[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: mateedit uploaded
[01:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: rocking
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I had to patch the source, because of a non include .h file
[01:28] <Tonio_> I sent the patch to the upstream
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: strange that he released the sources like this....... I can't understand how it could compile correctly
[01:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: it'll be gcc 4
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: means ?
[01:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: gcc 4 is more strict in the C++ is accepts
[01:33] <Riddell> than gcc 3
[01:33] <Tonio_> okay
[01:33] <Riddell> we had to fix a tonne of stuff for KDE to compile
[01:34] <Tonio_> but even with gcc3, how could it compile if a .h declaring a class is not included ?
[01:34] <Riddell> it'll be included somewhere else
[01:35] <Tonio_> okay
[01:35] <Tonio_> gcc3 ignoring the error and the file included after, I see
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: anyway, it is patched, it works, and the upstream is informed ;)
[03:30] <mae> hello
[03:30] <mae> ye scurvy dogs
[03:33] <Riddell> hello mae 
[03:33] <mae> hello!
[03:33] <mae> is there any plans of adding kubuntu to the shipit system for dapper?
[03:34] <Riddell> mae: yes, if we get a live installer working
[03:34] <mae> ah
[03:36] <mae> so
[03:36] <mae> whats the word -- whats the wicked cool shit that will get in dapper
[03:38] <Riddell> ?
[04:10] <Riddell> mornfall: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013048.html
[04:28] <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh that looks nifty, wheres the kde version? ;)
[08:48] <mornfall> Lathiat: wherever you put it? :)
[08:53] <Lathiat> mornfall: ;)
[12:50] <pef> hello
[12:51] <Riddell> hi pef 
[12:52] <pef> hello Jonathan, I'm working on kwallet support for Konversation, that's not so easy ;)
[12:52] <Riddell> pef: cool.  what's the difficulty?
[12:55] <pef> Riddell: not because of the code, but because of the "policy", should I use it here or not, if not available store passwords plaintext, etc
[12:57] <Riddell> if it's not available just don't keep the passwords, else it's a security risk
[01:02] <pef> ok :)
[02:09] <Riddell> anyone know jpatrick's e-mail?
[02:26] <jjesse> Riddell: got your emails and will be following up w/ the today throughout work
[02:35] <Riddell> groovy
[03:03] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ping
[03:04] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: hi
[03:04] <jeroenvrp> hi
[03:05] <jeroenvrp> somehow I still receive this error/warning after updating/installing0 a package with apt-get (using Synaptic)\:
[03:05] <jeroenvrp> E: kdeedu-doc-html: subproces post-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 2 terug
[03:05] <jeroenvrp> E: kdepim-doc: subproces post-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 2 terug
[03:05] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: yeah, I havn't fixed that yet
[03:05] <jeroenvrp> ok
[03:05] <Riddell> I'll make sure to do so before uploading to dapper
[03:05] <jeroenvrp> so it is known
[03:06] <Riddell> mind and keep an eye on it for me
[03:06] <jeroenvrp> another question maybe you will know
[03:06] <jeroenvrp> or else someone else
[03:06] <jeroenvrp> is it possible to change the sources.list on the install ISO
[03:06] <jeroenvrp> ?
[03:06] <jeroenvrp> the one being installed
[03:06] <jeroenvrp> I have mounted the iso, but can't find it
[03:07] <Riddell> ?
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> or is there a webpage describing the install process?
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: is the ?, because you dont know or that you don't understand the question :-)
[03:09] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: I don't understand the question
[03:10] <jeroenvrp> ok again
[03:10] <jeroenvrp> after Kubuntu is installed, there is a sources.list without universe and multiverse enabled
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> I want to make sure it is enabled after installation
[03:16] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: edit sources.list then
[03:16] <jeroenvrp> what I mean is to it automatically during the installation (from CD)
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> so in other words, change the installation a little bit
[03:17] <Riddell> you can't
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> oh
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> and why is that?
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> is it a binary who takes care of that?
[03:17] <Riddell> it's the installer
[03:18] <Riddell> it doesn't have an edit option
[03:18] <jeroenvrp> ok, and you can't configure/customize that
[03:18] <jeroenvrp> ok
[03:18] <jeroenvrp> that's a shame, but ok :-)
[03:18] <jeroenvrp> thansk for you answer
[03:39] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I did a ugly hack and I solved the error I gave you
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> you want to know?
[03:40] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: sure
[03:40] <Riddell> jjesse: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/KubuntuFaq cool
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: allthough it still want to update kdepim-dev
[03:41] <jjesse> Riddell: awesome
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> it is doing that, but after that it still wants to update
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> anyhow
[03:42] <jeroenvrp> it was complaing about /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kmessedwords/.dhelp and /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdepim-apidocs/.dhelp that they doesn't exist
[03:42] <jeroenvrp> so I did a touch
[03:42] <jeroenvrp> that gives not an error anymore
[03:43] <jeroenvrp> allthough kdepim-dev installs, but still wants to be upgraded afterwards
[03:43] <jeroenvrp> but that is not a big problem
[03:44] <Riddell> yep, cool
[05:26] <jjesse> anyone having issues w/ mail to any *ubuntu mailing lists?
[05:42] <Riddell> jjesse: been working for me all day
[06:01] <Yann2> Riddell > ping
[06:01] <Riddell> Yann2: hi
[06:02] <Yann2> Riddell > the french meeting is in 3 hours, if you want to be there :)
[06:02] <Riddell> yes, havn't got a reply form kubuntuforums yet though
[06:17] <Verwilst> hrm, kaffeine still sucks donkey balls in kubuntu :(
[06:17] <Verwilst> now it segfaults when i try to play a movie
[06:19] <Verwilst> rah
[06:19] <Verwilst> dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.8-visuals_0.8.11-0unofficialubuntu5.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:19] <Verwilst>  poging tot overschrijven van `/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8/libgstgoom.so', wat ook in pakket gstreamer0.8-misc zit
[06:20] <Riddell> Verwilst: upgrading from what to what?
[06:20] <Verwilst> no upgrading
[06:20] <Verwilst> clean kubuntu install
[06:20] <Riddell> breezy?
[06:20] <Verwilst> yip
[06:21] <Riddell> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-visuals
[06:21] <Riddell> hmm, unofficial...
[06:23] <Verwilst> apt-get remove gstreamer0.8-plugins-unofficial ;)
[06:23] <Verwilst> deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ breezy main
[06:23] <Verwilst> probably this one, for w32codec
[06:23] <Verwilst> s
[06:26] <Verwilst> woohoow, plays
[06:28] <author-psi> Verwilst: nice rep :D
[06:28] <Verwilst> hehe
[06:32] <Verwilst> alright, video playing is approved! :d
[06:32] <Verwilst> opened some euh.. national geographic videos...
[06:32] <Verwilst> :d
[06:35] <Verwilst> grm but my konversation systray icon keeps flashing red whenever somebody says anything :p
[06:36] <Verwilst> there
[06:36] <Verwilst> perfect now
[06:40] <allee> Riddell: libk{ipi,exif} + c2 / c2a / none 
[06:40] <Riddell> allee: none please
[06:41] <allee> yeah I know your preference (I share it)
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> hey Riddell 
[06:41] <Diablo-D3> you said arts needs to be fixed, right?
[06:41] <allee> Riddell: Just to points that are pro 'c2' in kubuntu:
[06:42] <allee> kubuntu mini c++ is (I'm) sure_ quicker than debian
[06:43] <allee> so you can just sync with latest sid and be done (no changes in rdepending pkgs necessary)
[06:44] <Riddell> allee: mini c++?
[06:44] <allee> the communication ways in ubuntu are shorter, so less work to get a "" -> c2 in (debian annouce mentioned c2 -> c2a)
[06:44] <allee> the default mem allocator change in g++
[06:44] <Riddell> should be the same
[06:45] <allee> libkipi has also one ABI change pending so with next libkipi release we get rid of c2 for libkipi
[06:45] <Riddell> that's what I said
[06:46] <allee> Yeah, but in the mini c++ transition, there is no need to change it
[06:46] <allee> + now
[06:47] <Riddell> there wasn't a need to change it before
[06:48] <Riddell> so we may as well use the opportunity to change it back
[06:48] <allee> Well, summary  I can try to explain not necessary c2 -> "" rename to ftp-master in the changelog and (faster) ubuntu has to merge/sync by hand or you sync with debian sid ignoring diff (which adds the c2) and be done
[06:49] <allee> I assume ftp-master may not be happy to have 'unnecessary' NEW pkgs
[06:49] <Riddell> it's a c++ transition, they'll have to be happy
[06:49] <Riddell> they've already had this package unnecessarily
[06:51] <allee> You like it very clean. ;)  'k I'll will try
[06:55] <Riddell> binNMU sounds a bit evil
[06:56] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: hmm?
[06:57] <allee> Riddell: well, everything rdepending on kdelibs can AFAIU reuploaded unchanged and rebuild or just an automatic binary rebuild (I read that debian infrastructure makes this easy now)
[06:57] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: <Diablo-D3> you said arts needs to be fixed, right?
[06:57] <allee> I'll ask if something like that is planed for KDE apps
[06:57] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: mm hmm
[06:57] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: can you upload new version of arts? ;)
[06:57] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: to which?
[06:57] <Diablo-D3> to dapper.
[06:58] <Riddell> sorry, needs to wait on c++ transition
[06:58] <Riddell> tomorrow hopefully
[06:58] <Diablo-D3> in the mean time, I have to rebuild amarok
[06:59] <Diablo-D3> because it no longer functions correctly
[07:00] <Diablo-D3> well, after updating kde, anyways
[07:04] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: Im glad I have dsl
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> and now its done
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[07:21] <Diablo-D3> that didnt fix it
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> eventually I'll find which package is making amarok think there are no songs in the db
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: btw, is amarok 1.3.5 going to be added to dapper?
[07:34] <Diablo-D3> aaaaaah
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> I see whats going on
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> there is songs in my collection
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> but it doesnt recognize that songs Im playing are in the collection
[08:14] <Tonio_> hi
[08:26] <jjesse> hello Tonio_ 
[08:33] <Tonio_> yop
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> holy shit
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> I can press control on konq
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> and it shows all the ... um... key shortcut thingies
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> hotkeys or whatever
[09:56] <Riddell> have we ever heard of kalahad?
[09:57] <Diablo-D3> no we havent
[09:57] <Diablo-D3> is that a typo of galahad?
[09:57] <Diablo-D3> g... k... oh my.
[09:58] <Riddell> he's wanting to join kubuntu-team on launchpad
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> just to piss the gnomeites off
[10:00] <Riddell> that would annoy sensible KDE people too