[12:04] interesting, ok [12:05] otherwise, try the laptop-testing-team mailing list [12:05] http://lists.ubuntu.com [12:06] please don't tell me he is a bot :-), just kidding [12:07] nah, but if you're in the same timezone, you'll be ok [12:07] ok [12:07] kapputu, check out that mailing list, and the #ubuntu-laptop channel [12:07] mjg59 is the head laptop dude [12:08] jjesse, about kubuntu, releasenotes and kquickguide on help.u.c now [12:08] mdke, do you work on documentation? [12:08] i guess so [12:09] so what do you document? [12:09] i seem to do more work on infrastructure than actually writing anything though [12:09] kapputu, our documents for Breezy are on help.ubuntu.com. Our work in progress projects you can find at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects [12:10] for documentation, the wiki documentation is an excellent entry point - there is a lot of community contributed documentation that needs love [12:11] community-contributed documentation? [12:12] yeah [12:12] anyone can edit the wiki, it's totally free access [12:13] so it get's a little untidy sometimes [12:13] the list of documents is at wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation [12:13] wiki.u.c/CategoryCleanup has a lot of pages that need work listed [12:15] hey Burgundavia i changed the fonts of help.u.c, do you think it is a good idea? [12:26] is there any way to capture the knowledge dispersed in IRC [12:27] people resolve a lot of problems here but does it make it to the docs? [12:29] i suppose people are inspired to write things down which arise frequently [12:29] recently we've been trying to think about ways of getting good feedback about what is missing from the docs [12:29] but it's difficult to get statistics from irc [12:30] only feedback from people who help often [12:32] hmm yeah it's difficult [12:32] but if we can have people follow a standard then it'd make it easy to parse the text [12:33] like all problems should start with 'Problem:' else it'd be ignored [12:37] heh [12:37] can't see that working, most people don't even read the topic [12:38] kapputu, one team member wrote a spec yesterday for something feedback-related, it is v young, but feel free to comment: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamCompIdeas [12:47] we'd need to figure out a web form for that too actually :) [01:05] mdke, hmm, looks good [01:05] good [01:05] i don't like big fonts [01:06] mdke, https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/launchpad-knowledgebase [01:06] that the jbaileys idea [01:07] mdke, I like the reorg too [01:07] supercool [01:07] the reorg on help.u.c? [01:07] yes [01:08] ah good [01:08] i wonder if we can put some edubuntu docs up there === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-158-109.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kapputu [n=sg47@c-67-188-84-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [05:17] for a good laugh [05:17] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89926 [05:23] hmm, interesting [05:24] 3 & 7 are the only ones I would be interested in === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:23] hi all [06:29] salut Madpilot [06:29] Madpilot, about to head to C's, but are you interested in helping the vlug website? [06:31] Burgundavia: what does it need? [06:32] a compete redesign? [06:32] just had a look, and yeah, it could use some love [06:32] do you want to meet sometime this week and talk about it? [06:32] sure [06:33] here, or is there a VLUG meeting this coming week? [06:33] I just emailed dad about going to dinner there sometime this week [06:33] vlug was last week, missed it [06:33] your place would be good [06:33] Tuesday night? [06:33] sure [06:33] I'm busy Weds. & Thurs. night [06:33] ah [06:34] cool - I'm at work until 6 Tues. night, but come by anytime after 6:30 [06:34] shall I ping the vlug discuss list to ask if anyone wants to come and join the redesign discussion? [06:34] sure [06:34] I should actually join VLUG and get on that list... [06:35] the redesign of Andrea's website went live this afternoon [06:37] cool [06:38] holy crap most of the info on the website in ancient [06:38] using a totally new install of XP was... interesting... [06:38] s/in.is [06:38] Madpilot, have they already bought the new machine [06:38] ? [06:38] yes [06:38] grr [06:38] our parents baffle me [06:38] it's theoretically more powerful than either of ours - except for half the RAM - but it crawls w/ XP Home... [06:39] ouch [06:39] wonder if Discovery will take it back [06:39] not sure who they got it from, actually [06:39] why???, for love of god [06:40] I'd forgotten how much crap you have to install to make a Windows machine usable... a real browser, Photoshop, AVG, anti-spyware, etc etc [06:40] OpenOffice.org came pre-installed [06:40] I had heard that some local computer stores are handing out OO.o now [06:40] and I customized the UI of Opera 8.5 into a non-threatening-to-Andrea mode, and imported her old IE favourite [06:41] oh geez [06:41] any, I have to catch a bus to go to C's [06:41] old IE favourites, I mean - bookmarks [06:41] talk to you later [06:41] later === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:57] quick question on moin [07:57] how can we embed comment in our moin page ? [07:57] bhuvan: with #, I think [07:57] let me check [07:57] ok, please let me check :) [07:58] yes. just look at the code of the top page in the wiki. The first few lines start with #s [07:59] it's two ##, I think [07:59] ## This is a moin comment [08:00] Madpilot: ## works, thankx [08:00] np === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:13] can someone update next docteam meeting details in udp launchpad calander ? [08:17] bhuvan, I suspect only Burgundavia or Jerome can update it since they are the 2 launchpad admin. [08:18] I usually update the calendar on the Fridge and the topic in #ubuntu-meeting with the date/time of the meetings [08:18] ok [08:18] i'll assign it to them [08:21] the Launchpad calendar is great, but it seems very underutilized by the ubuntu community. [08:21] I still have to find a group using it to post their meetings [08:21] robitaille: i use it. i even have my birthday logged in there. [08:23] yes. And I also want to start using it. But groups don't seem to add anything to them. And that it's strength when you can subcribe to calendar from various groups. [08:23] s/groups/teams [08:24] that's a very small team :) https://launchpad.net/people/debiandevelopers === manicka [n=grant@203-217-90-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:06] did anyone see the meeting agenda item posted by some guy? [09:06] he hasn't posted to the mailing list [09:07] bhuvan, ping? [09:07] mdke: where? the wiki? [09:07] yes [09:08] mdke: the Problem Analyzer thing? [09:09] that's it [09:09] it seems to me that he's suggested we write the documents we've already written [09:10] huh [09:11] oh great, someone has deleted ItalianRedirect [09:11] the page which 100 pages redirect to [09:11] I'll look for that XP app he mentioned later this week, when I'll be forced to use my stepmother's XP machine for a while ;) [09:13] aha [09:13] i've replied anyhow, encouraging him to post to the ML [09:13] saw that [09:14] gah... just realized that now that we're off Daylight Savings Time, 1400Z = 0600 Local - ick! [09:15] whoosh [09:16] being at UTC -8 bites sometimes... [09:17] mdke: yes [09:18] bhuvan, the quicktour is not obsolete, it's a marketing doc, i think you may have got things a bit confused there [09:19] i replied on the wiki page [09:19] ok [09:19] i meant, we're maintaining a html version. if we should, we can maintain a xml version ? [09:20] bhuvan: QuickTour was/is meant to be more portable [09:21] Madpilot, ok. but, imho, we if we maintain it in xml version, we can make it easily portable [09:21] mdke, do you want me to remove this item from docteammeetingagenda ? [09:21] you could make it a bit clearer I think [09:21] ok [09:22] i'll do that [09:22] bhuvan, one more request. Can you send emails to the list, rather than to me in the To: field and the list in Cc: ? [09:22] that can be easily achieved if you use evolution by using "Reply to list" (ctrl L) [09:22] generally, i do 'reply-all'. i'll correct it [09:22] if your mailer doesn't have that, don't worry! [09:23] np, it's trivial. i'll correct it. pardon me, if it has troubled you! [09:23] thanks for the patches by the way [09:23] you're doing some good work [09:24] hmm, thankx! [09:24] got to run [09:24] bhuvan: portable in the 'viewable w/o using Yelp' sense - putting it up on a website, that sort of thing [09:25] Madpilot, you are correct. but, if we maintain a xml version with xslt template, we can convert it to html/pdf and it'll be portable to website as you wish [09:25] imo, thats how we maintain most of our other documents === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-237-3.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mahangu [n=mahangu@222.165.174.64] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mahangu [n=mahangu@220.247.226.248] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:45] hello [03:46] hello [03:46] hey highvoltage how's things? [03:48] things are very good today. [03:49] monday's are usually bad, today is a big exception. [03:49] i think people are just getting in better and better moods as summer is approaching. [03:53] that's nice things have been busy on my side, i might go to seoul in 2 weeks for a linux desktop conference [03:55] oooh. sounds nice. [03:56] i never liked traveling. but lately i've started enjoying it. [03:58] grin winter is approaching here :) === highvoltage is looking forward to summer holidays === highvoltage will of course be in his room doing ubuntu stuff :) [03:59] for those interested Riddell is packaging KDE 3.5 RC for Kubuntu as we speak [03:59] ahhh [03:59] wow [03:59] we'll see it in dapper-updates? [03:59] should [03:59] i'll upgrade one box to dapper later then [03:59] i didn't know there was a dapper build out there, can i just change sources to dapper instead of breazy? [03:59] yeah [04:00] dapper just opened up a few weeks ago === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.44.79] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.44.79] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.44.79] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:21] good night === XtremXpert [n=admin@Toronto-HSE-ppp3750809.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@tvwna-ip-a-1.princeton.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@tvwna-ip-a-1.princeton.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.152.170.254] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:57] any krazy kubuntu people out there, kde 3.5 release kanidate 1 has been release for breezy http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php [06:59] I had a question [07:00] why dont we have some sort of animated presentation of ubuntu when people login for the first time [07:00] kinda like what windows has [07:11] that's a good question :) [07:21] hmm what could it be done in? [07:21] I mean svg would be a good idea right? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dartmoordog [n=dartmoor@jurassic.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:25] Trying to install Ubuntu on G3 powerbook ............ probs ........ anyone know about mac installs === dartmoordog [n=dartmoor@jurassic.demon.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [09:27] evening all [09:29] evening mdke [09:30] hi :) === SteveMyers [n=SteveMye@94.26.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:41] mdke [10:41] got a sec? [10:42] sure [10:42] awesome [10:42] check pm === manicka [n=grant@203-217-90-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-255-187.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke__ [n=matt@81-178-222-1.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc