=== daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@tvwna-ip-a-1.princeton.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont-away [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@richmond-209-163-125-175.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptolo [n=senko@83-131-70-121.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-235.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B0327.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] good night everybody [12:59] night === BenC [n=bcollins@richmond-209-163-125-175.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] man bugzilla is slow right now === spstarr_home [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck_ is now known as zul [01:20] daniels, ping [01:21] ogra: pong [01:21] daniels, i'm trying to preseed some xorg values for ltsp clients .... [01:22] namely i want to force 16 bit as default colordepth [01:23] hrm [01:23] in the setup script mdz calls dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive $xserver_package (where $xserver_package == xserver-xorg) [01:23] i don't think that's preseedable at the moment [01:23] oh, ok [01:23] actually, no [01:23] i tried to put preseed $xserver_package $xserver_package/config/display/default_depth "16" above ... nbut if the package doesntr recognize it anyway, nevermind... [01:23] just preseed xserver-xorg/cponfig/display/default_depth ... oh [01:24] it should only be resetting it if the seen flag is false, afaict [01:24] db_fget xserver-xorg/config/display/default_depth seen [01:24] if [ "$RET" = "false" ] ; then [01:24] db_set xserver-xorg/config/display/default_depth $DEFAULT_DEPTH [01:24] fi [01:24] although, right, it's reset if we're calling -reconfigure [01:25] cat you change that in one of the future versions ? its important for low end clients .. [01:25] err [01:25] not really [01:26] so what should i do ? [01:26] i mean, I don't think that will get called if you preseed autodetect_display=false [01:26] but then you, well, lose all the display autodetection [01:26] hmpf [01:26] i have a hard requirement that dpkg-reconfigure reset everything and do what people expect, from mdz [01:26] i could stick in an XORG_FORCE_DEPTH=16 variable if you liked [01:27] yeah, that'd be enough [01:27] the original ltsp does that by default ... i'm trying to find out why we need more than twice as much memory [01:28] and this seems to be one of the hogs... [01:29] it should be making a total of 4mb difference on 1600x1200 [01:29] thats much ... [01:29] and about 1.5MB difference on 1024x768 [01:29] i'm fighting for every MB currently [01:29] actually, wait, that's comparing to 8bpp [01:29] 786kb on 1024x768 [01:30] the lowest footprint i could get it working with is 40MB ... ltsp uses 32 [01:30] almost 2MB on 16x12 [01:30] so i still have to loose 8 meg === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] Hmm. Trying to get X to work with a 1920x1600 monitor === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [n=xhaker@84.90.60.192] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SKK|xhaker [i=leet@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-77-39-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SKK|xhaker [i=leet@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SKK|xhaker [i=leet@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EdLin [n=chacha@as5300-6.216-194-21-249.nyc.ny.metconnect.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EdLin [n=chacha@as5300-6.216-194-21-249.nyc.ny.metconnect.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === SKK|xhaker [i=xhaker@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SKK|xhaker is now known as xhaker === xhaker [i=xhaker@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uenyioha [n=uenyioha@c-24-3-243-231.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] could someone explain to me what this "special" gcc function call does _dl_allocate_tls...? === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] anyone knows what it does....im reading through linuxthreads code and came across it...i'd appreciate the help [04:36] ? [04:37] linuxthreads is poking tls stuff? [04:37] say bob2: thanks...but could you explain more [04:37] say bob2: or at least point to a URL [04:38] say bob2: i know it seems to be some sort of memory allocation at the least... [04:38] uh, your irc client seems to be broken === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] bob2: i know it seems to be some sort of memory allocation at the least... [04:39] bob2: sorry missed the slash [04:39] I have no idea what it does or what it is [04:40] bob2: ok thanks...i dunno....the most i can tell now is that it seems to be some sort of special gcc call... [04:44] ok..i see it now....its a linux call to allocate memory that is local to a thread [04:49] Kinnison; ? === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-232-61.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@tvwna-ip-a-1.princeton.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed_ [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-120-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] doko : ping [07:42] viviersf: just ask [07:42] just making sure you in [07:43] there has been in a problem in OO 2 since beta [07:43] if i open a big document [07:43] its just dies [07:43] have you filed a bug? [07:43] yes [07:43] yes, there are some bug reports ... [07:44] bob2, the bugzilla told me that my bug report does not have enough data [07:44] i really dont know where the problem is [07:44] but i could propably get you a doc that makes it crash if that would help [07:45] viviersf: yes, if you have such a document, it would be nice to attach it [07:46] kk [07:46] kk === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] 17:43 < stuporglue> I'm from Provo, UT, USA where Jeff Waugh was supposed to [07:50] speak tomorrow. [07:50] 17:44 < stuporglue> I'm hearing roumors that he's canceled his trip, and I was [07:50] wondering if there were anyone that could help me get ahold [07:50] of his wife for confirmation, or that knows if this is true. [07:50] anyone heard anything 'bout this? === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] ctd: he flew out of RDU on Saturday [07:57] ctd: I don't know his current itinerary === schweeb [n=chris@ubuntu/member/schweeb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] lamont-away, ping === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neuralis [n=ike@hagen.kdb.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jane_ [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] has everyone seen this review yet? It's very good and echos exactly how I feel about Breezy - I love it cos it just WORKS :) http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=645 [09:27] JaneW, tectonic might as well work for canonical with the reviews they write [09:27] not that that is a bad thing... [09:28] JaneW: There's an article in a Dutch computer magazine, giving it 9 points out of 10 (SuSE 10 gets 8), and they say "it's ready to take on windows, if enough people install it" === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-166-21.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] Treenaks: awesome === JaneW would totally recommend it to friends and family, whereas I hesitated with Hoary reckoning they'd need quite a lot of support and hand holding with it... [09:29] JaneW: now imagine Dapper [09:29] Burgundavia: yes I gather they do like Ubuntu (the idea of it) as well as the product [09:29] Treenaks: indeed! [09:30] JaneW, of course we have seen that tectonic article. It was on the Fridge a little while back :) [09:30] Treenaks: I hope your flight was good, I managed to NOT buy anything in MOntreal airport, but did some damage to my visa card in Schipol airport - that place just shouts BUY ME! ;) [09:30] robitaille: good, sorry I am just slow then ;) [09:31] JaneW: I only bought batteries for my MP3-player :) [09:31] JaneW: no, is shouts "DRR, BUY, FLY" :-) [09:31] s/DRR/SEE/ [09:31] Treenaks: and I tried purfumes until the shop assistant gave me a dirty look ;) So I 'smelled like a girl' like jdub does ;) [09:32] JaneW: LOL [09:32] JaneW, ouch [09:32] Mithrandir: hehe so it does - well it worked! [09:32] JaneW, I'm hearing roumors that he's(Jeff Waugh) canceled his trip. This true? [09:32] Burgundavia: he does! cvd bought him a women's deodorant ;) === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] Burgundavia: I heard an hour so so back that he is in Sydney, I don;t know anything else, or even if he is back sooner than expected... [09:33] If he's back now, that's much sooner than expected [09:41] oic, wonder what happened then... [09:44] it seems he was coming home a week early: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013043.html === martink [n=martin@p54B390ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] what's up with bugzilla? It's amazingly slow. === JaneW is trying to install dotproject (I really don't want to ever have to boot into windows again), I need to set up a web server to get dotproject to work properly, can anyone give me some pointers on how to do this? [10:01] any web server? Just install the apache2 package [10:02] Mithrandir: ok, will do [10:02] morning all [10:03] Hi sivang === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk_ [n=jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] JaneW, you played with planner? [10:09] pitti: hey Martin [10:10] Burgundavia: no, do you recommend it? === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] JaneW, I heard it is not all full featured as MS Project but nicer to use [10:11] JaneW, and it a gnome app, no need for a webserver and nasty PHP [10:11] Burgundavia: sounds good to me! I will check it out :) === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] night all === ompaul [n=ompaul@212.2.172.157] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] is bugzilla slow for other people too? [10:31] seb128: yes, I saw someone complain earlier [10:31] 09:54 < Mithrandir> what's up with bugzilla? It's amazingly slow. [10:31] 01:07 < mdke> man bugzilla is slow right now [10:31] k [10:31] so that's not only me :) [10:31] thanks [10:31] seb128: yep, for me too [10:32] yeah, after a few min I got the start page [10:32] let's search for a bug now :p === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-067-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] seb128: it's mostly changing stuff which is slow for me. Other things are just bugzilla-slow. [10:33] Mithrandir: here it's "take 2 min to load a page" slow [10:33] yeah, but it seems to only be for stuff which changes bugzilla for me. === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] anyway, I'm looking at the Merge Of Doom, so I don't mind ATM. [10:34] do we have some ftpmaster of buildd admin today? === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] I need syncs and to get some builds kicked === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] s/of/or/ === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] seb128: infinity should be back home, so I think so, yes [10:36] cool === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] uhm, dpkg-statoverride shouldn't be called from maintainer scripts, should it? === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-191-41.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] seb128: I can kick some builds for you ... [10:50] morning, Colin [10:50] morning [10:52] Kamion: hi. Giving a retry to libwpd would be nice, it's required to build abiword/gnumeric === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] <\sh> who is able to sync, when elmo is not around? [10:53] seb128: done [10:54] Kamion: thanks [10:54] \sh: mdz or I technically, but the state of the sync directory is currently weirding me out, so I'm refusing for the moment [10:54] elmo should be back today no? [10:54] oh, hang on, the sync directory is saner now [10:54] seb128: I should think so [10:54] go ahead with any urgent syncs, I think I can manage them [10:54] <\sh> ok...so i'm waiting for elmo... [10:54] Kamion: while you're at it... can you give-back gtksourceview-sharp, gtksourceview-sharp2 and seahorse if it's not too much of a problem? ;) [10:55] Kamion: I've some sync but that can wait for elmo, I'll ping you later if he's still not around === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] slomo_: done [10:56] Kamion: thanks :) === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] <\sh> seb128: btw...I updated to dapper yesterday evening...and now xchat doesn't show small tabs anymore..but it's enabled...is it more a font issue (bitstream sans mono) or can it be an xchat problem? [10:57] Kamion: I guess looking at the merge bugs in the "PENDINGUPLOAD" state would be a good list for stuff to sync. [10:57] Mithrandir: I'm not going to go out proactively looking for them, for the moment [10:57] Kamion: but then, no idea what's urgent about it, so I guess we can just wait for elmo [10:57] s/it/them/ [10:58] feel free to ping me with urgent ones, but otherwise I have other things to do. :) [10:58] and .. which of them ... [10:58] yup, I know. :-) [10:58] \sh: hum, why a font issue? I would say that's an xchat issue. Feel free to ping dholbach when he's around, he has worked on this update [10:59] <\sh> seb128: because I found a font issue in gnome-terminal...the font is not displayed as it was in breezy that's why I'm asking [10:59] is bugzillla dead? :) [11:00] sivang: not quite, but very slowish [11:00] mvo: ok, thanks [11:00] I can't access is either [11:00] s/is/if/ === chmj gives up === cain_ [n=cain@rrba-146-120-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] <\sh> dholbach: good morning.. [11:05] hellas! :) [11:05] hi \sh [11:06] <\sh> dholbach: I'll paste u my former statement to seb128 ... [11:06] <\sh> dholbach: \sh seb128: btw...I updated to dapper yesterday evening...and now xchat doesn't show small tabs anymore..but it's enabled...is it more a font issue (bitstream sans mono) or can it be an xchat problem? [11:06] \sh: I can reproduce :-P [11:06] \sh: no idea, will investigate [11:07] fwiw [11:07] <\sh> Nafallo: ah good to know :) [11:07] hmm p.u.c also doesn't respond. nice [11:07] <\sh> dholbach: thx :) [11:07] <\sh> dholbach: and gnome-terminal looks as well strange with this font issue [11:08] \sh: i think it's rather freetype [11:08] <\sh> dholbach: gnarf... [11:10] chmj: pong [11:11] doko: hi, about the java packaging, where do I get info on that [11:12] should be in the wiki, JavaRoadmap === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] <[-Jarod-] > hi everybody ! === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] <[-Jarod-] > i'm a 3rd year student in a french engineering school and I currently manage an open source project aiming to control dynamic lights for show [11:18] <[-Jarod-] > i work with c / c++ / glade [11:18] <[-Jarod-] > but I'm a complete beginner in c [11:18] <[-Jarod-] > i've installed gcc / g++ with apt [11:19] [-Jarod-] : you are better of by installing build-essential [11:19] [-Jarod-] : this channel is for developing ubuntu, not for developing applications. and what Nafallo says. [11:19] <[-Jarod-] > and a piece of open source code found on the net call a .h called "vlc.h" and i cannot found it [11:19] <[-Jarod-] > i know Mithrandir i know [11:19] [-Jarod-] : it's a user question; #ubuntu, but I think you're just missing libvlc0-dev [11:20] apt-cache search vlc dev shows you relevant info [11:20] <[-Jarod-] > thank you [11:20] <[-Jarod-] > that's all i need [11:20] <[-Jarod-] > sorry for disturbing you === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] could somebody look at preparing main inclusion reports for gdome2 and gmetadom? they're (build-)dependencies of gtkmathview, which was recently added to the archive for (iirc) abiword [11:31] Kamion: i can do that [11:32] thanks === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] Kamion : Thanks for driving wanna-build for sb. I'm in and out, alternately mucking with initramfs (yay, rebooting and no IRC), and trying to get over the cold/flu I seem to have developped from travelling. [11:43] s/sb/seb/ [11:43] np === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] Hi infinity [11:50] infinity: seems that everybody's health suffered from UBZ at some point :/ [11:50] pitti : I was fine during the conference, it was the flight home that seems to have killed me. [11:50] pitti : Or maybe it was the climate change when I got here. I dunno. [11:59] pitti: yes, I think the germs has also had a mini conf over UBZ.... [11:59] infinity: take vitamine C pills, they really help [11:59] infinity: that's how I got over my flu === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-120-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@243.Red-83-47-24.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jane_ [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] desrt: I was, unsurprisingly, asleep at 03:49 === zyga_ [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga_ is now known as zyga_mini === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neuralis [n=ike@hagen.kdb.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] carlos: ping [12:37] zyga_mini, pong [12:38] carlos: is there any progress with adding support for multiple templates per package (rosetta) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] zyga_mini, we already support multiple templates per package since long ago [12:39] zijev [12:39] zyga_mini, what do you want/need? [12:41] carlos: we do? [12:41] carlos: since when!? [12:42] zyga, since the first days [12:42] zyga, take a look to gtk+ [12:42] checking [12:43] this is great news :) === zyga_mini thought otherwise [12:44] carlos: care to show a url? [12:44] carlos: I see that there are two versions 1.2 and 2.0 [12:44] but I don't see multiple templates [12:45] zyga, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/gtk+2.0/+translations [12:46] hmm [12:46] thanks I'll look into this [12:47] carlos: and any (non distro) product can have multiple templates? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] zyga, yes, it's the same [12:47] thanks, sorry to bother you with inexistent problems :-) === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] isolinux is giving me a headache. for some reason I can't get current dapper i386 CDs to boot, even though I undid all the isolinux fiddling I experimentally tried [12:55] Kamion: did those inclusion reports... gmetadom wanted to have findlib as build-dep too, so 3 reports :) [12:55] gtkmathview fun! :) [12:55] dholbach: pitti will need to approve them [12:55] Kamion: sure [12:55] hm, but these images boot fine in qemu. WTF [12:55] yes, I'll process the queue again today === Mithrandir read that as gmetadon and went wtf? [12:57] BenC: *sigh* when can we test the 2.6.15 crack? :) [12:57] Mithrandir: hahaha :) [12:58] dholbach: would be a nice name for a tool which removed crack, but not much else, really. [12:59] pitti: well, it failed to build ... [12:59] right, that's what I meant [12:59] (just tickling) === Robot101 is now known as telepathy === telepathy is now known as Robot101 [01:02] ajmitch_: just uploaded a merged cron with SELinux support :) [01:07] damnit, I've just wasted four hours on what turned out to be something like a dirty DVD drive :( === Kamion bangs head on desk === dholbach comforts Kamion and gives him a tea === fabbione hugs Kamion === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] hardware just sucks. [01:09] Hey jbailey [01:09] emulate it all in software [01:09] Mithrandir: in the matrix? [01:09] Heya Martin, Tollef & everyone else. [01:09] hiya Jeff [01:12] hey jbailey [01:13] Heya Fabio === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [n=danten@h215n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [01:23] chmj: why did you merge aalib rather than requesting a sync? the version in Ubuntu was identical to the base version in Debian === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] (and I noted that in the changelog for the benefit of whoever next looked at it) [01:24] Kamion: didn't notice that [01:25] chmj: please be more careful; now we have to wait for the next Debian upload before we can come back into sync [01:25] which is annoying because the Debian maintainer of aalib is one who occasionally goes through Ubuntu changes and remarks on them publicly in his blog [01:26] Kamion: ok === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60712.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F984.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] hey Keybuk [01:43] bella Scott [01:43] heyhey [01:44] Keybuk: I don't think I've told you before, but mom's a godsend. [01:45] heh, did it get a merge right? [01:46] Keybuk: do you know what modprobe does to take such a long time on boot? http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/dapper-20051112-1.png === Lathiat laughs [01:46] Hi Keybuk [01:46] Keybuk: or that's usplash? [01:47] not sure, it could be the modprobe of everything on the PCI bus [01:47] or it could be the modprobe of framebuffer things [01:47] I'd guess from its location that it's the former [01:47] Framebuffer modprobing doesn't take anywhere near that long [01:47] That'll be stuff being loaded in the initramfs. No idea why it's taking so long, though [01:47] interesting ski-slope up at the top there [01:48] yeh i was thinking that [01:48] seb128: Is your usplash exiting before init starts? === Lathiat looks at his [01:48] Kamion: isn't it ... I have one of those later in the boot sequence [01:48] seb128: you could try booting in single mode, then you will see a detailed output [01:48] hrm my modprobe is pretty quick there [01:48] Keybuk: does udev use 'modprobe --quiet' anywhere (as opposed to 'modprobe -q')? if so, it'll need the same change that I made to hotplug yesterday [01:48] liek 2-3 s [01:49] (I know hotplug is dying, but I want to make d-i work) [01:49] mjg59: yep [01:49] I wonder if the ski-slope thing is an artifact of the logger [01:49] Kamion: udev doesn't use modprobe yet, though it'll have to I guess; what change did you have to make? [01:49] mjg59: I thought it was going to timeout or something [01:49] Keybuk: s/--quiet/-q/g [01:49] er - what loads modules in the NWO then? [01:49] heh, it should've been -Q [01:49] seb128: It times out after 15 seconds of not getting any messages. And it's not getting any messages from that modprobe [01:49] "NWO" ? [01:49] Keybuk: it usually makes my work a lot less painful. Does it now save the Debian versions, so we won't be affected if snapshot.d.n dies again? [01:49] new world order [01:50] udev will do [01:50] Keybuk: busybox modprobe doesn't support -Q [01:50] what does -Q do? it's not documented in modprobe(8) here [01:50] elmo: procps sync please, ubuntu override ok [01:50] On the bright side, once init starts we seem to be in pretty constant io blockage [01:50] Kamion: it's one our patches to module-init-tools to make it silent [01:51] I'm also not convinced that busybox modprobe does aliases usefully, so I might have to switch back to module-init-tools for the moment [01:51] (sigh) [01:51] yeah I strongly suspect busybox modprobe won't cut it [01:51] it'll need both alias and blacklist support [01:52] it does seem to have some alias support, by grep [01:53] not blacklist though unless it won't match grep -i blacklist [01:53] "by grep" ?! :) [01:53] as in, 'grep -i alias' in the source suggests it has some alias support [01:54] so it wouldn't handle an alias like "pci:d*s*..." then?? === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] oops, bit of baz-finger on the ? there [01:54] Keybuk: no, it doesn't use grep internally [01:54] I meant *I* was using grep [01:54] ohh [01:54] rather than actually reading and understanding the source [01:54] heh [01:55] does it look like it supports the blacklist keyword? === ogra cruses gnome-screensaver uptream for reinventing the wheel ... [01:55] ogra: which wheel? [01:55] Keybuk: no [01:55] chmj: you could have asked a sync for aalib [01:55] seb128: I mentioned that to him above [01:55] Kamion: example: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [01:55] Keybuk: anything I can try to reduce the modprobe blocker so? [01:55] seb128: find out what it's doing :) [01:56] make it log with timings to a file in /dev [01:56] Kamion: k. I've asked a sync 3 days ago but since no elmo around ... :) [01:56] Keybuk: the word "blacklist" doesn't appear anywhere in the source. Anything else I should be looking for? [01:56] Keybuk: is there an easy way to do get this log? [01:56] Treenaks: a square one, probably. [01:56] Treenaks, if you want to see the xscreensaver hacks in gnome screensaver you have to create a .desktop file for the config and description ... it should just use the available xml file for that ... its ahell lot of work to adapt all the configs [01:56] seb128: edit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions and make it log :) [01:56] ogra: ouch [01:56] yup [01:56] Kamion: the word would be sufficient as it's a config keyword [01:57] Keybuk: thanks [01:57] and there is no visible advantag in this scheme anywhere... i dont knwo what they think they'll gain with this .. [01:58] ogra: probably an fd.o "how to register a screensaver" spec [01:59] Keybuk, but you still need additional configs, it only holds name, description (which is not shown anywhere in the gui) and the command to run... [01:59] ogra: not the different options etc.? [01:59] nope [01:59] *headdesk* [01:59] heh [01:59] I read that gss aren't planning to have options-per-hack [01:59] but instead if you want different options, you make a new description file for it [02:00] nop, that's a point of the FAQ [02:00] anyway, i'm done with converting the ubuntu default set for now [02:00] Keybuk: urgh... [02:00] ogra: did you send him a mail asking about it? [02:00] mvo, i will ... for now i just wanted to have the hacks working, so we have screensavers to get bugs for [02:02] pitti: 20050713/totem_1.1.2-0ubuntu6_translations.tar.gz ... what the heck? [02:02] pitti: current archive version is 0ubuntu3, how can the translation be 0ubuntu6? [02:02] totem | 1.2.0-0ubuntu3 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages [02:03] pitti: ups, 1.1.2 is not 2.0 [02:03] seb128: 1.1.2 is ages old [02:03] pitti: yeah, but that's the data rosetta has [02:03] carlos: continue here with pitti :p [02:04] well, then this is carlos' problem :) [02:04] I got a bug saying that 5.10 has no translation for "Sidebar" [02:04] and the 1.2.0 tarball has it [02:04] rosetta mention 1.1.2-0ubuntu6 [02:04] pitti, people's tarball say that latest is the ubuntu6 [02:04] s/people's/people.ubuntu.com/ [02:05] ./20050922/totem_1.2.0-0ubuntu3_i386_translations.tar.gz [02:05] ./20050912/totem_1.2.0-0ubuntu2_i386_translations.tar.gz [02:05] ./20050906/totem_1.2.0-0ubuntu1_i386_translations.tar.gz [02:05] ... [02:05] seb128, wait.... [02:05] seb128, is it 1.1.2 vs 1.2? [02:05] then it's my fault [02:05] I got confused [02:05] carlos: yep [02:06] carlos: page says 1.1.2 but current is 1.2.0 [02:06] seb128, please file a bug and I will look into it this week [02:06] k, thanks [02:07] carlos: another point, rosetta refuse to send me mails, is that a known issue? I've asked for a po some hours ago and no mail, my email works fine [02:07] pitti: re: 2.6.15, for some reason there was a build failure for 2.6.15-1.1, and the build log doesn't even explain why, just something about zddevlist.h generation [02:07] pitti: looking into it now [02:07] thanks === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] seb128, I got an email for a download request an hour ago or so.... [02:08] it built fine in the breezy chroot, so I'm wondering if it's dapper related [02:08] seb128, so no, it's not a know bug [02:08] seb128, would be possible a problem with spamassassin? [02:08] carlos: should I ping some launchpad guy about this? [02:09] carlos: I doubt so, let me look [02:09] BenC: be careful that the buildd go for make -jN [02:09] BenC: so perhaps the error is way before the end [02:09] fabbione: no, it's zddevlist.h, make shows error for that target [02:09] for i386 and amd64 builds [02:09] ah ok [02:09] seb128, anyway, ask stub, I'm not able to debug that [02:10] BenC: well if you plan an upload, it would be wise to pre-upload k-p with your ppc patches and bump the build-deps [02:10] carlos: hum, sorry, it got redirected to an another of my mailbox [02:10] is awk something I can expect by default? [02:10] BenC: at least we can get ppc to [02:10] carlos: I'll just fill the totem outdated bug for today so [02:10] yeah, I can do that [02:10] carlos: thanks :) [02:10] BenC: iirc mawk is installed, but not gawk [02:10] maybe it doesn't like mawk [02:10] seb128, ;-) [02:11] BenC: will the next linux-restricted-modules upload include the 'new' madwifi driver? is anyone already working on that (I want to avoid work duplication) [02:11] I can't touch l-r-m [02:11] siretart: -> infinity [02:12] oh. thanks for pointer === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D013D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] carlos: #4486 [02:12] infinity: will the next linux-restricted-modules upload include the 'new' madwifi driver? is anyone already working on that (I want to avoid work duplication) [02:12] ;) [02:12] seb128, thanks [02:14] yep, it's mawk [02:14] There's a close to working open atheros driver [02:14] doesn't like the awk script that generates zddevlist.h for zd1211 driver [02:14] The zd1211 driver is on so much crack [02:14] annoying [02:14] I've cleaned it up a bit to get it compiled [02:15] mjg59: could you give me pointers to this 'close to working open driver'? is it based on madwifi? [02:15] Oh, do we actually ship the zd1211 firmware? [02:15] siretart: Yes [02:15] Keybuk: do you want to merge hdparm yourself to take the new udev changes into account? [02:15] BenC: is there any reason why we need to generate that include at build time? [02:15] Keybuk: otherwise I assign it to me and wait for the new udev [02:15]