[12:11] <Riddell> any breezy users around?
[12:11] <Riddell> 3.5 rc1 uploaded
[12:13] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: ping
[12:13] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: pong
[12:14] <jeroenvrp> yes great I saw that you we're busy
[12:14] <jeroenvrp> let's check
[12:14] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: if you could install 3.5 rc1 to test that would be great
[12:14] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: great, one thing missing though :-(
[12:15] <jeroenvrp> kdewebdev/  
[12:15] <jeroenvrp> ?
[12:15] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: Off course I will install it
[12:15] <jeroenvrp> and will let you know
[12:15] <jeroenvrp> but kdewebdev is missing?
[12:15] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: yeah, kdesdk is waiting on a subversion updates, blocks kdewebdev and kdevelop Im' afraid
[12:16] <jeroenvrp> ok, hopefully there we be no problem to have 3.4.3 of those available
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: synaptic wants to remove some packages
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> like akode
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> kdeskd
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> ok I see, different names
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> let's do it :-)
[12:24] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: akode -> libakode2
[12:25] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: yes I saw that,  "different names" :-)
[12:27] <Diablo-D3> sf.net is back to normal
[12:41] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: it complains about kmenu.png , that is in kicker, but also in kdelibs-data > the latter one wants to overwrite it
[12:41] <jeroenvrp> how do I set --force-rpm in Synaptic?
[12:41] <jeroenvrp> oeps I mean --force
[12:43] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: can you paste the exact error?
[12:43] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: it is in dutch
[12:43] <Riddell> fine
[12:43] <jeroenvrp> but here it goes
[12:43] <jeroenvrp> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5-rc1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb: poging tot overschrijven van `/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/22x22/apps/kmenu.png', wat ook in pakket kicker zit
[12:43] <jeroenvrp> in synaptic (popup)
[12:46] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: ok, I'll fix that, thanks
[12:46] <Riddell> dpkg --force-overwrite --install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5-rc1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb
[12:46] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: how can I continue
[12:46] <Riddell> should do it
[12:46] <jeroenvrp> ok, but I'm in synaptic right now
[12:46] <Riddell> do it on the command line
[12:46] <jeroenvrp> ok I try
[12:47] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ok, no back to synaptic
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> installing
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> oeps
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: another error
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-kresources_4%3a3.5-rc1-1ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb: poging tot overschrijven van `/usr/share/services/kresources/kcal/blogging.desktop', wat ook in pakket libkcal2a zit
[12:52] <jeroenvrp> same kind of error
[12:53] <Riddell> hmm, thought I'd fixed that one
[12:53] <jeroenvrp> i will continue using dpkg
[12:54] <jeroenvrp> deps-problem
[12:54] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: how forcing ignoring deps
[12:55] <Riddell> please tell me any problems here
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> with dpkg
[01:01] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: what's the deps problems?
[01:01] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: dpkg was complaining about missing deps
[01:01] <jeroenvrp> but I resolved it with apt-get -f install
[01:01] <jeroenvrp> synapric is now running again
[01:01] <Riddell> ok
[01:05] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: error again
[01:05] <jeroenvrp> 2 errors
[01:06] <jeroenvrp> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kttsd_4%3a3.5-rc1-1ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb: poging tot overschrijven van `/usr/lib/libKTTSD_Lib.so.0.0.1', wat ook in pakket ksayit zit
[01:06] <jeroenvrp> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kmouth_4%3a3.5-rc1-1ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb: conflicterende pakketten - kmouth wordt niet genstalleerd
[01:06] <Riddell> grr
[01:06] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: do you understand the errors
[01:06] <Riddell> what's the second one?
[01:06] <jeroenvrp> conflicting packages - kmouth will not be installed
[01:07] <allee> jeroenvrp: LC_ALL=en_US make ;)
[01:07] <jeroenvrp> allee: yeah yeah
[01:07] <allee> :)
[01:07] <jeroenvrp> almost ready
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: another problem
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> E: kdeedu-doc-html: subproces post-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 2 terug
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> E: kdepim-doc: subproces post-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 2 terug
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> this is during the configure process, somewhere on the end
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> trans.: subprocess post-installation script gave a error 2 back
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> but installation is complete
[01:14] <Riddell> grr, the old .dhelp problem
[01:14] <Riddell> thanks much jeroenvrp, I'll try and get those tidied up
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I don't thnink that last error was very trivial
[01:15] <jeroenvrp> I will package the dutch language pack now first and after that I kill the X-server and hopefully I will be back soon :-)
[01:33] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: can't install nl-language
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> it is saying: no english docs found in /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/common/
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I? back 
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> 3.5 :-)
[01:47] <Riddell> woo
[01:51] <jeroenvrp> withouy the new dutch language-file
[01:51] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: thanks a lot
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> I don't suppose anyone here has tried to compile the newest sim1.0 svn against qt4? Seems the qt4 dev in breezy univ is missing a file.
[02:58] <freeflying> Is kde3.5rc1 ready for dapper now ? 
[03:04] <jjesse> yesterday i asked the same question and you can use the breezy build on dapper
[03:04] <jjesse> which is what i'm using
[03:05] <jjesse> i just added the breezy source for kde3.5rc1 to my dapper sources
[03:05] <freeflying> jjesse: dose this work on dapper well?
[03:06] <jjesse> i upgraded from breezy to dapper then updated to kde3.5rc1
[03:07] <freeflying> jjesse: works smoothly?
[03:07] <jjesse> the upgrade was a little slow, but it works fine
[03:10] <freeflying> dare not to do so 
[03:13] <jjesse> freeflying: i've been using it since yesterday afternoon w/ no issues :)
[03:14] <freeflying> there maybe problems ?
[03:15] <freeflying> and warning message gives 
[03:16] <jjesse> did you install riddell's key?
[03:16] <jjesse> afk helping out someone at work
[03:16] <jjesse> if you didn't install his key then it will give you warnings but you can still install
[03:17] <freeflying> jjesse: yeah , i import Riddell's key 
[03:35] <jjesse> freeflying: did you get it installed?
[03:35] <freeflying> jjesse:have not yet 
[03:53] <Tm_T> hmh
[03:58] <freeflying> jjesse: when I do aptitude upgrade ,many packages of kde3.5rc1 can not be upgrade
[04:00] <Riddell> freeflying: which ones?
[04:01] <freeflying> Reading extended state information
[04:01] <freeflying> Initializing package states... 
[04:01] <freeflying> The following packages have been kept back:
[04:01] <freeflying>   akregator ark arts artsbuilder gwenview imagemagick initramfs-tools
[04:01] <freeflying>   kaddressbook kamera kappfinder karm kate kaudiocreator kcontrol kcron
[04:01] <freeflying>   kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase-bin kdebase-kio-plugins
[04:01] <freeflying>   kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs4-dev kdelibs4c2
[04:01] <Tm_T> aerh, can't get Kopete compiled at all now
[04:01] <freeflying>   kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
[04:01] <freeflying>   kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepasswd
[04:01] <freeflying>   kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-wizards kdeprint kdesktop kdm kfind kget
[04:01] <Tm_T> not iwth gcc 4 or 3.4
[04:01] <freeflying>   kghostview kgpg khelpcenter kicker klaptopdaemon kleopatra klipper kmail
[04:01] <freeflying>   kmenuedit kmilo kmix knetworkconf knotes konqueror konqueror-nsplugins
[04:01] <freeflying>   konsole kontact kooka kopete korganizer kpdf kpf kpilot kppp krfb kscd
[04:01] <freeflying>   kscreensaver ksim ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksync ksysguard
[04:02] <freeflying>   ksysguardd kuser kwalletmanager kweather kwifimanager kwin libarts1-dev
[04:02] <freeflying>   libarts1-xine libarts1c2 libartsc0 libartsc0-dev libkcddb1 libkonq4
[04:02] <freeflying>   libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1 libksieve0 libktnef1
[04:04] <Tm_T> flood :/
[04:04] <freeflying> Riddell: have you got it ?
[04:04] <jjesse> hmm i don't remember if i had any issues like that, i just did a apt-update apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:04] <Tm_T> yu
[04:04] <Riddell> Tm_T: amd64?
[04:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: nope
[04:05] <Tm_T> I'm not that rich ;)
[04:05] <Riddell> hmm
[04:05] <Riddell> my amd64 was stupidly cheap
[04:05] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/430328
[04:05] <Tm_T> heh
[04:05] <Tm_T> well, motherboard was the issue when I bought my pc
[04:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: everything else do compile just fine(?)
[04:07] <Riddell> I had no problems with kdenetwork, except on amd64
[04:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:09] <Tm_T> well, I compiled Kopete just fine in Breezy :)
[05:58] <Riddell> http://business.bostonherald.com/technologyNews/view.bg?articleid=112160&format=text
[05:58] <Riddell> installing "kubunto"
[05:59] <Tm_T> :/
[06:00] <Tm_T> I don't understand why it's so hard to write correct
[06:00] <Tm_T> they are not real kubunteros, amigo
[06:00] <Riddell> he gets it right the second time
[06:00] <Tm_T> :p
[06:00] <Riddell> "pronounced kay-ubuntu" no it isn't
[06:00] <Riddell> maybe I should add that to the FAQ
[06:01] <Tm_T> yu
[06:02] <Tm_T> si si senr
[06:03] <Tm_T> well, can't win every time
[06:17] <Tm_T> no luck
[06:17] <Tm_T> irritating
[06:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: what you think, should I try to compile g++-4 etc myself and see if it helps?
[06:28] <Tm_T> hmm, or..
[06:29] <Riddell> Tm_T: eek, no
[06:29] <Riddell> Tm_T: just wait a few days and it'll be in the archives?
[06:31] <Tm_T> ah, new g++ ?
[06:32] <Tm_T> tried to force older version (from breezy) but synaptic crashed :p 
[06:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: ?
[06:34] <Riddell> well I'll upload it to the archives
[06:34] <Tm_T> g++ you mean, good
[06:36] <Riddell> kdenetwork
[06:37] <Tm_T> well, that doesn't help me
[06:37] <Tm_T> I'm compiling dev-0.12 branch
[06:37] <Tm_T> using, testing
[06:37] <Tm_T> ve
[06:38] <Tm_T> whops
[06:42] <Tm_T> hmh, downgrading and testing more
[06:42] <Tm_T> ->
[06:44] <Tm_T> bah, nocando
[06:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, I keep on trying,will bother you if can/can't manage to sort it out ;)
[07:31] <jjesse> is gimp the default image editor for kubuntu or would that be krita?
[07:32] <Riddell> krita is
[07:32] <Riddell> although gimp is currently still better than krita for most uses
[08:13] <Tonio_> re
[08:46] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, forcing, cleaning, forcing, cleaning... ah, finally :)
[08:47] <Riddell> Tm_T: woo
[08:47] <Tm_T> I tried 3 times from scracth...
[08:49] <Tm_T> maybe compiler was just having fun or something
[08:51] <author-psi> Riddell: "[19:32]  <Riddell> although gimp is currently still better than krita for most uses" yes thats right, but krita is allredy for "image manipulation". Gimp is for expert painting ;)
[08:52] <Riddell> krita from koffice 1.5 will rock
[08:53] <author-psi> mhm my version is 1.4.1
[08:54] <author-psi> what kind of new features are in version 1.5
[08:54] <Tm_T> Riddell: true
[08:55] <author-psi> http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/koffice-features.html
[08:55] <author-psi> oh realy nice things for 1.5 krita
[08:56] <author-psi> i hope for the feature like gimp: you copy an image and click on "new -> new image" and then the image have the same propotions like the first
[10:08] <Riddell> JRe, tvo: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29514
[10:08] <Riddell> interesting katapult alternative 
[10:08] <Riddell> uterly unusable but
[10:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: according to what I know it needs configuration
[10:09] <Tonio_> the advantage of katapult is that "it just works"
[10:10] <Tonio_> but there is a really anoying issue
[10:10] <Riddell> well you could take that out
[10:10] <Riddell> this thing needs the mouse as well as keyboard, and it doesn't have all the apps
[10:10] <Tonio_> it is not possible to switch between different possibilities
[10:11] <Tonio_> for example firefox has several bookmarks whose name start with firefox
[10:12] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: hows project get-kdesktop-working-right going?
[10:12] <Tonio_> when you want to launch firefox, you only get those annoying bookmarks.... switching with "tab" would be great ;)
[10:13] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: what's that?
[10:13] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: its the one where you're supposed to get kdesktop working right ;)
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you like a kommando package for universe at least ? I have a few time, I can make one ;)
[10:14] <tvo> Tonio_: if you're talking about katapult, this is already feature-requested (re:  it is not possible to switch between different possibilities)
[10:14] <tvo> and will be implemented pretty soon I guess
[10:15] <Tonio_> tvo: good news thanks ;)
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: kdesktop keeps saying it recieves signal 11
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: and then refreshes all the icons
[10:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[10:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's go
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> happens anytime you interact with it in any meaningful way (such as hover over an icon, or drag a window over icons)
[10:15] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: which kubuntu version, what KDE packages?
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: 3.5 rc1 from dapper
[10:16] <jjesse> Diablo-D3: i'm not seeing any crashes on breezy kde 3.5 rc1or on dapper kde 3.5 rc1
[10:16] <Diablo-D3> its not a crash
[10:16] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: probably need to rebuild arts at least without visibility
[10:16] <Diablo-D3> I think kdesktop is just on crack
[10:16] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: doesnt dapper's arts already do this?
[10:19] <Riddell> no
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> ....
[10:28] <tvo> seriously, ctrl+alt+H is the worst choice for a shortcut key ever...
[10:33] <tvo> it (kommando) could be useful if it's changed so that it responds to mouse click instead of kb shortcut,
[10:33] <tvo> so you can just drag the mouse with button(s) pressed to the right entry
[10:38] <Riddell> every mouse click?  that might get in the way
[10:39] <tvo> well, it should be an option imho, so you can change for example middle click to show kommando menu
[10:40] <tvo> (such a thing for windows was included with my mouse drivers)
[10:41] <Riddell> we should ask the guy to work on katapult
[10:42] <jjesse> i love katapult, so much easier then k menu -> run or naviagting through the k menu
[10:44] <tvo> something like a circular K menu could be pretty cool: you'd press mouse button on K, drag in certain direction, hold for a while, submenu pops up with center at mousepos, then you drag again etc..
[10:45] <tvo> iirc I read once that circular menus could be navigated faster than rectangular
[10:46] <jjesse> tvo: i once had a mouse that had a programable button that activated a menu like that
[10:49] <tvo> jjesse: included with the (win) drivers I assume, just like my mouse?  (mine without extra button tho..)
[10:50] <jjesse> tvo: yeah with the win driver it was a button that was where my thumb was, i loved it but the mouse got lost in a move
[10:51] <tvo> if I _had_ a 4th button such a circular menu feature would be a good candidate to be assigned to that button
[10:58] <Verwilst> aaaah
[10:58] <Verwilst> back in kubuntu
[10:58] <Verwilst> with kde 3.5 rc1
[10:58] <Verwilst> looks pretty damn sweet ;)
[10:58] <Verwilst> after some tweaking ofcourse ;)
[11:00] <Riddell> Verwilst: what tweaking?
[11:10] <Verwilst> gui stuffs
[11:11] <Verwilst> nuvola icons, other kdm theme, other background, konsole on taskbar, handles on taskbar invisible, plastik instead of lipstik, fontsize 9
[11:11] <Verwilst> kde4ever as konqueror background
[11:11] <Verwilst> that's about it :d
[11:11] <Verwilst> i'm glad to see dejavu is standard now  :d
[11:11] <Diablo-D3> why?
[11:11] <Verwilst> cuz it's nice :p
[11:12] <Verwilst> it's like bitstream vera on steroids :p
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> I still dont get why dejavu is prefered over bitstream vera
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> I think its ugly
[11:12] <Verwilst> it looks the same, just has a lot more characters
[11:12] <Verwilst> unicode stuffs
[11:12] <Verwilst> dejavu is bitstream, but improved
[11:12] <Diablo-D3> not enough room between the z and the y ;)
[11:12] <Verwilst> zy
[11:13] <Verwilst> :p
[11:13] <Verwilst> i can live with that :p
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> I wish the defaults were a bit bigger
[11:13] <Verwilst> :p
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> 10 is pretty small.
[11:14] <Verwilst> 9 is perfect
[11:14] <Verwilst> 19", 1280x1024
[11:14] <Verwilst> aaaaaaaaaaanyways, bed, see ya!
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> not really.
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> seeya
[11:14] <Verwilst> it is for me :p
[11:14] <Verwilst> bye!
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: kommando uploaded
[11:19] <Tonio_> to revu
[11:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool, poke me if I don't review it soon
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb, there is no emergency ;)
[11:22] <Riddell> did mateedit get packaged?
[11:22] <Tonio_> dunno
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> meatedit? what?
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: apparently not
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: btw
[11:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: fancy doing that then? :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> I'll search for a debian package, and if there's not, I may make one also
[11:23] <Tonio_> let go ;)
[11:23] <Riddell> mez was going to, but I guess he never got round to it
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: the fact kdelibs and base dont build is why the source is in dapper but no packages, isnt it?
[11:24] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: they only don't build because kdelibs has the wrong build-dep on arts.  I havn't fixed it because I'm waiting on the libstdc++ transition
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> hehe
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> yeah, thats pretty much it
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> hacking control fixes that
[11:24] <Diablo-D3> kdebase, however, dies on Xrender.h bullshit =/
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> copying Xrender.h to a better place fixes that ;)