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[12:04] <jbailey> zyga_laptop: Right.  That's a kernel packaging problem.  Add -t to the command line in the meantime to fix that.
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[12:06] <zyga_laptop> jbailey: no no
[12:06] <zyga_laptop> jbailey: I'm talking about bad grammar
[12:06] <zyga_laptop> 'was been'? is that wabbit talk?
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[12:16] <kmr> comparing trac and eventum, it seems like trac will be more helpful as a bts for our interal development. The integration with subversion is a win for us.
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[12:25] <netdur> hey, is Matthew Paul Thomas here?
[12:26] <crimsun> mpt is not online presently.
[12:26] <netdur> how do I contact him?
[12:27] <netdur> ubuntu-devel?
[12:27] <netdur> I mean maillist
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[02:00] <neuralis> Treenaks, ping
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[02:31] <Simira> ahrgle...
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[04:53] <Aegir> I gotta get me one of them sexeh Ubuntu stickers for my laptop... If the damn thing ever comes back from the repair shop...
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[06:16] <moquist> I'm new to packaging, and I've used dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot on the game 'apricots'.  dpkg-buildpackage seems to build [almost?]  everything, and then it errs out.  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d4452 shows the error I'm getting; I don't understand why fakeroot isn't taking care of the "Permission denied" problem.
[06:17] <Amaranth> moquist: #ubuntu-motu is probably better for packaging help
[06:17] <moquist> Amaranth: right.  thx.
[06:17] <Amaranth> that's where the excellent masters of the universe hang out
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[06:18] <crimsun> the error's pretty simple; you used an absolute path
[06:18] <crimsun> -ECHANNEL
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[06:37] <feugan3333> Hi all. Is there documentation on how apt works? I want to know exactly what happens when I specify the "-b" option to apt-get source package1.
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[06:38] <Amaranth> man apt-get
[06:38] <Amaranth> -b just builds it the same way you could with dpkg-buildpackage
[06:39] <feugan3333> Thanks Amaranth, so I need to look at dpkg's documentation?
[06:40] <Amaranth> i guess
[06:40] <Amaranth> if you're looking for some kind of architectural overview I don't think one exists.
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[06:45] <feugan3333> Amaranth: What I really want to do is build a package with debug information included. I don't think there is any way to do this with apt,dpkg,etc. I would just download the source from the packages site and then build it that way. But I'm having trouble getting this to work. So I'd like to see what was done to get the package to build on ubuntu.
[06:46] <Amaranth> ah, well, that's easier
[06:46] <crimsun> remove the call to dh_strip
[06:46] <Amaranth> it's just an environment variable you set before you run apt-get -b source package
[06:46] <Amaranth> i can't remember the variable though
[06:46] <crimsun> should be NOSTRIP
[06:47] <crimsun> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt,debug
[06:47] <feugan3333> Thanks crimsun, Amaranth
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[07:10] <Treenaks> `/lastlog treenaks
[07:10] <Treenaks> hm
[07:11] <Treenaks> neuralis: pong
[07:11] <Amaranth> sounds good
[07:12] <Amaranth> err -ECHANNEL
[07:12] <Treenaks> yay 7:12 on a Sunday morning ;)
[07:12] <Amaranth> yay 12:14 on a sunday morning
[07:13] <Treenaks> Amaranth: 12:14?! what kind of place are you in then?
[07:14] <Amaranth> middle of the us
[07:14] <Treenaks> oh wait, 0:14
[07:14] <Treenaks> not 12:14 ;)
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[10:32] <feugan3333> Does here use anyone use dh_make?
[10:33] <feugan3333> Err, Does anyone here use dh_make?
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[10:42] <zyga> feugan3333: probably
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[10:43] <pef> hello
[10:48] <feugan3333> zyga: I think there is a bug in the script at line 405. Mine says "if ( -x '/usr/bin/bzip2' && -x '/usr/bin/gizp' )"
[10:48] <zyga> feugan3333: looking
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[11:00] <zyga> feugan3333: re
[11:01] <zyga> feugan3333: so what is the bug?
[11:03] <feugan3333> zyga: what the hell is gizp? I think they mean gzip. And it is not located in /usr/bin. It's located in /bin
[11:03] <zyga> feugan3333: ahh!
[11:03] <zyga> I didn't notice the typo
[11:04] <zyga> good catch!
[11:04] <zyga> will you mail the maintainer?
[11:04] <feugan3333> Neither did I, untill struggling for a few minutes
[11:04] <zyga> and file a bug about it
[11:04] <feugan3333> sure, do I need to create a patch?
[11:04] <zyga> mark it as trivial
[11:04] <zyga> feugan3333: you could, it's a one liner :)
[11:05] <feugan3333> zyga: where do I post the bug report? :-)
[11:05] <zyga> feugan3333: bugzilla.ubuntu.com or .debian.org
[11:05] <feugan3333> thanks
[11:06] <zyga> feugan3333: thanks for taking a look at it :)
[11:07] <feugan3333> sure, it's nice to actually contribute :-)
[11:09] <feugan3333> Seems like someone found it first: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17846
[11:10] <feugan3333> but they don't seem to notice that gzip is not located in /usr/bin
[11:11] <zyga> add a comment
[11:11] <feugan3333> ok
[11:11] <zyga> and attach a patch too
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[11:15] <feugan3333> zyga: How do I create a patch. Is a unified patch good enough? "diff -u oldfile newfile > mypatch"
[11:15] <zyga> feugan3333: perfect
[11:15] <zyga> diff -u is great
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[01:10] <smurf> elmo: Please get gnutls12 from Debian
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[01:19] <pef> elmo: please add my gpg key to keyring so I can upload to archive (gpgid: 601FA31D, launchpad id: loic)
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[01:35] <zyga> has anyone seen pitti/
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[01:39] <mdke> zyga, it is sunday
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[01:43] <highvoltage> sunday bloody sunday
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[01:47] <zyga> sunday is the day I get worried about monday's project
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[01:52] <zyga> anyone with little kernel knowledge around
[01:52] <zyga> I've recompiled the standard ubuntu i386 kernel
[01:52] <tseng> its much easier to ask your question and hope for an answer than keep asking about presence
[01:52] <zyga> but after booting it panics with
[01:53] <zyga> 'unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[01:53] <zyga> and before that: cannot open root device hda1 or unknown block(0,0)
[01:53] <zyga> what did I do wrong?
[01:54] <mdke> they can probably help you in #ubuntu
[01:54] <zyga> will try but I don't have high hopes
[01:54] <mdke> well your hopes are higher there than off-topic in here tbh
[01:54] <Seveas> #ubuntu-devel is not for support
[01:55] <mdke> zyga, alternatively, try the support mailing lists or the forums
[01:55] <HiddenWolf> zyga, either you don't have ide-support enabled, or it's something with lvm, would be my guess.
[01:55] <tseng> HiddenWolf: more like he didnt build and load an initrd
[01:55] <zyga> mdke: I'll check the forums
[01:56] <zyga> I used make-kpgk
[01:56] <zyga> okay, in #ubuntu
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[04:08] <\sh> grmpf...wtf is this?
[04:08] <Treenaks> this is IRC
[04:08] <Treenaks> Welcome.
[04:08] <\sh> infinity: ping 
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[04:21] <mdke> does anyone around know much about keybuk's bootchart package?
[04:21] <mdke> i get an error when installing, and I wondered if it is problematic
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[04:29] <mdke> http://pastebin.com/427780
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[04:32] <\sh> damnit
[04:32] <\sh> gajim orig.tar.gz in ubuntu is smaller then debians version...which means katie is bitching around...
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[04:54] <slomo_> \sh: not the first package this merge-round with this problem :/
[04:55] <\sh> slomo_: sadly...it means I can forget about the merge and merge upstream changes and debian changes by hand..or I bring in gajim 0.9.0+cvs
[04:55] <highvoltage> should i have gotten any kind of notification for the lpbugs i sent yesterday? i still can't see anythin on launchpad about it.
[04:56] <slomo_> \sh: make a -Xubuntu1 with the merged changes... where's the problem?
[04:56] <slomo_> \sh: it only means that we have to care for it for the remaining time of 0.8.2
[04:57] <\sh> slomo_: our package is 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 debian is 0.8.2-1 and we will have 0.8.2-1ubuntu1
[04:59] <slomo_> \sh: yes
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[05:30] <\sh> slomo_: and this is now the problem..because 0.8.2-1 orig.tar.gz is some bytes bigger then 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 
[05:31] <slomo_> \sh: upload a 0.8.2-1ubuntu1 which uses our different tarball
[05:32] <\sh> slomo_: for that I have to find out what is different between our tarball and the debian one...because we used the normal upstream tarball
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[05:33] <slomo_> \sh: yes... diff it ;) i guess debian took a tar.bz2 and repackaged it...
[05:34] <slomo_> pitti: hi, do you have the time to look at a MainInclusionReport atm?
[05:34] <\sh> slomo_: argl
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[06:47] <\sh> infinity: can u please have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/ardour/0.99-3ubuntu1/ardour_0.99-3ubuntu1_20051110-0202-i386-failed.gz because it has this little nasty scons bug again....thx :)
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[07:01] <Manny> hi
[07:03] <Manny> I'm not sure whether to ask here or in #ubuntu-motu...I'm supposed to get Ubuntu play nicely with ThinkPads. It looks like most of the software is available already (kernel, xorg drivers for the special mouse device etc.). Whom do I have to contact to get the packages into ubuntu, and which packages are suitable? Is there an additional laptop-related driver package, or should this go into stock xorg/stock kernels?
[07:03] <Manny> by stock I mean the stock ubuntu packages, not the stock tarball
[07:04] <Manny> for instance, http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/touchpad/2.6.11/ has a kernel patchset. Am I supposed to just file a bug report an lean back?
[07:06] <lifeless> Manny: I suggest you file bugs for all of them
[07:07] <lifeless> Manny: and then depending on the reaction you may need to do new packages, put patches in existing packages etc
[07:07] <Manny> lifeless, thanks
[07:07] <lifeless> Manny: also, if you think a patch to an existing package is appropriate, do that when you file the bug
[07:07] <Manny> lifeless, new bugs through launchpad, right?
[07:07] <lifeless> Manny: that way the person getting it can decide to just apply the patch :)
[07:07] <Manny> lifeless, so I should try them out and compile them by hand first?
[07:08] <lifeless> Manny: re launchpad for new bugs, I don't know if the transition happened yet.
[07:08] <Manny> the problem with hardware-related patches is always that WFM doesn't mean works for all
[07:08] <lifeless> Manny: I would file the bugs first. That way discussion starts now,.
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[07:18] <Manny> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19566 if any kernel bug triager is interested
[07:20] <siretart> Manny: which packages are missing?
[07:22] <Manny> siretart, I think none, xorg-driver-synaptics seems to be available :)
[07:22] <siretart> Manny: it is.
[07:22] <siretart> Manny: did you check which of these patches are actually missing in the ubuntu kernel?
[07:24] <Manny> siretart, I grepped the debian changelog, and neither found synaptic nor [Tt] hink[Pp] ad nor TAP
[07:25] <Manny> let me check...
[07:26] <siretart> I remember there has been quite some work on getting alps support right
[07:28] <Manny> hrm you seem to use a driver called cPad. http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/touchpad/2.6.11/ has patches for alps stuff, though. The alps.c file is almost not touched with the current kernel diffs.
[07:28] <Manny> (at least with patch-2.6.12-9.23)
[07:29] <mdke> Manny, our head laptop guy is mjg59, you can try getting in touch with him too if you like.
[07:29] <Manny> mjg59, ping
[07:30] <mdke> Manny, you can also try the laptop testing mailing list, see http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/laptop-testing-team
[07:30] <mdke> he reads that, in case you don't catch him here
[07:30] <Manny> mdke, thanks
[07:30] <mdke> np
[07:30] <mdke> i have a thinkpad myself
[07:31] <Manny> mdke, he's also available on the GIMPnet, so I can bug him whenever I want :)
[07:31] <mdke> sure
[07:32] <neuralis> Treenaks, ping
[07:33] <mdke> Manny, oh, one last place is #ubuntu-laptop
[07:36] <siretart> lol: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbp_/61725150/
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[10:29] <thierry_> how could I take a list of files and open all of them with gedit at once in a bash script?
[10:29] <crimsun> -ECHANNEL
[10:30] <crimsun> but you'd just pass them to gedit, like: gedit a b c d e f [...] 
[10:31] <thierry_> ok and to count how many files I have in the list?
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[10:44] <mdke> i wonder if there is something wrong with the mailing list
[10:44] <mdke> every SINGLE time I post to it and someone replies, I get two copies, one from the list and one from the sender
[10:45] <daniels> err
[10:45] <daniels> look at the To field
[10:45] <daniels> it
[10:45] <daniels> 'll have you and the list both there
[10:45] <mdke> it has me in the to field, and the list in Cc
[10:45] <mdke> it only happens on -devel
[10:45] <bob2> someone should invent a header that specifies if you should get a CC or not on list-replies
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[10:46] <mdke> the mailing list shouldn't be sending me mail where I am in the to field, iirc
[10:46] <mdke> for example, on the -doc list, people reply-to-all constantly, and I never get two copies
[10:46] <mdke> only on -devel
[10:46] <neuralis> mdke, that's a configurable mailman setting which most list admins do not turn on.
[10:46] <mdke> yeah
[10:46] <daniels> reply-to-list is crack
[10:47] <mdke> daniels, it's not reply-to munging, it is just the list doesn't send the person mail if they are in the to field
[10:47] <mdke> it's a pain getting two copies of everything
[10:48] <daniels> there's a very common procmail recipe you can find that caches message-ids and throws away duplicates
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[10:49] <mdke> i don't use procmail
[10:54] <mdke> neuralis, ah could it be first_strip_reply_to that you were referring to?
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[10:55] <neuralis> mdke, no, actually it looks i was misremembering. mailman has a "do not send members a copy of their own post" switch, and i thought i saw a "do not send members a copy of replies for which they're in the To/CC field", but i was wrong.
[10:56] <mdke> well something must do it, because -devel is the only list I get two copies of peoples' mails
[10:56] <neuralis> mdke: do the other lists have explicit reply-to headers set?
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[10:58] <mdke> neuralis, i'm not sure, i can post two headers, one from -doc and one from -devel
[10:59] <mdke> http://pastebin.com/428302 and http://pastebin.com/428303
[11:00] <neuralis> 428303 is not a list mail, it's a reply that was sent to you personally.
[11:00] <mdke> ah
[11:01] <neuralis> look at the headers for any *list* mail on -doc, and see if the Reply-To: <-doc list address> header is there.
[11:01] <mdke> i guess because the list didn't send me a copy of that one, because I was in To:
[11:01] <mdke> try 428308
[11:02] <mdke> no hang on
[11:02] <neuralis> yes, that's devel, and incidentally that's the mail i just sent you ;)
[11:02] <mdke> 428310
[11:03] <mdke> heh, coincidence
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[11:05] <neuralis> well, you have evolution sending a Reply-To: <you> header anyway, so if you didn't get a duplicate of the 428303 paste, it's a mailman setting i'm not familiar with.
[11:05] <mdke> i'm poking around in mailman to see if I can find it
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[11:10] <kapputu> Hello everyone, I would like to spend my spare time on Ubuntu, I have no specific interests but initially I'd like to be told to do till I find my grounding 
[11:10] <kapputu> *told what to do 
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[11:10] <kapputu> how should I go about it?
[11:11] <neuralis> kapputu, you can help with documentation or bug triaging on the less technical side, and packaging on the more technical side. 
[11:11] <mdke> kapputu, if you are interested in development, #ubuntu-motu. if documentation http://doc.ubuntu.com, if art http://art.ubuntu.com, etc
[11:11] <neuralis> kapputu, #ubuntu-motu for packaging, #ubuntu-doc for documentation.
[11:11] <kapputu> what's motu?
[11:12] <mdke> actually, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate has a rather good list of stuff
[11:12] <neuralis> kapputu, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:12] <kapputu> I think I'd like to get started with documentation since that'd give me a better understanding of things
[11:12] <mdke> kapputu, definitely check out doc.ubuntu.com then
[11:13] <kapputu> thanks folks 
[11:13] <kapputu> I'll do as you guys suggested 
[11:14] <mdke> welcome to the community
[11:14] <kapputu> thanks mdke 
[11:15] <kapputu> I have been making use of open-source a lot and I think it's time I gave something back
[11:17] <mdke> :)
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[11:57] <Burgundavia> neuralis, you still up?
[11:58] <neuralis> Burgundavia, yeah, give me three minutes, busy atm
[11:58] <Burgundavia> neuralis, np
[11:59] <Burgundavia> neuralis, when you get a chance, can you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterLaptopTesting