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| zul | the new system of a down is gooooood.. | 01:39 |
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| zul | hmm... | 02:22 |
| zul | Linux bart 2.6.15-1-686 #1 SMP Sun Nov 13 11:44:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux | 02:22 |
| zul | couple of hardware regressions on my laptop though | 02:23 |
| zul | ipw2200 couldnt load the firmware and usplash didnt work | 02:23 |
| BenC | usplash worked for me on my laptop and G4 | 02:28 |
| BenC | is that the buildd build? | 02:28 |
| zul | my own build | 02:29 |
| BenC | from my git? | 02:29 |
| zul | my git | 02:29 |
| BenC | but I mean does it have all the stuff from my git tree? | 02:29 |
| zul | no wait...hmm...just a sec.. | 02:29 |
| zul | yeah | 02:29 |
| zul | yours and mine | 02:30 |
| BenC | any messages in kern.log about unresolved symbols in any modules? | 02:35 |
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| fabbione | hmm how do you cherry pick with git? | 07:40 |
| fabbione | mjg59: ping? | 08:51 |
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| mjg59 | fabbione: Hi? | 12:23 |
| fabbione | hey | 12:24 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i was looking at one commit Ben did on .12 | 12:24 |
| fabbione | after breezy release | 12:24 |
| fabbione | * external-arch-i386-kernel-reboot_reboot-thru-bios: Remove | 12:24 |
| fabbione | i assume this was coming from you | 12:24 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 12:24 |
| mjg59 | We added a DMI patch to only do it on the machines that needed it | 12:24 |
| fabbione | is it a whishlist for dapper or something absolutely important for breezy? | 12:25 |
| mjg59 | Some machines in Breezy don't reboot | 12:25 |
| mjg59 | Dropping that patch would probably fix them | 12:25 |
| fabbione | ok so it is not even sure it will fix the problem, right? | 12:25 |
| mjg59 | I don't have any of the hardware concerned | 12:26 |
| fabbione | ok | 12:26 |
| fabbione | than i will kill the change | 12:26 |
| fabbione | if it was sure and important i would have snicked in for -security | 12:27 |
| fabbione | but given the status i will keep it as it is from breezy | 12:27 |
| fabbione | there might be a -update for breezy anyway | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: iirc, Karianne's laptop (HP something) doesn't reboot cleanly, so I guess I can have her test it. | 12:28 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: No, that one works now | 12:29 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: oh, ok | 12:30 |
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| zul | BenC: sorry my wife was in a pissy mood last night and decided to take it out on me | 03:33 |
| BenC | that's what wives are for | 03:33 |
| zul | yeah so uspalsh doesnt work for me on my laptop | 03:34 |
| BenC | any messages about vga16fb loading? | 03:51 |
| zul | didnt see.. | 03:55 |
| zul | ill have to check tonight when my laptop is powered back up | 03:56 |
| BenC | ok | 03:58 |
| jbailey | Is the git in dapper useful for upstream kernel trees now? | 04:17 |
| zul | well it was announced on lkml | 04:20 |
| jbailey | Which it, sorry? | 04:22 |
| jbailey | I don't follow lkml all the time. | 04:23 |
| BenC | jbailey: 0.99.x is suggested | 04:25 |
| BenC | 0.99.8 is what I have | 04:25 |
| BenC | 0.99.9 something or other is latest | 04:25 |
| BenC | I don't use cogito though, so I can't answer any questions about that :) | 04:25 |
| jbailey | Oh? What do you use/ | 04:26 |
| BenC | just the git-* commands | 04:30 |
| jbailey | But not packaged? | 04:30 |
| BenC | fabbione: ping | 04:32 |
| BenC | jbailey: not sure, but I don't think so | 04:33 |
| jbailey | 'k | 04:33 |
| === jbailey wonders if its worth packaging. | ||
| BenC | fabbione said he was going to do it | 04:34 |
| BenC | cogito contains the git commands, so maybe he was just going to update that | 04:34 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Didja, didja, didja? huh huh huh? | 04:35 |
| jbailey | =) | 04:35 |
| jbailey | BenC: The linux-libc-header guys have been using a separate svn for their 'user abi' headers. I'm going to try and push them into using git and also keep that tree available. | 04:36 |
| jbailey | Easier to merge the pieces that probably actually ought to be, and easier to track new changes. | 04:36 |
| BenC | yeah, would make things a lot easier | 04:37 |
| zul | jbailey: im trying to package it | 04:58 |
| jbailey | zul: Cool. Do you need help? | 04:58 |
| jbailey | ROAR | 05:06 |
| jbailey | "GIT 0.99.9i aka 1.0rc2 is found at usual places." | 05:06 |
| jbailey | Is a stupid line to have at the top of an announcement mail. | 05:06 |
| fabbione | BenC: pong | 05:06 |
| BenC | fabbione: re the reboot patch, it was tested by users | 05:06 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok.. it will wait -updates if we will ever do one | 05:07 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | New git tree for dapper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 2.6.15-rc1-ubuntu2 uploaded (should build for x86, amd64, and ppc) | ||
| zul | jbailey: not really its my first real debian package so its best that i learn how to do it and get you to look over it | 05:09 |
| BenC | zul: did you use debmake? :) | 05:09 |
| zul | nope | 05:09 |
| fabbione | BenC: did you actually uploaded k-p too? | 05:10 |
| === BenC remembers those days | ||
| BenC | fabbione: yeah, and build-dep's on it | 05:10 |
| fabbione | coooool | 05:10 |
| fabbione | if i can get somebody to build a breezy ppc d-i for me | 05:10 |
| fabbione | i might even get my powerbook to install | 05:10 |
| BenC | I'm trying to convince my wife to let me dual-boot ubuntu on her g5 so I can some extra testing there | 05:11 |
| zul | BenC: i bought a new hard drive for my wife on condition that she dual boots | 05:11 |
| fabbione | BenC: you have a ppc or two, rigth? | 05:11 |
| BenC | I need to get an amd64 machine so I can test boot that...I hate just saying "it built" | 05:11 |
| jbailey | zul: Fair 'nuff. | 05:11 |
| jbailey | zul: Are you updating cogito or just doing git? | 05:11 |
| BenC | fabbione: two G4's (one my desktop) and a G5 | 05:11 |
| fabbione | ah | 05:12 |
| fabbione | BenC: you just offered volunteer to do a d-i build for me | 05:12 |
| fabbione | because i can't believe in 36 hours into my ppc experience and i still can't install linux :) | 05:13 |
| BenC | you can't install breezy? | 05:13 |
| fabbione | BenC: are you running breezy? | 05:13 |
| fabbione | BenC: no | 05:13 |
| fabbione | apple did change PCI IDs on the latest powerbooks | 05:13 |
| BenC | yeah, breezy with dapper kernel (oooh, aaah, bad) | 05:13 |
| fabbione | so now on davis | 05:13 |
| fabbione | i have a .12 with the patch | 05:13 |
| doko | BenC: can silo be built with something newer than gcc-2.95? | 05:14 |
| fabbione | the kernel and udebs are already built | 05:14 |
| fabbione | doko: silo is already building with gcc-4.0 | 05:14 |
| fabbione | BenC: i need to build d-oi | 05:14 |
| BenC | doko: not last I checked | 05:14 |
| fabbione | d-i | 05:14 |
| fabbione | but davis has no B-D | 05:14 |
| fabbione | and nobody around that can install them | 05:14 |
| BenC | not sure I can do that in a reasonable time frame | 05:15 |
| fabbione | BenC: so would it be possible for you to build it for me? | 05:15 |
| doko | fabbione, BenC: *lol* | 05:15 |
| BenC | oh, it only breaks on sparc32 with newer gcc, so ubuntu can do that :) | 05:15 |
| fabbione | re: silo has been fixed to build with gcc-4.0 by David | 05:15 |
| BenC | fabbione: oh, right, I need to merge that patch into silo | 05:16 |
| fabbione | BenC: the d-i build takes like 15 minutes.. please | 05:16 |
| === BenC has been a bad upstream for silo for like 4 months now | ||
| fabbione | i really really want to try to install this machine | 05:16 |
| doko | ok, thanks, one compiler less ... | 05:16 |
| BenC | fabbionne: it's not the build, it's all the stuff I have to download :) | 05:16 |
| fabbione | BenC: it's 3 udebs | 05:16 |
| BenC | really? | 05:16 |
| fabbione | yes | 05:17 |
| BenC | email me the specifics of what I need | 05:17 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:17 |
| BenC | I'm used to the old installer build I guess, where it needed a mostly complete base mirror | 05:18 |
| fabbione | nah | 05:20 |
| fabbione | it downloads some stuff from the net | 05:20 |
| fabbione | but not much | 05:20 |
| fabbione | BenC: you got mail | 05:22 |
| fabbione | dude if you can get that done asap, i am going to put one portrait of you in my personal "Heros of my life" section in the temple | 05:23 |
| zul | jbailey: just git | 05:31 |
| jbailey | zul: git itself appears to have debian packaging already in it. | 05:35 |
| BenC | fabbione: ok, as long as it's atleast an 8x10 portrait | 05:36 |
| fabbione | BenC: ehhehe | 05:39 |
| BenC | sweet, kernel-package is built, so 2.6.15-2.2 should follow soon | 05:43 |
| BenC | fabbione: at the very least, if I can get my e3k up this weekend, I can atleast do some builds for 2.6.15 kernels | 05:44 |
| BenC | the builds go pretty fast when you can through 6 cpu's and 6gigs of ram at it | 05:45 |
| BenC | s/through/throw/ | 05:45 |
| fabbione | eheh i know | 05:48 |
| fabbione | i have been building security kernels on a 2 x dual core amd64 with 8GB of ram today | 05:49 |
| fabbione | pretty fast | 05:49 |
| zul | jbailey: yeah i know fabbione said it sucked | 05:51 |
| zul | fabbione: pretty fast?!?! | 05:52 |
| zul | thats a bit of an understatement | 05:52 |
| fabbione | as everything else that has a debian/ dir upstream | 05:52 |
| fabbione | zul: it did start swapping approx 512MB with make -j750 | 05:52 |
| fabbione | = the sucks | 05:52 |
| fabbione | with -j500 was okish | 05:52 |
| zul | heh...can i give you my ssh key ;) | 05:53 |
| fabbione | give it to Mithrandir | 05:53 |
| fabbione | it's his playtoy | 05:54 |
| zul | hmmm.. | 05:54 |
| zul | im off to lunch | 05:55 |
| jbailey | Lunch sounds like a lovely idea. | 05:55 |
| zul | with meat ;) | 06:05 |
| fabbione | thai vegetarian ++ | 06:06 |
| fabbione | jbailey: that resturant was really nice.. | 06:06 |
| fabbione | i wouldn't mind to go there again | 06:07 |
| fabbione | BenC: you can stop build d-i (if you started) | 06:43 |
| BenC | you have it? | 06:53 |
| fabbione | yes | 06:53 |
| BenC | ok | 06:53 |
| fabbione | i got Znarl to install b-d on davis | 06:53 |
| BenC | ok, cool | 06:55 |
| jbailey | BenC: Got a moment for a stream of git questions? | 07:01 |
| BenC | sure | 07:01 |
| jbailey | I'm looking at putting lkh into git. What I've noticed others have done is have a working branch and then a branch marked "for-linus" or some such for merging back in. | 07:02 |
| jbailey | Are those truly just branches in the same .git file? | 07:02 |
| jbailey | Or do they turn into multiple repositories that get merged back and forth? | 07:02 |
| BenC | same .git/ | 07:05 |
| BenC | you can merge from head to a branch, and branch to head | 07:06 |
| BenC | all in the same repo | 07:06 |
| jbailey | Okay, cool. | 07:06 |
| BenC | so you can cherry-pick commits from head, into the branch, and do a pull request to linus, or whatever | 07:06 |
| jbailey | Okay. | 07:07 |
| jbailey | When doing commits, is it hard to go back afterwards and break things into better changesets? | 07:07 |
| jbailey | At this point I need to just get it done, but I'd like to go back afterwards and start to split things up into changes that I think would be accepts back upstream, and changes that haven't a hope of going in. | 07:08 |
| BenC | well, let's say you do a large commit, then later you want break it down into smaller ones... | 07:08 |
| jbailey | Right. | 07:08 |
| BenC | first you'd rebase the commit to the head (make the chageset against the latest code, instead of your older branch point) | 07:08 |
| BenC | then you could pull the diff, and revert the changeset | 07:09 |
| BenC | and re-apply into changesets as needed | 07:09 |
| BenC | it's not very straight forward, but it is possible | 07:09 |
| jbailey | Okay, so it does understand the concept of "take this changeset out". Cool. | 07:09 |
| BenC | but if you have commits that depend on the large one, it gets ugly fast | 07:09 |
| BenC | yeah | 07:09 |
| jbailey | Since it's just futzing with include files, it shouldn't be too bad for now. | 07:10 |
| BenC | the commit still shows in the log, but the revert does too | 07:10 |
| jbailey | I'm sure they're probably used to that from folks new with the tool. =) | 07:10 |
| BenC | yeah, I have a few reverted commits in the ubuntu tree :) | 07:11 |
| jbailey | Argh, I think I'm still confused. | 07:16 |
| jbailey | So for my code that is never intended for Linux, I can just commit this to my checkout, yes? | 07:16 |
| jbailey | s/Linux/Linus | 07:16 |
| jbailey | Then when it comes time to hand changesets back, do I make a new branch then? | 07:17 |
| BenC | yes | 07:19 |
| BenC | you can make a branch at any time | 07:19 |
| BenC | best to pull things into the branch just after you check them into the head | 07:19 |
| zul | dont do what i did | 07:23 |
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| jbailey | Actually. | 07:39 |
| jbailey | Does that include getting up this morning? | 07:39 |
| jbailey | I could've avoided that easily enough. | 07:39 |
| BenC | I tried to avoid it, but the rest of the house wasn't having it | 07:54 |
| dilinger | i managed to put it off for a few hours | 07:59 |
| dilinger | hm | 08:07 |
| dilinger | looks like we're skipping breezy on our desktop systems at work :/ | 08:08 |
| BenC | going straight to dapper? :) | 08:11 |
| dilinger | probably | 08:11 |
| dilinger | the problem is, we're running sarge on our servers, and dealing w/ the differences between gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0 is a pain | 08:12 |
| dilinger | w/ our in house software | 08:12 |
| dilinger | oh well | 08:12 |
| zul | jbailey: i didnt branch and that probably fucked things up | 08:19 |
| zul | actually i dont remember what i did | 08:20 |
| jbailey | dilinger: Is that going straight to dapper in 6 months, or is that, "Whee, let's ride the rollercoaster" on the way there? | 08:21 |
| dilinger | jbailey: ooh, rollercoaster? | 08:24 |
| jbailey | dilinger: Minor C++ abi transition, kernel update. glibc update, you know. The little things. | 08:29 |
| dilinger | oh | 08:29 |
| dilinger | going straight to dapper in 6mo | 08:29 |
| dilinger | sticking w/ the same gcc/libc6 for now | 08:29 |
| dilinger | my boss was actually talking about "breezy for sarge" | 08:30 |
| dilinger | recompiling most of breezy against the older gcc/libc6 | 08:30 |
| jbailey | Might not work in the case of the C++ bits. | 08:32 |
| jbailey | Sounds like what you might want is a breezy server with a sarge chroot for now. | 08:32 |
| dilinger | yea | 08:32 |
| dilinger | i recommended the chroot | 08:32 |
| dilinger | but it's just easier to stick w/ hoary for now | 08:32 |
| dilinger | than to change how people work | 08:33 |
| jbailey | It's all good. | 08:40 |
| jbailey | The whole point of the long support cycle is to let you choose when to upgrade. | 08:41 |
| jbailey | You're only in trouble if you're still running warty and can't upgrade soonish. | 08:41 |
| jbailey | Do oldworld macs use PCI? I thoguht they did. | 08:42 |
| jbailey | The only thing I think that the "SCSI drivers built into kernel" guy on u-d should need is to set his /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf to MODULES=dep | 08:42 |
| jbailey | infinity: ^^ | 08:42 |
| jbailey | infinity: I'll let you take that so that I actually can start pretending like initramfs-tools isn't mine anymore. =) | 08:42 |
| dilinger | jbailey: the main problem is all the backporting i'm going to have to keep doing | 08:45 |
| jbailey | dilinger: Hmm. The automatic backports and stuff aren't enabled for Hoary? | 08:47 |
| dilinger | there's automatic backports? | 08:47 |
| dilinger | i remember mako talking about the idea at UDU, but.. | 08:48 |
| jbailey | I thought that it got done. I might be mistaken, though. | 08:49 |
| jbailey | I know that there's supposed to be something crazy with backports going on/. | 08:49 |
| fabbione | dilinger: remembet also that we don't support hoary -> dapper upgrades. You might have to jump via breezy anyway | 09:03 |
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| zul | later | 09:42 |
| dilinger | fabbione: given how badly the 2 hoary->breezy upgrades went for me, i'm not that concerned :) | 09:44 |
| fabbione | badly? ;) | 09:45 |
| dilinger | yea | 09:45 |
| fabbione | badly how? | 09:47 |
| dilinger | #19477, #19478 | 09:47 |
| dilinger | that was for my upgrade | 09:47 |
| dilinger | a coworker did an upgrade that failed in various other places, but i couldn't file bugs because he needed his machine | 09:47 |
| fabbione | -ENOBUGZILLA atm | 09:48 |
| dilinger | misc packages that were missing conflicts/replaces | 09:49 |
| fabbione | from within main? | 09:50 |
| fabbione | or from universe? | 09:50 |
| dilinger | main, i believe | 09:52 |
| dilinger | i'd have fixed them myself if i had some sort of upload privileges; they seem like easy fixes | 09:53 |
| dilinger | instead i just fixed them in a local repository | 09:53 |
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| BenC | mjg59: ping | 11:08 |
| BenC | mjg59: just filed a bug report on usplash, it needs to load softcursor.ko first to work with 2.6.15, and the module path changed | 11:09 |
| dilinger | ok | 11:13 |
| infinity | BenC : It does?... I just upgraded to 2.6.15 here, and usplash worked. | 11:30 |
| infinity | BenC : Or is this PPC specific, perchance? | 11:31 |
| BenC | no, this was i386 | 11:31 |
| BenC | it may "work", but it's broken early on | 11:31 |
| infinity | BenC : Also, if you're not yet aweare, the ipw2200 driver is looking for firmware named 'ipw-2.4-*', but we're shipping 'ipw-2.3-*'... A quick rename and my wireless worked again. | 11:31 |
| BenC | the first load attempt in the usplash initramfs script doesn't work because fbcon.ko needs softcursor.ko | 11:32 |
| infinity | \o/ | 11:32 |
| BenC | infinity: yeah, that's next on my list | 11:32 |
| infinity | I'll look into the usplash issue. | 11:32 |
| infinity | Was this with vga16fb? | 11:32 |
| infinity | Maybe I dodged the bullet with vesafb. | 11:32 |
| BenC | doesn't matter if it's vga16fb or vesa | 11:33 |
| infinity | Oh, also, damn you. You didn't switch to the New World Order of update-initramfs in your postinst. | 11:33 |
| BenC | I tried both | 11:33 |
| infinity | But we can fix that on your next ABI bump. | 11:33 |
| BenC | heh, yeah, I forgot :) | 11:33 |
| BenC | almost every upload between now and near 2.6.15 release will be an ABI bump | 11:33 |
| infinity | I assumed as much. | 11:34 |
| BenC | but other than ipw2200 it worked ok for you? | 11:34 |
| infinity | We'll have a ridiculously high ABI magic number in the package names. | 11:34 |
| infinity | Oh well. | 11:34 |
| infinity | Yeah, it's working okay right now. | 11:34 |
| infinity | Too early to say it's working "well", but it hasn't crashed yet. | 11:34 |
| BenC | it atleast booted, so that's promising | 11:34 |
| infinity | <nod> | 11:34 |
| infinity | I guess today will have to be LRM day for me. | 11:35 |
| BenC | inifinty: oh, and damn you, I've been watching family guy every night since I got back, trying ot watch them all :) | 11:35 |
| infinity | Especially if you want to update the linux-meta package. | 11:35 |
| BenC | productivity killer | 11:35 |
| infinity | Family Guy is good for the soul. | 11:35 |
| BenC | yeah, that would be nice | 11:35 |
| BenC | I have a machine that needs nvidia | 11:35 |
| infinity | Legacy or newskool? | 11:36 |
| infinity | I can always go for some testing. | 11:36 |
| BenC | fairly new | 11:36 |
| infinity | Zofia's machine is a 6800GT, so it can use both drivers. But I'd love a "legacy-only" machine to get some testing. | 11:36 |
| BenC | 0000:02:04.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] (rev c1) | 11:36 |
| BenC | not sure what's considered legacy, but that may be it | 11:37 |
| BenC | it's a mame machine, so I can give it some good testing :) | 11:37 |
| infinity | Not quite legacy yet, no. | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | nope, I think you need to have GF2MX or older. | 11:37 |
| infinity | Might be in another year. | 11:37 |
| infinity | But your machine can run both drivers, so you can do some testing of that setup for me. | 11:38 |
| === infinity ponders. | ||
| infinity | I wonder if I'm going to have to wait for jbailey's glibc/lkh upload, followed by the new X building correctly, before I can update the ATI shit to something shiny and new. | 11:38 |
| infinity | Oh well, I can do nvidia at any rate, and build for the new kernel. | 11:39 |
| BenC | definitely, I'll test whatever I can | 11:41 |
| infinity | Hrm, core hours start in 15 minutes. Guess I should find some breakfats before I start working for real. | 11:45 |
| infinity | Or, some breakfast. | 11:45 |
| dilinger | nice fatty bacon? :P | 11:46 |
| infinity | Or some fat breaks. | 11:48 |
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| dilinger | are those like beats? | 11:50 |
| infinity | Well, like breakbeats, sure. | 11:52 |
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