| Tonio_ | dholbach: let's see what happens.... | 12:03 |
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| allee | yes, other apps, other users/same apps and don't forget the bad guys and symlink attacks | 12:03 |
| raphink | ic | 12:03 |
| allee | raphink: nice is 'rm -rf /tmp/kimrm -rf /tmp/kim' # assume a strange mind made /tmp/kim a link to your home dir | 12:08 |
| raphink | lol | 12:08 |
| allee | raphink: well, as is the tools will fails a security review miserably (when a novice like me is able to find the holes) | 12:11 |
| raphink | well it's not a matter of packaging here | 12:12 |
| raphink | it's rather a pb with the upstreaming dev | 12:12 |
| crimsun | gah, good thing I hadn't synced cppunit yet | 12:12 |
| allee | raphink: yes, but as a pkger you should do your best to not deliver a pkg that has knows security bugs | 12:13 |
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| raphink | ok allee | 12:14 |
| raphink | if I am able to find them | 12:14 |
| allee | raphink: yes | 12:17 |
| allee | but as is kim is not ready IMHO to be distributed by any distribution | 12:18 |
| allee | pity :( | 12:18 |
| raphink | ok | 12:20 |
| Kyral | why is gnome-volume-manager being removed in the latest batch of updates? | 12:25 |
| crimsun | because you're chomping at the bit? | 12:25 |
| Kyral | well, I don't use GNOME to begin with... :P | 12:25 |
| Kyral | I think I should reinstall Ubuntu-Desktop... | 12:26 |
| Kyral | or Xubuntu-Desktop | 12:26 |
| Kyral | well something broke Ubuntu-Desktop | 12:29 |
| raphink | allee: did you report the security issues ? | 12:30 |
| allee | writing a comment right now for kde-apps | 12:31 |
| allee | raphink: but I ponder if better write it in private ... Any security guy listening? | 12:31 |
| raphink | lol | 12:32 |
| allee | raphink: no I'm serious! | 12:32 |
| raphink | y? | 12:33 |
| crimsun | malone has a facility for marking bugs private. | 12:33 |
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| allee | crimsun: kim is not uploaded yet | 12:34 |
| crimsun | is it on REVU or something? | 12:34 |
| allee | raphink: is it? | 12:35 |
| raphink | not yet | 12:35 |
| raphink | I've just finished it | 12:35 |
| raphink | and as I'm waiting for my key to be added to the keyring | 12:35 |
| raphink | I couldn't upload it yet | 12:35 |
| Kyral | crimsun, consider me another tester for Xubuntu | 12:37 |
| crimsun | Kyral: everyone's a prospective tester ;-) | 12:37 |
| crimsun | btw, it really helps if you use your real names in your irc clients | 12:37 |
| Kyral | okay, brb | 12:39 |
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| Kyral | better> | 12:40 |
| crimsun | thanks. | 12:41 |
| allee | raphink: what's our e-mail? I'll send a private msg for now and would like to add you to cc to help keep an eye on it | 12:45 |
| raphink | allee: raphink[at] gmail[dot] com | 12:45 |
| allee | thx | 12:45 |
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| bur[n] er | has anyone packaged the latest thunar snapshot? | 12:48 |
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| dholbach_ | good night everybody | 12:59 |
| crimsun | bur[n] er: it's on REVU | 01:00 |
| crimsun | I'll get to it tonight | 01:01 |
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| allee | nite | 01:17 |
| raphink | thanks for the email allee | 01:24 |
| allee | np | 01:24 |
| raphink | anyone working on ksquirrel so far? | 01:24 |
| bur[n] er | right on crimsun, thanks! | 01:26 |
| raphink | night | 01:27 |
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| Kyral | yahoo, new XChat | 02:45 |
| Kyral | brb :D | 02:46 |
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| Kyral | How do I get usplash to display the xubuntu artwork instead of the ubuntu artwork...hmmm | 02:54 |
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| Kyral | hey slomo_ | 03:05 |
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| Kyral | Quick question, if gnome-core gets removed, then effectively GNOME is gone? | 03:35 |
| bmonty_laptop | Kyral: apt-cache rdepends gnome-core | 03:36 |
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| Kyral | I was looking for a way to get ridda GNOME anyway :D | 03:36 |
| Kyral | I meant does it remove it from GDM :P | 03:37 |
| crimsun | Kyral: you need to install xubuntu-artwork-usplash, then rerun sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) | 03:37 |
| minghua | Kyral: If you install gnome-core by aptitude, then likely yes | 03:37 |
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| Kyral | crimsun, I did that after nuking the 5 other kernels in my /boot | 03:38 |
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| crimsun | note that splash is only active for the first entry. | 03:38 |
| crimsun | but that's not really relevant here | 03:38 |
| Kyral | was just looking for a way to purge the DE while keeping stuff like Epiphany and Evolution | 03:38 |
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| Kyral | btw the Xubuntu splash is nice | 03:44 |
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| zakame | heya | 06:22 |
| polpak | hi | 06:23 |
| \sh | moins | 06:23 |
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| crimsun | hum. Are the binaries of 'gnome-games' supposed to be setgid? | 06:49 |
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| zakame | wow centericq's config.*'s are fairly outdated | 06:54 |
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| minghua | crimsun: if you mean "upstream's intention" by "supposed", then yes | 07:09 |
| minghua | crimsun: it's for writing the game records in /var/lib (or somewhere) | 07:10 |
| minghua | crimsun: upstream thinks it's ugly, too | 07:10 |
| crimsun | minghua: ok, then it being broken on my system is probably related to my not having dist-upgraded yet | 07:10 |
| crimsun | (libgksuui1.0-1 and all) | 07:11 |
| crimsun | minghua: I was going to ask elmo to sync cppunit, but apparently there are additional allocator changes for libstdc++, so I'm waiting, since it's one of the packages affected | 07:12 |
| Yagisan | motus out of curiosity how many of you are subscribed to debian's dsa list ? | 07:13 |
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| Lathiat | crimsun: yeh they are setgid games right? | 07:14 |
| Lathiat | crimsun: to write out high score files | 07:14 |
| Lathiat | bah | 07:14 |
| zakame | oops, wrogn chan | 07:14 |
| Lathiat | i need to stop replyign to things before i read the rest of the window :) | 07:14 |
| Lathiat | Yagisan: i am | 07:14 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: I am | 07:15 |
| Yagisan | how much effort is it to pinch a fix for sarge and apply it to breezy ? | 07:15 |
| crimsun | "depends" | 07:15 |
| minghua | crimsun: oh sure, of course should wait for libstdc++. thanks for remembering this :-) | 07:16 |
| Yagisan | as I just noticed another sec update for uim | 07:16 |
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| crimsun | Yagisan: that has already been fixed in Ubuntu | 07:18 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: bmonty sent the debdiff; pitti applied it | 07:18 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: is that the same error I reported to malone ? I thought it was a new one | 07:19 |
| crimsun | https://launchpad.net/malone/3328 ? | 07:20 |
| crimsun | the changelog from uim (1:0.4.7-1ubuntu1.1) breezy-security reports it as such | 07:20 |
| crimsun | CVE-2005-3149 http://bugs.debian.org/331620 | 07:20 |
| crimsun | so yes. | 07:20 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: yep that's it | 07:21 |
| crimsun | a few of us already discussed it last week | 07:21 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: I was mildly concerned I needed another update | 07:21 |
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| minghua | Yagisan: it's not a bug that affects a lot of things anyway | 07:22 |
| minghua | For official ubuntu, it only affects mlterm-im-uim users | 07:22 |
| Yagisan | minghua: yes, but it is on one of my servers, so I thought I would double check | 07:24 |
| minghua | Yagisan: yeah, sure. it's never too safe when it comes to servers :-) | 07:25 |
| Yagisan | minghua: Although uim is breaking a lot of other apps. perhaps I should bulk import the ubuntu japan scim repo | 07:26 |
| Lathiat | yeh thats because its breaking apps using libstdc++5 right | 07:27 |
| Lathiat | cus it links to stdc++6 and is preloaded | 07:27 |
| minghua | Yagisan: what Lathiat said | 07:27 |
| Lathiat | not sure if theres really any way around that | 07:27 |
| minghua | Yagisan: use GTK_IM_IMMODULE=xim to work around it | 07:28 |
| minghua | Lathiat: there is. :-) | 07:28 |
| Yagisan | didn't help :( | 07:28 |
| Yagisan | just a sec, I'll see if I can find my malone bug | 07:28 |
| minghua | I've never used uim though, I only know uim also has GTK immodule, so this is just guessing | 07:29 |
| Yagisan | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amule/+bug/3187 | 07:29 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug #3187: Amule fails to start after installing Japanese input support Fix req. for: amule (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3187 | 07:29 |
| \sh | leaving for office | 07:29 |
| Yagisan | but I get that in other apps too. Is that because of libstdc++5 ? | 07:30 |
| Yagisan | What's ubugtu ? | 07:31 |
| crimsun | it's a bot that retrieves bugzilla and malone info | 07:31 |
| crimsun | you've already seen it in action, so I don't need to trigger it again | 07:31 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: Can I get it to do that without knowing my bug number ? | 07:32 |
| minghua | Yagisan: Hmm, it may not be the same bug, as the backtrace doesn't seem to involve libstdc++ | 07:32 |
| Yagisan | minghua: breaks sun java too, but that's not too important | 07:33 |
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| crimsun | Ubugtu xastir | 07:33 |
| minghua | Yagisan: but if the apps you are talking are acroread 7, firefox/mozilla from mozilla.org, then it's 99% the libstdc++ mismatch bug | 07:33 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: I don't think so, but I don't know. | 07:33 |
| minghua | I suppose Java mean's Sun's java, then add it to the above list | 07:33 |
| Yagisan | minghua: nope, with exception of sun java, and my deng work - all my apps are in the ubuntu repos | 07:33 |
| minghua | Strange. I suppose nothing in breezy links to libstdc++5, right? | 07:34 |
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| Yagisan | minghua: some things do | 07:35 |
| Yagisan | minghua: but I don't have libstdc++5 installed | 07:35 |
| minghua | Yagisan: oh, okay, if you don't have libstdc++ 5 then forget about it | 07:36 |
| Yagisan | minghua: "apt-cache rdepends libstdc++5" gives a rather long list | 07:36 |
| minghua | Yagisan: out of curiousity, is synaptic in it? | 07:37 |
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| Yagisan | minghua: no, not hat I can see | 07:38 |
| Yagisan | s/hat/that | 07:38 |
| minghua | Hmm, so uim is not that robust in breezy either | 07:38 |
| minghua | Yagisan: yeah, maybe you should try the ubuntu-ja packages then | 07:39 |
| Yagisan | minghua: OK, I'll prepare for a recursive wget, and feed it all into my pbuilder. Then change to scim and see what happens | 07:40 |
| Yagisan | minghua: I'm sure they will love me for it O:-) | 07:40 |
| minghua | Yagisan: the ubuntu-ja people don't have uim? | 07:41 |
| Yagisan | minghua: need to check the repo again | 07:41 |
| Yagisan | minghua: nope - they seem to have gone with a scim-prime setup | 07:42 |
| minghua | my Japanese is apparently not good enough to find the ubuntu-ja archive though google | 07:42 |
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| Yagisan | minghua: http://www.ubuntulinux.jp/download/ | 07:43 |
| Yagisan | minghua: my Japanese is pretty crap actually. | 07:44 |
| minghua | Yagisan: yeah you are right, they don't have uim | 07:47 |
| minghua | which surprises me a bit | 07:48 |
| minghua | Yagisan: so what IM are you using? Anthy? | 07:48 |
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| Yagisan | minghua: right now uim, I tried scim on breezy, but it didn't work | 07:48 |
| Yagisan | minghua: uim-anthy | 07:49 |
| minghua | Yagisan: okay, then use the scim-anthy in ubuntu-ja, you should feel at home | 07:49 |
| Yagisan | minghua: yourself ? | 07:49 |
| minghua | Yagisan: no I don't speak Japanese at all :-) I use scim-pinyin | 07:49 |
| Yagisan | minghua: honestly, as long as the IM is consistent in Gnome, KDE, and the console, I don't care what I use | 07:50 |
| Yagisan | minghua: my goal is to set it up as easy as the Win2K IM | 07:50 |
| Yagisan | minghua: which is what my users compare it too | 07:50 |
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| Yagisan | minghua: are you using breezys scim ? | 07:52 |
| minghua | Yagisan: no, I still use hoary | 07:53 |
| minghua | and a dapper chroot if that matters | 07:54 |
| minghua | Yagisan: you are probably going to be disappointed when you find out that scim doesn't work in console | 07:55 |
| minghua | IMO the IMs in linux still have a long way to go compared with Win2K IM | 07:56 |
| Yagisan | minghua: hmm, it may be hard to do this then " cd projects//my_packages" | 07:57 |
| minghua | Yagisan: do it in an X terminal :-) | 07:57 |
| Yagisan | minghua: that probably reads something like sheep for you doesn't it ? | 07:58 |
| minghua | in Chinese that's goat-something | 07:59 |
| Yagisan | minghua: cool, you are the first Chinese speaker that has read that back as goat to me :) | 08:00 |
| minghua | I can only recognize the kanjis, not the hiraganas | 08:00 |
| Yagisan | minghua: It's Mr Goat :) or in romaji Yagisan | 08:00 |
| minghua | so "Yagi" is goat, I see | 08:01 |
| Yagisan | minghua: yep, I must have reminded my wife of one | 08:02 |
| minghua | In chinese goat and sheep are quite similar, not much metapohric meanings | 08:02 |
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| Yagisan | minghua: that may explain why people say it is "mountain sheep" | 08:03 |
| minghua | but I suppose it's a little bit different in English, although I'm not exactly how | 08:03 |
| Yagisan | minghua: Well, apparently I act somewhat like one, and when unshaven look like one | 08:04 |
| minghua | Yagisan: Ha. So you didn't know "mountain sheep" means "goat"? | 08:04 |
| Yagisan | minghua: maybe I'm a literal person, but mountain sheep look different to goats | 08:06 |
| minghua | Yagisan: the character "" is literally "mountain", both in Chinese and Japanese (I believe) | 08:06 |
| Yagisan | minghua: yes it is | 08:07 |
| minghua | to be fair, though, "" means not only sheep in Chinese | 08:07 |
| Yagisan | minghua: yes, but by itself, that is hitsuji - sheep | 08:07 |
| Yagisan | minghua: or as I refer to them - lamb cutlets :-P | 08:08 |
| minghua | it's just the *cough* stupid *cough* English has a word for each gender for animals :-P | 08:08 |
| minghua | ah, you reminded me, add a new word for each type of meat, too | 08:09 |
| Yagisan | minghua: hey, some languages use different words depending on if the speaker is male or female | 08:09 |
| minghua | Yagisan: that I have no problem with, but English is not a language with gender after all | 08:10 |
| Yagisan | minghua: apparently my Japanese sounds like a woman Japanese, I wonder why O:-) | 08:10 |
| Yagisan | minghua: so would you like lamb or mutton, when you visit the sheep and goat farm. Avoid the rams, and pat the ewes :) | 08:12 |
| minghua | Ouch! Apparently my vocabulary isn't that great either | 08:13 |
| === minghua go look up mutton and ewe | ||
| Yagisan | minghua: mutton is meat from an old sheep | 08:13 |
| Yagisan | minghua: ewe is a female sheep | 08:13 |
| crimsun | argh | 08:14 |
| Yagisan | minghua: sorry - I tried to see how many different words I could find for essentially the same thing | 08:14 |
| minghua | Yagisan: thanks. | 08:14 |
| crimsun | more library name changes - ANOTHER cxx transition | 08:14 |
| crimsun | (thankfully it's nowhere as invasive) | 08:15 |
| crimsun | oh whew, this is the d-d-a mail :-) | 08:15 |
| minghua | at least this time it will be synchronous with debian | 08:15 |
| crimsun | yeah | 08:16 |
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| minghua | I wonder how long will it take to have the new gcc build on all Debian arches | 08:18 |
| Yagisan | back soon - going out shopping | 08:19 |
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| Victor | what is the difference between 'ubuntu maintainers' ,'ubuntu developer' and 'ubuntu members'? | 08:34 |
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| Victor | ??? | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | Victor, ubuntu members are people who have been approved by the community council. To become a member, you must simply do something for Ubuntu or be active int eh community. You don't need to be a developer | 08:37 |
| Victor | Is the leader of each team appointed by community council or self-appointed? | 08:37 |
| Victor | If want to be a member,membership need to be appointed. maintainers need to be appointed,too? | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | main and universe uploaders need to be approved by the Technical board | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | they must already be ubuntu memebers | 08:38 |
| Victor | You mean other maintainer except main and universe uploaders need not to be approved? | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | those are the only maintainers | 08:41 |
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| Burgundavia | not that main also means you can upload to restricted and universe also means multiverse | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | s/not/note | 08:42 |
| mr-russ | Victor: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU will tell you about how to become a member. | 08:42 |
| Victor | what does 's/not/note' mean? | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | I made a typing mistake | 08:43 |
| Victor | :) | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | it means replace "not" with "note" | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | the context is s(earch for)/(a string)/(and replace it with this string) | 08:44 |
| mr-russ | vi syntax. | 08:44 |
| Victor | I see.thanks | 08:45 |
| Nafallo | I would rather call it regex :-) | 08:45 |
| Yagisan | It's sed :) | 08:46 |
| zakame | s#regex#regular expression# # this is a comment | 08:46 |
| Victor | Who is the chairman to Community Council now?sabdfl? | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 08:46 |
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| Victor | How many kinds of role are there in our community?maintainer,developer,and ...... | 08:51 |
| crimsun | "you can be anything you want to be" | 08:51 |
| zakame | crimsun: indeed | 08:52 |
| Victor | Yes.What I want to know is roles defined clearly by community.For example,maintainer,developer and so on.And the two roles need to be appointed. | 08:54 |
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| Victor | that is to say,both developer and maintainer ,the two role,need to be appointed by Technical board? | 08:58 |
| zakame | yep | 08:59 |
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| janimo | anybody want to revu thunar? thanks | 09:01 |
| Victor | in the webpage http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/techboard,I find: Appointments to the board are made by Mark Shuttleworth subject to confirmation by a vote amongst the maintainers. developers couldn't vote? | 09:05 |
| Lathiat | i beleive its all members | 09:07 |
| Lathiat | but not sure | 09:07 |
| Nafallo | nope. it's everyone in the launchpad group ubuntu-dev | 09:09 |
| Nafallo | for cc it's ubuntu-members | 09:09 |
| Nafallo | is there a difference between maintainer and developer in this case? | 09:11 |
| schweeb | Victor: there's a pretty clear list on the wiki | 09:11 |
| Victor | schweeb:Would you please tell me the detailed link? | 09:13 |
| Victor | Nafallo:I want to know,too. :) | 09:13 |
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| Nafallo | what's the subject? who is in each team? | 09:13 |
| Nafallo | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-[members,dev] | 09:14 |
| schweeb | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/ read all the subpages... it usually tells you who can vote for what, etc... | 09:14 |
| schweeb | and TB approval includes all members, afaik | 09:14 |
| Nafallo | maintainer = packager, developer = codemonkey. in that case there is no diffrence in Ubuntu AFAIK. | 09:15 |
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| schweeb | the term "developer" may be more aimed at maintainers for main, those who affect main | 09:15 |
| Nafallo | schweeb: no, -dev. CC includes all members. | 09:15 |
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| schweeb | ahh | 09:15 |
| Nafallo | that's core developers | 09:16 |
| Nafallo | not developers :-) | 09:16 |
| Nafallo | launchpad makes this distinction. | 09:16 |
| Lathiat | really should just be "member" shouldnt it? | 09:16 |
| Lathiat | because ubuntu members are generallyu such people | 09:16 |
| Lathiat | that contribute | 09:16 |
| Nafallo | what should just be "member"? | 09:17 |
| slomo_ | hi Nafallo | 09:17 |
| Nafallo | morning slomo :-) | 09:17 |
| slomo_ | Nafallo: did you compile 2.6.15 by hand already? :P | 09:18 |
| Nafallo | slomo: naah, I'm lazy. | 09:18 |
| Nafallo | thought you knew that? ;-) | 09:18 |
| slomo_ | sure | 09:19 |
| slomo_ | btw, do you want something new to package? | 09:19 |
| slomo_ | against your lazyness :P | 09:19 |
| Nafallo | not now. I got load on the system ;-). | 09:19 |
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| polpak | Nafallo, is the nvidia-cg-toolkit already in Dapper universe? | 09:20 |
| Nafallo | after those DVD-Rs are about I may :-) | 09:20 |
| Victor | in the webpage http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/council,it wrote:The Chairman of the Community Council is yet to be determined.Isn't sabdfl our chairman? | 09:20 |
| Nafallo | W: Unable to locate package nvidia-cg-toolkit | 09:20 |
| Nafallo | E: No packages found | 09:20 |
| polpak | Hrm.. We talked yesterday and you said you built ogre-1.0.5, but I'm pretty sure the cg toolkit is a dependancy | 09:21 |
| Nafallo | I'm pretty sure it is not :-) | 09:21 |
| polpak | What options did you use to configure the build for ogre? | 09:22 |
| crimsun | janimo: getting there eventually, just need to finish office stuff | 09:22 |
| slomo_ | bll | 09:22 |
| slomo_ | bbl | 09:22 |
| Nafallo | same as debian | 09:23 |
| Nafallo | http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/ogre | 09:23 |
| polpak | I can't see on that page what options are used. | 09:25 |
| Nafallo | nope, but you download the .diff.gz | 09:25 |
| Nafallo | (diff, our changes against the tarball) | 09:26 |
| janimo | crimsun, ok thanks | 09:26 |
| janimo | just maybe others want to contrib as we need 2 votes | 09:27 |
| polpak | the tarball is the original source for ogre? | 09:27 |
| Nafallo | yes | 09:27 |
| polpak | k | 09:27 |
| polpak | Bleh, I stand corrected | 09:28 |
| polpak | Now to hope and pray it gets backported soon =) | 09:29 |
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| lucas | hi | 10:13 |
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| lucas | ajmitch_: you around ? | 10:43 |
| lucas | \sh: hi | 10:43 |
| lucas | I saw you started working on some tools for motu | 10:43 |
| sivang | \sh and siretart and bmonty_laptop were working on it yesterday, I think | 10:43 |
| lucas | I think we should work on something bigger, including other scripts too | 10:44 |
| lucas | ajmitch_ said he already had some of those scripts himself, and he would release them | 10:45 |
| \sh | lucas: when he's back home he will do it | 10:48 |
| siretart | hi folks | 10:48 |
| siretart | hi lucas | 10:49 |
| \sh | moins siretart | 10:49 |
| siretart | lucas: have you already seen \sh and my motu-tools bzr repository? | 10:49 |
| siretart | huhu \sh! | 10:49 |
| lucas | yes, saw that | 10:50 |
| slomo_ | hi siretart, \sh and everybody else ;) | 10:50 |
| lucas | but I think other scripts are needed too | 10:50 |
| siretart | lucas: of course, just write them ;) | 10:50 |
| lucas | yes, I already did for some of them | 10:50 |
| lucas | but the problem is : maybe we did some synchronization ;) | 10:51 |
| \sh | lucas: where are they so we can have a look? | 10:51 |
| lucas | not public yet | 10:52 |
| lucas | but I'll work on that today | 10:52 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 11:05 |
| slomo_ | hi dholbach | 11:06 |
| dholbach | hey slomo | 11:06 |
| siretart | salute daniel! | 11:07 |
| dholbach | hi siretart | 11:07 |
| lucas | \sh: what did you use to write the ChangeLog in motu-tools ? | 11:09 |
| lucas | just plain text editor ? | 11:09 |
| \sh | lucas: emacs | 11:10 |
| lucas | \sh: we could maintain this as a native debian package and use debian/changelog | 11:11 |
| \sh | lucas: no | 11:11 |
| lucas | ? | 11:12 |
| \sh | upstream and debian/dir will be different things... | 11:12 |
| lucas | they don't need to | 11:12 |
| lucas | why should they ? | 11:12 |
| \sh | lucas: they will | 11:12 |
| \sh | lucas: because we will provide some other tools for motus and mains which are not debian related | 11:14 |
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| lucas | erm | 11:14 |
| lucas | for example ? | 11:14 |
| \sh | lucas: some tools are launchpad related, others are using only dpkg or other tools, or smart which is also not debian related | 11:14 |
| lucas | well | 11:15 |
| \sh | lucas: lpbugs.py has nothing to do with debian or ubuntu...it can be used for everything which is in launchpad | 11:15 |
| lucas | then maybe "motu-tools" is not a good name ;) | 11:15 |
| \sh | lucas: well...think about dapper +1 | 11:15 |
| lucas | ? | 11:16 |
| lucas | I haven't read the whole thread about dapper+1 RM | 11:16 |
| \sh | lucas: when there is smart coming...smart is the ultimative tool for AAAALLLL package based distros...even rpm based ones | 11:16 |
| \sh | ,) | 11:16 |
| \sh | moment... | 11:16 |
| \sh | real work | 11:17 |
| lucas | ah | 11:17 |
| lucas | haven't heard of it | 11:17 |
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| juliux | (herzi) dholbach: ping | 11:27 |
| dholbach | juliux/herzi: pong | 11:28 |
| juliux | (herzi) dholbach: libgoffice-1-dev needs to depend on libgnomeoffice2.2-dev | 11:28 |
| juliux | (herzi) dholbach: libgoffice-1-dev needs to depend on libgnomeprint2.2-dev | 11:28 |
| dholbach | right | 11:29 |
| juliux | can you fix it please? | 11:29 |
| dholbach | don't worry, i'll look into it later | 11:30 |
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| \sh | grmf | 11:44 |
| \sh | I had to fight now with the county administration of northrhine westfalia..because of my blogweb.de | 11:44 |
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| Seveas | \sh, why? | 11:58 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: Police State Germany? | 11:59 |
| sivang | \sh: why so? what did they want from you? | 12:00 |
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| \sh | siretart: because my imprint wasn't correct, but this was only one thing to get hold of another guy, which has a blog about security and privacy worldwide..and someone called those guys anonymously to denunciate me and my friend | 12:19 |
| \sh | oh sivang i mean | 12:19 |
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| \sh | actually I asked those guys, if we have again the 3rd reich | 12:20 |
| zyga_mini | hello folks | 12:20 |
| StrikeForce | can someone tell me where the gpl shortened version for the copyright file is located? | 12:21 |
| Treenaks | in the large version of the GPL :) | 12:21 |
| Treenaks | oh wait | 12:21 |
| StrikeForce | I remember seeing a section of whats needed to be added because the license is included with ubuntu | 12:22 |
| StrikeForce | like not the whole version but just some paragraphs | 12:22 |
| dholbach | /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/licenses/gpl | 12:22 |
| StrikeForce | thanks :) | 12:23 |
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| StrikeForce | that strace script thats in the debian maintainers guide those deps are build deps only right? | 12:48 |
| dholbach | StrikeForce: hm? | 12:48 |
| StrikeForce | dholbach: do you know the one I'm talking about? | 12:49 |
| dholbach | no, i'm absolutely not sure, what you're talking about :) | 12:49 |
| StrikeForce | dholbach, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-copyright | 12:49 |
| dholbach | sorry :) | 12:49 |
| StrikeForce | the 2nd bunch of code is the strace script it 'finds' deps | 12:50 |
| StrikeForce | however some of those deps from what I can see are in the base ubuntu and kubuntu packages | 12:50 |
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| lucas | \sh and others: I've added my scripts to motu-tools | 01:02 |
| lucas | see http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ | 01:02 |
| lucas | (you can bzr branch/merge too) | 01:02 |
| lucas | example output for ruby packages here : | 01:05 |
| lucas | http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/du-versions-ruby.html | 01:05 |
| \sh | uh | 01:06 |
| \sh | why ruby...why not python :) | 01:06 |
| slomo_ | lucas: how does your script get the packages to look at? i.e. in this case the ruby ones? i want such thing for the mono stuff :P | 01:07 |
| lucas | because I'm in MOTURuby ;) | 01:07 |
| lucas | see the first url | 01:07 |
| lucas | pkglist_from_rdepends.bash | 01:07 |
| slomo_ | lucas: thanks :) good work | 01:08 |
| lucas | sladen: README.lucas details the steps to get to the HTML output | 01:08 |
| slomo_ | lucas: i'm not sladen :P | 01:09 |
| lucas | sorry | 01:10 |
| slomo_ | np :) | 01:10 |
| slomo_ | that happens to everybody ;) | 01:10 |
| slomo_ | lucas: i'll test it with mono stuff this evening and report any problems to you ;) | 01:11 |
| lucas | there's a problem with dpkg --compareversions | 01:11 |
| slomo_ | hm? | 01:12 |
| lucas | file:///home/nussbaum/motu-tools/du-versions-ruby.html | 01:12 |
| lucas | see alexandria in the output ? | 01:12 |
| slomo_ | mom | 01:12 |
| lucas | I'll try to fix this now | 01:12 |
| slomo_ | oh | 01:12 |
| slomo_ | btw, please add a link to the debian qa page | 01:13 |
| slomo_ | packages.qa.debian.org | 01:13 |
| lucas | # TODO/Bugs | 01:13 |
| lucas | # - improve rendering | 01:13 |
| lucas | # - add links to all relevant sources of info | 01:13 |
| slomo_ | makes work much easier :) | 01:13 |
| lucas | ;) | 01:13 |
| slomo_ | lol | 01:13 |
| slomo_ | ok =) | 01:13 |
| slomo_ | siretart: oh no... marillat made the mplayer versioning wrong :( 1.0-pre7cvsxxxxxxxx is treated greater than 1.0 by dpkg.... | 01:16 |
| slomo_ | siretart: bbl | 01:17 |
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| StrikeForce | dholbach, did you have a look at that strace? | 01:23 |
| dholbach | StrikeForce: looks interesting | 01:25 |
| dholbach | StrikeForce: i usually just have a look at configure.{ac,in} | 01:25 |
| dholbach | StrikeForce: and build it in pbuilder, so i can make sure, that it builds in a clean environment | 01:25 |
| StrikeForce | my concern is running deps? | 01:25 |
| StrikeForce | although I don't think there are any | 01:26 |
| StrikeForce | since I can find 0 documentation on it | 01:26 |
| dholbach | running deps? | 01:26 |
| StrikeForce | depends | 01:26 |
| dholbach | you mean dependencies instead of build-dependencies | 01:26 |
| dholbach | ah right | 01:26 |
| StrikeForce | yep | 01:26 |
| StrikeForce | sorry | 01:26 |
| dholbach | well usually, you just "expand" them | 01:26 |
| StrikeForce | yep ok | 01:26 |
| dholbach | {shlibs:Depends} gives you those | 01:26 |
| StrikeForce | yep | 01:26 |
| StrikeForce | I ahve that already :) | 01:26 |
| dholbach | (in a case, where you compile a C or C++ package) | 01:27 |
| StrikeForce | but it listed like gcc4 | 01:27 |
| dholbach | i shouldnt think so | 01:27 |
| StrikeForce | but yeah I'll try and cut it short | 01:27 |
| dholbach | it explicitly listed gcc4 afterwards? | 01:27 |
| dholbach | as a dependency? | 01:27 |
| StrikeForce | not for depends | 01:27 |
| StrikeForce | Its ok I'm confusing the situation | 01:28 |
| dholbach | build-essential should give you a c compiler, so you wouldnt need it as a build-dep | 01:28 |
| StrikeForce | yep | 01:28 |
| dholbach | right | 01:28 |
| dholbach | normally you just need {shlibs:Depends}, {python:Depends} or {perl:Depends} | 01:28 |
| StrikeForce | how would I find using dpkg what is listed as deps of build-deps | 01:28 |
| dholbach | somtimes {misc:Depends} | 01:28 |
| StrikeForce | e.g. build-essentials deps | 01:29 |
| StrikeForce | so I /might/ not need to add to many deps | 01:29 |
| dholbach | apt-cache show build-essential | grpe Depends? | 01:29 |
| dholbach | grep | 01:29 |
| dholbach | sorry | 01:29 |
| StrikeForce | yep no worries thanks | 01:29 |
| StrikeForce | :) | 01:29 |
| StrikeForce | should have it uploaded later | 01:29 |
| StrikeForce | btw how long usually does it take to get a package checked out? | 01:30 |
| Nafallo | what's up with unrar-nonfree? | 01:30 |
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| lucas | slomo: any other urls to include on the report page ? | 01:40 |
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| lucas | http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/du-versions-ruby.html | 02:04 |
| lucas | I added some links and changed the color so it's easier to read | 02:05 |
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| zakame | Nafallo: many thanks :) | 02:10 |
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| Nafallo | zakame: np :-) | 02:13 |
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| StrikeForce | Do you think it would be ok to add an override for this error W: cue2toc: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly | 02:22 |
| zakame | what's the description synopsis? | 02:23 |
| StrikeForce | zakame, A program that will convert CUE files to cdrdao's TOC format. | 02:23 |
| zakame | StrikeForce: ah :) just remove the `A program that will' part and it will fit just fine :) | 02:24 |
| StrikeForce | kk :) | 02:24 |
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| StrikeForce | zakame, unfortunately the error is still there from lintian | 02:26 |
| StrikeForce | zakame, Description: convert CUE files to cdrdao's TOC format | 02:26 |
| zakame | StrikeForce: have you rebuilt? | 02:27 |
| StrikeForce | nm | 02:27 |
| StrikeForce | yeah | 02:27 |
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| StrikeForce | but I had a '.' at the end | 02:27 |
| StrikeForce | took that away and it works now | 02:27 |
| zakame | ah, that's another one | 02:27 |
| StrikeForce | all fine now | 02:27 |
| zakame | wtg :) | 02:28 |
| StrikeForce | and uploaded now package 3 done :) | 02:28 |
| StrikeForce | now all I have to do is coerce someone into checking em :) | 02:29 |
| zakame | to revu? | 02:29 |
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| StrikeForce | yep | 02:31 |
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| zakame | hi ogra | 02:32 |
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| StrikeForce | zakame, I'm trying to compile a program and it can't find gtk2? | 02:45 |
| zakame | StrikeForce: do you have libgtk2.0-dev installed? | 02:45 |
| StrikeForce | doh not the dev package :( | 02:46 |
| StrikeForce | its ok I'll install now | 02:46 |
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| zakame | no prob :) | 02:46 |
| StrikeForce | thanks for the help :) | 02:47 |
| zakame | now, my turn to pose a q: if I see a `package-name-doesnt-match-sonames' error for a package which is not a lib pkg, should I fix this? | 02:49 |
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| Kyral | Are you trying to compile FlowDesigner by any chance? | 02:51 |
| zakame | nope, this is for gpsd | 02:52 |
| Kyral | lol okay | 02:52 |
| Kyral | I get the same error with FlowDesigner | 02:52 |
| zakame | let me look at the diff | 02:54 |
| zakame | Kyral: is this a NEW package? | 02:55 |
| Kyral | yah | 02:55 |
| Kyral | in REVU | 02:56 |
| zakame | ok | 02:57 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 02:58 |
| zakame | heya sistpoty :) | 02:59 |
| Kyral | whee minor breakage :D | 03:00 |
| zakame | just uploaded libmemcache to revu, can any motu please check it? :) | 03:00 |
| zakame | siretart: ping, can you re-add my updated key to the revu keyring? :) | 03:03 |
| siretart | zakame: which keyid? | 03:04 |
| sistpoty | huhu siretart | 03:04 |
| siretart | huhu sistpoty | 03:05 |
| siretart | sistpoty: if you look in my public html, I have created a MergeWebTool branch, there is a oneline to be merged ;) | 03:05 |
| Kyral | hplip-base is broken. Depending on 0.9.5-2ubuntu2 of hplip-data, hplip-data is at 0.9.6-1ubuntu1 | 03:05 |
| sistpoty | siretart: will check | 03:05 |
| zakame | siretart: 0xFA53851D . I added a new uid for my @ubuntu.com address, and I want to use that now for the revu login | 03:05 |
| siretart | zakame: then I don't need to do anything | 03:06 |
| siretart | zakame: just upload something with that emailadress in the Changed-By field (email in debian/changelog) | 03:06 |
| sistpoty | siretart: bzr merge <pathtoyourrepo>? or bzr pull <pathtoyourrepo>? | 03:06 |
| siretart | sistpoty: merge | 03:06 |
| sistpoty | siretart: k, thx | 03:06 |
| siretart | works also over http, btw | 03:06 |
| zakame | siretart: just did, but when I try to login with it, fails... when trying to recover, I could not get the gpg encrypted output | 03:07 |
| siretart | hm | 03:08 |
| siretart | zakame: okay, I just updated your key, retry please | 03:08 |
| zakame | siretart: there, got the pgp message, thanks :) | 03:08 |
| siretart | okay :) | 03:09 |
| siretart | .oO( one more reason to work more on revu2, ... I'm still working on the infrastructure... ) | 03:10 |
| zakame | hehe :) salamat :D | 03:10 |
| sistpoty | siretart: merged your change and also pulled to MoM ;) | 03:11 |
| siretart | sistpoty: :) | 03:11 |
| siretart | sistpoty: have you/we solved the problem with having to reload apache on file changes? | 03:12 |
| sistpoty | siretart: no, unfortunately I haven't :( (i just restarted apache2) | 03:12 |
| siretart | okay | 03:14 |
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| zakame | hmm where can I read more on dpatch? tseng's site doesn't seem to be up | 03:28 |
| siretart | zakame: look at packages already using dpatch | 03:32 |
| zakame | siretart: ok :) | 03:34 |
| lucas | question about MOTU management : when a package is once uploaded with an ubuntu-specific version number ("ubuntu1" appended to the version string), a changelog entry is added. | 03:38 |
| lucas | then, when all the ubuntu-specific changes are merged into debian, we could use the debian package directly in ubuntu | 03:38 |
| zakame | of course | 03:38 |
| lucas | but since we have to keep that changelog entry, we still need to have that ubuntu-specific version number | 03:38 |
| lucas | right ? | 03:39 |
| lucas | or the "ubuntu1" part can be dropped during the upload after we resynchronize with debian ? | 03:39 |
| lucas | (but we loose the changelog entry then) | 03:40 |
| sistpoty | lucas: if we can use the debian version, we take it (and thus loose the ubuntu-changelog-entry). Otherwise we'd need to merge these packages next time again | 03:41 |
| siretart | lucas: this means: if the debian maintainer chooses not to take our ubuntu changelog entrys, we accept that | 03:42 |
| lucas | ok | 03:42 |
| siretart | lucas: is your motu-tools repository/package/whatever publicy viewable? | 03:42 |
| lucas | siretart: yes, I sent a mail to ubuntu-devel about it | 03:43 |
| lucas | http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ | 03:43 |
| lucas | what about this bug then : | 03:43 |
| lucas | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alexandria/+bug/4052 | 03:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug #4052: alexandria: merge new debian version Fix req. for: alexandria (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Fixed http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4052 | 03:43 |
| lucas | \sh said it was ok to use the debian package directly | 03:44 |
| lucas | but in the archive, there's an ubuntu-specific version | 03:44 |
| siretart | lucas: is http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ an bzr archive? | 03:45 |
| lucas | yes | 03:45 |
| lucas | you can bzr branch it | 03:45 |
| siretart | strange. then i have a local config problem | 03:46 |
| siretart | bzr: ERROR: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden | 03:46 |
| siretart | ha | 03:46 |
| siretart | :) | 03:46 |
| lucas | should be fixed now | 03:46 |
| StrikeForce | siretart, for some reason I can't find cue2toc in REVU even though I uploaded it? | 03:49 |
| siretart | lucas: works now, thanks | 03:49 |
| siretart | StrikeForce: checking | 03:49 |
| StrikeForce | thanks :) | 03:49 |
| siretart | StrikeForce: because you did an binary upload, which is useless for revu | 03:49 |
| zakame | StrikeForce: build your package via dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot | 03:50 |
| siretart | StrikeForce: please do sourceful uploads only (and always with full source, i.e. with orig.tar.gz) | 03:50 |
| StrikeForce | siretart, hmmm I'm sure I did that the right way :( | 03:50 |
| StrikeForce | ok I'll re-do my apologies | 03:50 |
| zakame | siretart: I notice some of the uploads also contain both source and binary uploads... | 03:50 |
| siretart | zakame: I changed process_uploads.py to ignore non sourceful changes files | 03:51 |
| zakame | siretart: cool :) | 03:52 |
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| siretart | I need to work on something to send ACCEPTED/REJECTED emails | 03:52 |
| StrikeForce | so once thats done I just dput the changes file? | 03:52 |
| StrikeForce | because you'll build it up on the server? | 03:52 |
| siretart | StrikeForce: the *_source.changes file, yes | 03:52 |
| siretart | NOT the *_i386.changes file. | 03:52 |
| StrikeForce | siretart, ok I'll do that now if I've stuffed up give us a yell :) | 03:53 |
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| StrikeForce | siretart, did you want me to re-upload my previous packages that haven't been approved in that format? | 03:56 |
| siretart | StrikeForce: yes, I deleted your old upload, since it did not include full source | 03:56 |
| StrikeForce | siretart, ok but I'm referring to rufus and also browser-bookmark-menu as well though | 03:57 |
| siretart | didn't check that yet, mom | 03:57 |
| siretart | StrikeForce: they include fill source as well as binaries. thats not that bad. no need to reupload. | 03:58 |
| StrikeForce | siretart, ok thanks I'll remember that for the future thanks for the heads up :) | 03:58 |
| siretart | StrikeForce: cheers! :) | 03:58 |
| StrikeForce | I signed the code of conduct through launchpad however it says the key is not registered with launchpad click this link yet the link is dead? | 04:06 |
| zakame | slomo: ping, can you please check Malone #4089, I remember you told me that gpsd can't be synced | 04:15 |
| Ubugtu | Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 04:15 |
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| zakame | wb ajmitch | 04:21 |
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| StrikeForce | hello ajmitch :) | 04:22 |
| lfittl | Any motu here who has time to review something on revu? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=931) | 04:25 |
| \sh | siretart: grmpf | 04:26 |
| \sh | siretart: u uploaded alexandria with ubuntu dude.... | 04:27 |
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| siretart | \sh: sorry? | 04:41 |
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| \sh | siretart: debian dropped everything :) | 04:48 |
| \sh | doesn't matter | 04:48 |
| \sh | FRESH HOT BEATYFUL !!! 300 i386 Breezy CDs just hit ISH | 04:48 |
| \sh | 50 PPC and 50 AMD | 04:48 |
| \sh | as well | 04:48 |
| \sh | s/BEATYFUL/BEAUTYFUL/ | 04:49 |
| Treenaks | 300ish ;) | 04:49 |
| \sh | hehe...I just spread Ubuntu Breezy to all the people here... | 04:50 |
| \sh | even management wants to have breezy on their laptop (at least on of our managers) | 04:50 |
| Gazer | slomo, Hi, yerteday I fix my package (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=925), tell me if you detect some other error. | 04:51 |
| Treenaks | \sh: cool! | 04:51 |
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| lfittl | siretart: Please build libloki (#931) in revu, thanks | 04:56 |
| hunger_ | How do I package python stuff? | 04:56 |
| hunger_ | Do I need a python-sth deb that depends on a python2.4-sth deb with the code? | 04:57 |
| hunger_ | Or can I get away with one python-sth deb with the code? | 04:57 |
| \sh | hunger: the first arrangement...a default package with deps on python2.4 | 04:59 |
| \sh | hunger: the first arrangement...a default package with deps on python2.4-smt | 04:59 |
| \sh | aeh | 04:59 |
| \sh | sth | 04:59 |
| \sh | whatever | 04:59 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Thanks. | 04:59 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Do I need to do "Provides" magic? | 05:00 |
| zakame | hmmm, is pbbuttonsd-dev missing? | 05:00 |
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| hunger_ | \sh: How do I handle python-sthdepending on python-sth2? | 05:03 |
| hunger_ | \sh: python-sth depends on python2.4-sth and python-sth2 and python-sth2 depending on python2.4-sth2? | 05:04 |
| hunger_ | Does the python2.4-sth dep need to depend on python2.4-sth2? | 05:04 |
| \sh | hunger_: aeh | 05:11 |
| \sh | hunger_: is python2.4-sth2 replacing/conflicting python2.4-sth? | 05:12 |
| hunger_ | \sh: No. | 05:12 |
| \sh | or other way to ask...what is the difference between sth and sth2? | 05:12 |
| hunger_ | One is the lowlevel C bindingish stuff and the other the python magic build around it. | 05:12 |
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| hunger_ | \sh: I had to split them apart to stop lintian complaining:-( | 05:13 |
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| \sh | hunger_: hum? | 05:14 |
| hunger_ | \sh: lintian didn't like having binaries in a python archive or so I understood the message it gave. | 05:15 |
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| \sh | hunger_: binaries? | 05:16 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Some wrapper C-code to turn C libs into proper python citizens. | 05:17 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Needs python-dev and the C lib dev stuff to build and exports some C functions from those libs to python apps. | 05:17 |
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| \sh | hunger_: so it's not like python-apt e.g. where the .so is build and this is the interface to python? | 05:18 |
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| \sh | hunger_: which software are u talking about? lets have a look | 05:19 |
| hunger_ | \sh: There is that part, but there is a whole layer of python functionality build atop of. | 05:19 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Xen. | 05:19 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Check revu... the version there is sopmewhat outdated, but has python-xen and python-xen-lowlevel. | 05:19 |
| siretart | lfittl: please ask someone else, I'm currently at work and cannot upload | 05:20 |
| hunger_ | \sh: ... which I now need to rename to python2.4-* with some python-* added. | 05:20 |
| hunger_ | Hi siretart. | 05:20 |
| siretart | huhu hunger_ | 05:20 |
| hunger_ | siretart: Packaging would be soooo easy without having to follow that damn policy! ;-) | 05:21 |
| raphink | and the system would be so trashy, too ;) | 05:21 |
| dholbach | hunger_: autodeb :) | 05:21 |
| \sh | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=909 | 05:21 |
| \sh | ? | 05:22 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Sounds about right... | 05:22 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Yes, that's it! | 05:22 |
| hunger_ | \sh: I am wondering about the python-xen and python-xen-lowlevel debs right now. | 05:23 |
| ogra | dholbach, switching the universe o autodeb ? :) | 05:24 |
| siretart | hunger_: I know ;) | 05:24 |
| dholbach | ogra: yeah, i start uploading in some minutes | 05:24 |
| siretart | hunger_: but it is way easier to maintain conforming packages. and thats what we are about: maintenance and support for packages | 05:24 |
| ogra | cool | 05:24 |
| \sh | hunger_: if u build http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/xen-0511131225/xen-3.0pre20051113/tools/python/ manually via setup.py...the setup.py should create an .so interface file...which is actually the python class | 05:24 |
| hunger_ | dholbach: If upstream had a decent build system things would be somewhat easier. | 05:25 |
| siretart | what is autodeb? | 05:25 |
| dholbach | siretart: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Autodeb | 05:25 |
| ogra | siretart, the suck ... | 05:25 |
| \sh | hunger_: and this .so file u put into /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ directly | 05:25 |
| dholbach | hunger_: send upstream a patch :) | 05:25 |
| ogra | (sorry for my french) | 05:25 |
| siretart | fear | 05:25 |
| ogra | heh | 05:25 |
| hunger_ | dholbach: I already send 5 of them upsteam just to fix "make clean" | 05:25 |
| \sh | hunger_: check apt-get source python-apt | 05:25 |
| siretart | omg | 05:26 |
| siretart | this is designed to break, is it? | 05:26 |
| hunger_ | dholbach: I even volunteered to rewrite the complete buildsystem a while back... but they are not interessted. | 05:26 |
| \sh | if u have to fix make clean from upstream....DON'T USE IT...they actually don't know what they're doing ;) | 05:26 |
| hunger_ | dholbach: Next step: Find out why "make distclean" creates files (which forces me to run make clean after make distclean to get rid of them again!) | 05:26 |
| dholbach | at least you seem to have fun :) | 05:27 |
| \sh | "make clean\n -> make: running rm -Rvf / | 05:27 |
| \sh | *oops" | 05:27 |
| siretart | and incredible pain patching broken upstream build systems :) | 05:27 |
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| hunger_ | \sh: Building the stuff is not the problem... How do I have to do the dependencies? | 05:29 |
| \sh | hunger_: u should have only one package at all....with the meta package python-xen which depends on python2.4-xen | 05:29 |
| \sh | u will have two... | 05:29 |
| \sh | hunger_: setup.py normally deals as well with C interfaces for python classes | 05:30 |
| hunger_ | \sh: lintian didn't like me throwing both of them into one deb. | 05:30 |
| \sh | and builds them properly...that's why I asked if u ever builded python-xen manually | 05:30 |
| \sh | hunger_: check python-apt | 05:30 |
| hunger_ | \sh: I will once I get proper net access:-( | 05:30 |
| \sh | hunger_: are u using dh_python? | 05:36 |
| hunger_ | \sh: Yes. | 05:36 |
| \sh | hunger_: but not in binary-indep | 05:37 |
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| hunger_ | \sh: There is no pyhon stuff build in indep. | 05:37 |
| \sh | oh sorry.. | 05:37 |
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| hunger_ | \sh: I removed python*-xen-lowlevel now. Let's see what lintian has to say about this change. | 05:39 |
| slomo | lucas: MoM page if existing maybe | 05:39 |
| hunger_ | That makes all the python code arch dependent of course. | 05:39 |
| \sh | hunger_: thats why u should use indep :) | 05:40 |
| \sh | and dep | 05:40 |
| lucas | slomo: does the fact that it exists (or not) add a useful information ? | 05:40 |
| hunger_ | \sh: I can't since the .so files aren't. | 05:40 |
| lucas | it isn't easy to check that MoM pages exist | 05:40 |
| slomo | lucas: hmm, don't show if it exists or not... but give a link to it if it exists ;) check for a 404 ;) | 05:41 |
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| \sh | hunger_: believe me :) | 05:41 |
| \sh | hunger_: check python-apt...they are doing it just like this...read the rules file :) | 05:42 |
| hunger_ | \sh: I will as soon as I get a net connection again. | 05:42 |
| hunger_ | \sh: I'll shut up now till I did:-) | 05:42 |
| lucas | slomo: mmh | 05:43 |
| \sh | hunger_: so before u try and break something...check first :) | 05:43 |
| lucas | when there are lots of pkgs, it won't be fast | 05:43 |
| slomo | lucas: hmm, ok, then don't do it :) | 05:43 |
| hunger_ | \sh: It is only my local stuff that I break. It is not as if I had users;-) | 05:44 |
| \sh | lucas: what do u want to do? | 05:44 |
| \sh | hunger_: ok...:) | 05:44 |
| hunger_ | OK, have to run. I might be back later! | 05:44 |
| lucas | \sh: see my mail on ubuntu-devel about motu-tools pkg | 05:44 |
| lucas | slomo: I'll add it to my todo list | 05:45 |
| slomo | ok, thanks... can you give me the url again? i get a mono list working then :) | 05:46 |
| \sh | lucas: i answered | 05:51 |
| lucas | slomo: http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ | 05:52 |
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| \sh | ok... | 05:54 |
| \sh | going home | 05:54 |
| \sh | cu later | 05:54 |
| slomo | lucas: thanks | 05:54 |
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| slomo | lucas: small cosmetical suggestion... add somewhere that apt-rdepends is needed :) | 06:01 |
| lucas | well that's why I was talking about a package ;) | 06:03 |
| lucas | ./debianubuntuversions.bash |./filterlist.bash <(./pkglist_from_rdepends.bash libruby1.8 |./binarytosource.bash) |./debianubuntuversions-list2html.rb > duv-ruby.html | 06:05 |
| lucas | slomo: use this and remplace libruby1.8 with what you need | 06:05 |
| slomo | lucas: already done... well, i'm waiting for the download to finish but otherwise it's fine ;) | 06:06 |
| lucas | ok | 06:06 |
| slomo | Now, generating mixed list... | 06:06 |
| slomo | uniq: Ungltige Option -- W | 06:06 |
| slomo | hmm | 06:06 |
| slomo | Ungltige Option == invalid option | 06:06 |
| lucas | mmh | 06:07 |
| lucas | $ uniq --version | 06:07 |
| lucas | uniq (coreutils) 5.2.1 | 06:07 |
| lucas | you aren't running ubuntu are you ? :-) | 06:07 |
| slomo | uniq (GNU coreutils) 5.93 | 06:08 |
| slomo | that's dapper ;) | 06:08 |
| lucas | -W, --check-fields=N | 06:09 |
| lucas | compare no more than N fields in lines | 06:09 |
| slomo | what is -W doing? | 06:09 |
| slomo | oh | 06:09 |
| slomo | it's -w now | 06:09 |
| lucas | no, that's --check-chars | 06:09 |
| slomo | oh no | 06:09 |
| slomo | there is no -W anymore :P | 06:09 |
| lucas | no --check-fields ?? | 06:09 |
| slomo | no | 06:09 |
| lucas | that's what I dislike in shell scripts | 06:11 |
| ogra | slomo, 2.93 is ancient ... | 06:11 |
| ogra | err 5.93 | 06:11 |
| lucas | you always end in a wall | 06:11 |
| slomo | ogra? | 06:11 |
| ogra | dpkg --compare-versions 5.93 lt 5.2.1 || echo true | 06:12 |
| lucas | ok, I'll rewrite it with awk | 06:12 |
| ogra | slomo, 5.2.1 is the current version ... | 06:12 |
| slomo | ogra: err no... definitly not... look at the coreutils changelog | 06:12 |
| slomo | ogra: 5.2.1 is from jul, 5.93 from november | 06:13 |
| ogra | coreutils (5.2.1-2.1ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low | 06:14 |
| lucas | What you are seeing with the -W option in Debian is a distribution | 06:14 |
| lucas | specific patch to the code to provide that option and associated | 06:14 |
| lucas | functionality. It is not in the upstream GNU coreutils. | 06:14 |
| ogra | -- Charles Majola <charles@ubuntu.com> Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:50:31 +0000 | 06:14 |
| lucas | so ubuntu packaged 5.93 but dropped the patch | 06:14 |
| slomo | ogra: hum... | 06:14 |
| slomo | ogra: coreutils (5.93-2) unstable; urgency=low | 06:14 |
| slomo | ogra: -- Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:28:53 -0500 | 06:14 |
| slomo | that's mine | 06:14 |
| ogra | unstable | 06:14 |
| ogra | *giggle* | 06:14 |
| slomo | i only have dapper sources, no debian ones... | 06:15 |
| ogra | slomo, drop the debian sources then ;) | 06:15 |
| slomo | we have unstable also in packages synced from unstable | 06:15 |
| ogra | true | 06:15 |
| slomo | Accepted coreutils 5.93-2 (source) | 06:15 |
| slomo | Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:35:03 +0000 (GMT) (14:35 CET) | 06:16 |
| slomo | that's on dapper-changes | 06:16 |
| ogra | ah, yes | 06:16 |
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| ogra | and charles merged the other packge yesterday it seems | 06:16 |
| slomo | hehe | 06:16 |
| ogra | communication breakdown ? | 06:17 |
| lucas | * Remove some ancient debian-specific patches | 06:17 |
| lucas | - install no longer calls strip with special options | 06:17 |
| lucas | - no more --reversible option to cat | 06:17 |
| lucas | - no more --first-eof option to paste | 06:17 |
| lucas | - no more field seperator option to uniq | 06:17 |
| lucas | in coreutils (5.93-1) unstable; urgency=low | 06:17 |
| lucas | (upload to debian) | 06:17 |
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| lucas | so I have to live with it | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I love your new motu-tools scripts | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | I have been working on something like this for the MOTUScience team | 06:19 |
| lucas | LaserJock: thanks :-) | 06:20 |
| lucas | don't hesitate to send patches | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | I like the html output, that is what I have been struggling with, how to put the output in a good form | 06:20 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hello | 06:21 |
| slomo | ogra: "dpkg --compare-versions 5.93 lt 5.2.1 || echo true" <--- are you sure this is correct? shouldn't it be gt or &&? | 06:21 |
| lucas | awk 'BEGIN { s = "" } { if ($1 != s) { print $0 ; s = $1} }' | 06:21 |
| lucas | uniq in awk | 06:21 |
| lucas | with -W 1 | 06:21 |
| lucas | :-) | 06:21 |
| ogra | i will echo true if the operator is right | 06:22 |
| lucas | nearly readable | 06:22 |
| minghua | hi, anybody know why grace and grace6 are still labelled unassigned on revu's MoM page? | 06:22 |
| ogra | slomo, but i might be wrong ... | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | minghua: did you change their status to fixed? | 06:22 |
| minghua | I picked them up and filed malone bug according to the instructions | 06:23 |
| slomo | ogra: it will echo true if everything before failed afaik... that's what || is for | 06:23 |
| minghua | LaserJock: no, I left them as new | 06:23 |
| ogra | slomo, err, yes && would be more appropriate | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | minghua: nevermind, I was thinking you were asking about it not being in the "Done" list | 06:24 |
| minghua | but I did assign them to MOTU merge team | 06:24 |
| slomo | lucas: can you tell me when you've added it to your bzr branch? | 06:24 |
| lucas | slomo: just checking that it works | 06:24 |
| minghua | LaserJock: okay :-) I'll wait for more informed people to answer then | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | minghua: that's not hard to find ;-) | 06:26 |
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| slomo | Nafallo_away: kernel built at least on ppc :) we can start breaking our machines now ;) | 06:27 |
| lucas | slomo: you can bzr merge now | 06:27 |
| slomo | lucas: done :) | 06:28 |
| slomo | lucas: i need to remember you... you can do awk magic :) | 06:28 |
| lucas | ;) | 06:28 |
| slomo | hmm, my dapper pbuilder is broken... can someone verify this? | 06:30 |
| ogra | slomo, was this a silent offer to everyone here to get ssh access to your box for verification purpose ? :) | 06:32 |
| slomo | ogra: lol no... but does someone else have this problem? :P it can't find /etc/shadow for some reason | 06:32 |
| ogra | hmm, i didnt update mine for 2 days .... | 06:32 |
| dholbach | slomo: same here | 06:33 |
| ogra | heh, so i'll keep away from updating :) | 06:33 |
| slomo | hehe... but i need the new openssl and libextractor :( | 06:33 |
| jamessan|work | slomo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338976 | 06:36 |
| slomo | jamessan|work: thanks, i'll try it | 06:37 |
| slomo | lucas: filterlist fails... it lists gtk-engines-mono but shouldn't list it | 06:38 |
| lucas | ah | 06:39 |
| slomo | every other result is ok | 06:39 |
| lucas | can you put your input file and your filter list swhere ? | 06:39 |
| jamessan|work | ogra: if you already have a basetgz built, it should be fine. I've only seen the problem when creating new ones | 06:39 |
| slomo | lucas: sure... but i expect it to be a problem with grepping for "mono" (which is in my input file) | 06:40 |
| lucas | ok, but I'm supposed to grep -w | 06:40 |
| lucas | (for words) | 06:41 |
| lucas | $ echo gtk-engines-mono |grep -w mono | 06:41 |
| lucas | gtk-engines-mono | 06:41 |
| lucas | ok | 06:41 |
| lucas | that's the problem | 06:41 |
| slomo | ok | 06:41 |
| lucas | "Word-constituent characters are | 06:42 |
| lucas | letters, digits, and the underscore." | 06:42 |
| lucas | one could argue about this :-) | 06:42 |
| slomo | hmm | 06:42 |
| slomo | and the '-' ;) | 06:42 |
| jamessan|work | that's a pretty standard regexp definition of a 'word character' :) | 06:43 |
| lucas | mmh I'm not sure | 06:43 |
| lucas | word could be "anything but \s" | 06:43 |
| jamessan|work | I don't think I've seen any other definition for \w | 06:43 |
| slomo | brb | 06:45 |
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| Riddell | who is Andreas Mussgiller? | 07:05 |
| mgalvin | siretart: thnx for uploading that theme | 07:05 |
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| mgalvin | fyi, i got cegui_mk2 and ogre to build and they are awaiting review as well | 07:07 |
| Gloubiboulga | I've reported a bug for a universe package, and provided a patch | 07:12 |
| Gloubiboulga | To how the patch should be assigned ? | 07:12 |
| Gloubiboulga | to whom* | 07:13 |
| Gloubiboulga | arf | 07:13 |
| Gloubiboulga | To whom the bug should be assigned ? | 07:14 |
| JanC | just leave it like it is, I guess? | 07:14 |
| bmonty_laptop | Gloubiboulga: what is the number? | 07:14 |
| bmonty_laptop | Gloubiboulga: most likely it should be assigned to MOTU | 07:14 |
| Gloubiboulga | 4450 | 07:14 |
| JanC | unless you know a motu who wants to look at it | 07:14 |
| slomo | dholbach: creating an empty /etc/shadow with touch (running pbuilder login --save-after-login) solves it ;) | 07:20 |
| dholbach | slomo: weird, i wonder what the real problem is | 07:20 |
| bmonty_laptop | Gloubiboulga: that bug should be assigned to MOTU | 07:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok bmonty_laptop thanks | 07:25 |
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| Nafallo | slomo: yay! | 07:51 |
| Nafallo | slomo: (x2) | 07:51 |
| slomo | Nafallo: was only a give-back on ppc... don't know about the others ;) | 07:51 |
| Nafallo | succedded. | 07:52 |
| slomo | perfect... test it and tell me :) | 07:52 |
| Nafallo | hopefully my pbuilder will do the same in a bit ;-) | 07:52 |
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| slomo | why did you built it yourself? | 07:55 |
| Nafallo | ? | 07:57 |
| slomo | "<Nafallo> hopefully my pbuilder will do the same in a bit ;-)" | 07:57 |
| Nafallo | yea. that grep /etc/shadow-thing... | 07:58 |
| slomo | oh | 07:58 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 07:58 |
| Nafallo | the kernel should go in :03, right? | 07:58 |
| slomo | hmm | 07:59 |
| slomo | it should be there already | 07:59 |
| slomo | NEW? | 07:59 |
| Nafallo | oh | 07:59 |
| Nafallo | probably | 07:59 |
| Nafallo | or even: ofcourse | 08:06 |
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| Tonio_ | re | 08:13 |
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| herve | hello | 08:21 |
| dholbach | hi herve | 08:30 |
| dholbach | hi Tonio_ | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | re dholbach | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: are we supposed to get an email when one package has been uploaded with success ? | 08:31 |
| herve | yes | 08:31 |
| Tonio_ | hum......... | 08:31 |
| herve | and with failure too :-) | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | ktranslator and kinstaller have been uploaded and I didn't receive any mail... | 08:32 |
| herve | but your email needs to be whitelisted by the archive admins | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | maybe that's the reason ;) | 08:32 |
| bmonty_laptop | Nafallo: thanks for the help with the uploads | 08:33 |
| Nafallo | bmonty_laptop: no problem :-) | 08:34 |
| bmonty_laptop | Nafallo: learned something new to look for with python packages :) | 08:34 |
| Nafallo | I fixed that one for \sh in another package not so long ago so... ;-) | 08:36 |
| bmonty_laptop | either way, now I know another thing to check with python packages | 08:37 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 08:38 |
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| magnon | siretart: ping! | 08:55 |
| slomo | re | 08:55 |
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| slomo | lucas: did you fix it already? | 09:19 |
| lucas | fix what ? :-) | 09:20 |
| lucas | ah, the grep thing ? | 09:21 |
| slomo | yes | 09:21 |
| lucas | no, not yet | 09:21 |
| slomo | oh :( | 09:21 |
| slomo | ok, then i do some merges in the meantime :P | 09:21 |
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| Nafallo | yay! syncs! | 09:24 |
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| lucas | slomo: you can merge | 09:36 |
| lucas | ah | 09:36 |
| lucas | eh | 09:36 |
| lucas | wait 1 sec ;) | 09:36 |
| slomo | np :) | 09:36 |
| lucas | (why is rsync taking so long?) | 09:36 |
| slomo | i'm currently adjusting my procmail rules :P | 09:36 |
| slomo | rsync over ssh? | 09:39 |
| lucas | yeah | 09:40 |
| lucas | but it seems my server has some connections problems | 09:40 |
| lucas | http://www-id.imag.fr/~nussbaum/perso.html/motu-tools/ | 09:41 |
| lucas | you can merge from there | 09:41 |
| slomo | done... and doesn't help :( | 09:42 |
| lucas | you replaced filterlist.bash with filterlist.rb ? | 09:42 |
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| slomo | lol | 09:43 |
| slomo | no :) | 09:43 |
| slomo | works perfect :) | 09:43 |
| aboe | is there somebody from xfce-team?? | 09:43 |
| aboe | because I got a question? | 09:43 |
| slomo | lucas: is it normal that the html generator needs long | 09:44 |
| lucas | did you give him the input file on stdin ? | 09:44 |
| lucas | and what is it outputting on stdout ? | 09:44 |
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| slomo | lucas: ok, not stdin ;) | 09:45 |
| slomo | hmm, i don't like the colours ;) | 09:46 |
| lucas | feel free to submit a patch | 09:46 |
| lucas | it's easy to change : the CSS is in the HTML file | 09:46 |
| slomo | yes, i know :) but i would choose worse colours... choosing colours for something is no job for me | 09:47 |
| lucas | heh | 09:47 |
| slomo | but i like it :) i'll make a cronjob out of it :) | 09:48 |
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| lucas | it still needs a lot of work | 09:52 |
| crimsun | mm xkb borkage | 09:53 |
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| crimsun | hi dholbach :-) | 09:58 |
| dholbach | re :) | 09:58 |
| crimsun | dholbach: is 'gnome-games' known-broken on Dapper atm? Invoking most of the binaries from it in /usr/games/ result in the GTK+ setuid/setgid error message. | 10:01 |
| bmonty_laptop | Nafallo: do you mind taking a look at Malone #4443? | 10:03 |
| Ubugtu | Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 10:03 |
| mgalvin | would anyone happen to have the time to review a package(cegui_mk2 and/or ogre, in revu)? | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | hi again | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | does anyone here have a breezy pbuilder ? | 10:03 |
| bmonty_laptop | Tonio_: I don't have one, but it is fairly easy to make for yourself | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | bmonty_laptop: I know, I just don't to build one for just one package ;) | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | I have a dapper one and that's enough | 10:06 |
| bmonty_laptop | heh | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | I have just build a source package for kaffeine 0.7.1 | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | and I'd like to test to see if it is more stable | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | but anyway, I'll built one ;) | 10:07 |
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| Nafallo | bmonty_laptop: sure, if you base the debdiff on the debian package :-) | 10:11 |
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| bmonty_laptop | np :) | 10:11 |
| Nafallo | thanx :-) | 10:11 |
| Gloubiboulga | I hate multiple packages | 10:12 |
| Gloubiboulga | is there any web site where I could find help to build one ? | 10:13 |
| slomo | 506 merges left :) | 10:16 |
| slomo | rbelem__: ping? | 10:17 |
| bmonty_laptop | Nafallo: done | 10:18 |
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| Nafallo | nice :-) | 10:20 |
| bmonty_laptop | Nafallo: I'm going to be working on some more merges...you want me to tell you here or do you want to just look for the emails from malone? | 10:22 |
| dholbach | crimsun: erm... new to me, will have a look | 10:23 |
| Nafallo | bmonty_laptop: I look for e-mails tomorrow morning. the plan now is to hit the bed as soon as all my syncs and merges are built :-) | 10:23 |
| crimsun | dholbach: no worries, I can live with gnometris for a while :-). Thanks regardless. | 10:23 |
| crimsun | without | 10:23 |
| bmonty_laptop | Nafallo: ok, good night then! | 10:23 |
| Nafallo | thanx :-) | 10:24 |
| bmonty_laptop | thanks for your help | 10:24 |
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| LaserJock | why would a package not have a "Section:" ? | 10:55 |
| herve | nighty night! | 10:55 |
| slomo | LaserJock: the binary or source one? | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | source | 10:56 |
| sivang | nigght all | 10:56 |
| slomo | LaserJock: no idea ;) | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I get that there are 12 source packages in Ubuntu that don't have "Source:" | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | but in Debian it is fine | 10:57 |
| sistpoty | hi slomo | 10:57 |
| sistpoty | slomo: argl... elmo was faster with syncing hmake and haddock than i with ghc6 *g* | 10:57 |
| slomo | as expected ;) | 10:58 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 10:58 |
| sistpoty | slomo: there where (are?) some cabal-issues with the new ghc6... I'm testing rebuilt packages right now *hope* | 10:58 |
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| sistpoty | were even | 10:59 |
| slomo | yes? | 10:59 |
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| tseng | hm if people cant use dpatch w/o my blog being up there is a problem | 11:13 |
| slomo | tseng: hm? | 11:21 |
| tseng | 08:28 #ubuntu-motu: < zakame> hmm where can I read more on dpatch? tseng's site | 11:23 |
| tseng | doesn't seem to be up | 11:23 |
| slomo | at least it shows you that you're important :) | 11:24 |
| tseng | hah, right | 11:25 |
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