[12:03] dholbach: let's see what happens.... [12:03] yes, other apps, other users/same apps and don't forget the bad guys and symlink attacks [12:03] ic [12:08] raphink: nice is 'rm -rf /tmp/kimrm -rf /tmp/kim' # assume a strange mind made /tmp/kim a link to your home dir [12:08] lol [12:11] raphink: well, as is the tools will fails a security review miserably (when a novice like me is able to find the holes) [12:12] well it's not a matter of packaging here [12:12] it's rather a pb with the upstreaming dev [12:12] gah, good thing I hadn't synced cppunit yet [12:13] raphink: yes, but as a pkger you should do your best to not deliver a pkg that has knows security bugs === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] ok allee [12:14] if I am able to find them [12:17] raphink: yes [12:18] but as is kim is not ready IMHO to be distributed by any distribution [12:18] pity :( [12:20] ok [12:25] why is gnome-volume-manager being removed in the latest batch of updates? [12:25] because you're chomping at the bit? [12:25] well, I don't use GNOME to begin with... :P [12:26] I think I should reinstall Ubuntu-Desktop... [12:26] or Xubuntu-Desktop [12:29] well something broke Ubuntu-Desktop [12:30] allee: did you report the security issues ? [12:31] writing a comment right now for kde-apps [12:31] raphink: but I ponder if better write it in private ... Any security guy listening? [12:32] lol [12:32] raphink: no I'm serious! [12:33] y? [12:33] malone has a facility for marking bugs private. === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc6-hem14-6-0-cust87.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:34] crimsun: kim is not uploaded yet [12:34] is it on REVU or something? [12:35] raphink: is it? [12:35] not yet [12:35] I've just finished it [12:35] and as I'm waiting for my key to be added to the keyring [12:35] I couldn't upload it yet [12:37] crimsun, consider me another tester for Xubuntu [12:37] Kyral: everyone's a prospective tester ;-) [12:37] btw, it really helps if you use your real names in your irc clients [12:39] okay, brb === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-165-5877.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] better> [12:41] thanks. [12:45] raphink: what's our e-mail? I'll send a private msg for now and would like to add you to cc to help keep an eye on it [12:45] allee: raphink[at] gmail[dot] com [12:45] thx === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] has anyone packaged the latest thunar snapshot? === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-235.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B0327.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] good night everybody [01:00] bur[n] er: it's on REVU [01:01] I'll get to it tonight === spstarr_home [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-165-5877.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] nite [01:24] thanks for the email allee [01:24] np [01:24] anyone working on ksquirrel so far? [01:26] right on crimsun, thanks! [01:27] night === tsume [n=tsume@zanshin.tsumelabs.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] yahoo, new XChat [02:46] brb :D === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-165-5877.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-165-5877.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] How do I get usplash to display the xubuntu artwork instead of the ubuntu artwork...hmmm === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-165-5877.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] hey slomo_ === xhaker [n=xhaker@84.90.60.192] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SKK|xhaker [i=leet@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-166-981.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-77-39-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=gazer@ADSL-216-244-237-143.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] Quick question, if gnome-core gets removed, then effectively GNOME is gone? [03:36] Kyral: apt-cache rdepends gnome-core === Kyral shrugs [03:36] I was looking for a way to get ridda GNOME anyway :D [03:37] I meant does it remove it from GDM :P [03:37] Kyral: you need to install xubuntu-artwork-usplash, then rerun sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) [03:37] Kyral: If you install gnome-core by aptitude, then likely yes === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] crimsun, I did that after nuking the 5 other kernels in my /boot === Kyral shrugs [03:38] note that splash is only active for the first entry. [03:38] but that's not really relevant here [03:38] was just looking for a way to purge the DE while keeping stuff like Epiphany and Evolution === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-166-981.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] btw the Xubuntu splash is nice === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SKK|xhaker [i=leet@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SKK|xhaker [i=leet@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SKK|xhaker [i=xhaker@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xhaker [i=xhaker@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === polpak [n=polpak@ip68-108-251-54.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] heya [06:23] hi [06:23] <\sh> moins === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] hum. Are the binaries of 'gnome-games' supposed to be setgid? === crimsun waits for dholbach [06:54] wow centericq's config.*'s are fairly outdated === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed_ [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] crimsun: if you mean "upstream's intention" by "supposed", then yes [07:10] crimsun: it's for writing the game records in /var/lib (or somewhere) [07:10] crimsun: upstream thinks it's ugly, too [07:10] minghua: ok, then it being broken on my system is probably related to my not having dist-upgraded yet [07:11] (libgksuui1.0-1 and all) [07:12] minghua: I was going to ask elmo to sync cppunit, but apparently there are additional allocator changes for libstdc++, so I'm waiting, since it's one of the packages affected [07:13] motus out of curiosity how many of you are subscribed to debian's dsa list ? === zakame raises hand [07:14] crimsun: yeh they are setgid games right? [07:14] crimsun: to write out high score files [07:14] bah [07:14] oops, wrogn chan [07:14] i need to stop replyign to things before i read the rest of the window :) [07:14] Yagisan: i am [07:15] Yagisan: I am [07:15] how much effort is it to pinch a fix for sarge and apply it to breezy ? [07:15] "depends" [07:16] crimsun: oh sure, of course should wait for libstdc++. thanks for remembering this :-) [07:16] as I just noticed another sec update for uim === minghua reminds himself that he should subscribe dsa list [07:18] Yagisan: that has already been fixed in Ubuntu [07:18] Yagisan: bmonty sent the debdiff; pitti applied it [07:19] crimsun: is that the same error I reported to malone ? I thought it was a new one [07:20] https://launchpad.net/malone/3328 ? [07:20] the changelog from uim (1:0.4.7-1ubuntu1.1) breezy-security reports it as such [07:20] CVE-2005-3149 http://bugs.debian.org/331620 [07:20] so yes. [07:21] crimsun: yep that's it [07:21] a few of us already discussed it last week [07:21] crimsun: I was mildly concerned I needed another update === Yagisan uses uim [07:22] Yagisan: it's not a bug that affects a lot of things anyway [07:22] For official ubuntu, it only affects mlterm-im-uim users [07:24] minghua: yes, but it is on one of my servers, so I thought I would double check [07:25] Yagisan: yeah, sure. it's never too safe when it comes to servers :-) [07:26] minghua: Although uim is breaking a lot of other apps. perhaps I should bulk import the ubuntu japan scim repo [07:27] yeh thats because its breaking apps using libstdc++5 right [07:27] cus it links to stdc++6 and is preloaded [07:27] Yagisan: what Lathiat said [07:27] not sure if theres really any way around that [07:28] Yagisan: use GTK_IM_IMMODULE=xim to work around it [07:28] Lathiat: there is. :-) [07:28] didn't help :( [07:28] just a sec, I'll see if I can find my malone bug [07:29] I've never used uim though, I only know uim also has GTK immodule, so this is just guessing [07:29] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amule/+bug/3187 [07:29] Malone bug #3187: Amule fails to start after installing Japanese input support Fix req. for: amule (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3187 [07:29] <\sh> leaving for office [07:30] but I get that in other apps too. Is that because of libstdc++5 ? [07:31] What's ubugtu ? [07:31] it's a bot that retrieves bugzilla and malone info [07:31] you've already seen it in action, so I don't need to trigger it again [07:32] crimsun: Can I get it to do that without knowing my bug number ? [07:32] Yagisan: Hmm, it may not be the same bug, as the backtrace doesn't seem to involve libstdc++ [07:33] minghua: breaks sun java too, but that's not too important === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:33] Ubugtu xastir [07:33] Yagisan: but if the apps you are talking are acroread 7, firefox/mozilla from mozilla.org, then it's 99% the libstdc++ mismatch bug [07:33] Yagisan: I don't think so, but I don't know. [07:33] I suppose Java mean's Sun's java, then add it to the above list [07:33] minghua: nope, with exception of sun java, and my deng work - all my apps are in the ubuntu repos [07:34] Strange. I suppose nothing in breezy links to libstdc++5, right? === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-120-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] minghua: some things do [07:35] minghua: but I don't have libstdc++5 installed [07:36] Yagisan: oh, okay, if you don't have libstdc++ 5 then forget about it [07:36] minghua: "apt-cache rdepends libstdc++5" gives a rather long list [07:37] Yagisan: out of curiousity, is synaptic in it? === Yagisan pats himself on the back for triggering an obscure bug [07:38] minghua: no, not hat I can see [07:38] s/hat/that [07:38] Hmm, so uim is not that robust in breezy either [07:39] Yagisan: yeah, maybe you should try the ubuntu-ja packages then [07:40] minghua: OK, I'll prepare for a recursive wget, and feed it all into my pbuilder. Then change to scim and see what happens [07:40] minghua: I'm sure they will love me for it O:-) [07:41] Yagisan: the ubuntu-ja people don't have uim? [07:41] minghua: need to check the repo again [07:42] minghua: nope - they seem to have gone with a scim-prime setup [07:42] my Japanese is apparently not good enough to find the ubuntu-ja archive though google === minghua goes to check mbox [07:43] minghua: http://www.ubuntulinux.jp/download/ [07:44] minghua: my Japanese is pretty crap actually. [07:47] Yagisan: yeah you are right, they don't have uim [07:48] which surprises me a bit [07:48] Yagisan: so what IM are you using? Anthy? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] minghua: right now uim, I tried scim on breezy, but it didn't work [07:49] minghua: uim-anthy [07:49] Yagisan: okay, then use the scim-anthy in ubuntu-ja, you should feel at home [07:49] minghua: yourself ? [07:49] Yagisan: no I don't speak Japanese at all :-) I use scim-pinyin [07:50] minghua: honestly, as long as the IM is consistent in Gnome, KDE, and the console, I don't care what I use [07:50] minghua: my goal is to set it up as easy as the Win2K IM [07:50] minghua: which is what my users compare it too === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] minghua: are you using breezys scim ? [07:53] Yagisan: no, I still use hoary [07:54] and a dapper chroot if that matters [07:55] Yagisan: you are probably going to be disappointed when you find out that scim doesn't work in console [07:56] IMO the IMs in linux still have a long way to go compared with Win2K IM [07:57] minghua: hmm, it may be hard to do this then " cd projects//my_packages" [07:57] Yagisan: do it in an X terminal :-) [07:58] minghua: that probably reads something like sheep for you doesn't it ? [07:59] in Chinese that's goat-something [08:00] minghua: cool, you are the first Chinese speaker that has read that back as goat to me :) [08:00] I can only recognize the kanjis, not the hiraganas [08:00] minghua: It's Mr Goat :) or in romaji Yagisan [08:01] so "Yagi" is goat, I see [08:02] minghua: yep, I must have reminded my wife of one [08:02] In chinese goat and sheep are quite similar, not much metapohric meanings === schweeb [n=chris@ubuntu/member/schweeb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:03] minghua: that may explain why people say it is "mountain sheep" [08:03] but I suppose it's a little bit different in English, although I'm not exactly how [08:04] minghua: Well, apparently I act somewhat like one, and when unshaven look like one [08:04] Yagisan: Ha. So you didn't know "mountain sheep" means "goat"? [08:06] minghua: maybe I'm a literal person, but mountain sheep look different to goats [08:06] Yagisan: the character "" is literally "mountain", both in Chinese and Japanese (I believe) [08:07] minghua: yes it is [08:07] to be fair, though, "" means not only sheep in Chinese [08:07] minghua: yes, but by itself, that is hitsuji - sheep [08:08] minghua: or as I refer to them - lamb cutlets :-P [08:08] it's just the *cough* stupid *cough* English has a word for each gender for animals :-P [08:09] ah, you reminded me, add a new word for each type of meat, too [08:09] minghua: hey, some languages use different words depending on if the speaker is male or female [08:10] Yagisan: that I have no problem with, but English is not a language with gender after all [08:10] minghua: apparently my Japanese sounds like a woman Japanese, I wonder why O:-) [08:12] minghua: so would you like lamb or mutton, when you visit the sheep and goat farm. Avoid the rams, and pat the ewes :) [08:13] Ouch! Apparently my vocabulary isn't that great either === minghua go look up mutton and ewe [08:13] minghua: mutton is meat from an old sheep [08:13] minghua: ewe is a female sheep [08:14] argh [08:14] minghua: sorry - I tried to see how many different words I could find for essentially the same thing [08:14] Yagisan: thanks. [08:14] more library name changes - ANOTHER cxx transition [08:15] (thankfully it's nowhere as invasive) [08:15] oh whew, this is the d-d-a mail :-) [08:15] at least this time it will be synchronous with debian [08:16] yeah === Yagisan is still waiting for the mirror of ubuntu-ja source repo [08:18] I wonder how long will it take to have the new gcc build on all Debian arches [08:19] back soon - going out shopping === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Victor [n=jianggw@210.76.122.28] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] what is the difference between 'ubuntu maintainers' ,'ubuntu developer' and 'ubuntu members'? === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] ??? [08:37] Victor, ubuntu members are people who have been approved by the community council. To become a member, you must simply do something for Ubuntu or be active int eh community. You don't need to be a developer [08:37] Is the leader of each team appointed by community council or self-appointed? [08:37] If want to be a member,membership need to be appointed. maintainers need to be appointed,too? [08:38] no idea [08:38] main and universe uploaders need to be approved by the Technical board [08:38] they must already be ubuntu memebers [08:40] You mean other maintainer except main and universe uploaders need not to be approved? [08:41] those are the only maintainers === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] not that main also means you can upload to restricted and universe also means multiverse [08:42] s/not/note [08:42] Victor: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU will tell you about how to become a member. [08:43] what does 's/not/note' mean? [08:43] I made a typing mistake [08:43] :) [08:43] it means replace "not" with "note" [08:44] the context is s(earch for)/(a string)/(and replace it with this string) [08:44] vi syntax. [08:45] I see.thanks [08:45] I would rather call it regex :-) [08:46] It's sed :) [08:46] s#regex#regular expression# # this is a comment [08:46] Who is the chairman to Community Council now?sabdfl? [08:46] yes === mr-russ goes hunting for a place to whine about the https problems. [08:51] How many kinds of role are there in our community?maintainer,developer,and ...... [08:51] "you can be anything you want to be" [08:52] crimsun: indeed [08:54] Yes.What I want to know is roles defined clearly by community.For example,maintainer,developer and so on.And the two roles need to be appointed. === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] that is to say,both developer and maintainer ,the two role,need to be appointed by Technical board? [08:59] yep === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] anybody want to revu thunar? thanks [09:05] in the webpage http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/techboard,I find: Appointments to the board are made by Mark Shuttleworth subject to confirmation by a vote amongst the maintainers. developers couldn't vote? [09:07] i beleive its all members [09:07] but not sure [09:09] nope. it's everyone in the launchpad group ubuntu-dev [09:09] for cc it's ubuntu-members [09:11] is there a difference between maintainer and developer in this case? [09:11] Victor: there's a pretty clear list on the wiki [09:13] schweeb:Would you please tell me the detailed link? [09:13] Nafallo:I want to know,too. :) === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:13] what's the subject? who is in each team? [09:14] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-[members,dev] [09:14] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/ read all the subpages... it usually tells you who can vote for what, etc... [09:14] and TB approval includes all members, afaik [09:15] maintainer = packager, developer = codemonkey. in that case there is no diffrence in Ubuntu AFAIK. === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] the term "developer" may be more aimed at maintainers for main, those who affect main [09:15] schweeb: no, -dev. CC includes all members. === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] ahh [09:16] that's core developers [09:16] not developers :-) [09:16] launchpad makes this distinction. [09:16] really should just be "member" shouldnt it? [09:16] because ubuntu members are generallyu such people [09:16] that contribute [09:17] what should just be "member"? [09:17] hi Nafallo [09:17] morning slomo :-) [09:18] Nafallo: did you compile 2.6.15 by hand already? :P [09:18] slomo: naah, I'm lazy. [09:18] thought you knew that? ;-) [09:19] sure [09:19] btw, do you want something new to package? [09:19] against your lazyness :P [09:19] not now. I got load on the system ;-). === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] Nafallo, is the nvidia-cg-toolkit already in Dapper universe? [09:20] after those DVD-Rs are about I may :-) [09:20] in the webpage http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/council,it wrote:The Chairman of the Community Council is yet to be determined.Isn't sabdfl our chairman? [09:20] W: Unable to locate package nvidia-cg-toolkit [09:20] E: No packages found [09:21] Hrm.. We talked yesterday and you said you built ogre-1.0.5, but I'm pretty sure the cg toolkit is a dependancy [09:21] I'm pretty sure it is not :-) [09:22] What options did you use to configure the build for ogre? [09:22] janimo: getting there eventually, just need to finish office stuff [09:22] bll [09:22] bbl [09:23] same as debian [09:23] http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/ogre [09:25] I can't see on that page what options are used. [09:25] nope, but you download the .diff.gz [09:26] (diff, our changes against the tarball) [09:26] crimsun, ok thanks [09:27] just maybe others want to contrib as we need 2 votes [09:27] the tarball is the original source for ogre? [09:27] yes [09:27] k [09:28] Bleh, I stand corrected [09:29] Now to hope and pray it gets backported soon =) === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === th1nk [n=unknown@dslb-084-061-207-238.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] hi === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonio__ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] ajmitch_: you around ? [10:43] \sh: hi [10:43] I saw you started working on some tools for motu [10:43] \sh and siretart and bmonty_laptop were working on it yesterday, I think [10:44] I think we should work on something bigger, including other scripts too [10:45] ajmitch_ said he already had some of those scripts himself, and he would release them [10:48] <\sh> lucas: when he's back home he will do it [10:48] hi folks [10:49] hi lucas [10:49] <\sh> moins siretart [10:49] lucas: have you already seen \sh and my motu-tools bzr repository? [10:49] huhu \sh! [10:50] yes, saw that [10:50] hi siretart, \sh and everybody else ;) [10:50] but I think other scripts are needed too [10:50] lucas: of course, just write them ;) [10:50] yes, I already did for some of them [10:51] but the problem is : maybe we did some synchronization ;) [10:51] <\sh> lucas: where are they so we can have a look? [10:52] not public yet [10:52] but I'll work on that today === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cain_ [n=cain@rrba-146-120-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:05] hellas [11:06] hi dholbach [11:06] hey slomo [11:07] salute daniel! [11:07] hi siretart [11:09] \sh: what did you use to write the ChangeLog in motu-tools ? [11:09] just plain text editor ? [11:10] <\sh> lucas: emacs [11:11] \sh: we could maintain this as a native debian package and use debian/changelog [11:11] <\sh> lucas: no [11:12] ? [11:12] <\sh> upstream and debian/dir will be different things... [11:12] they don't need to [11:12] why should they ? [11:12] <\sh> lucas: they will [11:14] <\sh> lucas: because we will provide some other tools for motus and mains which are not debian related === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] erm [11:14] for example ? [11:14] <\sh> lucas: some tools are launchpad related, others are using only dpkg or other tools, or smart which is also not debian related [11:15] well [11:15] <\sh> lucas: lpbugs.py has nothing to do with debian or ubuntu...it can be used for everything which is in launchpad [11:15] then maybe "motu-tools" is not a good name ;) [11:15] <\sh> lucas: well...think about dapper +1 [11:16] ? [11:16] I haven't read the whole thread about dapper+1 RM [11:16] <\sh> lucas: when there is smart coming...smart is the ultimative tool for AAAALLLL package based distros...even rpm based ones [11:16] <\sh> ,) [11:16] <\sh> moment... [11:17] <\sh> real work [11:17] ah [11:17] haven't heard of it === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === juliux [n=juliux@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] (herzi) dholbach: ping [11:28] juliux/herzi: pong [11:28] (herzi) dholbach: libgoffice-1-dev needs to depend on libgnomeoffice2.2-dev [11:28] (herzi) dholbach: libgoffice-1-dev needs to depend on libgnomeprint2.2-dev [11:29] right [11:29] can you fix it please? [11:30] don't worry, i'll look into it later === juliux [n=juliux@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === martink [n=martin@p54B390ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:44] <\sh> grmf [11:44] <\sh> I had to fight now with the county administration of northrhine westfalia..because of my blogweb.de === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-16-239.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] \sh, why? [11:59] Seveas: Police State Germany? [12:00] \sh: why so? what did they want from you? === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-120-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] <\sh> siretart: because my imprint wasn't correct, but this was only one thing to get hold of another guy, which has a blog about security and privacy worldwide..and someone called those guys anonymously to denunciate me and my friend [12:19] <\sh> oh sivang i mean === zyga_mini [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] <\sh> actually I asked those guys, if we have again the 3rd reich [12:20] hello folks [12:21] can someone tell me where the gpl shortened version for the copyright file is located? [12:21] in the large version of the GPL :) [12:21] oh wait [12:22] I remember seeing a section of whats needed to be added because the license is included with ubuntu [12:22] like not the whole version but just some paragraphs [12:22] /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/licenses/gpl [12:23] thanks :) === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === martink [n=martin@p54B390ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === markuman [n=supermar@p50925542.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] that strace script thats in the debian maintainers guide those deps are build deps only right? [12:48] StrikeForce: hm? [12:49] dholbach: do you know the one I'm talking about? [12:49] no, i'm absolutely not sure, what you're talking about :) [12:49] dholbach, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-copyright [12:49] sorry :) [12:50] the 2nd bunch of code is the strace script it 'finds' deps [12:50] however some of those deps from what I can see are in the base ubuntu and kubuntu packages === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] \sh and others: I've added my scripts to motu-tools [01:02] see http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ [01:02] (you can bzr branch/merge too) [01:05] example output for ruby packages here : [01:05] http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/du-versions-ruby.html [01:06] <\sh> uh [01:06] <\sh> why ruby...why not python :) [01:07] lucas: how does your script get the packages to look at? i.e. in this case the ruby ones? i want such thing for the mono stuff :P [01:07] because I'm in MOTURuby ;) [01:07] see the first url [01:07] pkglist_from_rdepends.bash [01:08] lucas: thanks :) good work [01:08] sladen: README.lucas details the steps to get to the HTML output [01:09] lucas: i'm not sladen :P [01:10] sorry [01:10] np :) [01:10] that happens to everybody ;) [01:11] lucas: i'll test it with mono stuff this evening and report any problems to you ;) [01:11] there's a problem with dpkg --compareversions [01:12] hm? [01:12] file:///home/nussbaum/motu-tools/du-versions-ruby.html [01:12] see alexandria in the output ? [01:12] mom [01:12] I'll try to fix this now [01:12] oh [01:13] btw, please add a link to the debian qa page [01:13] packages.qa.debian.org [01:13] # TODO/Bugs [01:13] # - improve rendering [01:13] # - add links to all relevant sources of info [01:13] makes work much easier :) [01:13] ;) [01:13] lol [01:13] ok =) [01:16] siretart: oh no... marillat made the mplayer versioning wrong :( 1.0-pre7cvsxxxxxxxx is treated greater than 1.0 by dpkg.... [01:17] siretart: bbl === Danten [n=danten@h215n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] dholbach, did you have a look at that strace? [01:25] StrikeForce: looks interesting [01:25] StrikeForce: i usually just have a look at configure.{ac,in} [01:25] StrikeForce: and build it in pbuilder, so i can make sure, that it builds in a clean environment [01:25] my concern is running deps? [01:26] although I don't think there are any [01:26] since I can find 0 documentation on it [01:26] running deps? [01:26] depends [01:26] you mean dependencies instead of build-dependencies [01:26] ah right [01:26] yep [01:26] sorry [01:26] well usually, you just "expand" them [01:26] yep ok [01:26] {shlibs:Depends} gives you those [01:26] yep [01:26] I ahve that already :) [01:27] (in a case, where you compile a C or C++ package) [01:27] but it listed like gcc4 [01:27] i shouldnt think so [01:27] but yeah I'll try and cut it short [01:27] it explicitly listed gcc4 afterwards? [01:27] as a dependency? [01:27] not for depends [01:28] Its ok I'm confusing the situation [01:28] build-essential should give you a c compiler, so you wouldnt need it as a build-dep [01:28] yep [01:28] right [01:28] normally you just need {shlibs:Depends}, {python:Depends} or {perl:Depends} [01:28] how would I find using dpkg what is listed as deps of build-deps [01:28] somtimes {misc:Depends} [01:29] e.g. build-essentials deps [01:29] so I /might/ not need to add to many deps [01:29] apt-cache show build-essential | grpe Depends? [01:29] grep [01:29] sorry [01:29] yep no worries thanks [01:29] :) [01:29] should have it uploaded later [01:30] btw how long usually does it take to get a package checked out? [01:30] what's up with unrar-nonfree? === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60712.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] slomo: any other urls to include on the report page ? === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F984.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/du-versions-ruby.html [02:05] I added some links and changed the color so it's easier to read === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] Nafallo: many thanks :) === herzi [n=herzi@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] zakame: np :-) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] Do you think it would be ok to add an override for this error W: cue2toc: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly [02:23] what's the description synopsis? [02:23] zakame, A program that will convert CUE files to cdrdao's TOC format. [02:24] StrikeForce: ah :) just remove the `A program that will' part and it will fit just fine :) [02:24] kk :) === th1nk [n=unknown@dslb-084-061-207-238.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-120-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] zakame, unfortunately the error is still there from lintian [02:26] zakame, Description: convert CUE files to cdrdao's TOC format [02:27] StrikeForce: have you rebuilt? [02:27] nm [02:27] yeah === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] but I had a '.' at the end [02:27] took that away and it works now [02:27] ah, that's another one [02:27] all fine now [02:28] wtg :) [02:28] and uploaded now package 3 done :) [02:29] now all I have to do is coerce someone into checking em :) [02:29] to revu? === zakame is reminded to rebuild libmemcache [02:31] yep === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] hi ogra === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty_ [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] zakame, I'm trying to compile a program and it can't find gtk2? [02:45] StrikeForce: do you have libgtk2.0-dev installed? [02:46] doh not the dev package :( [02:46] its ok I'll install now === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] no prob :) [02:47] thanks for the help :) [02:49] now, my turn to pose a q: if I see a `package-name-doesnt-match-sonames' error for a package which is not a lib pkg, should I fix this? === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61F38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] Are you trying to compile FlowDesigner by any chance? [02:52] nope, this is for gpsd [02:52] lol okay [02:52] I get the same error with FlowDesigner [02:54] let me look at the diff [02:55] Kyral: is this a NEW package? [02:55] yah [02:56] in REVU [02:57] ok === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.212.114.228.65.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] hi folks [02:59] heya sistpoty :) [03:00] whee minor breakage :D [03:00] just uploaded libmemcache to revu, can any motu please check it? :) [03:03] siretart: ping, can you re-add my updated key to the revu keyring? :) [03:04] zakame: which keyid? [03:04] huhu siretart [03:05] huhu sistpoty [03:05] sistpoty: if you look in my public html, I have created a MergeWebTool branch, there is a oneline to be merged ;) [03:05] hplip-base is broken. Depending on 0.9.5-2ubuntu2 of hplip-data, hplip-data is at 0.9.6-1ubuntu1 [03:05] siretart: will check [03:05] siretart: 0xFA53851D . I added a new uid for my @ubuntu.com address, and I want to use that now for the revu login [03:06] zakame: then I don't need to do anything [03:06] zakame: just upload something with that emailadress in the Changed-By field (email in debian/changelog) [03:06] siretart: bzr merge ? or bzr pull ? [03:06] sistpoty: merge [03:06] siretart: k, thx [03:06] works also over http, btw [03:07] siretart: just did, but when I try to login with it, fails... when trying to recover, I could not get the gpg encrypted output [03:08] hm [03:08] zakame: okay, I just updated your key, retry please [03:08] siretart: there, got the pgp message, thanks :) [03:09] okay :) [03:10] .oO( one more reason to work more on revu2, ... I'm still working on the infrastructure... ) [03:10] hehe :) salamat :D [03:11] siretart: merged your change and also pulled to MoM ;) [03:11] sistpoty: :) [03:12] sistpoty: have you/we solved the problem with having to reload apache on file changes? [03:12] siretart: no, unfortunately I haven't :( (i just restarted apache2) [03:14] okay === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] hmm where can I read more on dpatch? tseng's site doesn't seem to be up [03:32] zakame: look at packages already using dpatch [03:34] siretart: ok :) [03:38] question about MOTU management : when a package is once uploaded with an ubuntu-specific version number ("ubuntu1" appended to the version string), a changelog entry is added. [03:38] then, when all the ubuntu-specific changes are merged into debian, we could use the debian package directly in ubuntu [03:38] of course [03:38] but since we have to keep that changelog entry, we still need to have that ubuntu-specific version number [03:39] right ? [03:39] or the "ubuntu1" part can be dropped during the upload after we resynchronize with debian ? [03:40] (but we loose the changelog entry then) [03:41] lucas: if we can use the debian version, we take it (and thus loose the ubuntu-changelog-entry). Otherwise we'd need to merge these packages next time again [03:42] lucas: this means: if the debian maintainer chooses not to take our ubuntu changelog entrys, we accept that [03:42] ok [03:42] lucas: is your motu-tools repository/package/whatever publicy viewable? [03:43] siretart: yes, I sent a mail to ubuntu-devel about it [03:43] http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ [03:43] what about this bug then : [03:43] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alexandria/+bug/4052 [03:43] Malone bug #4052: alexandria: merge new debian version Fix req. for: alexandria (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Fixed http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4052 [03:44] \sh said it was ok to use the debian package directly [03:44] but in the archive, there's an ubuntu-specific version [03:45] lucas: is http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ an bzr archive? [03:45] yes [03:45] you can bzr branch it [03:46] strange. then i have a local config problem [03:46] bzr: ERROR: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden [03:46] ha [03:46] :) [03:46] should be fixed now [03:49] siretart, for some reason I can't find cue2toc in REVU even though I uploaded it? [03:49] lucas: works now, thanks [03:49] StrikeForce: checking [03:49] thanks :) [03:49] StrikeForce: because you did an binary upload, which is useless for revu [03:50] StrikeForce: build your package via dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot [03:50] StrikeForce: please do sourceful uploads only (and always with full source, i.e. with orig.tar.gz) [03:50] siretart, hmmm I'm sure I did that the right way :( [03:50] ok I'll re-do my apologies [03:50] siretart: I notice some of the uploads also contain both source and binary uploads... [03:51] zakame: I changed process_uploads.py to ignore non sourceful changes files [03:52] siretart: cool :) === zyga_mini [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [03:52] I need to work on something to send ACCEPTED/REJECTED emails [03:52] so once thats done I just dput the changes file? [03:52] because you'll build it up on the server? [03:52] StrikeForce: the *_source.changes file, yes [03:52] NOT the *_i386.changes file. [03:53] siretart, ok I'll do that now if I've stuffed up give us a yell :) === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] siretart, did you want me to re-upload my previous packages that haven't been approved in that format? [03:56] StrikeForce: yes, I deleted your old upload, since it did not include full source [03:57] siretart, ok but I'm referring to rufus and also browser-bookmark-menu as well though [03:57] didn't check that yet, mom [03:58] StrikeForce: they include fill source as well as binaries. thats not that bad. no need to reupload. [03:58] siretart, ok thanks I'll remember that for the future thanks for the heads up :) [03:58] StrikeForce: cheers! :) [04:06] I signed the code of conduct through launchpad however it says the key is not registered with launchpad click this link yet the link is dead? [04:15] slomo: ping, can you please check Malone #4089, I remember you told me that gpsd can't be synced [04:15] Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] wb ajmitch === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:22] hello ajmitch :) [04:25] Any motu here who has time to review something on revu? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=931) [04:26] <\sh> siretart: grmpf [04:27] <\sh> siretart: u uploaded alexandria with ubuntu dude.... === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F984.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] \sh: sorry? === herzi [n=herzi@p54B14606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dereks- [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] <\sh> siretart: debian dropped everything :) [04:48] <\sh> doesn't matter [04:48] <\sh> FRESH HOT BEATYFUL !!! 300 i386 Breezy CDs just hit ISH [04:48] <\sh> 50 PPC and 50 AMD [04:48] <\sh> as well [04:49] <\sh> s/BEATYFUL/BEAUTYFUL/ [04:49] 300ish ;) [04:50] <\sh> hehe...I just spread Ubuntu Breezy to all the people here... [04:50] <\sh> even management wants to have breezy on their laptop (at least on of our managers) [04:51] slomo, Hi, yerteday I fix my package (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=925), tell me if you detect some other error. [04:51] \sh: cool! === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A63096.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] siretart: Please build libloki (#931) in revu, thanks [04:56] How do I package python stuff? [04:57] Do I need a python-sth deb that depends on a python2.4-sth deb with the code? [04:57] Or can I get away with one python-sth deb with the code? [04:59] <\sh> hunger: the first arrangement...a default package with deps on python2.4 [04:59] <\sh> hunger: the first arrangement...a default package with deps on python2.4-smt [04:59] <\sh> aeh [04:59] <\sh> sth [04:59] <\sh> whatever [04:59] \sh: Thanks. [05:00] \sh: Do I need to do "Provides" magic? [05:00] hmmm, is pbbuttonsd-dev missing? === hunger_ heads opf adding one more deb to his growing list of xen debs:-) === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-16-239.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] \sh: How do I handle python-sthdepending on python-sth2? [05:04] \sh: python-sth depends on python2.4-sth and python-sth2 and python-sth2 depending on python2.4-sth2? [05:04] Does the python2.4-sth dep need to depend on python2.4-sth2? [05:11] <\sh> hunger_: aeh [05:12] <\sh> hunger_: is python2.4-sth2 replacing/conflicting python2.4-sth? [05:12] \sh: No. [05:12] <\sh> or other way to ask...what is the difference between sth and sth2? [05:12] One is the lowlevel C bindingish stuff and the other the python magic build around it. === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-16-239.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] \sh: I had to split them apart to stop lintian complaining:-( === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] <\sh> hunger_: hum? [05:15] \sh: lintian didn't like having binaries in a python archive or so I understood the message it gave. === mr-russ [n=mr-russ@CPE-203-45-4-40.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] <\sh> hunger_: binaries? [05:17] \sh: Some wrapper C-code to turn C libs into proper python citizens. [05:17] \sh: Needs python-dev and the C lib dev stuff to build and exports some C functions from those libs to python apps. === hunger_ does not speak python, so he is not sure about what that stuff actually does. [05:18] <\sh> hunger_: so it's not like python-apt e.g. where the .so is build and this is the interface to python? === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F984.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] <\sh> hunger_: which software are u talking about? lets have a look [05:19] \sh: There is that part, but there is a whole layer of python functionality build atop of. [05:19] \sh: Xen. [05:19] \sh: Check revu... the version there is sopmewhat outdated, but has python-xen and python-xen-lowlevel. [05:20] lfittl: please ask someone else, I'm currently at work and cannot upload [05:20] \sh: ... which I now need to rename to python2.4-* with some python-* added. [05:20] Hi siretart. [05:20] huhu hunger_ [05:21] siretart: Packaging would be soooo easy without having to follow that damn policy! ;-) [05:21] and the system would be so trashy, too ;) [05:21] hunger_: autodeb :) [05:21] <\sh> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=909 [05:22] <\sh> ? [05:22] \sh: Sounds about right... [05:22] \sh: Yes, that's it! [05:23] \sh: I am wondering about the python-xen and python-xen-lowlevel debs right now. [05:24] dholbach, switching the universe o autodeb ? :) [05:24] hunger_: I know ;) [05:24] ogra: yeah, i start uploading in some minutes [05:24] hunger_: but it is way easier to maintain conforming packages. and thats what we are about: maintenance and support for packages [05:24] cool [05:24] <\sh> hunger_: if u build http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/xen-0511131225/xen-3.0pre20051113/tools/python/ manually via setup.py...the setup.py should create an .so interface file...which is actually the python class [05:25] dholbach: If upstream had a decent build system things would be somewhat easier. [05:25] what is autodeb? [05:25] siretart: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Autodeb [05:25] siretart, the suck ... [05:25] <\sh> hunger_: and this .so file u put into /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ directly [05:25] hunger_: send upstream a patch :) [05:25] (sorry for my french) [05:25] fear [05:25] heh [05:25] dholbach: I already send 5 of them upsteam just to fix "make clean" [05:25] <\sh> hunger_: check apt-get source python-apt [05:26] omg [05:26] this is designed to break, is it? [05:26] dholbach: I even volunteered to rewrite the complete buildsystem a while back... but they are not interessted. [05:26] <\sh> if u have to fix make clean from upstream....DON'T USE IT...they actually don't know what they're doing ;) [05:26] dholbach: Next step: Find out why "make distclean" creates files (which forces me to run make clean after make distclean to get rid of them again!) [05:27] at least you seem to have fun :) [05:27] <\sh> "make clean\n -> make: running rm -Rvf / [05:27] <\sh> *oops" [05:27] and incredible pain patching broken upstream build systems :) === siretart is just having a lab machine autoinstalled with breezy :) === ryu [n=chris@p5487E1DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] \sh: Building the stuff is not the problem... How do I have to do the dependencies? [05:29] <\sh> hunger_: u should have only one package at all....with the meta package python-xen which depends on python2.4-xen [05:29] <\sh> u will have two... [05:30] <\sh> hunger_: setup.py normally deals as well with C interfaces for python classes [05:30] \sh: lintian didn't like me throwing both of them into one deb. [05:30] <\sh> and builds them properly...that's why I asked if u ever builded python-xen manually [05:30] <\sh> hunger_: check python-apt [05:30] \sh: I will once I get proper net access:-( [05:36] <\sh> hunger_: are u using dh_python? [05:36] \sh: Yes. [05:37] <\sh> hunger_: but not in binary-indep === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] \sh: There is no pyhon stuff build in indep. [05:37] <\sh> oh sorry.. === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F984.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] \sh: I removed python*-xen-lowlevel now. Let's see what lintian has to say about this change. [05:39] lucas: MoM page if existing maybe [05:39] That makes all the python code arch dependent of course. [05:40] <\sh> hunger_: thats why u should use indep :) [05:40] <\sh> and dep [05:40] slomo: does the fact that it exists (or not) add a useful information ? [05:40] \sh: I can't since the .so files aren't. [05:40] it isn't easy to check that MoM pages exist [05:41] lucas: hmm, don't show if it exists or not... but give a link to it if it exists ;) check for a 404 ;) === selinium_ [n=selinium@80-193-16-239.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] <\sh> hunger_: believe me :) [05:42] <\sh> hunger_: check python-apt...they are doing it just like this...read the rules file :) [05:42] \sh: I will as soon as I get a net connection again. [05:42] \sh: I'll shut up now till I did:-) [05:43] slomo: mmh [05:43] <\sh> hunger_: so before u try and break something...check first :) [05:43] when there are lots of pkgs, it won't be fast [05:43] lucas: hmm, ok, then don't do it :) [05:44] \sh: It is only my local stuff that I break. It is not as if I had users;-) [05:44] <\sh> lucas: what do u want to do? [05:44] <\sh> hunger_: ok...:) [05:44] OK, have to run. I might be back later! [05:44] \sh: see my mail on ubuntu-devel about motu-tools pkg [05:45] slomo: I'll add it to my todo list [05:46] ok, thanks... can you give me the url again? i get a mono list working then :) [05:51] <\sh> lucas: i answered [05:52] slomo: http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ === shane__ [n=shane@rrcs-24-227-62-138.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] <\sh> ok... [05:54] <\sh> going home [05:54] <\sh> cu later [05:54] lucas: thanks === shane__ [n=shane@rrcs-24-227-62-138.se.biz.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [06:01] lucas: small cosmetical suggestion... add somewhere that apt-rdepends is needed :) [06:03] well that's why I was talking about a package ;) [06:05] ./debianubuntuversions.bash |./filterlist.bash <(./pkglist_from_rdepends.bash libruby1.8 |./binarytosource.bash) |./debianubuntuversions-list2html.rb > duv-ruby.html [06:05] slomo: use this and remplace libruby1.8 with what you need [06:06] lucas: already done... well, i'm waiting for the download to finish but otherwise it's fine ;) [06:06] ok [06:06] Now, generating mixed list... [06:06] uniq: Ungltige Option -- W [06:06] hmm [06:06] Ungltige Option == invalid option [06:07] mmh [06:07] $ uniq --version [06:07] uniq (coreutils) 5.2.1 [06:07] you aren't running ubuntu are you ? :-) [06:08] uniq (GNU coreutils) 5.93 [06:08] that's dapper ;) [06:09] -W, --check-fields=N [06:09] compare no more than N fields in lines [06:09] what is -W doing? [06:09] oh [06:09] it's -w now [06:09] no, that's --check-chars [06:09] oh no [06:09] there is no -W anymore :P [06:09] no --check-fields ?? [06:09] no [06:11] that's what I dislike in shell scripts [06:11] slomo, 2.93 is ancient ... [06:11] err 5.93 [06:11] you always end in a wall [06:11] ogra? [06:12] dpkg --compare-versions 5.93 lt 5.2.1 || echo true [06:12] ok, I'll rewrite it with awk [06:12] slomo, 5.2.1 is the current version ... [06:12] ogra: err no... definitly not... look at the coreutils changelog [06:13] ogra: 5.2.1 is from jul, 5.93 from november [06:14] coreutils (5.2.1-2.1ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low [06:14] What you are seeing with the -W option in Debian is a distribution [06:14] specific patch to the code to provide that option and associated [06:14] functionality. It is not in the upstream GNU coreutils. [06:14] -- Charles Majola Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:50:31 +0000 [06:14] so ubuntu packaged 5.93 but dropped the patch [06:14] ogra: hum... [06:14] ogra: coreutils (5.93-2) unstable; urgency=low [06:14] ogra: -- Michael Stone Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:28:53 -0500 [06:14] that's mine [06:14] unstable [06:14] *giggle* [06:15] i only have dapper sources, no debian ones... [06:15] slomo, drop the debian sources then ;) [06:15] we have unstable also in packages synced from unstable [06:15] true [06:15] Accepted coreutils 5.93-2 (source) [06:16] Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:35:03 +0000 (GMT) (14:35 CET) [06:16] that's on dapper-changes [06:16] ah, yes === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] and charles merged the other packge yesterday it seems [06:16] hehe [06:17] communication breakdown ? [06:17] * Remove some ancient debian-specific patches [06:17] - install no longer calls strip with special options [06:17] - no more --reversible option to cat [06:17] - no more --first-eof option to paste [06:17] - no more field seperator option to uniq [06:17] in coreutils (5.93-1) unstable; urgency=low [06:17] (upload to debian) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] so I have to live with it [06:19] lucas: I love your new motu-tools scripts [06:19] I have been working on something like this for the MOTUScience team [06:20] LaserJock: thanks :-) [06:20] don't hesitate to send patches [06:20] I like the html output, that is what I have been struggling with, how to put the output in a good form === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@84.5.57.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] hello [06:21] ogra: "dpkg --compare-versions 5.93 lt 5.2.1 || echo true" <--- are you sure this is correct? shouldn't it be gt or &&? [06:21] awk 'BEGIN { s = "" } { if ($1 != s) { print $0 ; s = $1} }' [06:21] uniq in awk [06:21] with -W 1 [06:21] :-) [06:22] i will echo true if the operator is right [06:22] nearly readable [06:22] hi, anybody know why grace and grace6 are still labelled unassigned on revu's MoM page? [06:22] slomo, but i might be wrong ... [06:22] minghua: did you change their status to fixed? [06:23] I picked them up and filed malone bug according to the instructions [06:23] ogra: it will echo true if everything before failed afaik... that's what || is for [06:23] LaserJock: no, I left them as new [06:23] slomo, err, yes && would be more appropriate [06:24] minghua: nevermind, I was thinking you were asking about it not being in the "Done" list [06:24] but I did assign them to MOTU merge team [06:24] lucas: can you tell me when you've added it to your bzr branch? [06:24] slomo: just checking that it works [06:25] LaserJock: okay :-) I'll wait for more informed people to answer then [06:26] minghua: that's not hard to find ;-) === dereks- [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] Nafallo_away: kernel built at least on ppc :) we can start breaking our machines now ;) [06:27] slomo: you can bzr merge now [06:28] lucas: done :) [06:28] lucas: i need to remember you... you can do awk magic :) [06:28] ;) [06:30] hmm, my dapper pbuilder is broken... can someone verify this? [06:32] slomo, was this a silent offer to everyone here to get ssh access to your box for verification purpose ? :) [06:32] ogra: lol no... but does someone else have this problem? :P it can't find /etc/shadow for some reason [06:32] hmm, i didnt update mine for 2 days .... [06:33] slomo: same here [06:33] heh, so i'll keep away from updating :) [06:33] hehe... but i need the new openssl and libextractor :( [06:36] slomo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338976 [06:37] jamessan|work: thanks, i'll try it [06:38] lucas: filterlist fails... it lists gtk-engines-mono but shouldn't list it [06:39] ah [06:39] every other result is ok [06:39] can you put your input file and your filter list swhere ? [06:39] ogra: if you already have a basetgz built, it should be fine. I've only seen the problem when creating new ones [06:40] lucas: sure... but i expect it to be a problem with grepping for "mono" (which is in my input file) [06:40] ok, but I'm supposed to grep -w [06:41] (for words) [06:41] $ echo gtk-engines-mono |grep -w mono [06:41] gtk-engines-mono [06:41] ok [06:41] that's the problem [06:41] ok [06:42] "Word-constituent characters are [06:42] letters, digits, and the underscore." [06:42] one could argue about this :-) [06:42] hmm [06:42] and the '-' ;) [06:43] that's a pretty standard regexp definition of a 'word character' :) [06:43] mmh I'm not sure [06:43] word could be "anything but \s" [06:43] I don't think I've seen any other definition for \w [06:45] brb === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] who is Andreas Mussgiller? [07:05] siretart: thnx for uploading that theme === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] fyi, i got cegui_mk2 and ogre to build and they are awaiting review as well [07:12] I've reported a bug for a universe package, and provided a patch [07:12] To how the patch should be assigned ? [07:13] to whom* [07:13] arf [07:14] To whom the bug should be assigned ? [07:14] just leave it like it is, I guess? [07:14] Gloubiboulga: what is the number? [07:14] Gloubiboulga: most likely it should be assigned to MOTU [07:14] 4450 [07:14] unless you know a motu who wants to look at it [07:20] dholbach: creating an empty /etc/shadow with touch (running pbuilder login --save-after-login) solves it ;) [07:20] slomo: weird, i wonder what the real problem is [07:22] Gloubiboulga: that bug should be assigned to MOTU [07:25] ok bmonty_laptop thanks === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dereks- [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] slomo: yay! [07:51] slomo: (x2) [07:51] Nafallo: was only a give-back on ppc... don't know about the others ;) [07:52] succedded. [07:52] perfect... test it and tell me :) [07:52] hopefully my pbuilder will do the same in a bit ;-) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.46.163.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] why did you built it yourself? [07:57] ? [07:57] " hopefully my pbuilder will do the same in a bit ;-)" [07:58] yea. that grep /etc/shadow-thing... [07:58] oh [07:58] hmm [07:58] the kernel should go in :03, right? [07:59] hmm [07:59] it should be there already [07:59] NEW? [07:59] oh [07:59] probably [08:06] or even: ofcourse === Tonio__ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.194.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] re === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [n=hcauweli@ip-152.net-82-216-254.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] hello [08:30] hi herve [08:30] hi Tonio_ [08:30] re dholbach [08:31] dholbach: are we supposed to get an email when one package has been uploaded with success ? [08:31] yes [08:31] hum......... [08:32] and with failure too :-) [08:32] ktranslator and kinstaller have been uploaded and I didn't receive any mail... [08:32] but your email needs to be whitelisted by the archive admins [08:32] maybe that's the reason ;) [08:33] Nafallo: thanks for the help with the uploads [08:34] bmonty_laptop: no problem :-) [08:34] Nafallo: learned something new to look for with python packages :) [08:36] I fixed that one for \sh in another package not so long ago so... ;-) [08:37] either way, now I know another thing to check with python packages [08:38] :-) === ryu [n=chris@p5487FC39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] siretart: ping! [08:55] re === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F984.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@83.179.160.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirno [n=mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] lucas: did you fix it already? [09:20] fix what ? :-) [09:21] ah, the grep thing ? [09:21] yes [09:21] no, not yet [09:21] oh :( [09:21] ok, then i do some merges in the meantime :P === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] yay! syncs! === Danten [n=danten@h142n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-089-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] slomo: you can merge [09:36] ah [09:36] eh [09:36] wait 1 sec ;) [09:36] np :) [09:36] (why is rsync taking so long?) [09:36] i'm currently adjusting my procmail rules :P [09:39] rsync over ssh? [09:40] yeah [09:40] but it seems my server has some connections problems [09:41] http://www-id.imag.fr/~nussbaum/perso.html/motu-tools/ [09:41] you can merge from there [09:42] done... and doesn't help :( [09:42] you replaced filterlist.bash with filterlist.rb ? === aboe [n=aboe@tb-c-76ec.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] lol [09:43] no :) [09:43] works perfect :) [09:43] is there somebody from xfce-team?? [09:43] because I got a question? [09:44] lucas: is it normal that the html generator needs long [09:44] did you give him the input file on stdin ? [09:44] and what is it outputting on stdout ? === aboe [n=aboe@tb-c-76ec.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["leaving] [09:45] lucas: ok, not stdin ;) [09:46] hmm, i don't like the colours ;) [09:46] feel free to submit a patch [09:46] it's easy to change : the CSS is in the HTML file [09:47] yes, i know :) but i would choose worse colours... choosing colours for something is no job for me [09:47] heh [09:48] but i like it :) i'll make a cronjob out of it :) === xhaker banhoca [09:52] it still needs a lot of work [09:53] mm xkb borkage === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] hi dholbach :-) [09:58] re :) [10:01] dholbach: is 'gnome-games' known-broken on Dapper atm? Invoking most of the binaries from it in /usr/games/ result in the GTK+ setuid/setgid error message. [10:03] Nafallo: do you mind taking a look at Malone #4443? [10:03] Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found [10:03] would anyone happen to have the time to review a package(cegui_mk2 and/or ogre, in revu)? [10:03] hi again [10:03] does anyone here have a breezy pbuilder ? [10:05] Tonio_: I don't have one, but it is fairly easy to make for yourself [10:05] bmonty_laptop: I know, I just don't to build one for just one package ;) [10:06] I have a dapper one and that's enough [10:06] heh [10:06] I have just build a source package for kaffeine 0.7.1 [10:06] and I'd like to test to see if it is more stable [10:07] but anyway, I'll built one ;) === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-16-239.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] bmonty_laptop: sure, if you base the debdiff on the debian package :-) === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] np :) [10:11] thanx :-) [10:12] I hate multiple packages [10:13] is there any web site where I could find help to build one ? [10:16] 506 merges left :) [10:17] rbelem__: ping? [10:18] Nafallo: done === xhaker back! [10:20] nice :-) [10:22] Nafallo: I'm going to be working on some more merges...you want me to tell you here or do you want to just look for the emails from malone? [10:23] crimsun: erm... new to me, will have a look [10:23] bmonty_laptop: I look for e-mails tomorrow morning. the plan now is to hit the bed as soon as all my syncs and merges are built :-) [10:23] dholbach: no worries, I can live with gnometris for a while :-). Thanks regardless. [10:23] without [10:23] Nafallo: ok, good night then! [10:24] thanx :-) [10:24] thanks for your help === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-16-239.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.212.114.231.221.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:37] dnnrjrjr === anavim [n=avavim@nat1.supportsoft.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty2 [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.151.195.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] why would a package not have a "Section:" ? [10:55] nighty night! [10:56] LaserJock: the binary or source one? [10:56] source [10:56] nigght all [10:56] LaserJock: no idea ;) [10:57] hmm, I get that there are 12 source packages in Ubuntu that don't have "Source:" [10:57] but in Debian it is fine [10:57] hi slomo [10:57] slomo: argl... elmo was faster with syncing hmake and haddock than i with ghc6 *g* [10:58] as expected ;) [10:58] hehe [10:58] slomo: there where (are?) some cabal-issues with the new ghc6... I'm testing rebuilt packages right now *hope* === sanpera [n=sanpera@wls-21-226-196-65.tls.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Cimmerian [n=crom@80.239.71.231] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] were even [10:59] yes? === dereks- [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dereks- [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === sistpoty2 [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.156.206.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] hm if people cant use dpatch w/o my blog being up there is a problem [11:21] tseng: hm? [11:23] 08:28 #ubuntu-motu: < zakame> hmm where can I read more on dpatch? tseng's site [11:23] doesn't seem to be up [11:24] at least it shows you that you're important :) [11:25] hah, right === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A63D49.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anavim [n=avavim@nat1.supportsoft.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"]