[06:27] <blueyed> The styleguide linked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGuide is a 404..
[06:42] <Madpilot> blueyed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide
[06:50] <blueyed> Madpilot: should the link be updated/fixed?
[06:51] <Madpilot> it should, but I'm not sure which URL to put there instead
[06:52] <Madpilot> because the URL I just provided isn't actually the Style Guide, it's about the thing...
[07:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, ping
[07:43] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: pong
[07:44] <Burgundavia> someone else responding asking if they could join us tomorrow night for the website redesign talk
[07:44] <Madpilot> fine with me
[07:44] <Burgundavia> you got that google map linky?
[07:44] <Madpilot> give them the usual Google Maps URL for directions, tell them 7:30
[07:46] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=975+Ridgeway+St,+Saanich+BC&iwloc=A&hl=en
[07:48] <Burgundavia> cheers
[07:48] <Madpilot> np
[07:50] <Burgundavia> I think we are only expecting one other person
[07:52] <Burgundavia> looks like we are only expecting one other person to join us
[07:52] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille 
[07:52] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia 
[07:53] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[07:53] <robitaille> Hello Madpilot 
[07:54] <robitaille> so I guess you are stepping on some toes for the vlug web  site :)
[07:54] <Madpilot> I've actually finally joined that mailing list, just caught Corey's last reply to Andrew Willard
[07:55] <Burgundavia> robitaille, no I am not
[07:55] <Burgundavia> I am merely moving something forward
[07:55] <Burgundavia> VLUG is about as active as a dead slug
[07:56] <robitaille> totally agree.  But it's interesting that suddently there is already a web redesign commitee after you suggest the idea.
[07:56] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:56] <Burgundavia> likely there has been a committee for a while
[07:56] <Burgundavia> but they have done nothing
[07:56] <robitaille> and all the plans for an install fest were there, but not pubvlic until you suggested it
[07:56] <Madpilot> commitees tend to hang around...
[07:56] <Burgundavia> too late for us to get into Monday, I might add
[07:56] <Burgundavia> I tried today
[07:57] <Madpilot> robitaille: one thing Burgundavia is good at, is sh*t disturbing... ;)
[07:57] <robitaille> I prefer the more polite " he is the guy with good ideas" :)
[07:58] <Madpilot> same thing
[07:58] <Madpilot> :P
[07:59] <Burgundavia> sometimes it has to be
[07:59] <Burgundavia> it all depends on how it is approched
[08:00] <Madpilot> hmmm... the VLUG site front page and the "About VLUG" page are identical, except for their URLs...
[08:02] <Burgundavia> I wonder if we can move the entire VLUG site to a mediawiki install
[08:02] <Burgundavia> ala Tango, go-mono, etc.
[08:03] <Madpilot> who actually hosts it?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> we have a server hosted in town
[08:28] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, what did you think of my mad mediawiki idea?
[08:33] <Madpilot> for VLUG?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> ya
[08:35] <Madpilot> mediawiki strikes me as overkill - there are simpler CMS/wiki systems
[08:35] <Burgundavia> true
[08:35] <Burgundavia> but we might want to look at something like that
[08:36] <Madpilot> sure
[08:36] <Madpilot> http://www.opensourcecms.com/ <-- live trials of a whole pile of CMS/wiki/blog packages
[08:56] <rob1> yeah that site is pretty good
[09:10] <mdke> blueyed_, i'll fix that styleguide link later, sorry. in the meantime you can find it on help.ubuntu.com
[09:12] <mdke> actually I'll fix it now
[09:12] <blueyed_> mdke: Thanks. Just wanted to mention it anyway and didn't know how to fix it myself.
[09:12] <mdke> blueyed_, it should be working now
[09:13] <rob1> whats the go with the "online/offline application that helps the users according to answers to simple questions"? 
[09:14] <rob1> over-engineering?
[09:14] <rob1> (was on the meeting agenda for this week)
[09:15] <Madpilot> rob1: added by "PierreSlamich" who has no wikipage...
[09:15] <rob1> oh hmm..
[09:16] <mdke> indeed
[09:16] <rob1> I think the effort would be better spent giving ubotu an acl
[09:16] <mdke> seems to me that he's asking for a guide
[09:16] <mdke> which is already in Breezy
[09:17] <rob1> yeah people are blind, we really should market our docs better (although the comp might help towards that aim)
[09:17] <mdke> yes we can do more marketing i suppose
[09:18] <rob1> but then, the documentation project is still young, so you can't expect heaps
[09:18] <mdke> well we marketed on the forums, the fridge and all major mailing lists
[09:19] <rob1> yeah
[09:19] <rob1> I guess users are used to ignoring onboard help
[09:19] <mdke> marketed in inverted commons
[09:19] <mdke> and there is also a link on the frontpage of the wiki
[09:19] <mdke> the only place we can do more is ubuntu.com
[09:20] <rob1> yeah I put that on there
[09:20] <mdke> and that will change when the new website comes out
[09:21] <rob1> I was speaking to bob2 from #ubuntu a while back, he mentioned one thing that would help is if we had better anchors on the online versions so they could link to them better, maybe something to keep in mind for dapper
[09:22] <mdke> don't the anchors work?
[09:22] <rob1> all we have to ensure is that we name our sections etc with easily understood names rather then the internal-style references we used
[09:22] <mdke> ah i see
[09:22] <mdke> fair enough
[09:22] <rob1> they do, but "fg-blah-blah-something" is ugly, it would better off just being "java
[09:22] <rob1> "
[09:23] <mdke> yes i see that
[09:23] <rob1> maybe something that needs to be in the style guide?
[09:23] <mdke> could be
[09:24] <rob1> <-- this Unix/Linux guy just got moved to a Windows helpdesk/sysadmin roll today
[09:24] <Burgundavia> you poor bastard
[09:25] <rob1> I had someone teaching me a few windows command-line tricks today just to save my sanity
[09:25] <rob1> by 3pm I was nodding off
[09:25] <rob1> cya mdke 
[09:44] <bhuvan> just an off-topic question: how can we create a new channel in freenode.net ? 
[09:44] <bhuvan> looking to create a new channel for my local linux user group
[09:44] <robitaille> just join it
[09:45] <bhuvan> oh, ok. if it doesnt exist, it will be created ?
[09:45] <robitaille> I think so.
[09:45] <bhuvan> oh, ok
[09:45] <Burgundavia> to make it permanent, you need to contact freenode staff and get it registered
[10:17] <rob1> bhuvan, no, you need to use chanserv to register it
[10:17] <rob1> then get on the freenode website and fill out the contact info etc forms
[10:18] <rob1> the forms are only just information for the freenode staff about your chan and yourself incase they have any problems or you want to set up hostmasks etc
[10:35] <bhuvan> ok
[12:59] <bhuvan> mdke, rob: ping
[04:04] <sladen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeamTemplate?action=info  somebody here has deleted this Template 2 weeks ago and replaced it with a redirect to an old template, which they've then restored
[04:04] <sladen> are ther ebackups of what the template looked like before 2005-11-02
[05:33] <dholbach> hellas
[08:04] <mdke> hi dholbach 
[08:05] <mdke> sladen, someone deleted it and also managed to delete all its history, no idea how. Corey then restored it from another page I believe, and inserted a redirect
[08:12] <sladen> ah.  they ended up the wrong way around
[08:12] <sladen>  /Template should be dead
[08:13] <sladen> and Template should be the template
[08:13] <sladen> wonder if I can find a recent laptop entry and claw it back from that
[08:17] <mkde> dholbach, still here?
[08:17] <mkde> i have some network issues
[08:17] <dholbach> yes