice :(
[03:57] <firephoto> your home folder.......~/.kde/Autostart
[03:57] <dnB> hrm
[03:57] <dnB> thanks guys
[03:57] <dnB> apparently its already in init.d
[03:58] <kkathman> sorry dnB usually people are more helpful
[03:58] <dnB> no sarcasm ;) thanks anyways
[03:58] <kkathman> thank you firephoto
[03:58] <dnB> but the problem is that it seems that it needs to have squid already running or it quits, and it boots before squid, no how i can change this?
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: I'm telling you I have "go"
[04:00] <kkathman> never mind
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> I have no idea how I got it.
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> I've always had it. for years.
[04:01] <kkathman> Perhaps you could figure out how that got there.
[04:01] <LeeJunFan> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-79676.html
[04:02] <KaoticEvil> do i need to close everything down before i install rc1?
[04:03] <firephoto> How the "go" got there? its always been a konq menu item...
[04:03] <kkathman> not in mine
[04:03] <firephoto> location?
[04:04] <kkathman> ?
[04:04] <firephoto> nevermind.....
[04:04] <firephoto> it's the super simpled simple browser mode.. ;)
[04:05] <firephoto> normal mode is mia from what i see within konq on kubuntu
[04:05] <kkathman> well I use konq solely as a file manager anyway
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> apparently in the threads discussing "go" it was removed by kubuntu(?) to dumb down konqueror so it's simpler for the simple minded. :(((  That's the kind of shit that made me leave mandrake.
[04:06] <firephoto> hmm really takes away from konq in file mode... oh well.
[04:08] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i got the same error you did...
[04:09] <KaoticEvil> ok, that did it.. here we go... brb
[04:10] <kkathman> even if you put the "go" option on a toolbar, doesnt seem to do anything when you click it ??
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: that's not the right one in the location bar.
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: there's an actual "go" menu entry.
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> I hope he did apt-get upgrade again after dpkg or he's only got about a 1/2 installed kde.
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> I think this link better shows how to get the menus back to kde default http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79941
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> I guess I'll have to rm .kde from /etc/skel so new users get default stuff. not neutered stuff. I hope this isn't a beginnging to a trend.
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> okay, no .kde there.
[04:20] <LeeJunFan> must just be when you create the user on install, lucky for me I've been using the same /home dir for about 8 years now :)
[04:20] <kkathman> shrug
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> I see kaotic isn't back yet :( Anyone else know how else to get in touch with him?
[04:52] <KaoticEvil> well, this sucks.
[04:53] <KaoticEvil> installed KDE3.2rc1.. and i cant get it to start as my old user account :(
[04:54] <KaoticEvil> it starts fine when i login as root, or if i create a new user account
[04:55] <firephoto> KaoticEvil: it's probably some incompatible 3.4 settings in ~/.kde
[05:00] <eric_> can someone help me get the jvm working?
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell eric_ about java
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: I'm not having any reall issues now that I turned off sound previews in konq.
[05:03] <KaoticEvil> hey LeeJunFan...
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hey, get my e-mail? :)
[05:03] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: no..?
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> not kao@?
[05:03] <KaoticEvil> no, sorry :(
[05:03] <KaoticEvil> kaoticevil@gmail.com ;)
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> owell, I guessed. I send to kao@classicnet.net :)
[05:04] <KaoticEvil> ive got a problem with rc1 tho..
[05:04] <KaoticEvil> when i startx it just drops back to the console screen
[05:04] <KaoticEvil> no errors.. just dies
[05:05] <KaoticEvil> i logged in as root, and it works fine... i created a enw user and it works fine... wtf?
[05:05] <KaoticEvil> new*
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: have you rebooted?
[05:05] <firephoto> still* sounds like .kde issues.
[05:05] <KaoticEvil> no
[05:05] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: should i?
[05:05] <firephoto> cp you .kde to something else and nuke it.
[05:06] <KaoticEvil> ok
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: shouldn't need to, I wonder if it might be a tmp or xauth problem, though I think I'd start with mv $HOME/.kde $HOME/.kde.bak and try logging in.
[05:06] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: ill try that...
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you should log out first, and do the mv from console.
[05:07] <firephoto> if you mv/cp you .kde the tmp folders will still be in /tmp and /var/tmp so those might need cleaned.
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: so your kde doesn't just save the bad settings again when you log out.
[05:07] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: im logged in as root (i know, i know...)
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: did you sudo -s to become root?
[05:08] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: no, ive enabled root login from the console
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: okay.
[05:08] <KaoticEvil> for just this reason ;)
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I was going to say, if you did that then you might end up with files in your ~ that are owned by root, and need to chown -R kao /home/kdo
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> kao that is.
[05:09] <firephoto> he'll have a .kde in /root/
[05:09] <KaoticEvil> firephoto: thats fine.. it works fine wheni login as root..
[05:09] <KaoticEvil> ok, brb
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> firephoto: yeah, but sudo keeps your environment, so if he started startx within sudo it would probably use his user home dir.
[05:10] <firephoto> i'm pretty sure he has a root account.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> which he didn't apparently anyway.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> right.
[05:11] <firephoto> otherwise "root" wouldn't be any different that "user" as far as starting kde goes. (with sudo)((if it even would work))
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> firephoto: well, except that it could change perms/owership on file sin there and when he tried to login as that user it wouldn't be able to read/write them.
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> that's what happens sometimes to the files in /var/tmp and /tmp when running kde apps from sudo.
[05:13] <firephoto> that's why there's kdesu...
[05:13] <firephoto> to me sudo only applies to using apps you would use in a root console.
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> firephoto: yep.
[05:14] <firephoto> if i want to launch a gui i use alt+f2
[05:15] <firephoto> i see some advantages to using sudo to make things a little simpler but it doesn't seem to be locked down enough so you can't sudo something you don't need to.
[05:18] <KaoticEvil> ok.. it still doesnt work.. but at least now i get an error :)
[05:18] <lordnynex> Im having some problems with gcc
[05:18] <crimsun> lordnynex: have you installed 'build-essential'?
[05:18] <lordnynex> everything i try to compile says gcc can not make executables
[05:18] <KaoticEvil> xauth: error in lockling authority file /home/kao/.Xauthority
[05:19] <KaoticEvil> how do i unlock it? :)
[05:19] <lordnynex> is this a simple fix?
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: remove it.
[05:19] <lordnynex> crimsun: I believe so.. let me double check
[05:19] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: just delete it?
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I had the same problem getting remote kdm working today.
[05:20] <KaoticEvil> permission denied :(
[05:20] <KaoticEvil> do i need to sudo rm... ?
[05:20] <gdh> If you can't delete a dot-file in your own homedir, then hell yeh something is broken :)
[05:20] <firephoto> heh
[05:20] <gdh> sudo rm .Xauthority for sure
[05:20] <KaoticEvil> no kidding lol
[05:20] <lordnynex> crimsun: apparently I dont.. will this install fix my problem?
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: actually - that's the problem, it's owned by root :) you did sudo to run startx didn't you at some point? :)
[05:20] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: no, never
[05:21] <KaoticEvil> i know better than that ;)
[05:21] <troth> does anyone know of a tutorial i can read about how to use the alien command?
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: just sudo chown -R kao .Xauthority
[05:21] <firephoto> it probably just got locked from the session getting killed.
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> ls -l .Xauthority and see what the perms are on it.
[05:21] <KaoticEvil> i already deleted it :(
[05:22] <KaoticEvil> all the other files in /home/kao are owned by me tho..
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> good, see if you can login now.
[05:23] <KaoticEvil> k.. brb
[05:24] <troth> does anyone know where i can read about the alien command?
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> troth: man alien
[05:24] <troth> k
[05:25] <KaoticEvil> still no joy :(
[05:26] <KaoticEvil> i type startx and it gives me a CR/LF, and then just stops...
[05:26] <KaoticEvil> but if i create a new user, it logs in just fine...
[05:26] <firephoto> KaoticEvil: you don't use the kdm? (or whatever the login manager is)
[05:27] <KaoticEvil> firephoto: im stuck at the console
[05:27] <firephoto> i know... so maybe kdm(?) is running?
[05:27] <KaoticEvil> i dont know...
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: pidof kdm
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> yup, its running.. sudo kill <pid> ?
[05:28] <firephoto>  just restart kdm
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> ... how?
[05:28] <LeeJunFan>  /etc/inti.d/kdm restart
[05:28] <firephoto> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart    should do it i think
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> yeah, what he said.
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> oh, duh.. same as restarting samba or apache.. ok
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> sudo invoke-rc.d kdm restart does the same thing, no?
[05:29] <KaoticEvil> firephoto: heh.. no
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: after you did the manual dpkg did you run apt-get upgrade again?
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: there were still packages that needed to finish installing after that.
[05:29] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: yes, and it found like 25 packages that werent isntalled...
[05:29] <KaoticEvil> 25 or 29 or some shit..
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> okay.
[05:29] <KaoticEvil> installed*
[05:30] <KaoticEvil> ok, well, lets restart kdm and see what happens.. :)
[05:39] <KaoticEvil> WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <KaoticEvil> i got it! :D
[05:39] <KaoticEvil> i even managed to save all my settings...
[05:40] <KaoticEvil> im not sure what happened... let alone why... but i fixed it :)
[05:40] <KaoticEvil> somehow, /home/kao got owned by root (no, i did *not* sudo startx)... but all the files INSIDE it were still owned by me
[05:41] <KaoticEvil> so i chown -R kao:kao /home/kao
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: that wouldn't have done that anyway.
[05:41] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: ok.. lol i dont know :P
[05:41] <KaoticEvil> but its working now :)
[05:42] <KaoticEvil> im missing some of my app icons next to the K menu.. but thats minor...
[05:44] <KaoticEvil> man.. a failure like that in windows... wow....
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: what? you don't like using a text mode registry editor? :)
[05:47] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: no, if it was what i think happened... a registry editor wouldnt ahve done anthing...
[05:49] <KaoticEvil> lets see if arts works ;)
[05:49] <KaoticEvil> cool :) sound :)
[05:52] <KaoticEvil> oooo... i like that :)
[05:52] <KaoticEvil> anyone know of a app that sits in the tray and monitors eth(x) activity?
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> knetload I think
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> nope, that's not it.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> yeah it is. apt-get install knetload
[05:54] <KaoticEvil> ty :)
[05:54] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: did you resend that email?
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> no, it was just about making sure you did apt-get upgrade again after dpkg.
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: took you a long time to come back and I got worried that was why :)
[05:56] <KaoticEvil> worst case scenario, i would have reinstalled ;)
[05:57] <kairu0> hey all
[05:59] <KaoticEvil> hi kairu0 
[06:01] <kairu0> hey KaoticEvil 
[06:02] <KaoticEvil> i will say this, so far rc1 seems a bit faster... and on my machine, every little bit counts :)
[06:02] <kairu0> cool
[06:02] <kairu0> i havent tried it yet
[06:14] <KaoticEvil> rc1 modified my fstab?!
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hrm, mine is untouched.
[06:15] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: it changed my CDROM options... and my flashdrive...
[06:16] <KaoticEvil> it moved it from /home/kao to /media/sda
[06:16] <KaoticEvil> and it put rw on my cdrom,
[06:23] <Echostorm> Hi everyone.  I am having trouble installing Kubuntu.  It freezes at the "Detecting Network Hardware" screen with the progress bar at 0%.
[06:25] <Echostorm> I'm on a Gateway M275 laptop with a Intel PRO/100 VE integrated network adapter
[06:25] <Echostorm> any ideas?
[06:29] <KaoticEvil> ok, where is apache1.3?
[06:29] <KaoticEvil> its not in the repos...
[06:29] <KaoticEvil> only apache2 :(
[06:32] <troth> how do i add a program to the k menu?
[06:34] <KaoticEvil> troth: kmenuedit
[06:34] <KaoticEvil> you can also use kappfinder to search for non-kde apps that arent in the menu
[06:34] <troth> ok i see
[06:35] <KaoticEvil> :)
[06:38] <LeeJunFan> Echostorm: how long did you wait?
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> Echostorm: nevermind, I thought you said detecting network settings, not hardware.
[06:40] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: is there a command that lists all PID's?
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> ps
[06:40] <propagandhi> Echostorm: does your laptop have a kill switch so to speak for the wireless
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> err ps x
[06:40] <KaoticEvil> wow.. that did it! lol
[06:41] <KaoticEvil> ok.. i need to find me a good C++ IDE for learning :)
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> 'ps x | wc -l' will tell you how many processes you have running.
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> kdevlope
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> kdelvelop I mean. damn I can't type, must be tired.
[06:42] <KaoticEvil> heh
[06:42] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: dont worry about it, i can usually translate typo on-the-fly ;)
[06:43] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: is it a RAD IDE?
[06:43] <LeeJunFan> anyway, what I said first - only without the last 'e' :)
[06:44] <LeeJunFan> I was a teen in the 80
[06:44] <LeeJunFan> I was a teen in the 80's - I think we have differnt meanings for RAD :)
[06:44] <crimsun> that is -totally- rad
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: lol.. i mean Rapid Application Development
[06:45] <LeeJunFan> that's it :) I even used to freestyle BMX.
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i wasnt quite a teen in the 80's, but ive used rad in that manner as well ;)
[06:46] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I think you'll find kdevelop fit's both definitions :p
[06:47] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: lol
[06:48] <KaoticEvil> uh oh.. konqi crashed :(
[06:48] <KaoticEvil> it wasnt even open?!
[06:49] <KaoticEvil> where/how can/do i report it?
[06:50] <kairu0> hey all
[06:51] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: it wasn't your desktop was it?
[06:51] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: can you point at icons on your desktop with your mouse w/o your desktop crashing?
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: can you point at icons on your desktop with your mouse w/o your desktop crashing?
[06:55] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: yeah
[06:55] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: how/where do i report crashes?
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I don't know if the rc is setup on bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org yet or not, prob just the wiki.
[06:56] <KaoticEvil> wiki.kubuntu.org ?
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[06:57] <KaoticEvil> ty :) *booksmarks it*
[06:57] <KaoticEvil> take an "s" outta there somewhere... heh
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> Don't bother unless you can 1. recreate the problem and preferably 2. give details on errors you get.
[06:57] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[06:58] <KaoticEvil> well, i loaded adept, was looking for the kdevelop packages, and konqi (which wasnt even open) crashed...
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: typing with a lisp are we? now that's gay :)
[06:58] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: :P byte me
[06:58] <KaoticEvil> no, typing with fat fingers :P
[06:59] <KaoticEvil> :P
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> lol
[06:59] <KaoticEvil> my g/f would agree with me ;)
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> ! KaoticEvil
[06:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kaoticevil is gay.
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> :O
[07:00] <kairu0> ubotu, i knew that
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> haha
[07:00] <ubotu> kairu0: What?
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> ! LeeJunFan 
[07:00] <kairu0> oops i talked to a bot
[07:00] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, leejunfan is a handsome genius! you can e-mail him at jason@skycon.net if you want to.
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> :O
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> jason?!
[07:00] <kairu0> i dont buy that
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> hahah!
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: your name is jason?
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> I was so ready for that!
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> cool :>
[07:00] <JasonM> :)
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I noticed that when you came on earlier.
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> heh cool
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> i wish i could lazarus working tho :(
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> i already *know* OP...
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> i dont want to have to learn a whole new language...
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: just one? learn a few.
[07:03] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: in time, my son.. in time :P
[07:03] <KaoticEvil> for the moment, i just want to knock up a quick app to say i wrote an app for linux :P
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I used to be like that, then I realized that w/o having a real goal in mind I couldn't finish anything. hehe
[07:03] <KaoticEvil> C is *out* tho.. C++.. ok, i guess... i *really* want to find an OP IDE that works tho...
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> C is not out... the kernel is C.
[07:04] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: im not learning C :P
[07:04] <KaoticEvil> because im not gonna ever code for the kernel :P
[07:05] <KaoticEvil> im going to focus *exclusively* on X apps :P
[07:05] <KaoticEvil> im lazy... i like OOP :P
[07:05] <LeeJunFan> learn python :) you can code stuff that works on all platforms with gui's and all.
[07:05] <KaoticEvil> well, not exclusively X apps.. im going cross-platform..
[07:05] <LeeJunFan> python has libs for QT and gtk as well. So python apps can look just like any KDE app.
[07:06] <KaoticEvil> yeah, i saw those... but really, python isnt a programming language.. its more a scripting language ;)
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: granted python is an interpreted language so you don't want to write 3d games in it. :)
[07:06] <KaoticEvil> lol
[07:06] <KaoticEvil> i dont want to write 3d games anyway ;)
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: there's a very fine line between scripting and anything else any more other than the compiler, and there are even compilers for some things considered scripting langs. you'd be amazed at the stuff I've done with bash.
[07:08] <KaoticEvil> heh.. maybe... ive done some amazing things with BAT files ;)
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: it's sad really, I find that I can do so much stuff in bash that I don't bother doing stuff in other languages, and I'm getting rusty doing heavier programming.
[07:09] <KaoticEvil> im rusty as hell on my delphi :( i cant find my CD... havent been able to code anything for over a year
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> I've done C, Assembly, tcl/tk, perl (which I hate with a passion and my brain blocked it out), php/mysql, basic, python, and I know I'm forgetting something.
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> yeah, something == how to program in any of those. eheh
[07:10] <LeeJunFan> The only thing I've done any work in recently is php/mysql, bash, and python.
[07:10] <KaoticEvil> basic (with several variants, VB, QB, GWB, TIB), delphi... i havent moved into php/MySQL...
[07:11] <KaoticEvil> and i have written a few *small* apps in C++....nothing impressive tho.. a "hello world" and a basic calculator
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: no need to if you don't do web apps, although mysql is useful in so many ways other than just web.
[07:11] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: well, i want to learn it just so i know it
[07:11] <KaoticEvil> i like learning new things...
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> I'm a C programmer at heart, but I don't have any need to write anything in C. My C programming is so far and few between that I have to refresh myself on pointers and dereferencing every time I do it.
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> :p
[07:12] <KaoticEvil> oh, hey.. COOL... KDevelop has headers for FreePascal! yay! *does a happy dance*
[07:13] <LeeJunFan> a happy dance? :-/
[07:14] <KaoticEvil> oh :P
[07:14] <KaoticEvil> i *like* OP
[07:15] <KaoticEvil> hmmm...
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: how fast is your internet connection?
[07:15] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: 256/128 :(
[07:15] <KaoticEvil> i live in a town with 2 stoplights.. dont guess i should complain, eh?
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: we have 4 :)
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: check your gmail in a min.
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> I actually live 5 miles outside of town, I wouldn't have fast internet here if I didn't own the wireless ISP I get service from :)
[07:27] <firephoto> i had wireless at first. put up with the morons for a year... :( dsl now.
[07:28] <LeeJunFan> firephoto: yeah, there are a lot of hacks out there doing wireless and screwing it up.
[07:28] <LeeJunFan> firephoto: what they don't realize is all their networking knowledge doesn't mean d*ck if they dont know RF.
[07:28] <firephoto> i think their network worked better for all the zombie pc's rather than the users who needed some b/w
[07:29] <firephoto> that and they didn't understand the concept of me wanting all my email and it not being filtered. :(
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> firephoto: yeah, that too. We keep a tight watch on our bandwidth use, and if something goes out of the ordinary we usually catch it pretty quick and put a stop to it.
[07:29] <firephoto> they expected me to have spam coming in... .. apparanly "everyone" has spam... lol
[07:30] <firephoto> it was kind of funny though.. I could forward this one email from hotmail without issues. same exact email forwarded from an netscape account would get blackholed.
[07:30] <LeeJunFan> firephoto: yeah, I'm the same way, I want to know what I'm missing. It's tough to have an ISP that filters spam and IP ports, etc.. hard to diagnose stuff.
[07:31] <firephoto> they would always tell me they "fixed" my email... I don't know that it ever worked good. finally just paid for a yahoo pop3 and never looked back. gmail is pretty reliable now though...
[07:32] <firephoto> makes me wonder why i'm still paying for yahoo.. but it's not like it's that much. lol
[07:33] <firephoto> the local utility district that has the fiber here does wireless too. they aren't much smarter.. they said even if they did do direct fiber hookups the speed would be the same as the wireless hookup. lol
[07:33] <LeeJunFan> yeah, bandwidth in rural areas is expensive.
[07:33] <firephoto> there's no less than 4 fiber trunk lines here.... ;)
[07:34] <LeeJunFan> We get T1's here for about $700/ea, compare that to the telco here selling 3Mbit DSL for $80/mo
[07:34] <LeeJunFan> Hard to make a profit competing against that.
[07:34] <firephoto> verizon has atleast 2, maybe 3, some other telco has one, then the utilities.
[07:34] <LeeJunFan> we just shifted our focus to areas that can't get DSL.
[07:35] <firephoto> they utility uses motorola gear.. pretty expensive deployments.
[07:35] <firephoto> the one isp that had wireless first uses smartbridges
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> yeah, we've got a neighbor WISP (wireless ISP) that uses that stuff to the tune of about $600 per client. Compared to our modified 802.11 gear that moves way more bandwidth for about $150/mo, but then we know what we are doing. :)
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> firephoto: smartbridges has some issues. A lot of wisps stopped using those.
[07:37] <firephoto> yeah i think mine went t-u right near the end of my service with them. wouldn't hold a connection very good.
[07:38] <firephoto> i didn't want to reset it and freak them out. (they never locked me out of it so i could log in as user to "look")
[07:38] <LeeJunFan> right now at my house I've got a linksys wrt54G router running linux connected to a 24dBi gain dish which is pointing at a repeater tower of our 2 miles from my house. :)
[07:39] <LeeJunFan> we don't have any linksys setups like that at clients, but I'm seriously evaluating it. Been using it here for about 2-3 months.
[07:39] <LeeJunFan> A lot to be said for having a linux router at each client location. Ton's of possibilities.
[07:40] <firephoto> keeps the nasties off the network I imagine.
[07:40] <acc__> Hi #Kubuntu.  I'm trying to install 5.10 and it bombs during the software installation step with "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1).  Check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log for the details."  Opening a vty and looking in the /target/var/log directory reveals that the directory is entirely empty!  How can I find out what went wrong?  Thanks.
[07:41] <LeeJunFan> yeah, and if the client router has tcpdump on it we can even tell them which computer on their network is doing the viral stuff even behind NAT.
[07:41] <Lathiat> acc__: check alt+f3/alt+f4 often caused by an error on your install CD
[07:41] <Lathiat> acc__: bad burn/bad disk/etc
[07:42] <acc__> Lathiat: Probably bad HDD or bad ISO then.  I'm getting the same result from 2 CDs I've burnt.
[07:43] <LeeJunFan> so that's verizon you are on now that doesn't know how to setup reverse DNS?
[07:43] <firephoto> LeeJunFan: what are you running on that linksys for firmware?
[07:43] <acc__> Lathiat: hmm...  how to scroll up/down in vty?
[07:43] <LeeJunFan> openwrt
[07:44] <Lathiat> acc__: try burning at a lower speed
[07:45] <acc__> Lathiat: Looks like sr0 is at fault.
[07:45] <LeeJunFan> Lathiat: that's what it's going to say if it can't read the CD.
[07:45] <LeeJunFan> err, acc__ I mean.
[07:46] <acc__> LeeJunFan: sr0 is the CD?  interesting...
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> acc__: yeah, sr0 sda scd0, hehe
[07:46] <acc__> LeeJunFan: The HDD is going to be hdx, even if it's SATA, yes?
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> oh, no - sda woudln't be.
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> hdhd
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> acc__: that I don't know. I've never used SATA.
[07:47] <acc__> I've checked the MD5 hash of the ISO, so it's a safe bet that the ISO file is good...
[07:47] <acc__> I'll try burning at a lower speed ;-)
[07:47] <LeeJunFan> acc__: you should be able to md5 the CD too.
[07:48] <Lathiat> md5ing he cd is dodgy tho
[07:48] <Lathiat> you have to do it right
[07:48] <Lathiat> oterhwise you get a bit of buffer off the end
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> acc__: but it can be tricky.
[07:48] <Lathiat> and it wont match
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> right.
[07:48] <james_> is there any way to get MS Exchange mail in kontact/kmail?
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> have to use isoinfo to get real block size and count, then dd to read it and pipe to md5 :) sounds like fun right? 
[07:50] <The_Vox> james_: evolution only, AFAIK, unless you configure MSEx to allow pop3'ing
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> acc__: might mean it's time to take a q-tip to your CD-reader/writer lens too.
[07:51] <acc__> LeeJunFan: brand new computer ;-))
[07:51] <james_> grr.. stupid exchange
[07:52] <acc__> Lathiat: Any suggestions of what speed to burn the CD at?
[07:52] <Lathiat> 8 or 16
[07:52] <LeeJunFan> james_: there are tricky ways around it. Would involve setting up imap mail on linux, have your exchange mail copy to that, then you can use kmail to read imap :)
[07:53] <acc__> Lathiat: I'm doing 8, thanks.
[07:53] <james_> sheesh
[07:53] <KaoticEvil> wtf?
[07:53] <LeeJunFan> james_: or if you have a fast connection and your isp supports imap just use that.
[07:54] <KaoticEvil> "srecord - Manipulate EPROM load files" on apt-cache search
[07:54] <KaoticEvil> wtf is that about?
[07:55] <firephoto> james_: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim/kresources/exchange/
[07:55] <firephoto> there's some code but it's not complete apparently.
[07:56] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: email received.. tyvm :)
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> np.
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you check it out yet?
[07:57] <KaoticEvil> mind if i add you to my messenger? and no, i was afk.. about to do so
[07:57] <LeeJunFan> yeah, go ahead.
[07:57] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: my yahoo im is flakey, I'm running a CVS version of SIM.
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> hehe, of course that's the one you have.
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: that worked well enough, main problem is adding yahoo clients.
[07:59] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i used the official deb pacakge..
[07:59] <KaoticEvil> works great for me :)
[07:59] <OsireS> Hi all, have a quick question .. all of a sudden my system takes forever to get through the line "Staring hotplug subsystem" any ideas how I can diagnose what the problem is?
[08:00] <KaoticEvil> of course, i have 2 other ID's signed in with kopete :P
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> I locked up X today and had to hard reset my machine, and ext3 or not, I lost my damn kopeterc and accounts are all gone from it, being I had sim and was involved in getting xdmcp working I just went back to that for now.
[08:00] <KaoticEvil> heh.. whats xdmcp ?
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> remote X.
[08:00] <KaoticEvil> oh, cool
[08:01] <gigcs> hi i have question
[08:01] <KaoticEvil> gigcs: ask away :)
[08:01] <gigcs> gpg key 
[08:02] <LeeJunFan> thin clients. I've got a library to setup soon with them, going to have one server and 25+ workstations, but the workstations are just going to have a kernel and X, no kde etc... They'll just connect to the X server and all the applications and data will be run/stored at the server.
[08:02] <KaoticEvil> wow
[08:02] <gigcs> recomplie ubuntu-keyring
[08:02] <gigcs> i don't sign key
[08:03] <KaoticEvil> that reminds me.. i need to upload my key...
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, very nice. I will never have to mess with those workstations, everythign will be at the server. they will just be remote displays and keyboards, and when I update the server some day to dapper all the workstations will have dapper too. :)
[08:03] <OsireS> Sorry to be pain but anybody have any ideas?
[08:04] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: thats kickass...
[08:04] <KaoticEvil> and that is also what i would call TRUE extensibility :)
[08:04] <gigcs> don't upload not recomplie ubuntu-keyring
[08:04] <gigcs> yes or no
[08:04] <KaoticEvil> wtf was i going to do? :|
[08:05] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: sorry man, never really messed with it much, how long does it take? It's not uncommon to take 8-15 seconds on hotplug.
[08:05] <jepcubed> so I hate to start a flame war, but I do have a question.  Why shoud I pick Kubuntu or Ubuntu? I know one is Gnome, one is KDE, but is that.  I have used FreeBSD for servers and such, but I really would like to look at getting aways from XP on my desktop.  This also means I have to teach my wife how to use it.  Is KDE going to be a better migration?
[08:06] <KaoticEvil> jepcubed: in my opinion, KDE is the more "windows-ish" between K and Gnome
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> jepcubed: ubuntu/kubuntu is just the starting point, after you have the system installed you can install ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop and have both, so you can find out which one is best for your needs.
[08:06] <KaoticEvil> jepcubed: and btw, the only difference between Kubuntu and ubuntu is KDE and Gnome
[08:06] <OsireS> LeeJunFan: Its about 20-30 seconds but when I installed initially it used to be about 5, now after an arb reboot its suddenly way slower
[08:06] <jepcubed> KaoticEvil, so the base systems are the same correct
[08:07] <KaoticEvil> jepcubed: yup :)
[08:07] <KaoticEvil> the only difference that im aware of is the window manager
[08:07] <OsireS> But if thats the norm I'll just stick it out, its annoying cause kubunutu was booting faster than my XP box ;-)
[08:07] <KaoticEvil> err. desktop environment
[08:08] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: do you have any new hardware installed? maybe something as simple as a joystick, keyboard, memstick?
[08:08] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: do you have several hotplug devices?
[08:08] <OsireS> KaoticEvil: What constitues a hotplug device?
[08:09] <gigcs> i remastering  distro ubuntu and i test install error apt step fail.
[08:09] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: im not sure on what the linux kernel defines as hotplug, but the way i define it is USB and/or firewire devices...
[08:09] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: anything that can safely be plugged in or unplugged while the system is running.
[08:09] <LeeJunFan> laptops can include the cd writer/rom
[08:09] <OsireS> KaoticEvil/LeeJunFan: Could it be an external harddrive that I had plugged in and then took out
[08:09] <KaoticEvil> anything that can be..... yeah.. what LeeJunFan said :P
[08:09] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: yup, could be.. its looking for it
[08:09] <OsireS> could it still be somehow looking for that drive even though its not there?
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: but I think hotplug searches all devices to determine which ones are hotplug, so even if you added a non hotplug dev it could take longer.
[08:10] <OsireS> :-) Awesome that at least gives me a starting point to dig around
[08:10] <gigcs> i have question
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: it should not be something that is not plugged in when you boot.
[08:10] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: i had somethinf similar happen the other day when i didnt have my flashdrive plugged in when i booted
[08:10] <OsireS> I figure a honours compsci student should at least be able to find something, otherwise whats the point of this piece of paper I just got
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: but you could just suspend to ram and never reboot :)
[08:11] <KaoticEvil> does that keep the uptime timer running? :P
[08:11] <acc__> Lathiat: mucho mas bueno.  gracias. ;-)
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, a few years ago I had a laptop with a 3 month uptime and I suspended it about 5 times a day.
[08:11] <OsireS> LeeJunFan: I wish, regretably one computer for family and they not too happy when windows isn't running. Its gonna be a slow process ;-)
[08:11] <KaoticEvil> lol
[08:12] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: tell em to learn linux or get their own :P
[08:12] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: but let me guess, you are the only one in the house who knows how to fix the computer when it get's loaded with spyware and viruses right?
[08:12] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: so if you go on strike.... What choice do they have?
[08:13] <OsireS> LeeJunFan: Linux firewall that the XP box sites behind + antivirus updated + Firefox ONLY usage
[08:13] <KaoticEvil> ya know.. its funny.. ive been running MS OS'es since DOS3.3... and i have *never* had a virus and/or spyware infection...
[08:13] <OsireS> No spyware for a while regretably, the stupid box won't break
[08:13] <OsireS> ;-p
[08:13] <KaoticEvil> LOL OsireS 
[08:14] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: install SP2 :P
[08:14] <KaoticEvil> that usually breaks it ;)
[08:14] <KaoticEvil> or drop the harddrive into a new mobo ;0
[08:14] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I've had a couple viruses on windows, and a little spyware and I have hardly used windows on my own systems for about 10 yrs.
[08:15] <LeeJunFan> ! windows
[08:15] <ubotu> it has been said that windows is unnecessary, everything runs in Linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office or find an !alternative, or what you remove to make room for kubuntu
[08:15] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[08:15] <OsireS> LOL
[08:16] <KaoticEvil> i think my cdrom is using PIO mode :|
[08:16] <OsireS> Still like my Call of Duty 2 and Civ 4 I'm afraid
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: it shoudl be.
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> err, no - udma
[08:17] <KaoticEvil> Windows is a 32-bit shell for a 16-bit kernel that runs on an 8-bit processor with a 4-bit sub-structure from a 2-bit company that doesnt know 1-bit about stability :)
[08:17] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: shoutld be PIO?! wtf?!
[08:17] <KaoticEvil> lol
[08:17] <OsireS> Also quick question how the hell do you get Firefox to obey the fonts used in KDE, it still has these ugly fonts that are 2 sizes too big
[08:17] <nalioth> OsireS: dont use firefox
[08:18] <nalioth> OsireS: firefox brings all it's own settings and decorations
[08:18] <gigcs> who know remaster ubuntu cd ? Please  answer me. 
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: loose definition of decorations there...
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> that's like saying peanuts and corn are turd jewelry.
[08:18] <nalioth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[08:18] <KaoticEvil> ROFL!!
[08:19] <nalioth> gigcs: see the URL i just posted
[08:19] <KaoticEvil> writes*
[08:19] <OsireS> Cool, I'll fight with it for a bit, I kinda like Firefox
[08:19] <insanekane> !windows
[08:19] <ubotu> I guess windows is unnecessary, everything runs in Linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office or find an !alternative, or what you remove to make room for kubuntu
[08:19] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: try konqueror :)
[08:20] <OsireS> Thanks a lot KaoticEvil and LeeJunFan for all the help
[08:20] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: np :)
[08:20] <gigcs>  ubuntu cd redistro install  not livecd.
[08:20] <OsireS> Given that I've now been converted from Suse to Kubunutu I'll be here more often ;-)
[08:20] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: anytime.
[08:21] <OsireS> Any advantage to using Konquerer over Firefox ... other than the fonts look right?
[08:21] <OsireS> before I leave figured I might ask
[08:21] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: its faster
[08:21] <nalioth> OsireS: use galeon instead, it's as configurable as you like, and has many features ootb, that ff does not
[08:21] <KaoticEvil> galeon? isnt that a gnome app?
[08:22] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: konqueror supports other protocols like webdav, ftp, fish, sftp, samba, etc... and file dragging/dropping. But firefox is more reliably going to display the pages right.
[08:22] <gigcs> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<H1 id="title"><A title="Click to do a full-text search for this title" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo?action=fullsearch&value=linkto%3A%22InstallCDCustomizationHowTo%22&context=180">InstallCDCustomizationHowTo</A></H1></body>
[08:22] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: galeon is a gtk app, yes
[08:22] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: konqueror is like Windows Explorer, IE, an FTP client, and WinZIP all in one.. plus a few more....
[08:23] <OsireS> So its just lagging behind in the proper rendering of web pages
[08:23] <gigcs> but don't gpg sign key  recomplie ubuntu-keyring 
[08:23] <OsireS> Thats a shame so as a web developer I'm forced to use Firefox, at least till Konquerer sorts that out ;-)
[08:24] <KaoticEvil> OsireS: ive not found very many pages that dont render properly in konqi
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> OsireS: I've found that no 2 browsers seem to render everything the same, when I do pages, I have to check them on firefox, ie, and konqueror.
[08:25] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: not too many, and konqueror has gotten much better in the last couple releases.
[08:25] <gigcs> i try recomplie ubuntu-keyring but gpg sign not pass
[08:25] <OsireS> Trust me .. I know *sigh*
[08:25] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, can you recommend a kde html editor? (visual)
[08:25] <LeeJunFan> quanta is about as good as it gets.
[08:26] <KaoticEvil> kairu0: Nvu is good too...
[08:26] <gigcs> Please advise step recomplie ubuntu-keyring
[08:27] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: is your laptop on? :P
[08:27] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yessir.
[08:27] <kairu0> cool thnkx
[08:27] <KaoticEvil> hmmm...
[08:27] <gigcs> destop
[08:27] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: can't reach it?
[08:27] <KaoticEvil> konqi's being a bitch then.
[08:27] <KaoticEvil> nope :(
[08:27] <gigcs> desktop computer
[08:28] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, i'm translating this site and its bad enuf worrying about the translation w/out worrying about html tags hehe
[08:28] <LeeJunFan> just a sec - I have some fancy load balancing routing here. maybe I gave you wrong IP, of course either should have worked.
[08:28] <KaoticEvil> lol
[08:29] <gigcs> no laptop
[08:30] <gigcs> have document or advise  remaster ubuntu install cd.?
[08:31] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: well, one thing doesn't help is that some guy who is behind on his payments to me is pretty much filling that T1, he's about to have modem speed.
[08:31] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[08:32] <KaoticEvil> i bet hes about to be a lil upset too ;)
[08:32] <gigcs> I want add package on ubuntu cd
[08:32] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: should pay his bills.
[08:32] <LeeJunFan> :)
[08:33] <KaoticEvil> indeed
[08:33] <LeeJunFan> his 190K a second download just dropped to 8K a second. hehe
[08:33] <KaoticEvil> ouch
[08:33] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: can you ping that IP#?
[08:33] <KaoticEvil> :))
[08:33] <KaoticEvil> yup
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> does it come back from the same one you sent to or another IP responding?
[08:34] <KaoticEvil> ill try it in kbear
[08:34] <KaoticEvil> from the same
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: maybe vsftp didn't bind to that IP or something, I'll restart it.
[08:35] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: try now I guess.
[08:35] <KaoticEvil> ok
[08:35] <gigcs> ok
[08:35] <cyne> has anyone managed to compile duke3d?
[08:36] <cyne> jfduke3d rather
[08:36] <KaoticEvil> could not connect :(
[08:37] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: try again if you would, I have a feeling your connection on port 21 comes in and goes out the right interface but when it tries to establish the data flow on port 20 it's probably sending from the wrong IP# here.
[08:38] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: same error.. could not connect to host
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I didn't even see any traffic come from you. Do you have more than one IP?
[08:38] <KaoticEvil> nope
[08:39] <KaoticEvil> lemme try another client..
[08:39] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I have a sniffer going here for your IP# and I didn't see anythign come from it.
[08:39] <KaoticEvil> term gives me connection refused
[08:39] <KaoticEvil> wtf...
[08:39] <cyne> does anyone know where to find sdl-config, i tried dpkg -S sdl-config to no avail
[08:39] <crimsun> cyne: you need libsdl1.2-dev
[08:39] <crimsun> !info libsdl1.2-dev
[08:39] <ubotu> libsdl1.2-dev: (Simple DirectMedia Layer development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-5.3ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 873 kB, Installed size: 3460 kB
[08:39] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: good old plain command line 'ftp' gives the best error messages.
[08:40] <KaoticEvil> yeah, i know ;)
[08:40] <KaoticEvil> wtf...
[08:40] <cyne> thanks!
[08:40] <gigcs> redisto ubuntu install HowTo?????
[08:40] <KaoticEvil> i cant connect to *any* ftp's?!
[08:40] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: odd that I don't see a single packet reaching me though.
[08:40] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: its on my end...
[08:41] <KaoticEvil> for some reason, i cant connect to *any* FTP's...
[08:41] <KaoticEvil> very strange... i was on my own FTP yesterday...
[08:42] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you setup any kind of firewall on your system, or how about your router. Maybe your router needs rebooted.
[08:42] <KaoticEvil> my router is my other machine...
[08:42] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: linux?
[08:42] <KaoticEvil> no, XP
[08:42] <KaoticEvil> and it hasnt rebooted...
[08:42] <LeeJunFan> what if you connect from there.
[08:42] <KaoticEvil> so i know nothings changed
[08:42] <LeeJunFan> NAT and FTP don't play well together.
[08:42] <KaoticEvil> i cant access it right now...
[08:43] <KaoticEvil> its in my roommates room :P
[08:43] <KaoticEvil> and hes in bed :(
[08:43] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: bit i was getting on my webhosts's FTP yesterday...
[08:43] <KaoticEvil> but*
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: windows has a way of rotting like a dead possum in the road on a hot summer day... It doesn't need a reason to stop working.
[08:43] <KaoticEvil> LOL!
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i take offense at that...
[08:44] <me2win> hey all
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> i maintain that system.. and all other systems in the house ;)
[08:44] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: well, let's put it this way, I've had linux routers for networks of multiple T1's with uptimes past 3 yrs.
[08:44] <LeeJunFan> :)
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> :P
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> lemme try something else....
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> ah, my theme song.. Simple Plan - God Must Hate Me...
[08:45] <KaoticEvil> of course, there is no god... but thats beside the point ;)
[08:45] <LeeJunFan> yes there is, you're trying to connect to his ftp site right now:)
[08:45] <KaoticEvil> shit
[08:45] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i dont believe in god ;)
[08:46] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: me either, even if I did I wouldn't worship someone who says one thing and does the other... "Thou shalt not kill" hey, check out this plague :)
[08:46] <KaoticEvil> LOL!
[08:46] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i go one step further tho... im Wiccan :)
[08:46] <LeeJunFan> anyway - WAAAY off topic.
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> heh yeah
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> why the hell is FTP broken? o.o
[08:48] <nalioth> !conduct
[08:48] <ubotu> it has been said that conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[08:49] <LeeJunFan> bah, I didn't even realize anyone else was actively here. :)
[08:50] <LeeJunFan> anyway - perfectly running and windows is an oxymoron.
[08:50] <v-dogg> perfectly running and whatever OS is on oxymoron
[08:50] <drgayus> is there a plugin to make shadows under windows?
[08:51] <v-dogg> perfectly running and whatever computer programm is an oxymoron
[08:51] <hettar> I don't suppose there are 3.5 RC1 packages yet
[08:52] <LeeJunFan> drgayus: not a plugin really, but kde does support such effects if you have your 3d working for nvidia, it does not work worth a crap with ATI drivers.
[08:52] <LeeJunFan> hettar: www.kubuntu.org
[08:53] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: there must be something wrong with your OS too, it's printing twice to the channel :p
[08:53] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: windows (2k and xp at least) only break when someone messes about with somethng they shouldnt, or on case of virus/spyware infection.. mine ran flawlessly :)
[08:53] <nalioth> !kde3.5
[08:53] <ubotu> kde3.5 is probably KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[08:55] <v-dogg> LeeJunFan: no, the problem is on your side if you cannot see the difference :)
[08:57] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: I dunno, I was just telling KaoticEvil that I've had servers with 3yr+ uptimes.
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i havent had a system for that long :P
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> well, not the same system anyway lol
[08:57] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hehe
[08:58] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I haven't my personal systems, I usually wear out a laptop every 18 months.
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> im always changing them.. adding/removing hardware... changing paritioning, building a whole new box...
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> well, that's not good. just looked at my kdm for remote and realized it's allowing remote shutdown. I can see the chaos at the library now when someone decides to shut down and takes 24 other people with them. hehe
[09:02] <drgayus> ive had xp for 2 years...no updates ...only reinstall cos of dead harddrive
[09:03] <drgayus> to start a web server i need apache?
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> drgayus: yeah, or better yet apache2
[09:05] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: a friend of mine has had the same XP install on for over 3 years
[09:05] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: that would be hilarious @ remote shutdown...
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> once
[09:06] <drgayus> u do have to know how to use it :) no ie, no outlook, ...etc
[09:06] <KaoticEvil> something i would do.. being KaoticEvil and all ;)
[09:06] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: i used XP for over a year (changed out mobo, had to reinstall) for over a year, using IE...
[09:06] <KaoticEvil> and no firewall ;)
[09:07] <gigcs> remaster ubuntu install
[09:07] <nalioth> gigcs: i sent you a link earlier
[09:07] <drgayus> hehe i wouldnt run xp without firewall ... i like the control... soooo xxx.exe you want to go to website.com ...? NO :P 
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: i didnt need one.. i had plenty of other protection going for me :)
[09:09] <drgayus> thats good then
[09:09] <KaoticEvil> 3 seperate A/V engines scanning everything.. plus a couple of other apps i had custom-written for me ;)
[09:09] <drgayus> hehehe
[09:09] <KaoticEvil> no one was getting my data unless i gave it to them :)
[09:09] <drgayus> yesss
[09:10] <nalioth> you know what really irritates me (since we're already way offtopic) is that i read an article extolling dual-core procs as "good to have  so your a/v, firewall and other security tools dont bog down your machine"
[09:10] <nalioth> i find that EXTREMELY sad
[09:10] <drgayus> well... its all about marketing to the masses
[09:11] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: yeah, it is kinda sad...
[09:11] <KaoticEvil> a *good* a/v, firewall, whatever shouldnt bog a system down anyway
[09:13] <gigcs> Not is LiveCD But InstallCD
[09:13] <gigcs> Please advise or link 
[09:13] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you shouldnt NEED any of those
[09:14] <nalioth> gigcs: ask uncle google
[09:14] <nalioth> gigcs: because we don't know
[09:14] <nalioth> gigcs: or ask in #ubuntu 
[09:14] <gigcs> thank you.
[09:14] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: no, you shouldnt... but on a windows environment, you do...
[09:15] <KaoticEvil> esp. the a/v and anti-spyware
[09:15] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you're missing my point
[09:15] <drgayus> REQ: in adept manager ...can they make it in next version to be able to sort by the columns...
[09:16] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: ... i guess i am...
[09:16] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: do we need those things in linux?
[09:16] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: the firewall, perhaps...
[09:16] <KaoticEvil> and i have heard of viruses for linux.. not many, admittedly...
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> but then again, linux isnt for the masses.... yet
[09:17] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: there are less than 10 known, and all have been neutralized
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> linux is still for geeks like you, me, and everyone else in here that knows the ins n outs of their system
[09:17] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: a firewall is NOT necessary for a personal workstation in linux
[09:18] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: i agree
[09:18] <KaoticEvil> id run one anyway :P
[09:18] <KaoticEvil> well, a router, at least ;)
[09:19] <nalioth> duh. i run a router due to my several computers
[09:19] <nalioth> but it's not actively protecting anything
[09:19] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: i agree that linux is *hella* more secure than any windows (OOB, anway)
[09:20] <drgayus> i installed the apache2 packages... where do i set it up > its not in the k menu...
[09:20] <KaoticEvil> you *can* secure windows to a point where no one gets in unless you let them in.. ive done it...
[09:20] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: you have to edit /etc/apache/apache2.conf
[09:20] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: dont get me wrong, im not trying to argue or flame...
[09:20] <drgayus> is apache automatically turned on?
[09:21] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: yup :)
[09:21] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: after you edit the conf files to be how you want them, youll need to restart the apache service
[09:22] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: use: sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart
[09:22] <KaoticEvil> it may be "apache2 restart" in stead of "apache restart" i dont know.. i use apache 1.3 :)
[09:23] <drgayus> ok thanks :) ... 
[09:23] <KaoticEvil> yup :)
[09:23] <KaoticEvil> i personally dont like the way apache2 does VirtualHosts...
[09:25] <drgayus> this is pretty wicked... running apache server on kubuntu in vmware...accesible via internet...
[09:25] <KaoticEvil> lol
[09:26] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: welcome to the club :)
[09:26] <KaoticEvil> ill show you the secret handshake later :P
[09:27] <drgayus> hehehe ok ... i hope i dont need to run it in shell... welll... i can cut & paste
[09:28] <KaoticEvil> drgayus: you can use: kdesu kate /etc/apache/apache.conf
[09:28] <KaoticEvil> to edit the files, that will allow you so edit them in a GUI text editor :)
[09:28] <LeeJunFan> one thing I don't like  about linux in vmware is ctrl-alt f1-f9 don't work .
[09:28] <drgayus> thx.. i browsed to the directory...i dont really know what to configure yet
[09:28] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: not even with VMWare Tools isntalled?
[09:28] <eXistenZ> how big the swap partition should be?
[09:29] <nalioth> eXistenZ: how much ram you got?
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I don't think the tools apply to linux.
[09:29] <eXistenZ> 512
[09:29] <nalioth> eXistenZ: 768
[09:29] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: there are tools for linux.. i installed them once :)
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> owell, off to bed everyone. Gnight. It's 3:30 am for me.
[09:29] <eXistenZ> great
[09:29] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: how much bigger should i make mine? ive only got 128MB of RAM :P
[09:30] <KaoticEvil> nite LeeJunFan :)
[09:30] <KaoticEvil> swap is set at 256 (too small, i know)
[09:30] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: make yours 3x
[09:31] <KaoticEvil> ill have to edit partitions... urgh.. ok.. gparted it is ;)
[09:36] <KaoticEvil> where can i see if my cdrom is running in PIO or UDMA mode?
[09:36] <KaoticEvil> because i suspect its in PIO...
[09:43] <kairu0> still there?
[09:43] <kairu0> i think its /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:52] <me2win> Is there a way to change which console opens up when you use F4 in konq?
[09:52] <me2win> i want it to use yakuake and auto cd to the folder that i have open in konq
[09:53] <me2win> just like konsole does, anybody know how to switch it?
[09:53] <me2win> changing default terminal to yakuake doesnt work either, it only makes it open up several instances
[09:56] <v-dogg> btw, is there a terminal that would recognize url's and make them clickable?
[09:56] <nalioth> v-dogg: gnome-terminal
[10:02] <me2win> anyone?
[10:05] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: You mentioned earlier that you would rather learn C++ than C.
[10:06] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[10:06] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: I just thought I would point out that the definitive C++ manual is about a thousand pages long and nobody in the world really understands all of it.
[10:06] <v-dogg> nalioth: thanks
[10:06] <KaoticEvil> im sure :)
[10:06] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: The definitive C manual is I think about 170 pages long and if you read it, you can, and will, completely understand the language.
[10:07] <KaoticEvil> _pvh: is C OO?
[10:07] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: Hmm.
[10:07] <KaoticEvil> ;)
[10:07] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: Are pianos rock instruments?
[10:07] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: Object orientation is a style, not a feature.
[10:07] <KaoticEvil> exactly.. C++ is OO... or at least can be partially OO
[10:08] <KaoticEvil> _pvh: for me, its a feature :)
[10:08] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: As proof, C++ was originally a set of preprocessor directives.
[10:08] <KaoticEvil> i know
[10:08] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: So yes, C is OO.
[10:09] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: If you want to learn an OO language, I would highly recommend Python or Ruby, both of which have QT bindings.
[10:09] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: And garbage collection.
[10:09] <KaoticEvil> _pvh: ill stick with my Object Pascal for now...
[10:09] <KaoticEvil> it suits me fine :)
[10:09] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: I believe OP has garbage collection as well.
[10:11] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: Can you do QT in OP?
[10:12] <KaoticEvil> _pvh: no clue.. ive not done any development on linux as of yet...
[10:12] <KaoticEvil> only on windows, with Delphi
[10:14] <_pvh> KaoticEvil: Fair enough. If you ever feel like trying ruby, make sure to google "chunky bacon". Why's Poignant Guide is my favorite programming guide I've ever found.
[10:14] <KaoticEvil> i had wanted to get Kylix... borland's "port" of delphi...
[10:14] <KaoticEvil> but they no longer have a free version available :(
[10:23] <NoTech> hi there Kubuntu ppl!!! :)
[10:24] <NoTech> could someone help me? plz? i have installed Kubuntu 5.04 2 months ago,i am new to linux,how can i update to 5.10 without loose all my progs?
[10:25] <_pvh> NoTech: The upgrade guides out there will work fine.
[10:25] <_pvh> NoTech: You just change your repositories and run a dist-upgrade. All will be well.
[10:25] <NoTech> sorry,where i can find a guide?
[10:26] <NoTech> how can i change repositories? then what? apt-get dist upgrade?
[10:26] <nalioth> !breezy
[10:26] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[10:26] <nalioth> NoTech: there you go
[10:26] <NoTech> thanx!!
[10:27] <NoTech> ahh..the guide talks about ubuntu,i presume the procedure is the same as kubuntu?
[10:27] <smonkey> Holy ... crud ... , KDE is slow with the Composition extension.
[10:27] <nalioth> it is the same
[10:27] <rendi> hello can help why my eth0 is always disable when i'm start my kubuntu
[10:28] <smonkey> NoTech: Should be. Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with a K.
[10:28] <NoTech> thank u! ure a great channel!
[10:29] <rendi> smonkey can help me
[10:29] <smonkey> Forgive me for being out of touch, but when did this upgrade happen?
[10:29] <smonkey> rendi: I can try.
[10:30] <rendi> my eth0 is always disabel when i'm start my kubuntu
[10:30] <rendi> and i must enable manualy 
[10:30] <smonkey> rendi: Hold on I'm looking for a particular file.
[10:31] <smonkey> rendi: Sorry this is taking a minute. I'm not too familiar with Ubuntu yet.
[10:32] <rendi> ohh great
[10:32] <gerbman> rendi, i think the file you might want to look at is /etc/network/interfaces
[10:32] <rendi> i'm use Breezy
[10:32] <gerbman> but i don't change it manually very often, so don't know much about it
[10:32] <drgayus> hey why cant i save changes to apache/ports.conf
[10:32] <smonkey> rendi: try editing /etc/networking/interfaces
[10:33] <nalioth> smonkey: oct 14
[10:33] <smonkey> hahaha.
[10:33] <gerbman> drgayus, do you have the permissions to change it?
[10:34] <rendi> smonkey i'm open it and now
[10:34] <drgayus> uhm...do i need to add myself to the root usergroup?
[10:34] <smonkey> rendi: Do you need to use DNS on the network?
[10:34] <smonkey> rendi: Err...
[10:34] <smonkey> rendi: DHCP?
[10:34] <rendi> ya
[10:34] <gerbman> drgayus, you can just use 'sudo gedit <file>' from the command line
[10:35] <gerbman> or any other editor instead of gedit
[10:35] <drgayus> gerbman: thx
[10:35] <gerbman> no problem
[10:36] <rendi> my dns is 202.11.22 bla blas
[10:36] <drgayus> oh: you can right-click on file > actions > edit as root :)
[10:37] <gerbman> oh ok...i just try to stay away from my mouse ;)
[10:37] <njk> i have a network question, too. gaim won't connect, and i can't telnet to nethack.alt.org. what should i check?
[10:37] <smonkey> rendi: Sorry, I hadto answer the phone. Try adding/changing the line for eth0 so that it reads "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[10:38] <rendi> but i'm not use dhcp
[10:38] <rendi> i'm use static
[10:38] <gerbman> njk, can you paste the output of 'ifconfig' into a paste bin at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ and send a link back?
[10:38] <smonkey> rendi: Actually, you need  the word 'auto' in there some where.
[10:38] <njk> telnet says: Trying 1.0.0.0...  "Network is unreachable"
[10:38] <njk> gerbman, i'll do that, thanks
[10:39] <rendi> ic smonkey but in where ?
[10:39] <rendi> in first line i see "auto lo"
[10:39] <smonkey> rendi:Just found that line. You need a seperate line that says 'auto eth0'
[10:40] <chx> how could I make hdparm settings stick? I needed to switch on dma on my DVD (you can't imagine the jerkiness without it) but I'd not like to switch it on every 2-3months when I reboot :)
[10:40] <njk> gerbman, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4461
[10:40] <rendi> ahh ic
[10:40] <rendi> i'm restart now 
[10:41] <smonkey> rendi: It should work for you.
[10:41] <rendi> i'm still restart now and wait that happen
[10:42] <gerbman> njk, hmm...looks good...can you ping nethack.alt.org?
[10:42] <gerbman> chx, check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84694&highlight=enabling+dma
[10:44] <njk> gerbman, after pinging nethack.alt.org i can connect! thanks for your help i guess i just have to do more experimenting
[10:44] <njk> gaim still won't connect, though
[10:45] <gerbman> njk, if you can browse the net then i'm kinda stumped there
[10:45] <rendi> great !!! it works
[10:45] <rendi> thanks all c ya
[10:45] <njk> gerbman, ok, maybe i'll try reinstalling gaim
[10:45] <smonkey> rendi: No problem.
[10:46] <gerbman> njk, alright
[10:49] <gigcs>  want add package on Ubuntu cd.I try make 
[10:49] <gigcs> http://wiki.ubuntu.org/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo<BR/>
[10:49] <gigcs> and i test recomplie package ubuntu-keyring.gpg sign key not able.
[10:49] <gigcs> but i build is iso and write into cd.And i test install into
[10:49] <gigcs> harddisk.But appear error.Is Apt Step fail.So I doubt ubuntu-keyring
[10:49] <gigcs> and my key at create. Please advise or document at tutorial add
[10:49] <gigcs> package on ubuntu cd.
[10:50] <chx> oh there is a hdparm.conf?
[10:50] <chx> great. thanks.
[10:54] <smonkey> Can any one answer an X question for me?
[10:56] <mornfall> drgayus: they?
[10:56] <nalioth> smonkey: if you ask one
[10:57] <mornfall> drgayus: also, motivation for the feature?
[10:58] <mornfall> drgayus: anyhow, if you have interest in it, please report on bugs.kde.org, or it *will* be forgotten
[10:58] <smonkey> Te man page for the kbd driver doesn't say that it can not do multiple instances.
[10:58] <smonkey> So presumably, if I hadd another keyboard and pointer I can run a multi-user workstation?
[10:58] <smonkey> *add
[10:59] <smonkey> Of course I am talking about a multi-headed system.
[11:00] <smonkey> Wow, that caem out wrong.
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: are you asking about running 2 (or more) keyboard/mouse combinations on a single system?
[11:00] <smonkey> If I added a second keybaord, what device would it show up as, and then would I be able to run two separaate X servers.
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> ive never heard of anyone wanting to do such a thing...
[11:03] <smonkey> I'm assuming most people just forward X over ssh, but I don't have another computer to use.
[11:03] <glitch> wtf
[11:03] <glitch> oh
[11:03] <glitch> nvm
[11:03] <glitch> lol
[11:03] <gigcs> oh
[11:03] <gigcs> hello
[11:04] <glitch> ha ha aha
[11:04] <gigcs> gig
[11:04] <glitch> I think that's the most acronyms that I've ever used in a sentence
[11:04] <smonkey> If I don't make sense just blame it on me being out of coffee.
[11:04] <smonkey> At 5am,
[11:05] <gigcs> thailand
[11:05] <glitch> heya smonk
[11:05] <glitch>  you're an EST'er too?
[11:05] <smonkey> Yep.
[11:05] <gigcs> yes
[11:05] <glitch> Eastern Standard Tribe
[11:05] <glitch> I'm a forwarding junkie
[11:05] <gigcs> 5.00 pm
[11:05] <glitch> what'cha trying to do?
[11:05] <gigcs> i have question
[11:05] <glitch> lol - gigcs, we're an exact half-day out of sync?
[11:05] <smonkey> Trying to write an essay on Descartes Ontological proof of God.
[11:06] <glitch> lol
[11:06] <smonkey> It's not going to well... Linux keeps distracting me.
[11:06] <glitch> indeed
[11:06] <gigcs> I want add package on  ubntu cd .
[11:07] <gigcs> advise
[11:07] <glitch> oaky
[11:07] <glitch> two possibilities
[11:07] <glitch> 1 
[11:07] <smonkey> Now thats strange... If I configure X to use my two monitors as separate screens I get two taskbars.
[11:08] <glitch> you want ot instal software from the ubunto CD
[11:08] <glitch> 2 
[11:08] <glitch> you want to add software TO the ubuntu cd
[11:08] <glitch> the 2nd one is quite a bit more challenging
[11:09] <glitch> smonkey: did you enable xinerama in xorg.conf?
[11:09] <gigcs> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo 
[11:09] <glitch> I'm looking to do dual screen soon and I'm curious about that that works too
[11:09] <gigcs> i don't ubuntu-keyring
[11:10] <gigcs> use gpg sign
[11:11] <glitch> gigcs
[11:11] <glitch> are you doing a new preseed file, or adding + removing stuff and creating your own derivative distro?
[11:12] <gigcs>  no edit preseed file
[11:12] <KaoticEvil> dammit.
[11:12] <KaoticEvil> this DEB is broken! :(
[11:12] <glitch> heya KE
[11:13] <KaoticEvil> hey glitch :) (wow.. no one calls me KE anymore lol)
[11:13] <gigcs> yea , test and install .
[11:13] <glitch> speaking of broken - anyone else notice that liquidweather is broken on just about every damn distro?
[11:13] <glitch> i install superkaramba
[11:13] <glitch> load that theme
[11:13] <KaoticEvil> liquidweather?
[11:14] <glitch> and then Pbbbbht
[11:14] <KaoticEvil> glitch: i got rc1 working :)
[11:14] <glitch> huhg
[11:14] <gigcs> you can explain.
[11:14] <glitch> it just comes up as a trasparaent square on top of my desktop for me
[11:15] <glitch> so which deb is broken for you>
[11:15] <glitch> ?
[11:15] <KaoticEvil> glitch: the FreePascal compiler :(
[11:15] <glitch> URL?
[11:15] <KaoticEvil> freepascal.org :P
[11:16] <KaoticEvil> wiat one.. ill get you a full d/l URL
[11:16] <glitch> that's one fast little running cheeta
[11:16] <glitch> lol
[11:16] <glitch> +h
[11:16] <KaoticEvil> heh yeah
[11:17] <KaoticEvil> i get an error 2 when i dpkg it 
[11:17] <gigcs> No i don't derivative distro
[11:17] <glitch> is that deb based one woody or sarge?
[11:18] <gigcs> sarge
[11:18] <KaoticEvil> no clue.. the rest worked fine tho
[11:18] <glitch> sorry gigcs, that one was for KaoticEvil 
[11:18] <KaoticEvil> hey now... heres one i missed...
[11:18] <KaoticEvil> a full TAR, with an install script...
[11:19] <glitch> hmm
[11:19] <gigcs> sad
[11:19] <glitch> that sounds like a better bet, at least if you have the devel packages installed
[11:20] <KaoticEvil> oh hey now.. 
[11:20] <KaoticEvil> adept says its installed
[11:20] <glitch> gigcs: I'm a linux-o-phile, but new to the debian/lubunto world
[11:20] <glitch> so mastering a kubuntu CD is new to me, and it looks a bit complicated
[11:20] <glitch> wow
[11:21] <KaoticEvil> well, lets try it then :)
[11:21] <glitch> I'm the typo king tonight
[11:21] <KaoticEvil> KDevelop is sweet :D
[11:21] <smonkey> Hahaha.
[11:21] <glitch> apt-get install deb
[11:21] <glitch> lol
[11:22] <KaoticEvil> heh sudo dpkg -i <deb> ;)
[11:22] <smonkey> Kdevelop may be sweet, but vim will never die.
[11:22] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: try vim for OOP ;)
[11:22] <glitch> for some reason
[11:22] <gigcs> i want add package on CD .
[11:22] <KaoticEvil> and ill see you in 20 years when youve written the UI for a simple app :P
[11:22] <glitch> I love loving the bastard stepchild of the great text editors
[11:23] <KaoticEvil> o.O
[11:23] <smonkey> KaoticEvil: I did Java in vim for a couple years. It doesn't get a whole lot more OOPy than Java.
[11:24] <gigcs> Please explain 
[11:24] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: true that.... also dont get much shittier than java ;) :P
[11:24] <smonkey> A console is all my users need for a UI.
[11:24] <glitch> lol
[11:24] <glitch> spoken like a true emacs fan
[11:24] <glitch> wait
[11:24] <glitch> vim?
[11:24] <glitch> which was it
[11:24] <glitch> ?
[11:24] <glitch> lol
[11:25] <KaoticEvil> i take that back... any lang with "Visual" in front of it, ot .net or # after it ;)...VB, VC++, C3, VB.net...
[11:25] <smonkey> I don't use emacs. I want to avoid arthritis.
[11:25] <KaoticEvil> or*
[11:25] <glitch> i get the rediculously complex and hard to learn text editors mixed up
[11:25] <robotgeek> smonkey: get a foot pedal..that apparently helps
[11:25] <smonkey> haha
[11:25] <glitch> lol
[11:25] <KaoticEvil> lol
[11:25] <smonkey> I'm still not using emacs.
[11:25] <KaoticEvil> ill stick to RAD IDE's :)
[11:25] <smonkey> I'd rather reinstall Windows and program ins MS Word.
[11:26] <glitch> I'm just kidding, I've got a soft spot for vim, but I find that nano is just too easy to ignore for 99% of what i do
[11:26] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: ever use debug or edlin? ;)
[11:26] <smonkey> That puts using emacs somewhere below being homeless.
[11:27] <KaoticEvil> edlin gave you one line at a time o_o
[11:27] <smonkey> I'm not that masocistic. Yet.
[11:27] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: it was all we had for a while ;)
[11:27] <RaRe> can anyone help me? it's about enemy-territory, I cant run it.. here's the error log http://pastebin.com/427567
[11:27] <smonkey> I did try ed once though.
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: edlin is an oooooooooooold ms-dos app ;)
[11:28] <gigcs> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[11:28] <smonkey> Oh, edlin....
[11:28] <gigcs> I don't understand
[11:28] <smonkey> I thiught you meant visuals twin,.
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> oh hell no
[11:29] <nalioth> gigcs: have you made YOURself a gpg key?
[11:29] <gigcs> yes
[11:29] <nalioth> gigcs: then you should be able to clearsign things
[11:31] <smonkey> Ahh! What the heck? I know Konqueror had to do something with mouse buttons 6 an d 7, butI never thought it would use them for horizontal scroll!
[11:31] <smonkey> Who wahnts horizontal scroll?
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> 6 and 7?
[11:31] <smonkey> Yeah.
[11:31] <gigcs> I  gpg clearsign ??? 
[11:31] <KaoticEvil> damn.. most ive ever had was 4... plus the wheel...
[11:31] <smonkey> I have one of those fancy mice.
[11:32] <smonkey> a scroll mouse with two extra buttons.
[11:32] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: i did too ;) MS Trackball Explorer.. LOVE that trackball
[11:32] <KaoticEvil> ill have me another one, eventually
[11:32] <smonkey> KaoticEvil: Track balls are so 90's.
[11:32] <gigcs> what does it mean.
[11:32] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: oh?
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: not for gaming ;)
 What does it mean.
[11:33] <smonkey> KaoticEvil: Wel, the last person I saw using one was a middle school tracher.
[11:33] <smonkey> *teacher
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: byte me :P
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> no, MEGAbyte me :P
[11:33] <robotgeek> smonkey: no, trackballs are nice
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> thnak you, robotgeek :)
[11:33] <KaoticEvil> thank*
[11:34] <KaoticEvil> ooooooooo.... kinky >:)
[11:34] <KaoticEvil> ROFL
[11:34] <smonkey> I can see how wyou might like them, butI prefer a mouse.
[11:34] <nalioth> gigcs: in your terminal, type gpg --help
[11:34] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: mice are so.... 80's :P
[11:35] <robotgeek> hmm, slowly going offtopic, i see
[11:35] <nalioth> yes, direct neural interfaces are so much more convenient
[11:35] <KaoticEvil> lol nalioth 
[11:36] <KaoticEvil> hey, on the bright side.. the FreePascal compiler package seems to work :)
[11:37] <smonkey> Isn't the keyboard a little 70's for you?
[11:37] <KaoticEvil> 60's
[11:37] <smonkey> Or is that 60's?
[11:39] <smonkey> Is there any way to change a mouse buttons function in KDE, short of reompilation?
[11:40] <KaoticEvil> smonkey: you should be able to do it in your xorg.conf... i did
[11:41] <smonkey> I don't  mean remap them, like with xmodmap.
[11:42] <l3m> i just installed kubuntu breezy. it mostly works fine, but when i try to chance a syste setting and get asked for the root password, it won't accept it. i can however su in the console with the same password, so the pw is correct...
[11:42] <KaoticEvil> ubotu: tell l3m about sudo
[11:43] <KaoticEvil> l3m: read what ubotu just told you :)
[11:43] <l3m> no
[11:43] <smonkey> l3m: edit the sudoers file
[11:43] <l3m> i do have su enabled
[11:43] <l3m> dunno why
[11:43] <l3m> and the user password doesn't work either
[11:44] <l3m> ??
[11:44] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[11:45] <l3m> i enter konsole, type "su" and the root pw and i'm root
[11:45] <l3m> nothing disabled there?
[11:46] <smonkey> The dialog that you are talking about in X isn't running su, it is runing sudo.
[11:46] <l3m> and i think EITHER the root password or the user password should allow me to change things like network settings? but neither pw works, even though both pw work when i try the console
[11:46] <nalioth> su should not be used 
[11:46] <l3m> or do i have to use a third pw???
[11:46] <nalioth> l3m: kubuntu has a 'disabled' root account for a reason
[11:47] <smonkey> l3m: edit the file /etc/sudoers
[11:47] <l3m> ok then how can i set my wireless networking? neither user nor root pw allow me access? 
[11:47] <l3m> ok
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> ok, well.. thats a problem.
[11:47] <spiral> hello
[11:48] <smonkey> l3m: As far as I know, by default users are not allowed to do anything via sudo.
[11:48] <spiral> does anyone have news about the other kde 3.5rc1 packages ?
[11:49] <smonkey> spiral: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php
[11:49] <l3m> and if i follow the advice on the wiki to set my access rights using system menu i get asked the fucking pw again? where neither user nor root pw work? 
[11:49] <spiral> smonkey: yeah, but there is only the base... wgat about the other packages ?
[11:49] <smonkey> I dunno.
[11:52] <nalioth> !kde3.5
[11:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[11:52] <nalioth> l3m: using a root account may break your kubuntu. use sudo or kdesu
[11:53] <l3m> nalioth i just want to use the system settings menu
[11:54] <l3m> i installed the system using kubuntu defaults
[11:54] <nalioth> l3m: i believe there is a bug in that program
[11:54] <l3m> and this helps me how?
[11:55] <nalioth> l3m: have you visited kubuntu.org, i believe there are upgraded (fixed) pkgs there
[11:56] <l3m> why? aren't they in apt-get?
[11:57] <nalioth> l3m: i'm just passing on info, idk why they are where they are
[11:58] <l3m> ok
[11:58] <l3m> thanks
[11:59] <eedge> help! I've been banned from #ubuntu, and I have absolutely no idea why
[12:00] <puckman> did you install kde?
[12:00] <smonkey> holy crud. I did an apt-src install konqueror. It is going to take 4 hours.
[12:00] <smonkey> me?
[12:02] <eedge> Is there anyone I can contact about my banning in #ubuntu.
[12:10] <nalioth> eedge: what is the trouble?
[12:11] <nalioth> eedge: were you being nasty?
[12:17] <eedge> nalioth, I wasn't being nasty =P 100% sure of it.
[12:18] <nalioth> eedge: any other reason you'd be banned?
[12:18] <eedge> I don't think so... Perhaps because I connect through my local network proxy?
[12:19] <eedge> but, actually, you can't even see that from the outside... because its not open to the internet.
[12:19] <eedge> so, no.
[12:19] <nalioth> eedge: you should be welcome in #ubuntu now
[12:20] <eedge> hmm, * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[12:20] <eedge> or not :)
[12:20] <eedge> lol
[12:20] <nalioth> lemme try again
[12:21] <eedge> ok, thanks.
[12:21] <nalioth> try now
[12:42] <[Surge] > Is there a way to do a dist upgrade without installing nearly every package available?
[12:43] <[Surge] > Unless I'm mistaken my dist upgrade to Breezy seems to be installing a lot of stuff that I didn't have before and don't need.
[12:43] <nalioth> [Surge] : that would not be a dist upgrade
[12:44] <[Surge] > Ummm ... I don't mind it updating installed packages but it shouldn't install packages that were not installed before.
[12:46] <incubii> that depends if package A was broken down into multiple packages
[12:46] <nalioth> [Surge] : if you dont have "kubuntu-desktop" isntalled, it should only upgrade what you have
[12:46] <nalioth> but if you dont have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed, things may go awry
[12:48] <[Surge] > I have that installed. Maybe it's just my imagination but I see lots of package names I don't recognise :)
[12:49] <nalioth> [Surge] : you have way more pkgs installed then you've personally installed
[12:49] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  can you install from the livecd?
[12:49] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you can not
[12:49] <KaoticEvil> ok
[12:50] <KaoticEvil> had a friend askin me
[12:51] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: future versions of ubuntu will be live/install but not currently
[12:51] <KaoticEvil> that will be sweet :)
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> lol
[12:53] <incubii> just take the knoppix installer
[12:53] <incubii> and tweak a lil
[12:53] <incubii> :)
[12:53] <KaoticEvil> hey nalioth... heres a question... when i copy something.. instead of showing me the copy progress window, it shows me the job window.. wtf did i do?
[12:53] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: noclue
[12:53] <KaoticEvil> damn.. ok
[12:54] <KaoticEvil> sleep time...
[01:10] <gibarian> hi everyone...are here people who've managed to get the composite engine to work inkde 3.4?
[01:31] <buz> is it possible that vmware doesnt work with the 2.6.12-k7 kernel? following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=354913&highlight=vmware gives all sort of weirdness when the module is loaded...
[01:33] <little_bob> buz: i am using vmware workstation 5 on kubuntu 5.10. i did follow the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingVMWare?action=show&redirect=VmWare+guide%3A+How+to+install+VMware+in+Breezy without problems.
[01:33] <buz> i find " "1GB Low Memory Support" should not be active for systems with more than 1GB RAM (i got 1.5) could it be that?
[01:34] <buz> maybe build my own kernel?
[01:34] <little_bob> buz: i use the standard kernel 2.6.12-9 
[01:34] <buz> mhh maybe switch to that one for a test
[01:34] <buz> i can build the module just fine but after loading it weird stuff (like sudo hanging indefinitely and vwmare not working at all) happens
[01:35] <little_bob> buz: do not forget to get the sources, headers and rebuild the vmware modules
[01:35] <buz> yeah sure ;)
[01:35] <buz> i had it working with a breezy preview, i know that much
[01:35] <buz> cant remember the specific kernel i used there, though
[01:36] <buz> (also not quite sure what box it was on back then ;)
[01:36] <little_bob> buz: k. it is first time i use vmware with kubuntu but the instructions i mentioned were good. 
[01:36] <buz> yeah i followed them last time
[01:36] <buz> the g++ bit was were i initially failed
[01:37] <buz> ok i'll try linux-image-2.6.12-9-686
[01:37] <little_bob> buz: yes this is a bit tricky and unfair for users new to linux
[01:37] <buz> not sure if the k7 branch actually helps much ;)
[01:37] <Zedman> hello. i have a brandnew 19 '' monitor, which can show 1600 * 1200 pix, but after many "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" kde don't want to use the 1600*1200 pix. what can i do? 
[01:37] <buz> i'm not that new ;)
[01:37] <little_bob> buz: i use ...-386
[01:37] <buz> -386 cant use more than 900mb ram
[01:37] <buz> that sucks
[01:38] <buz> not that i actually need the 1.5gb but i had them laying around so i installed them :)
[01:38] <nalioth> Zedman: during your recofigure, deselect the resolutions you DONT want
[01:38] <little_bob> buz: aha. i wonder why my machine with 2gb ram is swapping when i start a vm ...
[01:38] <buz> look at the amount of memory top shows you
[01:38] <Zedman> nalioth: I did that already
[01:38] <little_bob> buz: can i switch kernel just with adept or do i have to consider much more?
[01:38] <buz> 386 kernel only supports 9XXmb i think
[01:38] <nalioth> Zedman: then choose the VESA driver
[01:38] <little_bob> buz: fully recognize my ram
[01:38] <buz> you will have to rebuild vmware, that's for sure
[01:38] <buz> weird
[01:38] <little_bob> buz: jo :-)
[01:39] <buz> maybe not the 386 then?
[01:39] <robotgeek> i think the limitation is 2^32 or something, 
[01:39] <Zedman> nallioth: and what about my 3d acceleration with my nvidia card?
[01:39] <little_bob> buz: when i do a "top" i see my whole ram
[01:39] <buz> robotgeek: that is for 32bit, but the 386 is a weird critter
[01:40] <buz> not fully 32bit
[01:40] <buz> i actually have an amd64 cpu here but i cant be bothered to run ubuntux64
[01:40] <robotgeek> buz: grr, i am from the ppc world. dunno wth the difference is
[01:40] <buz> it's just too much trouble
[01:40] <buz> robotgeek: ubuntuppc on a mac?
[01:40] <little_bob> buz: i use a 630 intel p4 with 3ghz
[01:41] <robotgeek> buz: yeah, powerbook
[01:41] <Zedman> nalioth: and what about my 3d acceleration with my nvidia card?
[01:41] <nalioth> Zedman: apparently your nvidia drivers dont want to play well with you
[01:41] <buz> ok now a reboot ;)
[01:41] <Zedman> nalioth: i did the ubuntu typical "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[01:42] <nalioth> Zedman: i'm really not up on video things, just offered the vesa suggestion to reach your desired rez
[01:42] <Zedman> nalioth: ok thx,,, bye
[01:48] <buz> mhh trouble happens with the new kernel as well
[01:49] <buz> for example, sudo hangs
[01:49] <ay> What kind of bug in konsole causes the extra "graphics" at the left right of the console when using the default font?
[01:49] <buz> and vmware complains
[01:49] <buz> vmware is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured
[01:49] <buz> for this system. To (re-)configure it, invoke the following command:
[01:49] <buz> /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl.
[01:49] <buz> this sucks
[01:50] <little_bob> buz: hm ...
[01:50] <little_bob> buz: you follow all from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingVMWare?action=show&redirect=VmWare+guide%3A+How+to+install+VMware+in+Breezy?
[01:51] <little_bob> buz: last "?" is from me :-)
[01:51] <buz> didnt use vmware-any-any
[01:52] <buz> the last comment there happens for me
[01:52] <buz> but redownloading it doesnt help
[01:53] <buz> mhh another reboot is in order i think
[01:55] <musik> where are presets in amarok??
[01:56] <robotgeek> musik: tools -> equaliser
[01:57] <ay> Hm. Anyone else seeing video-bugs in konsole using the default kubuntu font? Fixes itself when you put something over the window and it has to redraw.
[01:58] <musik> robotgeek: in equaliser.......where?
[01:59] <robotgeek> musik: it has all presets -> rock, party etc?
[01:59] <musik> robotgeek: in equaliser window....i see nothing but those equalisers.....
[01:59] <ay> I have two screenshots descibing it here: http://audun.ytterdal.net/screen1.png and screen2.png .. Screenshot two contains the "video-bugs" after a few enter-presses
[02:00] <ay> Using a none-truetype font fixes it.
[02:06] <atidem> hello people
[02:12] <buz> little_bob: vmware 5.5 beta2 comes with a precompiled breezy module
[02:12] <buz> lets see if that works
[02:13] <buz> yeah that works perfectly
[02:30] <little_bob> buz: aha so vmware supports (k)ubuntu a bit more then. :-)
[02:35] <juanjo> hola buenas
[02:35] <juanjo> me podeis ayudar please????????????
[02:35] <juanjo> soy nuevo en este mundo de ubuntu y voy algo perdido!
[02:35] <atidem> juanjo: go to ubuntu-es
[02:36] <juanjo> thanks!
[02:41] <darrochfamily> where are the cups & printer configuration files stored?
[02:43] <atidem> in //etc//cups
[02:45] <darrochfamily> my printer doesn't work in ubuntu but it does in knoppix, would copying knoppix's conf files into ubuntu fix that?
[02:46] <atidem> re-configure it
[02:46] <McScruff> Hi, is there anything like wine that has a higher windows compatibility (i dont mind buying).  I need to run certain windows programs but running a Virtual Machine Slows my pc down alot
[02:46] <atidem> localhost:631
[02:47] <aeon17x> McScruff: For what purpose?
[02:47] <darrochfamily> atidem, ok thanks :)
[02:48] <atidem> McScruff: try xen
[02:48] <McScruff> does Xen run a whole OS of just programs?
[02:48] <McScruff> aeon17X, things like partypoker, and vb apps
[02:49] <atidem> no no an os
[02:49] <atidem> but not window xp for now
[02:49] <McScruff> i have vmware at the moment for that :P
[02:49] <atidem> the project is stalled
[02:49] <McScruff> i was just after something that ran apps and not the whole os
[02:50] <NoTech> hey ppl
[02:50] <McScruff> like wine 
[02:51] <darrochfamily> McScruff, crossover office is good at runnung Microsoft Word (I've heard)
[02:51] <NoTech> when i write apt-get install 'x' it finds nothing,what sources i need to add?
[02:51] <NoTech> where i can find tuxracer with apt-get?
[02:51] <atidem> what package are you searching?
[02:52] <McScruff> is win4lin a full Virtuial machine too or can that be used liek wine?
[02:52] <darrochfamily> NoTech, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:52] <atidem> NoTech: universe
[02:52] <darrochfamily> NoTech, uncomment the sources that you want to add
[02:52] <NoTech> thank you,but how do i find what sources i need to add?
[02:52] <atidem> read comments in file
[02:53] <NoTech> i googled 2 hours and didnt find what source to add!
[02:53] <McScruff> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list then uncomment them
[02:53] <darrochfamily> NoTech, it should already be there just commented out
[02:53] <NoTech> uncomment all the sources there?
[02:53] <McScruff> the universe one
[02:53] <darrochfamily> yeah, or just universe if thbat's all you want
[02:53] <nalioth> ubotu: tell NoTech about sources
[02:53] <NoTech> i done this but received an error.. wil retry
[02:53] <McScruff> then save and do apt-get update
[02:54] <rcs_> hello everyone! is there a sources.list for amd dual core 64 bits cpu? i'm having problems when installing programs with apt...
[02:54] <NoTech> thanx..another BIG question..
[02:55] <nalioth> rcs_: same sources.list as everyone else
[02:55] <NoTech> i have installed kubuntu 5.10 now when i go to system configuration,and example bluetooth i can't modify nothing
[02:55] <NoTech> i presume i need to click on administrative privileges or something like that
[02:56] <rcs_> nalioth, i cant install programs like pearpc and acroread... apt said it couldn't find those packages...
[02:56] <NoTech> and it asks me a password,i write my psw and then it returns to the previous menu,but again i cant modify nothing
[02:56] <NoTech> wtf!
[02:56] <nalioth> rcs_: there are lots of pkgs that are not available as binaries for amd64
[02:56] <nalioth> rcs_: join #kubuntu-offtopic and we'll tell you how to overcome that
[02:57] <rcs_> thanks nalioth!
[02:57] <NoTech> any ideas?
[02:57] <nalioth> NoTech: it is a known bug, but i'm not sure of the fix 
[02:57] <NoTech> ugh!
[02:57] <nalioth> NoTech: visit kubuntu.org and nose around
[02:58] <NoTech> this means that i can't modify nothing in kde!
[02:58] <NoTech> :\
[03:01] <nalioth> NoTech: kkathman knows the fix, and i'm sure some of these lurkers know
[03:04] <NoTech> do u know where can i find him? o when on irc?
[03:07] <NoTech> kkathman korlky? :)
[03:10] <nalioth> kkathman will be along shortly
[03:12] <symbian__> ma...ho listato sul canale?
[03:12] <symbian__> scusate... :-(
[03:13] <symbian__> io ho dato il comando list sulla finestra freenode
[03:13] <symbian__> cmq...ciao a tutti
[03:14] <nalioth> symbian__: que idioma?
[03:14] <symbian__> ti piace?
[03:16] <bobesponja> nalioth: italiano
[03:16] <nalioth> por italiano, vaya de el #ubuntu-it o #kubuntu-it
[03:16] <Pupeno> Hello.
[03:16] <Pupeno> How can I run ssh-agent for my whole KDE ?
[03:16] <symbian__> gracia
[03:16] <symbian__> :-(
[03:17] <bobesponja> nalioth: this is spannish, not italian you're talking, u realize it's not the same right?
[03:17] <bobesponja> :)
[03:17] <nalioth> bobesponja: sorry, it's the closest i know to italian
[03:17] <nalioth> i'm just trying to be helpful
[03:18] <bobesponja> nalioth: i know, no problem :)
[03:18] <nalioth> what little italian i spoke is long gone
[03:20] <atidem> nalioth: what's the problem?
[03:21] <nalioth> atidem: my language skills are limited
[03:21] <atidem> spanish is not the same of italian language
[03:21] <atidem> it is soo different
[03:23] <nalioth> but it is closer than english
[03:24] <atidem> sure
[03:25] <atidem> same radix: the latin
[03:40] <l3m> it seems when installing kubuntu in expert mode, sudoers is not setup correctly and therefore one cannot access systemsettings... that means one has to do the "hoary"-way fix on the wiki, not the "breezer" one, even if on breezer
[03:42] <nalioth> l3m: what 'system settings' are you wanting to use?
[03:42] <l3m> i fixed it .. just wanted to try out the graphical wireless setup tools 
[03:47] <l3m> how can i install the kde3.5 rc?
[03:47] <nalioth> !kde3.5
[03:47] <ubotu> [kde3.5]  KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[03:47] <l3m> thanks
[03:48] <pc22> is openoffice really this heavy?
[03:48] <nalioth> pc22: it is THIS heavy
[03:48] <pc22> my comp always stall
[03:48] <nalioth> use abiword instead
[03:48] <pc22> using openoffice only
[03:50] <ggodin> hi all, I just installed another linux on a second partition and am trying to reconfigure that grub.conf to start my Kubuntu too.  Would anyone have a bit of insight into that^
[03:50] <ggodin> ^
[03:50] <ggodin> oops.. ?
[03:51] <pc22> nalioth, im using calc cos all of my spreadsheets were saved using calc2
[03:59] <l3m> !kde35
[03:59] <ubotu> l3m: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:59] <l3m> !kde3.5
[03:59] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[04:01] <l3m> is there a kubuntu-specific bts?
[04:02] <nalioth> bts?
[04:03] <l3m> bug tracking system
[04:03] <l3m> bugzilla 
[04:03] <l3m> or something like that
[04:04] <l3m> e.g. debian.org/bugs 
[04:04] <l3m> just for kubuntu
[04:06] <nalioth> bugzilla.ubuntu.com covers x/k/edu/server/ubuntu
[04:07] <l3m> yeah it's about the installer 
[04:07] <l3m> since root is (as i have found out) deprecated, but during installation i was asked for a root pw 
[04:07] <l3m> without any mention of "don't use root"
[04:07] <l3m> which is not very consistent
[04:07] <l3m> ;)
[04:11] <murray__> anyone any idea why /etc/acpi/sleep.sh puts machine to sleep in seconds, but takes 90sec+ to resume?
[04:12] <nalioth> sleep is screwed in ubuntu
[04:12] <murray__> and/or why hibernate.sh immediately resumes (aka, 15 secs after calling, I'm back at the desktop)
[04:13] <murray__> nalioth: anything more specific?  it's working, just slow
[04:13] <l3m> sleep is screwed in linux ;(
[04:13] <nalioth> sleep and associated things have always been wonky in ubuntu
[04:13] <nalioth> l3m: not linux, just ubuntu
[04:13] <nalioth> l3m: yellowdog had my ibook sleeping and waking perfect
[04:14] <l3m> nalioth: well in debian too
[04:14] <brodel> Sleep has never worked right in any machine I've ever used. Linux or windows
[04:14] <l3m> nalioth: yeah sleep in ppc works fine on most distris
[04:14] <l3m> but in x86
[04:14] <l3m> nah
[04:14] <l3m> ;(
[04:14] <nalioth> not ubuntu, it doesnt
[04:14] <murray__> hmmm
[04:14] <nalioth> sleep is screwed in ubuntu for eveyone (except a lucky few)
[04:14] <murray__> so not even worth trying to recompile kernel with latest suspend2 stuff?
[04:15] <nalioth> not worth it to me, i just have my display power off after a few minutes
[04:15] <l3m> murray__: swsusp2 is for hibernate,... afaik sleep ( acpi s3 ) is independent of that?
[04:15] <brodel> what does everyone here use as an e-mail client? I am looking for something with a built in calendar (I use a lot of reminders because I'm forgetful)
[04:15] <murray__> so what about hibernate shuting down and immediately starting up again .... "just borked in ubuntu?"
[04:15] <l3m> murray__: it's definitely possible to get hibernate working on debian so it should be possible in ubuntu too 
[04:16] <l3m> murray__: but you'll probably need to google for some solutions and try what works for you
[04:16] <l3m> hibernate is usually easier than sleep s3 to work right
[04:16] <murray__> l3m> yeah, not sure if I should be happy sleep is working but hibernate ain't ;)
[04:16] <l3m> hibernate worked here ( sony vaio pcg-tr5mp ) out of the box, sleep is still fux0rd ;(
[04:17] <l3m> well i'd happily switch a working sleep for my working hibernate 
[04:17] <murray__> while I'm on the subject, what's the recommend front end to cpu stepping, fan control etc?
[04:18] <l3m> on demand cpu governor
[04:18] <l3m> in kernel
[04:19] <l3m> other than that, cpufreqd is ok 
[04:20] <brodel> I am trying to change my network settings, it says I need to click the administrator mode button.. but I don't see that button because the window is so big..
[04:20] <l3m> brodel: click ALT and drag the window around
[04:20] <l3m> alt+leftclick = move 
[04:20] <l3m> alt+rightclick = resize
[04:21] <brodel> that worked :)
[04:21] <brodel> am I going to run into that a lot though? That kind of sucks. to have to do that :(
[04:21] <l3m> i hate it when people hardcore window sizes
[04:21] <l3m> indeed
[04:21] <l3m> i hope they fix it soon
[04:22] <l3m> it's a pain on 1280x768 ;(
[04:22] <brodel> Yeah
[04:22] <brodel> I am on my laptop so I can't change my res
[04:22] <brodel> I just switched from gnome to kde.. I hope I don't run into that a lot.
[04:22] <brodel> thanks for the tip though that workaround is what I needed :)
[04:22] <l3m> brodel: looks like they didn't use qt-designer but hardcoded stuff ;(
[04:23] <l3m> brodel: well it's kubuntu specific ( i'm on kubuntu since today ) - never had such problems in debian where i also used kde 
[04:23] <brodel> ha.. settings were already set like I wanted anyway
[04:23] <brodel> oh
[04:23] <brodel> I just downloaded the kubuntu iso and installed it like 20 minutes ago
[04:23] <brodel> was using ubuntu
[04:23] <l3m> i did like .. 10 hours ago ;)
[04:24] <brodel> KDE so far is so much better. The whole look of it just rocks
[04:24] <nalioth> volker: wie gehts?
[04:25] <brodel> so, what does everyone here use for e-mail? I was using evolution, but I guess that was a gnome thing.
[04:25] <nalioth> brodel: i use thunderbird cuz evo irritated me
[04:25] <libben> kmail works
[04:26] <brodel> Forgot to mention I want a built in calendar for reminders :)
[04:26] <l3m> i use kmail
[04:26] <l3m> kontact
[04:26] <brodel> kmail wouldn't let me keep messages on my pop server
[04:26] <l3m> brodel: of course it does
[04:26] <l3m> you just have to click [x]  Keep fetched messages on Server 
[04:26] <l3m> in the account setup
[04:27] <l3m> brodel: kmail is the mail program, it's also integrated into kontact, which is the full suite with calendar and other pim stuff
[04:27] <brodel> It didn't have a setting for how long to keep the mail 
[04:28] <brodel> and then I did the "check to see what the server supports" thing and got "The server does not seem to support unique message numbers, but this is a requirement for leaving messages on the server; therefore, this option has been disabled."
[04:28] <brodel> I have a cheap dial up ISP for accessing the net from work.
[04:29] <l3m> hm dunno i got this message to once but i just ignored in and it kept the msgs on the server...
[04:29] <brodel> oh
[04:29] <brodel> well is there a setting for how long to keep it before it deletes it?
[04:30] <brodel> I like to keep em on the server for about a week or so in case I need to access it via one of my other PCs
[04:30] <l3m> hmm not by default afaik but you could probably make a filter which deletes messages which are too old
[04:31] <l3m> i only use pop for mailinglists now, and imap for "real" mail 
[04:31] <l3m> imap>pop
[04:33] <brodel> yeah. I agree
[04:33] <brodel> Last I checked they didn't have IMAP.. I called and they said it was coming.
[04:33] <brodel> I should check that.
[04:37] <brodel> bah.. don't see anything about IMAP on their site still. I guess they still don't have it.
[04:37] <brodel> I don't think gmail supports IMAP either.. so I'm stuck with pop
[04:38] <Flosoft> hi
[04:38] <Flosoft> is there any admin of kubuntu here?
[04:39] <Flosoft> ???
[04:40] <l3m> admin?
[04:40] <Flosoft> yeah well someone of the kubuntu.org team
[04:40] <nalioth> Flosoft: admin in what manner?
[04:41] <Riddell> Flosoft: hi
[04:41] <Riddell> that'll be me
[04:41] <Flosoft> hi
[04:41] <Flosoft> I wanted to mirror the Kubuntu X86 image
[04:42] <Flosoft> it would be on a 20Gbit/s Server in Germany
[04:43] <Riddell> Flosoft: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view
[04:43] <Riddell> Flosoft: or just runing a torrent on all the file would be very cool
[04:43] <Flosoft> nah ... no need for torrent here ... 2 network cards and unlimited traffic
[04:45] <Riddell> Flosoft: it would help other people torrenting is my point
[04:45] <Riddell> Flosoft: but either way is good
[04:46] <Flosoft> ok ... I am copying the X86 DVD image
[04:46] <nalioth> Flosoft: should be able to torrent and serve the files
[04:46] <Myk3> hey
[04:47] <Flosoft> but I currently don't run a Torrent Server :S
[04:47] <Myk3> how do i get around the backports prob for 5.2?
[04:47] <Myk3> i mean 5.04
[04:47] <Myk3> hoary
[04:47] <Myk3> repositories
[04:47] <Riddell> Flosoft: apt-get install bittorrent :)
[04:47] <Riddell> Myk3: what's the problem?
[04:47] <Flosoft> my server is SuSE Linux ....
[04:47] <Myk3> im trying to get dvd playback
[04:48] <Myk3> and i dled libdvdcss 
[04:48] <Myk3> and then tried to install it and it says its finished
[04:48] <Myk3> and it still will not play
[04:48] <Myk3> any thoughts?
[04:49] <Myk3> i didnt install it useing apt-get cause the backports wasnt working
[04:49] <Myk3> so i ahd to download it
[04:49] <nalioth> Myk3: did you read waht ubotu sent you?
[04:49] <Myk3> yes
[04:50] <Myk3> how do i get around the backports
[04:50] <Myk3> thing
[04:50] <Myk3> is there othere?
[04:50] <Myk3> others
[04:53] <nalioth> Myk3: to my knowledge, there aren't any backports yet
[04:53] <Myk3> damn
[04:53] <Myk3> what about the new one
[04:53] <Myk3> brezzy
[04:53] <Myk3> beezy
[04:54] <Myk3> wnhat is a repo?
[04:55] <libben> can we use ubuntus backports?
[04:55] <libben> saw this one earlier http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/137
[04:55] <libben> lol
[04:55] <libben> saw =)
[04:56] <nalioth> libben: there are no breezy backports yet
[04:58] <libben> nalioth: whats the url talking bout?
[04:59] <nalioth> libben: they're open, just not anything in them yet
[04:59] <libben> k
[05:01] <Flosoft> in screen ... how can I open a new window?
[05:01] <Myk3> what about the backports for hoary
[05:01] <Myk3> cause thats what im still useing
[05:05] <jbruegge> haio
[05:05] <jbruegge> nicht schlecht das neue kubuntu
[05:06] <jbruegge> ahhh
[05:06] <LjL> !de
[05:06] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[05:06] <jbruegge> not bad the new kubuntu
[05:06] <jbruegge> sry
[05:06] <LjL> np
[05:06] <LjL> well, i didn't try the old one, but certainly i'm not finding breezy bad at all
[05:07] <brodel> Yep :)
[05:07] <LjL> hi brodel, how's you kde
[05:07] <brodel> I reinstalled about an hour or so ago hehe
[05:07] <LjL> from the kubuntu cd?
[05:07] <jbruegge> its a bit slow in vmware... ^^^
[05:07] <brodel> yeah
[05:07] <brodel> downloaded a torrent and let it run overnight
[05:07] <brodel> but it was done in like 30 mins hehe
[05:07] <LjL> brodel: well, at least you have a clean install without the gnome stuff handing around now
[05:08] <brodel> that's what was getting on my nerves
[05:08] <LjL> jbruegge: don't have some hd or partition to do a real install?
[05:08] <brodel> I didn't know what I was supposed to have and what I wasn't.
[05:08] <LjL> brodel: yeah, i must say that i did the same, in the end
[05:08] <brodel> does KDE have anything like synaptic though? I am already missing that.
[05:08] <bla|patrick> test
[05:08] <bla|patrick> hi
[05:08] <bla|patrick> :)
[05:08] <LjL> brodel: not as advanced
[05:08] <nalioth> brodel: adept
[05:09] <LjL> brodel: but you have Adept, Kynaptic or KPackage
[05:09] <bla|patrick> ubuntu becomes more weired each day
[05:09] <LjL> and maybe others
[05:09] <bla|patrick> help :(
[05:09] <LjL> bla|patrick: what's the problem?
[05:09] <bla|patrick> repo's ati driver dont support widescreen
[05:09] <nalioth> brodel: dont use kynaptic or kpackage (esp kpackage)
[05:09] <bla|patrick> everytime i boot linux i have to reconfigure xserver
[05:09] <brodel> damn.. just realized I gotta get that console thing you told me about.
[05:09] <bla|patrick> and reconfigure the network
[05:09] <LjL> nalioth: are they seriously scandisked up?
[05:09] <bla|patrick> to get with pppoe into the internet
[05:09] <bla|patrick> no settings are stored
[05:10] <LjL> brodel: yakuake?
[05:10] <brodel> yeah, that's it
[05:10] <bla|patrick> in kde no drives are mounted
[05:10] <bla|patrick> in gnome i cant access anything
[05:10] <bla|patrick> this suxx
[05:10] <nalioth> LjL: kpackage is horrble, ecch!
[05:10] <bla|patrick> i wonder whats wrong here
[05:10] <brodel> ok. I'll try adept
[05:10] <brodel> do I already have it?
[05:10] <bla|patrick> its even worse than the wrecked upgrade from hoary to breezy
[05:10] <LjL> brodel: yeah you should
[05:11] <LjL> brodel: but please consider my advice: use aptitude for installing things
[05:11] <nalioth> LjL: kpackage is a frontend to install rpms, slack tgz's, and debs (it doesnt work too well)
[05:11] <nalioth> brodel: adept should be standard on breezy
[05:11] <LjL> brodel: you can use adept or whatever to browse around (though i usually just play with apt-cache), but aptitude just saves you from a lot of manual cleaning-up when you want to remove something
[05:11] <brodel> It is. Just found it. I'm used to seeing the program name instead of the description of it and then the program name in paranthesis
[05:11] <thecondemnedxx> I am having a device problem which would probably be an easy one for most of you in here.
[05:12] <LjL> nalioth: can't say, i've tried all of the package managers, but just too briefly to have an opinion... as i said, i use aptitude, cause i know i won't have any surprises
[05:13] <bla|patrick> does someone have some precompiled 8.19.10 drivers for me?
[05:13] <thecondemnedxx> Its my wireless card.  I cant get kwifimanager to pick up a signal.  So I try iwconfig and it shows my other nic's but not my wireless card.  Come to find out,  my wireless card doesn't have a device name like eth0 or wlan0
[05:13] <LjL> by the way, can anybody give me some hints about locales and charsets? i'm getting wrong accents in KNode (and perhaps elsewhere). every accented letter shows as two empty characters (i.e. two boxes)
[05:14] <brodel> I type yakuake in adept and it gives me nothing?
[05:14] <thecondemnedxx> it mentions it in a device list, but with no device name
[05:14] <LjL> brodel: is universe enabled?
[05:15] <brodel> that's right.. I reinstalled... duh
[05:15] <LjL> :)
[05:15] <brodel> got the universe info handy?
[05:15] <bla|patrick> btw. whats the difference of "media" and "mnt"
[05:15] <djk_> hi, what does "HD Password is: Locked" mean in a bios?
[05:16] <bla|patrick> djk_, that u cant change it?
[05:16] <LjL> bla|patrick: i think in ubuntu "mnt" is more meant for custom mounts, like NFS or Samba shares and so on... but i couldn't swear on it
[05:17] <djk_> bla|patrick: well, and what are the consequences of a hd password?
[05:17] <bla|patrick> that u cant access that drive?
[05:17] <bla|patrick> i guess some ibm pcs have that 
[05:17] <bla|patrick> and notebooks
[05:17] <oracel> I AM GOING TO BE AN UNCLE!!
[05:17] <djk_> bla|patrick: well not really since i can go into the OS and do whatever..
[05:17] <oracel> \o/
[05:18] <bla|patrick> djk_, then i dont know
[05:18] <djk_> oracel: that's gonna cost ;)
[05:18] <oracel> hucarez :D
[05:18] <bla|patrick> ur harddrive may be not support a password
[05:18] <l3m> i'm trying to compile a library which compiles fine on debian but gives me 1000s of linker errors when trying in kubuntu... everything related to the c++ std libraries fail to link
[05:19] <brodel> I know one thing, I've never found it so easy to find help with linux before I went to ubuntu. That's one of my favorite things about switching.
[05:19] <djk_> bla|patrick: well that's what i'd like to find out :)
[05:19] <LjL> l3m: paste the errors on the pastebin please
[05:20] <bla|patrick> ok...
[05:20] <bla|patrick> why do i have to reconfigure xserver each boottime?
[05:20] <thecondemnedxx> congrats oracel
[05:20] <l3m> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/427846
[05:20] <Tm_T> strange though
[05:20] <bla|patrick> why is the pppoeconf not stored
[05:20] <bla|patrick> why cant i compile ati drivers ^
[05:20] <bla|patrick> ^^
[05:21] <l3m> LjL http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/427846
[05:21] <brodel> sweet yakuake is back in action
[05:21] <LjL> l3m yes, is that the entire error log? you sure there aren't any files it doesn't find?
[05:22] <l3m> hmm it's too big for my konsole buffer...trying again with unlimited buffer
[05:22] <thecondemnedxx> How do I make linux give my wireless card a device name
[05:23] <LjL> l3m: can you also give me the URL to the package you're trying to compile, so i can try too?
[05:23] <l3m> ogre3d www.ogre3d.org 
[05:23] <l3m> LjL 1.0.5 
[05:24] <LjL> l3m: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ogre/ogre-linux_osx-v1-0-5.tar.bz2?download ?
[05:27] <l3m> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/427864
[05:27] <l3m> exactly
[05:28] <l3m> http://nrg.joroinen.fi/ubuntu504_ogre3d/recompile_readme.txt
[05:29] <l3m> ^^ a list of dependencies you need to install 
[05:29] <LjL> thanks
[05:29] <l3m> in a nice copy-pasteable apt-get ;)
[05:31] <Tm_T> hullo hussam 
[05:32] <hussam> Tm_T: hey :)
[05:33] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> anybody here that knows something about MRTG ?
[05:33] <l3m> LjL and if ./bootstrap complains about automake - removing 1.4 and keeping 1.6 or 1.7 helps
[05:34] <brodel> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: you setting up your own MRTG?
[05:34] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> its allready running..
[05:35] <brodel> ok
[05:36] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> i was wondering when the switch to an next level is done, for example, current : 1200 kb/s, why doest he says 12mb/s..
[05:36] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> i give my data to mrtg in kbyte..
[05:36] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> and setted kMG[] :,,M,G,T
[05:36] <LjL> geez l3m, i'm sorry but this is out of my reach... i don't even have free space enough on my hd to try it =)
[05:36] <hussam> Tm_T: long time since I last spotted you here :)
[05:37] <Tm_T> yu
[05:37] <l3m> LjL thanks for trying to help! 
[05:37] <brodel> hmm.. never done that BFA|WoRsTeNBoY, sorry
[05:37] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> np :)
[05:37] <l3m> LjL the problem is between autoconf and the std libs
[05:39] <LjL> maybe, but it's mainly just that i'm out of disk space installing the dependencies, you see! =) also it looks like a really complicated program to compile, i've never seen a program require *multiple* specific versions of automake and stuff like that... :(
[05:41] <brodel> Anyone know of a linux distribution I can install off of floppy? I have a really old laptop I'd like to be able to throw something on. :)
[05:41] <LjL> brodel: debian, if you can connect that old laptop to the internet
[05:41] <manveru> brodel: grml should work
[05:41] <nalioth> brodel: visit distrowatch.com
[05:41] <brodel> Can't.. unless I buy a PCMCIA NIC card
[05:43] <manveru> brodel: i managed to install suse on a really old system - it was a bit hard, but they still have boot-floppies for it (as long as you can switch to cd later on)
[05:43] <brodel> No CD-ROM on it
[05:44] <brodel> It's really old.. hehe
[05:44] <manveru> wasn't there a distro called damn-small-linux? :)
[05:44] <l3m> LjL it doesn't require multiple versions just recent ones
[05:44] <brodel> yeah, but DSL only booted off of CD-ROM and USB drives afaik
[05:45] <manveru> it's all usb-sticks these days...
[05:45] <brodel> This thing has one serial port on it.. and PCMCIA.. that's it.
[05:45] <bla|patrick> crap 
[05:46] <bla|patrick> i wonder why
[05:46] <manveru> there are distros for floopies though... but mostly firewalls
[05:46] <bla|patrick> but whatever i try, nothing works
[05:46] <bla|patrick> breezy is buggy :(
[05:46] <LjL> brodel: well, one thing you could do (not an easy thing) is setup a PPPD server on your main box, put a file server (FTP or something) on it with Debian packages, and install Debian off a floppy on the laptop, using a serial cable to connect it to your main box so that the Debian install can load stuff off your computer
[05:46] <brodel> Breezy has worked next to perfect on everything I've put it on.. which is only about five machines, but I never got anything else running this good one ONE machine.
[05:47] <LjL> brodel: i suppose spending some time looking for a very small linux distro could be easier, tho
[05:47] <manveru> brodel: http://estec.net/dnetclinux.en.html
[05:48] <bla|patrick> brodel: i made a fresh install and its even worse than the hoary-breezy mix i had before this
[05:48] <bla|patrick> no sound anymore
[05:48] <bla|patrick> no ogl in hardware
[05:48] <bla|patrick> problems using opera
[05:49] <bla|patrick> videocodecs dont work either...
[05:49] <bla|patrick> cant even play mpeg1
[05:49] <manveru> found a lot of them :)
[05:49] <bla|patrick> what happened to ubuntu :(
[05:49] <manveru> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/
[05:50] <brodel> thanks :)
[05:50] <bla|patrick> ok... i'll stop using linxu now... its no use
[05:50] <bla|patrick> lets see if the time change this...
[05:50] <bla|patrick> in a few weeks there may be some bugfixes out
[05:50] <bla|patrick> backports avaible for any stuff out there
[05:51] <bla|patrick> and newer ati drivers in the repos... drivers taht work!
[05:51] <manveru> bla|patrick: we will see :)
[05:51] <bla|patrick> i dont expect much, to be honest
[05:51] <manveru> for some it work, for others it doesn't
[05:51] <manveru> +s
[05:51] <bla|patrick> i wonder when there will repos that have the latest amarok
[05:52] <bla|patrick> hoary was fine
[05:52] <bla|patrick> but breezy is crap - for me!
[05:52] <manveru> if you want all the latest stuff you might be at the wrong place
[05:52] <bla|patrick> manveru, well... at least i expect updates...
[05:52] <bla|patrick> amarok is at v1.3.6
[05:53] <bla|patrick> and in the official repos its at 1.3.1
[05:53] <LjL> 1.3.5 isn't quite old
[05:53] <manveru> yeah, the new version is coming out at 27th
[05:53] <manveru> for ubuntu
[05:53] <bla|patrick> well... its no use since breezy doesnt notice my onboard sound...
[05:53] <bla|patrick> even hoary got used to it :(
[05:53] <bla|patrick> after each restart there are new problems :(
[05:54] <bla|patrick> and nobody has even a clue what may wrong here
[05:54] <bla|patrick> forums, chats....
[05:54] <bla|patrick> i wonder where i could try to find help
[05:54] <manveru> bla|patrick: you don't wonder if you might choose another distro?
[05:55] <manveru> if you want all the latest stuff you could build your own packages
[05:55] <bla|patrick> manveru, what would change
[05:55] <bla|patrick> manveru, compiling doenst work here
[05:55] <bla|patrick> neither for ati nor for anything else...
[05:55] <manveru> i seriously doubt it
[05:55] <bla|patrick> just tried to built amarok on my own
[05:55] <djdarkman> hy ,can someone tell me how can i set the available resoultions for the X server after installation?
[05:55] <bla|patrick> found a nice tutorial
[05:55] <bla|patrick> but it  is the same behaviour...
[05:56] <bla|patrick> it ends up in a tmp-folder and gets delted afterwards
[05:56] <bla|patrick> no debs, no rpms, no whatevers
[05:56] <manveru> bla|patrick: you know checkinstall?
[05:56] <bla|patrick> whats that?
[05:56] <manveru> it's a powerful tool for building your own debs
[05:57] <bla|patrick> sudo checkinstall is not found
[05:57] <manveru> !info checkinstall
[05:57] <bla|patrick> never heard of that
[05:57] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[05:57] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[05:57] <ubotu> somebody said checkinstall was http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[05:57] <manveru> ty
[05:57] <nalioth> bla|patrick: checkinstall will be your best friend if you compile your own source code
[05:57] <djdarkman> hy ,can someone tell me how can i set the available resoultions for the X server after installation?
[05:58] <manveru> djdarkman: you can set it in the xorg.conf - wait a second
[05:58] <djdarkman> k
[05:58] <manveru> ubotu: tell djdarkman about resolution
[05:59] <djdarkman> 10x manveru 
[05:59] <bla|patrick> however... linux bugs me now... i'll take a break of this and get of fnow
[05:59] <bla|patrick> good bye
[06:00] <manveru> they all come back some day... :)
[06:00] <brodel> Sounds like me with the other distros I tried.
[06:00] <brodel> I try to do something as simple as install gaim and 10 hours later I reformat  and say screw it.
[06:00] <manveru> hehe
[06:01] <LjL> is there some kind of complement to checkinstall that adds (or guesses) the right dependencies for what you're installing?
[06:01] <LjL> i mean, auto-apt does something, but it doesn't add the deps to the *created* package
[06:01] <manveru> hmm
[06:01] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[06:01] <ubotu> hmm... checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[06:01] <nalioth> auto-apt grabs your build dependencies
[06:01] <nalioth> so that you CAN build it
[06:02] <manveru> never heard about auto-apt...
[06:02] <nalioth> instead of you reading each error and adding the pkg it calls for
[06:02] <djk_> i have a 6gb hdd, will 50mb /boot 2gb / 500mb swap and rest /home be enough for kubuntu?
[06:02] <nalioth> manveru: i dont use it. i tried it, and i prefer reading the error msgs and installing the libs it cries for
[06:02] <manveru> why did nobody tell me about it?
[06:02] <LjL> nalioth, that page says that checkinstall creates a .deb from all the files generated by make install. now, this newly created .deb won't have dependencies listed
[06:03] <manveru> this is _the_ killer-feature
[06:03] <LjL> i was asking if there is a way to have deps listed -- then perhaps this way to have them listed would use auto-apt, of course
[06:03] <nalioth> LjL: no, the checkinstall debs are for local use
[06:03] <LjL> (though i must say that auto-apt also tries to install a lot of unneeded stuff... probably because it asks to install everything that ./configure ever checks for)
[06:04] <manveru> LjL: like the ada95-devs?
[06:04] <brodel> how would I know what to type in konsole using aptitude to install something without having to go in adept first? I wanted to install the beep media player so I was going to type install beep.. but after lookin in adept that would of been  an advanced pcspeaker beeper whatever that is for.. 
[06:04] <LjL> manveru: not sure, i think i remember it trying to install gcj and some perl stuff
[06:04] <manveru> brodel: i usually use apt-cache search for it
[06:05] <manveru> brodel: but you can search in aptitude... using the / key
[06:05] <LjL> brodel: apt-cache search <keywords>       aptitude install <packagename>
[06:05] <nalioth> brodel: learning the terminal is quite handy
[06:05] <nalioth> !cli
[06:05] <ubotu> well, cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[06:05] <manveru> nalioth: i wished there was a greater community for nano...
[06:05] <LjL> brodel: also, sometimes i find pruning apt-cache's output with grep useful
[06:05] <nalioth> nano rocks!
[06:05] <Flosoft> hey riddel ... u still there?
[06:06] <LjL> brodel: like, "apt-cache search <keywords> | grep <narrower-and-case-sensitive-keywords>"
[06:06] <manveru> nalioth: absolutly, but most people just smile and say - hey, use vi or emacs...
[06:06] <LjL> nano rocks
[06:06] <nalioth> i hate dist-upgrades
[06:06] <brodel> wow LjL I would of never of figured that out haha 
[06:06] <brodel> thanks
[06:07] <brodel> what's nano? Unless you mean the new ipod?
[06:07] <Flosoft> The CD Image is already on my server ... the DVD image is comming along
[06:07] <nalioth> Flosoft: if you want him, use his correct nick, so it trips his clients bell
[06:07] <nalioth> !info nano
[06:07] <ubotu> nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is standard. Version: 1.3.8-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB
[06:07] <LjL> brodel: well that's a shell thing... "grep" is a very powerful program to let you search through text. then, the "|" character is a pipe, which means that it lets you connect the *output* of a program to the *input* of another
[06:07] <Flosoft> so u can already add the page to the Kubuntu Download List
[06:07] <Flosoft> http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu.php
[06:07] <LjL> brodel: so that command basically says "search for this stuff, then give the output to grep, which will take it as input, and do stuff with it (in this case, search again)"
[06:07] <brodel> I knew what grep was, but I just thought it was for searching files for certain words
[06:08] <manveru> maybe i should start a nano-community - with syntax-files and stuff :)
[06:08] <brodel> just tried it.. sweet
[06:08] <LjL> brodel: and that's precisely what it does. only, a "file" doesn't necessarily have to be a *file* :)
[06:08] <nalioth> ubotu: tell brodel about cli
[06:08] <nalioth> brodel: when you have some free time, read that info from ubotu 
[06:09] <brodel> crap.. I closed it somehow.. do that again please
[06:09] <brodel> I was in the terminal and somehow closed out the pm
[06:09] <LjL> done
[06:09] <brodel> thanks
[06:11] <brodel> now if I could only get my modem working so I could play around with this at work..
[06:12] <nalioth> Riddell: all your "test this" is kickin my arse on my dist-upgrade
[06:12] <Flosoft> Riddell: The Image is available on my servers. http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu.php
[06:13] <Riddell> nalioth: what's the problem?
[06:13] <nalioth> all those pkgs you asked to be tested...
[06:13] <nalioth> erroring out my upgrade to breezy
[06:13] <nalioth> nothing i havent dealt with on my other machines
[06:13] <LjL> nalioth: do you know if auto-apt is being actively developed?
[06:13] <Riddell> Flosoft: ug, javascript
[06:14] <nalioth> LjL: i do not
[06:14] <Riddell> nalioth: can you be more specific?
[06:14] <Flosoft> Riddel: Not for the Downlaods ... only for the Mirror info
[06:14] <nalioth> Riddell: i'm just running my mouth, i built 3.4.2 for my hoary and it's triggering upgrade errors
[06:15] <LjL> nalioth: you know, i think it would be useful if, for example, it could have a "blacklist" of packages it should ignore, for doing ./configure and stuff... or perhaps even something more elaborated... might have a look at it, if the code's not too complicated
[06:15] <Riddell> Flosoft: that's not clear, can you change the down arrows for filenames?
[06:15] <nalioth> LjL: knock yourself out, i dont use it personally (i tried it a couple of times)
[06:16] <Flosoft> ok
[06:18] <nalioth> just for kicks, how do you remove metapkgs and all their depends?
[06:19] <LjL> riddell: can you confirm that kde 3.5rc1 "resets" the konqueror toolbar (i now have all of the print, find, larger-font, smaller-fonts buttons that weren't in Kubuntu's standard toolbar), and that there is an abnormally large icons for "Control Center" in the Settings applet?
[06:19] <LjL> nalioth: well with aptitude, they get removed automatically, and that's sometimes a problem for me!
[06:19] <Riddell> LjL: hmm, it shouldn't do but that is possible
[06:19] <Riddell> LjL: settings applet?
[06:20] <LjL> Riddell: yes, the applet for Kicker that shows a menu with settings, including Control Panel and the whole settings sub-menu hierarchy
[06:20] <nalioth> LjL: my dist-upgrade is being held up by some pkgs i built, and i was gonna take my box down to the console
[06:21] <Flosoft> Riddell: Better like that?
[06:21] <nalioth> Riddell: i'm removing the 3.4.2 tree i built and hopefully it'll upgrade after that
[06:21] <LjL> Riddell: i don't think it's in the Kubuntu panel by default, but it can be added the usual way, right-click on panel, add applet, "Settings"
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: oh, you're here now. Just sent you an e-mail on the sound preview bug thing for rc1.
[06:25] <Flosoft> LeeJunFan: Do u also have no sound?
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: no, I have sound, this one relates to the problem of mousing over an icon in RC1 and having it reset your desktop.
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: it kills konqueror. Turn off previews for sound files and that problem goes away.
[06:26] <Flosoft> LeeJunFan: Ow ok ... is there anyone else that has no sound? I can
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: with rc1?
[06:26] <Flosoft> 't hear any sound that comes from Linux ... only via Line or Mic
[06:27] <Flosoft> yes
[06:27] <Flosoft> rc1
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: try making a new user or renameing your ~/.kde dir to rule out anything in conf or apps dirs.
[06:28] <Flosoft> ok ... i'll try that
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: of course you'll have to log out to console if you plan to do the rename .kde dir, otherwize when you exit session it might just save bad settings again.
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: that's how I find most of my kde problems during upgrades and such, I know if I login without a .kde dir and it works then it's some old setting I've got hanging around that's causing the problem.
[06:30] <Flosoft> ok
[06:30] <LjL> nalioth: i'm not sure what you're getting at, but this will remove all the dependencies of a package:    apt-get --purge remove  `apt-cache show <package-name> | grep Depends | sed "s/Depends://" | sed "s/,//g"`
[06:30] <LjL> nalioth: at least it should
[06:31] <nalioth> LjL: no habla esta idioma
[06:31] <LjL> :P
[06:31] <etam> hi, please help me
[06:32] <etam> i have a problem with installation
[06:32] <etam> the question about adding user and password is repeating
[06:32] <LjL> nalioth: it just lists the "Depends:" line of a package, removes the commas between packages, and feeds it all to apt-get remove :)
[06:33] <Flosoft> ok ... I get alot of errors
[06:33] <nalioth> LjL: cool :) 
[06:33] <Flosoft> arts crashes ...
[06:33] <Flosoft> and then it says: /dev/dsp Permission Denied
[06:33] <etam> who can help me with installation? i think there is a bug
[06:34] <nalioth> etam: if you tell us what happened, we can help you more effectively
[06:34] <etam> when there is a question about user name and passowrd
[06:35] <etam> nalioth: when i write sth and do next it is repeating this 3 steps over and over again
[06:35] <nalioth> etam: did you burn the install disk or get it in the mail?
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: do you have arts configured to use alsa?
[06:35] <etam> nalioth: burn
[06:36] <nalioth> etam: did you verify your iso image when you got it?
[06:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell etam about verify
[06:37] <etam> nalioth: yes i did it
[06:37] <Flosoft> LeeJunFan: Now every sound app crashes :s ... on the second account
[06:37] <etam> nalioth: and it was fine
[06:37] <nalioth> etam: did you check the cd after you burned it? and did you burn it on the slowest speed?
[06:37] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: you logged in on both on one machine?
[06:38] <etam> nalioth: i will burn it once more, i did it in 16x speed
[06:38] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: make sure you don't have a running artsd owned by the first user you logged in as, that would be why your second user can't get /dev/dsp because the first one already claimed it.
[06:38] <nalioth> etam: oh yes, that may be the problem. burn it much more slowly
[06:38] <Flosoft> LeeJunFan: ow ok ...
[06:38] <etam> nalioth: why is it so?
[06:39] <etam> nalioth: is this problem only with kubuntu?
[06:39] <nalioth> etam: it is a known quirk of all the ubuntu versions. they dont seem to like being burnt at high speeds
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: explain why...
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> :)
[06:40] <etam> nalioth: LeeJunFan - if You can ;)
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> etam: it's the ubuntu triangle.
[06:42] <nalioth> i cant explain it, i just have seen this problem since warty warthog
[06:43] <LjL> the mysteries of computing...
[06:43] <etam> my nero cant burn with 1x speed :)
[06:43] <djk_> how do i disable the synchronizing clock with ntp.ubuntu.... at bootup ?
[06:43] <Myk3> what is the terminal command to change the ip to dhcp instead of static?
[06:43] <LjL> djk_: why do you want to? (as for the answer, let me look)
[06:43] <brodel> I installed kubuntu  a little while ago (had ubuntu on it running fine) but now when I stick my USB drive in my laptop it comes up and says "An error occurred while loading media:/sda1: The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist."
[06:44] <djk_> nalioth: doesn't that "problem" rathe concern the capabilities of the used burners? i've always used 52x and no probs with the cds
[06:44] <djk_> LjL: because the laptop doesn't have inet access -- thus unnecessary
[06:44] <Myk3> im useing kubuntu and when i goto the control center i cant go into admin mode
[06:44] <LjL> djk_: well, i think that job is done by ntpdate, so aptitude remove ntpdate.
[06:44] <djk_> LjL: i know there's a wiki entry for that, i've seen it, but can't find it
[06:45] <LjL> djk_: or maybe ntpd, in which case aptitude remove ntpd. or just do both, they're both NTP related anyway :)
[06:45] <Flosoft> What is the best KDE IRC Client?
[06:45] <Myk3> it just says loading
[06:45] <djk_> Konqueror Flosoft 
[06:45] <Myk3> xchat
[06:45] <Flosoft> ???
[06:45] <LjL> Flosoft: the two most used ones are Konversation and Ksirc, i think
[06:46] <LjL> Myk3: X-Chat isn't quite KDE
[06:46] <djk_> eh, yea, konversation..damn brain..
[06:46] <l3m> Flosoft: Konversation
[06:46] <Myk3> but it works
[06:46] <LjL> ah-ehm
[06:46] <LjL> yeah it works ;)
[06:46] <brodel> haha
[06:46] <nalioth> djk_: dunno what it is, i just know that burning them at the slowest speed seems to work better
[06:46] <Flosoft> ok ... brb
[06:47] <brodel> LjL: any ideas on my newest little issue? :)
[06:47] <nalioth> kvirc rulez them all
[06:47] <LjL> brodel: no, it works for me...
[06:47] <flosoft> hey again
[06:48] <LjL> brodel: does /media/usbX exist? tho i don't really think it's related
[06:48] <brodel> uh oh then
[06:48] <flosoft> what about KVIRC?
[06:48] <djk_> nalioth: it's a tricky thing. if you burn at a very slow speed with a highspeed cd burner it may kill the cd layer because the laser stays on the same spot for too long..
[06:48] <flosoft> that was my favourite under SuSE
[06:48] <brodel> hey /media/usbdisk is!
[06:48] <LjL> flosoft: well, i haven't used it, but it's there in ubuntu
[06:48] <brodel> and that's all my stuff
[06:49] <brodel> I wonder what is making that other box pop up :\
[06:49] <flosoft> but an old one
[06:49] <LjL> brodel: you know what? i *don't* have /media/usbdisk :) i have /media/usb0 and usb1
[06:49] <flosoft> 2 not 3
[06:49] <LjL> flosoft: maybe dapper has 3
[06:49] <flosoft> dapper?
[06:50] <djk_> which packages do i have to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without inet access? --currently installing kubuntu on it.
[06:51] <Myk3> when i goto the control center in kubuntu i cant g into admin monde
[06:51] <LjL> flosoft: the new development version of Ubuntu. if it's in dapper, you can do a backports request
[06:52] <flosoft> backports?
[06:52] <Myk3> can some one help me
[06:52] <djk_> Myk3: read the /topic
[06:52] <LjL> flosoft: backports is the repository where Dapper applications get, well, backported to Breezy, so that you can have newer versions without waiting for when Dapper is released
[06:52] <Myk3> i dont get it
[06:52] <Myk3> admin mode fix?
[06:53] <Myk3> so i need to update first
[06:53] <peppe> c6
[06:53] <LjL> flosoft: no, it doesn't seem to be in dapper. i think it still has version 2, strange. anyway, here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22375&highlight=kvirc is a thread about installing it
[06:53] <djk_> peppe: e5
[06:53] <djk_> peppe: e4*
[06:53] <Myk3> what is the command to change the ip to a dhcp addy in the term?
[06:54] <Myk3> ifconfig eth0?
[06:54] <Myk3> then what
[06:54] <LjL> flosoft: http://kvirc.net/?id=releases&platform=unix&version=3.2.0&group=debian
[06:54] <LjL> flosoft: might work, might not
[06:55] <Myk3> anyone
[06:55] <Myk3> ???
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> Myk3: dhclient eth0
[07:01] <Myk3> isnt working
[07:02] <douglas> Is anyone else experiencing a bug where you can't modify the menu with the menu editor, even if you go in and make changes and click save, it doesn't change?
[07:05] <robotgeek> douglas:  it's listed on the kubuntu site, i heard ppl talking abt it in here
[07:08] <Myk3> what file contains the dns ?
[07:10] <l3m>       /etc/resolv.conf
[07:11] <flosoft> LjL: it doesn't :s
[07:12] <flosoft> Riddell: So when do u think ur gonna add the download mirrors?
[07:12] <LjL> flosoft: :(
[07:12] <nalioth> Riddell: howdy, i made it through
[07:12] <LjL> what download mirrors?
[07:12] <LjL> nalioth: you've upgraded to... what?
[07:12] <douglas> robotgeek: Where is it listed, I can't find it in the known problems?
[07:13] <robotgeek> douglas: someone was talking about it, i am not sure. i don't use kde as such. sorry
[07:13] <douglas> it's cool.
[07:13] <nalioth> LjL: i moved my last machine from hoary to breezy
[07:14] <LjL> oic
[07:15] <NoTech> kkathman hi
[07:15] <Riddell> flosoft: added, thanks
[07:16] <Riddell> flosoft: you should add the MD5SUM files too
[07:16] <Tm_T> hmm, nice blue colour there ;)
[07:16] <NoTech> kkathman someone told me you can help me
[07:16] <nalioth> kkathman: we've been waiting you, professor
[07:16] <Riddell> flosoft: and settings up a torrent would be uber cool as I say :)
[07:16] <nalioth> NoTech: watch the colors please
[07:16] <NoTech> :)
[07:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: o7
[07:16] <NoTech> what colors?
[07:16] <kkathman> hey Tm_T :)
[07:16] <_andrea> hi people
[07:17] <nalioth> NoTech: your client is sending colored text to the channel
[07:17] <NoTech> sorry,i am using Invision Mirc,will try to remove colors,any ideas?
[07:18] <NoTech> better now?
[07:18] <brodel> yes
[07:18] <robotgeek> phew, i tht it was the changes i made to screen. 
[07:18] <NoTech> :)
[07:18] <NoTech> sry
[07:19] <gupta> Is there any way to get  rid of sudo and yet retain my home directory?
[07:19] <NoTech> i have installed kubuntu 5.10 now when i go to system configuration,and example bluetooth i can't modify nothing
[07:20] <NoTech> i presume i need to click on administrative privileges or something like that
[07:20] <NoTech> and it asks me a password,i write my psw and then it returns to the previous menu,but again i cant modify nothing
[07:20] <NoTech> any ideas?
[07:20] <nalioth> NoTech: he left
[07:20] <NoTech> :/
[07:20] <nalioth> NoTech: he'll be back
[07:21] <NoTech> maybe he is busy
[07:21] <NoTech> kkathman sry can u help me please?
[07:23] <Tm_T> NoTech: why you are using colours
[07:23] <etam> nalioth: i have burned it with 4X and there is the same problem :(, how can i check if the burned cd is ok?
[07:23] <NoTech> again? i tryed to remove them..
[07:23] <spity> hello
[07:25] <NoTech> Tm_T any ideas how i can remove colors? i don't see any when i type,sry
[07:25] <nalioth> etam: are you on linux or windows?
[07:25] <gupta> Anybody, is there a way to avoid using sudo without loggin in as root?
[07:25] <gupta> Y/N 
[07:26] <Tm_T> NoTech: what client you're using? and don't answer directly to me
[07:26] <etam> nalioth: windows
[07:26] <NoTech> Mirc invision
[07:26] <Tm_T> aha
[07:26] <djk_> which packages do i have to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without inet access? --currently installing kubuntu on it.
[07:26] <Tm_T> why
[07:27] <Tm_T> why mirc
[07:27] <Tm_T> oh why oh why :/
[07:27] <nalioth> etam: i dont know how to check in a cd in windows, however you can choose "expert install" and from there choose 'verify cd"
[07:27] <NoTech> cz i like it :)
[07:27] <etam> nalioth: ok, thanks
[07:27] <Tm_T> NoTech: I hate it already
[07:28] <djk_> mirc is like a hooker.. nice for the moment - but never a lasting friendship...
[07:29] <NoTech> didnt know to make u problems guyz! and don't answer directly to me
[07:29] <Tm_T> NoTech: haha, I said so because you use colours when answering directly
[07:29] <NoTech> k :)
[07:30] <NoTech> see u later guys
[07:35] <gupta> HOw should i add a user to the "root group"
[07:40] <robotgeek> gupta: why would you want to do that? 
[07:40] <kkathman> gupta: man useradd
[07:40] <kkathman> and read it :)
[07:41] <manveru> seems like he readed it, understood it and made a gentle rm -rf /
[07:42] <kkathman> manveru: thats not funny :)
[07:42] <kkathman> newbies might type what you tell them
[07:42] <kkathman> then they get all upset yanno :)
[07:46] <djk_> kkathman: oh well, he still has /home with that command ;)
[07:46] <kkathman> kik
[07:46] <kkathman> lol
[07:48] <djk_> sooooo. kubuntu is installed.. now which packages do i need to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without internet access?
[07:48] <djk_> anyone? anyone at all? ;)
[07:49] <oracel> :s
[07:50] <etam> nalioth: the cd is valid :|
[07:50] <nalioth> etam: then i'm lost, friend
[07:51] <etam> nalioth: have You got any other ideas? i can tell You that once the installation was ok, maybe some settings are wrong? maybe my laptop have sth specific?
[07:51] <etam> nalioth: ok, thank you very much for Your time
[07:53] <nalioth> etam: did your box install all the way or hang on the name and password fields?
[07:53] <etam> nalioth: all the way? what do You mean? iam not good at english as you
[07:54] <nalioth> etam: was your install successful? or did it stop during the install?
[07:55] <etam> nalioth: once it was all ok, everything! but all other tries was stopped by name and password fields
[07:55] <etam> nalioth: maybe i can set this step by the console?
[07:55] <nalioth> etam: can you log in from a console? 
[07:55] <djk_> will OOo2 load faster with XFCE instead of KDE ?
[07:56] <etam> nalioth: hmmm, i cant beacause the system isnt installed
[07:56] <etam> nalioth: i did it in the console which i could choose from the installation menu
[07:56] <nalioth> etam: have you been to #ubuntu-pl  ?
[07:57] <etam> nalioth: i will go there, thanks
[07:57] <nalioth> etam: you may have better help there (you may not)
[07:57] <brodel> I figured I'd try amarok since someone here earlier thought it was so great.. it won't play my MP3s.. so
[07:58] <etam> nalioth: there is no such channel :(
[07:58] <nalioth> or there is nobody in it
[07:58] <brodel> no one is there. I just went
[07:58] <etam> nalioth: now i am there ;)
[07:59] <nalioth> etam: good! are there people?
[08:00] <etam> nalioth: only me
[08:01] <nalioth> etam: try burning the iso again at the slowest speed you can
[08:01] <flosoft> Riddel: Why doesn't PM work?
[08:02] <hussam> flosoft: you need to register you nick to send a PM
[08:02] <etam> nalioth: the slowest is 4x :/
[08:02] <etam> nalioth: download any other cdburning soft and try again?
[08:03] <flosoft> hussam: how?
[08:04] <robotgeek> brodel: it doesn't play your mp3's. not good. try installing the package amarok-engines
[08:04] <nalioth> etam: did you burn it at 4x the first time?
[08:06] <hussam> flosoft: I don't remember much, I think /msg Nickserv <emailaddress> <password>
[08:06] <etam> nalioth: nope, i did it in 16, one hour ago a did it in 4x and it was the same error
[08:06] <hussam> flosoft: sorry /msg Nickserv REGISTER <emailaddress> <password>
[08:06] <nalioth> etam: do you have another cd drive?
[08:07] <aljosa> who is default user for postgres 8.0 installation on ubuntu?
[08:07] <etam> nalioth: no, i dont, this is laptop, i have only another cdrw devices, i tried them both :|
[08:08] <etam> nalioth: is there any net instalation possible?
[08:08] <nalioth> etam: this is from a usb cd drive?
[08:09] <etam> nalioth: no, this is normal cd drive
[08:10] <nalioth> etam: you mentioned "other cdrw devices"
[08:10] <brodel> bah amarok is weird
[08:11] <etam> nalioth: i mean burners in my desktop pc, on the desktop pc the installation was without that error
[08:11] <nalioth> etam: is the laptop old?
[08:11] <brodel> what engine should I be using?
[08:11] <NoTech> kkathman hi :)
[08:11] <brodel> Nooo
[08:11] <brodel> NoTech: colors are back
[08:12] <NoTech> :) dunno how to remove them,sry
[08:12] <brodel> oh.. it was just nick autocomplete I guess
[08:12] <manveru> NoTech: what client?
[08:12] <NoTech> next time will use another client
[08:12] <{slacky}> hello Riddell 
[08:12] <brodel> he's using mirc with the invision script
[08:12] <NoTech> invision mirc
[08:12] <etam> nalioth: nope, it is from september 2005
[08:12] <manveru> NoTech: uh... oh... argh! :)
[08:12] <brodel> hehe
[08:12] <NoTech> and why it is so a problem???
[08:13] <nalioth> etam: i'm lost at this point. perhaps burn it to another brand of media? (keep is slow, tho)
[08:13] <manveru> you destroy my decent colors ^^
[08:13] <NoTech> is kkathman again away? :/
[08:14] <etam> nalioth: ok, i will, thanks for your time once more
[08:14] <brodel> ok, I'm about fed up with amarok
[08:15] <aljosa> is there anybody here who uses postgres on ubuntu?
[08:16] <nalioth> etam: i'll be here, if you have other questions
[08:16] <a1exmr> helo! have any guide as ubuntuguide.org exclusive for kde (kubuntu 5.10) ?
[08:17] <a1exmr> algum brasileiro aqui ?
[08:17] <brodel> what?
[08:20] <a1exmr> sorry, have any guide as ubuntuguide.org exclusive for kde (kubuntu 5.10) ?
[08:20] <brodel> I don't think so but I'm a n00b
[08:22] <nalioth> ubuntulog: tell a1exmr about ubuntuguide
[08:22] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[08:22] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[08:22] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell zoexii about pastebin
[08:23] <nalioth> a1exmr: see what ubotu wrote about ubuntuguide
[08:23] <brodel> it's out of date..?!
[08:28] <jkeck> -j #ubuntu
[08:29] <darksoul> hey, when i upgraded to breezy, i noticed some new media players, but when i reinstalled with the cd, there not there, how do i get them?
[08:32] <brodel> do you know what they were?
[08:40] <Lord_Athur> hi! is there anyone with time for help to other one about something without relation to linux or kubuntu???
[08:40] <Lord_Athur> :D
[08:41] <brodel> what?
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> jejeje
[08:42] <Lord_Athur> I'm spanish and I don't speak English very well :P
[08:43] <Lord_Athur> :P
[08:53] <Riddell> Lord_Athur: /join #kubuntu-es
[08:53] <Lord_Athur> thanks Riddell 
[08:53] <Lord_Athur> :P
[09:03] <_arafat> is there a repository with qt 4.0.1 binaries for kubuntu (i've just found 4.0.0)?
[09:06] <treefrog> Hi guys.. can anyone help with wireless card setup.. it sems to be installed but still not connecting!!
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: if you run iwconfig from a shell you see the device info?
[09:11] <treefrog> humm. it is on the laptop and I'm on the desktop in konversation.. so I cant cut and past the result.. but it says ESSID:off/any
[09:11] <LeeJunFan> okay, what does it say for mode?
[09:12] <treefrog> managed
[09:12] <treefrog> and access point 00 00 
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> hehe, I was just about to ask that.
[09:12] <treefrog> sorry lots of 00
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> right, which means it's not associated. like you said.
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> what about enc? and do you have WEP on your network
[09:13] <_pvh> treefrog: Try doing a "sudo dhclient eth1"
[09:13] <_pvh> treefrog: I had a similar problem.
[09:13] <treefrog> did I say that.. sorry I'm still getting to grips with it all. No wep or other security set up.. thought it wold be better if it was all off 
[09:14] <treefrog> should that be wlan0 not eth1?
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: np, i was just saying that your assertion that it wasn't associating was correct.
[09:14] <_pvh> treefrog: It may be for your configuration, yes
[09:14] <treefrog> lol
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: dev name really doesn't matter, some drivers name them differently.
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: the wireless card won't associate unless the device is activated, so like _pvh said, try sudo dhclient eth1 - if you have dhcp on your network.
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> err, wlan0
[09:16] <treefrog> did that..
[09:16] <treefrog> listening on LPF
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> now does iwconfig show you a mac addr by access point?
[09:17] <treefrog> listening on LPF/wlan0/00:11:50 and so on
[09:17] <_pvh> My card always says "NOT READY!!!" or something to that effect before I prod it.
[09:17] <LeeJunFan> ah, still waiting. Sounds like it's not talking.
[09:17] <_pvh> iwlist scan is helpful too.
[09:17] <treefrog> looks like a mac add
[09:17] <_pvh> Does "iwlist scan" show you any access points?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: you got a real mac addy nex to access point now?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> nevermind, you mean in the dhclient script output.
[09:18] <treefrog> iwconfig still got 00 00 00 00 00 
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: integrated wireless?
[09:19] <treefrog> no Broadcom thing in a belkin pcmcia card
[09:20] <treefrog> followed a broadcom install allthe way .. seems to ok except.. not
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: using ndiswrapper?
[09:22] <treefrog> it was ubuntu HOW TO:  config wireless cards with broadcom chipset.. yup with ndiswrapper
[09:23] <treefrog> light gos on after boot. and it is listed as active or enabled in the sys settings
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I'm afraid I don't have any ndiswrapper experience and I'm beginning to think that's the basis of the problem.
[09:23] <treefrog> humm
[09:24] <treefrog> is there another way to install a driver
[09:24] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: if it's got a native linux driver available that's the best way. like with my card I use madwifi drivers on one, and hostap drivers on the other.
[09:25] <treefrog> no Broad com are not good for linux drivers. or so it seems.. 
[09:25] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I think it's safe to say neither of those will work for your card though or you wouldn't have needed ndiswrapper, ubuntu comes with both madwifi and hostap already.
[09:27] <treefrog> ok thanks for the time on it.. 
[09:28] <CellarDoor> hi all
[09:29] <CellarDoor> I'm just wondering about something. Its not that important but In kubuntu the trashcan is on the panel, which I quite like usually but I was wondering how one 'detatches' it and gets a trashcan back on the desktop ?
[09:30] <manveru> you can add a trashcan to your desktop
[09:30] <CellarDoor> oh
[09:30] <manveru> i would just drag&drop the one from the system-config menu
[09:31] <manveru> since the trashcan in kicker is an applet and you can not drag it for that reason
[09:31] <CellarDoor> ah rite
[09:32] <treefrog> join #kubuntu laptop
[09:32] <treefrog> oops
[09:33] <manveru>  /join #kubuntu-laptop is better :)
[09:33] <treefrog> thanks
[09:36] <RobertKnight> Hi - Does anyone know if future releases of Kubuntu are likely to have MPlayer included by default
[09:36] <manveru> very unlikely
[09:36] <CellarDoor> its not a kde app
[09:36] <RobertKnight> But KMPlayer is
[09:37] <CellarDoor> aah... I should apt-get install that and have a look
[09:37] <manveru> it is not in the debian-philosophy to provide packages wich use unfree libs
[09:37] <CellarDoor> manveru: I don't seem to be able to drag and drop the trashcan onto the desktop as it says its already there
[09:37] <Blissex> RobertKnight: it is very unlikely in part because MPlayer is a complicated beast, there is a ready-made KDE alternative, and as <manveru> says most people that want MPlayer want it because of the unfree libs.
[09:38] <RobertKnight> All I am interested in is being able to play RealPlayer, WMV, QuickTime etc. audio and video files from the web
[09:38] <CellarDoor> I've always found mplayer to be a real pain
[09:38] <manveru> CellarDoor: i see...
[09:38] <RobertKnight> It doesn't have to involve KMPlayer (which uses MPlayer), but that is the best and easiest solution that I have found.
[09:38] <rikva> RobertKnight: did you try vlc?
[09:39] <RobertKnight> No, does that integrate with Konqueror?
[09:39] <etam> nalioth: i have found the solution, if You are interested
[09:39] <nalioth> etam: yes please
[09:39] <rikva> RobertKnight: no it doesn't. it does in firefox
[09:39] <etam> nalioth: i was trying to mount /home as a fat32 partition :| without it it is all ok
[09:40] <RobertKnight> That isn't very useful for Kubuntu then, since Konqueror is the default web browser.
[09:40] <etam> nalioth: have you got any clue why?
[09:40] <nalioth> etam: that would definitely be the reason why. linux doesnt like fat32 filesystems for its home
[09:40] <CellarDoor> manveru: I'm hoping to find an option somewhere along the lines of "show trashcan" :P
[09:40] <etam> nalioth: :)
[09:40] <nalioth> etam: glad you got it fixed.
[09:40] <etam> nalioth: thanks for your help, really
[09:41] <manveru> CellarDoor: i just search for something...
[09:41] <nalioth> etam: np, drop in here or #kubuntu-offtopic anytime
[09:41] <RobertKnight> KMPlayer integrates nicely with Konqueror, and allows me to view video streams from bbc.co.uk, cnn etc.  Kubuntu seems to have very poor multimedia support by default.  I would really like to see this changed.  I realise that non-free Win32 binaries have to be included with the MPlayer libs, but this is not really an issue since, as I understand it, the MPlayer code itself is free and open.
[09:41] <CellarDoor> manveru: thanks, I'm trying to figure it out here too
[09:41] <etam> nalioth: thanks, bye, i have to configure it now :)
[09:42] <etam> nalioth:  at last :)))
[09:43] <CellarDoor> trashcan is in my "Desktop" directory, but not visible on the desktop...
[09:44] <treefrog> anyone have ane experence with sound on a laptop.. It all works amarok or mplayer but there is a strange gravel sound on all audio played.. 
[09:44] <manveru> treefrog: this can be due to powersave-mode
[09:45] <manveru> CellarDoor: it's odd, i just can't finde anything
[09:45] <CellarDoor> manveru: me neither :P
[09:46] <treefrog> manveru:  humm.. it is all turned off .. the battery is not so good so I turned it off. it should be off for best results right?
[09:47] <manveru> treefrog: i had the same problems, but i was using artsd wich has some really odd behaviours
[09:48] <Knowerrors> anybody else here having problems accessing usb cameras in breezy?
[09:50] <CellarDoor> manveru: hmm it just wont show the trashcan on the desktop
[09:50] <brodel> When I try to use Krdc it lets me enter in the info, but when I click ok at the prefrences screen it crashes and says "Could not start rdesktop; make sure rdesktop is properly installed."
[09:57] <treefrog> join#kubuntu laptop
[09:57] <treefrog> oops again.. lol
[10:01] <treefrog> it is strange I have a headset plugged into the laptop. and when I use the mouse I can hear more crackeling. like it is getting intreference from the memory or something!! anyideas
[10:02] <v-dogg> is there a shorcut to show desktop?
[10:02] <treefrog> v-dogg: like a minimist all thing?
[10:03] <v-dogg> yep
[10:04] <brodel> ctrl alt D
[10:05] <v-dogg> splendid, thanks
[10:05] <treefrog> deadly
[10:05] <brodel> np
[10:07] <_osh> so, now I've removed kaffeine since it wouldn't play anyting (vob, mpg, avi). what should I install and where would I find it? Neither videolan nor mplayer are in the repos.
[10:08] <treefrog> _osh: have you got the codecs installed?
[10:08] <_osh> treefrog: yep, found the w32codecs here: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[10:09] <_osh> treefrog: I assume it's them you're talking about.
[10:09] <treefrog> try this too. I dont know your links.. I'll have to look see now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:11] <_osh> treefrog: splendid. exactly the kind of link I was looking for. Now I might actually be able to get kubuntu to work for me. Thanks a whole lot. =)
[10:11] <treefrog> np it is what that link did for me.. :-)
[10:12] <treefrog> book mark it and then inscribe it on your desk
[10:12] <treefrog> lol
[10:12] <_osh> Will do. And it should probably be in /topic or some such too. The faq referred to there is for 5.04 which is slightly outdated...
[10:14] <`Nomad> Hi all,  I have an issue where my computer always shuts down when I select restart/reboot.  I have other OSes on here and never have that problem there.. Where can I look for a faulty setting, inittab seems fine..
[10:15] <treefrog> ya but that is the way the cooky crumbles. it is like that because I guess.. it is not part of the official ubuntu/kubuntu thing.. it being caught in licencing isues and all
[10:15] <_osh> `Nomad: I have the same issue. Haven't solved it yet.
[10:17] <_osh> treefrog: I was quite frustrated a few days ago when trying to play media and I couldn't find any help anywhere. Imho a "User friendly distribution" should play most media out of the box, or atleast tell how to enable it. But that's just me.
[10:17] <treefrog> _osh: must be something to do with integration with your hardware.. some parts are not being picked p propperly I guess
[10:18] <treefrog> _osh: userfrendly.. horses for courses. 
[10:18] <treefrog> it is true it is not ready for grandma to use yet
[10:18] <djk_pr0ning> _osh: hardly any distro comes with mp3 support out of the box
[10:19] <treefrog> and I wold like to get her to use it.. she is quite bright
[10:19] <treefrog> licencing issue
[10:19] <treefrog> every player that is shiped must pay a licence fee of 70cent or something
[10:20] <_osh> treefrog: Might be my hardware but I don't think so. Mandriva, gentoo and Fedora worked quite nicely. They all had some quirks so kubuntu here I come... =)
[10:20] <djk_> _osh: since you've had fedora.. did you have mp3 support by default? ;) 
[10:21] <_osh> djk_: No, but I think both gentoo and mandriva did.
[10:21] <treefrog> no I dont expect it is hardware.. it is ubuntu not picking up your hardware correct.. you are using a shipset that is not .. recognised fully yet.. I expect that is the case anyway.. 
[10:21] <nalioth> djk_: fedora has never had mp3 support ootb
[10:22] <_osh> treefrog: it's a dell lattitude so it's not really arcane hardware. but It might be that. Thanks for your attention, you've been most helpful.
[10:22] <`Nomad> _osh: thanks, good to know 
[10:23] <manveru> _osh: most likely mandriva has, since it is the most newbie-friendly distro i every met
[10:25] <treefrog> _osh:  doa search for your DELL model and see if there is anyong on it with Ubuntu.. one thing I have found is that the guys here write everying down.. 
[10:25] <_osh> treefrog: :-)
[10:26] <treefrog> manveru:  ur sound problem.. did you hear sound noise when you moved the mouse?
[10:28] <djk_> nalioth: i know.. it was a rethorical question since _osh complained about kubuntu not having mp3 support ootb ;)
[10:28] <nalioth> djk_: sorry, scanning several channels, assimiliating few :0
[10:29] <brodel> I can't play MP3s from a smb share on my windows machine? When I click open it copies it locally and then plays it.. why can't it just play?
[10:31] <djk_> nalioth: hehe, having fun?
[10:32] <nalioth> djk_: sure am
[10:33] <djk_> mmh what's the command to reconfigure x. i can't remember it entirely..
[10:35] <nalioth> !xcfg
[10:35] <ubotu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:36] <djk_> ah, thanks :) had xserver and xorg switched 
[10:38] <`Nomad> Could anyone share the URL for that page that gives you a source-list for apt-get?
[10:38] <djk_> !sources
[10:38] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:38] <djk_> there you go
[10:38] <`Nomad> thanks.. :)
[10:38] <[Surge] > I see the kernel in Breezy is 2.6.12 but the kernel headers are 2.6.11. Is that normal?
[10:38] <djk_> you're welcome :)
[10:38] <nalioth> !botsnack
[10:38] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[10:38] <`Nomad> I should hav etried that but my keywords usually bounce.. ;)
[10:41] <spiral> hello guys
[10:41] <[Surge] > Oh nevermind I'll upgrade the kernel anyway. :)
[10:42] <spiral> as I didn't find anything new in the kde 3.5rc1 repo, I'm asking again...
[10:42] <[Surge] > The dist-upgrade was cool - it almost worked without problems.
[10:42] <spiral> does anyone know if the other software are going to be packaged and if it will be during the end of this week-end or later ?
[10:42] <djk_> mmh, i'm not quite sure if this laptops card can handle 1024x768 but i'm pretty sure that things weren't as big in win 98 as they are now with 800x600.. should i just go with 1024x768 ?
[10:43] <nalioth> spiral: ridde11 is working very hard to package more things
[10:44] <nalioth> spiral: ridde11 also has to fix bugs
[10:44] <_StarScream> djk_: you could always reduce your font size ?
[10:44] <_StarScream> and use a smaller widget theme
[10:44] <`Nomad> I get that this line is wrong from the source-o-matuc..
[10:44] <`Nomad> # OpenOffice.org 2 final packages (packages)
[10:44] <`Nomad> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/
[10:44] <spiral> nalioth: all right, thanks for the informations... As long as there's hope to have the packages released.. ;-)
[10:45] <djk_> `Nomad: don't use the OOo2 line
[10:45] <`Nomad> ok
[10:45] <djk_> `Nomad: put a # in front of it, it's not working yet it seems
[10:45] <Delvien> Anyone know how i remove the ipw2200 i installed, and it doesnt work 
[10:46] <djk_> _StarScream: where do i select a smaller widget theme? i'm not used to 12'' screens..
[10:47] <`Nomad> darn.. I was hoping it would resolve my issue with the plf repo. not being available.. I'm stuck with a wrong version libdvdcss after following the FAQ instructions.   Oh well, no emergengy I guess
[10:47] <_StarScream> djk_: erm...kcontrol or what ever the equiv is in kubuntu (not infront of my kubuntu machine atm)
[10:48] <`Nomad> antesis.freecontrib.org  is down it seems.. Is there a list of alternative plf sites?
[10:48] <`Nomad> !plf
[10:48] <ubotu> `Nomad: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:49] <nalioth> `Nomad: they are on scheduled down time. they'll be back
[10:50] <`Nomad> ok doke
[10:50] <djk_> _StarScream: mmh, and where exactly? appearance?
[10:50] <_StarScream> djk_: well yeh, kubuntu changes it around a bit, in slackware its under style in Apearance and Themes
[10:53] <djk_> _StarScream: ah i know now where and what you mean..well, i could change that but that doesn't change the size of windows it seems...
[10:54] <_StarScream> hmm, it does for me to some extent, depending on the theme and also the size of the font.
[10:56] <fatejudger> is there a way to play m4v files in Kaffeine?
[10:56] <crimsun> install libfaad2-0
[10:56] <crimsun> (multiverse)
[10:56] <crimsun> actually you'lle need gstreamer0.8-faad
[10:56] <crimsun> -e
[10:57] <crimsun> (unless you're using kaffeine-xine)
[10:57] <fatejudger> ugh, gstreamer
[10:57] <nalioth> fatejudger: what is a m4v? 
[10:57] <fatejudger> I can't get anything to play in that
[10:57] <nalioth> fatejudger: i know what a mp4 and  a m4a and a m4p are
[10:57] <fatejudger> I switched back to xine about a week ago
[10:57] <fatejudger> nalioth: I think it might be an iPod Video filetype
[10:58] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah, I've always been a xine user, I tried gstreamer twice and both times it just sucked.
[10:58] <nalioth> fatejudger: libfaac and libfaad and gstreamer0.8-faac and -faad should play it if it's not encrypted
[10:58] <djk_> which packages do i need to download (as deb) so i can burn them and install xfce4 on this laptop? -- no inet access with it 
[10:58] <fatejudger> nalioth: do I need all 3 of those packages to play it in gstreamer?
[10:59] <nalioth> probably just the gstreamer ones, fatejudger 
[10:59] <nalioth> fatejudger: IF it's not an encrypted file
[10:59] <seth_k> djk_, sudo apt-get install -s xubuntu-desktop will tell you :)
[10:59] <fatejudger> what is up with gstreamer anyway, it doesn't seem like it plays many file formats as compared to xine
[10:59] <fatejudger> and always seems to have errors
[10:59] <seth_k> djk_, notice the -s for simulate
[11:00] <LeeJunFan> djk_: it's tough to say, but can you download one of the DVD iso's and burn it? the DVD has universe on it.
[11:00] <djk_> seth_k: will that also show packages needed i might already have?
[11:01] <seth_k> djk_, if you run it on the laptop, no. Have you ever set up universe on the laptop before?
[11:01] <LeeJunFan> seth_k: I think the point is he's not on that laptop now and he may already have the depencancies installed on his current system.
[11:01] <djk_> seth_k: the laptop does not have inet access
[11:01] <seth_k> at all? ok. I thought it might have had it in the past
[11:01] <seth_k> and no other ubuntu system to run that command on?
[11:01] <djk_> LeeJunFan: exactly, the laptop sits next to me and is being configured :)
[11:01] <djk_> seth_k: well, this one...but as i said, this might have packages already..
[11:02] <LeeJunFan> djk_: plus of course there are a lot of xfce packages to consider.
[11:02] <seth_k> apt-cache depends xfce4 shows the bare minimum xfce installation
[11:03] <seth_k> without regards to what you already have installed
[11:03] <seth_k> use that
[11:03] <LeeJunFan> xfce uses gtk doesn't it? So one would have less to download if started with ubuntu iso probably right?
[11:04] <djk_> LeeJunFan: it took about an hour and 10 mins to install kubuntu on it.. i think downloading a bit more won't take that long ;)
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> you know, that would be a neat tool for someone to work on that would generate a deps list for an apt-get on a fresh CD install of ubuntu/kubuntu.
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> where does dpkg keep it's list of installed packages?
[11:18] <Futal> LeeJunFan: what do you mean, I don't understand what this tool should do?
[11:23] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[11:26] <LeeJunFan> Futal: something that would show dependancies would be required on a base installation.
[11:27] <LeeJunFan> ie djk_ could go to a webpage and type in xfce4 and it would tell him all the packages it would install starting from a fresh installed system.
[11:29] <djk_> yea that would be quite useful
[11:29] <unsurreal> dpkg --get-selections | grep packagename
[11:31] <LeeJunFan> unsurreal: yeah, but that tells you what it is based on your current system with other packages already installed.
[11:32] <LeeJunFan> unsurreal: I mean for use by someone who might be looking to build their own micro repository, they need to know what to download and burn to CD to have to compliment their install CD.
[11:33] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: packages.ubuntu.com has a good list of that sort
[11:33] <Kao|Sleep> LeeJunFan: couldnt you simply copy all the debs that you installed to another directory, make a script to install them all and burn it?
[11:33] <djk_> mmh, is there a way to configure the kde clock in the konsole?
[11:34] <unsurreal> apt-get -s ?
[11:34] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, but that would be for my system I have now, not necessarily one I would plan on putting together.
[11:34] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: yeah, true...
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> unsurreal: still based on your current running system. If you were working on your testbed at the time that would work, but he's starting from scratch and installing on a system other than the one he's working on.
[11:35] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: what packages are you wanting to include?
[11:36] <LeeJunFan> djk_: want's to have a package list for all deps for xfce4 on a fresh kubuntu install.
[11:36] <Myk3> hey i think there is backports for breezy now
[11:36] <treefrog> LeeJunFan: can I bug you a sec about that wireless thing again..
[11:36] <Myk3> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[11:37] <nalioth> Myk3: there are backports repos now, but they are empty of pkgs atm
[11:38] <Myk3> do u see it?
[11:39] <treefrog> Ok anyone free for me to bug about this wireles card setup?
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> i need to resize /home.. but i cant get logged in  where /home is not busy...
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> if i were to create a new username, and make his home directory /<username> instead of /home/<username>..
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> and then login as that user, would /home still be busy?
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> to where i could unmount it and resize it?
[11:40] <chaoticgeek> I'm having a lil problems with my video.
[11:40] <treefrog> KaoticEvil:  I'm not sure but Y not just log in as root or admin or something!!!
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> treefrog: ive tried that...
[11:41] <chaoticgeek> I boot up to KDE and instead of getting the login, well I get the console.
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> even when i login as root from the console, it still says /home is busy
[11:42] <chaoticgeek> how do I update the video drivers from the command line? I have ati built in to my mother board.
[11:42] <treefrog> KaoticEvil:  would it not let you log i or what? settgin up another user will not change much if root cant do it. 
[11:42] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: could you just use the install CD, go into the paritioning and resize from there?
[11:42] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: is that destructive?
[11:43] <treefrog> KaoticEvil:  tht is a good Idea from LeeJunFan. it wont be destructive unless it is a windows partition. 
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I honestly don't know about resizing ext3, but I know you can resize fat and ntfs from there non destructive. You just view the parition properties and put a new size in basically.
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: hehe. conflicting views.
[11:43] <treefrog> ya
[11:43] <treefrog> cool ha
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I resized my windows w/o losing it on a couple machines.
[11:44] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: but I have never resized a linux partition.
[11:44] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i was trying to do it without rebooting :P
[11:44] <treefrog> qtparted and tparted all resize linux partitions safe as far as my experence goes
[11:44] <KaoticEvil> treefrog: ive got gparted, but it wont unmount /home
[11:44] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you have to make sure nothing is using /home, then you can unmount it to do the resizing. check out 'man fuser' and/or 'man lsof' to find what's using /home
[11:45] <kojak> aanyone know what plugins i need to play streming audio?
[11:45] <treefrog> .. home is a partition is it?
[11:45] <KaoticEvil> treefrog: yeah, /dev/hda3
[11:46] <chaoticgeek> ok I think I may have found the drivers on ATI's site
[11:46] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: 'lsof -n | egrep /home | awk '{print $2}' | sort -n | uniq' will give you a list of the pids of all processes using /home
[11:46] <chaoticgeek> I hope that I can run them from the command line to update my drivers
[11:46] <treefrog> now I see.. and root uses /home too.. humm bootable CD is the best way.. what distrows you got that boot. DSL and UBCD are amazing for this sort of stuff. 
[11:46] <KaoticEvil> whoa...
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: told you I could do anything with bash :)
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> thats one HELLUVA command...
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> lol
[11:47] <treefrog> knopix too. 
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> i believed you before :P
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> for x in `lsof -n | egrep /home | awk '{print $2}' | sort -n | uniq` ; do kill $x ; done        ---------- will kill all those processes
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> sheesh
[11:48] <treefrog> ooch.. you know your stuff..
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> ok...
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: lemme get a root console login.. and try that again :P
[11:48] <treefrog> he just typed that up out of his head too.. lol
[11:48] <chaoticgeek> wow
[11:48] <chaoticgeek> I wanna be able to do that
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: would my idea work tho? the user creation and all that?
[11:48] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you may have to use kill -9 for some things that won't die nicely.
[11:49] <LeeJunFan> I didn't catch that.
[11:49] <KaoticEvil> doesnt kill use sigterm ?
[11:49] <KaoticEvil> if i were to create a new username, and make his home directory /<username> instead of /home/<username>..
[11:49] <KaoticEvil> and then login as that user, would /home still be busy?
[11:50] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: it shouln't be.
[11:50] <KaoticEvil> ok
[11:50] <KaoticEvil> i think ill try that first ;) :P
[11:50] <treefrog> LeeJunFan: can I get you to comment on my wireless stuff again?
[11:51] <chaoticgeek> ya...
[11:51] <chaoticgeek> the ati drivers come as a .run package will I run into any big problems if I just go ./<pkgname>.run
[11:51] <chaoticgeek> ?
[11:51] <treefrog> Ok so I looked at this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto and see the difference wetween that and my result
[11:52] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I can try.
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> bbl...
[11:52] <LeeJunFan> knowing that much about linux and computers comes at the expense of forgetting to get milk on my 5 min trip to the store - to get milk. hehe
[11:52] <treefrog> my result has signal level -10 dbm and such
[11:52] <treefrog> lol
[11:52] <treefrog> milk
[11:52] <chaoticgeek> ...
[11:53] <treefrog> I have noise level value too. 
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: that is an aweful signal level.
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: noise is probably about -95
[11:53] <treefrog> and link quality is 100/100
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> oh? that doesn't seem right.
[11:54] <treefrog> now it is not any paticular network.. 
[11:54] <treefrog> the Access Point is still at 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 but so is the result in the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> hehe, regina - the city that rhymes with fun.
[11:55] <treefrog> regina!!
[11:55] <treefrog> what you on. !
[11:56] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I dunno, all my experience with real linux supported cards show the MAC addy of the access point.
[11:56] <treefrog> I C
[11:56] <treefrog> humm
[11:56] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: they just had a commercial for a new movie on, that's what one of the people said when they said they were filming in Regina.
[11:57] <treefrog> strange.. where you at.. like what country
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: US.
[11:57] <treefrog> Oh 
[11:57] <treefrog> you get odd adds there..
[11:57] <treefrog> lo
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: yeah, the name doesn't sound like USA does it? :)
[11:57] <treefrog> you evr seen the european TV
[11:57] <treefrog> it is so different
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> LeeJunFan is Bruce Lee's birth given name.
[11:58] <treefrog> some one is digging. lol
[11:59] <treefrog> Ok I got to go to bed.. it is 11pm.. work and all that.. later guys. enjoy 
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> later.
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> I gotta run and pick up my kid from my sister in laws myself.
[12:02] <chaoticgeek> I'm so lost
[12:03] <mae> is there any good _complete_ alternatives to crystal svg?
[12:03] <mae> icons