[12:04] <kapputu> interesting, ok
[12:05] <mdke> otherwise, try the laptop-testing-team mailing list
[12:05] <mdke> http://lists.ubuntu.com
[12:06] <kapputu> please don't tell me he is a bot :-), just kidding
[12:07] <mdke> nah, but if you're in the same timezone, you'll be ok
[12:07] <kapputu> ok
[12:07] <mdke> kapputu, check out that mailing list, and the #ubuntu-laptop channel
[12:07] <mdke> mjg59 is the head laptop dude
[12:08] <mdke> jjesse, about kubuntu, releasenotes and kquickguide on help.u.c now
[12:08] <kapputu> mdke, do you work on documentation?
[12:08] <mdke> i guess so
[12:09] <kapputu> so what do you document?
[12:09] <mdke> i seem to do more work on infrastructure than actually writing anything though
[12:09] <mdke> kapputu, our documents for Breezy are on help.ubuntu.com. Our work in progress projects you can find at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects
[12:10] <mdke> for documentation, the wiki documentation is an excellent entry point - there is a lot of community contributed documentation that needs love
[12:11] <kapputu> community-contributed documentation?
[12:12] <mdke> yeah
[12:12] <mdke> anyone can edit the wiki, it's totally free access
[12:13] <mdke> so it get's a little untidy sometimes
[12:13] <mdke> the list of documents is at wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[12:13] <mdke> wiki.u.c/CategoryCleanup has a lot of pages that need work listed
[12:15] <mdke> hey Burgundavia i changed the fonts of help.u.c, do you think it is a good idea?
[12:26] <kapputu> is there any way to capture the knowledge dispersed in IRC
[12:27] <kapputu> people resolve a lot of problems here but does it make it to the docs?
[12:29] <mdke> i suppose people are inspired to write things down which arise frequently
[12:29] <mdke> recently we've been trying to think about ways of getting good feedback about what is missing from the docs
[12:29] <mdke> but it's difficult to get statistics from irc
[12:30] <mdke> only feedback from people who help often
[12:32] <kapputu> hmm yeah it's difficult 
[12:32] <kapputu> but if we can have people follow a standard then it'd make it easy to parse the text
[12:33] <kapputu> like all problems should start with 'Problem:' else it'd be ignored 
[12:37] <mdke> heh
[12:37] <mdke> can't see that working, most people don't even read the topic
[12:38] <mdke> kapputu, one team member wrote a spec yesterday for something feedback-related, it is v young, but feel free to comment: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamCompIdeas
[12:47] <mdke> we'd need to figure out a web form for that too actually :)
[01:05] <Burgundavia> mdke, hmm, looks good
[01:05] <mdke> good
[01:05] <mdke> i don't like big fonts
[01:06] <Burgundavia> mdke, https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/launchpad-knowledgebase
[01:06] <Burgundavia> that the jbaileys idea
[01:07] <Burgundavia> mdke, I like the reorg too
[01:07] <mdke> supercool
[01:07] <mdke> the reorg on help.u.c?
[01:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:08] <mdke> ah good
[01:08] <mdke> i wonder if we can put some edubuntu docs up there
[05:17] <Burgundavia> for a good laugh
[05:17] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89926
[05:23] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[05:24] <LaserJock> 3 & 7 are the only ones I would be interested in
[06:23] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:29] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot 
[06:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, about to head to C's, but are you interested in helping the vlug website?
[06:31] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: what does it need?
[06:32] <Burgundavia> a compete redesign?
[06:32] <Madpilot> just had a look, and yeah, it could use some love
[06:32] <Burgundavia> do you want to meet sometime this week and talk about it?
[06:32] <Madpilot> sure
[06:33] <Madpilot> here, or is there a VLUG meeting this coming week?
[06:33] <Burgundavia> I just emailed dad about going to dinner there sometime this week
[06:33] <Burgundavia> vlug was last week, missed it
[06:33] <Burgundavia> your place would be good
[06:33] <Madpilot> Tuesday night?
[06:33] <Burgundavia> sure
[06:33] <Madpilot> I'm busy Weds. & Thurs. night
[06:33] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:34] <Madpilot> cool - I'm at work until 6 Tues. night, but come by anytime after 6:30
[06:34] <Burgundavia> shall I ping the vlug discuss list to ask if anyone wants to come and join the redesign discussion?
[06:34] <Madpilot> sure
[06:34] <Madpilot> I should actually join VLUG and get on that list...
[06:35] <Madpilot> the redesign of Andrea's website went live this afternoon
[06:37] <Burgundavia> cool
[06:38] <Burgundavia> holy crap most of the info on the website in ancient
[06:38] <Madpilot> using a totally new install of XP was... interesting...
[06:38] <Burgundavia> s/in.is
[06:38] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, have they already bought the new machine
[06:38] <Burgundavia> ?
[06:38] <Madpilot> yes
[06:38] <Burgundavia> grr
[06:38] <Burgundavia> our parents baffle me
[06:38] <Madpilot> it's theoretically more powerful than either of ours - except for half the RAM - but it crawls w/ XP Home...
[06:39] <Burgundavia> ouch
[06:39] <Burgundavia> wonder if Discovery will take it back
[06:39] <Madpilot> not sure who they got it from, actually
[06:39] <Burgundavia> why???, for love of god
[06:40] <Madpilot> I'd forgotten how much crap you have to install to make a Windows machine usable... a real browser, Photoshop, AVG, anti-spyware, etc etc
[06:40] <Madpilot> OpenOffice.org came pre-installed
[06:40] <Burgundavia> I had heard that some local computer stores are handing out OO.o now
[06:40] <Madpilot> and I customized the UI of Opera 8.5 into a non-threatening-to-Andrea mode, and imported her old IE favourite
[06:41] <Burgundavia> oh geez
[06:41] <Burgundavia> any, I have to catch a bus to go to C's
[06:41] <Madpilot> old IE favourites, I mean - bookmarks
[06:41] <Burgundavia> talk to you later
[06:41] <Madpilot> later
[07:57] <bhuvan> quick question on moin
[07:57] <bhuvan> how can we embed comment in our moin page ?
[07:57] <Madpilot> bhuvan: with #, I think
[07:57] <Madpilot> let me check
[07:57] <bhuvan> ok, please let me check :)
[07:58] <robitaille> yes. just look at the code of the top page in the wiki.   The first few lines start with #s
[07:59] <Madpilot> it's two ##, I think
[07:59] <Madpilot> ## This is a moin comment
[08:00] <bhuvan> Madpilot: ## works, thankx
[08:00] <Madpilot> np
[08:13] <bhuvan> can someone update next docteam meeting details in udp launchpad calander ?
[08:17] <robitaille> bhuvan,  I suspect only Burgundavia  or Jerome can update it since they are the 2 launchpad admin. 
[08:18] <robitaille> I usually update the calendar on the Fridge and the topic in #ubuntu-meeting with the date/time of the meetings
[08:18] <bhuvan> ok
[08:18] <bhuvan> i'll assign it to them
[08:21] <robitaille> the Launchpad calendar is great, but it seems very underutilized by the ubuntu community.
[08:21] <robitaille> I still have to find a group using it to post their meetings
[08:21] <highvolt1ge> robitaille: i use it. i even have my birthday logged in there.
[08:23] <robitaille> yes.  And I also want to start using it.  But groups don't seem to add anything to them.  And that it's strength when you can subcribe to calendar from various groups.
[08:23] <robitaille> s/groups/teams
[08:24] <robitaille> that's a very small team :) https://launchpad.net/people/debiandevelopers
[09:06] <mdke> did anyone see the meeting agenda item posted by some guy?
[09:06] <mdke> he hasn't posted to the mailing list
[09:07] <mdke> bhuvan, ping?
[09:07] <Madpilot> mdke: where? the wiki?
[09:07] <mdke> yes
[09:08] <Madpilot> mdke: the Problem Analyzer thing?
[09:09] <mdke> that's it
[09:09] <mdke> it seems to me that he's suggested we write the documents we've already written
[09:10] <Madpilot> huh
[09:11] <mdke> oh great, someone has deleted ItalianRedirect
[09:11] <mdke> the page which 100 pages redirect to
[09:11] <Madpilot> I'll look for that XP app he mentioned later this week, when I'll be forced to use my stepmother's XP machine for a while ;)
[09:13] <mdke> aha
[09:13] <mdke> i've replied anyhow, encouraging him to post to the ML
[09:13] <Madpilot> saw that
[09:14] <Madpilot> gah... just realized that now that we're off Daylight Savings Time, 1400Z = 0600 Local - ick!
[09:15] <mdke> whoosh
[09:16] <Madpilot> being at UTC -8 bites sometimes...
[09:17] <bhuvan> mdke: yes
[09:18] <mdke> bhuvan, the quicktour is not obsolete, it's a marketing doc, i think you may have got things a bit confused there
[09:19] <mdke> i replied on the wiki page
[09:19] <bhuvan> ok
[09:19] <bhuvan> i meant, we're maintaining a html version. if we should, we can maintain a xml version ?
[09:20] <Madpilot> bhuvan: QuickTour was/is meant to be more portable
[09:21] <bhuvan> Madpilot, ok. but, imho, we if we maintain it in xml version, we can make it easily portable
[09:21] <bhuvan> mdke, do you want me to remove this item from docteammeetingagenda ?
[09:21] <mdke> you could make it a bit clearer I think
[09:21] <bhuvan> ok
[09:22] <bhuvan> i'll do that
[09:22] <mdke> bhuvan, one more request. Can you send emails to the list, rather than to me in the To: field and the list in Cc: ?
[09:22] <mdke> that can be easily achieved if you use evolution by using "Reply to list" (ctrl L)
[09:22] <bhuvan> generally, i do 'reply-all'. i'll correct it
[09:22] <mdke> if your mailer doesn't have that, don't worry!
[09:23] <bhuvan> np, it's trivial. i'll correct it. pardon me, if it has troubled you!
[09:23] <mdke> thanks for the patches by the way
[09:23] <mdke> you're doing some good work
[09:24] <bhuvan> hmm, thankx!
[09:24] <mdke> got to run
[09:24] <Madpilot> bhuvan: portable in the 'viewable w/o using Yelp' sense - putting it up on a website, that sort of thing
[09:25] <bhuvan> Madpilot, you are correct. but, if we maintain a xml version with xslt template, we can convert it to html/pdf and it'll be portable to website as you wish
[09:25] <bhuvan> imo, thats how we maintain most of our other documents
[03:45] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:46] <highvoltage> hello
[03:46] <jsgotangco> hey highvoltage how's things?
[03:48] <highvoltage> things are very good today.
[03:49] <highvoltage> monday's are usually bad, today is a big exception.
[03:49] <highvoltage> i think people are just getting in better and better moods as summer is approaching.
[03:53] <jsgotangco> that's nice things have been busy on my side, i might go to seoul in 2 weeks for a linux desktop conference
[03:55] <highvoltage> oooh. sounds nice.
[03:56] <highvoltage> i never liked traveling. but lately i've started enjoying it.
[03:58] <jjesse> grin winter is approaching here :)
[03:59] <jjesse> for those interested Riddell is packaging KDE 3.5 RC for Kubuntu as we speak
[03:59] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:59] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:59] <jsgotangco> we'll see it in dapper-updates?
[03:59] <jjesse> should
[03:59] <jsgotangco> i'll upgrade one box to dapper later then
[03:59] <jjesse> i didn't know there was a dapper build out there, can i just change sources to dapper instead of breazy?
[03:59] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:00] <jsgotangco> dapper just opened up a few weeks ago
[04:21] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:57] <jjesse> any krazy kubuntu people out there, kde 3.5 release kanidate 1 has been release for breezy http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php
[06:59] <poningru> I had a question
[07:00] <poningru> why dont we have some sort of animated presentation of ubuntu when people login for the first time
[07:00] <poningru> kinda like what windows has
[07:11] <jjesse> that's a good question :)
[07:21] <poningru> hmm what could it be done in?
[07:21] <poningru> I mean svg would be a good idea right?
[09:25] <dartmoordog> Trying to install Ubuntu on G3 powerbook ............ probs ........ anyone know about mac installs
[09:27] <mdke> evening all
[09:29] <jjesse> evening mdke
[09:30] <mdke> hi :)
[10:41] <SteveMyers> mdke
[10:41] <SteveMyers> got a sec?
[10:42] <mdke> sure
[10:42] <SteveMyers> awesome
[10:42] <SteveMyers> check pm