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| dholbach_ | good night everybody | 12:58 |
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| mdke | night | 12:59 |
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| mdke | man bugzilla is slow right now | 01:07 |
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| ogra | daniels, ping | 01:20 |
| daniels | ogra: pong | 01:21 |
| ogra | daniels, i'm trying to preseed some xorg values for ltsp clients .... | 01:21 |
| ogra | namely i want to force 16 bit as default colordepth | 01:22 |
| daniels | hrm | 01:23 |
| ogra | in the setup script mdz calls dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive $xserver_package (where $xserver_package == xserver-xorg) | 01:23 |
| daniels | i don't think that's preseedable at the moment | 01:23 |
| ogra | oh, ok | 01:23 |
| daniels | actually, no | 01:23 |
| ogra | i tried to put preseed $xserver_package $xserver_package/config/display/default_depth "16" above ... nbut if the package doesntr recognize it anyway, nevermind... | 01:23 |
| daniels | just preseed xserver-xorg/cponfig/display/default_depth ... oh | 01:23 |
| daniels | it should only be resetting it if the seen flag is false, afaict | 01:24 |
| daniels | db_fget xserver-xorg/config/display/default_depth seen | 01:24 |
| daniels | if [ "$RET" = "false" ] ; then | 01:24 |
| daniels | db_set xserver-xorg/config/display/default_depth $DEFAULT_DEPTH | 01:24 |
| daniels | fi | 01:24 |
| daniels | although, right, it's reset if we're calling -reconfigure | 01:24 |
| ogra | cat you change that in one of the future versions ? its important for low end clients .. | 01:25 |
| daniels | err | 01:25 |
| daniels | not really | 01:25 |
| ogra | so what should i do ? | 01:26 |
| daniels | i mean, I don't think that will get called if you preseed autodetect_display=false | 01:26 |
| daniels | but then you, well, lose all the display autodetection | 01:26 |
| ogra | hmpf | 01:26 |
| daniels | i have a hard requirement that dpkg-reconfigure reset everything and do what people expect, from mdz | 01:26 |
| daniels | i could stick in an XORG_FORCE_DEPTH=16 variable if you liked | 01:26 |
| ogra | yeah, that'd be enough | 01:27 |
| ogra | the original ltsp does that by default ... i'm trying to find out why we need more than twice as much memory | 01:27 |
| ogra | and this seems to be one of the hogs... | 01:28 |
| daniels | it should be making a total of 4mb difference on 1600x1200 | 01:29 |
| ogra | thats much ... | 01:29 |
| daniels | and about 1.5MB difference on 1024x768 | 01:29 |
| ogra | i'm fighting for every MB currently | 01:29 |
| daniels | actually, wait, that's comparing to 8bpp | 01:29 |
| daniels | 786kb on 1024x768 | 01:29 |
| ogra | the lowest footprint i could get it working with is 40MB ... ltsp uses 32 | 01:30 |
| daniels | almost 2MB on 16x12 | 01:30 |
| ogra | so i still have to loose 8 meg | 01:30 |
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| wasabi_ | Hmm. Trying to get X to work with a 1920x1600 monitor | 01:41 |
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| uenyioha | could someone explain to me what this "special" gcc function call does _dl_allocate_tls...? | 04:32 |
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| uenyioha | anyone knows what it does....im reading through linuxthreads code and came across it...i'd appreciate the help | 04:36 |
| uenyioha | ? | 04:36 |
| bob2 | linuxthreads is poking tls stuff? | 04:37 |
| uenyioha | say bob2: thanks...but could you explain more | 04:37 |
| uenyioha | say bob2: or at least point to a URL | 04:37 |
| uenyioha | say bob2: i know it seems to be some sort of memory allocation at the least... | 04:38 |
| bob2 | uh, your irc client seems to be broken | 04:38 |
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| uenyioha | bob2: i know it seems to be some sort of memory allocation at the least... | 04:39 |
| uenyioha | bob2: sorry missed the slash | 04:39 |
| bob2 | I have no idea what it does or what it is | 04:39 |
| uenyioha | bob2: ok thanks...i dunno....the most i can tell now is that it seems to be some sort of special gcc call... | 04:40 |
| uenyioha | ok..i see it now....its a linux call to allocate memory that is local to a thread | 04:44 |
| desrt | Kinnison; ? | 04:49 |
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| viviersf | doko : ping | 07:41 |
| doko | viviersf: just ask | 07:42 |
| viviersf | just making sure you in | 07:42 |
| viviersf | there has been in a problem in OO 2 since beta | 07:43 |
| viviersf | if i open a big document | 07:43 |
| viviersf | its just dies | 07:43 |
| bob2 | have you filed a bug? | 07:43 |
| viviersf | yes | 07:43 |
| doko | yes, there are some bug reports ... | 07:43 |
| viviersf | bob2, the bugzilla told me that my bug report does not have enough data | 07:44 |
| viviersf | i really dont know where the problem is | 07:44 |
| viviersf | but i could propably get you a doc that makes it crash if that would help | 07:44 |
| doko | viviersf: yes, if you have such a document, it would be nice to attach it | 07:45 |
| viviersf | kk | 07:46 |
| viviersf | kk | 07:46 |
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| ctd | 17:43 < stuporglue> I'm from Provo, UT, USA where Jeff Waugh was supposed to | 07:50 |
| ctd | speak tomorrow. | 07:50 |
| ctd | 17:44 < stuporglue> I'm hearing roumors that he's canceled his trip, and I was | 07:50 |
| ctd | wondering if there were anyone that could help me get ahold | 07:50 |
| ctd | of his wife for confirmation, or that knows if this is true. | 07:50 |
| ctd | anyone heard anything 'bout this? | 07:50 |
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| crimsun | ctd: he flew out of RDU on Saturday | 07:57 |
| crimsun | ctd: I don't know his current itinerary | 07:57 |
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| Burgundavia | lamont-away, ping | 08:19 |
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| JaneW | has everyone seen this review yet? It's very good and echos exactly how I feel about Breezy - I love it cos it just WORKS :) http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=645 | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | JaneW, tectonic might as well work for canonical with the reviews they write | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | not that that is a bad thing... | 09:27 |
| Treenaks | JaneW: There's an article in a Dutch computer magazine, giving it 9 points out of 10 (SuSE 10 gets 8), and they say "it's ready to take on windows, if enough people install it" | 09:28 |
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| JaneW | Treenaks: awesome | 09:28 |
| === JaneW would totally recommend it to friends and family, whereas I hesitated with Hoary reckoning they'd need quite a lot of support and hand holding with it... | ||
| Treenaks | JaneW: now imagine Dapper | 09:29 |
| JaneW | Burgundavia: yes I gather they do like Ubuntu (the idea of it) as well as the product | 09:29 |
| JaneW | Treenaks: indeed! | 09:29 |
| robitaille | JaneW, of course we have seen that tectonic article. It was on the Fridge a little while back :) | 09:30 |
| JaneW | Treenaks: I hope your flight was good, I managed to NOT buy anything in MOntreal airport, but did some damage to my visa card in Schipol airport - that place just shouts BUY ME! ;) | 09:30 |
| JaneW | robitaille: good, sorry I am just slow then ;) | 09:30 |
| Treenaks | JaneW: I only bought batteries for my MP3-player :) | 09:31 |
| Mithrandir | JaneW: no, is shouts "DRR, BUY, FLY" :-) | 09:31 |
| Mithrandir | s/DRR/SEE/ | 09:31 |
| JaneW | Treenaks: and I tried purfumes until the shop assistant gave me a dirty look ;) So I 'smelled like a girl' like jdub does ;) | 09:31 |
| Treenaks | JaneW: LOL | 09:32 |
| Burgundavia | JaneW, ouch | 09:32 |
| JaneW | Mithrandir: hehe so it does - well it worked! | 09:32 |
| Burgundavia | JaneW, I'm hearing roumors that he's(Jeff Waugh) canceled his trip. This true? | 09:32 |
| JaneW | Burgundavia: he does! cvd bought him a women's deodorant ;) | 09:32 |
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| JaneW | Burgundavia: I heard an hour so so back that he is in Sydney, I don;t know anything else, or even if he is back sooner than expected... | 09:33 |
| Treenaks | If he's back now, that's much sooner than expected | 09:33 |
| JaneW | oic, wonder what happened then... | 09:41 |
| robitaille | it seems he was coming home a week early: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013043.html | 09:44 |
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| Mithrandir | what's up with bugzilla? It's amazingly slow. | 09:55 |
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| Mithrandir | any web server? Just install the apache2 package | 10:01 |
| JaneW | Mithrandir: ok, will do | 10:02 |
| sivang | morning all | 10:02 |
| pitti | Hi sivang | 10:03 |
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| Burgundavia | JaneW, you played with planner? | 10:08 |
| sivang | pitti: hey Martin | 10:09 |
| JaneW | Burgundavia: no, do you recommend it? | 10:10 |
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| Burgundavia | JaneW, I heard it is not all full featured as MS Project but nicer to use | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | JaneW, and it a gnome app, no need for a webserver and nasty PHP | 10:11 |
| JaneW | Burgundavia: sounds good to me! I will check it out :) | 10:11 |
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| Burgundavia | night all | 10:13 |
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| seb128 | is bugzilla slow for other people too? | 10:30 |
| Treenaks | seb128: yes, I saw someone complain earlier | 10:31 |
| Treenaks | 09:54 < Mithrandir> what's up with bugzilla? It's amazingly slow. | 10:31 |
| Treenaks | 01:07 < mdke> man bugzilla is slow right now | 10:31 |
| seb128 | k | 10:31 |
| seb128 | so that's not only me :) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:31 |
| mvo | seb128: yep, for me too | 10:31 |
| seb128 | yeah, after a few min I got the start page | 10:32 |
| seb128 | let's search for a bug now :p | 10:32 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: it's mostly changing stuff which is slow for me. Other things are just bugzilla-slow. | 10:33 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: here it's "take 2 min to load a page" slow | 10:33 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, but it seems to only be for stuff which changes bugzilla for me. | 10:33 |
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| Mithrandir | anyway, I'm looking at the Merge Of Doom, so I don't mind ATM. | 10:34 |
| seb128 | do we have some ftpmaster of buildd admin today? | 10:34 |
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| seb128 | I need syncs and to get some builds kicked | 10:34 |
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| seb128 | s/of/or/ | 10:34 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: infinity should be back home, so I think so, yes | 10:36 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:36 |
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| Mithrandir | uhm, dpkg-statoverride shouldn't be called from maintainer scripts, should it? | 10:43 |
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| Kamion | seb128: I can kick some builds for you ... | 10:50 |
| Mithrandir | morning, Colin | 10:50 |
| Kamion | morning | 10:50 |
| seb128 | Kamion: hi. Giving a retry to libwpd would be nice, it's required to build abiword/gnumeric | 10:52 |
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| \sh | who is able to sync, when elmo is not around? | 10:53 |
| Kamion | seb128: done | 10:53 |
| seb128 | Kamion: thanks | 10:54 |
| Kamion | \sh: mdz or I technically, but the state of the sync directory is currently weirding me out, so I'm refusing for the moment | 10:54 |
| seb128 | elmo should be back today no? | 10:54 |
| Kamion | oh, hang on, the sync directory is saner now | 10:54 |
| Kamion | seb128: I should think so | 10:54 |
| Kamion | go ahead with any urgent syncs, I think I can manage them | 10:54 |
| \sh | ok...so i'm waiting for elmo... | 10:54 |
| slomo_ | Kamion: while you're at it... can you give-back gtksourceview-sharp, gtksourceview-sharp2 and seahorse if it's not too much of a problem? ;) | 10:54 |
| seb128 | Kamion: I've some sync but that can wait for elmo, I'll ping you later if he's still not around | 10:55 |
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| Kamion | slomo_: done | 10:56 |
| slomo_ | Kamion: thanks :) | 10:56 |
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| \sh | seb128: btw...I updated to dapper yesterday evening...and now xchat doesn't show small tabs anymore..but it's enabled...is it more a font issue (bitstream sans mono) or can it be an xchat problem? | 10:57 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I guess looking at the merge bugs in the "PENDINGUPLOAD" state would be a good list for stuff to sync. | 10:57 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I'm not going to go out proactively looking for them, for the moment | 10:57 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: but then, no idea what's urgent about it, so I guess we can just wait for elmo | 10:57 |
| Mithrandir | s/it/them/ | 10:57 |
| Kamion | feel free to ping me with urgent ones, but otherwise I have other things to do. :) | 10:58 |
| Mithrandir | and .. which of them ... | 10:58 |
| Mithrandir | yup, I know. :-) | 10:58 |
| seb128 | \sh: hum, why a font issue? I would say that's an xchat issue. Feel free to ping dholbach when he's around, he has worked on this update | 10:58 |
| \sh | seb128: because I found a font issue in gnome-terminal...the font is not displayed as it was in breezy that's why I'm asking | 10:59 |
| sivang | is bugzillla dead? :) | 10:59 |
| mvo | sivang: not quite, but very slowish | 11:00 |
| sivang | mvo: ok, thanks | 11:00 |
| chmj | I can't access is either | 11:00 |
| chmj | s/is/if/ | 11:00 |
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| \sh | dholbach: good morning.. | 11:05 |
| dholbach | hellas! :) | 11:05 |
| dholbach | hi \sh | 11:05 |
| \sh | dholbach: I'll paste u my former statement to seb128 ... | 11:06 |
| \sh | dholbach: \sh seb128: btw...I updated to dapper yesterday evening...and now xchat doesn't show small tabs anymore..but it's enabled...is it more a font issue (bitstream sans mono) or can it be an xchat problem? | 11:06 |
| Nafallo | \sh: I can reproduce :-P | 11:06 |
| dholbach | \sh: no idea, will investigate | 11:06 |
| Nafallo | fwiw | 11:07 |
| \sh | Nafallo: ah good to know :) | 11:07 |
| sivang | hmm p.u.c also doesn't respond. nice | 11:07 |
| \sh | dholbach: thx :) | 11:07 |
| \sh | dholbach: and gnome-terminal looks as well strange with this font issue | 11:07 |
| dholbach | \sh: i think it's rather freetype | 11:08 |
| \sh | dholbach: gnarf... | 11:08 |
| doko | chmj: pong | 11:10 |
| chmj | doko: hi, about the java packaging, where do I get info on that | 11:11 |
| doko | should be in the wiki, JavaRoadmap | 11:12 |
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| [-Jarod-] | hi everybody ! | 11:17 |
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| [-Jarod-] | i'm a 3rd year student in a french engineering school and I currently manage an open source project aiming to control dynamic lights for show | 11:18 |
| [-Jarod-] | i work with c / c++ / glade | 11:18 |
| [-Jarod-] | but I'm a complete beginner in c | 11:18 |
| [-Jarod-] | i've installed gcc / g++ with apt | 11:18 |
| Nafallo | [-Jarod-] : you are better of by installing build-essential | 11:19 |
| Mithrandir | [-Jarod-] : this channel is for developing ubuntu, not for developing applications. and what Nafallo says. | 11:19 |
| [-Jarod-] | and a piece of open source code found on the net call a .h called "vlc.h" and i cannot found it | 11:19 |
| [-Jarod-] | i know Mithrandir i know | 11:19 |
| Mithrandir | [-Jarod-] : it's a user question; #ubuntu, but I think you're just missing libvlc0-dev | 11:19 |
| Mithrandir | apt-cache search vlc dev shows you relevant info | 11:20 |
| [-Jarod-] | thank you | 11:20 |
| [-Jarod-] | that's all i need | 11:20 |
| [-Jarod-] | sorry for disturbing you | 11:20 |
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| Kamion | could somebody look at preparing main inclusion reports for gdome2 and gmetadom? they're (build-)dependencies of gtkmathview, which was recently added to the archive for (iirc) abiword | 11:30 |
| dholbach | Kamion: i can do that | 11:31 |
| Kamion | thanks | 11:32 |
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| infinity | Kamion : Thanks for driving wanna-build for sb. I'm in and out, alternately mucking with initramfs (yay, rebooting and no IRC), and trying to get over the cold/flu I seem to have developped from travelling. | 11:43 |
| infinity | s/sb/seb/ | 11:43 |
| Kamion | np | 11:43 |
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| pitti | Hi infinity | 11:49 |
| pitti | infinity: seems that everybody's health suffered from UBZ at some point :/ | 11:50 |
| infinity | pitti : I was fine during the conference, it was the flight home that seems to have killed me. | 11:50 |
| infinity | pitti : Or maybe it was the climate change when I got here. I dunno. | 11:50 |
| sivang | pitti: yes, I think the germs has also had a mini conf over UBZ.... | 11:59 |
| sivang | infinity: take vitamine C pills, they really help | 11:59 |
| sivang | infinity: that's how I got over my flu | 11:59 |
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| Kinnison | desrt: I was, unsurprisingly, asleep at 03:49 | 12:17 |
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| zyga_mini | carlos: ping | 12:36 |
| carlos | zyga_mini, pong | 12:37 |
| zyga_mini | carlos: is there any progress with adding support for multiple templates per package (rosetta) | 12:38 |
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| carlos | zyga_mini, we already support multiple templates per package since long ago | 12:39 |
| neuralis | zijev | 12:39 |
| carlos | zyga_mini, what do you want/need? | 12:39 |
| zyga_mini | carlos: we do? | 12:41 |
| zyga_mini | carlos: since when!? | 12:41 |
| carlos | zyga, since the first days | 12:42 |
| carlos | zyga, take a look to gtk+ | 12:42 |
| zyga_mini | checking | 12:42 |
| zyga_mini | this is great news :) | 12:43 |
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| zyga_mini | carlos: care to show a url? | 12:44 |
| zyga_mini | carlos: I see that there are two versions 1.2 and 2.0 | 12:44 |
| zyga_mini | but I don't see multiple templates | 12:44 |
| carlos | zyga, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/gtk+2.0/+translations | 12:45 |
| zyga_mini | hmm | 12:46 |
| zyga_mini | thanks I'll look into this | 12:46 |
| zyga_mini | carlos: and any (non distro) product can have multiple templates? | 12:47 |
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| carlos | zyga, yes, it's the same | 12:47 |
| zyga_mini | thanks, sorry to bother you with inexistent problems :-) | 12:47 |
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| Kamion | isolinux is giving me a headache. for some reason I can't get current dapper i386 CDs to boot, even though I undid all the isolinux fiddling I experimentally tried | 12:54 |
| dholbach | Kamion: did those inclusion reports... gmetadom wanted to have findlib as build-dep too, so 3 reports :) | 12:55 |
| dholbach | gtkmathview fun! :) | 12:55 |
| Kamion | dholbach: pitti will need to approve them | 12:55 |
| dholbach | Kamion: sure | 12:55 |
| Kamion | hm, but these images boot fine in qemu. WTF | 12:55 |
| pitti | yes, I'll process the queue again today | 12:55 |
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| pitti | BenC: *sigh* when can we test the 2.6.15 crack? :) | 12:57 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: hahaha :) | 12:57 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: would be a nice name for a tool which removed crack, but not much else, really. | 12:58 |
| Kamion | pitti: well, it failed to build ... | 12:59 |
| pitti | right, that's what I meant | 12:59 |
| pitti | (just tickling) | 12:59 |
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| pitti | ajmitch_: just uploaded a merged cron with SELinux support :) | 01:02 |
| Kamion | damnit, I've just wasted four hours on what turned out to be something like a dirty DVD drive :( | 01:07 |
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| pitti | hardware just sucks. | 01:09 |
| pitti | Hey jbailey | 01:09 |
| Mithrandir | emulate it all in software | 01:09 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: in the matrix? | 01:09 |
| jbailey | Heya Martin, Tollef & everyone else. | 01:09 |
| Mithrandir | hiya Jeff | 01:09 |
| fabbione | hey jbailey | 01:12 |
| jbailey | Heya Fabio | 01:13 |
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| Kamion | chmj: why did you merge aalib rather than requesting a sync? the version in Ubuntu was identical to the base version in Debian | 01:23 |
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| Kamion | (and I noted that in the changelog for the benefit of whoever next looked at it) | 01:23 |
| chmj | Kamion: didn't notice that | 01:24 |
| Kamion | chmj: please be more careful; now we have to wait for the next Debian upload before we can come back into sync | 01:25 |
| Kamion | which is annoying because the Debian maintainer of aalib is one who occasionally goes through Ubuntu changes and remarks on them publicly in his blog | 01:25 |
| chmj | Kamion: ok | 01:26 |
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| seb128 | hey Keybuk | 01:43 |
| fabbione | bella Scott | 01:43 |
| Keybuk | heyhey | 01:43 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I don't think I've told you before, but mom's a godsend. | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | heh, did it get a merge right? | 01:45 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: do you know what modprobe does to take such a long time on boot? http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/dapper-20051112-1.png | 01:46 |
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| pitti | Hi Keybuk | 01:46 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: or that's usplash? | 01:46 |
| Keybuk | not sure, it could be the modprobe of everything on the PCI bus | 01:47 |
| Keybuk | or it could be the modprobe of framebuffer things | 01:47 |
| Keybuk | I'd guess from its location that it's the former | 01:47 |
| mjg59 | Framebuffer modprobing doesn't take anywhere near that long | 01:47 |
| mjg59 | That'll be stuff being loaded in the initramfs. No idea why it's taking so long, though | 01:47 |
| Kamion | interesting ski-slope up at the top there | 01:47 |
| Lathiat | yeh i was thinking that | 01:48 |
| mjg59 | seb128: Is your usplash exiting before init starts? | 01:48 |
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| Keybuk | Kamion: isn't it ... I have one of those later in the boot sequence | 01:48 |
| pitti | seb128: you could try booting in single mode, then you will see a detailed output | 01:48 |
| Lathiat | hrm my modprobe is pretty quick there | 01:48 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: does udev use 'modprobe --quiet' anywhere (as opposed to 'modprobe -q')? if so, it'll need the same change that I made to hotplug yesterday | 01:48 |
| Lathiat | liek 2-3 s | 01:48 |
| Kamion | (I know hotplug is dying, but I want to make d-i work) | 01:49 |
| seb128 | mjg59: yep | 01:49 |
| mjg59 | I wonder if the ski-slope thing is an artifact of the logger | 01:49 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: udev doesn't use modprobe yet, though it'll have to I guess; what change did you have to make? | 01:49 |
| seb128 | mjg59: I thought it was going to timeout or something | 01:49 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: s/--quiet/-q/g | 01:49 |
| Kamion | er - what loads modules in the NWO then? | 01:49 |
| Keybuk | heh, it should've been -Q | 01:49 |
| mjg59 | seb128: It times out after 15 seconds of not getting any messages. And it's not getting any messages from that modprobe | 01:49 |
| Keybuk | "NWO" ? | 01:49 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: it usually makes my work a lot less painful. Does it now save the Debian versions, so we won't be affected if snapshot.d.n dies again? | 01:49 |
| Kamion | new world order | 01:49 |
| Keybuk | udev will do | 01:50 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: busybox modprobe doesn't support -Q | 01:50 |
| Kamion | what does -Q do? it's not documented in modprobe(8) here | 01:50 |
| chmj | elmo: procps sync please, ubuntu override ok | 01:50 |
| mjg59 | On the bright side, once init starts we seem to be in pretty constant io blockage | 01:50 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: it's one our patches to module-init-tools to make it silent | 01:50 |
| Kamion | I'm also not convinced that busybox modprobe does aliases usefully, so I might have to switch back to module-init-tools for the moment | 01:51 |
| Kamion | (sigh) | 01:51 |
| Keybuk | yeah I strongly suspect busybox modprobe won't cut it | 01:51 |
| Keybuk | it'll need both alias and blacklist support | 01:51 |
| Kamion | it does seem to have some alias support, by grep | 01:52 |
| Kamion | not blacklist though unless it won't match grep -i blacklist | 01:53 |
| Keybuk | "by grep" ?! :) | 01:53 |
| Kamion | as in, 'grep -i alias' in the source suggests it has some alias support | 01:53 |
| Keybuk | so it wouldn't handle an alias like "pci:d*s*..." then?? | 01:54 |
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| Keybuk | oops, bit of baz-finger on the ? there | 01:54 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: no, it doesn't use grep internally | 01:54 |
| Kamion | I meant *I* was using grep | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | ohh | 01:54 |
| Kamion | rather than actually reading and understanding the source | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | heh | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | does it look like it supports the blacklist keyword? | 01:55 |
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| Treenaks | ogra: which wheel? | 01:55 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: no | 01:55 |
| seb128 | chmj: you could have asked a sync for aalib | 01:55 |
| Kamion | seb128: I mentioned that to him above | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: example: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist | 01:55 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: anything I can try to reduce the modprobe blocker so? | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | seb128: find out what it's doing :) | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | make it log with timings to a file in /dev | 01:56 |
| seb128 | Kamion: k. I've asked a sync 3 days ago but since no elmo around ... :) | 01:56 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: the word "blacklist" doesn't appear anywhere in the source. Anything else I should be looking for? | 01:56 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: is there an easy way to do get this log? | 01:56 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: a square one, probably. | 01:56 |
| ogra | Treenaks, if you want to see the xscreensaver hacks in gnome screensaver you have to create a .desktop file for the config and description ... it should just use the available xml file for that ... its ahell lot of work to adapt all the configs | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | seb128: edit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions and make it log :) | 01:56 |
| Treenaks | ogra: ouch | 01:56 |
| ogra | yup | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: the word would be sufficient as it's a config keyword | 01:56 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: thanks | 01:57 |
| ogra | and there is no visible advantag in this scheme anywhere... i dont knwo what they think they'll gain with this .. | 01:57 |
| Keybuk | ogra: probably an fd.o "how to register a screensaver" spec | 01:58 |
| ogra | Keybuk, but you still need additional configs, it only holds name, description (which is not shown anywhere in the gui) and the command to run... | 01:59 |
| Treenaks | ogra: not the different options etc.? | 01:59 |
| ogra | nope | 01:59 |
| Treenaks | *headdesk* | 01:59 |
| ogra | heh | 01:59 |
| Keybuk | I read that gss aren't planning to have options-per-hack | 01:59 |
| Keybuk | but instead if you want different options, you make a new description file for it | 01:59 |
| seb128 | nop, that's a point of the FAQ | 02:00 |
| ogra | anyway, i'm done with converting the ubuntu default set for now | 02:00 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: urgh... | 02:00 |
| mvo | ogra: did you send him a mail asking about it? | 02:00 |
| ogra | mvo, i will ... for now i just wanted to have the hacks working, so we have screensavers to get bugs for | 02:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: 20050713/totem_1.1.2-0ubuntu6_translations.tar.gz ... what the heck? | 02:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: current archive version is 0ubuntu3, how can the translation be 0ubuntu6? | 02:02 |
| pitti | totem | 1.2.0-0ubuntu3 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages | 02:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: ups, 1.1.2 is not 2.0 | 02:03 |
| pitti | seb128: 1.1.2 is ages old | 02:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, but that's the data rosetta has | 02:03 |
| seb128 | carlos: continue here with pitti :p | 02:03 |
| pitti | well, then this is carlos' problem :) | 02:04 |
| seb128 | I got a bug saying that 5.10 has no translation for "Sidebar" | 02:04 |
| seb128 | and the 1.2.0 tarball has it | 02:04 |
| seb128 | rosetta mention 1.1.2-0ubuntu6 | 02:04 |
| carlos | pitti, people's tarball say that latest is the ubuntu6 | 02:04 |
| carlos | s/people's/people.ubuntu.com/ | 02:04 |
| pitti | ./20050922/totem_1.2.0-0ubuntu3_i386_translations.tar.gz | 02:05 |
| pitti | ./20050912/totem_1.2.0-0ubuntu2_i386_translations.tar.gz | 02:05 |
| pitti | ./20050906/totem_1.2.0-0ubuntu1_i386_translations.tar.gz | 02:05 |
| pitti | ... | 02:05 |
| carlos | seb128, wait.... | 02:05 |
| carlos | seb128, is it 1.1.2 vs 1.2? | 02:05 |
| carlos | then it's my fault | 02:05 |
| carlos | I got confused | 02:05 |
| seb128 | carlos: yep | 02:05 |
| seb128 | carlos: page says 1.1.2 but current is 1.2.0 | 02:06 |
| carlos | seb128, please file a bug and I will look into it this week | 02:06 |
| seb128 | k, thanks | 02:06 |
| seb128 | carlos: another point, rosetta refuse to send me mails, is that a known issue? I've asked for a po some hours ago and no mail, my email works fine | 02:07 |
| BenC | pitti: re: 2.6.15, for some reason there was a build failure for 2.6.15-1.1, and the build log doesn't even explain why, just something about zddevlist.h generation | 02:07 |
| BenC | pitti: looking into it now | 02:07 |
| pitti | thanks | 02:07 |
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| carlos | seb128, I got an email for a download request an hour ago or so.... | 02:08 |
| BenC | it built fine in the breezy chroot, so I'm wondering if it's dapper related | 02:08 |
| carlos | seb128, so no, it's not a know bug | 02:08 |
| carlos | seb128, would be possible a problem with spamassassin? | 02:08 |
| seb128 | carlos: should I ping some launchpad guy about this? | 02:08 |
| seb128 | carlos: I doubt so, let me look | 02:09 |
| fabbione | BenC: be careful that the buildd go for make -jN | 02:09 |
| fabbione | BenC: so perhaps the error is way before the end | 02:09 |
| BenC | fabbione: no, it's zddevlist.h, make shows error for that target | 02:09 |
| BenC | for i386 and amd64 builds | 02:09 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 02:09 |
| carlos | seb128, anyway, ask stub, I'm not able to debug that | 02:09 |
| fabbione | BenC: well if you plan an upload, it would be wise to pre-upload k-p with your ppc patches and bump the build-deps | 02:10 |
| seb128 | carlos: hum, sorry, it got redirected to an another of my mailbox | 02:10 |
| BenC | is awk something I can expect by default? | 02:10 |
| fabbione | BenC: at least we can get ppc to | 02:10 |
| seb128 | carlos: I'll just fill the totem outdated bug for today so | 02:10 |
| BenC | yeah, I can do that | 02:10 |
| seb128 | carlos: thanks :) | 02:10 |
| fabbione | BenC: iirc mawk is installed, but not gawk | 02:10 |
| BenC | maybe it doesn't like mawk | 02:10 |
| carlos | seb128, ;-) | 02:10 |
| siretart | BenC: will the next linux-restricted-modules upload include the 'new' madwifi driver? is anyone already working on that (I want to avoid work duplication) | 02:11 |
| BenC | I can't touch l-r-m | 02:11 |
| fabbione | siretart: -> infinity | 02:11 |
| siretart | oh. thanks for pointer | 02:12 |
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| seb128 | carlos: #4486 | 02:12 |
| siretart | infinity: will the next linux-restricted-modules upload include the 'new' madwifi driver? is anyone already working on that (I want to avoid work duplication) | 02:12 |
| siretart | ;) | 02:12 |
| carlos | seb128, thanks | 02:12 |
| BenC | yep, it's mawk | 02:14 |
| mjg59 | There's a close to working open atheros driver | 02:14 |
| BenC | doesn't like the awk script that generates zddevlist.h for zd1211 driver | 02:14 |
| mjg59 | The zd1211 driver is on so much crack | 02:14 |
| fabbione | annoying | 02:14 |
| BenC | I've cleaned it up a bit to get it compiled | 02:14 |
| siretart | mjg59: could you give me pointers to this 'close to working open driver'? is it based on madwifi? | 02:15 |
| mjg59 | Oh, do we actually ship the zd1211 firmware? | 02:15 |
| mjg59 | siretart: Yes | 02:15 |
| pitti | Keybuk: do you want to merge hdparm yourself to take the new udev changes into account? | 02:15 |
| fabbione | BenC: is there any reason why we need to generate that include at build time? | 02:15 |
| pitti | Keybuk: otherwise I assign it to me and wait for the new udev | 02:15 |
| mjg59 | http://mateusz.agrest.org/atheros/ | 02:15 |
| siretart | so it's rather an open hal for madwifi | 02:15 |
| mjg59 | siretart: Yeah | 02:15 |
| Keybuk | pitti: yeah, I'll do that one | 02:15 |
| pitti | Keybuk: k, I assign it to you then, thansk | 02:15 |
| siretart | mjg59: my concern/problem with madwifi atm is that the driver in breezy does not support background scanning, which I find very painful. | 02:16 |
| siretart | mjg59: the 'new' madwifi codebase is supposed to support that | 02:16 |
| mjg59 | Right | 02:16 |
| siretart | thats why I'm asking | 02:16 |
| BenC | fabbione: does hppa have gcc-4.0? | 02:16 |
| mjg59 | http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/ath-driver-devel/2005-November/000053.html is kind of promising | 02:17 |
| BenC | mjg59: I think we do ship the firmware | 02:17 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: could you make MOM put something in the signature line which would cause dpkg-buildpackage to fail to build? I'm annoyed at myself for uploading as you so often. :-) | 02:17 |
| siretart | mjg59: so whats the mid-term plan concerning madwifi in dapper? | 02:17 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: yeah, I've considered not including a valid tail line to the changelog | 02:18 |
| Keybuk | the trouble there is that both dch and emacs consider different things invalid | 02:18 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: don't put in a tail at all? Or does that cause one of them to fall over? | 02:18 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: make it not syntactically valid so dpkg barfs on it when running dpkg-genchanges? | 02:19 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes, but i am not 100% sure it can build the kernel | 02:19 |
| Keybuk | makes them both fall over | 02:19 |
| Keybuk | dch seems to fall over in all situations that dpkg itself falls over | 02:19 |
| Keybuk | which strikes me as somewhat silly | 02:19 |
| BenC | fabbione: no reason to do it at build time other than consistency... I don't want someone doing an update to zddevlist and not getting an updated zddevlist.h (ran into this with ndiswrapper and it's generated files when we did zmd64) | 02:19 |
| BenC | *amd64 | 02:19 |
| mjg59 | Ah! | 02:19 |
| mjg59 | siretart: http://www.ath-driver.org/ | 02:19 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok.. | 02:20 |
| BenC | fabbione: ok, I'll leave the build dep there, but it isn't enforced at the moment (no hppa patches in the tree yet) | 02:20 |
| Treenaks | no background scanning? that explains corey's problems with network manager at UBZ :) | 02:20 |
| Keybuk | yeah, network manager flat out doesn't work with atheros cards | 02:21 |
| Keybuk | though I've never had a problem getting my atheros to scan, in the background or foreground | 02:22 |
| fabbione | BenC: hppa is FTBFS anyway because of the missing configs | 02:22 |
| Keybuk | it seems to continually scan anyway | 02:22 |
| fabbione | BenC: so i wouldn't worry too much about it | 02:22 |
| fabbione | BenC: i had rather get sparc up and running and show the world that sparc > hppa :P | 02:22 |
| siretart | mjg59: I'm a bit confused about that ath-driver.org. They seem to reimplement the complete madwifi driver | 02:22 |
| BenC | Kamion: ping | 02:22 |
| siretart | having a glance at the files in their tarball | 02:22 |
| Keybuk | siretart: yeah, it is | 02:22 |
| Kamion | BenC: hi | 02:22 |
| Keybuk | siretart: ie. they implement both the open source and closed source bits of the madwifi driver | 02:23 |
| Keybuk | but both as open source | 02:23 |
| BenC | Kamion: will you be around in about 1-2 hours to process a NEW for linux-source-2.6.15? | 02:23 |
| siretart | Keybuk: why that? madwifi is gpl. why not forking madwifi?! | 02:23 |
| Kamion | BenC: should be, yes | 02:23 |
| BenC | Kamion: cool, thanks | 02:23 |
| Keybuk | siretart: mafwifi isn't gpl | 02:23 |
| Keybuk | 90% of madwifi is closed source | 02:23 |
| BenC | then I'll be /away till it's done | 02:24 |
| siretart | Keybuk: only a quite small hal module is closed, most of the driver is gpl, afair | 02:24 |
| Keybuk | siretart: the other way around, all the interesting driver stuff is in the closed HAL | 02:24 |
| Keybuk | the driver is mostly just talking to the HAL | 02:24 |
| siretart | hm. i see | 02:25 |
| siretart | then i'll help testing ath-driver | 02:25 |
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| Keybuk | I played with ath-driver a bit, and it worked ok | 02:25 |
| BenC | fabbione: BTW, I have 54g antennas ready so I can run network out to the second building where I live...so hopefully the e3k will be up this weekend | 02:26 |
| Keybuk | didn't seem to support as many modes as madwifi though, so I bookmarked it with "look at again later" | 02:26 |
| fabbione | BenC: ah cool | 02:26 |
| siretart | Keybuk: do they support background scanning? *g* | 02:26 |
| fabbione | BenC: my sparc is catching up on dapper backlog | 02:26 |
| Keybuk | siretart: I've no idea what "background scanning" is | 02:26 |
| fabbione | BenC: and the queue is still deep | 02:26 |
| BenC | hopefully I can help knock it out | 02:26 |
| siretart | Keybuk: with madwifi, everytime you do a 'iwlist ath0 scan', your connection to the AP dies | 02:27 |
| Keybuk | madwifi supports sending a scan request, and picking up the results later | 02:27 |
| Keybuk | no it doesn't | 02:27 |
| siretart | okay. then it supports :) | 02:27 |
| fabbione | BenC: yeah but i am not sure it's worth to put online another buildd... specially if we are going to switch to LP. We won't be able to run buildd and upload for a while | 02:27 |
| Keybuk | that's a bug in network-manager | 02:28 |
| Keybuk | it deliberately drops off the AP before scanning | 02:28 |
| Keybuk | or, if you prefer, it's a bug in the wireless API for not having a consistent method of asking cards to scan :) | 02:28 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: yay kernel :) | 02:29 |
| mjg59 | siretart: My guess would be that some of the code has been altered to deal with their hal setup | 02:29 |
| Keybuk | I've yet to investigate what network-manager is doing wrong | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | but I know it is doing something wrong, because I wrote an equivalent some time ago which works fine on my card (shockingly :p) | 02:30 |
| siretart | Keybuk: I'm experiencing the problem not only in network-manager, but also with wpa-supplicant | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | one of the supplicants doesn't work for me either | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | I thought it was xsupplicant that didn't work, and wpa_supplicant that worked fine | 02:31 |
| siretart | Keybuk: as well when I do manually a 'iwlist ath0 scan'. This lack of 'background scanning' was admitted on madwifi-users mailing list by one of the developers | 02:31 |
| siretart | have to look up the name | 02:31 |
| siretart | wpa_supplicant works fine | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | siretart: do you see it drop off the AP with iwevent? | 02:31 |
| siretart | but every few minutes, I loose connection for about 30seks | 02:31 |
| siretart | Keybuk: I do | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | interesting | 02:32 |
| siretart | as after a few seks, a reassociating event | 02:32 |
| siretart | s/as/and | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | ahh, and you do it as root? | 02:32 |
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| Keybuk | right | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | sorry, I understand now | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | yes, the atheros does leap off the AP when you do that | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | the trick is _not_ to do that, but just tell the card to continually scan | 02:32 |
| siretart | and the madwifi developers call this 'background scanning' | 02:33 |
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| siretart | extremly annoying, imo | 02:33 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 02:33 |
| Keybuk | I remember now, I came across that when doing wifid | 02:33 |
| Keybuk | it's because an explicit scan on the atheros is implemented as a "change your network" call | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | which means it also drops your essid and key preferences | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | whereas the card itself continually updates its internal list of nearby APs | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | which it uses for best-strength preferences | 02:35 |
| siretart | lets see if ath-driver.org does a better job | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | It may not actually work yet | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | And its card coverage isn't as good as madwifi | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | But we should look into it - it's obviously more maintainable | 02:37 |
| mjg59 | Obvious first step (when it works) is to use it for cards it supports, and fall back to madwifi for the others | 02:37 |
| siretart | mjg59: how do you want to package it? in an extra kernel-module package or integrate that into linux-source? | 02:37 |
| mjg59 | siretart: Possibly keep it external for now - once it actually usefully works, merge it into linux-source | 02:38 |
| siretart | agree | 02:38 |
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| Keybuk | does anyone know, off-hand, of a format of changelog entry that dpkg will reject but dch won't? | 02:53 |
| Keybuk | dch seems to refuse to edit badly formatted changelog entries, even if the kind of edit would fix it | 02:53 |
| pitti | chmj: gmp is FTBFS, FYI | 02:56 |
| fabbione | who has a breezy ppc chroot (other than davis) that could kindly use to build something for me? | 02:56 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: add -MERGE to the package name? | 02:58 |
| pitti | darn, I upgraded my laptop to dapper two weeks ago | 02:58 |
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| fabbione | pitti: can you build a chroot there? | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: dpkg doesn't reject that | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | it'll just warn and upload anyway | 02:59 |
| pitti | fabbione: do you want me to build a kernel on this poor iBook? | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | you'll hit NEW, of course, so you'd have to hope elmo had his coffee that morning | 02:59 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - kbd-chooser and kbd-chooser-MERGE | 02:59 |
| fabbione | pitti: no.. i have the kernel.. i need to build d-i | 02:59 |
| fabbione | pitti: with the custom kernel on davis | 03:00 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: oh, hmm | 03:00 |
| fabbione | pitti: problem is there are no d-i B-D on davis and nobody to install them | 03:00 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: it's not pretty, but I can't make it fall over in any other case. | 03:00 |
| pitti | fabbione: Znarl can't? | 03:00 |
| fabbione | pitti: he is not around | 03:00 |
| pitti | oh | 03:00 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: or just make the distribution "merge" or something. | 03:00 |
| Keybuk | so far it's just been easier for me to get the accepteds, and send them to elmo for revoking of upload privileges when Tollef reaches 10 | 03:00 |
| Keybuk | uh, was that my out-loud voice? | 03:00 |
| Keybuk | :) | 03:01 |
| pitti | fabbione: it'll take a substantial amount of time, but I can do it if necessary | 03:01 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: haha :-) | 03:01 |
| fabbione | pitti: nah.. ok.. i will wait i guess :/ | 03:01 |
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| Keybuk | anyway, that's a good idea | 03:02 |
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| Keybuk | BenC: btw, are you compiling our shiny new kernels with CONFIG_KOBJECT_UEVENT turned on? | 03:04 |
| Keybuk | it's apparently disabled on alpha in Debian by accident | 03:04 |
| Kamion | 'tar xzOf linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-1.1.tar.gz `tar tzf linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-1.1.tar.gz | grep '/config/.*/.'` | grep CONFIG_KOBJECT_UEVENT' says yes | 03:06 |
| Keybuk | where did you get that from? :) | 03:07 |
| Kamion | get what from? | 03:07 |
| BenC | Keybuk: let me check | 03:07 |
| BenC | Keybuk: yep | 03:07 |
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| uenyioha | hi guys | 03:08 |
| Keybuk | oh, BenC uploaded it already | 03:08 |
| uenyioha | please is it possible to get the source code for the NPTL | 03:08 |
| uenyioha | ? | 03:08 |
| Keybuk | my brain is stuck firmly in flappy-paddle gear today | 03:08 |
| BenC | yeah, mawk caused it to fail | 03:08 |
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| Kamion | uenyioha: it's in the glibc source package | 03:08 |
| uenyioha | say Kamion: it isn't called linuxthreads by any chance? | 03:09 |
| uenyioha | Kamion: it isn't called linuxthreads by any chance? | 03:09 |
| Kamion | uenyioha: linuxthreads is a different (earlier) threading implementation | 03:09 |
| uenyioha | Kamion: right | 03:10 |
| Kamion | uenyioha: 'apt-get source glibc', 'cd glibc-2.3.5', 'debian/rules unpack' and look in build-tree/glibc-2.3.5/nptl/ | 03:10 |
| uenyioha | Kamion: thanks....i got the 2.3.6 tarball | 03:12 |
| Kamion | if you're looking at the upstream tarball then just look in nptl/ | 03:12 |
| jbailey | Is nl.archive.ubuntu.com known to be broken in the same way that us.archive.ubuntu.com and ca.archive.ubuntu.com are? | 03:13 |
| Treenaks | jbailey: Haven't heard complaints yet, but in what way would that be? | 03:14 |
| jbailey | gpg error from apt-get update on the breezy repo. | 03:14 |
| Treenaks | no problem for me (nl.archive) | 03:14 |
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| Kamion | nl.archive == archive | 03:15 |
| mvo | jbailey: gpg errors on the archive again? hrm :/ | 03:16 |
| jbailey | Treenaks, Kamion: Thanks. | 03:16 |
| pitti | chmj: ping | 03:19 |
| mvo | jbailey: if you get these errors, can you please comment all sources out (all but offending one) and run "apt-get update -o Debug::Acquire::http=true" and put the result into a paste.ubuntulinux.nl? | 03:19 |
| pitti | mvo: is #19232 (gksuui merge) obsolete now? | 03:25 |
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| mvo | pitti: yes, is merged already | 03:26 |
| pitti | mvo: so it can be closed? | 03:26 |
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| mvo | pitti: yes, will do that now | 03:27 |
| mvo | pitti: and check my other merges too | 03:27 |
| pitti | thanks | 03:27 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: hmm, any idea why the kbd-chooser changes aren't merged upstream? | 03:32 |
| dholbach | i'm out for a walk... bbl | 03:41 |
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| chmj | pitti: pong | 03:43 |
| pitti | chmj: can you please fix this gmp FTBFS? | 03:44 |
| chmj | pitti: yes | 03:44 |
| mjg59 | Can we enable DHCP's dynamic DNS support by default? | 03:51 |
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| pitti | mjg59: you mean the 'send-hostname' option? | 03:52 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 03:52 |
| pitti | this was a great thing at ubz | 03:52 |
| mjg59 | It's irritating having to manually configure it on every machine | 03:52 |
| pitti | mjg59: I just set it manually, can it be told to use the `hostname -f` output? | 03:53 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: most of them are specific to the keymapper thing smurf did and somewhat useless without it; I'm also not very convinced that their cdebconf handling is at all correct. fjp did some hacking recently which might let the translation handling be done better | 03:54 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: hmm, ok. I thought the keymapper thing was put in upstream as well? | 03:54 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: not yet, no. I strongly think it should be turned into a cdebconf plugin before it goes upstream - at the moment it's a hack in cdebconf core | 03:55 |
| Kamion | but we have to fix that for ubuntu-express anyway | 03:55 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: point. Anyway, It merged without any problems in kbd-chooser so I'll just upload that. | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Hm. It should just be registering the short name, not the FQDN | 03:56 |
| pitti | mjg59: ok, makes sense | 03:57 |
| mjg59 | At least, that's what Windows does | 03:57 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: we really need to sort out cdebconf to let people do out-of-tree plugin builds soon | 03:57 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I can do that tomorrow instead of doing merges, I guess. | 03:58 |
| ogra | mjg59, how does that behave if all machines in the network send the same name ? | 03:58 |
| ogra | mjg59, ltsp thin clients are all called ltsp | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Then you don't configure your DNS server to accept the updates | 03:59 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I'll love you forever, or at least buy you lots of beer at the distro sprint | 03:59 |
| ogra | mjg59, what about dhclient ... doesnt it slow it down or something if it is blocked ? | 04:00 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: :-) | 04:00 |
| siretart | what about switching to dhcpcd by default? | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | ogra: No - the hostname is sent in the request packet | 04:00 |
| ogra | ah, fine then :) | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | It's dhcpd that passes on the update | 04:00 |
| ogra | siretart, ? | 04:01 |
| ogra | (oh missed the c :) nevermind) | 04:01 |
| siretart | :) | 04:01 |
| siretart | mjg59: perhaps we can make the dhclient postinst script to provide a suitable 'send-hostname' line in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf | 04:03 |
| mjg59 | siretart: Or we could add functionality to dhclient... | 04:04 |
| siretart | mjg59: what functionality exactly? to send-hostname the hostname by default if not disabled in the config file? or another commandline switch? | 04:05 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: AFAICS we can sync krb4, but could you please have a second look onto the patch? | 04:07 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: will do | 04:07 |
| mjg59 | siretart: One of those two, yeah | 04:08 |
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| siretart | mjg59: I'd prefer the former, but since this is rather intrusive, I'd go for changing the postinst script due to lazyness | 04:09 |
| siretart | hi neuralis! | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | siretart: But that fucks up if anyone changes the hostname | 04:09 |
| neuralis | siretart, hey! | 04:10 |
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| siretart | mjg59: thats right. hmm | 04:11 |
| pitti | Kamion: if you have the time, could you please NEW openssl, so that we can upload packages against 0.9.8? | 04:15 |
| Kamion | pitti: done | 04:18 |
| pitti | merci | 04:18 |
| Kamion | don't we need openssl097 now? | 04:18 |
| pitti | infinity wanted to rebuild everything against 0.9.9 | 04:19 |
| pitti | s/9$/8/ | 04:19 |
| Kamion | but in the meantime ... | 04:19 |
| pitti | Kamion: hm, but since our openssl now uses 0.9.8, why do we need it? | 04:19 |
| Kamion | because otherwise libssl0.9.7 will be removed RSN and lots of stuff will break? | 04:20 |
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| pitti | oh, I thought debs remain in the archive until nothing depends onthem any more; I saw that for other libs | 04:21 |
| Kamion | only if ftpmaster (a) uses the melanie flag to let them notice, (b) is feeling nice | 04:21 |
| Kamion | no, that behaviour is what testing is for, and we don't use that | 04:22 |
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| pitti | Kamion: ok; that means we need to sync openssl097 from debian for a while and remove it later? | 04:22 |
| Kamion | that was my thought | 04:25 |
| Kamion | I dunno, elmo might disagree, I just don't see the need to break things more than we have to | 04:25 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: seems to build for me at least, so let's try syncing it. | 04:27 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: k, thanks | 04:28 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I updated the bug | 04:29 |
| pitti | I want to collect a few more syncs until I bother Colin again :) | 04:29 |
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| seb128 | Kamion: could you sync "pyorbit pxlib easytag (why is this one needed, that's -build2 version?) gazpacho goffice libgtkhtml2 (experimental) gnome-keyring (experimental)" please? | 04:33 |
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| janimo | smurf ping | 04:34 |
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| pitti | Kamion: if you are at it, could you also sync br.ispell iproute krb4 shorewall unixodbc ? | 04:35 |
| janimo | libgnutls does not seem to install it's .pc file, is that intentional? | 04:35 |
| janimo | config scripts looking for it using pkg_config don;t detect it | 04:36 |
| Kamion | seb128: nothing to sync for easytag, it's already 1.99.9-1 in both sid and dapper | 04:36 |
| seb128 | Kamion: hum right, it got updated since I've listed it, thanks | 04:36 |
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| Kamion | seb128: [dpkg-source output:] dpkg-source: error: file gazpacho_0.6.2.orig.tar.gz has size 433368 instead of expected 438309 | 04:37 |
| BenC | Kamion: ok, new kernel-package for ppc build was just ACCEPTED, how long should I wait on the new linux-source upload, since it needs that package to build? | 04:38 |
| seb128 | k, thanks anyway (why people need to change the orig from upstream?) | 04:38 |
| Kamion | seb128: goffice pxlib pyorbit synced, overwriting Ubuntu changes | 04:39 |
| seb128 | Kamion: thank you | 04:39 |
| pitti | BenC: to relieve some pain from Colin, I can tell you when the package goes into the archive | 04:40 |
| BenC | pitti: ok, thanks | 04:40 |
| Kamion | BenC: cron.daily runs at :03 and :33; about ten minutes after that you can be pretty sure that the packages are usable by buildds | 04:40 |
| Kamion | seb128: libgtkhtml2 gnome-keyring done too | 04:41 |
| BenC | Kamion: so even a _all.deb will be available to all buildd's after it's done? | 04:41 |
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| seb128 | cool, thanks | 04:41 |
| Kamion | BenC: yes | 04:41 |
| BenC | cool, thanks | 04:41 |
| Kamion | BenC: if you want to be safe, wait until you can see it on archive.ubuntu.com | 04:42 |
| BenC | I'll go ahead and upload 2.6.15-2.2 then, and ping you in about 30 minutes :) | 04:42 |
| Kamion | at worst you'll lose half an hour by doing that | 04:42 |
| Kamion | pitti: done, overwriting Ubuntu changes | 04:43 |
| Kamion | BenC: I shouldn't need to NEW the source, only the binaries, which will arrive later | 04:43 |
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| BenC | Kamion: ah, correct, I'll hold off on the upload | 04:44 |
| pitti | Kamion: thanks | 04:44 |
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| jbailey | We need to add "Ubuntu" to all of our dictionaries. =) | 04:47 |
| ogra | yeah | 04:52 |
| pitti | chmj: is #19021 still valid? | 04:52 |
| ogra | and kubuntu and edubuntu too please :) | 04:52 |
| ogra | and sabdfl | 04:52 |
| Treenaks | ogra: let's start with ubuntu | 04:53 |
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| slomo | elmo: please sync wavpack and gmime2.1 and libextractor from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: yeah, we definitely need the real modprobe, not the busybox one | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | or heavily patch the busybox one, and forever play catch-up | 05:41 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: I kind of hope modprobe will stabilise at *some* point | 05:44 |
| pitti | Kamion: please sync ispell-fi and libpng; then I won't bother you any more today, promised :) | 05:45 |
| pitti | (not urgent, though) | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: maybe, but it's only 20K :p | 05:46 |
| Kamion | pitti: E: libpng12-dev is in main but it's source (libpng) is not. | 05:46 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: upstream d-i will take this pretty soon, and 20K really matters on the floppies | 05:47 |
| pitti | whoops? ok, don't bother then, I'll look into that | 05:47 |
| desrt | Kinnison; i realised that somewhat after the fact | 05:47 |
| desrt | Kinnison; no matter | 05:47 |
| Kinnison | desrt: :-) | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | a | 05:47 |
| Kamion | pitti: ispell-fi done | 05:47 |
| Kinnison | desrt: was it anything you still need resolving? | 05:47 |
| desrt | no. i was just going to poke you randomly | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: so we should patch the busybox modprobe to support blacklisting? | 05:47 |
| desrt | i can do it now if you like | 05:47 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: I think so, yes | 05:47 |
| Kamion | or whatever we need in the installer | 05:48 |
| slomo | Kamion: are you the one to ask for syncs atm? or only for really important stuff? | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | I imagine the installer will need the same module blacklists as the ordinary userspace | 05:48 |
| Kinnison | desrt: ill it be a pleasant random poke? | 05:48 |
| Kinnison | desrt: or will it make me squeal like keybuk? | 05:48 |
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| Kinnison | woohoo! | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | I don't squeal | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | I moan appreciatively | 05:48 |
| Kamion | pitti: you sure you mean libpng? it only seems to build libpng2 and libpng10 in breezy | 05:48 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: don't see why it'd need e.g. the alsa ones | 05:49 |
| pitti | Kamion: I just took a look at the diff, and saw the MOM bug | 05:49 |
| desrt | i taught mao to a couple of people 2 nights ago. that was particularly interesting. | 05:49 |
| pitti | Kamion: but libpng is a mess anyway, I'll figure that out later | 05:49 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: true, but we'd need the network card ones | 05:49 |
| Simira | Kamion, Kinnison: are Sundays a nice day to have beer in Cambridge? | 05:50 |
| Kamion | E: wavpack: not found | 05:50 |
| Kamion | slomo: ^-- | 05:50 |
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| Kamion | slomo: (i.e. wavpack is not in Debian; did it come from somewhere else?) | 05:51 |
| slomo | Kamion: sorry, it's still in incoming :/ | 05:51 |
| Kamion | slomo: gmime2.1 and libextractor done; I'd kind of rather not do syncs of new packages from incoming, since then we have to duplicate the manual checking that Debian does | 05:52 |
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| slomo | Kamion: ok, np... isn't that important anyway :) but it's not NEW for us, we already have it in universe and the packaging only differs slightly... needed to change some small things for my sponsor | 05:54 |
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| Kamion | slomo: I know, but still | 05:55 |
| Kamion | the Debian NEW queue is pretty quick these days, so we can sync it later | 05:56 |
| slomo | Kamion: yes, sure... that's actually the reason why i asked for the sync ;) i thought it was already in as it was accepted last night | 05:57 |
| Kamion | oh, duh, I'm a moron, incoming == accepted not new | 05:57 |
| Kamion | all the same I don't know where to get the Sources file for incoming, so you'll have to wait anyway ... | 05:58 |
| slomo | np :) | 05:59 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: ah, I remember why I picked those statuses for Bugzilla now | 06:06 |
| Keybuk | there's a *shock* comment above the line of code | 06:06 |
| Keybuk | it's the default set of statuses in a Bugzilla search | 06:06 |
| Keybuk | mom-in-Bugzilla, that is | 06:06 |
| Kamion | ah | 06:10 |
| Keybuk | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?product=Ubuntu&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Bug+Number&field0-0-0=alias&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=%5Emerge- | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | ^ btw, randomly useful Search to Save | 06:14 |
| fabbione | that's trunked | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | no it's not | 06:15 |
| fabbione | truncated even | 06:15 |
| Keybuk | so isn't | 06:15 |
| Keybuk | it's just hand-edited to not contain a billion keys | 06:15 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 06:15 |
| fabbione | the last - was suspicious | 06:15 |
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| ogra | pitti, chmj, whats going on with coreutils ?? | 06:17 |
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| Kamion | ogra: did you look at the diff against Debian in chmj's upload? | 06:17 |
| ogra | nope | 06:17 |
| Kamion | I suggest you do | 06:18 |
| ogra | i just noted that i have a totally different version than others... and uniq is missing options used in some scripts | 06:18 |
| Keybuk | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/coreutils/coreutils_5.2.1-2.1ubuntu1.patch | 06:18 |
| Kamion | the only changes were a standards-version change and a versioned dependency on perl-base that the version of perl-base in warty matches | 06:18 |
| pitti | ogra: we just synced it? | 06:18 |
| ogra | oh, it didnt build yet ... | 06:18 |
| Kamion | coreutils | 5.93-2 | dapper | source, amd64, i386, powerpc | 06:19 |
| doko | Keybuk: really announce the allocator change to -announce? | 06:19 |
| ogra | now i understand ... seems others already have 5.93 | 06:19 |
| Keybuk | doko: sure, it's an "upcoming change" that somebody might go "ooooh, need to fix something" for | 06:19 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: that's typically the kind of stuff the distro team want to read I guess | 06:19 |
| Keybuk | -devel-announce is the signal, CAN'T STOP THE SIGNAL! :p | 06:20 |
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| Diziet | Bah, I suppose sabdfl will grumble if I `accidentally' break the Home/Desktop distinction in firefox by dropping this patch. | 06:21 |
| smurf | janimo: | 06:22 |
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| Kamion | jbailey: you have syncs outstanding from pre-breezy; do you need to give them to other people? | 06:27 |
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| pitti | ogra: edubuntu-server is the only package that keeps postgresql-8.0 in main. I already updated the seeds a while ago, can you please update the metapackage? | 06:28 |
| pitti | ogra: (updated for 8.1( | 06:28 |
| ogra | pitti, oki | 06:28 |
| janimo | smurf, hey | 06:28 |
| janimo | what does that mean? | 06:28 |
| janimo | pong? :) | 06:28 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: btw, ~18900 is the first dapper merge | 06:29 |
| smurf | janimo: You ping me, I pong you | 06:29 |
| janimo | see the two lines I wrote after the initial ping | 06:29 |
| Kamion | #18992 is the first open one | 06:29 |
| janimo | libgnutls vs pkg_config | 06:29 |
| Keybuk | smurf: that meant ping though, you wanted for pong | 06:29 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: wow, I'm so good | 06:30 |
| janimo | where does one learn this stuff? | 06:30 |
| janimo | I'd like to know what is the sign for please sync | 06:30 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: what was the url to that bootchart thingy? | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: the package? people.uc/~scott/packages | 06:30 |
| fabbione | thanks | 06:31 |
| smurf | Keybuk: ?? ping is , according to gucharmap | 06:31 |
| smurf | janimo: I'll have a look, thanks | 06:31 |
| janimo | smurf, thanks | 06:31 |
| Keybuk | smurf: maybe I'm confused then | 06:32 |
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| Keybuk | I always thought ping was \ and pong / ... but if gucharmap disagrees, it's probably right :p | 06:32 |
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| wasabi_ | xscreensaver somehow does not work with PAM properly. =( | 06:32 |
| ogra | wasabi_, xscreensaver will die | 06:33 |
| wasabi_ | good. | 06:33 |
| wasabi_ | on breezy it's impossible for me to unlock it | 06:33 |
| ogra | we move to gnome-screensaver ... | 06:34 |
| wasabi_ | Oh, gnome-screensaver has the same problem for me heh. | 06:34 |
| ogra | hmm, but it has pam support compiled in ... | 06:34 |
| wasabi_ | Yeah, but for whatever reason it fails auth, and only tries pam_unix. | 06:34 |
| wasabi_ | My pam setup is a bit complicated. | 06:34 |
| elmo | DEAR *, THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: when your package is REJECTED, you need to actually CHANGE something before reuploading it. THAT IS ALL. KTHANKS. | 06:35 |
| seb128 | hi elmo :) | 06:36 |
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| seb128 | elmo: nice to have you back :p | 06:36 |
| doko | elmo is live again ;-P | 06:36 |
| janimo | ogra, what were the probs with xscreensaver?(link) thanks | 06:38 |
| ogra | janimo, ? | 06:38 |
| janimo | why is it being replaced I mean | 06:39 |
| janimo | is gss in gnome core? | 06:39 |
| ogra | janimo, its not as good integrated with the desktop as g-s-s | 06:39 |
| ogra | it requires a lot of patching to have a beatiful lock dialog | 06:39 |
| ogra | the code is ancient ... | 06:39 |
| janimo | right now it seems it looks ok to me | 06:40 |
| ogra | it uses .xscreensaver files | 06:40 |
| Kamion | doko: some people have responsibilities that require them to be in other places than in front of a computer :P | 06:40 |
| janimo | for xubuntu I guess it will stay | 06:40 |
| ogra | which makes it hard to integrate with the rest of the desktop which uses gconf ... | 06:40 |
| ogra | janimo, i think the main parts will move to universe ... only the hacks we ship will stay in main | 06:41 |
| janimo | isn;t it a single package? | 06:41 |
| ogra | nope | 06:41 |
| ogra | its three currently ... | 06:42 |
| doko | Kamion: sure, that was just the nice "I'm back" message | 06:42 |
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| ogra | and it will become 5 | 06:42 |
| janimo | uh | 06:42 |
| ogra | yes :/ | 06:42 |
| jbailey | Kamion: The pre-breezy syncs are generally ones that got assigned to me last minute when I was hacking on other things, so missed the deadline. If others are idle, they're welcome to do them, otherwise they'll get done after the glibc/lkh update. I'd expect them all to be done by mid next week. | 06:43 |
| ogra | sabdfl request ... the hacks already split into gl and nongl packages ... plus the binary (daemon/client) | 06:43 |
| ogra | he wants to have the hacks split into sipped and unshipped ... | 06:43 |
| ogra | *shipped | 06:43 |
| janimo | why do the hack remain in uni if g-s-s replaces x-s-s? | 06:43 |
| Treenaks | sounds reasonable, if you have a shitload of hacks | 06:43 |
| Treenaks | or want "screensaver themepacks" | 06:44 |
| janimo | can g-s-s use some of x-s-s data? | 06:44 |
| ogra | the x-s-s-hacks-ship and x-s-s-gl-hacks-ship packages will go to main... the rest gets dropped | 06:44 |
| Treenaks | ogra: not universe? | 06:44 |
| ogra | they will be tweaked so you can use them with g-s-s | 06:44 |
| ogra | Treenaks, dropped into the big universe of packages :p | 06:45 |
| Treenaks | ogra: ah *phew* | 06:45 |
| janimo | hmm will that tweakage prevent x-s-s using them ? | 06:45 |
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| ogra | janimo, nope | 06:45 |
| janimo | ok then | 06:45 |
| ogra | janimo, i just have to add a .desktop file foe every hack we ship... | 06:45 |
| ogra | *for | 06:45 |
| janimo | thanks | 06:46 |
| ogra | x-s-s will ignore that | 06:46 |
| elmo | ok, who merged lm-sensors? | 06:46 |
| Kamion | elmo: please sync mac-fdisk, perl | 06:47 |
| fabbione | elmo: afaik Mithrandir | 06:47 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: DEAR TOLLEF, PLEASE BE AWAKE WHEN MERGING. IT HELPS, NO REALLY. | 06:47 |
| fabbione | hi elmo | 06:47 |
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| elmo | Mithrandir: dude, unscrew lm-sensors, and I'll quiten down | 06:48 |
| Keybuk | who uses lm-sensors anyway? | 06:48 |
| fabbione | *cough* | 06:48 |
| Treenaks | uh, doesn't mithrandir have a Thinkpad? Doesn't lm-sensors break on thinkpads? | 06:49 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: specifically, it shouldn't be building 2.4.xx kernel modules ... | 06:50 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: amazingly enough, I have other machines too. | 06:50 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: it doesn't build any 2.4 modules here. | 06:50 |
| Mithrandir | I was pondering nuking that part from debian/rules, can do that though | 06:50 |
| elmo | katie@jackass:~/queue/new$ ls lm-sensors* | 06:50 |
| elmo | lm-sensors-2.4.27-2-386_2.9.2-5ubuntu1_i386.deb lm-sensors-2.4.27-2-k7-smp_2.9.2-5ubuntu1_i386.deb | 06:50 |
| elmo | it does on our buildds :-P | 06:51 |
| Mithrandir | silly buildds. :-P | 06:51 |
| Mithrandir | I'll fix it | 06:51 |
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| elmo | Kamion: done | 06:53 |
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| fabbione | elmo: thanks for the sparc NEW love | 06:57 |
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| Mithrandir | elmo: ok, package with all traces of module building uploaded, though I have no idea how that happened. | 07:02 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: hmm, localechooser's breaking on current CDs in qemu | 07:03 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: oh joy. Breaking how? | 07:03 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: can you please sync heimdal, ttf-indic-fonts, ttf-freefont, liboil? Overriding ubuntu changes is ok. | 07:05 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I select "English", "United Kingdom", and localechooser exits 20 | 07:07 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: done | 07:07 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: localechooser doesn't have an "exit 20" in it, though. | 07:10 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I might have screwed up languagelist when merging it; can you get a trace? | 07:11 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: ah, it's "20 Incorrect number of arguments" from debconf, due to db_get without arguments | 07:11 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: it's the "When running under oem-config" block ... | 07:12 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: ok, I've got it, will fix | 07:13 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: thanks. | 07:13 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: thanks a lot. | 07:15 |
| mdz | morning | 07:18 |
| seb128 | hi mdz | 07:18 |
| seb128 | pitti: http://live.gnome.org/GStreamer_2fesd FYI | 07:18 |
| slomo | elmo: please sync balsa from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 07:21 |
| fabbione | hey mdz | 07:22 |
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| pitti | seb128: thanks for the link | 07:27 |
| pitti | Hi mdz! | 07:27 |
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| pitti | elmo: can you please sync ocaml? (override ok, I tested the package locally) | 07:31 |
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| pitti | elmo: it has a NEW package, though | 07:32 |
| slomo | elmo: and please sync gnunet from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 07:36 |
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| Simira | Nafallo: got your mail? I got one of yours in return | 07:48 |
| pitti | mdz, Kamion: btw, I reviewed (and still reviewing) the anastacia output and I created a couple of reports | 07:49 |
| pitti | Kamion: since you wanted to promote some packages soon | 07:49 |
| Nafallo | Simira: ah, yes :-). | 07:50 |
| Nafallo | Simira: have jenny sent the signatures to you yet? | 07:50 |
| mdz | pitti: anything ready to promote? | 07:52 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, see the queue | 07:52 |
| pitti | mdz: this should make at least abiword buildable | 07:53 |
| pitti | mdz: I'm still digging through the plethora of perl modules that po4a introduces | 07:53 |
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| pitti | but several packages b-dep on po4a, so I hope to finish this today | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | cooky, mom doesn't notice when a file is added differently on both sides | 08:03 |
| BenC | mdz: ping | 08:04 |
| mae | theres a lot of buzz on launchpad about dapper | 08:08 |
| mae | ! | 08:08 |
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| slomo | BenC: ping? | 08:18 |
| HiddenWolf | is the switch bugzilla -> malone still going ahead? | 08:19 |
| Keybuk | so, err | 08:27 |
| Keybuk | could someone install BenC's shiny new kernel, and see if their machine will boot <g> | 08:27 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: I think we have a volunteer in #ubuntu-nl | 08:28 |
| Keybuk | does he knowingly know it might not boot? :p | 08:29 |
| pitti | Keybuk: -amd64 just hit accepted/ | 08:30 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I'm eager to try it :) | 08:30 |
| Nafallo | is it NEW'd? :-) | 08:32 |
| sivang | Keybuk: I wouldn't mind either , but I have to reach home before :) | 08:32 |
| Nafallo | Keybuk: he told me he runned it on his laptop the whole ubz-week when I asked ;-) | 08:32 |
| Keybuk | I'd be interested to know how he gets /dev | 08:33 |
| Keybuk | in particular, /dev/input | 08:33 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: yes | 08:38 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: but anyway, I'm trying it on my _other_ laptop :) | 08:38 |
| Treenaks | (oh, and don't ever post photos of conferences on your site. you won't like the bandwidth bill) | 08:39 |
| Keybuk | I don't pay for bandwidth :) | 08:39 |
| pitti | $ sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.15-2-amd64-generic_2.6.15-2.2_amd64.deb - whoo! | 08:41 |
| BenC | slomo: pong | 08:41 |
| BenC | FYI, amd64 is _completely_ untested :) | 08:42 |
| pitti | BenC: then you will hear me screaming soon :) | 08:42 |
| Treenaks | BenC: I'm currently downloading .15-2 | 08:42 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: I do, and it sucks :) but oh well :) | 08:42 |
| BenC | i386 and ppc I can say "works for me", and that you should get the same hw I have if it doesn't work :) | 08:43 |
| BenC | if this channel is empty after 30 minutes, I guess I'll have to go hide somewhere | 08:43 |
| Treenaks | BenC: Then a coordinated effort to hunt you down will begin, I guess | 08:44 |
| Keybuk | BenC: and you have stuff in /dev/input? :p | 08:44 |
| Keybuk | cooky | 08:44 |
| Keybuk | kooky too | 08:44 |
| === Diziet gets to the end of the firefox `files to merge list'. Excellent, I can spend tomorrow trying to get it to build. | ||
| Diziet | That'll make a nice change from reading huge and often incomprehensible diffs. | 08:44 |
| === Keybuk hugs smerge-mode | ||
| Diziet | -1s/merge list'/merge' list/' | 08:44 |
| BenC | Keybuk: my G4 actually works ok, except that my gnome desktop will not accept that my cdrom is mounted (it is, but it wont open it) | 08:45 |
| Diziet | The real problem was that I had little idea what most of the changes did. Luckily the vast majority seem generally irrelevant for 1.5beta. | 08:45 |
| Diziet | Now, dinner ! | 08:45 |
| Diziet | TTFN all | 08:45 |
| BenC | my i386 has problems with the new rt2500pci, but other than that, all the USB devices work (lots of joysticks and stuff, because it's a mame arcade machine) | 08:46 |
| Keybuk | curious | 08:46 |
| Keybuk | various people have sworn blind that old udev flat-out doesn't work | 08:46 |
| pitti | mdz: can you please promote the lot in UbuntuMainInclusionQueue? This should clean up anastacia a lot | 08:47 |
| BenC | my G4 shows three mice in /dev/input, which matches because I have a Logitech Internet Nav keyboard | 08:47 |
| BenC | and it shows three ts# devices...what are those? | 08:47 |
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| Treenaks | touchsceeen? | 08:47 |
| === BenC hopes pitti returns soon | ||
| Treenaks | :) | 08:48 |
| Treenaks | This is why I have spare boxes to test on | 08:48 |
| BenC | yeah, removing tsdev removes those | 08:49 |
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| Keybuk | BenC: udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n input/ts0) | 08:49 |
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| Treenaks | BenC: my framebuffer looks al weird now, but it seems to boot | 08:53 |
| slomo | BenC: do you plan to update libraw1394 to the newest upstream? it's needed by some packages | 08:53 |
| Treenaks | BenC: vertical stripes, with a hint of "something's scrolling here" in them | 08:54 |
| BenC | slomo: I currently have no way to do it in debian, if that's what you mean | 08:54 |
| BenC | Treenaks: weird, does console work after it boots to gdm? | 08:54 |
| Treenaks | BenC: *try* | 08:54 |
| Treenaks | BenC: yes, ctrl+alt+f1 is fine | 08:54 |
| BenC | vga16fb must be a bit broken then | 08:55 |
| BenC | usplash enabled? | 08:55 |
| slomo | BenC: can i update it and give it to you for review? (for ubuntu that is) | 08:55 |
| BenC | slomo: by all means, please | 08:55 |
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| Treenaks | BenC: usplash-enabled; vga16: yes | 08:55 |
| BenC | I need to do some more testing with usplash, my i386 here doesn't have it enabled | 08:56 |
| Treenaks | BenC: so vga16fb-brokenness could very well be | 08:56 |
| slomo | BenC: thanks... i'll do it later | 08:56 |
| BenC | Treenaks: other than that, sound working, networking? | 08:56 |
| Treenaks | sound, yes | 08:56 |
| BenC | amd64? | 08:56 |
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| Treenaks | network (wired): seems to work | 08:57 |
| Treenaks | network (wireless, ipw2200) looks broken | 08:57 |
| BenC | yeah, I had heard that it was | 08:57 |
| BenC | I wonder if it's the ieee80211 stack that's broken...my wireless rt2500pci was broken aswell | 08:57 |
| Treenaks | ah firmware | 08:58 |
| slomo | elmo: please sync gnunet from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 08:58 |
| BenC | oh yeah, that's what it was, firmware | 08:58 |
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| BenC | let me mark that down for fixing | 08:58 |
| pitti_ | wow, that was smooth | 08:58 |
| pitti_ | Keybuk, BenC: apart from a totally broken usplash video mode, 2.6.15/amd64 boots and works fine here | 08:59 |
| BenC | nice | 08:59 |
| BenC | do you have wireless? | 08:59 |
| pitti_ | Keybuk, BenC: X11, sound, usb hotplug, network work fine | 08:59 |
| Treenaks | pitti_: usplash is broken for me too | 08:59 |
| Treenaks | pitti_: or at least, the video mode | 08:59 |
| pitti_ | BenC: only on my laptop | 08:59 |
| BenC | vga16fb is broken | 08:59 |
| BenC | usplash works on my G4 | 08:59 |
| BenC | pitti_: what wireless card? | 08:59 |
| pitti_ | BenC: there is no signal in the corner of the room where my desktop stands | 08:59 |
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| BenC | I'm really interested in a lot of wireless feedback, since that's what most of our external drivers are related to | 09:00 |
| Nafallo | BenC: rt2x00 beta drivers? | 09:00 |
| pitti_ | BenC: once ppc kernel has built, I'll upgrade my ibook and test linux-wlan-ng | 09:00 |
| BenC | Nafallo: yeah, 2.0.0-b2 | 09:00 |
| pitti_ | BenC: I have another wireless card that 2.6.12 did not support OOTB | 09:00 |
| Nafallo | BenC: scary :-P. | 09:00 |
| pitti_ | BenC: however, lemme just plug it in and try | 09:00 |
| BenC | pitti_: my G4's Airport card seems to be working ok for almost 24 hours now | 09:00 |
| pitti_ | wow | 09:00 |
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| BenC | not Airport Extreme, just 11b | 09:01 |
| pitti_ | BenC: I don't have an airport extreme for my ibook yet, but if it works, I'll buy one | 09:01 |
| pitti_ | BenC: wil that work for ppc? | 09:01 |
| BenC | I don't expect Airport Extreme to work, my laptop's wireless used that dirver, and it just crashed | 09:01 |
| pitti_ | [ 755.669540] prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.2 Loaded | 09:02 |
| pitti_ | [ 755.669544] prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb | 09:02 |
| pitti_ | [ 755.675334] usbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb | 09:02 |
| pitti_ | [ 755.707042] wlan0 (WE) : Driver using old /proc/net/wireless support, please fix driver ! | 09:02 |
| BenC | my G5 has Airport Extreme, so I'm hoping to get some testing soon | 09:02 |
| pitti_ | BenC: above is dmesg for my prism2 card which I normally use on my laptop | 09:02 |
| slomo | pitti_: there's a driver in development... afaik it can already kismet but no sending ;) i'll test it when 2.6.15 for ppc is built | 09:02 |
| Keybuk | pitti_: ok, that's good then | 09:02 |
| BenC | slomo: the bcm43xx driver? | 09:02 |
| BenC | s/pitti/slomo/ | 09:02 |
| Treenaks | oh yeah, mine complains about "pci driver ipw2200 has a struct device_driver shutdown method, please update!" | 09:03 |
| magnon | afaik the driver for airport extreme is being reverse engineered and they're making a spec | 09:03 |
| BenC | err, yeah | 09:03 |
| magnon | so there should be a driver soon | 09:03 |
| slomo | BenC: yes... someone on their ml wrote about using it with kismet | 09:03 |
| BenC | that driver is in the 2.6.15-2.2 upload | 09:03 |
| BenC | you can try it, but I doubt it works | 09:03 |
| magnon | exactgly | 09:04 |
| magnon | -g | 09:04 |
| slomo | BenC: oh, nice :) but i prefer trying svn every few days | 09:04 |
| BenC | the checkout was from 11-09, so it's pretty recent | 09:04 |
| BenC | definitely let me know if it ever starts working | 09:04 |
| pitti_ | BenC: iwconfig says 'no wireless extensions' here, but I never tested that prism2 thingy on my desktop | 09:04 |
| BenC | pitti_: weird | 09:04 |
| Keybuk | mjg59, mdz, sabdfl: ping | 09:04 |
| slomo | BenC: sure, i'll yell at you :P when will we get 2.6.15 for ppc? | 09:04 |
| pitti_ | BenC: hmm, maybe I should install the l-wlan-ng package :) | 09:05 |
| BenC | pitti_: can you see if there is another driver that supports it in your modules? | 09:05 |
| BenC | I recall that there was more than one driver that worked on prism2 | 09:05 |
| BenC | slomo: depends on how fast the buildd is, I suspect it is chugging on it right now | 09:05 |
| Kamion | BenC: I already did the legwork to extract the firmware for my laptop's AE, so I'll try it out in not too long | 09:06 |
| fabbione | BenC: my ppc is installing right now | 09:06 |
| slomo | BenC: fine, so i can start breaking my ibook soon :) | 09:06 |
| BenC | glad that so far everyone atleast can boot it | 09:06 |
| fabbione | BenC: as soon as we can get all pieces together, i can test too | 09:06 |
| BenC | fabbione: nice | 09:06 |
| fabbione | i am not sure tho this version of the Airport is supported at all | 09:07 |
| fabbione | the hw on the new powerbook is barely supported by linux :/ | 09:07 |
| fabbione | Olof said that the trackpad doesn't work.. and other stuff too.. but i don't have X yet | 09:07 |
| Kamion | fabbione: it'll be an Airport Extreme surely - Apple haven't shipped Airports with PowerBooks for years | 09:07 |
| BenC | if it's Extreme, which it probably is (11g) then no, if it's just an Airport, then it will work | 09:07 |
| Kamion | but yours should have a PCMCIA slot | 09:07 |
| BenC | fabbione: track pad should work with out patches | 09:07 |
| pitti_ | BenC: my Siemens Gigaset USB wireless is not recognized, but that required an external driver in 2.6.12, too | 09:07 |
| fabbione | BenC: not according to Olof on the new serie | 09:08 |
| pitti_ | BenC: that worked after a lot of fiddling and driver compilation | 09:08 |
| BenC | fabbione: ah, ok | 09:08 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yes, that doesn't bother me.. i am on cable here | 09:08 |
| magnon | fabbione: my trackpad works with the appletouch driver | 09:08 |
| BenC | pitti_: if you can track down the driver, we can include it | 09:08 |
| fabbione | magnon: on the new serie? | 09:09 |
| magnon | is there another one? | 09:09 |
| magnon | mine is from may | 09:09 |
| fabbione | yes | 09:09 |
| fabbione | there is a new one | 09:09 |
| magnon | bah | 09:09 |
| fabbione | from like a month ago | 09:09 |
| pitti_ | BenC: that's the atmel driver | 09:09 |
| fabbione | magnon: but there are also other problems on this new hw | 09:09 |
| pitti_ | BenC: http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net | 09:09 |
| fabbione | like sleep doesn't work | 09:09 |
| fabbione | but benh is already working on getting it fixed | 09:10 |
| BenC | pitti_: thought we had that driver...guess I'll have to check | 09:10 |
| pitti_ | BenC: I compiled it successfully (after some fiddling) against several kernels | 09:10 |
| pitti_ | BenC: linux upstream does have atmel drivers, but not for the USB cards | 09:10 |
| magnon | fabbione: not surprising... | 09:10 |
| BenC | pitti_: can you try rmmod prism2(whatever the module is called) and modprobe hostap_cb? | 09:11 |
| BenC | I think that was the one that also supported prism2 cards | 09:11 |
| pitti_ | BenC: for the netgear one? sure | 09:11 |
| dholbach | is everybody in #ubuntu-meeting? it's TB meeting :) | 09:11 |
| Treenaks | BenC: ooh, when I press the power button, it shuts down nicely | 09:11 |
| Treenaks | BenC: but at poweroff -> PANIC | 09:11 |
| BenC | Treenaks: hmm, email the panic to bcollins@u.c please? | 09:12 |
| pitti_ | BenC: [ 1373.080276] hostap_cs: 0.4.4-kernel (Jouni Malinen <jkmaline@cc.hut.fi>) | 09:12 |
| pitti_ | BenC: however, no wireless card in iwconfig now | 09:12 |
| Treenaks | BenC: uh, no serial on that machine.. and I'm _not_ going to copy a screendump manually ;) | 09:12 |
| pitti_ | BenC: and no other output | 09:12 |
| BenC | Treenaks: pictures work ok :) | 09:12 |
| Treenaks | BenC: oh DOH | 09:12 |
| BenC | pitti_: ok | 09:13 |
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| Treenaks | BenC: the picture is 4MB; ok to mail? :) | 09:16 |
| BenC | Treenaks: hmm, guess it's worth a shot :) | 09:16 |
| pitti_ | BenC: it seems that the hostap drivers are only for pcmcia and pci | 09:16 |
| BenC | oh, thought that had a usb one too | 09:17 |
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| Treenaks | BenC: sending... :) | 09:19 |
| Treenaks | BenC: OK, sent | 09:21 |
| BenC | thanks | 09:21 |
| mpt | Kamion, ping | 09:22 |
| Kamion | mpt: hi; if you include the actual question with your pings we'll have fewer one-day round trip times :) | 09:27 |
| mpt | heh | 09:27 |
| mpt | Kamion, I have a couple of questions to tidy up UbuntuExpress/PartitioningTool | 09:27 |
| ogra | hrm, is gksudo broken for anybody else ? | 09:27 |
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| mdke | ogra, yes | 09:28 |
| ogra | ah, ok, then i'm at least not alone :) | 09:28 |
| Kamion | mpt: ok, that might take a while and I'm giving up for the evening soon; can it be done by e-mail? | 09:28 |
| mpt | Kamion: first, how long will/might it take to scan all the disks and see how much space is available on each one? | 09:28 |
| mpt | sure, no problem | 09:28 |
| dholbach | ogra, mdke: should be fixed now | 09:28 |
| dholbach | ogra, mdke: the new libgksuui will fix it | 09:29 |
| Kamion | mpt: it's quick enough that we already do it at the partman main menu in our existing installer | 09:29 |
| ogra | dholbach, thanks :) | 09:29 |
| Kamion | not instant, but pretty short | 09:29 |
| neuralis | mdz, ping | 09:29 |
| Kamion | BTW you know UbuntuExpress/PartitioningTool is already approved, right? | 09:29 |
| mpt | yes | 09:29 |
| Kamion | ok | 09:29 |
| mpt | it's approved, but I thought it might be incomplete | 09:30 |
| ogra | mpt, the code is afaik | 09:30 |
| Kamion | ogra: of course it is | 09:30 |
| mpt | Kamion, the other question was, what if a partition is so fragmented it can't be resized? | 09:30 |
| Kamion | mpt: libparted deals with that | 09:31 |
| Kamion | non-prehistoric systems automatically defragment | 09:31 |
| mpt | perhaps, but libparted doesn't have a gui of its own | 09:32 |
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| mpt | I mean, where do we take the person if libparted comes back with an error | 09:32 |
| Kamion | mpt: it doesn't matter, libparted automatically restructures e.g. the FAT when resizing | 09:32 |
| Kamion | there is no such thing as "so fragmented it can't be resized" AFAIK | 09:32 |
| mpt | oh, great | 09:32 |
| Kamion | if libparted comes back with an error, we present the error, but that's not generally one of the cases where that will happen | 09:33 |
| Kamion | we can do our best to avoid such situations happening, but partitioning is a complex subject and from time to time things will go wrong | 09:33 |
| dilinger | oh yea | 09:33 |
| mpt | All right, that's all I wanted to know | 09:33 |
| mpt | thanks Kamion | 09:33 |
| dilinger | i forgot to submit my parted patches | 09:33 |
| Kamion | ok, cool | 09:33 |
| Kamion | no problem | 09:34 |
| mpt | ogra, "the code is ___________ afaik"? | 09:34 |
| ogra | <mpt> it's approved, but I thought it might be incomplete | 09:34 |
| mpt | so the code is approved, or the code is incomplete? :-) | 09:35 |
| ogra | the latter one :) | 09:35 |
| Kamion | we're talking about a spec, not the code | 09:35 |
| mpt | indeed | 09:35 |
| mpt | that's why I was confused :-) | 09:35 |
| Kamion | a week and a half after the conference I think it's obvious that the code will be incomplete ;) | 09:35 |
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| ogra | Kamion, was this newly discussed at ubz ? i didnt know that... | 09:36 |
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| Kamion | ogra: all of UE was re-discussed | 09:36 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 09:36 |
| mpt | ogra, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/PartitioningTool | 09:36 |
| Keybuk | ok ... either the hdparm maintainer is on crack, or I need to have coffee | 09:43 |
| ogra | did he implement the hdparm settings in gconf ? | 09:43 |
| Keybuk | no, but it looks like the upgrade stuff in postinst will do almost exactly the wrong thing | 09:44 |
| ogra | mpt, looks cool ... | 09:44 |
| Riddell | ogra: what time is dapper dev meeting on thursday? | 09:44 |
| Keybuk | preinst, even | 09:45 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: 0800 | 09:45 |
| Riddell | ug, early | 09:45 |
| ogra | Riddell, just stay up :) | 09:45 |
| Riddell | ogra: given my current sleep pattern that's not unlikely | 09:45 |
| dholbach | brb | 09:49 |
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| Nafallo | hmm | 09:57 |
| Nafallo | is it normal that usplash is screwed on the new kernel? ;-) | 09:57 |
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| pitti_ | Nafallo: for me, too | 09:58 |
| Nafallo | good to not be alone :-) | 09:59 |
| Nafallo | my "mousewheel" moves my pointer up and down ;-) | 10:00 |
| pitti | hm, works for me | 10:00 |
| Nafallo | synaptic touchpad? | 10:00 |
| Nafallo | oh! | 10:02 |
| Nafallo | looks like rt2500 still can scan atleast :-) | 10:02 |
| BenC | I think I figured out the usplash problem | 10:04 |
| BenC | and oddly enough it seems to be a usplash bug :) | 10:04 |
| sladen | fore soth, usplash doth have many corners | 10:05 |
| sladen | have you tracked it down enough to file it? | 10:05 |
| BenC | it's not really a bug, I guess | 10:06 |
| BenC | just the location of softcursor.ko changes (video/console/ instead of video/) | 10:06 |
| BenC | but I can't understand why there isn't a modprobe in initramfs, so it didn't have to use insmod | 10:06 |
| BenC | would solve the problem easily | 10:06 |
| Kamion | BenC: looking back through irclogs, apparently the original reason was that modprobe would require an updated modules.dep in the initramfs | 10:09 |
| BenC | but the initrd does in fact call depmod several times :) | 10:10 |
| BenC | atleast that's what I gathered from some of the BOF's at ubz | 10:10 |
| Kamion | yeah, but that's going to go away I think | 10:11 |
| Kamion | and the depmod would have to happen at run-time rather than initramfs-build-time because initramfses can be concatenated at boot | 10:11 |
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| BenC | only because modules.dep will be expected to be sane | 10:11 |
| Kamion | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/archived/2005-09/ubuntu-devel-2005-09-10.html | 10:11 |
| Kamion | near the bottom, there's a discussed | 10:11 |
| Kamion | discussion | 10:11 |
| Kamion | the conclusion seemed to be that modprobe --show-depends would help | 10:12 |
| slomo | BenC: 2.6.15 works fine here on my athlon... good work :) | 10:12 |
| BenC | slomo: good to hear, thanks | 10:12 |
| BenC | well, seems the problem wasn't simply the softcursor module | 10:12 |
| BenC | well, usplash isn't even showing up for me | 10:13 |
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| Nafallo | BenC: scrolling on my synaptics touchpad stopped working, except that it seems working :-) | 10:15 |
| Nafallo | (famous last words :-P) | 10:15 |
| BenC | yeah, I noticed the same with my synaptics too, but I can't test it anymore | 10:16 |
| Nafallo | good, only reproducible stuff yet then :-) | 10:16 |
| BenC | yeah, so far nothing deadly too | 10:16 |
| xhaker | broken deps ;) | 10:18 |
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| Mithrandir | xhaker: please turn off public away | 10:21 |
| xhaker | Mithrandir, sorry. i thought xchat did it only at the network i was in | 10:22 |
| xhaker | ame seems to spawn at every network :S | 10:23 |
| slomo | elmo: please sync gnunet-gtk from debian/unstable... it's NEW | 10:25 |
| fabbione | infinity, lamont-away, elmo: is any of the ppc buildd munging the kernel? | 10:26 |
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| elmo | err, "munging"? | 10:26 |
| psusi | so what's up with all the talk on the ml lately about init? What's wrong with init that supposedly makes it slow? | 10:26 |
| fabbione | elmo: did you ever use "munge" on amiga to do debugging? | 10:27 |
| elmo | I was an Atari person :P | 10:27 |
| fabbione | elmo: it become a synonimous of "working hard" on something | 10:27 |
| fabbione | tsk ;) | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | psusi: nothing | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | it's just one of those shiny things that everyone blames who hasn't actually bothered to find out what the problems really are | 10:28 |
| Keybuk | it's the layman's -pipe | 10:28 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: but -pipe -pipe -pipe is _even_ faster. | 10:29 |
| crimsun | elmo: please sync xsidplay, xmltv, xine-ui, xfstt, wmtv, wmsysmon, waili, and vpnc from Sid (ok to override ubuntu changes) | 10:29 |
| psusi | ok... that's what I figured | 10:29 |
| BenC | anyone know why I wouldn't have a /dev/null in my initramfs? | 10:29 |
| BenC | usplash is failing because of that | 10:29 |
| elmo | fabbione: no - it broke, given it back | 10:29 |
| fabbione | elmo: thanks | 10:30 |
| sladen | BenC: /win 22 | 10:30 |
| Keybuk | BenC: weird, it's created right at the top of the initramfs init script | 10:30 |
| psusi | I need to give that boot profiler a try... I've timed my boot time at 27 secconds but I wonder what's going on in there... but first I need to finish working out the power management kinks in the sata_via driver | 10:31 |
| Nafallo | elmo: thanx for all syncs :-) | 10:31 |
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| Kamion | oh damn, helps to rebuild d-i after changing stuff in the initrd | 10:33 |
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| BenC | wait, this is an old initramfs-tools | 10:34 |
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| elmo | crimsun: done | 10:34 |
| elmo | slomo: no, it's marked as BROKEN in josie - I'll post about the BROKEN packages later | 10:35 |
| bmonty_laptop | elmo: did you get the sync requests I sent you via email? | 10:35 |
| slomo | elmo: josie? | 10:35 |
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| elmo | bmonty_laptop: not yet gotten to the sync email backlog | 10:36 |
| elmo | slomo: the program that does syncs | 10:36 |
| bmonty_laptop | elmo: ok, thanks | 10:36 |
| slomo | elmo: hmm, maybe broken because we didn't have a new enough gnunet until a few hours ago? or what are the possibilities why it detects something as broken? | 10:37 |
| elmo | slomo: as I said, I'll post about the broken packages later, kinda busy now, sorry | 10:37 |
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| slomo | elmo: np :) just curious | 10:38 |
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| crimsun | elmo: thanks! | 10:38 |
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| shaya | anyone know what this error is from | 10:43 |
| shaya | Undefined color: "#000000 " when trying to run emacs in dapper | 10:43 |
| shaya | xrdb issue? | 10:43 |
| Hirion | shaya: same here with vim | 10:45 |
| seb128 | probably xrdb called with -nocpp where is should cpp | 10:45 |
| seb128 | gnome-settings-daemon change maybe | 10:45 |
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| Kamion | it should be using mcpp in dapper | 10:47 |
| daniels | yes | 10:47 |
| seb128 | Kamion: it is | 10:48 |
| Kamion | ok, you're scaring me. how did you see that? | 10:48 |
| daniels | because I am fucking ninja | 10:48 |
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| daniels | also, good morning everyone | 10:48 |
| seb128 | hi daniels | 10:48 |
| Nafallo | morning daniels :-) | 10:50 |
| shaya | so any way to fix it so I can get my emacs back? :) | 10:52 |
| dieman | so like, if ive got a really flipping annoying nfs bug in hoary and I can find the patch to fix it, is there a way to get it in someday as part of hoary slipped in with a security update? ;) | 10:53 |
| dieman | or 'just upgrade to breezy, damnit' | 10:53 |
| daniels | shaya: fix what? | 10:54 |
| daniels | i guess this has something to do with xrdb | 10:54 |
| shaya | $ emacs | 10:54 |
| shaya | Undefined color: "#000000 " | 10:54 |
| Treenaks | shaya: space at the end of your line | 10:54 |
| shaya | me too | 10:54 |
| Treenaks | bad bad bad | 10:54 |
| daniels | shaya: that's not a problem with xrdb, that's you missing /etc/X11/rgb.txt or such | 10:55 |
| daniels | oh | 10:55 |
| daniels | but treenaks has a very good point | 10:55 |
| shaya | no, I have it | 10:55 |
| shaya | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17371 2005-08-17 08:15 /etc/X11/rgb.txt | 10:55 |
| Treenaks | shaya: there's a space at the end of the relevant line in your xrdb input file | 10:55 |
| sivang | night all | 10:56 |
| Treenaks | shaya: night sivan | 10:56 |
| shaya | where's that input file | 10:56 |
| Treenaks | you put it there ;) | 10:56 |
| shaya | no | 10:56 |
| daniels | shaya: maybe .Xdefaults, maybe .Xresources, who knows | 10:56 |
| shaya | I hvae none | 10:56 |
| daniels | grep for '#000000 ' over /etc, but this is seriously #ubuntu territory | 10:56 |
| shaya | this came w/ an upgrade to dapper | 10:57 |
| slomo | daniels: i have the same problem ;) | 10:57 |
| slomo | daniels: "Warning: Color name "#efebe7 " is not defined" with vim | 10:57 |
| shaya | also tk | 10:57 |
| shaya | tkinfo | 10:58 |
| shaya | Application initialization failed: this isn't a Tk applicationinvalid color name "#efebe7 " | 10:58 |
| daniels | works for me? | 10:58 |
| shaya | are you uptodate w/ dapper? | 10:58 |
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| daniels | yes | 10:59 |
| daniels | i'm not just saying that for fun | 10:59 |
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| shaya | I just rgrep'd /etc and /home/spotter no matches | 10:59 |
| seb128 | works for me too | 11:00 |
| sistpoty | shaya: do you have xrgb installed? | 11:00 |
| shaya | yes | 11:00 |
| shaya | dpkg --status xrgb | grep Status | 11:00 |
| shaya | Status: install ok installed | 11:00 |
| slomo | daniels: xrgb uses mcpp now? is it maybe related to this error? http://pastebin.com/430934 | 11:01 |
| shaya | when I run xrdb by hand it hangs | 11:01 |
| BenC | ok, usplash works for me now | 11:01 |
| shaya | nevermind | 11:02 |
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| shaya | seems to wait for input | 11:02 |
| shaya | ctrl-d closes it | 11:02 |
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| daniels | ... well, yes. | 11:02 |
| daniels | it doesn't magically just guess resources to merge for y. | 11:02 |
| daniels | slomo: don't worry about that error | 11:02 |
| shaya | anyways, the colors erroring on are no where to be found | 11:03 |
| slomo | ok, then i have no idea what causes this ;) | 11:03 |
| slomo | and it magically disappeared for me now... wtf | 11:04 |
| ogra | daniels, slomo, byciclerepair | 11:04 |
| daniels | ogra: herbivoroushelicopter | 11:04 |
| ogra | blbl | 11:04 |
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| daniels | i can concatenate words together too! ;) | 11:05 |
| daniels | if you're saying that bicyclerepair makes things break, it's installed here | 11:05 |
| ogra | no i mean the addon we had in hoary and breezy ... it keeps the vim63 directory undeleted ... | 11:05 |
| ogra | or kept | 11:05 |
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| ogra | not sure if it changed | 11:05 |
| daniels | well, it's installed here, and still wfm. | 11:06 |
| shaya | wonder if it has to do w/ xrgb 0.99.1-1 -> 0.99.2-0ubuntu | 11:06 |
| ogra | i had this error too... | 11:06 |
| Kamion | shaya: note that daniels uploaded both of those | 11:06 |
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| shaya | daniels: so to work around it, anyway I can set that resource? | 11:08 |
| daniels | shaya: i don't know man, so far I haven't seen any specific problem, or reproducible, just random apps complaining that they can't find colours | 11:09 |
| shaya | right, how can I fake it out | 11:09 |
| shaya | so that color is set | 11:09 |
| shaya | until I can spend time investigating it | 11:09 |
| daniels | poke in /etc/X11/rgb.txt, but you probably need an X server restart for this | 11:09 |
| shaya | ok | 11:10 |
| Nafallo | Keybuk: you should s/Resynchronise/Merge/ for your own uploads or something :-). that's less to write anyway ;-). | 11:12 |
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| Keybuk | Nafallo: it's in the changelog from mom | 11:12 |
| ogra | hmm, intresting, my mouse (touchpad) sensitivity has changed with the last upgrade ... | 11:13 |
| Nafallo | ogra: same here :-) | 11:13 |
| daniels | 'tis a kernel thing | 11:13 |
| ogra | yup | 11:13 |
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| shaya | figured out why I think | 11:17 |
| shaya | spotter@dent:~$ xprop -root |grep RESOURCE | 11:18 |
| shaya | RESOURCE_MANAGER(STRING) = "*Box.background:\t#efebe7 \n*Box.foreground:\t#101010 \n...... | 11:18 |
| shaya | any idea where that gets set from? | 11:18 |
| shaya | I'm also getting XKB errors on startup that led me in that direction | 11:18 |
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| shaya | the bug is in mcpp | 11:20 |
| shaya | mv mcpp mcpp.bak ; cp cpp mcpp ; restart x ; no more bug | 11:20 |
| shaya | xprop -root |grep RESOURCE | 11:20 |
| shaya | RESOURCE_MANAGER(STRING) = "*Box.background:\t#efebe7\n*Box.foreground:\t#101010\n....... | 11:20 |
| daniels | if you can file a bug with a complete diff of exactly what changes between cpp and mcpp, that would be useful | 11:24 |
| shaya | all I can tell is my xprop output | 11:30 |
| shaya | I'll try to file a bug w/ that later | 11:30 |
| shaya | need ot do some work right now, so dont wnat to restart X again | 11:30 |
| daniels | your call | 11:31 |
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| mdke | mdz, around? We're waiting for a nod or shake of the head from you on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13746 | 11:45 |
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| mdz | mdke: I'm very, very far behind on email at the moment | 11:53 |
| mdke | mdz, heh, ok sorry | 11:53 |
| mdz | I just got home last night and will be working through the backlog this week | 11:53 |
| mdke | good luck! | 11:53 |
| mdke | i can imagine | 11:54 |
| mdke | mdz, did you get over that illness ok? | 11:54 |
| neuralis | mdz: have a sec? | 11:55 |
| mdz | mdke: yes, I'm feeling ok | 11:58 |
| mdz | neuralis: regarding what? | 11:58 |
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| mdke | mdz_, mdz, clone yourself just in case, good thinking | 11:59 |
| neuralis | mdz, i suppose it doesn't need to be now -- when you get a chance, would you please look at the rewritten TestingServerHardware spec (high priority)? | 11:59 |
| mdz | my laptop just resumed from hibernate and had a client running | 12:00 |
| mdz | neuralis: sure, an email reminder would be great as I won't get to it today | 12:00 |
| neuralis | mdz, will send one now. thanks. | 12:00 |
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