| khermans | ogra, after readin through your suggestions -- i am still confused | 12:06 |
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| khermans | what if all machines have different network cards? | 12:06 |
| ogra | you need different isos | 12:07 |
| khermans | ok | 12:07 |
| ogra | if you have spare disks in the clients, you could even follow the .zhd method and install a bootimage to disssk | 12:09 |
| khermans | ogra, if they already have Ubuntu Breezy installed, cant I just login using XDCMP ? | 12:09 |
| ogra | nope | 12:09 |
| khermans | if I have the Edubuntu server setup | 12:09 |
| khermans | im a little confused how this all works | 12:10 |
| ogra | ubuntu/edubuntu ltsp doesnt use xdmcp | 12:10 |
| ogra | a minimal environment (kernel, Xserver and loginmanager) is loaded via netbooting and nfs mounting... | 12:11 |
| khermans | into memory? | 12:11 |
| khermans | ok | 12:11 |
| ogra | if you log in with the loginmanager, it establishes a ssh tunnel to the server and starts a X session for you there | 12:11 |
| khermans | well then, couldnt i just install the ltsp client package on the existing Ubuntu machines or no? | 12:12 |
| ogra | no xdmcp involved, everything encrypted | 12:12 |
| ogra | nope | 12:12 |
| khermans | heh, weird | 12:12 |
| khermans | ogra, is there no auto-detect network card ISO image that I can boot from then? | 12:12 |
| ogra | the ltsp-client package is for the chroot environment on the server from which the clients boot | 12:12 |
| ogra | you need to know the network card, right | 12:13 |
| khermans | that will enable me to use the same CD on multiple machines to boot the client environment, and then login to the server? | 12:13 |
| ogra | if the machines all have the same network card, yes | 12:13 |
| khermans | weird, you would think that the CD could detect the card | 12:13 |
| ogra | its a minimal CD ... | 12:14 |
| khermans | i dont see what information needs to be known ahead of time, knoppix finds your module on the fly | 12:14 |
| khermans | i see | 12:14 |
| ogra | this image is built to fit in a bootrom, so it only carrys the minimal stuff | 12:14 |
| khermans | ogra, it just becomes difficult when you have a whole bunch of random puters trhown together for a lan | 12:14 |
| ogra | i know ... | 12:15 |
| ogra | but there is nothing else you could do... | 12:15 |
| khermans | would be nice to have a more maximal "atuo-detecting" boot CD-Rom | 12:15 |
| ogra | did you use a ltsp solution before ? | 12:16 |
| ogra | actually i think installing ltsp-client on the clients could work ... but you need to disable some stuff | 12:19 |
| ogra | and make sure there is no other display manager installed ... | 12:20 |
| ogra | if you want to try this, make sure to remove gdm and remove the link /etc/rcS.d/S32ltsp-client-setup after installing the package ... but note, nobody has ever tested this | 12:22 |
| ogra | you'll probably have to create a lts.conf file to set the SERVER variable | 12:23 |
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| magnon | ogra: the student control panel logo is ugly! :P | 03:29 |
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| MMond | edubuntu comes default with gnome, eh | 03:31 |
| MMond | There's no . . . kedubuntu? =( | 03:31 |
| magnon | MMond: It does, yes, but a replacement is fairly simple | 03:31 |
| magnon | well, it's just a matter of installing kubuntu-desktop on top, and you're good | 03:31 |
| MMond | Do forgive my ignorance -- I want GNOME, and all that is offered in the KDE Edutainment Project [ http://edu.kde.org/ ] -- do I make sense? | 03:32 |
| Yagisan | ah | 03:33 |
| Yagisan | yeah, you could do that | 03:33 |
| magnon | I think most of the kdeedu stuff is already installed by edubuntu | 03:33 |
| MMond | I will be trying Linux the first time . . . will I have to play around a bit? | 03:33 |
| neurogeek | Yagisan, how are you doing? | 03:33 |
| MMond | As to tweak things, that require strict knowledge towards certain things | 03:33 |
| Yagisan | neurogeek: not bad, quite sore - I've decided to "fire" my uni and pick another one, and the baby still isn't out | 03:34 |
| magnon | MMond: as long as your hardware is compatible, I don't think you will find installing edubuntu workstation difficult at all. | 03:34 |
| magnon | or ubuntu proper, for that matter | 03:35 |
| neurogeek | Yagisan, too bad.. | 03:35 |
| Yagisan | neurogeek: which one ? :) | 03:35 |
| neurogeek | Yagisan, both.. :) | 03:36 |
| Yagisan | MMond: after installing edubuntu, use synaptic to install kdeedu | 03:36 |
| MMond | Oh, cool . . . just bought a junk PC to play around with this (it's not that junky though, should work with everything without many problems) - anyhow, one last question - if I was to choose Fluxbox as the window manager and I still wanted all that is offered from the KDE Edutainment Project, would ths be "doable?" | 03:36 |
| Yagisan | MMond: yes, it's quite doable | 03:37 |
| Yagisan | MMond: eg, my desktop is gnome, but I like k3b (kde's cdburning application), so that's what I use | 03:37 |
| MMond | Oh, I never knew it was that easy.. or doable, for that matter | 03:37 |
| neurogeek | MMond, you just need some libs from gnome and KDE | 03:38 |
| neurogeek | i use enlightenment and I can use whatever i want from both | 03:38 |
| Yagisan | MMond: which automatically install when you install any application that needs them (you may need an internet connection) | 03:38 |
| MMond | When doing it from Synaptic only though, right? | 03:39 |
| Yagisan | neurogeek: enlightenment was nice, but I couldn't get it to work with Japanese when I tried | 03:39 |
| Yagisan | MMond: Synaptic or aptitude, yes | 03:39 |
| Yagisan | neurogeek: my uni is getting "fired" for several reasons. I'm a DE student | 03:41 |
| MMond | Ah, alright. Well, I got pleasant answers here . . . and thank you indeed for them. I am off for some work, thanks again - and good night | 03:41 |
| Yagisan | neurogeek: hence the uni forums are supposed to be my classroom | 03:41 |
| Yagisan | neurogeek: I got punished for trying to use them as a classroom :( ie trying to discuss the subject | 03:42 |
| Yagisan | neurogeek: And the uni never answered my phone calls or emails or faxes - so time to find a new one. | 03:43 |
| Yagisan | brb | 03:44 |
| neurogeek | Yagisan, Well thats right.. you can't just wait or do whatever they like you to do.. good point and good luck | 03:44 |
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| mhz | hi all | 03:49 |
| neurogeek | mhz, hey!! how are you doing?? | 03:51 |
| mhz | neurogeek: nice to see ya | 03:51 |
| mhz | neurogeek: i'm fine | 03:51 |
| neurogeek | mhz, same here | 03:51 |
| neurogeek | mhz, glad to hear that | 03:51 |
| mhz | i just had a very long meeting that ended 3 ours ago and lasted about 4 | 03:51 |
| neurogeek | say what?? thats exhausting.. i hope it brings good things at least | 03:52 |
| mhz | neurogeek: in the meeting, one of the core points was the Maracaibo event | 03:52 |
| mhz | Do you think we (Tecnocimiento) should make this effort to get there (I mean, spending money that could be spent on cd's or marketing edubuntu in Chile, etc.)? | 03:53 |
| mhz | neurogeek: ping | 03:53 |
| mhz | neurogeek: ping | 03:58 |
| mhz | neurogeek: ping | 03:58 |
| mhz | neurogeek: ping | 04:00 |
| neurogeek | mhz, sorry.. i was reading emails. jeje | 04:01 |
| mhz | jejeje, np | 04:02 |
| neurogeek | mhz, depending on what you are promoting.. | 04:02 |
| mhz | it's just that this week is gonna be very hard. I am trying to motivate a very important Chilean medium company to help Tecnocimiento and work together | 04:03 |
| neurogeek | it could be interesnting though.. mainly because big enterprises are going to be there.. | 04:03 |
| neurogeek | probably this enterprises could start something here.. they are very interested in education.. so called <<misiones>> here | 04:04 |
| mhz | They have biz relantionships with many (about 1000) schools here. Tecnocimiento is working (mostly volunteer work) hard to make a biz model model out of social insertion with ITC. | 04:05 |
| mhz | Will be able to talk (at least 30 mins each?) | 04:05 |
| mhz | ? | 04:05 |
| neurogeek | could be possible.. could you send me an email with the topic?? i'll pass it to some people here to see if they can fit you in | 04:06 |
| mhz | I mean, if I get funds to get there, can I tell my 'mecenas': Sure, we'll have some time to show and do Public Relations, and maybe even get interesting ideas and feedback. | 04:06 |
| mhz | neurogeek: I can do that | 04:07 |
| neurogeek | mhz, yes.. send me that email.. and i'll forward it asap to see what they can do | 04:08 |
| mhz | neurogeek: any 'technical data sheet' about the event I can read and sum up for my mecenas? | 04:08 |
| mhz | I know they'll be interested on # of atendees, speakers, objectives, etc | 04:09 |
| neurogeek | mhz, yeap.. here: http://tecnologialibre.org/ | 04:09 |
| neurogeek | numbers of attendees im not sure.. but the rest is there | 04:09 |
| mhz | ohhh | 04:09 |
| mhz | okidoki | 04:09 |
| mhz | BTW, how's the project going? | 04:10 |
| neurogeek | if you check the program.. you'll still see spots to be covered.. | 04:10 |
| neurogeek | Well.. its going great.. just about an hour ago i found out our speech at PyCon2006 was accepted.. so we are going to be at it next year | 04:11 |
| mhz | cOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL | 04:11 |
| mhz | it feels great LA is impacting positively on IT areas. Usually, we've been more passive | 04:12 |
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| skvidal | neurogeek: ping | 04:13 |
| neurogeek | yes.. is because of the OpenSource model.. it helps nacions to be more self-aware of new and better technologies | 04:13 |
| mhz | neurogeek: skvidal is moin user | 04:13 |
| mhz | neurogeek: exactly | 04:14 |
| neurogeek | skvidal, hello | 04:14 |
| skvidal | neurogeek: mhz from #moin suggested you might know something about docbook rendering problems in moin? | 04:14 |
| skvidal | neurogeek: I'm getting an error I'm not familiar with | 04:14 |
| skvidal | AttributeErrorXsltRoot instance has no attribute 'outputParams' | 04:14 |
| skvidal | when trying to enable the docbook format renderer in moin | 04:14 |
| skvidal | I'm not terribly familiar with docbook or 4Suite so I'm having a bit of trouble debugging this | 04:15 |
| neurogeek | skvidal, Can you do a dir() on that class?? | 04:15 |
| skvidal | likely | 04:15 |
| neurogeek | neither do I with docbook.. i've used 4Suite for xslt-xml transformations | 04:16 |
| skvidal | hmm - I think I know where I should start looking | 04:17 |
| skvidal | thanks | 04:17 |
| skvidal | I'll move along from here | 04:17 |
| skvidal | mhz: thanks for the reference! | 04:17 |
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| Yagisan | re | 04:18 |
| mhz | Yagisan: how's family and wife holding? | 04:18 |
| Yagisan | mhz: bub still not out | 04:18 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:19 |
| Yagisan | mhz: yourself ? | 04:19 |
| mhz | tired but fine | 04:19 |
| neurogeek | Well, im gone.. see you guys | 04:20 |
| Yagisan | mhz: sorry no email yet. I've been off the pc for a few days | 04:20 |
| mhz | neurogeek: I am reading | 04:20 |
| Yagisan | neurogeek: bye | 04:20 |
| mhz | once i finish, I'll send you email | 04:20 |
| neurogeek | mhz, send me the email as soon as you can | 04:20 |
| neurogeek | Ok | 04:20 |
| mhz | do i have yours? | 04:20 |
| neurogeek | Yagisan, nice seeing you again | 04:20 |
| neurogeek | umm | 04:20 |
| neurogeek | sorry | 04:20 |
| neurogeek | jeje | 04:20 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:20 |
| mhz | si po! | 04:20 |
| neurogeek | mhz, jrivero@latinux.org | 04:20 |
| mhz | okidoki | 04:20 |
| neurogeek | perfect-.. i'll be expecting it | 04:21 |
| mhz | educool | 04:21 |
| mhz | bye | 04:21 |
| mhz | Yagisan: I had a very important meeting today | 04:21 |
| Yagisan | mhz: ? | 04:22 |
| mhz | about education and ICT | 04:22 |
| mhz | tomorrow, meeting continues | 04:22 |
| Yagisan | mhz: sounds interesting - any leads ? | 04:22 |
| mhz | and if all goes well, on Wednesday, we'll know if TC gets some funds to do what we want/need in Chile | 04:22 |
| Yagisan | mhz: good luck for Wednesday | 04:23 |
| mhz | I don't wanna have expectations but I can't help it :) | 04:23 |
| mhz | thx | 04:23 |
| mhz | do you know what the sex of the baby is? | 04:24 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I think it may be a boy, but no we don't know. baby wouldn't hold still for the ultrasound | 04:24 |
| mhz | hehehehehhe | 04:24 |
| mhz | my daughter either | 04:25 |
| mhz | my daughter didn't either | 04:25 |
| Yagisan | mhz: typical children. Never hold still when you want them too | 04:26 |
| mhz | hehehe, well, Women never do what we want | 04:26 |
| mhz | maybe thats a hint | 04:26 |
| Yagisan | mhz: no they don't. It's like "What do you know, you're a man! Do it yourself" | 04:28 |
| Yagisan | mhz: then you go to do it yourself "What do you think you are doing ? You idiot ! Give it to me, I'll do it. Useless" | 04:29 |
| mhz | weeee! student control panel (a.k.a ubuntu TeacherTool) source available | 04:29 |
| mhz | LOL!!!!! | 04:30 |
| mhz | it same old story everywhere around the world???????? | 04:30 |
| Yagisan | I believe so. | 04:31 |
| Yagisan | crap - my monthly I&E reports are late | 04:32 |
| mhz | we have no future | 04:32 |
| mhz | I&E? | 04:32 |
| Yagisan | Income and Expenditure | 04:32 |
| mhz | ohhhhh | 04:32 |
| mhz | they tell you how your money/savings go down? | 04:33 |
| Yagisan | yes, exactly - for 4 straight months now | 04:33 |
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| mhz | Yagisan: I am truly sorry. | 04:38 |
| mhz | Yagisan: are you part of the ubuntu server team? | 04:38 |
| mhz | I'm sure your help/experience may be very interesting | 04:39 |
| Yagisan | mhz: No I'm not | 04:39 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I didn't know there was a server team | 04:39 |
| mhz | I guess there is | 04:40 |
| mhz | or at least, work for ubuntu servers is being done | 04:40 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I'll look into it when I have time. | 04:43 |
| mhz | ok | 04:43 |
| Yagisan | hmm - I lost less money this month compared to last month, but I made no sales ?!? | 04:44 |
| mhz | hmm, how did it go with your banks and other important referrals? | 04:45 |
| Yagisan | mhz: that meeting is in 15 days | 04:45 |
| Yagisan | ah, I know why I lost less money | 04:46 |
| mhz | oh | 04:46 |
| Yagisan | transport cost is down, as I spent more time taking wife to and from hospital, rather then seeing customers | 04:46 |
| mhz | oh, that explains it | 04:47 |
| Yagisan | now, how to put a positive spin on that, I did offload a ton of business cards there - that could be classed as advertising :) | 04:48 |
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| Yagisan | December should be better - baby will be out by then | 04:49 |
| mhz | Yagisan: in Chile, we say that all babies bring some good luck with them | 04:50 |
| Yagisan | mhz: cool, I hope so. Last months loss was $152.83 - that's rather good considering what some months looked like | 04:51 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:52 |
| mhz | I like your positivism | 04:52 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I need to be optimistic, otherwise the stress would kill me | 04:53 |
| mhz | how's your arm/hand? | 04:55 |
| Yagisan | mhz: very sore - I tried resting it over the last few days | 04:56 |
| mhz | 'tried'? | 04:57 |
| mhz | couldn't? | 04:57 |
| Yagisan | mhz: kids never let you rest | 04:57 |
| mhz | heheheh | 04:58 |
| mhz | neither do wives | 04:58 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I'm so happy I only have 1 then :) | 04:59 |
| mhz | hehehehe | 04:59 |
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| mhz | so, I can say she's my wife | 05:00 |
| mhz | and former wife wants money all the time | 05:00 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I'm sure you suggested she could get a job right ? | 05:01 |
| mhz | hehehehehehe | 05:02 |
| mhz | yup, and she does have one but still wants money from me | 05:02 |
| mhz | why is that when marriage ends, women take the kids and sue for money | 05:02 |
| Yagisan | mhz: me personal opinion, I see nothing wrong with paying for kids, but to pay for someone that can work - I have a problem with that | 05:03 |
| mhz | mee too | 05:03 |
| mhz | but being sued just to give money is stupid | 05:04 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I hope you can see your kids (perhaps suing her for emotional distress ?) | 05:04 |
| mhz | a father/mother will always want the best for their kids | 05:04 |
| mhz | hehehe | 05:04 |
| mhz | i now can, but the first 2 years were unberable | 05:05 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I agree, but often they disagree on how to do what is best | 05:05 |
| mhz | yup | 05:05 |
| mhz | anyways, we were talkng about your money, not wives | 05:06 |
| mhz | :D | 05:06 |
| Yagisan | mhz: yep, I'm faxing my I&E into the government, in an effort to avoid seeing them and having to "discuss" why I missed my target | 05:07 |
| Yagisan | for the first quater | 05:07 |
| mhz | you got to specify 'targets'? | 05:09 |
| Yagisan | mhz: yes, I feel I was overly optimistic with mine - I need to revise them down a bit | 05:09 |
| Yagisan | back soon - off to have lunch | 05:12 |
| mhz | ok | 05:13 |
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| highvoltage | coolio_za: you are quiet :) | 07:46 |
| JaneW | hello highvoltage and coolio_za | 07:47 |
| === JaneW waves across the garden... | ||
| === JaneW was wondering if we should get some edubuntu merchandising through cafe press... it seems a little pricey though... http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop | ||
| coolio_za | hiya Jane | 07:53 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: ~)))) | 07:53 |
| highvoltage | (tidal wave) | 07:53 |
| highvoltage | cafepress is expensive, not because they're expensive, but because they have a built-in markup. | 07:57 |
| highvoltage | i was thinking of ordering through them too, but if you're going large-scale, it will be cheaper to use another company. | 07:58 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: yes thought so, but what about distribution? | 08:01 |
| JaneW | coolio_za: congrats for the award!!! | 08:01 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: you too obviously | 08:02 |
| JaneW | and everyone else involved | 08:02 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: are you guys actually using edubuntu yet? | 08:02 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: LOL at tidal wave (now that I figured it out) ;) | 08:02 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: thanks | 08:03 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: no, we'll be starting using edubuntu about a month after the dapper release. | 08:03 |
| coolio_za | JaneW: thanx this was a great team effort and it feels fantastic being recognised externally on national TV | 08:06 |
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| grace_ | hey there | 09:13 |
| grace_ | i know moodle is available in synaptic but has anyone used or actually know that its there | 09:14 |
| grace_ | anyone here ever use moodle | 09:14 |
| grace_ | for a course of some kind | 09:14 |
| JaneW | coolio_za: indeed, it's great acknowledgement and recognition for you all - well done and keep it up. | 09:19 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: only after Dapper, pour quoi (why)? | 09:19 |
| highvoltage | grace_: yep, http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/moodle | 09:19 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: current edubuntu isn't quite ready for us yet, we're not ready for it either. | 09:20 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: fair enough | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: sound and even simple local device access (such as floppy access) is important for us | 09:20 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: did you see we have sound sorted on LTSP now :)) | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | edubuntu has no support for that atm. | 09:20 |
| JaneW | right | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | that's in dapper, though :) | 09:21 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: yes local storage is the other thing we are sorting | 09:21 |
| JaneW | nod | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | dapper will be real nice for the tuxlabs. | 09:21 |
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| highvoltage | it will make our lices much easier on this side. | 09:22 |
| highvoltage | nice! | 09:22 |
| JaneW | you have lice? | 09:22 |
| highvoltage | haha | 09:22 |
| JaneW | ;) | 09:22 |
| highvoltage | lives :) | 09:22 |
| === JaneW will stay away from that side of 12 Plein street | ||
| highvoltage | hehe. well, your side has a funny smell, especially upstairs. | 09:23 |
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| mhz | hi all | 04:21 |
| zakame | hey mhz | 04:21 |
| mhz | hi zakame | 04:21 |
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| highvoltage | hi there | 04:22 |
| mhz | yahoo highvoltage | 04:22 |
| highvoltage | google mhz | 04:22 |
| mhz | altavista Mr. Carter | 04:23 |
| highvoltage | excite Mr. Hernandez | 04:24 |
| zakame | beagle all | 04:25 |
| highvoltage | indeed. | 04:25 |
| mhz | for me Google is the only one ruling | 04:25 |
| mhz | :) | 04:25 |
| mhz | highvoltage: any easy and quick way to know the exact number of education oriented packages on current release? | 04:43 |
| mhz | I found a wiki url but I guess is very outdated | 04:44 |
| highvoltage | mhz: not that i can think of | 04:44 |
| ogra | mhz, you mean the stuff edubuntu contains ? or all apps that ar available in ubuntu ? | 04:45 |
| mhz | ogra: hmm, the edubuntu only stuff, and hopefully, only the educational stuff that is currently on breezy and the ones that will be for dapper | 04:48 |
| mhz | ogra: I am preparing "training" for IT guys who may install and admin edubuntu on schools and a diff training for teachers who will use edubuntu | 04:49 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSwList | 04:50 |
| ogra | thats the desktop software | 04:51 |
| mhz | ogra: is it updated | 04:51 |
| ogra | i just created it | 04:51 |
| ogra | it wont change much for next release | 04:52 |
| mhz | hehehe, ok | 04:53 |
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| mhz | ogra: last week I mentioned to JaneW that some teachers (esp. pitux) and I were planing to have some sort of respository for Edubuntu users. This rep. is aimed to provide excercises and educational contents for teachers/students to use with their edubuntu applications | 05:04 |
| ogra | fine | 05:05 |
| mhz | ogra: the idea, in the simplest way, is to 'package' this so you endup apt-get install math_primary_excercises.deb | 05:05 |
| ogra | math-primary-excercises-ch ? | 05:06 |
| ogra | err cl | 05:06 |
| mhz | yup, but in case of Sciences, I'd say they are language independant | 05:06 |
| mhz | (most of them) | 05:06 |
| mhz | but, yes | 05:07 |
| ogra | i think if there is some explanationary text you are lost :) | 05:07 |
| mhz | the idea is in a mid-future we have those in diff language | 05:07 |
| mhz | hehee, indeed | 05:07 |
| mhz | for instance, Keduca lets you use tests via http | 05:07 |
| mhz | I mean, they are located remotely | 05:08 |
| mhz | with this repo. Teachers would gain some sort of 'contribution points' | 05:08 |
| mhz | and we could provide some incentives | 05:08 |
| Katsumoto | this might be a weird question to you but, is Edubuntu also suitable for home use...to learn how to work with it? or would you recommend the regular Ubuntu distribution? | 05:09 |
| mhz | Katsumoto: I use it instead ubuntu in my house | 05:09 |
| mhz | Katsumoto: my kids love it | 05:09 |
| ogra | Katsumoto, it has a workstation install mode for home usage :) | 05:09 |
| ogra | Katsumoto, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | 05:09 |
| Katsumoto | ohk thank you :) | 05:09 |
| mhz | Katsumoto: although I installed server-mode (edubuntu potential) I rarely use it | 05:10 |
| mhz | but it's good when other people want to give linux a try | 05:10 |
| mhz | ogra: so JaneW asked to talk to you | 05:10 |
| Katsumoto | indeed...I want my parents+little brother to learn how to use it | 05:10 |
| mhz | ogra: maybe because she feels you are the one to tell how possible this is to be implemented in edubuntu | 05:11 |
| Katsumoto | think I'll perform this network for a while in case I have any more q's :) | 05:11 |
| ogra | mhz, i'm not sure we can provide a ton of content, but as long as it stays at a reasonable size thats fine | 05:11 |
| mhz | Katsumoto: if your 'server' is over 1GHz and 512 MB, they could even try it with their stations connected to yours | 05:12 |
| mhz | Katsumoto: my 'server' is a thin laptop we connect my wife's laptop with. | 05:12 |
| Katsumoto | ohk cool :) might be an option indeed | 05:12 |
| Katsumoto | though, the machine I'm on now uses x640-bit windows version | 05:12 |
| ogra | mhz, actually my initial idea was to have a library server providing teaching content, but mark wants to see a bigger community before even thinking about that | 05:13 |
| mhz | ogra: we do not need to provide it in the CD releases, just have it available for apt-getting after install | 05:13 |
| ogra | ...i guess | 05:13 |
| Katsumoto | will it work together? as in network settings and such | 05:13 |
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| mhz | Katsumoto: rephrase that, please | 05:13 |
| Katsumoto | hmk, the machine I'm on now has win xp prof x64-bit running... | 05:14 |
| Katsumoto | so if I install edubuntu on the other pc that's connected to this one | 05:14 |
| Katsumoto | will it work together | 05:14 |
| mhz | ogra: so, can we count on with some edubuntu resources? how could we start this? | 05:14 |
| ogra | just package it :) | 05:14 |
| mhz | Katsumoto: samba should do the trivk | 05:14 |
| mhz | trick | 05:14 |
| Katsumoto | ah yes oke :) | 05:14 |
| ogra | provide me access to the source package and i'll inspect it ... | 05:14 |
| ogra | ... if its fine, i'll upload it | 05:15 |
| mhz | ogra: ok, but lower level questions are: how do we do it? I mean, we create bunch of exercises (example) in each application specific format. Then what? | 05:16 |
| Katsumoto | I might even switch to Linux fully, since I find this windows x64-bit release a bit crappy. | 05:16 |
| Katsumoto | lack of drivers and such | 05:16 |
| mhz | Katsumoto: windows will always be crappy | 05:16 |
| Katsumoto | true that :P | 05:16 |
| mhz | it's their development process that sucks | 05:16 |
| mhz | just find out how many times they have said "Now, this is all fixed" | 05:17 |
| mhz | and problems still there | 05:17 |
| Katsumoto | and yet bring out another critical fix, yes | 05:17 |
| Katsumoto | heh | 05:17 |
| mhz | that's my point | 05:17 |
| ogra | mhz, fo kvoctrain addons, i'd just call the package kvoctrain-exercises-cl :) | 05:17 |
| ogra | just make a data package for each app... | 05:18 |
| mhz | PLUS, if I use a Personal Computer (hence PC), I want it to use it for whatever I want to, I do not want to have prohibitions of any kind. | 05:18 |
| mhz | Palladium will kill my liberty | 05:18 |
| ogra | we could put a edubuntu-content package on top... | 05:18 |
| Katsumoto | lol, I wonder howmuch prohibitions there will be in windows vista | 05:18 |
| mhz | ogra: aaaah | 05:18 |
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| mhz | ok, so all we need to start with is designing excercises and you'll take care of them? | 05:19 |
| mhz | .oO(it's ok but It seems TOO unfair you do all the job) | 05:19 |
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| mhz | Katsumoto: hehehe | 05:20 |
| Katsumoto | :p | 05:20 |
| ogra | mhz, i can teach you the packaging stuff its very easy ... | 05:20 |
| mhz | ogra: cool and more fair | 05:21 |
| Katsumoto | ok, thanks for the info..I'm off to school :) | 05:21 |
| mhz | bye Katsumoto | 05:21 |
| mhz | ogra: so, let me start with some exercises and get back to you when done so we can give it a test-try | 05:22 |
| mhz | dry-test? | 05:22 |
| ogra | heh | 05:23 |
| ogra | as you like :) | 05:23 |
| mhz | duh! | 05:23 |
| mhz | heheh | 05:23 |
| mhz | BTW, my friends stickers sucked | 05:23 |
| ogra | :( | 05:24 |
| mhz | i need to give higher resolution and use a diff ink | 05:24 |
| mhz | or laser printer? | 05:24 |
| mhz | :D | 05:24 |
| mhz | BTW, some teacher have asked me for simulators | 05:25 |
| ogra | simulators ? | 05:26 |
| mhz | yup | 05:27 |
| mhz | like children who need to know i.e. how fast could be "cell reproduction" | 05:28 |
| mhz | given certain parameters | 05:28 |
| mhz | how much area would an atomic bomb cover | 05:29 |
| mhz | stuff like that | 05:29 |
| mhz | stuff you do not want to have a lab for | 05:29 |
| mhz | :) | 05:29 |
| ogra | ah | 05:29 |
| mhz | or based on many schools needs, they can't afford a LAb | 05:29 |
| mhz | so, a computer lab could do the trick | 05:30 |
| mhz | ogra: also, some teachers hav asked me why so many KDE apps if default desktop is GNOME? | 05:31 |
| mhz | why not KDE instead | 05:31 |
| ogra | because its way harder for me to maintain then ... | 05:32 |
| ogra | feel free to develop a KDE based version | 05:32 |
| ogra | we dont have the amount of KDE developers in ubuntu to help along with stuff... | 05:33 |
| ogra | in fact we only have one ... and he's busy with building kubuntu... | 05:33 |
| mhz | heheheh | 05:34 |
| mhz | who? | 05:34 |
| ogra | additionally i wouldnt want to work on a kde desktop... i'm hoping for someone to join if there is real demand... | 05:34 |
| ogra | Riddell | 05:34 |
| mhz | ok | 05:34 |
| mhz | I may talk with KDE chilean developers | 05:34 |
| mhz | (i guess they're 3 or 4) | 05:34 |
| ogra | they are free to derive from edubuntu and make a kedubuntu :) | 05:35 |
| mhz | anyways, if it were my decision, I would use a very light desktop, considering LA hardware standard in schools | 05:35 |
| mhz | or even, Desktop-Independant | 05:35 |
| ogra | but the tweakage and changes are very gnome centric... and will get even more gnome centric in the next releases | 05:35 |
| mhz | oh | 05:36 |
| ogra | local device support will work through hal/dbus/gnome-volume-manager/ltspfs (so i can guarantte it works like in ubuntu) | 05:37 |
| ogra | sound support in dapper will be esound based and move to gstreamer transports in dapper+1 | 05:38 |
| mhz | hmm, so maybe a healthier way of installing would be to install but ommit GNOME desktop installation? | 05:40 |
| ogra | the right way would be to make KDE talking to these apps ;) | 05:41 |
| ogra | thats actually what Riddell does (or tries to do ) for kubuntu | 05:41 |
| ogra | so you only need to maintain one set of apps below the desktop | 05:41 |
| mhz | how about other lighter desktops? will they talk (have they ever?) to those apps? | 05:42 |
| ogra | not sure what the xubuntu team plans in this direction | 05:42 |
| ogra | but xfce is able to talk to esound | 05:42 |
| ogra | and if you use gnome-volume-manager and nautilus for xfce, you will have all the automounting magic for local devices | 05:43 |
| mhz | hehehe, I meant real lighter | 05:43 |
| mhz | WMaker or FvWM or fluxbox | 05:43 |
| ogra | openbox | 05:43 |
| mhz | too | 05:43 |
| ogra | you would provide something like that to kids ? | 05:44 |
| mhz | ahahha, see what henrik has done: http://www.theopencd.org/files/moinmoin/1.3.4-2-MMDE/MMDE-install2.png | 05:44 |
| mhz | hmm, yes. I can commit to tweak those desktops in order to have them look esp. for kids | 05:44 |
| mhz | I can't fight the fact LA schools are very poor | 05:46 |
| mhz | .oO(well, in LA there are only opposites. So other school have LOTS of money) | 05:46 |
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| janimo | does edubuntu not use gdm? | 08:27 |
| janimo | I saw a ldm which seemed to be a ltsp dm | 08:28 |
| mhz | janimo: GDM is used on localhost (server) | 08:44 |
| mhz | LDM is LTSP Display Manager | 08:44 |
| mhz | therefore, clients use it | 08:44 |
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| ganhongsen | hi how to make ln -s /dev/ttyACM0 /dev/modem permanent so I don't have to type it everytime I login? | 09:32 |
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