[12:06] ogra, after readin through your suggestions -- i am still confused [12:06] what if all machines have different network cards? [12:07] you need different isos [12:07] ok [12:09] if you have spare disks in the clients, you could even follow the .zhd method and install a bootimage to disssk [12:09] ogra, if they already have Ubuntu Breezy installed, cant I just login using XDCMP ? [12:09] nope [12:09] if I have the Edubuntu server setup [12:10] im a little confused how this all works [12:10] ubuntu/edubuntu ltsp doesnt use xdmcp [12:11] a minimal environment (kernel, Xserver and loginmanager) is loaded via netbooting and nfs mounting... [12:11] into memory? [12:11] ok [12:11] if you log in with the loginmanager, it establishes a ssh tunnel to the server and starts a X session for you there [12:12] well then, couldnt i just install the ltsp client package on the existing Ubuntu machines or no? [12:12] no xdmcp involved, everything encrypted [12:12] nope [12:12] heh, weird [12:12] ogra, is there no auto-detect network card ISO image that I can boot from then? [12:12] the ltsp-client package is for the chroot environment on the server from which the clients boot [12:13] you need to know the network card, right [12:13] that will enable me to use the same CD on multiple machines to boot the client environment, and then login to the server? [12:13] if the machines all have the same network card, yes [12:13] weird, you would think that the CD could detect the card [12:14] its a minimal CD ... [12:14] i dont see what information needs to be known ahead of time, knoppix finds your module on the fly [12:14] i see [12:14] this image is built to fit in a bootrom, so it only carrys the minimal stuff [12:14] ogra, it just becomes difficult when you have a whole bunch of random puters trhown together for a lan [12:15] i know ... [12:15] but there is nothing else you could do... [12:15] would be nice to have a more maximal "atuo-detecting" boot CD-Rom [12:16] did you use a ltsp solution before ? [12:19] actually i think installing ltsp-client on the clients could work ... but you need to disable some stuff [12:20] and make sure there is no other display manager installed ... [12:22] if you want to try this, make sure to remove gdm and remove the link /etc/rcS.d/S32ltsp-client-setup after installing the package ... but note, nobody has ever tested this [12:23] you'll probably have to create a lts.conf file to set the SERVER variable === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.19.156] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.170.95] has joined #edubuntu === silvester [i=kappa@tauware.de] has joined #edubuntu === MMond [n=Mond@adsl-69-210-77-190.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:29] ogra: the student control panel logo is ugly! :P === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-77-39-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] edubuntu comes default with gnome, eh [03:31] There's no . . . kedubuntu? =( [03:31] MMond: It does, yes, but a replacement is fairly simple [03:31] well, it's just a matter of installing kubuntu-desktop on top, and you're good [03:32] Do forgive my ignorance -- I want GNOME, and all that is offered in the KDE Edutainment Project [ http://edu.kde.org/ ] -- do I make sense? [03:33] ah [03:33] yeah, you could do that [03:33] I think most of the kdeedu stuff is already installed by edubuntu [03:33] I will be trying Linux the first time . . . will I have to play around a bit? [03:33] Yagisan, how are you doing? [03:33] As to tweak things, that require strict knowledge towards certain things [03:34] neurogeek: not bad, quite sore - I've decided to "fire" my uni and pick another one, and the baby still isn't out [03:34] MMond: as long as your hardware is compatible, I don't think you will find installing edubuntu workstation difficult at all. [03:35] or ubuntu proper, for that matter [03:35] Yagisan, too bad.. [03:35] neurogeek: which one ? :) [03:36] Yagisan, both.. :) [03:36] MMond: after installing edubuntu, use synaptic to install kdeedu [03:36] Oh, cool . . . just bought a junk PC to play around with this (it's not that junky though, should work with everything without many problems) - anyhow, one last question - if I was to choose Fluxbox as the window manager and I still wanted all that is offered from the KDE Edutainment Project, would ths be "doable?" [03:37] MMond: yes, it's quite doable [03:37] MMond: eg, my desktop is gnome, but I like k3b (kde's cdburning application), so that's what I use [03:37] Oh, I never knew it was that easy.. or doable, for that matter [03:38] MMond, you just need some libs from gnome and KDE [03:38] i use enlightenment and I can use whatever i want from both [03:38] MMond: which automatically install when you install any application that needs them (you may need an internet connection) [03:39] When doing it from Synaptic only though, right? [03:39] neurogeek: enlightenment was nice, but I couldn't get it to work with Japanese when I tried [03:39] MMond: Synaptic or aptitude, yes [03:41] neurogeek: my uni is getting "fired" for several reasons. I'm a DE student [03:41] Ah, alright. Well, I got pleasant answers here . . . and thank you indeed for them. I am off for some work, thanks again - and good night [03:41] neurogeek: hence the uni forums are supposed to be my classroom [03:42] neurogeek: I got punished for trying to use them as a classroom :( ie trying to discuss the subject [03:43] neurogeek: And the uni never answered my phone calls or emails or faxes - so time to find a new one. [03:44] brb [03:44] Yagisan, Well thats right.. you can't just wait or do whatever they like you to do.. good point and good luck === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:49] hi all [03:51] mhz, hey!! how are you doing?? [03:51] neurogeek: nice to see ya [03:51] neurogeek: i'm fine [03:51] mhz, same here [03:51] mhz, glad to hear that [03:51] i just had a very long meeting that ended 3 ours ago and lasted about 4 [03:52] say what?? thats exhausting.. i hope it brings good things at least [03:52] neurogeek: in the meeting, one of the core points was the Maracaibo event [03:53] Do you think we (Tecnocimiento) should make this effort to get there (I mean, spending money that could be spent on cd's or marketing edubuntu in Chile, etc.)? [03:53] neurogeek: ping [03:58] neurogeek: ping [03:58] neurogeek: ping [04:00] neurogeek: ping [04:01] mhz, sorry.. i was reading emails. jeje [04:02] jejeje, np [04:02] mhz, depending on what you are promoting.. [04:03] it's just that this week is gonna be very hard. I am trying to motivate a very important Chilean medium company to help Tecnocimiento and work together [04:03] it could be interesnting though.. mainly because big enterprises are going to be there.. [04:04] probably this enterprises could start something here.. they are very interested in education.. so called <> here [04:05] They have biz relantionships with many (about 1000) schools here. Tecnocimiento is working (mostly volunteer work) hard to make a biz model model out of social insertion with ITC. [04:05] Will be able to talk (at least 30 mins each?) [04:05] ? [04:06] could be possible.. could you send me an email with the topic?? i'll pass it to some people here to see if they can fit you in [04:06] I mean, if I get funds to get there, can I tell my 'mecenas': Sure, we'll have some time to show and do Public Relations, and maybe even get interesting ideas and feedback. [04:07] neurogeek: I can do that [04:08] mhz, yes.. send me that email.. and i'll forward it asap to see what they can do [04:08] neurogeek: any 'technical data sheet' about the event I can read and sum up for my mecenas? [04:09] I know they'll be interested on # of atendees, speakers, objectives, etc [04:09] mhz, yeap.. here: http://tecnologialibre.org/ [04:09] numbers of attendees im not sure.. but the rest is there [04:09] ohhh [04:09] okidoki [04:10] BTW, how's the project going? [04:10] if you check the program.. you'll still see spots to be covered.. [04:11] Well.. its going great.. just about an hour ago i found out our speech at PyCon2006 was accepted.. so we are going to be at it next year [04:11] cOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL [04:12] it feels great LA is impacting positively on IT areas. Usually, we've been more passive === skvidal [n=skvidal@fedora/skvidal] has joined #edubuntu [04:13] neurogeek: ping [04:13] yes.. is because of the OpenSource model.. it helps nacions to be more self-aware of new and better technologies [04:13] neurogeek: skvidal is moin user [04:14] neurogeek: exactly [04:14] skvidal, hello [04:14] neurogeek: mhz from #moin suggested you might know something about docbook rendering problems in moin? [04:14] neurogeek: I'm getting an error I'm not familiar with [04:14] AttributeErrorXsltRoot instance has no attribute 'outputParams' [04:14] when trying to enable the docbook format renderer in moin [04:15] I'm not terribly familiar with docbook or 4Suite so I'm having a bit of trouble debugging this [04:15] skvidal, Can you do a dir() on that class?? [04:15] likely [04:16] neither do I with docbook.. i've used 4Suite for xslt-xml transformations [04:17] hmm - I think I know where I should start looking [04:17] thanks [04:17] I'll move along from here [04:17] mhz: thanks for the reference! === skvidal [n=skvidal@fedora/skvidal] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [04:18] re [04:18] Yagisan: how's family and wife holding? [04:18] mhz: bub still not out [04:19] hehehe [04:19] mhz: yourself ? [04:19] tired but fine [04:20] Well, im gone.. see you guys [04:20] mhz: sorry no email yet. I've been off the pc for a few days [04:20] neurogeek: I am reading [04:20] neurogeek: bye [04:20] once i finish, I'll send you email [04:20] mhz, send me the email as soon as you can [04:20] Ok [04:20] do i have yours? [04:20] Yagisan, nice seeing you again [04:20] umm [04:20] sorry [04:20] jeje [04:20] hehehe [04:20] si po! [04:20] mhz, jrivero@latinux.org [04:20] okidoki [04:21] perfect-.. i'll be expecting it [04:21] educool [04:21] bye [04:21] Yagisan: I had a very important meeting today [04:22] mhz: ? [04:22] about education and ICT [04:22] tomorrow, meeting continues [04:22] mhz: sounds interesting - any leads ? [04:22] and if all goes well, on Wednesday, we'll know if TC gets some funds to do what we want/need in Chile [04:23] mhz: good luck for Wednesday [04:23] I don't wanna have expectations but I can't help it :) [04:23] thx [04:24] do you know what the sex of the baby is? [04:24] mhz: I think it may be a boy, but no we don't know. baby wouldn't hold still for the ultrasound [04:24] hehehehehhe [04:25] my daughter either [04:25] my daughter didn't either [04:26] mhz: typical children. Never hold still when you want them too [04:26] hehehe, well, Women never do what we want [04:26] maybe thats a hint [04:28] mhz: no they don't. It's like "What do you know, you're a man! Do it yourself" [04:29] mhz: then you go to do it yourself "What do you think you are doing ? You idiot ! Give it to me, I'll do it. Useless" [04:29] weeee! student control panel (a.k.a ubuntu TeacherTool) source available [04:30] LOL!!!!! [04:30] it same old story everywhere around the world???????? [04:31] I believe so. [04:32] crap - my monthly I&E reports are late [04:32] we have no future [04:32] I&E? [04:32] Income and Expenditure [04:32] ohhhhh [04:33] they tell you how your money/savings go down? [04:33] yes, exactly - for 4 straight months now === Yagisan sighs - this isn't looking to good [04:38] Yagisan: I am truly sorry. [04:38] Yagisan: are you part of the ubuntu server team? [04:39] I'm sure your help/experience may be very interesting [04:39] mhz: No I'm not [04:39] mhz: I didn't know there was a server team [04:40] I guess there is [04:40] or at least, work for ubuntu servers is being done [04:43] mhz: I'll look into it when I have time. [04:43] ok [04:44] hmm - I lost less money this month compared to last month, but I made no sales ?!? [04:45] hmm, how did it go with your banks and other important referrals? [04:45] mhz: that meeting is in 15 days [04:46] ah, I know why I lost less money [04:46] oh [04:46] transport cost is down, as I spent more time taking wife to and from hospital, rather then seeing customers [04:47] oh, that explains it [04:48] now, how to put a positive spin on that, I did offload a ton of business cards there - that could be classed as advertising :) === Yagisan hates jumping through government hoops [04:49] December should be better - baby will be out by then [04:50] Yagisan: in Chile, we say that all babies bring some good luck with them [04:51] mhz: cool, I hope so. Last months loss was $152.83 - that's rather good considering what some months looked like [04:52] hehehe [04:52] I like your positivism [04:53] mhz: I need to be optimistic, otherwise the stress would kill me [04:55] how's your arm/hand? [04:56] mhz: very sore - I tried resting it over the last few days [04:57] 'tried'? [04:57] couldn't? [04:57] mhz: kids never let you rest [04:58] heheheh [04:58] neither do wives [04:59] mhz: I'm so happy I only have 1 then :) [04:59] hehehehe === mhz is separated and 'living' with current woman for about 6 years now [05:00] so, I can say she's my wife [05:00] and former wife wants money all the time [05:01] mhz: I'm sure you suggested she could get a job right ? [05:02] hehehehehehe [05:02] yup, and she does have one but still wants money from me [05:02] why is that when marriage ends, women take the kids and sue for money [05:03] mhz: me personal opinion, I see nothing wrong with paying for kids, but to pay for someone that can work - I have a problem with that [05:03] mee too [05:04] but being sued just to give money is stupid [05:04] mhz: I hope you can see your kids (perhaps suing her for emotional distress ?) [05:04] a father/mother will always want the best for their kids [05:04] hehehe [05:05] i now can, but the first 2 years were unberable [05:05] mhz: I agree, but often they disagree on how to do what is best [05:05] yup [05:06] anyways, we were talkng about your money, not wives [05:06] :D [05:07] mhz: yep, I'm faxing my I&E into the government, in an effort to avoid seeing them and having to "discuss" why I missed my target [05:07] for the first quater [05:09] you got to specify 'targets'? [05:09] mhz: yes, I feel I was overly optimistic with mine - I need to revise them down a bit [05:12] back soon - off to have lunch [05:13] ok === mhz is off to bed === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === coolio_za [n=hilton@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [07:46] coolio_za: you are quiet :) [07:47] hello highvoltage and coolio_za === JaneW waves across the garden... === JaneW was wondering if we should get some edubuntu merchandising through cafe press... it seems a little pricey though... http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop [07:53] hiya Jane [07:53] JaneW: ~)))) [07:53] (tidal wave) [07:57] cafepress is expensive, not because they're expensive, but because they have a built-in markup. [07:58] i was thinking of ordering through them too, but if you're going large-scale, it will be cheaper to use another company. [08:01] highvoltage: yes thought so, but what about distribution? [08:01] coolio_za: congrats for the award!!! [08:02] highvoltage: you too obviously [08:02] and everyone else involved [08:02] highvoltage: are you guys actually using edubuntu yet? [08:02] highvoltage: LOL at tidal wave (now that I figured it out) ;) [08:03] JaneW: thanks [08:03] JaneW: no, we'll be starting using edubuntu about a month after the dapper release. [08:06] JaneW: thanx this was a great team effort and it feels fantastic being recognised externally on national TV === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === grace_ [n=grace@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu [09:13] hey there [09:14] i know moodle is available in synaptic but has anyone used or actually know that its there [09:14] anyone here ever use moodle [09:14] for a course of some kind [09:19] coolio_za: indeed, it's great acknowledgement and recognition for you all - well done and keep it up. [09:19] highvoltage: only after Dapper, pour quoi (why)? [09:19] grace_: yep, http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/moodle === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [09:20] JaneW: current edubuntu isn't quite ready for us yet, we're not ready for it either. [09:20] highvoltage: fair enough [09:20] JaneW: sound and even simple local device access (such as floppy access) is important for us [09:20] highvoltage: did you see we have sound sorted on LTSP now :)) [09:20] edubuntu has no support for that atm. [09:20] right [09:21] that's in dapper, though :) [09:21] highvoltage: yes local storage is the other thing we are sorting [09:21] nod [09:21] dapper will be real nice for the tuxlabs. === JaneW is very impressed with Breezy on the whole though, the improvements are great. I am running the edubuntu desktop now as well and am really enjoying it [09:22] it will make our lices much easier on this side. [09:22] nice! [09:22] you have lice? [09:22] haha [09:22] ;) [09:22] lives :) === JaneW will stay away from that side of 12 Plein street [09:23] hehe. well, your side has a funny smell, especially upstairs. === juliux [n=juliux@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === coolio_za [n=hilton@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu [] === linescanner [n=andy@62.121.26.69] has joined #edubuntu === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.213.193.59] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux is now known as juliux|lwe === juliux|lwe is now known as juliux === bimberi [n=bimberi@ppp-41-109.grapevine.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E6D67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:13] JaneW, hi === tux34 [n=tux34@196.33.244.58] has joined #edubuntu === aeon17x_ [n=aeon17x@210.213.193.176] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === linescanner [n=andy@62.121.26.69] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.213.192.231] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === jinty_ [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:21] hi all [04:21] hey mhz [04:21] hi zakame === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu [04:22] hi there [04:22] yahoo highvoltage [04:22] google mhz [04:23] altavista Mr. Carter [04:24] excite Mr. Hernandez [04:25] beagle all [04:25] indeed. [04:25] for me Google is the only one ruling [04:25] :) [04:43] highvoltage: any easy and quick way to know the exact number of education oriented packages on current release? [04:44] I found a wiki url but I guess is very outdated [04:44] mhz: not that i can think of [04:45] mhz, you mean the stuff edubuntu contains ? or all apps that ar available in ubuntu ? [04:48] ogra: hmm, the edubuntu only stuff, and hopefully, only the educational stuff that is currently on breezy and the ones that will be for dapper [04:49] ogra: I am preparing "training" for IT guys who may install and admin edubuntu on schools and a diff training for teachers who will use edubuntu [04:50] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSwList [04:51] thats the desktop software [04:51] ogra: is it updated [04:51] i just created it [04:52] it wont change much for next release [04:53] hehehe, ok === Katsumoto [n=teraflop@bbned225-210-100.dsl.hccnet.nl] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:04] ogra: last week I mentioned to JaneW that some teachers (esp. pitux) and I were planing to have some sort of respository for Edubuntu users. This rep. is aimed to provide excercises and educational contents for teachers/students to use with their edubuntu applications [05:05] fine [05:05] ogra: the idea, in the simplest way, is to 'package' this so you endup apt-get install math_primary_excercises.deb [05:06] math-primary-excercises-ch ? [05:06] err cl [05:06] yup, but in case of Sciences, I'd say they are language independant [05:06] (most of them) [05:07] but, yes [05:07] i think if there is some explanationary text you are lost :) [05:07] the idea is in a mid-future we have those in diff language [05:07] hehee, indeed [05:07] for instance, Keduca lets you use tests via http [05:08] I mean, they are located remotely [05:08] with this repo. Teachers would gain some sort of 'contribution points' [05:08] and we could provide some incentives [05:09] this might be a weird question to you but, is Edubuntu also suitable for home use...to learn how to work with it? or would you recommend the regular Ubuntu distribution? [05:09] Katsumoto: I use it instead ubuntu in my house [05:09] Katsumoto: my kids love it [05:09] Katsumoto, it has a workstation install mode for home usage :) [05:09] Katsumoto, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes [05:09] ohk thank you :) [05:10] Katsumoto: although I installed server-mode (edubuntu potential) I rarely use it [05:10] but it's good when other people want to give linux a try [05:10] ogra: so JaneW asked to talk to you [05:10] indeed...I want my parents+little brother to learn how to use it [05:11] ogra: maybe because she feels you are the one to tell how possible this is to be implemented in edubuntu [05:11] think I'll perform this network for a while in case I have any more q's :) [05:11] mhz, i'm not sure we can provide a ton of content, but as long as it stays at a reasonable size thats fine [05:12] Katsumoto: if your 'server' is over 1GHz and 512 MB, they could even try it with their stations connected to yours [05:12] Katsumoto: my 'server' is a thin laptop we connect my wife's laptop with. [05:12] ohk cool :) might be an option indeed [05:12] though, the machine I'm on now uses x640-bit windows version [05:13] mhz, actually my initial idea was to have a library server providing teaching content, but mark wants to see a bigger community before even thinking about that [05:13] ogra: we do not need to provide it in the CD releases, just have it available for apt-getting after install [05:13] ...i guess [05:13] will it work together? as in network settings and such === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu [05:13] Katsumoto: rephrase that, please [05:14] hmk, the machine I'm on now has win xp prof x64-bit running... [05:14] so if I install edubuntu on the other pc that's connected to this one [05:14] will it work together [05:14] ogra: so, can we count on with some edubuntu resources? how could we start this? [05:14] just package it :) [05:14] Katsumoto: samba should do the trivk [05:14] trick [05:14] ah yes oke :) [05:14] provide me access to the source package and i'll inspect it ... [05:15] ... if its fine, i'll upload it [05:16] ogra: ok, but lower level questions are: how do we do it? I mean, we create bunch of exercises (example) in each application specific format. Then what? [05:16] I might even switch to Linux fully, since I find this windows x64-bit release a bit crappy. [05:16] lack of drivers and such [05:16] Katsumoto: windows will always be crappy [05:16] true that :P [05:16] it's their development process that sucks [05:17] just find out how many times they have said "Now, this is all fixed" [05:17] and problems still there [05:17] and yet bring out another critical fix, yes [05:17] heh [05:17] that's my point [05:17] mhz, fo kvoctrain addons, i'd just call the package kvoctrain-exercises-cl :) [05:18] just make a data package for each app... [05:18] PLUS, if I use a Personal Computer (hence PC), I want it to use it for whatever I want to, I do not want to have prohibitions of any kind. [05:18] Palladium will kill my liberty [05:18] we could put a edubuntu-content package on top... [05:18] lol, I wonder howmuch prohibitions there will be in windows vista [05:18] ogra: aaaah === Katsumoto hides [05:19] ok, so all we need to start with is designing excercises and you'll take care of them? [05:19] .oO(it's ok but It seems TOO unfair you do all the job) === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.173.32] has joined #edubuntu [05:20] Katsumoto: hehehe [05:20] :p [05:20] mhz, i can teach you the packaging stuff its very easy ... [05:21] ogra: cool and more fair [05:21] ok, thanks for the info..I'm off to school :) [05:21] bye Katsumoto [05:22] ogra: so, let me start with some exercises and get back to you when done so we can give it a test-try [05:22] dry-test? [05:23] heh [05:23] as you like :) [05:23] duh! [05:23] heheh [05:23] BTW, my friends stickers sucked [05:24] :( [05:24] i need to give higher resolution and use a diff ink [05:24] or laser printer? [05:24] :D [05:25] BTW, some teacher have asked me for simulators [05:26] simulators ? [05:27] yup [05:28] like children who need to know i.e. how fast could be "cell reproduction" [05:28] given certain parameters [05:29] how much area would an atomic bomb cover [05:29] stuff like that [05:29] stuff you do not want to have a lab for [05:29] :) [05:29] ah [05:29] or based on many schools needs, they can't afford a LAb [05:30] so, a computer lab could do the trick [05:31]